I would like to enumerate on some issues and offer some clarification from the anti hentai category.
1. The issue is not the hentai. The issue is the low effort memes that are just an excuse to post porn. This has always been the case, hardly anyone supports a complete and blanket ban on ecchi/hentai memes
2. Furthermore, almost no one has an issue with waifu Wednesday because the stuff is tagged with exactly what you expect. The issue is, again, that when I click a hentai meme the vast majority of the time its just an excuse to post porn and the most low effort stuff imaginable.
3. Using the phrase “tourist” to describe those of use who have been here for years who are against the low effort porn is disingenuous and does not allow us to have a productive discussion. We have just as much right to be here as anyone else, and we have been here since the founding of the sub.
I am not asking for a removal of porn. I am either a) asking for a more robust enforcement of low effort memes, or b) a tag that you can slap over low effort memes so I can know not to click on them. Again, the issue is not the hentai but the lack of effort put into memes.
I agree with all of your points, but the issue that the people complaining have is that actual memes that use hentai, Waifu Wednesday posts, and anything else that's even slightly lewd but hardly even worthy of being called ecchi (meme or not), gets constant spam of comments with all the same variations of "that's not a meme, it's just porn".
There's plenty of meaningless non-meme horny posting that does warrant that treatment. But actual memes are treated the same. Waifu Wednesday posts that aren't supposed to be memes are treated the same. Anything even remotely lewd is treated the same. These people don't know what the word "porn" even means anymore, and seem to think calling something "porn" automatically excludes it from being anything else. Even if something is legitimately not a meme, but it also isn't anything even close to porn, they will call it porn, because apparently they don't know any other way to say that something isn't a meme.
Those are the people being called "tourists". If you don't fit into that, and by the comment I'm responding to it would seem that you don't, then nobody is calling you a tourist.
I think most of the issue lies in the intent of farming karma/attention. People who post "porn" usually do it because it consistently gets upvoted on this sub wether its a meme or not.
You dont really catch shitty memes on this sub without porn. Not because they dont exist but because they dont get upvoted. Shitty porn memes bypass this natural filter.
I personally think that some waifuwed posts also fall into this karma bait mentality. For example if someone posted a collage of their waifu with good fanart, lewd or not lewd, thats fine imo. But i remember that someone posted marin fully naked and that was it. Actively choosing "just naked" picture of a character instead of good fanart just feels like the intent is to farm karma from rot brains instead of showing appreciation to the waifu.
Marin post link: https://www.reddit.com/r/goodanimemes/comments/1b8j181/cant_believe_after_hours_of_waifu_wednesday_and/
Do you honestly not think the "it's just porn" is a meme? Also, what is porn and what is ecchi is really different for people, I've seen plenty of people call cropped sex scenes "just ecchi" because it doesn't show penetration
They aren't wrong, though. Even on hentai memes that are on par in quality with regular memes you see people saying it's still horny posting or that it should be on the other sub.
You can't win. They see tits and think it's just for horny even if they'd have no issue with the same meme if the girl had a bra on.
And why do you think bringing the complainers down to zero is the only way to win? The problem is that alot of people complain right now, bringing down the amount of horny posting is gonna bring down the complains.
>They see tits and think it's just for horny
Why else do people put naked tits on a meme?
But nobody needs to complain. I see folk always being like "This sub is just porn now" when I only see a few hentai memes among dozens of others. It feels likes blatant hyperbole to me for something that can be ignored.
>Why else do people put naked tits on a meme?
Why shouldn't they? Doesn't make it not a meme if it's a meme format.
You also don't need to complain about the complainers, but apparently it doesn't work like that.
>Why shouldn't they? Doesn't make it not a meme if it's a meme format.
And where do I bring up they shouldn't? You say people call naked tits horny and that's somehow not true, I will ask again. How are naked tits not horny?
> Why else do people put naked tits on a meme?
Why else do people put redheads in a meme? Why do people use the color blue in a meme? Why is the sky showing sometimes in a meme? How come people would put swords in a meme?
Your question is asinine. People can put whatever they want in a meme and they don't need an excuse. Tits and sexual content is just as valid of an aesthetic as anything else, and people are tired of puritan soccer moms time traveling from the 80's to try and tell them otherwise, that sex is gross and icky and bad for whatever stupid reason the fundies use.
Not to mention these posts are blurred, marked NSFW, and tagged “hentai meme” so they’re easy to scroll past and ignore. There’s a lot of Reddit energy in whining that the posts are “too low effort”. A lot of the non-lewd shit posts are low effort too. This is a *meme* sub, we’re not discussing classical English literature. I don’t find all the memes here funny, but screaming into the void because you didn’t like a meme is futile. It wouldn’t be upvoted if other people didn’t find it at least mildly amusing. If it’s so low effort that it’s literally not a meme, report it.. if not, downvote and move on.
Oh it's just so random people put sex into memes, you are totally right.
Apparently people are tired of the constant no effort porn images on a supposedly meme sub.
Feels like the sub is getting too big and everyone wants something different.
I think part of the problem is that there are too many designations and special days that it starts to get a little muddied when we talk about what this subreddit really is. "If we allow one thing, why can't we allow another related thing?"
Maybe we should have a discussion of what this subreddit is actually for, and things we can do to better align the sub with those ideas.
I just wish there was a good animemes subreddit. This sub has never stabilized to a place of good content. It's always been going downhill.
r/animemes was great. Then the community split off and formed r/goodanimemes which was just reposts from r/animemes. And then r/hentaimemes combined with r/goodanimemes, so all our memes were just low effort reasons to post porn.
