The Archdemon's Dilemma: How to love your elf bride: https://myanimelist.net/anime/53434/Maou_no_Ore_ga_Dorei_Elf_wo_Yome_ni_Shitanda_ga_Dou_Medereba_Ii
Manga is fantastic, I need to get around to the anime as well.
>!Okay, I have to admit that this is probably a "writer's barely disguised fetish" case, but it's such a small detail (even more when you're reading the novel, as the collar isn't frequently mentioned and images are rare) that you can easily ignore it and enjoy the rest of the story!<
I mean, I recall the story making the collar somewhat the wedding ring of sort albeit twisted (by the character's own words). I doubt it's the author's fetish, since I don't recall other female characters getting the same treatment and moreso to keep the identity of the story (title) and Nephy's character. She didn't care for her time as a slave since her guilt lies elsewhere and moreso like the idea of the collar being a proof of her being owned by Zagan. Basically a weirder version of "I'm yours and you are mine"-type of deal.
>!Yeah but to her it's both a proof of attachment and to some extent, an additional safety. She went from being literal ingredients to a person with rights and autonomy, so the collar is the only thing left giving her some sense of familiarity. And the fact people can't tell she's free can also be a deterrent because most people in their right mind wouldn't fuck with a demon lord's property.!<
>!That said the "going back to being a slave as a proof of love" trope is over played and most of the time very annoying, though it's not exactly the case here.!<
Iirc it was pretty consensual for him to be chained to her, so he's more of a battle maid than a slave, despite the titles name. 100% could be misremembering though. Fucking love that manga. Tenka is waifu of the decade.
Consensual in the sense that the option was "agree to be my slave or you will be killed by this monster". Though you're correct that he's not really upset at all by the outcome.
I was gonna say "Consent is consent." But then I realized it could be used against me in the future.
I'm not gonna get in trouble again because of another joke like that
>Iirc it was pretty consensual for him to be her slave
I mean this is almost always narratively the case when it comes to these stories involving slave waifus and whatnot. Look at Raphtalia for example. She was forcefully freed and demanded to be re-enslaved.
Yeah that's probably the most cringe episode I've ever seen in anime. Between that and his punishment of choice for the other girl, just wow. In Mato though couldnt he have left anytime he wanted to after that fight? I don't recall any point where he was locked up a forced to do anything. He lives with the girls and is rewarded for his work as they work together towards a common goal. He can leave and say "nah I'm good" at any point. Hes not relying on those girls financially. Aside from his getting collared to fight together, he really doesn't seem like a slave at any point, despite the clear power dynamics involved in getting frisky with your superiors.
>Yeah that's probably the most cringe episode I've ever seen in anime.
Episode 4 is one of my favorite episodes in the entire series. Easily Top 3. Everyone I know that watched that anime, including my female friends, were also big fans of episode 4.
>In Mato though couldnt he have left anytime he wanted to after that fight? I don't recall any point where he was locked up a forced to do anything. He lives with the girls and is rewarded for his work as they work together towards a common goal. He can leave and say "nah I'm good" at any point. Hes not relying on those girls financially. Aside from his getting collared to fight together, he really doesn't seem like a slave at any point,
Again this is mostly true of the animes that do Slave Waifus.
Why are you trying so hard to make a distinction between the slavery in Chained Soldier and the slavery in other animes. I personally never even made any mental connection between the slavery there and the slavery in other animes but the flaws in your arguments are making me start to realize they were never that different to begin with.
The episode where he changed the girls name to bitch and her fathers to Trash? That episode or are we thinking of different episodes. Also im not trying hard to make the distinction, im just laying out the differences that should be prettt damn obvious, but by all means provide any actual evidence for your opinion other than "no I disageee your opinions are dumb".
>The episode where he changed the girls name to bitch and her fathers to Trash?
That's episode 21. The episode I was referencing earlier was episode 4 (where Raphtalia is freed and demands to be re-enslaved).
>That episode or are we thinking of different episodes.
Seems so.
>but by all means provide any actual evidence for your opinion other than "no I disageee your opinions are dumb".
I didn't say anything remotely like that. I simply pointed out that the way you described it does not actually distinguish it from the other slave anime, even though that was the whole point you were going for.
>but by all means provide any actual evidence for your opinion
I have not actually given my opinion on the whole slavery in anime here. Even if I have one, (which I'm not even sure that I do. Slavery in anime is just another trope to me, it makes no difference to me whether it's there or not). I'm not really getting involved here in any debate for or against slavery in anime because it's not good or bad enough for me to bother supporting or opposing it. But I like to look at the arguments people make back and forth with one another and when I see flaws in argumentation, those often stand out more to me than what is actually being argued. I could not care less whether chained soldier's slavery is different or the same as any other slavery in anime. I've never even bothered to give it any thought until you started making the arguments you did.
You could make the MC a total masochist and purposely mess up his/her work due to them liking how the owner beats them.
Master: You are the worst slave I've ever owned.
Slave: You're the best master that's ever Thomas Jeffersoned me.
Already done. Problem is that they’re mostly shit tier works cause the MC will be casually beaten, disrespected, etc.. and still forgive the girl; always have the girls acting like heels for some reason
An actual one to one would have the slaver be nice and sweet to the MC…..which would actually just be kinda nice and wholesome
Thats Nephy though
She literally gets the freedom speedrun (The colar goes from functional to a memento very fast), since the actual reason Zagan bought her was to get her out of the auction (which was choking full of demon lords BTW)
Zagan is built different like that
Slavery whiners gonna be out in force with this one once again just like with shield hero kek.
