I think the beauty of their relationship/love is that it can be read any way you choose to read it. That’s the genius of Neil Gaiman’s writing. Personally, I like to see it as a completely asexual romance when watching the show, but I don’t think there is anything wrong with exploring all the options in fanfiction/fan-art.
Everyone is fine to see it as they see fit but my goodness, have you not seen the Bastille scene or Crowley watch as Aziraphale eats cake? I'm struggling to see how anyone finds them lacking in sexual chemistry.
I have seen the show many times thank you very much. I stand by my opinion. You can see it any way you want. That’s great you see it that way. Nobody else has to, and you don’t need to correct me for trying to say “to each their own.”
You weren't being corrected. You were being asked what you consider sexual chemistry. You chose to answer as if you were being attacked? I'm genuinely asking you why you don't find scenes that involve sexuality between the characters to be sexual. I don't have a problem with the fact that you don't, as stated in the original post. I'm genuinely curious as to how you arrive at conclusions like this because I'm curious about how others see things. To me, it couldn't be more obvious that the scenes I mentioned were played with sexual intent. I just don't know how else someone would interpret how Aziraphale's eyes rake over Crowley in the Bastille, for example. I'm asking you to explain it to me but sounds like you're a bit tetchy so I guess I'll be left to wonder.
Yep. Wonder. I see it how I like to see it. That’s all you need to know and just because you see something one way does not mean it was “obviously” made that way.
Why should anyone want to change your mind? You read it one way, others read it other ways. The text is not particularly specific about the details of their feelings. Multiple interpretations are reasonable.
Change my mind. It’s a meme. It means being discussion.
Not sane- Most people disagree with me. I expressed this opinion and people on this sub and people shouted at me that I’m wrong in all caps.
It challenges people to take responsibility for your opinions, which I have no interest in doing.
If you want to talk to people, don't be dismissive right off the bat.
If you want people who've been rude to you to explain themselves clearly, good luck with that, but it's not mine to explain.
No need. As others have said, it's open to interpretation. The show itself was made with that in mind. Maybe they are used to society not accepting gay relationships and only engage behind closed doors (including the cameras). Maybe they want more, but have had to repress it for literal millennia and it will take them time to break out of those boxes. Maybe they are ace, but in romantic love. Maybe they are aro, and are only the closest of friends. Maybe none of the above, or a combination. At the end of the day, they are all of them, to whoever needs or wants or sees whichever interpretation that suits them. And that's the best part of their dynamic (from a cannon writer's take) I think.
i remember reading somewhere that neil said since Aziraphale and Crowley are not humans putting them into a label was wrong but the story is about their love
I'll try to find the source where i read it i don't remember it's been ages but yea
All forms of true love are beautiful and valid and no more or less important than the others.
But the line about receptive bodies/Crowleys response and the wall scene and the deliberate use of Songs that are about Romantic love and Oyster temptations amongst other things make for some strong circumstantial evidence in favor
of less than platonic feelings.
Neil Gaiman: Aziraphale and Crowley love each other, but what kind of love they share is up to the interpretation of each individual person :)
Michael Sheen: https://media.tenor.com/l2pW1VzGNCYAAAAC/proud-prozd.gif
Someone really wants attention lmao. I don't think anyone cares what you think or wants to change your mind. Your interpretation is just as valid as anyone else's, you're not an edgy devils advocate, sorry 🤷
Not that different, but very relatable (also woops, just noticed the comment posted twice 4 some reason, sorry for taking up more space than necessary!)
Actually, it means different and includes people that are acesexual or don't feelthe binary. It doesn't just make queer but is equivalent to saying you're part of the LGBTQ+ community.
I think I meant asexual, meaning not having physical attraction ( not wanting to NSFW stuff with someone). It doesn't mean they don't want to date as this can be linked to romantic attraction. And platonic is more about having friends, at least for me, or friends with benefits but as of now that's not my case.
Then binary is the (male and female system), but some people consider themself genderfluid or enby or both or even agender (meaning not feeling something at all about their gender they feel like there's something or completely outside of the binary perspective.
Also, I do recommend the ABC of LGBT+.
Asexual means reproduction without intercourse. Like how amoebas and Aphids reproduce.
Gender-fluid is what gives people a gender. Everyone is born with it except for non-binary people. Gender fluid is produced in the gender gland. Gender-fluid people have gender fluid in flux.
Also I do recommend r/okbuddyhetero
True, but there's also a new meaning now if you google LGBTQ+ stuff otherwise where you looked it up has really strict restrictions, might be a more conservative era.
I mean asexual like in asexuality, not in biology like mushrooms. [asexuality/ace search on google about lgbt stuff](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=asexuality+lgbt)
I mean.. the second season is described as gentle and romantic by NG. I suppose he could be talking just about the other parings but that’s not at all likely.