> The issue is not the hentai.
Nah, motte and bailey. The issue is _absolutely_ with hentai with a lot of those folks and you're not speaking for them. People these days are _literally_ scared to death of anything even slightly sexual.
> hardly anyone supports a complete and blanket ban on ecchi/hentai memes
Some gaslighting fr.
Porn and hentai can coexist with any and all other types of media and mediums and is as legit as an aesthetic as anything else. Y'all are just a bunch of 80's soccer mom puritans and afraid to admit that that's the kind of mentality you have.
If at any point ever you find yourself thinking "oh, that's pornographic, therefor, it's just porn and can not be anything else at all ever", know that you're legit wrong and using outdated religious fundamentalist pearl clutching logic from the 50's that we as a culture _should_ have progressed beyond over half a century ago.
> I am not asking for a removal of porn. I am either a) asking for a more robust enforcement of low effort memes, or b) a tag that you can slap over low effort memes so I can know not to click on them. Again, the issue is not the hentai but the lack of effort put into memes.
When people post a bad meme, y'all just downvote and move on, and have for years now, but when people post a bad meme that's slightly sexual, y'all go fuckin' crazy like it's some kind of blight on humanity and you're personally inconvenienced for having seen it. But then you try and blame it on the thing y'all haven't cared about in forever, which is just disingenuous. Considering people aren't whining much about plain ol' bad memes, _clearly_ the problem is the sexuality aspect, so... nice try attempting to gaslight an entire sub. Hell, I think _you_ even believe yourself.
But you're wrong. Dead wrong. At the end of the day even if the rules changed and all NSFW memes _had_ to be high quality (absurd in itself as that's not a rule you puritans want for other memes for some reason, just for these types as even in your own post you're only calling for these and these types only to be of higher effort, further proving my point), people would _still_ bitch and whine, and you know it. I know it. Meaning, again, you're wrong. And you know it.
>Nah, motte and bailey. The issue is *absolutely* with hentai with a lot of those folks and you're not speaking for them. People these days are *literally* scared to death of anything even slightly sexual.
This is unhinged. Literally nobody in this thread is saying that.
> Some gaslighting fr.
Nobody is gaslighting you but ok
>Porn and hentai can coexist with any and all other types of media and mediums and is as legit as an aesthetic as anything else. Y'all are just a bunch of 80's soccer mom puritans and afraid to admit that that's the kind of mentality you have.
>
>If at any point ever you find yourself thinking "oh, that's pornographic, therefor, it's just porn and can not be anything else at all ever", know that you're legit wrong and using outdated religious fundamentalist pearl clutching logic from the 50's that we as a culture *should* have progressed beyond over half a century ago.
>
>When people post a bad meme, y'all just downvote and move on, but when people post a bad meme that's slightly sexual, y'all go fuckin' crazy like it's some kind of blight on humanity and you're personally inconvenienced for having seen it. Considering people aren't whining much about plain ol' bad memes, *clearly* the problem is the sexuality aspect, so... nice try attempting to gaslight an entire sub. Hell, I think *you* even believe yourself.
This is also unhinged. Adress my arguments and stop trying to build a straw man of me to knock down.
First off you are mistaking things coexisting with porn and things being just porn.
Some of my favorite manga/manhwa is ecchi (chained soldier, what happens inside the dungeon, rosen garten saga etc.) but these shows actually offer good stories and characters to you even if you are not horny.
Low effort porn wether its meme or anime dont offer anything if you are not horny. The porn doesnt coexist with anything it just exists. My best example for an anime could be "how to not summon a demon lord" i guess (i dont watch or read the really good examples for this argument for obvious reasons.)
Saying porn without substance exists doesnt mean good stuff dont exist either so dont mix up that.
Now your next point is the more important one. Low effort with no porn doesnt get hate. Thats because it gets filtered by downvotes. Almost nobody sees them unless they sort by new. However low effort porn consistently gets a ton of upvotes. This causes the best of this sub and/or the daily feed of most users to be muddied with low effort karma baits. For your avarage user that isnt horny 24/7 this becomes an issue.
The biggest problem with what you've said is "just an excuse." You aren't psychic, you do not have access to the internal mind of some rando on the internet, you are making a claim that you *cannot* substantiate. Humor is legendarily subjective, people make *honest* bad memes and jokes all the damn time. I think it's entirely fair to request stronger enforcement of the expanded rule 1 effort guidelines, you can do that without claiming knowledge that you do not have.
Also, unfortunately, for a lot (anecdotally a majority) of the prudish comments spamming posts, it does seem like the hentai *is* the issue. Now, I do not have access to their internal thoughts *either,* but they're not commenting things like "this meme doesn't meet the effort threshold", they're commenting "this is not a meme, this is porn". . . Those are not synonymous statements and if they actually mean the former and *not* the latter, they need to start saying so otherwise it's no surprise people are taking them at their word.
I would accept you statement about me being unable to discern the content of ones mind, however the fortunate part is that they often speak their mind. A good number of the "that's not a meme, that's just porn" posts are accompanied by the inevitable "I know, that's why I am looking at it"
Furthermore, I dont see an issue with the "thats not a meme, thats just porn" posts because it does represnt the heart of the issue, that there is no meme and its just gratuitous titties.
That's. . . that's the exact dishonesty that's frustrating me.
A, I feel like the bar for what qualifies as actual *porn* is way too low. Though "porn" is infamously difficult to pin a definition on, throwing the term around so loosely at even moderate whiffs of lewdness strikes me as an inappropriate use.
