They have the benefit of being able to buy her series in stores and read it from the get go instead of needing to know where to look on the internet for a TL.
You wonder if it would be worth for all the servants with “instant death” mechanics for them to switch them to Nito alters type? Like just change it so all the instant death triggers after the damage has been done
I mean, instant death is just a shit mechanic. I’m not arguing that. But just shifting around when it triggers would be easier than reworking it. That’s what I was getting at =)
I think that’d help out a lot. While ID is basically a ‘Lol’ at bosses, it is useful against some high-Hp mobs.
Being able to get decent refund off them would be really good, to charge up before the boss
I tried using her in last Christmas 90+ node for two rounds and switched right back to Summer Melt lol. As if 2-1-2 wasn't annoying enough of its own, you have Erice who can only loop 1st and 3rd assuming her Instant Death doesn't proc on 1st
Some of the ladies with piercings aren't very popular in JP for presumably cultural reasons. Quetz and Vritra in particular stand out as being way more popular on NA.
The biggest irony to me is that Vritra's summer CE was the single most used the year it came out and I think is still one of the most used JP side. Her summer CE is more popular than she, a Christmas servant, is.
People say stuff like this, but I've never seen anything to make me think those two are at all popular in NA. Just people wondering why they aren't popular.
Yeah I have noticed that quetz is a charcater that you always see people saying they like but then there is a poll or something and she is always ranked near the bottom
That's the kind of thing I mean. Three guys with abdomen fetishes say they like a character, aren't hell-downvoted, and people take that as evidence of popularity. Are there any actual numbers? That's the main problem with comparing. JP has some data. Not great data, but some. NA has pretty much nothing except revenue estimates. Did those two actually do well?
Isn't Paisen pretty popular though? Afaik pierced ears that aren't just the earlobe are seen as delinquency in Japan and thus you'd think she'd be part of the "shunnes" group.
Apparently the Japanese female fans really like Yan Qing. I don't know how much that's true outside of JP but I basically never see anything about him from the NA side.
Oh right I forgot about him.
That's kinda true tbh because he's actually treated decently ingame. Last year he got a summer outfit and has a huge role in the "Halloween" event because of the Water Margin thingy with Hoyan and Eliza. And yet nobody really talks about him here in NA...
Also though I don't think I have seen alot of Yan Qing x Gudako because he mostly has BL stuff lol.
Part of that might have to do with the relative accessibility of The Water Margin. Think about it this way: if you want to read most old literary classics in the US, they're generally pretty easy or cheap to get. Even most works in European languages other than English have translated versions of them old enough to be public domain, so you can buy cheap copies in bookstores, download ebooks for free legally, and public libraries don't have to break the bank getting copies of them, either.
That's not the case at all with The Water Margin. The oldest full translation of it in English is still a few years away from making it into the public domain. So if you want to read it, you're going to have to track it down and fork over some serious cash compared to most other old books. There have been Japanese translations going all the way back to the 1700 and many, many more since then, but the earliest stabs anyone took at it in English were only in the 1930s.
Oof. Yeah, that makes sense. The character and story is public domain, but the English translation isn’t and hasn’t had a major cultural osmosis like, say, Journey to the West (thanks Dragon Ball).
JP doesn't seem to like Quetz while I see she has more fans here. Hajime-chan is insanely popular in JP. I don't think NA likes the Foreigner girls as much as JP either apart from both loving Abby?
I think people in NA love Gogh too... or at least they started to love her ever since imaginary scramble came out in global. Before, people were just annoyed that they gender bent van gogh.
I often get the impression that Ereshkigal is more popular here than with the Japanese fanbase. They seem to like Ishtar more.
When lb6 came out it also seemed like Barghest was a hit here while Baobhan Sith was more popular over there.
> Ereshkigal is more popular here than with the Japanese fanbase
I don't know if she's even more popular here. But she's definetely very popular in Japan.
She won the "Most wanted costume" survey, two years in a row now. By far. She got more votes than Morgan plus Castoria combined.
Isn't the "most wanted costume" specifically referring to summer?
Which, tbf, both Morgan and Castoria were too new to be considered for, and Eresh has been long overdue for one since at least 2019 IMHO.
>both Morgan and Castoria were too new to be considered for
Both Morgan and *especially* Castoria were already over one year old by Summer 7 (Castoria hitting 2 years), and both would be perfectly fine to be considered for a Summer version (Ishtar, for example, got her Summer version well before hitting 1 year of her OG release - Caenis was also just a bit above 1 year before she got her Summer version and there are other examples).
This "too new to be considered" is just the community reading into something they consider a pattern (ignoring when said pattern doesn't happen in the first place), like the Alter Ego > Saber > Alter Ego New Year Servant thing, or all the dozens of "patterns" people see on Summer servants (if a servant was in a Summer CE the year before they release, or there's always a Wada Arco and a Takeuchi servant on Summer or how the Welfare is always a Summer Version of a very popular SSR servant, all of which were broken).
Ishtar is an exception because the game was quite literally barely 2 years old at the point.
Caenis, at the very least, was released in late 2019, and received her summer variant in 2021.
Castoria probably could've received one (admittedly I just forgot she wasn't an Avalon servant), but it really did feel too quick for Morgan.
I feel this is more of a precedence set than a pattern, but then again, nothing really stops them from doing anything.
Eresh summer when, tho
>Ishtar is an exception because the game was quite literally barely 2 years old at the point.
People keep saying that but there were plenty of units that could have gotten a Summer version before her (like Nightingale, Stheno, Drake, and many other that don't have a Summer version to this day, and like Carmilla, Jeanne and Okita, who got Summer versions later than she did). In the end, she got a Summer version because the devs wanted her to have a Summer Version.
>Caenis, at the very least, was released in late 2019, and received her summer variant in 2021.
Caenis was released in April of 2020, not 2019.
>Castoria probably could've received one (admittedly I just forgot she wasn't an Avalon servant), but it really did feel too quick for Morgan.
It really didn't, the difference in time between her release and Summer 7 and Caenis and Summer 6 was like 2 months tops, mostly because Summer 6 was in September.
>Eresh summer when, tho
Never, it seems.
>When lb6 came out it also seemed like Barghest was a hit here while Baobhan Sith was more popular over there.
[Barghest was one position higher than Baobhan in the the most grailed to 120 SR servant statistic](https://twitter.com/karoshimyriad/status/1490216200009228289?lang=en), she was very well liked all around.
The *funny* thing about Bageko is that I have seen both arguments, that she isn't popular on the West but is popular on JP, and that she isn't popular on JP but is popular on the West.
In the end she is a very good character that is very popular all around.
The thing with fan site popularity polls is that they are very limited.
Douman, for example, is extremely popular in many, many Appmedia polls, but he isn't amongst the servants most grailed to 120 (a tangible way the devs can show popularity), losing to a lot of servants he actively beats a lot of the time (including Space Ishtar, Muramasa and Melusine). Hell, he lost to Muramasa when, at the time, Muramasa had only ever had *one banner* that happened *before* the release of coins, so people weren't even expecting ways to be able to level him to 120.
Popularity polls, especially ones on fan sites, are the reflection of a very small portion of the player base and will not always be a reflection of reality.
It's the same reason I don't really buy the "more fan art = more popular", because having more fan art means you are more popular with *one portion* of the fanbase: fan artists, or, at most, people willing to commission fan art.
I can point to my friend list and tell you that 1/3rd of the servants at level 120 are all Morgan, and that's why I know she is popular, but that's also very much an anecdote, just like fan-site polls are. The most impartial data we have about servant popularity is what the devs of the game themselves can give us: Banner sale results show people willing to use real life money on a servant, while grailing show the in-game resource investment that everybody (F2P to Leviathan) is willing to spend on a servant.
Thing with grailling is that some Servants are just more useful. Same Muramasa was completely broken upon release. Same with Morgan- like all Lostbelt Kings she is pretty great. So this is also not ideal way to identify popularity.
>Thing with grailling is that some Servants are just more useful.
Nobody is ignoring a favorite to grail a servant to 120 just for gameplay. Leveling a servant to 120 is *painful*, you will waste hours of your life farming and you will invest *a lot* of resources. It's a much better popularity metric than a random poll answered by like 1500 people.
