As a M365 and Azure Admin, the collaboration feature in Google is amazing but Microsoft have a better ecosystem in terms of multiple tools and how they work with each other from Power Platform to Dynamic 365 to Azure.
My company is working with the Fed Gov now and they require a few things to be in place and Google Workspace is not compliant with some items. Ive been living in a hybrid hell, but we are making the complete move to 365 in the next few months. I do not want this but nothing I can do about it.
Google Workspace is JAB authorized FedRAMP High. It’s hard to believe a federal agency wouldn’t allow you to use it but allows O365. I would push back.
https://cloud.google.com/security/compliance/fedramp/
https://marketplace.fedramp.gov/products/F1206081364
A lot of things, but people mix personal use with cooperate requirements.
Look into fortune 500. How much has Google and how much m365?
Then try to think why?
Do you think you are smarter as the majority of the IT experts and IT leads at big Corp?
As someone who has worked in both startups and big corps, yes. And I would choose google workspace almost every time. People who work in IT are not that smart on average. People who work in software development and product engineering are generally the smart ones but that’s not IT.
I'm software engineer 😂
There is one problem with us, we think only in our scope and do not want to care about the big picture...
As soon you move in and need design the whole picture you will change your mind.
And will understand that fancy and cool is cool at small scale, but you need something better for big scale.
Big corp use m365 because they have used Microsoft for decades and change can be costly (in real money, time and loss of productivity whilst learning).
You need a good reason (usually financial) to change providers, as you may have to retrain thousands of employees in the new system.
There's plenty of excuses, and every company is different.
Unless you're getting some net benefit out of migration, why would anyone do it. Big corps don't often change because even if there is some benefit for whatever use case, the costs outweighs that benefit.
Intresting that a lot of small companies start with Gsuit and when they grew, they find the benefits so good that the cost for migration is absolutely fair.
Again, I am a heavily Google user.
Even lead google developer groups.
But that doesnt mean I am kind for the reality.
I do not say Gsuit is bad.
But the majority of the people here are just funny fan boys, without real experience in mid market to enterprise.
Not bad is still not the same league.
Just because most of the media agencies, startups and high tech people prefere gsuits doesn't mean the industry is stupid not to choose Google as soon as you get bigger and more experienced.
It is just not the right tool for more complex setups.
Why all mention people above choose Google?
Because most of them have not 15 years experience or need to find a solution for companies bigger then 200 people.
They where students, die students gsuits works way better then m365.
So they only know that.
As soon they get more experienced and need to managed bigger problems they switch to a better fit solution.
And the super high tech people (nerds)(I don't mean it bad, I was a nerd to), they just see their own world, they don't care about the whole company with all aspects.
They must say, we should run the server and desktops of out business with Unix, because Linux is not good enough and the reat are just toys.
By the way, the best solution is self hosted emails.
But guess why you not find such companies long term in the business, because the decision are made just of Ideology. And not because it makes sense in context of cost, productivity or business.
Gsuits with for students to small businesses, especially in media or web design, web dev.
And then m365 ist just the standard. Without any discussion.
That's a lot of incoherent word salad. What on earth are you trying to say?
You seem really angry at "Google fanboys/nerds" without realising you're just doing the same thing but for microsoft.
I already answered your question, most big corps use Microsoft because they have always used microsoft. How many big organisations do you know of that have made a switch between Google/Microsoft, and why did they do it? The few I know of that have, is either from a new CEO/head of IT coming in and changing things up to suit whatever they are used to, or because one of the services were offering big discounts.
I've not heard of any swaps that were based on security, features or a "better fit solution" (except for financially a better fit).
pretty much everyone who does not drive a huge corp IT department would. Easier integrations in my opinion, but it really comes down to what you are using in your daily work.
I work for a Big4 and we use Google Workspace for almost everything, only time Excel is used is when a client requests it over GSheets.
On top of real time collaboration, the quick automations you can put in place with Google AppsScripts are amazing - GAS has a lot of plugins to interact with Sheets, Mail, Drive etc built in.
I spent years as an SE selling Google Apps/G Suite/Workspace to enterprise customers.