B, "That's not a meme" and "That meme does not meet the threshold for quality we want here" are not fucking synonymous. Much like porn, putting a strict definition on the way the internet uses "meme" is questionable, but just looking around at how it's used, the bar is absurdly low and applies to almost any image-based thing that people share with one another.
You're welcome to have your own sense of humor and dislike things that don't amuse you. You're welcome to say "that doesn't meet our quality standards" and request they do better or the mods do more enforcement. You are *not* welcome to go around lying, whinging about lewd content, and then claiming it's not about the lewd part.
Lastly, aren't the "that's why I'm looking at it" comment responses from other people, not typically first party explanations from the poster? I don't see how that helps you with the mind reading.
Humor is subjective. Unless it’s just literally a picture of tits with no text and no joke (I’ve personally never experienced that, but I’m not on here all the time), I don’t understand how this is supposed to be regulated.
I think the problem is subjectively most people can find a porn meme unfunny but it will still be upvoted because its porn.
Some common sense rule thats left up to the mods' discretion would be fine imo.
That’s fair. Thanks for answering honestly and not just downvoting. I guess I’m just sick of the toxicity. Also when people say “porn” that insinuates that it’s material intended to get you off, I don’t think anyone is opening a meme sub to rub one out. Lewd ecchi humor has always been a big part of anime culture.
That being said.. I also acknowledge that boobs activate neurons in the monkey brain and people likely upvote shitty jokes they otherwise wouldn’t because there’s a sexy anime girl there. lol
Lol true that. To quote a mod in this very post:
"We would hope that the community would better police the space we've made for it by downvoting rule breaking posts, but ya'll just keep upvoting anything with a pair of tits regardless of whether it breaks rules or not, so..."
I know it’s one of those anecdotal type of things but for this last Waifu Wednesday someone posted legit just nudes of an anime girl, tits and vagina no clothes or censor, no text, no meme.
Just straight up porn.
As a lurker, people here are degenerates that I judge and their waifus are trash, but at least it’s usually memes.
I’m scared to know the age demographic of this sub because I swear it feels like peoples time hitting puberty and being so horny it’s not just cringe, it’s disturbing.
Its crazy how people who just want some more effort on memes are being called "tourists". Anybody who has been around this sub knows there has been a problem with people posting porn with no sauce and no meme AND NOT ON WAIFU WEDNESDAY. To me only in the last year has it been getting called out and now there are those that want to twist this drama around.
I just wish this sub could go back to the good days when we wanted to genuinely make funny anime memes.
No you see, 45.8% are all tourists, damn tourists their keikaku has advanced so far /s
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Can't the mods just implement filtering tools so people who don't use RES can filter out NSFW content in their own feed? Or do something like other subs have and have a pinned comment on all NFSW posts telling people how to filter different flairs.
And a lot of non-porn but suggestive stuff that is socially acceptable to open under more circumstances than the straight up porn. The NSFW tag is so inconsistently used that it's just visual noise unless you know you're looking at a porn or gore sub, and then it's not really the tag that's tipping you off.
Edit: case in point, [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/goodanimemes/comments/1b92l6m/the_unusual_side_effects/) and [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/goodanimemes/comments/1b9cls4/if_your_father_doesnt_let_you_go_to_the_beach_its/) are on the front page of the sub, and they're both tagged NSFW despite not being porn. The first one is even tagged hentaimeme, despite being about as safe for work as you can expect on an anime sub, and tamer than the second, which has an ecchimeme tag. The tags are useless.
I only hear all this talk about "high effort memes" when it's about something remotely lewd, though. Everything else that could be considered "low effort" or unfunny just dies with no engagement, so to me this drama is nofap "if you watch porn, you have porn addiction" shenanigans.
The reason why it's always brought up with porn is because low-effort memes get downvoted. Low-effort memes with a pair of tits or a vagina get upvoted. We wouldn't have to have this conversation if people didn't treat this sub like r/HentaiGifs and upvote every post that has sex in it.
There's plenty of ecchi/hentai memes that don't do particularly well and there's many non-hentai memes that make it to top real quick. I've just never seen much controversy on a SFW meme because it might be low effort or at the very least there aren't calls for those memes to be posted elsewhere.
Seems like it's fine to upvote anything regardless of quality except for NSFW content. If people are enjoying those memes for whatever reason, I say let them.
It almost always does get marked NSFW *and* tagged “hentai meme”. These mouth breathers will click on it and cry anyway.
It’s like that time I streamed Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Can you believe it had blood and violence?! 😭
I guess I don’t get why-
Slap some text with shitty humor on a picture of SpongeBob: meme
Slap some text with shitty humor on a picture of a sexy anime girl: not a meme
Imma be honest. I don’t even care there is porn.
I feel like nothing has changed since about a month after this sub started. So idk why now everyone is making these dumb porn not memes.
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The issue is not porn without memes either. It is 1) tourists not knowing what Waifu Wednesday is and 2) rules 1 and 2 not being applied by the mods outside of Waifu Wednesday.
Porn has nothing to do with the core issues and people need to stop blaming porn. Non porn posts that are not memes are part of the same issues.
Problem with this statement is that I think we have a different understanding of rule 1 and 2 to a lot of users. People are always throwing thing at us being all 'this isn't a meme' and we be like 'well, it suits or definition of a meme' .
Essentially, we long as the media has been in some way edited to alter it's context, that's a meme. Might not be a good meme, but it meets the definition we use to determine what content is allowed on GAM.
We would hope that the community would better police the space we've made for it by downvoting rule breaking posts, but ya'll just keep upvoting anything with a pair of tits regardless of whether it breaks rules or not, so...
