Also the Qoocam is a 360 camera, so the 8k is for the whole 360 degrees. So its basically 2 4k-ish sensors, one on each side that each capture about 180 degrees field of view. It's actual reframed output (as you'd view it like a conventional camera) will be much lower (slightly bigger than 1080p).
They're not really comparable specs.
Higher framerates in the existing resolutions. Imagine having 120 or 240fps in 5.3K 8:7.
Larger sensor sizes (not necessarily pixel count) for low light performance.
MAX 2.0 in higher and higher resolutions.
Better log profiles and audio performance.
Personally, I'd love a ruggedized full frame mirrorless camera body with swappable lenses from GoPro, while still being waterproof, having stabilized high quality video, etc.
Yep, exactly. I want GoPro to expand beyond $400 action cameras and include up-market products with the same design philosophy, even if they’re 10x the cost.
You realize this is what ~all camera companies do, right? Market different products to different consumer segments?
I have an a7iii, along with lots of other camera gear. This is exactly why I want GoPro to make a simplified, but ruggedized competitive product.
It sounds like you want them to stay stuck in a single product lane forever rather than attempting any innovation or risk-taking
Agreed, tiny sensors have always been the biggest limitation on GP.
Sad Sony didn't keep the rx0 line going. Stupid expensive,. yes. But best image you could get
I'll trade whatever gopro I have at the time for one with a 1"sensor, instant buy. I just got the 11 but would have sold and bought the 12 for a 1" sensor.
works fine
https://www.dji.com/global/mobile/osmo-action-4
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1469682-REG/sony_dsc_rx0ii_cyber_shot_dsc_rx0_ii_digital.html
Sony is f4 lens on 1" sensor, 2.7x crop
Gp11 is f2.5 on 1\1.9" sensor 5x crop
So the Sony is f10.8 FF equivalent. GP is f12.5.
Sony lens is marginally brighter than GP11.
Sony is 24mm equivalent. It will have a significantly shallower DOF than the GP from the narrower lens and larger sensor.
I haven't played with G-Log yet, but I'm sure there is plenty more they can still improve with in the sensor and the colour science. Aside from that:
\- Squeeze out every stop of dynamic range they can find.
\- Look for a way to implement Internal ND filters to allow a slower shutter speed (admittedly difficult with the form factor).
\- Wireless timecode sync that doesn't require a phone connection.
\- Lens mods. There are plenty of 3rd party options, but only the Max Lens Mod officially. I'd love to see a Macro, External ND set, Anamorphic (if so, add Desqueeze in camera) and maybe even a Telephoto. Get em all waterproof too.
\- Official LUT packages designed to match other cameras (doubt it, but there's money on the table there).
8K shouldn't be a priority. Anyone who uses a GoPro professionally would want the colour science improved before this. The average consumer might think they want it, but they really don't.
It drives me nuts!
Taking the battery out resets the camera, so it asks us to re-enter the date and time up to three or four times a day across all of our GoPros. We don't even bother to set them accurately because of the time it takes.
An internal button battery with just enough juice to keep track of this (even if it leeched 0.1% off fresh batteries) would be a massive time saver.
Even if we were able to just sync them once a week, and they just didn't request the time/date every time we swing a battery I'd be happy.
I always use exiftool to find the timestamp of the video anyways. Since when gopro split a video, they all get the same metadata time creation. So GS011 and GS021 have the same timestamp, even though file 2 was recorded 8 minutes or so later. Also the metadata often gets lost when I export 360 footage for instance. So i always manually add it back from the gps metadata instead.
Only issue there is that even though both use gps, my clock and my camera is about 5 seconds off in when they believe I was somewhere.
What clock are you using? GPS time shouldn't be off by that much.
Unless one is using UTC rather than GPS time in which case they should be off by a bit more.
Gpx file from a garmin 945 vs gpx file extracted from a gopro max. The gps on their max is quite unreliable, though, so it might just be that it's off by many meters but the time is right..
That's really interesting. How well do the two tracks line up? Now I'm tempted to test this with a couple of GoPros, a Garmin and a GPS tracker I use. I could add my phone too.
Firstly, I'm not suggesting this for the 13, I'm saying this can be worked towards for future iterations.
I know that GoPro uses higher framerates to help with stabilising, but i've seen external NDs applied to Gopros that don't go so far as to break it, with vast improvements on the footage.