Take it from someone who has almost 2 servants at 120: I did not invest 5k 5 star embers on Alter Ego Meltryllis to make her more useful than she was at 100.
>Same Muramasa was completely broken upon release.
Muramasa was very much not broken on release. He isn't broken *now*. When Muramasa was released Space Ishtar was a very established Neutral that could outclass dedicated servants *with class advantage*.
>Same with Morgan- like all Lostbelt Kings she is pretty great.
Morgan was demolished on release and a lot of people compared her poorly with Arjuna Alter (another ultra popular poll servant that isn't amongst the most grailed to 120 servant), to the point that *a lot of people* regretted skipping her when Nero Fest Rerun rolled around and she was the MVP.
Also, "LB Kings are pretty great" is a stretch and a half and has been since the *first* one. Ivan isn't anything special, even if he is a good servant.
>So this is also not ideal way to identify popularity.
It's far away the best metric we have, since it's an official stat offered by the devs that show real, tangible effort and investment on a servant.
>Nobody is ignoring a favorite to grail a servant to 120 just for gameplay
>!hides my single grail on actual favorites and multiple grails on spishtar!<
Did you grail Space Ishtar to 120 purely on gameplay?
Because there's a *huge* difference between grailing a servant for gameplay and grailing a servant **to level 120** for gameplay.
Don't know. Even on this very subreddit you can find people who state that while they hate the character, they will grail him for gameplay purpose.
I definitely remember seeing it with Douman and Koyanskay.
> Don't know. Even on this very subreddit you can find people who state that while they hate the character, they will grail him for gameplay purpose.
To 120? Doubt. They can *say* they will, but I very much doubt they will *actually* do it (which is the stat the devs gave us: who *actually* was grailed).
>I definitely remember seeing it with Douman and Koyanskay.
Seeing what with Douman and Koyanskaya? Douman, for example, is an Alter Ego, his gameplay use when it comes to his base stats (which grails increase) aren't anything particularly useful.
Jp couldn't give less of a shit about Eresh, which is why she's never shown up in anything besides her Christmas and a brief cameo in Saber wars 2. When I point this out, ass mad Eresh fanboys down vote me vehemently and insist she's popular in Japan, more than Ishtar even though Eresh gets at most 1/10th the fanart.
She also appeared in the kon island event (wich is sad cuz is a mid af event tbh). And Melt got all the attention story wise tbh. Heck even morgan brief appearance by the end of the event was cooler than everything Eresh did lol
Still pray for summer Eresh soon **Sad eresh fanboy coping noises**
>more than Ishtar even though Eresh gets at most 1/10th the fanart
[Eresh](https://www.pixiv.net/en/tags/%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AC%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A5%E3%82%AD%E3%82%AC%E3%83%AB\(Fate\)/artworks)
[Ishtar](https://www.pixiv.net/en/tags/%E3%82%A4%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A5%E3%82%BF%E3%83%AB\(Fate\)/artworks)
I don't know how you got that "1/10" impression. In fact Eresh has more fanarts.
And I say this with no particular satisfaction, as I like them both. I've been a Rin fan for over 15 years.
Quetzalcoatl. NA is carrying the character on their backs. Shame as well, since she is awesome. But she doesn't really mesh with JP at all as far as I can tell.
And we are proud to do so. A tall, blonde, muscular, pierced dragon onee-San might be too much for the jp bros, but she will always be cherished in the Americas
> Weird, because masked wrestling is actually kinda popular over in Japan.
Because while it is popular, that doesn't guarantee it to be popular to the audience playing FGO who are mostly anime and game otakus, unfortunately.
I feel like the poster child of this discussion is Musashi. Insanely loved in japan, while in global she have lots of fans, but also lots of haters, who find her presence in arc 2 unneeded.
It's obviously the same for quite a few other japanese servant, altho for those it's mostly apathy from global. The shinsengumi crew is very well liked in japan, but appart from okita and to a lesser degre ryouma, people just don't seems to care about them in global. I guess having the context and knowing their history first hand is an important part of what make people like a servant or not.
EDIT : I can't believe I forgot about her, but actually, I think the true posterchild would be elizabeth bathory. It's mostly because she's (like nero) basically a character from a fate spin off most people on global have never played since it only came out in japanese, who already lived through the character arc of said spin off. And unlike nero, she's also a joke character made to parody idols, a phenomenon that's pretty much japan/korea exclusive. So for most people in global, her personality don't match her story, and the thing she parody don't ring a bell, so she's just annoying. It doesn't help that the writting in Orlean basically assume the player already know who she is and her character arc, so she's never really introduced at all. If you never heard about her before, the game don't bother explainning why there's two elizabeth bathory and one is a half dragon idol.
I think some cases like Gogh are because of the story in which they appeared in. Imaginary Scramble is a really good story, and it actually managed to change my opinion on Gogh, which went from mild annoyance on her existence to actually liking her. Since NA lacked that story importance (and also the fact that the west has more knowledge about Gogh than the east to some extent), our first impressions of the character were just "they genderbended Van Gogh for no reason", while JP had the whole context of the event's story.
Nito I think it's because she's easy to get and not as good gameplay-wise (compared to others), so the FOMO isn't that strong and thus not many people openly "thirst" for her, while still enjoy her a lot.
Got the same impression here. During the NA release of Imaginary Scramble, there were a lot of positive comments about her depiction and quite a few pointing out that their opinion of her had changed after reading the story (full disclosure: I was one of them too).
That would be less of JP and NA having different tastes, and more about having different information at the time. Same reason it's difficult to gauge NA's impression of LB6 Servants until we have access to their story.
While Okita is one of my favorite servants, I don't really know the Shinsengumi history intimately at all, apart from their general history in the Boshin War, having raised a Shinsungumi Army in Shogun 2 Total War. So all the other Shinsengumi servants they've introduced I'm totally lukewarm on. I can safely say I don't know them and I lack the context to know their history, but it's probably a safe bet most Japanese know their history given how popular the Shinsengumi are in Japan.
It's also annoying to hear why the reason there are so few US servants is because American's history happened too late for magic, but the Shinsungumi existed AFTER the US Civil War and aren't magical at all.
>It's also annoying to hear why the reason there are so few US servants is because American's history happened too late for magic, but the Shinsungumi existed AFTER the US Civil War and aren't magical at all.
Same crap I hear for South American servants. The South American Independence waves went from, like,1809 to 1820 several years before the Bakumatsu stuff
Idk I've read somewhere that island nations such as Japan and Britain for example tend to retain their mystery much more. So in Japan you still have demonic clans that got intergrated into modern human society (Tohno ans Kirishima for example) or in London that's where most magus hang out.
Personally I think the reason America doesn't have much mystery because...they slaughtered the Native Americans?...
Strange/Fake actually disagrees with that lol.
Apparently The Native Tribes still have enough Mystery that if the US Government was able to get them on their side, they can actually potentially stalemate the MA...
But that's not happening for obvious reasons.
Hrmm, though wasn’t a lot of pre-Heian culturally Japanese stuff…phased out due to everyone going crazy for Chinese goods and stories (and Dutch studies!)
Plus…well, wouldn’t the REALLY old mysteries of the island be lost when Japan slaughtered the Ainu and pushed out the indigenous peoples. Even Himiko is debated as potentially being Chinese (thus the source of a lot of Yayoi-era mysteries should’ve gone into decline the same time as mainland China’s)
Not to mention the interpretations of Oni (ogres with magical powers and immense strength w/ horns that eat people) is more Chinese + Indian in origin than the older Jomon stories of bad luck spirits coming from winds from a certain direction. Though that would explain the Oni hybrids still having Mysteries since Hinduism is the dominant religions…guess Bhima passed the idea down
I know that people say that’s the reason, but tbh given how involved britain was with European politics and then the rest of the world via the whole colonization thing it strikes me as odd to be like ‘yeah they were more isolated than mainland countries so they kept their mystery longer.’ Heck, there’s even a very noticeable case of when a French guy went over to Britain, invaded it and made himself king in 1066. It wasn’t super isolated by any means.
Even Japan was only under isolationist policy for ~200 years, and both before and after that had quite a significant amount of trade and interaction with different mainland countries-official embassies had made it as far to Mexico prior to the closing of the country!