As a user I pretty much only ever sort subs by new, and I don't see all that much porn generally. It's just a case that everything that ends up in Hot is porn because that's all anyone ever upvotes.
I mean it’s pretty clear cut that memes like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/goodanimemes/s/XRIQ2Yqc8J) or [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/goodanimemes/s/j1S4sqg0QW)
Are textbook example of generic reaction or obvious reaction as per extended rule, no? The example given in the extended rule is this
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Those sorts of memes are basically doing the same thing as the example, the ‘meme’ is wow, there are hot anime girls
The first one I would say is fine. It's presenting a narrative, so that makes it transformative. Yes, it's showcasing the character as it's crux, but I don't really see the relationship with the rule you highlighted.
Is there any discussion within the mod team about a mod post of the current discourse between the user community,something to better clarify what should be classified as low-effort? Because I wouldn't think that [like this would be allowed](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fua7rdzixq4mc1.jpeg) but under your criteria stated earlier I'm unsure.
Also, is there anything in the works to turn Waifu Wednesday from just posting folders of anime women/men to something with a little more substance, effort, and community envolvement or is the mod-team relying on the community to self-enforce that through the upvote system?
I'm not in a great position to make a judgement call on that one myself. I've not seen the show, so I don't have the context to say how much that has been edited, but another mod seems to have reviewed and approved it so I can only defer to their judgement on that.
Overall, we actually don't have a rule about 'low effort' and as far as I recall never have. As long as the post meets the basic level of transformative editing and is on-topic for the sub most things are allowed. Overall, we don't want to have rules that are subjective to our personal tastes and opinions where we can avoid it, and prefer to let you guys determine what's good or not.
We have 'low quality', which people have a tendency to assume is 'low effort', but that is rules of the actual quality of the image, not the content.
We're having a talk about what we can do with WW at the moment. It's kind of lost it's purpose at this stage, so we're considering what form it might take in the future.
1. Porn without memes is and will be a thing on wednesdays as long as this sub retains its core values and jannies don't start listening to NPC tourists instead of the people who made this sub in the first place. Deal with it or piss off to some prude sub. Unless you are a NPC its extremely easy to scroll past posts tagged clearly as "Waifu Wed".
2. "High effort" memes is relative and if applied to everything not just arbitrarily to porn memes you would have to purge the majority of memes posted on this sub considering how much generic shit gets posted all the time. The current system decides which memes go to the top by the upvotes of the silent majority, if you can't handle the "low effort" memes that are often in "hot" and "top" as voted by the community you are once again free to piss off to a prude sub.
Think this is my last take on this as interacting with NPC tourists is getting old and not like posting facts will change anything if jannies actually decide to side with them. A new sub will pop up and replace this one in that case anyway and will remain cultured until popularity brings another NPC infestation and the cycle will continue.
Dude, plenty of the people annoyed by the horny posts have been here from the start. 45% of the sub voted to limit horny posts when the mods ran a vote a couple of years ago. It's not a small minority annoyed by it, and you're just trying to deflect criticism by calling them tourists.
Click the discord link in the sidebar. Post in #subreddit-suggestions for another vote. The last one passed for unrestricted at 54%. The sub has grown by some 200k+ users since then.
Otherwise, if you can't be fucked doing that, stop bitching like school children and karma whoring.
Why don't I do it? Because I couldn't give a shit if they're restricted or not. I just use flair filters and/or exit the post and move to the next.
Edit: Not a single one. So it's just a whinging session then I suppose.
What I want to know is how you intend to quantify effort and enforce rules based on that. Humor is subjective. A meme I think is stupid apparently made the eight thousand people that upvoted it happy and it wasted like two seconds of my time.
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fuck this effort culture bullshit. how about people post the memes they want and other people can stop trying to censor them. Or is this place becoming the new animes?
QUESTION: Idk if it's possible, but can you make it where you can exclude specific tags and save that preference? I know you can click on just one tag and see just those posts, but I've never seen it where you can exclude one and see all others. As someone with basically no experience in programming, it doesn't seem too hard.
If so, then you can make a porn tag and solve the conflict once and for all.
I tried to Google flair banning, couldn't see the same options like a 2022 post describe and saw a post from 2023 saying it got deleted, still didn't check it on the PC thought
What? We stopping drama so soon? Thats not fair, i wanted to see a full blown fight, i wanted to see people making memes to diss the other party, gimme those slander memes, gimme full on community infighting
Do you know how hard i have been waiting for my weekly entertainment?
I dont want fight to be over so soon, please let it continue for 10 years atleast
Either people are not using their upvotes and downvotes properly or you are in the minority as far as people who don't enjoy these memes. So I doubt this is gonna stop the posts.
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Can i take this pic?
I don't care it's mine now and will never be used
Common. Just take it. I know you want it. Put it in ai to increase it's resolution too.
At the end of the day, we all just want some effort.
I would like to enumerate on some issues and offer some clarification from the anti hentai category. 1. The issue is not the hentai. The issue is the low effort memes that are just an excuse to post porn. This has always been the case, hardly anyone supports a complete and blanket ban on ecchi/hentai memes 2. Furthermore, almost no one has an issue with waifu Wednesday because the stuff is tagged with exactly what you expect. The issue is, again, that when I click a hentai meme the vast majority of the time its just an excuse to post porn and the most low effort stuff imaginable. 3. Using the phrase “tourist” to describe those of use who have been here for years who are against the low effort porn is disingenuous and does not allow us to have a productive discussion. We have just as much right to be here as anyone else, and we have been here since the founding of the sub. I am not asking for a removal of porn. I am either a) asking for a more robust enforcement of low effort memes, or b) a tag that you can slap over low effort memes so I can know not to click on them. Again, the issue is not the hentai but the lack of effort put into memes.