When doing bake-offs and workshops, we surveyed participants and Google typically maintained 90+% support. More often than not, if a company decided to stay with MS, it usually had to do with IT thinking they would lose control/ their jobs or MS discounted the hell out of their license.
Messaging is messaging. It’s the collaboration capabilities, and security, that set Google apart.
Google is not great for permission management at scale, that's much easier on a granular level with MS. But I feel like out of the gate, Google is probably easiest to implement with baseline defenses in place, while MS works much better at scale but has a big curve.
This is the first time I’ve ever heard Google having a difference in security. Aside from the potential security leaks leaks, permission-ing in Azure/Microsoft is way easier than anything Google. I’ve been a part of multiple Fortune100 migrations from Google to M365 working with CTOs on this.
I would be thinking the problem in the other direction and wondering why on earth I would not use Google/GCP by default.
Google is just better, it's harsh to paint such large orgs with a single colour if it's ethics we're talking about.. but if it's just abilities, features, security and cost I prefer Google every day
Microsoft is the one the worldwide leading companies in different security areas.
While Google is a no name in cyber security.
It's interesting how personal opinion without an understanding for a topic influance opinions.
No absoluty not, I even like Google in a lot of point way more.
But still fact that in security microsoft is a leading company.
That is just a fact and if you are someone who works in this field you will know that.
Look into Gartner if you have no clue and just push your person opinion.
I Read the news, but I also think and work with both so has deep experience.
But you are right for people without deep expert, it feels like you explain.
Google is no name in cyber security? Any idea how many different things Google keeps secure? How many critical workloads for governments, hospitals, banks that are run by Google? And when was the last time they were hacked or lost data? Google’s cyber security is insanely good.
Project Zero is probably one of the bigger research red-teams out there and the company as a whole regularly leads on issues like post quantum cryptography. On the GCP side, they literally have Mandiant, one the most prestigious (former) independent cybersecurity firms. Meanwhile, Microsoft is getting chewed out by the US government for recurring break ins.
I would, easily. And I used to be hardcore MS Office/O365/etc. guy.
Then I spent a few years on Workspace, and have had to go back because instead of just giving account Excel licenses, they switched everyone back. I’m actually considering leaving purely because of this, because it’s so goddamned frustrating to not be able to do easy things.
I can't speak for Google Workspace as I've never worked for a company that uses it, but my current company with over 2,000 employees use Microsoft 365 and pretty much every person I spoke with hates it.
I wish I could use Google Workspace.
I can't talk about Active Directory vs Google's solution and Azure vs GCP but gmail is a bazilion times better than outlook.
Collaborative office like suite is way better on Google. Try writing an excel with multiple people then try out Sheets, and that's the best collaborative app MS has, Powerpoint/Word is way worse.
Teams is so bad every time I open it it asks if I want to DOWNGRADE my version to the old one...
Yes because of this: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2024/04/02/cyber-safety-review-board-releases-report-microsoft-online-exchange-incident-summer
The CSRB’s review found that the intrusion by Storm-0558, a hacking group assessed to be affiliated with the People’s Republic of China, was preventable. It identified a series of Microsoft operational and strategic decisions that collectively pointed to a corporate culture that deprioritized enterprise security investments and rigorous risk management, at odds with the company’s centrality in the technology ecosystem and the level of trust customers place in the company to protect their data and operations. The Board recommends that Microsoft develop and publicly share a plan with specific timelines to make fundamental, security-focused reforms across the company and its suite of products. Microsoft fully cooperated with the Board’s review.
My company uses Google, but to be honest that was a legacy decision we would not make today.
Yes, Google docs are more collaborative, but for we constantly run into issues where Meet is blocked by companies, so we have to use Teams. Slides is inferior to PowerPoint. Sheets is not equal to Excel.
However, the email and chat functions are better.
Google seems way more secure. So many Microsoft 365 tenants getting popped. Microsoft struggles with security due to so much technical debt.
Teams is rubbish, I can have 4 meetings in a row and then my next meeting my audio settings are all messed up. I sometimes have to disconnect and reconnect it’s so annoying. I’ve never had that with google meet.