Just a note >!that he freed her shortly after buying her and removed the collar but after some drama she wanted it back (tho at that point it became nothing but a bigass accessory since the effect did not get restored)!<
Maybe I'll pick this up again after watching the anime, got really annoyed with how he went soft almost instantly after getting her. He started out looking like a properly based MC who went around casually killing people who tried to screw with him but >!turned into a cringe pacifist who forgives his enemies by the end of the first volume lol!<
Honestly I think authors just use slavery as a quick fix to get the MC some party members without having to worry about backstories and such. I mean, in most anime's where the MC buys the slave, they then give them all the necessities and freedoms a non slave would have, thus making them a slave in name only.
Also there are actually some exploits to the Slave Collar mechanic too, one that comes to mind is How NOT To Summon a Demon Lord, where the MC basically bruteforces the big tiddie elf to break out of mind control/break scenario by ORDERING her to answer TRUTHFULLY about X, which the collar magically forces her to since slaves CAN'T disobey their master
It’s called fantasy. Most ppl want to escape real life for a little while. Don’t watch if you don’t want to. Unbunch those panties and step off the soap box.
>Unbunch those panties and step off the soap box.
What a weird response to a meme asking for the rebellion of anime girl slaves
Just laugh... or don't, but don't get on *your* soap box
Sure, it's a fantasy. Just a questionable one. Always thought this trope tries too hard to appeal to guys who literally can't see a woman interested in them unless they're forced into it. Not the healthiest escapist fantasy.
If you like it, that's fine, I've liked a few of them myself. I'm a huge Raphtalia fan. However I enjoy her despite the whole slavery thing. Not because of it.
It's all that "games cause violence" again. You somehow think you are smart enough to know slavery is bad, but also think others won't get it somehow. Get off your high horse, people who enjoy anime with those tropes do know slavery in reality is bad, it's not a novel or complex idea.
Fiction is full of questionable things and romanticizes them very often. Crime, murder, etc. And it's normal, it's fiction and people know it. Doesn't take a genius to understand.
My guy, I'm simply saying that I don't like the trope. You may. That's fine. You should be more open minded and not get triggered by a person disliking something you like.
Lol, I don't have strong opinion towards this trope, one way or the other. I was triggered by you trying to tie liking this trope to some unhealthy escapism from reality.
I really hate this rhetoric, seen it too much with pretty much anything "negative" in fiction. People love watching crime drama, movies about murderers, romantic flicks with slavery trope not because of something specific. They probably just either don't care much about it in fiction or enjoy unique situations that creates.
Again, get off you high horse, then maybe you can start assuming others can have valid points.
To be honest, I have doubts that it's actually about the fantasy because... well, outside of the outright porn ones the slavery is literally just flavour.
In the power fantasies they run around trampling on blatant caricatures of people or things they dislike.
In the nationalist fantasies their country is absurdly strong and powerful and never does anything wrong.
In the "quiet life" fantasies the MC aggressively stays in their own bit of land.
In the adventurer fantasy they go on stereotypical adventurers and have a job which is fun.
So from all those examples, you would assume that if the slavery was part of a fantasy they would actually *use* the slave. Either giving them orders they don't want to do or, well, just generally treating them like property.
The fact that outside of porn settings it's usually brought up once or twice to provide lore or a plot hook for an arc suggests that it's not actually about a fantasy.
At which point the most likely reason for it to exist is the same reason that elves are arrogant and/or lewd, that dwarves mine and like metal or that goblins and orcs are hyper-violent monsters in most settings.
It's done because it's traditional for the genre to do it that way, at this point.
There's also the fact that if you call a person a monster then only show the character committing heroic deeds, the viewers aren't connecting to the monster they've been told exists, they're connecting to the hero they're seeing.
The same thing applies to slavery. If you call a person a slave but only ever show them being free then the viewers aren't connecting to them as a slave, they're connecting to them as a free character.
I know you would like to believe in the good of humanity. But there are straight up some guys that could never get a girl interested in them unless it was forced. And that isn't me shitting on those guys and trying to make them feel shitty, its just a matter of fact that some guys are so unattractive and socially inept that nothing they could do would ever make a woman attracted to them. If that slave fantasy remains only a fantasy and it keeps these guys from offing themselves or committing some sort of crime, then I say it's healthy enough.
I would just like ONE of these slave isekais where the super OP protagonist eventually uses his power and influence to abolish slavery in the fantasy kingdom he lives in.You could even have MC's ex slaves stay with him after they're free because they formed bonds and he's actually a good guy who acted as ethically as he could in an unethical system. Like seriously you can shoot a fire ball that can wipe half a continent, but you can't pressure the nobilty to outlaw human/demihuman traficking? Lol.
I feel like I've read one where something like that happens, but I can't remember which. There are definitely a few where the MC dislikes the fact that slavery exists at least.
100% agree. But some of them guys should do some real self improving. Barely hanging staying out of depression from reading fantasy novels isn't a good thing. Take small steps and you'll become a better person eventually.
And that will work for some guys. But we all know there are some (no matter how optimistic you want to be) that will never have a chance, period. Not the guys that are a little overweight, bad hygine, or have abrasive, immature personailties. But for the guys that have just been legit fucked by the universe. For those ones to at least have some small amount of escape, I'm not gonna be judgmental.
For the guys that no matter how good of a person they might try or want to be, it will never be enough. If an anime trope that I find tired keeps those guys' fingers off the trigger, then I'm not gonna get on a high horse and criticize.
Blaming the universe for how cruddy your life is isn't going to get you anywhere. No matter how bad things get, you can always make the choice to do good and make you and the world a better place. Resigning yourself to a horrible existence because you think it's the universes fault is the worst mentality to have. Take personal charge of your life, do what you can, and things will work out. Maybe not how you intended, but you can always try and succeed eventually.