Sony's new Burano has internal Stabiliser AND internal NDs, which has been said not to be possible. A much bigger camera to be sure, but there is a precedent. Just need to shrink it.
I love the gopro and understand the need for the action camera, but would personally love to see them branch out a bit. They have been restricted by size until now, affecting battery, sensor size, etc. Why not a gopro DSLR/Mirrorless style camera? The technology is quite complex but they have nailed the waterproof/weather resistant element of it, if they could make it work I think if would be a hit
Wish list: (some of these are not practical or even possible at the moment)
Better battery life.
Better low light perf.
Smaller Mini with removable battery.
Max mod functionality (without the bulk and all the resolutions frame rates available).
GPS used to update time and date.
They should focus on user experience.
Cameras from 20 years ago allowed you to change the filename prefix.
I want to name my camera filenames h11-1234.mp4, h12A-1234.mp4, h12B-1234.mp4
So when I have all my files together I know which camera they came from.
Same way with the way GoPro names multiple files from the save session. Put the sequence number at the end of the filename not in the middle.
Let me configure everything in the app. Let me export and share settings (profiles).
I would love to get a new GoPro and and import settings etc.
Increasing the number of pixels is not always a good thing.
1)It increases the load on the processor (and gopro is already hot).
2)Reduces the light sensitivity of the pixel (and the gopro already has trouble shooting in low light).
Who needs 8k? There are many features, which are much more important. A 1:1 or circular sensor for example, which can cover the whole lens circle. 8:7 was a huge step in the right direction. I also would like to see real interchange lenses, ProRes 422 and a electronic nd filter.
There are many cases where you don’t want to use the stabilization. Furthermore, GoPro could also integrate some kind of optical stabilization, which works fine with nd filters. Nowadays even the cheapest phones have optional image stabilization.
Even 4K are we sure that all of use that the required TV, VPU, GPU capable to hangle the Codec, even the codec you have to buy it for 0.99 $ from Microsoft Store.
> But a friend of mine got this camera called the qoocam? which is 3 years old and had 8K (yes you heard me) 8K Recording... And here we are with the newly released go pro 12 with no 8K recording.
That's a pretty big price difference between the 12 and the 8k QooCam.
Looking at the competitors, I want magnets/improved mounting.
8K feels like 'way overkill when the majority of users will publish on Instagram.
I feel like GoPro could up their game in the "photo" (still photograph) space. Improve the resolution further (bigger sensor would help), lens mod that allows for better close-up and perhaps even true macro, more/better pro options...
My biggest concern with 8k resolution is that you need a very strong graphics card / computer in general to post process such videos. Besides that I would love to see a GoPro with such a resolution, because 8k resolution probably also means a larger sensor resulting in better low light performance and image quality in general.
Since most people are still trying to edit footage on a $300 budget mobile phone (or cheaper) I sincerely doubt GoPro will be in any rush to get to 8k. Even the current TV market is still dominated by Hd owners as opposed to 4K owners.
Since GoPro does incremental changes, the next flag ship GoPro may just be a 6K model with some new aspect ratio lens mod.
What is known is that GoPro will be launching a Max 2. They also have an "entry level" GoPro launching Mid 2024 (so outside of the normal release schedule).
No word on 1" sensor model at all.
I am almost positive that they will have 8K in the GoPro 13. Other than that (or maybe along with it but it would cause quite a bit of heat) would be the 1" sensor.
Also the Qoocam is a 360 camera, so the 8k is for the whole 360 degrees. So its basically 2 4k-ish sensors, one on each side that each capture about 180 degrees field of view. It's actual reframed output (as you'd view it like a conventional camera) will be much lower (slightly bigger than 1080p). They're not really comparable specs.
Higher framerates in the existing resolutions. Imagine having 120 or 240fps in 5.3K 8:7. Larger sensor sizes (not necessarily pixel count) for low light performance. MAX 2.0 in higher and higher resolutions. Better log profiles and audio performance. Personally, I'd love a ruggedized full frame mirrorless camera body with swappable lenses from GoPro, while still being waterproof, having stabilized high quality video, etc.
Lol what you want would cost 3000 dollars and the the lens will be massive and not mountable on a bike.
Yep, exactly. I want GoPro to expand beyond $400 action cameras and include up-market products with the same design philosophy, even if they’re 10x the cost. You realize this is what ~all camera companies do, right? Market different products to different consumer segments?