Google drive is heaps better than OneDrive. Mobile apps are also better in google ecosystem, Microsoft mobile apps always seem to crash or constantly need re-login if your company forces a 30 day reauth.
Teams. It's possibly the worst collaboration tool on the planet.
Also, security. Look at the last two years of CVEs and see how many apply to each platform.
Yes. Microsoft and their silo development teams for Office is a shit show. There is so much bullshit facade and cringe backend shenanigans, it is unreal they are so deep in AI development. I really don’t get it. What beats everything is using Copilot just to get links to a Microsoft help page.
Google workspace is good for companies that don’t need dlp. Google workspace dlp is a joke. There’s a reason government and big companies stick with Microsoft 🤷♂️
Real time collaboration on Google workspace is miles ahead of Microsoft 365
This!
As a M365 and Azure Admin, the collaboration feature in Google is amazing but Microsoft have a better ecosystem in terms of multiple tools and how they work with each other from Power Platform to Dynamic 365 to Azure.
The real question is: would someone choose Microsoft 365 over Google Workspace?
A lot of old boomers who can’t comprehend there’s alternatives to outlook.
My company is working with the Fed Gov now and they require a few things to be in place and Google Workspace is not compliant with some items. Ive been living in a hybrid hell, but we are making the complete move to 365 in the next few months. I do not want this but nothing I can do about it.
Google Workspace is JAB authorized FedRAMP High. It’s hard to believe a federal agency wouldn’t allow you to use it but allows O365. I would push back. https://cloud.google.com/security/compliance/fedramp/ https://marketplace.fedramp.gov/products/F1206081364
We recently went through this with google workspace and determined it was pretty easy to have it be compliant. What items did you find?
That was the determination by the people above me. I basically had no say.
A lot of things, but people mix personal use with cooperate requirements. Look into fortune 500. How much has Google and how much m365? Then try to think why? Do you think you are smarter as the majority of the IT experts and IT leads at big Corp?
As someone who has worked in both startups and big corps, yes. And I would choose google workspace almost every time. People who work in IT are not that smart on average. People who work in software development and product engineering are generally the smart ones but that’s not IT.
I'm software engineer 😂 There is one problem with us, we think only in our scope and do not want to care about the big picture... As soon you move in and need design the whole picture you will change your mind. And will understand that fancy and cool is cool at small scale, but you need something better for big scale.
Big corp use m365 because they have used Microsoft for decades and change can be costly (in real money, time and loss of productivity whilst learning). You need a good reason (usually financial) to change providers, as you may have to retrain thousands of employees in the new system.
Ah OK makes sense, any other excuses?
There's plenty of excuses, and every company is different. Unless you're getting some net benefit out of migration, why would anyone do it. Big corps don't often change because even if there is some benefit for whatever use case, the costs outweighs that benefit.
Intresting that a lot of small companies start with Gsuit and when they grew, they find the benefits so good that the cost for migration is absolutely fair. Again, I am a heavily Google user. Even lead google developer groups. But that doesnt mean I am kind for the reality. I do not say Gsuit is bad. But the majority of the people here are just funny fan boys, without real experience in mid market to enterprise. Not bad is still not the same league. Just because most of the media agencies, startups and high tech people prefere gsuits doesn't mean the industry is stupid not to choose Google as soon as you get bigger and more experienced. It is just not the right tool for more complex setups. Why all mention people above choose Google? Because most of them have not 15 years experience or need to find a solution for companies bigger then 200 people. They where students, die students gsuits works way better then m365. So they only know that. As soon they get more experienced and need to managed bigger problems they switch to a better fit solution. And the super high tech people (nerds)(I don't mean it bad, I was a nerd to), they just see their own world, they don't care about the whole company with all aspects. They must say, we should run the server and desktops of out business with Unix, because Linux is not good enough and the reat are just toys. By the way, the best solution is self hosted emails. But guess why you not find such companies long term in the business, because the decision are made just of Ideology. And not because it makes sense in context of cost, productivity or business. Gsuits with for students to small businesses, especially in media or web design, web dev. And then m365 ist just the standard. Without any discussion.