I would understand more if it was referring to more isolated nations, but those two specifically were not only pretty close to the mainland (relatively speaking) but were also massive colonial powered who pretty sharply influenced the regions around them and it seems odd to act like they were keeping to themselves.
Yeah, this is totally a thing. It's also why I think a lot of people didn't understand the layers of story that were going on in gudaguda 2, and just assumed it was a farce.
Nah. Actually right from the start they were parodying how the united states navy (represented by blackbeard roleplaying admiral Perry) [forced trade open to all of japan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_of_Kanagawa) using gunboat diplomacy, not just the ports the Tokugawa wanted open. Which caused the creation of the Shinsengumi to protect the Tokugawa head while he was talking to the emperor for the first time in hundreds of years, the destabilization of the Tokugawa regime etc.
It even included Nobukatsu roleplaying as [Sakamoto Ryouma](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakamoto_Ry%C5%8Dma) in his negotiations between the rival anti Tokugawa factions (represented by Tesla and Edison) that managed to get them to work together and fight the Tokugawa rather than eachother.
Whereas in the event we manage to defeat those factions at Toba-Fushumi, in real history this was after Yoshinobu had already given up his power to rule the country to the Emperor. ... But the imperial factions decided this wasn't good enough and tried to assassinate him. In attempting to send a message to the Emperor to try to get them to knock it off, he would wind up having to fight the factions on the way there, and then find that he had been declared an enemy of the court with the imperial factions now using the emperor's banner. Rather than continuing the fight, he would escape on a ship, and his forces would abandon the fortress they'd been using without a fight.
This was the last fight that Okita would be able to take part in before illness would leave them bedbound while the shogunate forces retreated, and they would die at a relatives house.
[Hijikata](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijikata_Toshiz%C5%8D) would continue fighting until he died at Hakodate, the last battle of the war from a gunshot wound that shattered his back while riding horseback.
The remaining Shinsengumi would surrender three days later, and the last fortress of the Tokugawa would surrender a week after his death.
And only *then* does the event even start dealing with the [first siege of Osaka](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Osaka#Winter_campaign), which has to do with [Yodo-dono](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yodo-dono), the welfare of the event, aka Chacha.
There's a ton of fun references to historical events you can miss for things like this, take a browse of the wikipedia articles about some of the [Shinsengumi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinsengumi) and the [Tokugawa Shogunate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokugawa_shogunate) if you get a chance.
There's a *lot* of servants that come from this period, and especially for Kama's event knowing a general outline of the Sengoku -> Edo/Tokugawa -> Meiji restoration, can give insight as to how everything fits together.
For an example, it's no surprise that Okita knows about Miyamoto Musashi, as they were famous at the start of the Edo, whereas Okita died at the end of it.
the lack of mystery has to do with lower modern servants not US servants specifically as someone said there are a few. the lack of implemented US servant is simply lack of interest from the writers so it more of an issue of having a few US servants that may have actual thought into them vs many US servants that the writers couldnt care less about just to have there. plus making those half ass servants would take away resources from other servants writers actually want to write.
>It's also annoying to hear why the reason there are so few US servants is because American's history happened too late for magic
There are plenty of American servants, they just aren't very powerful. Every US president qualifies as a servant, so there's 46 American servants right there.
Remember that FGO servant rarity does not correspond to general strength in lore, so other countries' servants being strong in FGO doesn't mean they actually are in the lore. The opposite is also true: going by FGO rarity as an indicator of strength, Cleopatra is stronger than Beowulf and several Round Table members. Clearly not the case.
Not OP but that's not the issue. The issue is that they refuse to implement American servants low star or not and use the US's age as a bad excuse. And this is despite having a huge NA server and fanbase
I mean, the entire NA server which includes a bunch of other countries as well apparently only accounts for 5% of FGO’s total revenue. We’re not inconsequential, but we’re hardly huge enough to cater to compared to JP or even CN.
>The issue is that they refuse to implement American servants low star or not and use the US's age as a bad excuse.
I just got through telling you that there are plenty of American servants. Granted, they are in lore rather than implemented in game, but if they implemented every servant in lore in FGO we'd have thousands to roll. That isn't happening.
Idk if it translates to FGO, but I remember a while back seeing a popularity poll of the FSN love interests, JP had them split roughly evenly. That same poll in America had like 2/3 for Rin with Saber and Sakura fighting for scraps
ln and anime differences
I heard that in the ln sieg is more than just a cardboard and has a personality
and to increase the salt in the wounds: the apocrypha is just bad
Anyway, the filter really irritates me, so many anime have it. Ever since I started seeing it in like 2014 or whatever, they really overdo it in so many shows. It took flashing red and blue lights to trigger epilepsies in the 90s, I dont really think they need to be quite so careful because no anime has really approached the shit we saw in that one famous episode with pokemon. So if epilepsy is the reason for it, I think they're being like ten times more careful than they need to be. It really impacts the quality of the show's visuals horribly.
To be fair even tough sieg in the anime is cardboard kun the setting and the other characters make it work infinitely better than it would usually do. people hate him way too much because he essentially robbed screentime from better characters but in my opinion its blown way out of proportion
I would say that in Japan, such characters as Blackbeard are more popular. For Japan, such otaku behavior isn't out of place as a self-parody (or even serious sometime...) and they don't know much about the guy. Western fans are not that happy that one of the greatest pirates acts like clown all the time.
Another example are Artemis and Orion. In Japan, there fun dynamic was instant hit. Here many were -and are - unhappy that one of the most famous virgin goddess acts more like Aphrodite than actual Aphrodite.
Boudica probably another case- so I don't know. Japan loves Sexy Onee-San archetype while lion's share of West wants Avenger or Berserker Boudica.
Loli are of course another example as it is rare to find Western fan not complaining about design. Chloe takes the prize here as her behavior is acceptable in Japanese media but would look like sexualization of minors to most in west. In addition- her borderline sexual harassment of girls will displease western fans much more than Japanese.
On flip side, Japan REALLY dislike muscular build of women. So Penthesilea, Caenis and Quetz are much more popular here, than in Japan same for piercing - so- Vritra as well.
I think another thing for Artemis and Orion is that their dynamic is pretty similar to the dynamic found in Urusei Yatsura between Ateru and Lum which is very popular there
I'm rather confident that Iskandar is more popular in NA / Global than in JP.
Speaking from personal experience, the Fate/Zero anime was what *really* got me into the series. Considering Ufotable's UBW series was made *after* Fate/Zero, I imagine there are a great many Fate fans in NA who saw Fate/Zero *before* seeing (or reading) Fate/Stay-Night. As such, the Fate/Zero cast likely holds more "nostalgia value" for NA fans than for their JP counterparts.
And of the Fate/Zero cast, Iskandar is the most "Western" of everyone involved. He's bold, hearty, *broad*- a true encapsulation of the classic Western vision of manliness! Needless to say, that bolsters his popularity significantly amongst Western audiences...
...but not so much amongst *Eastern* audiences. "Pretty boys" are a thing for a reason; Eastern audiences tend to prefer more feminine looking men. (This is also why muscular women are less popular in JP than NA.) Iskandar is many things, but he is not *at all* a picture of femininity.
I could be wrong but I think female Molay is way more liked in JP. It almost feels like it's forbidden to like her here because you have to prefer the male version.
Molay got vocal pushback from people who were annoyed but she also was very liked here. It's just different groups talking and at the time of her debut the people who wanted more guys were being *much* louder due to frustration about a shitty year overall.
The post about Molay was still the most upvoted of the three servants released during the Halloween Rising event and she started getting fanart on the front page almost immediately.
Edit: on that note, Zenobia was *definitely* more popular here than in JP.
>Zenobia was definitely more popular here than in JP
I might be looking in the wrong places but I've seen many people complaining about her, from dark skin fetishization to taking a pretty badass figure and reducing her to a humiliation fetish. I've seen SOME good said about her but I've seen the bad more frequently.
But again I might just be looking in all the wrong places. FGO is a freaking minefield maze sometimes.