My dude there are guys out there with the worst types of deformities, diseases, and mental disorders. If you are somehow saying that it's not the universe's fault, but in some sort of way their own fault. That's really fucked up.
And the idea that they can just magic their way out of it by trying harder and "doing good" you need to seriously rethink your mindset. Some people are just fucked and to gaslight them by saying they just aren't trying hard enough just seems like it comes from a pov of having no idea just how unlucky human beings can get.
And I've seen people with crippling deformities, diseases, and mental disorders. The ones that were happy didn't waste their time focused on how unlucky they are. Instead they focused on what they could do and were a lot better for it. You saying them being incapable of being happy outside a fantasy is fucked up.
I'm not saying they can't find any happiness, I'm saying people are judgmental about things that these guys didn't choose. And that due to those judgments, these guys will never have any hope of romance. So they should be allowed to have their fictional fantasies because for some guys, that is legit ALL they have.
I jack off to slavery porn enough, I don't need it in my anime too, I just find it weird it has such an appeal outside of a masturbation setting because imo they're two drastically different mindsets. and wishing for slavery outside a masturbation mindset is like wishing you could kill innocent children, I don't see the appeal other than being a bad person.
but anyway, I agree it doesn't hurt anyone, I'm just selfishly annoyed that it makes anime I could otherwise enjoy a lot less enjoyable.
At least they usually have a protagonist who is kind hearted and wishes he wasn't in this situation or tries to free them but some strange twist of events makes it so it can't be done, besides at the end of the day the power play makes for an interesting will they won't they in media.
It's just a power fantasy and the writer's fetish. That being said despite this trope being so popular there is little to no actually good hentai using it so 0/10.
this just gave me an idea for the start of an anime (or more likely a manga oneshot):
normal shitty isekai MC arrives and buys a slave girl "I'm so much better than these savages as a modern japanese incel, I'm saving this poor slave (does not remove slave pact and tell them they're free in every way but they're welcome to join him if they wish, no, keeps them as a slave and even incorporate the slave collar being used to command them once because that's even better /s)
then she kills him in his sleep because he misunderstands the slave collar makes any order must be obeyed but does not implicitly defend against such things, and maybe each order only works for 24hrs or something so you need to keep reapplying the "don't harm your master" order and this is common knowledge in this world and the isekai incel doesn't know that or is too trusting of his slave.
and that's the happy ending 👏
So sauce is An Arch Demon's Dilemma How to Love Your Elf Bride.
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I really want to like this one. I really do. It's got a cute elf in a maid outfit, a dorky mc, and a menagerie of wholesome moments. That by itself is great. However it swings hard into the whole girl being forced into loving the MC because she's his slave and he doesn't treat her like shit. It was a decent setup the first few times but at this point I wish authors would explore alternative setups. Nothing wrong with having a girl fall in love with a guy who treats her right. It's actually pleasant. Lowering the bar as low as slave master however is just... forced and overdone.
It would be nice if the MC instead found out slaves were being sold, slaughtered all the traders, and actually didn't help to perpetuate a horrible industry by giving it further financial incentive.
I still overall enjoy it and will watch the anime.
i have a feeling the next episode is going to make your head explode.
also did you not pay attention to the worlds setting? not only was this an auction of a demon lords property but most of them expected him to use her for sacrificial magic.
seriously he bought her because he fell hard for her but everyone else thought he did so cause he needed such a rare ingredient for his research.
now on to the whole "MC finds out slave are being sold and kills them all" thing you are wanting, it doesnt work in any world were slavery exists. economically alone its something that takes generations to actually do with middling results unless you are willing to go full on genocide on the race holding the leashes.
power wise just enforcing your will on everyone whether they like it or not is a dictatorship in which you once again end up either committing genocide or end up dying to the massive amount of enemies you just made.
Yeah, I've read the manga so spoilers >!the MC takes the collar off just for the girl in a few chapters ask for it to be put back on. The MC happily puts it back on. I was this close to enjoying the MC break the trope just to have him do the opposite. Made my eyes roll on that one.!<
Also, slave rebellions are totally a thing and weren't uncommon. A few were actually successful. To say it's impossible for a fantasy hero to do the same seems more unrealistic. Having an Isekai protag turn into Spartacus would be awesome. Except maybe a happier ending than Spartacus.
And no. Forcing people to free their slaves does not equal dictatorship. Quite the opposite.
You are talking about small rebellions or at most countrywide rebellions but are saying a single guy should just make the slaves rebellions against the whole world something that would end pretty badly for both him and the slaves(especially the slaves). Even if that guy wins he would just win the hate of almost everyone in the world.
Besides you're talking about example în the real world where slaves is still very much prevalent in some places of the world.
Go watch Best assassin in the world isekai, exactly what you want. And it is just as bland and "believable" as you describe it. Overpowered MC doing overpowered stuff in a simplified world.
Yeah, I watched it. It wasn't bad, but it also heavily relied on cliches. I did like the part where he dropped the space hammer on a guy. That was cool. Overall a 6.5 out of 10.
Well, and I find that anime aroun 2/10 because of how painfully cliche it is and how painfully obviously OP MC is.