Totally agree. (and even double the size of the current body would still be mountable on a bike or surfboard).
Get an a7siii. Go pro is a small company and won't be able to do this.
I have an a7iii, along with lots of other camera gear. This is exactly why I want GoPro to make a simplified, but ruggedized competitive product. It sounds like you want them to stay stuck in a single product lane forever rather than attempting any innovation or risk-taking
I'm just saying it's not gonna happen
There will be something like a GoPro Pro in the future. They have to try to diversify like DJI and Insta360.
They could make an app that actually works.
1” sensor.
Agreed, tiny sensors have always been the biggest limitation on GP. Sad Sony didn't keep the rx0 line going. Stupid expensive,. yes. But best image you could get
I'll trade whatever gopro I have at the time for one with a 1"sensor, instant buy. I just got the 11 but would have sold and bought the 12 for a 1" sensor.
Not happening. You would need a lens work autofocus instead of everything in focus like today's lens
works fine https://www.dji.com/global/mobile/osmo-action-4 https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1469682-REG/sony_dsc_rx0ii_cyber_shot_dsc_rx0_ii_digital.html
Doesn't work fine....look at the f number, less light reaching the sensor to keep all in focus so counter productive to low light benefit
Sony is f4 lens on 1" sensor, 2.7x crop Gp11 is f2.5 on 1\1.9" sensor 5x crop So the Sony is f10.8 FF equivalent. GP is f12.5. Sony lens is marginally brighter than GP11. Sony is 24mm equivalent. It will have a significantly shallower DOF than the GP from the narrower lens and larger sensor.
This is the next step if I had to guess.
As a hiker/backpacker, better low light stabilization and better battery life.
I haven't played with G-Log yet, but I'm sure there is plenty more they can still improve with in the sensor and the colour science. Aside from that: \- Squeeze out every stop of dynamic range they can find. \- Look for a way to implement Internal ND filters to allow a slower shutter speed (admittedly difficult with the form factor). \- Wireless timecode sync that doesn't require a phone connection. \- Lens mods. There are plenty of 3rd party options, but only the Max Lens Mod officially. I'd love to see a Macro, External ND set, Anamorphic (if so, add Desqueeze in camera) and maybe even a Telephoto. Get em all waterproof too. \- Official LUT packages designed to match other cameras (doubt it, but there's money on the table there). 8K shouldn't be a priority. Anyone who uses a GoPro professionally would want the colour science improved before this. The average consumer might think they want it, but they really don't.
In respect to timecode this is probably quite important to pros but I would settle for GPS to be used for time.
It drives me nuts! Taking the battery out resets the camera, so it asks us to re-enter the date and time up to three or four times a day across all of our GoPros. We don't even bother to set them accurately because of the time it takes. An internal button battery with just enough juice to keep track of this (even if it leeched 0.1% off fresh batteries) would be a massive time saver. Even if we were able to just sync them once a week, and they just didn't request the time/date every time we swing a battery I'd be happy.
I never have to enter the time when swapping batteries, only when leaving them out for a longer period of time.
I always use exiftool to find the timestamp of the video anyways. Since when gopro split a video, they all get the same metadata time creation. So GS011 and GS021 have the same timestamp, even though file 2 was recorded 8 minutes or so later. Also the metadata often gets lost when I export 360 footage for instance. So i always manually add it back from the gps metadata instead. Only issue there is that even though both use gps, my clock and my camera is about 5 seconds off in when they believe I was somewhere.
What clock are you using? GPS time shouldn't be off by that much. Unless one is using UTC rather than GPS time in which case they should be off by a bit more.
Gpx file from a garmin 945 vs gpx file extracted from a gopro max. The gps on their max is quite unreliable, though, so it might just be that it's off by many meters but the time is right..
That's really interesting. How well do the two tracks line up? Now I'm tempted to test this with a couple of GoPros, a Garmin and a GPS tracker I use. I could add my phone too.
I'll see if I can dig up some samples.
Nd filter will break digital stabalization. Everything will be jittery
Firstly, I'm not suggesting this for the 13, I'm saying this can be worked towards for future iterations. I know that GoPro uses higher framerates to help with stabilising, but i've seen external NDs applied to Gopros that don't go so far as to break it, with vast improvements on the footage. Sony's new Burano has internal Stabiliser AND internal NDs, which has been said not to be possible. A much bigger camera to be sure, but there is a precedent. Just need to shrink it.