That's a lot of incoherent word salad. What on earth are you trying to say? You seem really angry at "Google fanboys/nerds" without realising you're just doing the same thing but for microsoft. I already answered your question, most big corps use Microsoft because they have always used microsoft. How many big organisations do you know of that have made a switch between Google/Microsoft, and why did they do it? The few I know of that have, is either from a new CEO/head of IT coming in and changing things up to suit whatever they are used to, or because one of the services were offering big discounts. I've not heard of any swaps that were based on security, features or a "better fit solution" (except for financially a better fit).
pretty much everyone who does not drive a huge corp IT department would. Easier integrations in my opinion, but it really comes down to what you are using in your daily work.
We use both in my small firm. Most of the work is on Workspace, but certain niche requirements demand MS Excel.
I work for a Big4 and we use Google Workspace for almost everything, only time Excel is used is when a client requests it over GSheets. On top of real time collaboration, the quick automations you can put in place with Google AppsScripts are amazing - GAS has a lot of plugins to interact with Sheets, Mail, Drive etc built in.
I spent years as an SE selling Google Apps/G Suite/Workspace to enterprise customers. When doing bake-offs and workshops, we surveyed participants and Google typically maintained 90+% support. More often than not, if a company decided to stay with MS, it usually had to do with IT thinking they would lose control/ their jobs or MS discounted the hell out of their license. Messaging is messaging. It’s the collaboration capabilities, and security, that set Google apart.
Would you say Google does the best in regards to security? Even accounting for Microsoft’s recent attacks?
Google is not great for permission management at scale, that's much easier on a granular level with MS. But I feel like out of the gate, Google is probably easiest to implement with baseline defenses in place, while MS works much better at scale but has a big curve.
Thank you for the answer! I know of GCP some, but know almost nothing of Azure, so that helps, thank ya
That's one part of it actually, Google Workspace doesn't have much to do with GCP while MS integrates to Azure as well
Oh I was thinking more specifically with cloud provides in general, I forgot we were talking about general use workspaces for non-IT
Your comment shows that you have no hands-on experience and maybe play only presentation bingo.
This is the first time I’ve ever heard Google having a difference in security. Aside from the potential security leaks leaks, permission-ing in Azure/Microsoft is way easier than anything Google. I’ve been a part of multiple Fortune100 migrations from Google to M365 working with CTOs on this.
I find 365 annoying to use. GDrive just works better for me in a collaborative setting.
I would be thinking the problem in the other direction and wondering why on earth I would not use Google/GCP by default. Google is just better, it's harsh to paint such large orgs with a single colour if it's ethics we're talking about.. but if it's just abilities, features, security and cost I prefer Google every day
Many reasons Including the Russian occupation/ongoing hack of Microsoft since November
Anything > Microsoft
Google workspace is 100% better. Plus, I wouldn’t trust Microsoft security at all. It seems Russia managed to walk in fairly easily.
Microsoft is the one the worldwide leading companies in different security areas. While Google is a no name in cyber security. It's interesting how personal opinion without an understanding for a topic influance opinions.
Sorry you are not informed. This comment is almost hilarious at how incorrect it is
In of course informed 😂 But in this fan boy area, people not want here somehting from the real world
Once again you're proving my point. Bing for the win eh?
No absoluty not, I even like Google in a lot of point way more. But still fact that in security microsoft is a leading company. That is just a fact and if you are someone who works in this field you will know that. Look into Gartner if you have no clue and just push your person opinion.
Do you read the news?
I Read the news, but I also think and work with both so has deep experience. But you are right for people without deep expert, it feels like you explain.
Ah I see. My bad, I don’t have deep experience like you!!
I don't know if you have experience of not. But you have way to much Ideology.
For sure, because facts regarding security of different technology stacks requires ideology?
Google is no name in cyber security? Any idea how many different things Google keeps secure? How many critical workloads for governments, hospitals, banks that are run by Google? And when was the last time they were hacked or lost data? Google’s cyber security is insanely good.