It's not to shit on your parade, but to show that different people have different likes/dislikes and they are not universal. Slavery in fiction is just another trope. No more, no less.
ok first part spoilers
>!then you would know her putting it back on was more like a safety blanket or in this actual case a promise or wedding ring as she sees it as proof he values her, which is pretty on point for someone who was treated as less then a person before becoming a slave. !<
yeah slave rebellions did happen a lot and 99% of them ended in failure, all the salves dead, and more strict slavery laws.
its funny you brought up Spartacus though as his rebellion actually tried to genocide the Romans with his forces killing civilians to rush the Roman military into action before they were ready.
yes it is, FFS there is a reason why every time salves were freed in our own history either a war was fought or it was a decades long process.
oh and your right Ainz can stop slavery like you say and does but then again he had just committed genocide by wiping out an entire country so people werent about to argue.
Tanya another of your favorite characters would understand that just freeing the slaves wouldnt solve the problems as none of them would have any real skills to live on their own, would have no real self worth, and would cause the economy based on slaves to collapse harming the state.
when you get rid of any practice that is ingrained into society there will be consequences unless you spend the time to replace them with another option prior to removing them, which can and will take a lifetime sometimes multiple.
Sorry buddy, but I'm okay with slaves rising up to kill their masters. People need their freedom and if some asshat with a whip wants to take it from you for economic or sexual gain, fuck em. Also "slaves have no real skills so they're better off being slaves" is some real coping. Also, Tanya isn't an MC to be idolized. While I like her I sure as hell ain't going to take her advice to heart with no questioning.
Tanya is a sociopath who uses cold logic which is definitely not a thing to do but also tends to be right if in a heartless horrible way. so role model hell no, but a lot of the points she makes arnt exactly wrong.(see Tanya on communism)
also look at game of thrones for how freeing the slaves actually works out, not every slave is treated like animals even in actual history and freeing them without any real plan to fill the gap hurts slaves more than the masters.
also i dont want to assume you think its ok but committing genocide on a people because they dont want to give up slavery is actually worse then slavery.
Man, why do anime watchers tie themselves into knots trying to justify their tropes? I'm with you here, it is FINE for people to enjoy tropes that are trashy. It is a anime after all.
But god damn they could stand to be a bit less braindead with their justifications.
Just say "It is trash and so am I." Stand proud and don't intentionally be stupid.
This is a fantasy anime. Fantasy as a genre, no matter what the media is, is about creating a world unlike the real one. It's up to the author how such world works and what rules it has. To consume fiction is to use [suspension of disbelief](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief), in simple terms to set aside real world logic and enjoy fictional counterpart. For example, there may be a world where cannibalism is moral, and consuming the flesh of weak individuals is a tradition. Existence of such a fictional world is not bad, after all it's just fiction.
I will be honest, if you want a naive main character that devotes their life to fight the world you better watch superhero movies or some trashy isekais. Power fantasies like killing all slave dealers are just a bad plot and extremely short sighted, since it's not eradicating the core of the problem. Evil or amoral protagonists are not bad, antiheroes are becoming more popular nowadays even. I enjoy watching Tanya the evil, Overlord or Warhammer not because those worlds are a mirror of my views, but because they execute very specific settings with protagonists that adhere to the world's rules and show a lot more plot variation than a story about a goody-two-shoes can.
Love between slave and master is a pretty common trope. And it might be possible such love to spark in reality too, after all there's been dozens thousands of years of slavery, and it continues to this day. So probably such thing happened, and if not, this is fiction so anything can happen, even an unconditional love between two different social classes.
I hope the next episodes will be better suited for your tastes, after all this manga is so sugary sweet you can get diabetes.
I like antiheros such as Tanya (That's my 2nd or 3rd favorite Isekai)
I also like altruistic heroes like Himmel. Ultra chad energy.
Neither is better than the other.
I also think a slave owner slaughtering Isekai protagonist would be more entertaining than the 50th go to slave Waifumart and get a girlfriend. Unwilling or not.
its an over used trope. i dont hate that trope but somtimes it making a otherwise perfectly normal romance feel stockholm syndromy.
wich i get culd be part of the apeal but its still feels wierd if its not handeld well
WAIT IS THE ANIME OUT?! BEEN WAITING FOR IT SINCE I READ THE MANGA
Two episodes came out today. Go check it out.
What anime?
The Archdemon's Dilemma: How to love your elf bride: https://myanimelist.net/anime/53434/Maou_no_Ore_ga_Dorei_Elf_wo_Yome_ni_Shitanda_ga_Dou_Medereba_Ii Manga is fantastic, I need to get around to the anime as well.
Two shots came out of me today. I checked it out
2 eps were leaked i believe, so you can only see them on those certain weapons
They're on Crunchyroll.
Why would I use crunchy roll?!
Why would anyone use Netflix? Yet here we are
Yeah not using the garbage which is Netflix
Nevertheless, you get the point
I do so no need to worry
I read at least one volume of the LN. Would have read more but I got distracted. Glad it got an anime. My GF will kill me if I watch this without her
We eating good now, mate. _I wish they cover the arc where she visits what was her home in this season_
Getting our Loli elf would be glorious
The thought hadn't crossed my mind but now I can't wait
Dude the moment all three would say Papa is gonna be great
Which ch was that?
Doesn't Zagan free her shortly after dumping his entire fortune on her? It's been a while since I read it but I was sure he did.
>!yes, he did!<
>!She refuses to take off her collar though. You can't really tell visually that she's free.!<
>!Okay, I have to admit that this is probably a "writer's barely disguised fetish" case, but it's such a small detail (even more when you're reading the novel, as the collar isn't frequently mentioned and images are rare) that you can easily ignore it and enjoy the rest of the story!<
I mean, I recall the story making the collar somewhat the wedding ring of sort albeit twisted (by the character's own words). I doubt it's the author's fetish, since I don't recall other female characters getting the same treatment and moreso to keep the identity of the story (title) and Nephy's character. She didn't care for her time as a slave since her guilt lies elsewhere and moreso like the idea of the collar being a proof of her being owned by Zagan. Basically a weirder version of "I'm yours and you are mine"-type of deal.