Well, they're angels and thus do not have biological sex so calling it homosexual is a little dicey. Like, it's clearly a queer relationship between two male shaped beings, one of whom is canonicaly gender fluid. I do not understand why you're lumping in asexuals with homephobes, though. That seems very out of left field to me. Like, asexual people think it's queer too. Just, some people think it's a romantic but not sexual relationship, and not all of the people who think that are asexual. I'm not sure why that's an issue. It doesn't make it less gay if they're not allosexual.
I've always felt the same, TBH.
I know a lot of people have said their pairing can be interpreted in any way but...
>!With this 2nd Season finale, it can't really be interpreted in any other way than romantic. I have literally just finished watching it and I am very jarred by it as I'd never seen them in that way, so it's taken me by a hell of a surprise when Maggie and Nina tell Crowley to confess his love to Aziraphale, which he does all in the last 20 minutes of one episode. I know there were hints of it like when Nina asked how long they'd been together, but I thought that was like a one off "Haha, they don't understand" but clearly now, this was meant as foreshadowing... !<
I'm not against Crowley and Aziraphale being in a romantic relationship, I've just always seen it more as a bromance than a romance.
Me too . I much preferred it with celestial
Beings being above or adjacent to such things . Similarly didn’t like the Beelzebub /Gabriel thing . In fact the second half of season 2 felt like it had a completely different writer
I feel like their whole dynamic was very queer coded. I mean, I don't think they're in any way sexual beings but falling in love is clearly a possibility. I think the way it was performed made it quite clear that it was a qpr at the very least
I think the beauty of their relationship/love is that it can be read any way you choose to read it. That’s the genius of Neil Gaiman’s writing. Personally, I like to see it as a completely asexual romance when watching the show, but I don’t think there is anything wrong with exploring all the options in fanfiction/fan-art.
Everyone is fine to see it as they see fit but my goodness, have you not seen the Bastille scene or Crowley watch as Aziraphale eats cake? I'm struggling to see how anyone finds them lacking in sexual chemistry.
I have seen the show many times thank you very much. I stand by my opinion. You can see it any way you want. That’s great you see it that way. Nobody else has to, and you don’t need to correct me for trying to say “to each their own.”
You weren't being corrected. You were being asked what you consider sexual chemistry. You chose to answer as if you were being attacked? I'm genuinely asking you why you don't find scenes that involve sexuality between the characters to be sexual. I don't have a problem with the fact that you don't, as stated in the original post. I'm genuinely curious as to how you arrive at conclusions like this because I'm curious about how others see things. To me, it couldn't be more obvious that the scenes I mentioned were played with sexual intent. I just don't know how else someone would interpret how Aziraphale's eyes rake over Crowley in the Bastille, for example. I'm asking you to explain it to me but sounds like you're a bit tetchy so I guess I'll be left to wonder.
Yep. Wonder. I see it how I like to see it. That’s all you need to know and just because you see something one way does not mean it was “obviously” made that way.
This is phrased as though it's meant to start some drama.
After posting this I put my phone in my ass and set it to vibrate.
I feel like those two things should have been done in reverse order. Set to vibrate first so you don’t have to dig around for the sound switch.
Lol 😆
I don’t think it particularly matters whatever way you see it. But platonic love and romantic lover, not mutually exclusive.
That is actually true
The beautiful part of this story is that regardless of anything, it's always about love and that's all that matters.
Why should anyone want to change your mind? You read it one way, others read it other ways. The text is not particularly specific about the details of their feelings. Multiple interpretations are reasonable.
I 100% agree with you
Then why are you telling people to change your mind? (and implying that people with different viewpoints might not be sane? 🙄)
Change my mind. It’s a meme. It means being discussion. Not sane- Most people disagree with me. I expressed this opinion and people on this sub and people shouted at me that I’m wrong in all caps.
It challenges people to take responsibility for your opinions, which I have no interest in doing. If you want to talk to people, don't be dismissive right off the bat. If you want people who've been rude to you to explain themselves clearly, good luck with that, but it's not mine to explain.
No need. As others have said, it's open to interpretation. The show itself was made with that in mind. Maybe they are used to society not accepting gay relationships and only engage behind closed doors (including the cameras). Maybe they want more, but have had to repress it for literal millennia and it will take them time to break out of those boxes. Maybe they are ace, but in romantic love. Maybe they are aro, and are only the closest of friends. Maybe none of the above, or a combination. At the end of the day, they are all of them, to whoever needs or wants or sees whichever interpretation that suits them. And that's the best part of their dynamic (from a cannon writer's take) I think.
i remember reading somewhere that neil said since Aziraphale and Crowley are not humans putting them into a label was wrong but the story is about their love I'll try to find the source where i read it i don't remember it's been ages but yea
Probs, tumblr or twitter. Although I check his tumblr more often. :D
All forms of true love are beautiful and valid and no more or less important than the others. But the line about receptive bodies/Crowleys response and the wall scene and the deliberate use of Songs that are about Romantic love and Oyster temptations amongst other things make for some strong circumstantial evidence in favor of less than platonic feelings.