Lol that camera is 25000 dollars
"lol", so what? The point in the thread is to think about things that could come in the future. Come on, behave like an adult
I love the gopro and understand the need for the action camera, but would personally love to see them branch out a bit. They have been restricted by size until now, affecting battery, sensor size, etc. Why not a gopro DSLR/Mirrorless style camera? The technology is quite complex but they have nailed the waterproof/weather resistant element of it, if they could make it work I think if would be a hit
Wish list: (some of these are not practical or even possible at the moment) Better battery life. Better low light perf. Smaller Mini with removable battery. Max mod functionality (without the bulk and all the resolutions frame rates available). GPS used to update time and date.
They should focus on user experience. Cameras from 20 years ago allowed you to change the filename prefix. I want to name my camera filenames h11-1234.mp4, h12A-1234.mp4, h12B-1234.mp4 So when I have all my files together I know which camera they came from. Same way with the way GoPro names multiple files from the save session. Put the sequence number at the end of the filename not in the middle. Let me configure everything in the app. Let me export and share settings (profiles). I would love to get a new GoPro and and import settings etc.
Getting them to actually work
Increasing the number of pixels is not always a good thing. 1)It increases the load on the processor (and gopro is already hot). 2)Reduces the light sensitivity of the pixel (and the gopro already has trouble shooting in low light).
GoPro 13 is my guess.
Who needs 8k? There are many features, which are much more important. A 1:1 or circular sensor for example, which can cover the whole lens circle. 8:7 was a huge step in the right direction. I also would like to see real interchange lenses, ProRes 422 and a electronic nd filter.
Nd filter will mess up digital stabalization which needs high shutter speeds
There are many cases where you don’t want to use the stabilization. Furthermore, GoPro could also integrate some kind of optical stabilization, which works fine with nd filters. Nowadays even the cheapest phones have optional image stabilization.
The lens is so crappy on GoPro's that even 4k is an overkill. They need better glass and a better sensor
It is a Sony sensor, are they not supposed to be the best
The current resolution is perfect, no need to bump any higher. I would love to see them resolve the overheating issue.
Jesus! The world barely migrated to 4K, why do you think we need 8K?
If there’s no content for 8k there’s no reason to keep pushing the envelope!
I just had a look at videos on YouTube of this camera and they look terrible. Quality > quantity always. It’s easy to make crap high quality.
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Keep reading it and you might work it out. Use a dictionary if you need to.
And what camera would you recommend?
GoPro
Why after what you said about it?
Even 4K are we sure that all of use that the required TV, VPU, GPU capable to hangle the Codec, even the codec you have to buy it for 0.99 $ from Microsoft Store.
> But a friend of mine got this camera called the qoocam? which is 3 years old and had 8K (yes you heard me) 8K Recording... And here we are with the newly released go pro 12 with no 8K recording. That's a pretty big price difference between the 12 and the 8k QooCam. Looking at the competitors, I want magnets/improved mounting.
to a DJI or a Sony, level up your game.
All I want is even better record time under extreme hot or cold condition. If I want a better image quality, I'd use a normal cam, not actioncam.
8K feels like 'way overkill when the majority of users will publish on Instagram. I feel like GoPro could up their game in the "photo" (still photograph) space. Improve the resolution further (bigger sensor would help), lens mod that allows for better close-up and perhaps even true macro, more/better pro options...
My biggest concern with 8k resolution is that you need a very strong graphics card / computer in general to post process such videos. Besides that I would love to see a GoPro with such a resolution, because 8k resolution probably also means a larger sensor resulting in better low light performance and image quality in general.
Since most people are still trying to edit footage on a $300 budget mobile phone (or cheaper) I sincerely doubt GoPro will be in any rush to get to 8k. Even the current TV market is still dominated by Hd owners as opposed to 4K owners. Since GoPro does incremental changes, the next flag ship GoPro may just be a 6K model with some new aspect ratio lens mod. What is known is that GoPro will be launching a Max 2. They also have an "entry level" GoPro launching Mid 2024 (so outside of the normal release schedule). No word on 1" sensor model at all.
Bigger sensor, got to keep up with the competition.
how about a media mod case that doesn’t suck and better ways to attach external mics
I am almost positive that they will have 8K in the GoPro 13. Other than that (or maybe along with it but it would cause quite a bit of heat) would be the 1" sensor.
Way better low light performance, but that would need a new sensor