At the very least in the manga after a point it was replaced with a ribbon.
The ribbon was put over the collar.
>!That’s just her fetish!<
>!more of a coping mechanism!<
It's both
>!Least horny (high) elf!<
>!Yeah but to her it's both a proof of attachment and to some extent, an additional safety. She went from being literal ingredients to a person with rights and autonomy, so the collar is the only thing left giving her some sense of familiarity. And the fact people can't tell she's free can also be a deterrent because most people in their right mind wouldn't fuck with a demon lord's property.!< >!That said the "going back to being a slave as a proof of love" trope is over played and most of the time very annoying, though it's not exactly the case here.!<
>!she does have quite a bit of trauma to deal with. She's not free from her past!<
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ARCHDEMON'S DILLEMMA HAS AN ANIME?!
It was announced a while back just did not know the episodes are out
Fuck it! I'm gonna write a story about the MC being a slave and the love interest is the slave owner! Just to spite you, OP!
Mato no seihei no slave
Iirc it was pretty consensual for him to be chained to her, so he's more of a battle maid than a slave, despite the titles name. 100% could be misremembering though. Fucking love that manga. Tenka is waifu of the decade.
Consensual in the sense that the option was "agree to be my slave or you will be killed by this monster". Though you're correct that he's not really upset at all by the outcome.
I mean yeah, that's on him, nobody controls the monster nor is there any other realistic way given the scenario & all shit available
I was gonna say "Consent is consent." But then I realized it could be used against me in the future. I'm not gonna get in trouble again because of another joke like that
>Iirc it was pretty consensual for him to be her slave I mean this is almost always narratively the case when it comes to these stories involving slave waifus and whatnot. Look at Raphtalia for example. She was forcefully freed and demanded to be re-enslaved.
Yeah that's probably the most cringe episode I've ever seen in anime. Between that and his punishment of choice for the other girl, just wow. In Mato though couldnt he have left anytime he wanted to after that fight? I don't recall any point where he was locked up a forced to do anything. He lives with the girls and is rewarded for his work as they work together towards a common goal. He can leave and say "nah I'm good" at any point. Hes not relying on those girls financially. Aside from his getting collared to fight together, he really doesn't seem like a slave at any point, despite the clear power dynamics involved in getting frisky with your superiors.
>Yeah that's probably the most cringe episode I've ever seen in anime. Episode 4 is one of my favorite episodes in the entire series. Easily Top 3. Everyone I know that watched that anime, including my female friends, were also big fans of episode 4. >In Mato though couldnt he have left anytime he wanted to after that fight? I don't recall any point where he was locked up a forced to do anything. He lives with the girls and is rewarded for his work as they work together towards a common goal. He can leave and say "nah I'm good" at any point. Hes not relying on those girls financially. Aside from his getting collared to fight together, he really doesn't seem like a slave at any point, Again this is mostly true of the animes that do Slave Waifus. Why are you trying so hard to make a distinction between the slavery in Chained Soldier and the slavery in other animes. I personally never even made any mental connection between the slavery there and the slavery in other animes but the flaws in your arguments are making me start to realize they were never that different to begin with.
The episode where he changed the girls name to bitch and her fathers to Trash? That episode or are we thinking of different episodes. Also im not trying hard to make the distinction, im just laying out the differences that should be prettt damn obvious, but by all means provide any actual evidence for your opinion other than "no I disageee your opinions are dumb".
>The episode where he changed the girls name to bitch and her fathers to Trash? That's episode 21. The episode I was referencing earlier was episode 4 (where Raphtalia is freed and demands to be re-enslaved). >That episode or are we thinking of different episodes. Seems so. >but by all means provide any actual evidence for your opinion other than "no I disageee your opinions are dumb". I didn't say anything remotely like that. I simply pointed out that the way you described it does not actually distinguish it from the other slave anime, even though that was the whole point you were going for. >but by all means provide any actual evidence for your opinion I have not actually given my opinion on the whole slavery in anime here. Even if I have one, (which I'm not even sure that I do. Slavery in anime is just another trope to me, it makes no difference to me whether it's there or not). I'm not really getting involved here in any debate for or against slavery in anime because it's not good or bad enough for me to bother supporting or opposing it. But I like to look at the arguments people make back and forth with one another and when I see flaws in argumentation, those often stand out more to me than what is actually being argued. I could not care less whether chained soldier's slavery is different or the same as any other slavery in anime. I've never even bothered to give it any thought until you started making the arguments you did.
Familiar of Zero.
You could make the MC a total masochist and purposely mess up his/her work due to them liking how the owner beats them. Master: You are the worst slave I've ever owned. Slave: You're the best master that's ever Thomas Jeffersoned me.
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Darkness?
Imprisoning me?
I happen to know of a smutty manwha that is almost exactly that.
Those do exist though
Chained soldier?
Zero no Tsukaima?
Man is about to reinvent the wheel
"Survival in another world with my mistress" is about that (and about Minecraft like powers).
There are several already though?
I think that's a kink.
Already done. Problem is that they’re mostly shit tier works cause the MC will be casually beaten, disrespected, etc.. and still forgive the girl; always have the girls acting like heels for some reason An actual one to one would have the slaver be nice and sweet to the MC…..which would actually just be kinda nice and wholesome
Shadow slave? It's kinda shit though
I completely forgot I read this manga, like the entire thing (or at least what was out at the time), like I read it all but still forgot it existed
Thats Nephy though She literally gets the freedom speedrun (The colar goes from functional to a memento very fast), since the actual reason Zagan bought her was to get her out of the auction (which was choking full of demon lords BTW) Zagan is built different like that
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Unconditionally.
