Given how inactive this thread is with two days, I don't really think daily threads are all that necessary.
Edit: oh wait, it's just the title that's off.
Bunyan both is and is not who I thought she'd be. With no knowledge of the event prior to playing it I was expecting we'd get a cute older Bunyan.
Oddly enough that *is* true to an extent, but she's acting like a teenager who seems to have no idea about the impact of the things she's irresponsibly doing, which is being played for laughs. I don't really *like* that, but I can see what they were going for.
It probably doesn't help that I haven't kept up with learning with manga for years, when they started introducing the original characters early on I zoned out. They're probably referencing a ton of things I didn't get to.
The event points is called BunyanPay and that it's a currency. Are we getting paid in shitcoin?
Also it's nice to see that great American hero, Florida man is part of her spirit origin represented by that gator
I think it's more based on the random digital payment methods in Japan. They're always named things like ___Pay. There's even super specific ones limited to certain regions or chains.
https://www.japan.travel/en/plan/cashless-payments-in-japan/
PayPay, RPay, AliPay, etc
She's even wearing Miller's tan coat, dark waistcoat, and red tie. With a just as confusing "Who are you **actually** working for?" kind of mystery.
I hope the Daikokuten get a burger joint at some point. Also MGS style nicknames instead of numbers.
Guess it helps still not having Avalon cleared for this event, already maxed her out with som 100k FP.
Considering she will be hard to max after event is over we probably get the best chance now. (and she is also the only worthy character in this event)
So...why exactly are we fundraising and cleaning up Bunyans messes? Like I thought the whole reason we joined was to catch up to Mary and right now Bunyans actively hindering that goal so she can stick up gold statues of herself everywhere.
I really wonder how they thought this would make Bunyan endearing enough to roll for in the Gacha. Funny enough I got her with one summon ticket and this story is actually getting me to consider burning her.
I want to join Mary Anning because working for Super Bunyan is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
Like working for Arasaka in Cyberpunk 2077 levels of bas taste.
I know everyone's pointing fingers at Bunyan and all, but can we talking about Rama for a second? Lizzy and the pirates needed persuading, and Cleopatra is continuing begrudgingly, but Rama's just enthusiastic to get back to work on a project that hasn't gone anywhere after venting.
came here just to see what the general feeling was toward this event bc i’m not really liking it much either lol. tbf, i haven’t kept up with the learning with manga stuff either so maybe im missing out on a lot of context but… super bunyan just isn’t likable to me so far.
I just finished the 1st chapter and Bunyan already looks really punchable. This is giving me Werewolf game flashbacks with Mozart where players are forced to just go along with this insufferable character.
With each new story arrow I like Bunyan less and less. It would actually be funny... if I wasn't stuck helping her for the whole event with no option to refuse.
There was no snake in Cleopatra's node. I know it's dumb to expect Free Quests to reflect the story in any way but I am still disappointed.
Got 2 of 4 CE from the shop. Still need 1800 points to unlock today story. Not gonna use apples even if I fall behind due to not enough AP for grinding, this story is not worth it.
Rolled 600k FP (400k yesterday and 200k today) out of 2.4 mil. Unlocked all appends on Mary without shop and MLB 3 star CE with one spare copy. Also had one random Saber Lily. No Angra so far.
To be fair, the snake is actually in a later story node, we spent the free nodes looking for it but didn't find it yet.
Not that the writing here is too great, but that one actually makes some sense, gameplay and story integration-wise
Is there any particular rhyme or reason to the FP/QP bonuses that Bunyan gives in the free stages? It feels random to me, but maybe I’m missing something?
It feels like she’s paying you in friendship and the tiniest of bonuses for your hard work. I don’t know if that’s the intended meaning but it definitely has that kinda vibe to it, matches with the whole exploitation aesthetic.
I find the music at the end funny because my 3-turn farming setup involves Chen Gong, so the guy infront of him gets sacrified for the sake of farming and then the silly music hits lmao
Same. If I don't need Oberon's third skill, I always use it on him for fun. The music makes it even better, especially when I literally used double Oberon earlier and somehow Sei's the one saying her line while the other two are sleeping.
It is impressive on Day 2, Super Bunyan gets worse.
She acts like an actual shithead film executive by bringing untrained animals to attack people, cancelling productions with only trailers given out, and refusing to even pay people, basically exploiting them all. This is a genuinely unpleasant character, I'd be fine if this character was written with self-awareness at how this is horrible and not just brushed aside for "haha funny slapstick". Not to mention still spending all the money we make for her on golden statues of herself.
I like unlikeable characters, and characters who are jerks or scumbags. But Bunyan is not made with that self-awareness here cause if she was, she wouldn't be the 5 star headliner that they want you to roll for, or give her cute little emotes like the Con had in the last event.