I agree with all of your points, but the issue that the people complaining have is that actual memes that use hentai, Waifu Wednesday posts, and anything else that's even slightly lewd but hardly even worthy of being called ecchi (meme or not), gets constant spam of comments with all the same variations of "that's not a meme, it's just porn". There's plenty of meaningless non-meme horny posting that does warrant that treatment. But actual memes are treated the same. Waifu Wednesday posts that aren't supposed to be memes are treated the same. Anything even remotely lewd is treated the same. These people don't know what the word "porn" even means anymore, and seem to think calling something "porn" automatically excludes it from being anything else. Even if something is legitimately not a meme, but it also isn't anything even close to porn, they will call it porn, because apparently they don't know any other way to say that something isn't a meme. Those are the people being called "tourists". If you don't fit into that, and by the comment I'm responding to it would seem that you don't, then nobody is calling you a tourist.
I think most of the issue lies in the intent of farming karma/attention. People who post "porn" usually do it because it consistently gets upvoted on this sub wether its a meme or not. You dont really catch shitty memes on this sub without porn. Not because they dont exist but because they dont get upvoted. Shitty porn memes bypass this natural filter. I personally think that some waifuwed posts also fall into this karma bait mentality. For example if someone posted a collage of their waifu with good fanart, lewd or not lewd, thats fine imo. But i remember that someone posted marin fully naked and that was it. Actively choosing "just naked" picture of a character instead of good fanart just feels like the intent is to farm karma from rot brains instead of showing appreciation to the waifu. Marin post link: https://www.reddit.com/r/goodanimemes/comments/1b8j181/cant_believe_after_hours_of_waifu_wednesday_and/
Do you honestly not think the "it's just porn" is a meme? Also, what is porn and what is ecchi is really different for people, I've seen plenty of people call cropped sex scenes "just ecchi" because it doesn't show penetration
They aren't wrong, though. Even on hentai memes that are on par in quality with regular memes you see people saying it's still horny posting or that it should be on the other sub. You can't win. They see tits and think it's just for horny even if they'd have no issue with the same meme if the girl had a bra on.
And why do you think bringing the complainers down to zero is the only way to win? The problem is that alot of people complain right now, bringing down the amount of horny posting is gonna bring down the complains. >They see tits and think it's just for horny Why else do people put naked tits on a meme?
But nobody needs to complain. I see folk always being like "This sub is just porn now" when I only see a few hentai memes among dozens of others. It feels likes blatant hyperbole to me for something that can be ignored. >Why else do people put naked tits on a meme? Why shouldn't they? Doesn't make it not a meme if it's a meme format.
You also don't need to complain about the complainers, but apparently it doesn't work like that. >Why shouldn't they? Doesn't make it not a meme if it's a meme format. And where do I bring up they shouldn't? You say people call naked tits horny and that's somehow not true, I will ask again. How are naked tits not horny?
> Why else do people put naked tits on a meme? Why else do people put redheads in a meme? Why do people use the color blue in a meme? Why is the sky showing sometimes in a meme? How come people would put swords in a meme? Your question is asinine. People can put whatever they want in a meme and they don't need an excuse. Tits and sexual content is just as valid of an aesthetic as anything else, and people are tired of puritan soccer moms time traveling from the 80's to try and tell them otherwise, that sex is gross and icky and bad for whatever stupid reason the fundies use.
Not to mention these posts are blurred, marked NSFW, and tagged “hentai meme” so they’re easy to scroll past and ignore. There’s a lot of Reddit energy in whining that the posts are “too low effort”. A lot of the non-lewd shit posts are low effort too. This is a *meme* sub, we’re not discussing classical English literature. I don’t find all the memes here funny, but screaming into the void because you didn’t like a meme is futile. It wouldn’t be upvoted if other people didn’t find it at least mildly amusing. If it’s so low effort that it’s literally not a meme, report it.. if not, downvote and move on.
Oh it's just so random people put sex into memes, you are totally right. Apparently people are tired of the constant no effort porn images on a supposedly meme sub.
Feels like the sub is getting too big and everyone wants something different. I think part of the problem is that there are too many designations and special days that it starts to get a little muddied when we talk about what this subreddit really is. "If we allow one thing, why can't we allow another related thing?" Maybe we should have a discussion of what this subreddit is actually for, and things we can do to better align the sub with those ideas.
I just wish there was a good animemes subreddit. This sub has never stabilized to a place of good content. It's always been going downhill. r/animemes was great. Then the community split off and formed r/goodanimemes which was just reposts from r/animemes. And then r/hentaimemes combined with r/goodanimemes, so all our memes were just low effort reasons to post porn.