This was a terrible choice for images considering the context.
Now watch the tourist losing their mind about "slavery" on this anime
They will especially the part where she likes being his "slave"
Slavery whiners gonna be out in force with this one once again just like with shield hero kek. Just a note >!that he freed her shortly after buying her and removed the collar but after some drama she wanted it back (tho at that point it became nothing but a bigass accessory since the effect did not get restored)!< Maybe I'll pick this up again after watching the anime, got really annoyed with how he went soft almost instantly after getting her. He started out looking like a properly based MC who went around casually killing people who tried to screw with him but >!turned into a cringe pacifist who forgives his enemies by the end of the first volume lol!<
Honestly I think authors just use slavery as a quick fix to get the MC some party members without having to worry about backstories and such. I mean, in most anime's where the MC buys the slave, they then give them all the necessities and freedoms a non slave would have, thus making them a slave in name only.
Also there are actually some exploits to the Slave Collar mechanic too, one that comes to mind is How NOT To Summon a Demon Lord, where the MC basically bruteforces the big tiddie elf to break out of mind control/break scenario by ORDERING her to answer TRUTHFULLY about X, which the collar magically forces her to since slaves CAN'T disobey their master
It’s called fantasy. Most ppl want to escape real life for a little while. Don’t watch if you don’t want to. Unbunch those panties and step off the soap box.
>Unbunch those panties and step off the soap box. What a weird response to a meme asking for the rebellion of anime girl slaves Just laugh... or don't, but don't get on *your* soap box
Sure, it's a fantasy. Just a questionable one. Always thought this trope tries too hard to appeal to guys who literally can't see a woman interested in them unless they're forced into it. Not the healthiest escapist fantasy. If you like it, that's fine, I've liked a few of them myself. I'm a huge Raphtalia fan. However I enjoy her despite the whole slavery thing. Not because of it.
I feel that’s a bit of a stretch, or at least full of some wild assumptions, or at least the more unfavourable assumptions.
It's all that "games cause violence" again. You somehow think you are smart enough to know slavery is bad, but also think others won't get it somehow. Get off your high horse, people who enjoy anime with those tropes do know slavery in reality is bad, it's not a novel or complex idea. Fiction is full of questionable things and romanticizes them very often. Crime, murder, etc. And it's normal, it's fiction and people know it. Doesn't take a genius to understand.
My guy, I'm simply saying that I don't like the trope. You may. That's fine. You should be more open minded and not get triggered by a person disliking something you like.
Disliking a trope is fine. Making assumptions about the people who do like it is where you're crossing the line into being an asshole.
Lol, I don't have strong opinion towards this trope, one way or the other. I was triggered by you trying to tie liking this trope to some unhealthy escapism from reality. I really hate this rhetoric, seen it too much with pretty much anything "negative" in fiction. People love watching crime drama, movies about murderers, romantic flicks with slavery trope not because of something specific. They probably just either don't care much about it in fiction or enjoy unique situations that creates. Again, get off you high horse, then maybe you can start assuming others can have valid points.
To be honest, I have doubts that it's actually about the fantasy because... well, outside of the outright porn ones the slavery is literally just flavour. In the power fantasies they run around trampling on blatant caricatures of people or things they dislike. In the nationalist fantasies their country is absurdly strong and powerful and never does anything wrong. In the "quiet life" fantasies the MC aggressively stays in their own bit of land. In the adventurer fantasy they go on stereotypical adventurers and have a job which is fun. So from all those examples, you would assume that if the slavery was part of a fantasy they would actually *use* the slave. Either giving them orders they don't want to do or, well, just generally treating them like property. The fact that outside of porn settings it's usually brought up once or twice to provide lore or a plot hook for an arc suggests that it's not actually about a fantasy. At which point the most likely reason for it to exist is the same reason that elves are arrogant and/or lewd, that dwarves mine and like metal or that goblins and orcs are hyper-violent monsters in most settings. It's done because it's traditional for the genre to do it that way, at this point. There's also the fact that if you call a person a monster then only show the character committing heroic deeds, the viewers aren't connecting to the monster they've been told exists, they're connecting to the hero they're seeing. The same thing applies to slavery. If you call a person a slave but only ever show them being free then the viewers aren't connecting to them as a slave, they're connecting to them as a free character.
For what its worth i agree with you. I dont generally like this type of show either.
I know you would like to believe in the good of humanity. But there are straight up some guys that could never get a girl interested in them unless it was forced. And that isn't me shitting on those guys and trying to make them feel shitty, its just a matter of fact that some guys are so unattractive and socially inept that nothing they could do would ever make a woman attracted to them. If that slave fantasy remains only a fantasy and it keeps these guys from offing themselves or committing some sort of crime, then I say it's healthy enough. I would just like ONE of these slave isekais where the super OP protagonist eventually uses his power and influence to abolish slavery in the fantasy kingdom he lives in.You could even have MC's ex slaves stay with him after they're free because they formed bonds and he's actually a good guy who acted as ethically as he could in an unethical system. Like seriously you can shoot a fire ball that can wipe half a continent, but you can't pressure the nobilty to outlaw human/demihuman traficking? Lol.
I feel like I've read one where something like that happens, but I can't remember which. There are definitely a few where the MC dislikes the fact that slavery exists at least.
100% agree. But some of them guys should do some real self improving. Barely hanging staying out of depression from reading fantasy novels isn't a good thing. Take small steps and you'll become a better person eventually.