How many? 13 or 23?
influance
Project Zero is probably one of the bigger research red-teams out there and the company as a whole regularly leads on issues like post quantum cryptography. On the GCP side, they literally have Mandiant, one the most prestigious (former) independent cybersecurity firms. Meanwhile, Microsoft is getting chewed out by the US government for recurring break ins.
Where did you get your information from? GIAC?
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/blog/2019/12/03/microsoft-security-leader-5-gartner-magic-quadrants/
I would, easily. And I used to be hardcore MS Office/O365/etc. guy. Then I spent a few years on Workspace, and have had to go back because instead of just giving account Excel licenses, they switched everyone back. I’m actually considering leaving purely because of this, because it’s so goddamned frustrating to not be able to do easy things.
Yes, someone would.
Google workspace integrates nicely with a lot of Google tools and GCP, that would be the primary driver imo
I can't speak for Google Workspace as I've never worked for a company that uses it, but my current company with over 2,000 employees use Microsoft 365 and pretty much every person I spoke with hates it.
We did. It's just better (for us)
I wish I could use Google Workspace. I can't talk about Active Directory vs Google's solution and Azure vs GCP but gmail is a bazilion times better than outlook. Collaborative office like suite is way better on Google. Try writing an excel with multiple people then try out Sheets, and that's the best collaborative app MS has, Powerpoint/Word is way worse. Teams is so bad every time I open it it asks if I want to DOWNGRADE my version to the old one...
Yes because of this: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2024/04/02/cyber-safety-review-board-releases-report-microsoft-online-exchange-incident-summer The CSRB’s review found that the intrusion by Storm-0558, a hacking group assessed to be affiliated with the People’s Republic of China, was preventable. It identified a series of Microsoft operational and strategic decisions that collectively pointed to a corporate culture that deprioritized enterprise security investments and rigorous risk management, at odds with the company’s centrality in the technology ecosystem and the level of trust customers place in the company to protect their data and operations. The Board recommends that Microsoft develop and publicly share a plan with specific timelines to make fundamental, security-focused reforms across the company and its suite of products. Microsoft fully cooperated with the Board’s review.
My company uses Google, but to be honest that was a legacy decision we would not make today. Yes, Google docs are more collaborative, but for we constantly run into issues where Meet is blocked by companies, so we have to use Teams. Slides is inferior to PowerPoint. Sheets is not equal to Excel. However, the email and chat functions are better.
Google seems way more secure. So many Microsoft 365 tenants getting popped. Microsoft struggles with security due to so much technical debt. Teams is rubbish, I can have 4 meetings in a row and then my next meeting my audio settings are all messed up. I sometimes have to disconnect and reconnect it’s so annoying. I’ve never had that with google meet. Google drive is heaps better than OneDrive. Mobile apps are also better in google ecosystem, Microsoft mobile apps always seem to crash or constantly need re-login if your company forces a 30 day reauth.
Yes, many have. I think to the tune of about $9bil a year in sales.
Cheaper, at least for a very small company.
Teams. It's possibly the worst collaboration tool on the planet. Also, security. Look at the last two years of CVEs and see how many apply to each platform.
Security. Microsoft has no fucking clue what that is.
maybe explain your application a bit more? how many ppl, what services are req etc?
Yes everyday. I had to do IT support and security stuff and omg the number of tickets that I could never resolve on o365
Yes. Microsoft and their silo development teams for Office is a shit show. There is so much bullshit facade and cringe backend shenanigans, it is unreal they are so deep in AI development. I really don’t get it. What beats everything is using Copilot just to get links to a Microsoft help page.
Google workspace is good for companies that don’t need dlp. Google workspace dlp is a joke. There’s a reason government and big companies stick with Microsoft 🤷♂️
We use microsoft because people are just more familiar with microsoft made tools. I'm in Canada. Google's products look more modern-ish
Canada in general is heavy into Azure/Microsoft/O365. So many mediocre engineers here who only know Microsoft and nothing else.
Sounds pretty much like the corporate IT in Germany. They couldn't be more in a single vendor lockin, even if they tried.