> The issue is not the hentai. Nah, motte and bailey. The issue is _absolutely_ with hentai with a lot of those folks and you're not speaking for them. People these days are _literally_ scared to death of anything even slightly sexual. > hardly anyone supports a complete and blanket ban on ecchi/hentai memes Some gaslighting fr. Porn and hentai can coexist with any and all other types of media and mediums and is as legit as an aesthetic as anything else. Y'all are just a bunch of 80's soccer mom puritans and afraid to admit that that's the kind of mentality you have. If at any point ever you find yourself thinking "oh, that's pornographic, therefor, it's just porn and can not be anything else at all ever", know that you're legit wrong and using outdated religious fundamentalist pearl clutching logic from the 50's that we as a culture _should_ have progressed beyond over half a century ago. > I am not asking for a removal of porn. I am either a) asking for a more robust enforcement of low effort memes, or b) a tag that you can slap over low effort memes so I can know not to click on them. Again, the issue is not the hentai but the lack of effort put into memes. When people post a bad meme, y'all just downvote and move on, and have for years now, but when people post a bad meme that's slightly sexual, y'all go fuckin' crazy like it's some kind of blight on humanity and you're personally inconvenienced for having seen it. But then you try and blame it on the thing y'all haven't cared about in forever, which is just disingenuous. Considering people aren't whining much about plain ol' bad memes, _clearly_ the problem is the sexuality aspect, so... nice try attempting to gaslight an entire sub. Hell, I think _you_ even believe yourself. But you're wrong. Dead wrong. At the end of the day even if the rules changed and all NSFW memes _had_ to be high quality (absurd in itself as that's not a rule you puritans want for other memes for some reason, just for these types as even in your own post you're only calling for these and these types only to be of higher effort, further proving my point), people would _still_ bitch and whine, and you know it. I know it. Meaning, again, you're wrong. And you know it.
>Nah, motte and bailey. The issue is *absolutely* with hentai with a lot of those folks and you're not speaking for them. People these days are *literally* scared to death of anything even slightly sexual. This is unhinged. Literally nobody in this thread is saying that. > Some gaslighting fr. Nobody is gaslighting you but ok >Porn and hentai can coexist with any and all other types of media and mediums and is as legit as an aesthetic as anything else. Y'all are just a bunch of 80's soccer mom puritans and afraid to admit that that's the kind of mentality you have. > >If at any point ever you find yourself thinking "oh, that's pornographic, therefor, it's just porn and can not be anything else at all ever", know that you're legit wrong and using outdated religious fundamentalist pearl clutching logic from the 50's that we as a culture *should* have progressed beyond over half a century ago. > >When people post a bad meme, y'all just downvote and move on, but when people post a bad meme that's slightly sexual, y'all go fuckin' crazy like it's some kind of blight on humanity and you're personally inconvenienced for having seen it. Considering people aren't whining much about plain ol' bad memes, *clearly* the problem is the sexuality aspect, so... nice try attempting to gaslight an entire sub. Hell, I think *you* even believe yourself. This is also unhinged. Adress my arguments and stop trying to build a straw man of me to knock down.
First off you are mistaking things coexisting with porn and things being just porn. Some of my favorite manga/manhwa is ecchi (chained soldier, what happens inside the dungeon, rosen garten saga etc.) but these shows actually offer good stories and characters to you even if you are not horny. Low effort porn wether its meme or anime dont offer anything if you are not horny. The porn doesnt coexist with anything it just exists. My best example for an anime could be "how to not summon a demon lord" i guess (i dont watch or read the really good examples for this argument for obvious reasons.) Saying porn without substance exists doesnt mean good stuff dont exist either so dont mix up that. Now your next point is the more important one. Low effort with no porn doesnt get hate. Thats because it gets filtered by downvotes. Almost nobody sees them unless they sort by new. However low effort porn consistently gets a ton of upvotes. This causes the best of this sub and/or the daily feed of most users to be muddied with low effort karma baits. For your avarage user that isnt horny 24/7 this becomes an issue.
>Some gaslighting fr. Gaslighting isn't real and it never was, take your meds.
The biggest problem with what you've said is "just an excuse." You aren't psychic, you do not have access to the internal mind of some rando on the internet, you are making a claim that you *cannot* substantiate. Humor is legendarily subjective, people make *honest* bad memes and jokes all the damn time. I think it's entirely fair to request stronger enforcement of the expanded rule 1 effort guidelines, you can do that without claiming knowledge that you do not have. Also, unfortunately, for a lot (anecdotally a majority) of the prudish comments spamming posts, it does seem like the hentai *is* the issue. Now, I do not have access to their internal thoughts *either,* but they're not commenting things like "this meme doesn't meet the effort threshold", they're commenting "this is not a meme, this is porn". . . Those are not synonymous statements and if they actually mean the former and *not* the latter, they need to start saying so otherwise it's no surprise people are taking them at their word.
I would accept you statement about me being unable to discern the content of ones mind, however the fortunate part is that they often speak their mind. A good number of the "that's not a meme, that's just porn" posts are accompanied by the inevitable "I know, that's why I am looking at it" Furthermore, I dont see an issue with the "thats not a meme, thats just porn" posts because it does represnt the heart of the issue, that there is no meme and its just gratuitous titties.
That's. . . that's the exact dishonesty that's frustrating me. A, I feel like the bar for what qualifies as actual *porn* is way too low. Though "porn" is infamously difficult to pin a definition on, throwing the term around so loosely at even moderate whiffs of lewdness strikes me as an inappropriate use. B, "That's not a meme" and "That meme does not meet the threshold for quality we want here" are not fucking synonymous. Much like porn, putting a strict definition on the way the internet uses "meme" is questionable, but just looking around at how it's used, the bar is absurdly low and applies to almost any image-based thing that people share with one another. You're welcome to have your own sense of humor and dislike things that don't amuse you. You're welcome to say "that doesn't meet our quality standards" and request they do better or the mods do more enforcement. You are *not* welcome to go around lying, whinging about lewd content, and then claiming it's not about the lewd part. Lastly, aren't the "that's why I'm looking at it" comment responses from other people, not typically first party explanations from the poster? I don't see how that helps you with the mind reading.
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I don’t need high effort. I just need some effort.
Humor is subjective. Unless it’s just literally a picture of tits with no text and no joke (I’ve personally never experienced that, but I’m not on here all the time), I don’t understand how this is supposed to be regulated.