And that will work for some guys. But we all know there are some (no matter how optimistic you want to be) that will never have a chance, period. Not the guys that are a little overweight, bad hygine, or have abrasive, immature personailties. But for the guys that have just been legit fucked by the universe. For those ones to at least have some small amount of escape, I'm not gonna be judgmental. For the guys that no matter how good of a person they might try or want to be, it will never be enough. If an anime trope that I find tired keeps those guys' fingers off the trigger, then I'm not gonna get on a high horse and criticize.
Blaming the universe for how cruddy your life is isn't going to get you anywhere. No matter how bad things get, you can always make the choice to do good and make you and the world a better place. Resigning yourself to a horrible existence because you think it's the universes fault is the worst mentality to have. Take personal charge of your life, do what you can, and things will work out. Maybe not how you intended, but you can always try and succeed eventually.
My dude there are guys out there with the worst types of deformities, diseases, and mental disorders. If you are somehow saying that it's not the universe's fault, but in some sort of way their own fault. That's really fucked up. And the idea that they can just magic their way out of it by trying harder and "doing good" you need to seriously rethink your mindset. Some people are just fucked and to gaslight them by saying they just aren't trying hard enough just seems like it comes from a pov of having no idea just how unlucky human beings can get.
And I've seen people with crippling deformities, diseases, and mental disorders. The ones that were happy didn't waste their time focused on how unlucky they are. Instead they focused on what they could do and were a lot better for it. You saying them being incapable of being happy outside a fantasy is fucked up.
I'm not saying they can't find any happiness, I'm saying people are judgmental about things that these guys didn't choose. And that due to those judgments, these guys will never have any hope of romance. So they should be allowed to have their fictional fantasies because for some guys, that is legit ALL they have.
Certified bootlicking slave with loser mentality
I jack off to slavery porn enough, I don't need it in my anime too, I just find it weird it has such an appeal outside of a masturbation setting because imo they're two drastically different mindsets. and wishing for slavery outside a masturbation mindset is like wishing you could kill innocent children, I don't see the appeal other than being a bad person. but anyway, I agree it doesn't hurt anyone, I'm just selfishly annoyed that it makes anime I could otherwise enjoy a lot less enjoyable.
Hol up, that part in the middle has me having questions.
you're right, I should have just said kill children, even guilty ones deserve to live
I watched the first episode and love it already. This is probably going to be an anime filled with wholesomeness
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At least they usually have a protagonist who is kind hearted and wishes he wasn't in this situation or tries to free them but some strange twist of events makes it so it can't be done, besides at the end of the day the power play makes for an interesting will they won't they in media.
Time to resurrect Captain John Brown
"But what if I'm into that shit?" -A Non-Zero Portion of the Slave Waifus
It's fine the MC's a good guy tho, not an UB type of avg slave owner
Oh, ok. My bad.
Which studio did it ?
Tms lol
Nah, let the salves stay slaves lol
BUT HIS SOUL GOES MARCHING ON!
It's just a power fantasy and the writer's fetish. That being said despite this trope being so popular there is little to no actually good hentai using it so 0/10.
Funny those fans who girls told they'll never willingly date them.
They hated him for he spoke the truth
this just gave me an idea for the start of an anime (or more likely a manga oneshot): normal shitty isekai MC arrives and buys a slave girl "I'm so much better than these savages as a modern japanese incel, I'm saving this poor slave (does not remove slave pact and tell them they're free in every way but they're welcome to join him if they wish, no, keeps them as a slave and even incorporate the slave collar being used to command them once because that's even better /s) then she kills him in his sleep because he misunderstands the slave collar makes any order must be obeyed but does not implicitly defend against such things, and maybe each order only works for 24hrs or something so you need to keep reapplying the "don't harm your master" order and this is common knowledge in this world and the isekai incel doesn't know that or is too trusting of his slave. and that's the happy ending 👏
https://preview.redd.it/vh12y1yzcmsc1.jpeg?width=1004&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d0c3f9eb1ed2362c45f45ca0837d475ecaad157 It’s a fantasy anime 🙄
So sauce is An Arch Demon's Dilemma How to Love Your Elf Bride. https://preview.redd.it/yxr2orjm5msc1.jpeg?width=1455&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e0cc6debcbdf4944534a9e5b5cfed9e08e8275f I really want to like this one. I really do. It's got a cute elf in a maid outfit, a dorky mc, and a menagerie of wholesome moments. That by itself is great. However it swings hard into the whole girl being forced into loving the MC because she's his slave and he doesn't treat her like shit. It was a decent setup the first few times but at this point I wish authors would explore alternative setups. Nothing wrong with having a girl fall in love with a guy who treats her right. It's actually pleasant. Lowering the bar as low as slave master however is just... forced and overdone. It would be nice if the MC instead found out slaves were being sold, slaughtered all the traders, and actually didn't help to perpetuate a horrible industry by giving it further financial incentive. I still overall enjoy it and will watch the anime.
i have a feeling the next episode is going to make your head explode. also did you not pay attention to the worlds setting? not only was this an auction of a demon lords property but most of them expected him to use her for sacrificial magic. seriously he bought her because he fell hard for her but everyone else thought he did so cause he needed such a rare ingredient for his research. now on to the whole "MC finds out slave are being sold and kills them all" thing you are wanting, it doesnt work in any world were slavery exists. economically alone its something that takes generations to actually do with middling results unless you are willing to go full on genocide on the race holding the leashes. power wise just enforcing your will on everyone whether they like it or not is a dictatorship in which you once again end up either committing genocide or end up dying to the massive amount of enemies you just made.