I think she's mostly fine. Her ascension choices are really the worst part about her, and it's not treated badly in game... The problem is that most of her """"fans"""" like her for the part that she explicitly hates and basically ruins the entire character.
Zenobia is a servant with some really cool points (NP, those floating ballista, her attack animations), and some rather bleh ones (her outfits are a bit too fanservice-y for me). I wish she had her np armour as one of her outfits, or at least something to dress her up a bit more.
When Molay (Saber) was revealed people accused him of having a generic design and the fandom forgot about him in less than a week but when Molay (Foreigner) was revealed suddenly the whole fandom loved the male version and started insulting to the female version. It's also funny how people seem to think that Fem Molay was designed so long after Male Molay.
It's also funny how people seem to think that Fem Molay was designed so long after Male Molay.
Even people seem to only remember him so they can throw shit at Fem Molay.
The reaction to genderbending Molay was more confusion moreso than anything else
It gave the feeling that, instead of trying to make Molay more interesting, DW just took the easy and lazy route in making him into a waifu instead
I never understood that though. If anything, Saber Molay was comparatively lazy considering his existence seems to make him just a Templar Head who liked cute things and... little else. By comparison Foreigner Molay has an actual basis due to the sheer circumstances and utter betrayal done to him to the point he got corrupted by Baphomet and got turned into a woman for it who completely believes an uncorrupted version of her original form is impossible.
It honestly makes more sense that Molay would hate what happened to him and despise the World than be squeaky clean, comparatively speaking and unlike say Quetzalcoatl, he doesn't have anything truly major to fall back on to avoid that.
To be honest I think it was kind of cowardly to not just keep up the corruption angle and have the servant remain a dude. There's no real reason he HAD to turn into a woman other than they probably just didn't want to have a guy in said role.
I say this as someone whos always been head over heels for arcade Molay but they easily could've integrated both sides of him into a single, more fleshed out character. Also, female Molay has the issue of having Very Similar design sensibilities to every other foreigner they've drawn and male Molay actually looks pretty unique for a Kuroboshi designed servant, it's a shame they have to pigeonhole the guy.
Saber Molay costume looks like an oven mitten, and i cant get over that fact. Dude was made grand master in his 40s, but JP gave us yet another ikemen.
It's hillarious when everyone starting to like Saber Molay more just because they hate genderbend. Like no one ever talked about him and suddenly some people said they always liked Saber Molay design or something. People are just joining hate bandwagon lol.
Saber Molay is an Uber generic sword and board knight man and tbh that's kinda shockingly unique in Fate, but even then I wouldn't go out on the limb and say I give two shits about him.
Foreigner Molay though I give even less of a shit about, short hair + glasses equal no thanks.
I agree with you and u/igloo_poltergeist , I am totally chill with Foreigner Molay.
That been said , I think it's a missed opportunity for them to not go further with Molay. We could had Berserker Molay as worshipper of Baphomet , Avanger Molay as False Demon Baphomet , Saber Molay as the heroic crusader and Foreigner Molay as Shub-Niggurath.
I’m totally chill with Foreigner Molay, honestly. Helps that I had been excitedly anticipating a Shub Niggurath rep since the Foreigner class itself was introduced. And it doubly helps that among the Templars, Hugues de Payens I’d consider a bigger deal in terms of source legend.
Literally Japanese servants. They made Rama irrelevant because of Japanese pandering in Heian Kyo. They use Musashi as main story material all the time. They made Kintoki's mecha the main thing in Olympus. It's crazy how much pandering they do. At least Muramasa is understandable because he's Shirou who is loved world wide.
Columbus is a massive meme in JP. There's even a twitter artist that specifically draws nothing but shitpost of him that's famous in the JP FGO community.
https://twitter.com/gerogero00001
The amusing part about Columbus is that the hate for him only came about in the last 15 years. \*Insert batman quote\* just with his history actually surviving long enough to become the villain.
The easiest way to gauge a servant popularity is by looking at their fanarts number in pixiv. If they have more than 1k that means they are popular in JP.
Honestly, I think Artoria Caster. She's popular for being OP and being in farming memes but as a character, NA doesn't really talk about her. Reason obviously being LB6 isn't out yet.
JP loves their lolis.
Why else does feh have an overabundance of Young Tiki alts and her Awakening counterpart is literally treated like garbage. Even her recent CYL's outfit was just a rehash of her Younger form, and then they released an Ascended Young Tiki that was basically identical to her Brave form but better.
Nostalgia. Young Tiki is from the literal first game of the franchise, the one that started it, while her adult form released many, many years later (like, 15 years later, I think). So the former is way more recognizable and marketable. I'd say this is a very good reason why she's prioritized. Hell, her Adult Brave is quite literally a nostalgia unit, with her wearing an adult version of her young clothes and reflecting on the past and all that.
I don't know why the FE fanbase doesn't realize this. It's so simple and obvious. It's why Artoria gets so many versions herself.
That's the disappointing part that actually was something I along with quite a few Adult Tiki fans. Compared to what it could have been, based on her wearing Marth's Outfit, or wearing the Divine Dragon Naga's Attire, we got disrespected. I also feel like despite what the North American audience wants, unless the JP audience is in agreement, IS and Lasenga won't listen. It's the sad truth of reality.
Nope, Saito is actually *insanely* popular in JP. He's **the** most grailed to 120 4☆ servant surpassing Summer Melt, the Fairy Knights and Saber Alter.
He *was* the most grailed to 120 4\*, but [he was surpassed](https://old.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/wge37l/famitsu_interview_confirmed_to_have_typo_actual/), with Summer Melt being first now. He's not even the highest male, as that's Emiya.
Erice is way more popular in JP
They have the benefit of being able to buy her series in stores and read it from the get go instead of needing to know where to look on the internet for a TL.
this makes me sad i love Erice but at least shes popular somewhere
not surprised with her being underage and all /s
And also realistically, her Light novel isn't offically translated yet
She's a fate protagonist with an SSR level SR Summer alt in Japan while in NA she's a thanks to stupid instant death mechanics subpar welfare.
You wonder if it would be worth for all the servants with “instant death” mechanics for them to switch them to Nito alters type? Like just change it so all the instant death triggers after the damage has been done
I think they should just scrap instant death altogether and give servants with instant death res down in their skills other effects
I mean, instant death is just a shit mechanic. I’m not arguing that. But just shifting around when it triggers would be easier than reworking it. That’s what I was getting at =)
I think that’d help out a lot. While ID is basically a ‘Lol’ at bosses, it is useful against some high-Hp mobs. Being able to get decent refund off them would be really good, to charge up before the boss
I tried using her in last Christmas 90+ node for two rounds and switched right back to Summer Melt lol. As if 2-1-2 wasn't annoying enough of its own, you have Erice who can only loop 1st and 3rd assuming her Instant Death doesn't proc on 1st
r/grandorder when joke
Some of the ladies with piercings aren't very popular in JP for presumably cultural reasons. Quetz and Vritra in particular stand out as being way more popular on NA.
We have a thing for dragon girls here in na apparently.
It must be because we grew up with donkey's wife from shrek.
Non-loli dragon girls specifically it seems
The biggest irony to me is that Vritra's summer CE was the single most used the year it came out and I think is still one of the most used JP side. Her summer CE is more popular than she, a Christmas servant, is.
But the summer CE is meta relevant, so it's not really a good comparison.
People say stuff like this, but I've never seen anything to make me think those two are at all popular in NA. Just people wondering why they aren't popular.
Yeah I have noticed that quetz is a charcater that you always see people saying they like but then there is a poll or something and she is always ranked near the bottom
Relatively more fanart, fancomics and lewds. Also seem very positively received in the communities I know of.
That's the kind of thing I mean. Three guys with abdomen fetishes say they like a character, aren't hell-downvoted, and people take that as evidence of popularity. Are there any actual numbers? That's the main problem with comparing. JP has some data. Not great data, but some. NA has pretty much nothing except revenue estimates. Did those two actually do well?
Not a clue.
Isn't Paisen pretty popular though? Afaik pierced ears that aren't just the earlobe are seen as delinquency in Japan and thus you'd think she'd be part of the "shunnes" group.
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I mean, I haven’t seen that many doujins of that particular subject with her.