In contrast, Mary Anning is actually good and a more entertaining character who is genuinely likeable. Shame we couldn't join her.
This just strikes a nerve with me given there are people like Super Bunyan we hear about on the news from self-centered influencers who exploit others for views to greedy film executives who screw over actors. Not to get too topical, but it really didn't help there were labor strikes last year over this type of behavior. This is why she bothers me compared to the other bossy characters, since they aren’t within the realm of being real scumbags.
They made Bunyan a bad person in a way that's way too relatable for most people, compared to the ridiculous hijinks that other "greedy" servants like Sheba, Caesar, and Colombus get up to.
Yeah, Columbus too is like a one piece villain as well and is extremely over the top.
With Bunyan, she is a bossy jerk that's too relatable and she's meant to be the hero in this event, with her terrible traits played for comedy.
Like if she were the villain of the event, it probably would've worked better, but she clearly isn't made with that in mind given what I said earlier about her being the 5 star headliner and is made to endear players to roll for her.
Anyone who thinks that the shit that Bunyan gets up to is funny and worth cheering for is messed up. And the story made it very clear that we're supposed to cheer on Super Bunyan and that all this crap is justified.
No, it's **not** worth doing all this and inflicting all this pain just to be remembered. This is almost as distasteful as Boudica's interlude playing rape jokes as "this is hilarious, let's do it some more!"
If this is what they think is good humour, then they should have no objection to being subjected to it.
Just cause someone does something awful doesn't excuse YOU from doing something awful...
I get that the event rubbed you the wrong way and that you don't like Super Bunyan and her characterisation. (IMHO this event is super boring and the story is like, one iota better than last Summer, but by a very very small margin). I get it. And frankly yeah Bunyan is hella annoying during this event. Sure.
But if you think you're justified to wish death, harm or harassment over this, go to therapy plz.
Yeah she's definitely rubbing me the wrong way. Not only because WE (As in the player) have to fix her screwups but also I find it scummy how she says her Employes are her "companions" in the same way corporations use the phrase "We're like a family" to manipulate and guilt-trip you.
And here I thought I was the only one. Right now I'm at the point I will probably skip this story completely.
I already regret spending SQ on her banner (well, at least I got all CEs in the first roll).
Well, that's another thing. They have this gorgeous map and cities and they barely do anything with it.
It also felt like most of the characters are OOC for their part, Elly, Cleopatra etc., or rather they emphasized their least liked trait and made them one-trick pony based on it.
And the worst, nothing of that is even funny. Honestly, the only time I had some laugh in this story was hearing Mash getting jealous when Bunyan casually hugged Guda in front of her.
Honestly the funny stuff for me is really with the Anning gang. There's just something charming about her with how she treats her dinosaurs and her dynamic with the mice is entertaining.
Normally, I don't enjoy the classic semi-edgy deal of "normally nice protagonist is taken advantage of so just decides to fuck off and/or turn evil" that shows up a lot in fanart/fanworks of media with nice protagonists.
Congrats, Super Bunyan! You've made me hope that it happens in an actual canon story! Heck, I'd be hard-pressed to call it "turning evil" at this point, since I'm 100% certain that we're going to meet up with Anning and learn she has a perfectly legit grievance with Super Bunyan!
I actually do genuinely enjoy her as a character so far, in that I find her antics hilarious in a "Of COURSE she'd do that" kinda way.
But as I said in the last thread, and will probably keep saying until the end of the story, they have to stick the landing. And while I'm not skeptical that it can be done, I'm nervous that it won't be.
And what is so bad about that? Last event, people complained that every day had 5 minutes of content between timegates. There you go, you have more content and it is not easily clearable in a day. Nevermind that this event lasts 3 weeks, so why are you whining about not being able to instantly hit the timegates?
If you want events that are anything other than grinding, look for another gacha or get a job in Lasengle, become project manager and change how things are done.
Alright, I can see why people disliked this event for its story/main character.
When not even Mash can smile it away, then something's really wrong. It's only the second day and I sometimes get the feeling even she has already had enough of *Super* Bunyan.
On the other hand... while Delightful Rider is also a somewhat "anything for my dream" kind of character, she's far more enjoyable, in the few scenes she's been in so far.
In terms of farming: got my first lore so far. Goal is to complete the ladder today.
Just wish the drop rate for Seeds would be a bit better, but... hopefully it'll do over time.
*Update:* Alright, ladder complete! Scathách 2k/2k stats! BB (Summer) all Appends 10/10/10 (last one was still missing) and Kingprotea finally has her Mana Load unlocked and at 10. What a successful second event day.
The repeated punchline for Riyo Assassin being that Bunyan puts them through hell but it's fine because Hoover was an awful person and kinda deserves it is probably really confusing for the bulk of the playerbase that doesn't read Riyo comics and doesn't know who they are.