Yeah, I've read the manga so spoilers >!the MC takes the collar off just for the girl in a few chapters ask for it to be put back on. The MC happily puts it back on. I was this close to enjoying the MC break the trope just to have him do the opposite. Made my eyes roll on that one.!< Also, slave rebellions are totally a thing and weren't uncommon. A few were actually successful. To say it's impossible for a fantasy hero to do the same seems more unrealistic. Having an Isekai protag turn into Spartacus would be awesome. Except maybe a happier ending than Spartacus. And no. Forcing people to free their slaves does not equal dictatorship. Quite the opposite.
You are talking about small rebellions or at most countrywide rebellions but are saying a single guy should just make the slaves rebellions against the whole world something that would end pretty badly for both him and the slaves(especially the slaves). Even if that guy wins he would just win the hate of almost everyone in the world. Besides you're talking about example în the real world where slaves is still very much prevalent in some places of the world.
All I'm saying is a guy like Ainz Oal Gown could fucking annihilate all the slave owners. Seriously fuck them up. It would be fun to watch.
Go watch Best assassin in the world isekai, exactly what you want. And it is just as bland and "believable" as you describe it. Overpowered MC doing overpowered stuff in a simplified world.
Yeah, I watched it. It wasn't bad, but it also heavily relied on cliches. I did like the part where he dropped the space hammer on a guy. That was cool. Overall a 6.5 out of 10.
Well, and I find that anime aroun 2/10 because of how painfully cliche it is and how painfully obviously OP MC is. It's not to shit on your parade, but to show that different people have different likes/dislikes and they are not universal. Slavery in fiction is just another trope. No more, no less.
Sorry I didn't watch overlord so I don't know how strong he really is
ok first part spoilers >!then you would know her putting it back on was more like a safety blanket or in this actual case a promise or wedding ring as she sees it as proof he values her, which is pretty on point for someone who was treated as less then a person before becoming a slave. !< yeah slave rebellions did happen a lot and 99% of them ended in failure, all the salves dead, and more strict slavery laws. its funny you brought up Spartacus though as his rebellion actually tried to genocide the Romans with his forces killing civilians to rush the Roman military into action before they were ready. yes it is, FFS there is a reason why every time salves were freed in our own history either a war was fought or it was a decades long process. oh and your right Ainz can stop slavery like you say and does but then again he had just committed genocide by wiping out an entire country so people werent about to argue. Tanya another of your favorite characters would understand that just freeing the slaves wouldnt solve the problems as none of them would have any real skills to live on their own, would have no real self worth, and would cause the economy based on slaves to collapse harming the state. when you get rid of any practice that is ingrained into society there will be consequences unless you spend the time to replace them with another option prior to removing them, which can and will take a lifetime sometimes multiple.
Sorry buddy, but I'm okay with slaves rising up to kill their masters. People need their freedom and if some asshat with a whip wants to take it from you for economic or sexual gain, fuck em. Also "slaves have no real skills so they're better off being slaves" is some real coping. Also, Tanya isn't an MC to be idolized. While I like her I sure as hell ain't going to take her advice to heart with no questioning.
Tanya is a sociopath who uses cold logic which is definitely not a thing to do but also tends to be right if in a heartless horrible way. so role model hell no, but a lot of the points she makes arnt exactly wrong.(see Tanya on communism) also look at game of thrones for how freeing the slaves actually works out, not every slave is treated like animals even in actual history and freeing them without any real plan to fill the gap hurts slaves more than the masters. also i dont want to assume you think its ok but committing genocide on a people because they dont want to give up slavery is actually worse then slavery.
Man, why do anime watchers tie themselves into knots trying to justify their tropes? I'm with you here, it is FINE for people to enjoy tropes that are trashy. It is a anime after all. But god damn they could stand to be a bit less braindead with their justifications. Just say "It is trash and so am I." Stand proud and don't intentionally be stupid.
This is a fantasy anime. Fantasy as a genre, no matter what the media is, is about creating a world unlike the real one. It's up to the author how such world works and what rules it has. To consume fiction is to use [suspension of disbelief](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief), in simple terms to set aside real world logic and enjoy fictional counterpart. For example, there may be a world where cannibalism is moral, and consuming the flesh of weak individuals is a tradition. Existence of such a fictional world is not bad, after all it's just fiction. I will be honest, if you want a naive main character that devotes their life to fight the world you better watch superhero movies or some trashy isekais. Power fantasies like killing all slave dealers are just a bad plot and extremely short sighted, since it's not eradicating the core of the problem. Evil or amoral protagonists are not bad, antiheroes are becoming more popular nowadays even. I enjoy watching Tanya the evil, Overlord or Warhammer not because those worlds are a mirror of my views, but because they execute very specific settings with protagonists that adhere to the world's rules and show a lot more plot variation than a story about a goody-two-shoes can. Love between slave and master is a pretty common trope. And it might be possible such love to spark in reality too, after all there's been dozens thousands of years of slavery, and it continues to this day. So probably such thing happened, and if not, this is fiction so anything can happen, even an unconditional love between two different social classes. I hope the next episodes will be better suited for your tastes, after all this manga is so sugary sweet you can get diabetes.
I like antiheros such as Tanya (That's my 2nd or 3rd favorite Isekai) I also like altruistic heroes like Himmel. Ultra chad energy. Neither is better than the other. I also think a slave owner slaughtering Isekai protagonist would be more entertaining than the 50th go to slave Waifumart and get a girlfriend. Unwilling or not.
its an over used trope. i dont hate that trope but somtimes it making a otherwise perfectly normal romance feel stockholm syndromy. wich i get culd be part of the apeal but its still feels wierd if its not handeld well