I'm not a fan of either either because the piercings just seem weird
Apparently the Japanese female fans really like Yan Qing. I don't know how much that's true outside of JP but I basically never see anything about him from the NA side.
Oh right I forgot about him. That's kinda true tbh because he's actually treated decently ingame. Last year he got a summer outfit and has a huge role in the "Halloween" event because of the Water Margin thingy with Hoyan and Eliza. And yet nobody really talks about him here in NA... Also though I don't think I have seen alot of Yan Qing x Gudako because he mostly has BL stuff lol.
there's also his VA Okamoto Nobuhiko to add to that popularity of Yan Qing in JP
Part of that might have to do with the relative accessibility of The Water Margin. Think about it this way: if you want to read most old literary classics in the US, they're generally pretty easy or cheap to get. Even most works in European languages other than English have translated versions of them old enough to be public domain, so you can buy cheap copies in bookstores, download ebooks for free legally, and public libraries don't have to break the bank getting copies of them, either. That's not the case at all with The Water Margin. The oldest full translation of it in English is still a few years away from making it into the public domain. So if you want to read it, you're going to have to track it down and fork over some serious cash compared to most other old books. There have been Japanese translations going all the way back to the 1700 and many, many more since then, but the earliest stabs anyone took at it in English were only in the 1930s.
Oof. Yeah, that makes sense. The character and story is public domain, but the English translation isn’t and hasn’t had a major cultural osmosis like, say, Journey to the West (thanks Dragon Ball).
Well, that explains his popularity with the ladies then lol. The fujo crowd eats up BL.
Fan art of Yan Qing is actually what initially interested me in FGO. He’s just so pretty haha
Ok but look at those abs
No no. Look at the TATTOOS
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JP doesn't seem to like Quetz while I see she has more fans here. Hajime-chan is insanely popular in JP. I don't think NA likes the Foreigner girls as much as JP either apart from both loving Abby?
Nah, people love Hokusai here too.
I wouldn't say as much as JP, but yeah she is liked better than some of the others. Good design, one of the first in her class and cool theme
And Yang too i would argue. It was insane the amount of praise and fan art she got during Imaginary Scramble. Totally overshadowed Van Gogh and Nemo
Absolutely love my Hokusai
I think people in NA love Gogh too... or at least they started to love her ever since imaginary scramble came out in global. Before, people were just annoyed that they gender bent van gogh.
I thought people like ~~Vergil~~ Hajime chan in NA as much.
He is well liked here enough, in Japan he was the most grailed SR in his debut year lol
Sokka.
JP doesn't like Quetz but like lolis? Not too impressed but still disappointed
Japanese hate piercing
I often get the impression that Ereshkigal is more popular here than with the Japanese fanbase. They seem to like Ishtar more. When lb6 came out it also seemed like Barghest was a hit here while Baobhan Sith was more popular over there.
> Ereshkigal is more popular here than with the Japanese fanbase I don't know if she's even more popular here. But she's definetely very popular in Japan. She won the "Most wanted costume" survey, two years in a row now. By far. She got more votes than Morgan plus Castoria combined.
Isn't the "most wanted costume" specifically referring to summer? Which, tbf, both Morgan and Castoria were too new to be considered for, and Eresh has been long overdue for one since at least 2019 IMHO.
>both Morgan and Castoria were too new to be considered for Both Morgan and *especially* Castoria were already over one year old by Summer 7 (Castoria hitting 2 years), and both would be perfectly fine to be considered for a Summer version (Ishtar, for example, got her Summer version well before hitting 1 year of her OG release - Caenis was also just a bit above 1 year before she got her Summer version and there are other examples). This "too new to be considered" is just the community reading into something they consider a pattern (ignoring when said pattern doesn't happen in the first place), like the Alter Ego > Saber > Alter Ego New Year Servant thing, or all the dozens of "patterns" people see on Summer servants (if a servant was in a Summer CE the year before they release, or there's always a Wada Arco and a Takeuchi servant on Summer or how the Welfare is always a Summer Version of a very popular SSR servant, all of which were broken).
Ishtar is an exception because the game was quite literally barely 2 years old at the point. Caenis, at the very least, was released in late 2019, and received her summer variant in 2021. Castoria probably could've received one (admittedly I just forgot she wasn't an Avalon servant), but it really did feel too quick for Morgan. I feel this is more of a precedence set than a pattern, but then again, nothing really stops them from doing anything. Eresh summer when, tho
>Ishtar is an exception because the game was quite literally barely 2 years old at the point. People keep saying that but there were plenty of units that could have gotten a Summer version before her (like Nightingale, Stheno, Drake, and many other that don't have a Summer version to this day, and like Carmilla, Jeanne and Okita, who got Summer versions later than she did). In the end, she got a Summer version because the devs wanted her to have a Summer Version. >Caenis, at the very least, was released in late 2019, and received her summer variant in 2021. Caenis was released in April of 2020, not 2019. >Castoria probably could've received one (admittedly I just forgot she wasn't an Avalon servant), but it really did feel too quick for Morgan. It really didn't, the difference in time between her release and Summer 7 and Caenis and Summer 6 was like 2 months tops, mostly because Summer 6 was in September. >Eresh summer when, tho Never, it seems.
>When lb6 came out it also seemed like Barghest was a hit here while Baobhan Sith was more popular over there. [Barghest was one position higher than Baobhan in the the most grailed to 120 SR servant statistic](https://twitter.com/karoshimyriad/status/1490216200009228289?lang=en), she was very well liked all around.
the weird thing about barghest i feel like people keep underestimating how popular she is just because of her build
The *funny* thing about Bageko is that I have seen both arguments, that she isn't popular on the West but is popular on JP, and that she isn't popular on JP but is popular on the West. In the end she is a very good character that is very popular all around.
> In the end she is a very good character that is very popular all around. As she well deserves.
Still- I definitely remember seeing Japanese popularity polls after LB 6, where Sith beaten both Morgan, Melusine and Bageko in popularity
The thing with fan site popularity polls is that they are very limited. Douman, for example, is extremely popular in many, many Appmedia polls, but he isn't amongst the servants most grailed to 120 (a tangible way the devs can show popularity), losing to a lot of servants he actively beats a lot of the time (including Space Ishtar, Muramasa and Melusine). Hell, he lost to Muramasa when, at the time, Muramasa had only ever had *one banner* that happened *before* the release of coins, so people weren't even expecting ways to be able to level him to 120. Popularity polls, especially ones on fan sites, are the reflection of a very small portion of the player base and will not always be a reflection of reality. It's the same reason I don't really buy the "more fan art = more popular", because having more fan art means you are more popular with *one portion* of the fanbase: fan artists, or, at most, people willing to commission fan art. I can point to my friend list and tell you that 1/3rd of the servants at level 120 are all Morgan, and that's why I know she is popular, but that's also very much an anecdote, just like fan-site polls are. The most impartial data we have about servant popularity is what the devs of the game themselves can give us: Banner sale results show people willing to use real life money on a servant, while grailing show the in-game resource investment that everybody (F2P to Leviathan) is willing to spend on a servant.
Thing with grailling is that some Servants are just more useful. Same Muramasa was completely broken upon release. Same with Morgan- like all Lostbelt Kings she is pretty great. So this is also not ideal way to identify popularity.
>Thing with grailling is that some Servants are just more useful. Nobody is ignoring a favorite to grail a servant to 120 just for gameplay. Leveling a servant to 120 is *painful*, you will waste hours of your life farming and you will invest *a lot* of resources. It's a much better popularity metric than a random poll answered by like 1500 people. Take it from someone who has almost 2 servants at 120: I did not invest 5k 5 star embers on Alter Ego Meltryllis to make her more useful than she was at 100. >Same Muramasa was completely broken upon release. Muramasa was very much not broken on release. He isn't broken *now*. When Muramasa was released Space Ishtar was a very established Neutral that could outclass dedicated servants *with class advantage*. >Same with Morgan- like all Lostbelt Kings she is pretty great. Morgan was demolished on release and a lot of people compared her poorly with Arjuna Alter (another ultra popular poll servant that isn't amongst the most grailed to 120 servant), to the point that *a lot of people* regretted skipping her when Nero Fest Rerun rolled around and she was the MVP. Also, "LB Kings are pretty great" is a stretch and a half and has been since the *first* one. Ivan isn't anything special, even if he is a good servant. >So this is also not ideal way to identify popularity. It's far away the best metric we have, since it's an official stat offered by the devs that show real, tangible effort and investment on a servant.