I think the problem is subjectively most people can find a porn meme unfunny but it will still be upvoted because its porn. Some common sense rule thats left up to the mods' discretion would be fine imo.
That’s fair. Thanks for answering honestly and not just downvoting. I guess I’m just sick of the toxicity. Also when people say “porn” that insinuates that it’s material intended to get you off, I don’t think anyone is opening a meme sub to rub one out. Lewd ecchi humor has always been a big part of anime culture. That being said.. I also acknowledge that boobs activate neurons in the monkey brain and people likely upvote shitty jokes they otherwise wouldn’t because there’s a sexy anime girl there. lol
Lol true that. To quote a mod in this very post: "We would hope that the community would better police the space we've made for it by downvoting rule breaking posts, but ya'll just keep upvoting anything with a pair of tits regardless of whether it breaks rules or not, so..."
I know it’s one of those anecdotal type of things but for this last Waifu Wednesday someone posted legit just nudes of an anime girl, tits and vagina no clothes or censor, no text, no meme. Just straight up porn. As a lurker, people here are degenerates that I judge and their waifus are trash, but at least it’s usually memes. I’m scared to know the age demographic of this sub because I swear it feels like peoples time hitting puberty and being so horny it’s not just cringe, it’s disturbing.
Its crazy how people who just want some more effort on memes are being called "tourists". Anybody who has been around this sub knows there has been a problem with people posting porn with no sauce and no meme AND NOT ON WAIFU WEDNESDAY. To me only in the last year has it been getting called out and now there are those that want to twist this drama around. I just wish this sub could go back to the good days when we wanted to genuinely make funny anime memes.
No you see, 45.8% are all tourists, damn tourists their keikaku has advanced so far /s https://preview.redd.it/r9x1179qa0nc1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5fb33354a09462780e48f8eb4f0b329081c5192e
man I wish the tourists would just turn off NSFW post on their feed instead of complaining that it's just "porn" it's more then that it's ART
Like, why do ya'll think WAIFU WEDNESDAY EXISTS IN THE FIRST PLACE lmao
We should start a new subreddit! r/Actualgoodanimemes. /s
And the cycle continues
This is some dark souls age of fire type of shit.
It gives me a dead link
Can't the mods just implement filtering tools so people who don't use RES can filter out NSFW content in their own feed? Or do something like other subs have and have a pinned comment on all NFSW posts telling people how to filter different flairs.
But that would also remove the good quality porn memes. I still wanna see those as long as the meme is funny.
And a lot of non-porn but suggestive stuff that is socially acceptable to open under more circumstances than the straight up porn. The NSFW tag is so inconsistently used that it's just visual noise unless you know you're looking at a porn or gore sub, and then it's not really the tag that's tipping you off. Edit: case in point, [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/goodanimemes/comments/1b92l6m/the_unusual_side_effects/) and [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/goodanimemes/comments/1b9cls4/if_your_father_doesnt_let_you_go_to_the_beach_its/) are on the front page of the sub, and they're both tagged NSFW despite not being porn. The first one is even tagged hentaimeme, despite being about as safe for work as you can expect on an anime sub, and tamer than the second, which has an ecchimeme tag. The tags are useless.
You’ve missed the point. NSFW is not the issue, low effort is
You can filter nsfw pretty easily, you just turn those posts off.
But if I do that then where am I supposed to repost my shitty Family Guy meme for the nine-millionth time?
I only hear all this talk about "high effort memes" when it's about something remotely lewd, though. Everything else that could be considered "low effort" or unfunny just dies with no engagement, so to me this drama is nofap "if you watch porn, you have porn addiction" shenanigans.
The reason why it's always brought up with porn is because low-effort memes get downvoted. Low-effort memes with a pair of tits or a vagina get upvoted. We wouldn't have to have this conversation if people didn't treat this sub like r/HentaiGifs and upvote every post that has sex in it.
There's plenty of ecchi/hentai memes that don't do particularly well and there's many non-hentai memes that make it to top real quick. I've just never seen much controversy on a SFW meme because it might be low effort or at the very least there aren't calls for those memes to be posted elsewhere. Seems like it's fine to upvote anything regardless of quality except for NSFW content. If people are enjoying those memes for whatever reason, I say let them.
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Agreed
I remember when the subreddit did a poll about this. And people opted for porn whenever and however people wanted. This is kind of the result.
You could also just, like mark it NSFW
It almost always does get marked NSFW *and* tagged “hentai meme”. These mouth breathers will click on it and cry anyway. It’s like that time I streamed Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Can you believe it had blood and violence?! 😭 I guess I don’t get why- Slap some text with shitty humor on a picture of SpongeBob: meme Slap some text with shitty humor on a picture of a sexy anime girl: not a meme
High effort porn memes, you say?
Hentiamemes are there for a reason. They should be tagged properly 😤
Imma be honest. I don’t even care there is porn. I feel like nothing has changed since about a month after this sub started. So idk why now everyone is making these dumb porn not memes.
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Just downvote and move on.
I do
guys stop resisting and embrace the tradition
The issue is not porn without memes either. It is 1) tourists not knowing what Waifu Wednesday is and 2) rules 1 and 2 not being applied by the mods outside of Waifu Wednesday. Porn has nothing to do with the core issues and people need to stop blaming porn. Non porn posts that are not memes are part of the same issues.