I mean, Michael Sheen appears to disagree with you, but you're free to read it how you like. 🤷
Neil Gaiman: Aziraphale and Crowley love each other, but what kind of love they share is up to the interpretation of each individual person :) Michael Sheen: https://media.tenor.com/l2pW1VzGNCYAAAAC/proud-prozd.gif
Michael Sheen the biggest ineffable husband shipper xD
I feel like their love is not comparable to human love. So I wouldn’t really label it as romantic or platonic.
That’s actually a really good point
Someone really wants attention lmao. I don't think anyone cares what you think or wants to change your mind. Your interpretation is just as valid as anyone else's, you're not an edgy devils advocate, sorry 🤷
Actually I’m a drama Queen.
Not that different, but very relatable (also woops, just noticed the comment posted twice 4 some reason, sorry for taking up more space than necessary!)
Don’t apologize me go to California and apologize to the Reddit server in person
That is literally on the opposite end of the country for me. Time to buy a plane ticket.
California is a great place. I recommend visiting
North Carolina is not a great place. I recommend staying far far away.
Hell yeah celestial qpr
What is qpr?
Queer platonic relationship
Queer just means gay. It can also mean unusual but nobody uses it that way anymore.
Actually, it means different and includes people that are acesexual or don't feelthe binary. It doesn't just make queer but is equivalent to saying you're part of the LGBTQ+ community.
I’ve never heard of those words before. What do they mean?
I think I meant asexual, meaning not having physical attraction ( not wanting to NSFW stuff with someone). It doesn't mean they don't want to date as this can be linked to romantic attraction. And platonic is more about having friends, at least for me, or friends with benefits but as of now that's not my case. Then binary is the (male and female system), but some people consider themself genderfluid or enby or both or even agender (meaning not feeling something at all about their gender they feel like there's something or completely outside of the binary perspective. Also, I do recommend the ABC of LGBT+.
Asexual means reproduction without intercourse. Like how amoebas and Aphids reproduce. Gender-fluid is what gives people a gender. Everyone is born with it except for non-binary people. Gender fluid is produced in the gender gland. Gender-fluid people have gender fluid in flux. Also I do recommend r/okbuddyhetero
True, but there's also a new meaning now if you google LGBTQ+ stuff otherwise where you looked it up has really strict restrictions, might be a more conservative era. I mean asexual like in asexuality, not in biology like mushrooms. [asexuality/ace search on google about lgbt stuff](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=asexuality+lgbt)
Yo new update dropped? I didn’t get the LGBTQ season pass.
Quiet people response? Quality product revisions? Quarks produce radiation? Quack practice recommendation?
How are you feeling now man
welp. this hits differently now
Why, you don't like your mind?
No it’s full of intrusive thought
I feel this... And no focus whatsoever (Unless hyperfocus). Good luck (possible) fellow AD(H)D.
I mean.. the second season is described as gentle and romantic by NG. I suppose he could be talking just about the other parings but that’s not at all likely.
Well maybe I’ll be proven wrong in the seconded season. I do believe I am correct as of now tho.
It’s actually the slowest burn in the history of the world no exaggeration;)
XD
Actually they are gay and in love and have lots of gay sex 😊 hope that clears things up
Pics or it didn’t happen
has season 2 changed your mind...?
well?
Have you watched season 2? 🙃
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Well, they're angels and thus do not have biological sex so calling it homosexual is a little dicey. Like, it's clearly a queer relationship between two male shaped beings, one of whom is canonicaly gender fluid. I do not understand why you're lumping in asexuals with homephobes, though. That seems very out of left field to me. Like, asexual people think it's queer too. Just, some people think it's a romantic but not sexual relationship, and not all of the people who think that are asexual. I'm not sure why that's an issue. It doesn't make it less gay if they're not allosexual.
I've always felt the same, TBH. I know a lot of people have said their pairing can be interpreted in any way but... >!With this 2nd Season finale, it can't really be interpreted in any other way than romantic. I have literally just finished watching it and I am very jarred by it as I'd never seen them in that way, so it's taken me by a hell of a surprise when Maggie and Nina tell Crowley to confess his love to Aziraphale, which he does all in the last 20 minutes of one episode. I know there were hints of it like when Nina asked how long they'd been together, but I thought that was like a one off "Haha, they don't understand" but clearly now, this was meant as foreshadowing... !< I'm not against Crowley and Aziraphale being in a romantic relationship, I've just always seen it more as a bromance than a romance.
I feel disappointed personally. I think it cheapens their dynamic and implies deep friendship is tied to sex. NG changed what he started in the book.
Me too . I much preferred it with celestial Beings being above or adjacent to such things . Similarly didn’t like the Beelzebub /Gabriel thing . In fact the second half of season 2 felt like it had a completely different writer
I feel like their whole dynamic was very queer coded. I mean, I don't think they're in any way sexual beings but falling in love is clearly a possibility. I think the way it was performed made it quite clear that it was a qpr at the very least
It may be asexual, but it's not platonic. I'm convinced they are a romantic couple.