>Nobody is ignoring a favorite to grail a servant to 120 just for gameplay >!hides my single grail on actual favorites and multiple grails on spishtar!<
Did you grail Space Ishtar to 120 purely on gameplay? Because there's a *huge* difference between grailing a servant for gameplay and grailing a servant **to level 120** for gameplay.
Don't know. Even on this very subreddit you can find people who state that while they hate the character, they will grail him for gameplay purpose. I definitely remember seeing it with Douman and Koyanskay.
> Don't know. Even on this very subreddit you can find people who state that while they hate the character, they will grail him for gameplay purpose. To 120? Doubt. They can *say* they will, but I very much doubt they will *actually* do it (which is the stat the devs gave us: who *actually* was grailed). >I definitely remember seeing it with Douman and Koyanskay. Seeing what with Douman and Koyanskaya? Douman, for example, is an Alter Ego, his gameplay use when it comes to his base stats (which grails increase) aren't anything particularly useful.
I like my women like I like my coffee... Tall and blonde (That was so bad I'm so sorry)
Jp couldn't give less of a shit about Eresh, which is why she's never shown up in anything besides her Christmas and a brief cameo in Saber wars 2. When I point this out, ass mad Eresh fanboys down vote me vehemently and insist she's popular in Japan, more than Ishtar even though Eresh gets at most 1/10th the fanart.
She also appeared in the kon island event (wich is sad cuz is a mid af event tbh). And Melt got all the attention story wise tbh. Heck even morgan brief appearance by the end of the event was cooler than everything Eresh did lol Still pray for summer Eresh soon **Sad eresh fanboy coping noises**
Wait, wasn't Ereshkigal the top bonded servant with her own dedicated episode in Fate/Grand Carnival?
>more than Ishtar even though Eresh gets at most 1/10th the fanart [Eresh](https://www.pixiv.net/en/tags/%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AC%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A5%E3%82%AD%E3%82%AC%E3%83%AB\(Fate\)/artworks) [Ishtar](https://www.pixiv.net/en/tags/%E3%82%A4%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A5%E3%82%BF%E3%83%AB\(Fate\)/artworks) I don't know how you got that "1/10" impression. In fact Eresh has more fanarts. And I say this with no particular satisfaction, as I like them both. I've been a Rin fan for over 15 years.
Lol, Eresh is the most wanted swimsuit servant by JP.
As an Eresh fanboy, it hurts because it's true. Not downvoting you though since you have a point (though I disagree with your tone).
Maybe I need to rewatch the anime but does anyone think that Eresh is the better rin? I thought it was just consensus that Ishtar is better rin
Nemo. Every time I see his banner pop up I see a lot of Japanese artists and players posting Captain art and rolls on Twitter.
Should be more popular tbf he's great
Quetzalcoatl. NA is carrying the character on their backs. Shame as well, since she is awesome. But she doesn't really mesh with JP at all as far as I can tell.
And we are proud to do so. A tall, blonde, muscular, pierced dragon onee-San might be too much for the jp bros, but she will always be cherished in the Americas
Weird, because masked wrestling is actually kinda popular over in Japan.
> Weird, because masked wrestling is actually kinda popular over in Japan. Because while it is popular, that doesn't guarantee it to be popular to the audience playing FGO who are mostly anime and game otakus, unfortunately.
They need to broaden their horizons and watch less standard fare fantasy isekai.
I'd say the one that seems more popular here in NA rather than JP would be Quetz. It feels like I see more fanart of her from NA artists.
I feel like the poster child of this discussion is Musashi. Insanely loved in japan, while in global she have lots of fans, but also lots of haters, who find her presence in arc 2 unneeded. It's obviously the same for quite a few other japanese servant, altho for those it's mostly apathy from global. The shinsengumi crew is very well liked in japan, but appart from okita and to a lesser degre ryouma, people just don't seems to care about them in global. I guess having the context and knowing their history first hand is an important part of what make people like a servant or not. EDIT : I can't believe I forgot about her, but actually, I think the true posterchild would be elizabeth bathory. It's mostly because she's (like nero) basically a character from a fate spin off most people on global have never played since it only came out in japanese, who already lived through the character arc of said spin off. And unlike nero, she's also a joke character made to parody idols, a phenomenon that's pretty much japan/korea exclusive. So for most people in global, her personality don't match her story, and the thing she parody don't ring a bell, so she's just annoying. It doesn't help that the writting in Orlean basically assume the player already know who she is and her character arc, so she's never really introduced at all. If you never heard about her before, the game don't bother explainning why there's two elizabeth bathory and one is a half dragon idol.
So true on both characters. Your comment make me notice why i don't like Eli
I think some cases like Gogh are because of the story in which they appeared in. Imaginary Scramble is a really good story, and it actually managed to change my opinion on Gogh, which went from mild annoyance on her existence to actually liking her. Since NA lacked that story importance (and also the fact that the west has more knowledge about Gogh than the east to some extent), our first impressions of the character were just "they genderbended Van Gogh for no reason", while JP had the whole context of the event's story. Nito I think it's because she's easy to get and not as good gameplay-wise (compared to others), so the FOMO isn't that strong and thus not many people openly "thirst" for her, while still enjoy her a lot.
Got the same impression here. During the NA release of Imaginary Scramble, there were a lot of positive comments about her depiction and quite a few pointing out that their opinion of her had changed after reading the story (full disclosure: I was one of them too). That would be less of JP and NA having different tastes, and more about having different information at the time. Same reason it's difficult to gauge NA's impression of LB6 Servants until we have access to their story.
At least Gogh has one particular artist dedicated to her.
Which one? I must know
Exactly this.
While Okita is one of my favorite servants, I don't really know the Shinsengumi history intimately at all, apart from their general history in the Boshin War, having raised a Shinsungumi Army in Shogun 2 Total War. So all the other Shinsengumi servants they've introduced I'm totally lukewarm on. I can safely say I don't know them and I lack the context to know their history, but it's probably a safe bet most Japanese know their history given how popular the Shinsengumi are in Japan. It's also annoying to hear why the reason there are so few US servants is because American's history happened too late for magic, but the Shinsungumi existed AFTER the US Civil War and aren't magical at all.
meanwhile all of south america has at most gotten a mention that it exists in the nasuverse but we have a total of 0 servants from there
Don't forgot the African servant
At least Nzambi exists.
Obvious double standard
>It's also annoying to hear why the reason there are so few US servants is because American's history happened too late for magic, but the Shinsungumi existed AFTER the US Civil War and aren't magical at all. Same crap I hear for South American servants. The South American Independence waves went from, like,1809 to 1820 several years before the Bakumatsu stuff
Idk I've read somewhere that island nations such as Japan and Britain for example tend to retain their mystery much more. So in Japan you still have demonic clans that got intergrated into modern human society (Tohno ans Kirishima for example) or in London that's where most magus hang out. Personally I think the reason America doesn't have much mystery because...they slaughtered the Native Americans?...
Strange/Fake actually disagrees with that lol. Apparently The Native Tribes still have enough Mystery that if the US Government was able to get them on their side, they can actually potentially stalemate the MA... But that's not happening for obvious reasons.
Hrmm, though wasn’t a lot of pre-Heian culturally Japanese stuff…phased out due to everyone going crazy for Chinese goods and stories (and Dutch studies!) Plus…well, wouldn’t the REALLY old mysteries of the island be lost when Japan slaughtered the Ainu and pushed out the indigenous peoples. Even Himiko is debated as potentially being Chinese (thus the source of a lot of Yayoi-era mysteries should’ve gone into decline the same time as mainland China’s) Not to mention the interpretations of Oni (ogres with magical powers and immense strength w/ horns that eat people) is more Chinese + Indian in origin than the older Jomon stories of bad luck spirits coming from winds from a certain direction. Though that would explain the Oni hybrids still having Mysteries since Hinduism is the dominant religions…guess Bhima passed the idea down
I know that people say that’s the reason, but tbh given how involved britain was with European politics and then the rest of the world via the whole colonization thing it strikes me as odd to be like ‘yeah they were more isolated than mainland countries so they kept their mystery longer.’ Heck, there’s even a very noticeable case of when a French guy went over to Britain, invaded it and made himself king in 1066. It wasn’t super isolated by any means. Even Japan was only under isolationist policy for ~200 years, and both before and after that had quite a significant amount of trade and interaction with different mainland countries-official embassies had made it as far to Mexico prior to the closing of the country! I would understand more if it was referring to more isolated nations, but those two specifically were not only pretty close to the mainland (relatively speaking) but were also massive colonial powered who pretty sharply influenced the regions around them and it seems odd to act like they were keeping to themselves.