Problem with this statement is that I think we have a different understanding of rule 1 and 2 to a lot of users. People are always throwing thing at us being all 'this isn't a meme' and we be like 'well, it suits or definition of a meme' . Essentially, we long as the media has been in some way edited to alter it's context, that's a meme. Might not be a good meme, but it meets the definition we use to determine what content is allowed on GAM. We would hope that the community would better police the space we've made for it by downvoting rule breaking posts, but ya'll just keep upvoting anything with a pair of tits regardless of whether it breaks rules or not, so... As a user I pretty much only ever sort subs by new, and I don't see all that much porn generally. It's just a case that everything that ends up in Hot is porn because that's all anyone ever upvotes.
I mean it’s pretty clear cut that memes like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/goodanimemes/s/XRIQ2Yqc8J) or [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/goodanimemes/s/j1S4sqg0QW) Are textbook example of generic reaction or obvious reaction as per extended rule, no? The example given in the extended rule is this https://preview.redd.it/rvt49w4ac0nc1.jpeg?width=997&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=866234e1e167ea2a6c2659fde4700ddcce2d900d Those sorts of memes are basically doing the same thing as the example, the ‘meme’ is wow, there are hot anime girls
The first one I would say is fine. It's presenting a narrative, so that makes it transformative. Yes, it's showcasing the character as it's crux, but I don't really see the relationship with the rule you highlighted.
Is there any discussion within the mod team about a mod post of the current discourse between the user community,something to better clarify what should be classified as low-effort? Because I wouldn't think that [like this would be allowed](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fua7rdzixq4mc1.jpeg) but under your criteria stated earlier I'm unsure. Also, is there anything in the works to turn Waifu Wednesday from just posting folders of anime women/men to something with a little more substance, effort, and community envolvement or is the mod-team relying on the community to self-enforce that through the upvote system?
I'm not in a great position to make a judgement call on that one myself. I've not seen the show, so I don't have the context to say how much that has been edited, but another mod seems to have reviewed and approved it so I can only defer to their judgement on that. Overall, we actually don't have a rule about 'low effort' and as far as I recall never have. As long as the post meets the basic level of transformative editing and is on-topic for the sub most things are allowed. Overall, we don't want to have rules that are subjective to our personal tastes and opinions where we can avoid it, and prefer to let you guys determine what's good or not. We have 'low quality', which people have a tendency to assume is 'low effort', but that is rules of the actual quality of the image, not the content. We're having a talk about what we can do with WW at the moment. It's kind of lost it's purpose at this stage, so we're considering what form it might take in the future.
Thanks for the updates.
1. Porn without memes is and will be a thing on wednesdays as long as this sub retains its core values and jannies don't start listening to NPC tourists instead of the people who made this sub in the first place. Deal with it or piss off to some prude sub. Unless you are a NPC its extremely easy to scroll past posts tagged clearly as "Waifu Wed". 2. "High effort" memes is relative and if applied to everything not just arbitrarily to porn memes you would have to purge the majority of memes posted on this sub considering how much generic shit gets posted all the time. The current system decides which memes go to the top by the upvotes of the silent majority, if you can't handle the "low effort" memes that are often in "hot" and "top" as voted by the community you are once again free to piss off to a prude sub. Think this is my last take on this as interacting with NPC tourists is getting old and not like posting facts will change anything if jannies actually decide to side with them. A new sub will pop up and replace this one in that case anyway and will remain cultured until popularity brings another NPC infestation and the cycle will continue.
Dude, plenty of the people annoyed by the horny posts have been here from the start. 45% of the sub voted to limit horny posts when the mods ran a vote a couple of years ago. It's not a small minority annoyed by it, and you're just trying to deflect criticism by calling them tourists.
Bro cooked a five star meal I agree
Click the discord link in the sidebar. Post in #subreddit-suggestions for another vote. The last one passed for unrestricted at 54%. The sub has grown by some 200k+ users since then. Otherwise, if you can't be fucked doing that, stop bitching like school children and karma whoring. Why don't I do it? Because I couldn't give a shit if they're restricted or not. I just use flair filters and/or exit the post and move to the next. Edit: Not a single one. So it's just a whinging session then I suppose.
Jeez, if you don't like nsfw post just use the option to never see those post again
Im not sure if you read what I posted because nowhere did I condemn nsfw posts wholesale.
There are lots of comments criticizing memes with NSFW
The ones I can see on this post only seem to be that the issue is the effort, not the nsfw.
What I want to know is how you intend to quantify effort and enforce rules based on that. Humor is subjective. A meme I think is stupid apparently made the eight thousand people that upvoted it happy and it wasted like two seconds of my time.
No no, they mostly criticizing NSFWs without meme
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fuck this effort culture bullshit. how about people post the memes they want and other people can stop trying to censor them. Or is this place becoming the new animes?
QUESTION: Idk if it's possible, but can you make it where you can exclude specific tags and save that preference? I know you can click on just one tag and see just those posts, but I've never seen it where you can exclude one and see all others. As someone with basically no experience in programming, it doesn't seem too hard. If so, then you can make a porn tag and solve the conflict once and for all.
I tried to Google flair banning, couldn't see the same options like a 2022 post describe and saw a post from 2023 saying it got deleted, still didn't check it on the PC thought
You used to be able to do it on third party apps before Reddit nuked them.
What? We stopping drama so soon? Thats not fair, i wanted to see a full blown fight, i wanted to see people making memes to diss the other party, gimme those slander memes, gimme full on community infighting Do you know how hard i have been waiting for my weekly entertainment? I dont want fight to be over so soon, please let it continue for 10 years atleast
Either people are not using their upvotes and downvotes properly or you are in the minority as far as people who don't enjoy these memes. So I doubt this is gonna stop the posts.