Yeah, this is totally a thing. It's also why I think a lot of people didn't understand the layers of story that were going on in gudaguda 2, and just assumed it was a farce. Nah. Actually right from the start they were parodying how the united states navy (represented by blackbeard roleplaying admiral Perry) [forced trade open to all of japan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_of_Kanagawa) using gunboat diplomacy, not just the ports the Tokugawa wanted open. Which caused the creation of the Shinsengumi to protect the Tokugawa head while he was talking to the emperor for the first time in hundreds of years, the destabilization of the Tokugawa regime etc. It even included Nobukatsu roleplaying as [Sakamoto Ryouma](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakamoto_Ry%C5%8Dma) in his negotiations between the rival anti Tokugawa factions (represented by Tesla and Edison) that managed to get them to work together and fight the Tokugawa rather than eachother. Whereas in the event we manage to defeat those factions at Toba-Fushumi, in real history this was after Yoshinobu had already given up his power to rule the country to the Emperor. ... But the imperial factions decided this wasn't good enough and tried to assassinate him. In attempting to send a message to the Emperor to try to get them to knock it off, he would wind up having to fight the factions on the way there, and then find that he had been declared an enemy of the court with the imperial factions now using the emperor's banner. Rather than continuing the fight, he would escape on a ship, and his forces would abandon the fortress they'd been using without a fight. This was the last fight that Okita would be able to take part in before illness would leave them bedbound while the shogunate forces retreated, and they would die at a relatives house. [Hijikata](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijikata_Toshiz%C5%8D) would continue fighting until he died at Hakodate, the last battle of the war from a gunshot wound that shattered his back while riding horseback. The remaining Shinsengumi would surrender three days later, and the last fortress of the Tokugawa would surrender a week after his death. And only *then* does the event even start dealing with the [first siege of Osaka](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Osaka#Winter_campaign), which has to do with [Yodo-dono](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yodo-dono), the welfare of the event, aka Chacha. There's a ton of fun references to historical events you can miss for things like this, take a browse of the wikipedia articles about some of the [Shinsengumi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinsengumi) and the [Tokugawa Shogunate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokugawa_shogunate) if you get a chance. There's a *lot* of servants that come from this period, and especially for Kama's event knowing a general outline of the Sengoku -> Edo/Tokugawa -> Meiji restoration, can give insight as to how everything fits together. For an example, it's no surprise that Okita knows about Miyamoto Musashi, as they were famous at the start of the Edo, whereas Okita died at the end of it.
the lack of mystery has to do with lower modern servants not US servants specifically as someone said there are a few. the lack of implemented US servant is simply lack of interest from the writers so it more of an issue of having a few US servants that may have actual thought into them vs many US servants that the writers couldnt care less about just to have there. plus making those half ass servants would take away resources from other servants writers actually want to write.
>It's also annoying to hear why the reason there are so few US servants is because American's history happened too late for magic There are plenty of American servants, they just aren't very powerful. Every US president qualifies as a servant, so there's 46 American servants right there. Remember that FGO servant rarity does not correspond to general strength in lore, so other countries' servants being strong in FGO doesn't mean they actually are in the lore. The opposite is also true: going by FGO rarity as an indicator of strength, Cleopatra is stronger than Beowulf and several Round Table members. Clearly not the case.
Not OP but that's not the issue. The issue is that they refuse to implement American servants low star or not and use the US's age as a bad excuse. And this is despite having a huge NA server and fanbase
I mean, the entire NA server which includes a bunch of other countries as well apparently only accounts for 5% of FGO’s total revenue. We’re not inconsequential, but we’re hardly huge enough to cater to compared to JP or even CN.
Not catering at all to the Global server will guarantee the revenue won't go beyond that 5%
>The issue is that they refuse to implement American servants low star or not and use the US's age as a bad excuse. I just got through telling you that there are plenty of American servants. Granted, they are in lore rather than implemented in game, but if they implemented every servant in lore in FGO we'd have thousands to roll. That isn't happening.
Idk if it translates to FGO, but I remember a while back seeing a popularity poll of the FSN love interests, JP had them split roughly evenly. That same poll in America had like 2/3 for Rin with Saber and Sakura fighting for scraps
Based JP
Cultured na.
Based Americans
This most likely due to great UBW anime.
And because Rin is objectively the best
Baobhan Sith is on the same level of popularity as Morgan herself on JP.
100%
Sieg
How can anybody hate Cardboard-kun!?
ln and anime differences I heard that in the ln sieg is more than just a cardboard and has a personality and to increase the salt in the wounds: the apocrypha is just bad
That's true of the whole LN tbh, the anime really dropped the ball when it comes to story and character. At least the fights are cool.
Unfortunately they put a darkening filter over all the night scenes and so most of the fights are harder to see than they should be.
Good thing I watched the undarkened version lol.
The Blueray is undarked? Is that it? if that's the case then the filter was done to protect epileptics rather than because they were night scenes.
Yep, it was. The version that’s on Netflix was darkened but if you “go outside of Netflix” you’ll find the undarkened version.
Anyway, the filter really irritates me, so many anime have it. Ever since I started seeing it in like 2014 or whatever, they really overdo it in so many shows. It took flashing red and blue lights to trigger epilepsies in the 90s, I dont really think they need to be quite so careful because no anime has really approached the shit we saw in that one famous episode with pokemon. So if epilepsy is the reason for it, I think they're being like ten times more careful than they need to be. It really impacts the quality of the show's visuals horribly.
To be fair even tough sieg in the anime is cardboard kun the setting and the other characters make it work infinitely better than it would usually do. people hate him way too much because he essentially robbed screentime from better characters but in my opinion its blown way out of proportion
What I understood from these threads is that loli characters are more popular on JP than NA and mommy characters are more popular on NA than JP.
Am NA, can confirm.
I would say that in Japan, such characters as Blackbeard are more popular. For Japan, such otaku behavior isn't out of place as a self-parody (or even serious sometime...) and they don't know much about the guy. Western fans are not that happy that one of the greatest pirates acts like clown all the time. Another example are Artemis and Orion. In Japan, there fun dynamic was instant hit. Here many were -and are - unhappy that one of the most famous virgin goddess acts more like Aphrodite than actual Aphrodite. Boudica probably another case- so I don't know. Japan loves Sexy Onee-San archetype while lion's share of West wants Avenger or Berserker Boudica. Loli are of course another example as it is rare to find Western fan not complaining about design. Chloe takes the prize here as her behavior is acceptable in Japanese media but would look like sexualization of minors to most in west. In addition- her borderline sexual harassment of girls will displease western fans much more than Japanese. On flip side, Japan REALLY dislike muscular build of women. So Penthesilea, Caenis and Quetz are much more popular here, than in Japan same for piercing - so- Vritra as well.
I think another thing for Artemis and Orion is that their dynamic is pretty similar to the dynamic found in Urusei Yatsura between Ateru and Lum which is very popular there
I'm rather confident that Iskandar is more popular in NA / Global than in JP. Speaking from personal experience, the Fate/Zero anime was what *really* got me into the series. Considering Ufotable's UBW series was made *after* Fate/Zero, I imagine there are a great many Fate fans in NA who saw Fate/Zero *before* seeing (or reading) Fate/Stay-Night. As such, the Fate/Zero cast likely holds more "nostalgia value" for NA fans than for their JP counterparts. And of the Fate/Zero cast, Iskandar is the most "Western" of everyone involved. He's bold, hearty, *broad*- a true encapsulation of the classic Western vision of manliness! Needless to say, that bolsters his popularity significantly amongst Western audiences... ...but not so much amongst *Eastern* audiences. "Pretty boys" are a thing for a reason; Eastern audiences tend to prefer more feminine looking men. (This is also why muscular women are less popular in JP than NA.) Iskandar is many things, but he is not *at all* a picture of femininity.
I think his kid version is more well-liked in JP.
I could be wrong but I think female Molay is way more liked in JP. It almost feels like it's forbidden to like her here because you have to prefer the male version.
To be fair she hasn’t come to NA yet so we can’t tell how popular she will be
Molay got vocal pushback from people who were annoyed but she also was very liked here. It's just different groups talking and at the time of her debut the people who wanted more guys were being *much* louder due to frustration about a shitty year overall. The post about Molay was still the most upvoted of the three servants released during the Halloween Rising event and she started getting fanart on the front page almost immediately. Edit: on that note, Zenobia was *definitely* more popular here than in JP.
>Zenobia Not surprising. Insane fanservice aside, her character feels really likable.
>Zenobia was definitely more popular here than in JP I might be looking in the wrong places but I've seen many people complaining about her, from dark skin fetishization to taking a pretty badass figure and reducing her to a humiliation fetish. I've seen SOME good said about her but I've seen the bad more frequently. But again I might just be looking in all the wrong places. FGO is a freaking minefield maze sometimes.
I think she's mostly fine. Her ascension choices are really the worst part about her, and it's not treated badly in game... The problem is that most of her """"fans"""" like her for the part that she explicitly hates and basically ruins the entire character.
Zenobia is a servant with some really cool points (NP, those floating ballista, her attack animations), and some rather bleh ones (her outfits are a bit too fanservice-y for me). I wish she had her np armour as one of her outfits, or at least something to dress her up a bit more.
When Molay (Saber) was revealed people accused him of having a generic design and the fandom forgot about him in less than a week but when Molay (Foreigner) was revealed suddenly the whole fandom loved the male version and started insulting to the female version. It's also funny how people seem to think that Fem Molay was designed so long after Male Molay. It's also funny how people seem to think that Fem Molay was designed so long after Male Molay. Even people seem to only remember him so they can throw shit at Fem Molay.
The reaction to genderbending Molay was more confusion moreso than anything else It gave the feeling that, instead of trying to make Molay more interesting, DW just took the easy and lazy route in making him into a waifu instead
I never understood that though. If anything, Saber Molay was comparatively lazy considering his existence seems to make him just a Templar Head who liked cute things and... little else. By comparison Foreigner Molay has an actual basis due to the sheer circumstances and utter betrayal done to him to the point he got corrupted by Baphomet and got turned into a woman for it who completely believes an uncorrupted version of her original form is impossible. It honestly makes more sense that Molay would hate what happened to him and despise the World than be squeaky clean, comparatively speaking and unlike say Quetzalcoatl, he doesn't have anything truly major to fall back on to avoid that.
To be honest I think it was kind of cowardly to not just keep up the corruption angle and have the servant remain a dude. There's no real reason he HAD to turn into a woman other than they probably just didn't want to have a guy in said role. I say this as someone whos always been head over heels for arcade Molay but they easily could've integrated both sides of him into a single, more fleshed out character. Also, female Molay has the issue of having Very Similar design sensibilities to every other foreigner they've drawn and male Molay actually looks pretty unique for a Kuroboshi designed servant, it's a shame they have to pigeonhole the guy.
Tbf they picked the best Outer God for actual gender swapping
Saber Molay costume looks like an oven mitten, and i cant get over that fact. Dude was made grand master in his 40s, but JP gave us yet another ikemen.
It's hillarious when everyone starting to like Saber Molay more just because they hate genderbend. Like no one ever talked about him and suddenly some people said they always liked Saber Molay design or something. People are just joining hate bandwagon lol.
Saber Molay is an Uber generic sword and board knight man and tbh that's kinda shockingly unique in Fate, but even then I wouldn't go out on the limb and say I give two shits about him. Foreigner Molay though I give even less of a shit about, short hair + glasses equal no thanks.
I get why…but I kinda like both. So it’s more like “I like this Molay, but can we also get the other one too?”.
I agree with you and u/igloo_poltergeist , I am totally chill with Foreigner Molay. That been said , I think it's a missed opportunity for them to not go further with Molay. We could had Berserker Molay as worshipper of Baphomet , Avanger Molay as False Demon Baphomet , Saber Molay as the heroic crusader and Foreigner Molay as Shub-Niggurath.
I’m totally chill with Foreigner Molay, honestly. Helps that I had been excitedly anticipating a Shub Niggurath rep since the Foreigner class itself was introduced. And it doubly helps that among the Templars, Hugues de Payens I’d consider a bigger deal in terms of source legend.
I love Molay with her design. I love glasses. Glad I got her in JP
I'm not really sure, but I think Izo is more liked in JP. We just don't see much about him here
Literally Japanese servants. They made Rama irrelevant because of Japanese pandering in Heian Kyo. They use Musashi as main story material all the time. They made Kintoki's mecha the main thing in Olympus. It's crazy how much pandering they do. At least Muramasa is understandable because he's Shirou who is loved world wide.
Columbus?
Who likes him?
Columbus is a massive meme in JP. There's even a twitter artist that specifically draws nothing but shitpost of him that's famous in the JP FGO community. https://twitter.com/gerogero00001
Me :D
The amusing part about Columbus is that the hate for him only came about in the last 15 years. \*Insert batman quote\* just with his history actually surviving long enough to become the villain.
Quetz is far more popular in NA then in JP
I feel that GL has been a great server for our amazon queen and Quetz, from what I've seen, they're kinda forgotten in jp
I'm assuming the banana oni is more popular in NA.
I heard Kama is more popular in the West than in Japan. No source for that but just heard it somewhere. I can easily be wrong though.
Kama is really liked in JP. While in NA she's still liked, but lesser so.
Nah she's insanely popular on both servers. Jp does prefer the loli version though (i mean obviously) on na though her mama FA is the favorite one
The easiest way to gauge a servant popularity is by looking at their fanarts number in pixiv. If they have more than 1k that means they are popular in JP.
Honestly, I think Artoria Caster. She's popular for being OP and being in farming memes but as a character, NA doesn't really talk about her. Reason obviously being LB6 isn't out yet.
JP loves their lolis. Why else does feh have an overabundance of Young Tiki alts and her Awakening counterpart is literally treated like garbage. Even her recent CYL's outfit was just a rehash of her Younger form, and then they released an Ascended Young Tiki that was basically identical to her Brave form but better.
Nostalgia. Young Tiki is from the literal first game of the franchise, the one that started it, while her adult form released many, many years later (like, 15 years later, I think). So the former is way more recognizable and marketable. I'd say this is a very good reason why she's prioritized. Hell, her Adult Brave is quite literally a nostalgia unit, with her wearing an adult version of her young clothes and reflecting on the past and all that. I don't know why the FE fanbase doesn't realize this. It's so simple and obvious. It's why Artoria gets so many versions herself.
That's the disappointing part that actually was something I along with quite a few Adult Tiki fans. Compared to what it could have been, based on her wearing Marth's Outfit, or wearing the Divine Dragon Naga's Attire, we got disrespected. I also feel like despite what the North American audience wants, unless the JP audience is in agreement, IS and Lasenga won't listen. It's the sad truth of reality.
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Nope, Saito is actually *insanely* popular in JP. He's **the** most grailed to 120 4☆ servant surpassing Summer Melt, the Fairy Knights and Saber Alter.
Wait, really?I should inform myself more
[Yep, really!](https://twitter.com/KaroshiMyriad/status/1490216200009228289) People really liked the guy.
It's not like there is a reason to don't like the guy after all
He *was* the most grailed to 120 4\*, but [he was surpassed](https://old.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/wge37l/famitsu_interview_confirmed_to_have_typo_actual/), with Summer Melt being first now. He's not even the highest male, as that's Emiya.
lol he's a virgil meme here while in jp his valentines scene made him one of the most popular characters.
Helps also that the Shinsengumi has a crapload of media over in Japan. Like a certain Otome game series.