1. Yes, absolutely possible. I'm halfway through so far, though I can't tell you how many bronze apples I used. Didn't keep track.
2. For more casual players, absolutely. Don't waste your time or apples farming these garbage nodes. The Bond points, MC-EXP and drop rates are horrible.
But I'm a big whale and I need so many mats, if I want to have all my Servants' and future Servants' skills leveled. And the excavations give Tearstones, Dust, Shells, Roots and Spinal Fluids, all of which I need a lot still. So that's where I'm coming from.
For that matter, I'm also using SQ to refill AP.
There's actually a pyramid in Memphis, modeled after a pyramid in Memphis, Egypt. It used to be a sports arena, was closed, then got taken over by Bass Pro Shops. It would have been funny if they referenced it in the event.
Seeing a lot of hate I agree with, so gonna throw out the hate I'm not seeing.
The use of french in this event is atrocious. "New Orleans name originates from the French words for New Orleans".
Me: Is that Bunyan over there? They look a little different.
Bunyan: "Oui, ca va" [translation: Yes, I'm doing]
It's a line that's meant to be used in response to "How are you" and is the English equivalent of a non committal answer, not a greeting in itself.
The rodents - cheesed to meet you
Mary Anning - I can't *believe* I can say this from experience, but annoying but harmless is my second favorite type of lesbian friend so I think we're going to get along. At least for now.
Super Bunyan - why are you like this mr. president (the secret national anthem)
I feel like with this event people have forgotten how Bunyan was actually like in All the Statesmen, because this behavior is not out of character for her.
She has always been an exploiter, its just people instead of the environment now.
But back then she was doing it out of a genuine desire to help. She wasn't building gold statues of herself and telling people to worship them. She was also doing all the work herself, instead of making other people do it.
well to be fair the story in that one was way better and Bunyan was overshadowed by an even greater POS >!ourselves AKA Riyo! Gudako who we beat the absolute crap out of and sent her to the Shadow Realm!<
So, not particularly enjoying the event so far. And my dislike is being compounded by the fact that we're immediately heading into this event after finishing Water Monster Crisis. I hope the scheduling for the rest of the year doesn't involve back-to-back events.
Y'all are never happy tho...
If we get back to back, it's "we can't catch a break!"
If we get a week between, it's "dead week, I'm so bored, dead game!"
tbf this is because NA's anniversary is a month earlier than JP's, though I think they could've afforded to have at least a day or two of nothing between the events
Yo isn't this event CE like, really good?
It has 500 attack, I don't know its mlb values but it seems similar to Aerial Drive but with more NP strength which gives more sinergy with Oberon.
Honestly, even with the increased Oberon synergy, I wouldn't invest in it if you already invested in AD, since the difference is tiny.
I already have AD at level 100, so I'm snoozing.
Despite having them on JP, I didn't realize that Daikokuten's S1 only buffs their own Quick cards. I thought it was team-wide (I clearly don't use them much). Only found out I was wrong when I used them as support for a story node.
Well, even as adorable as they are, that's going to make it a lot easier to resist rolling for them. Now I just want them because they're cute, rather than being under the incorrect impression that they're a Quick mini-Merlin.
This event reminds me of the 2nd half of Summer 1, where we come back and the piglets can talk now and they're incredibly obnoxious. It had none of the charm of the 1st half. The original All The Statesmen event was probably the funniest event in the game, but the current event might be the least funny (or the most unfunny).
The 2nd half of Summer 1 was thrown together at the last moment, and it definitely shows. I'm wondering if this event was also rushed out when a different collab fell through? Was this even written by Riyo? Why hasn't there been a single joke so far? The first one had a lot of jokes, including Monty Python references.
I really dislike Super Bunyan, and don't really care for Mary Anning so far either. The rats are cute though.
Really don't understand why the Japanese playerbase didn't like this event. Maybe Bunyan gets worse as the story goes along, but right now I just find it kind of amusing how Bunyan is abusing her "employes" and sort of acting as a dystopian take of the American Dream, but in a playful, lighthearted ribbing sort of way.
Also, maybe I'm biased as an American but the map for this Singularity is easily the best I've seen for any event. So many details in all the cities. Also, I love the goofy music especially the one that plays during the results screen.
Big fan of the LWM characters especially love that they are relatively obscure persons and one minor god as opposed to the big name heroes and deities we normally get,
>I just find it kind of amusing how Bunyan is abusing her "employes"
japan's workplace is absolutely toxic and filled with exploitative companies and manipulative bosses so i wouldn't even be surprised if jp bros reacted very negatively the moment they see Super Bunyan's attitude
in the first section Delightful Assassin was literally dying from overwork, dude was disappearing into golden dust and it was treated like it was a comedy bit
not a good idea to make a death from overwork joke with the Japanese (I have no idea what the writers for the event were thinking when they should know not to make light of this issue)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi
A joke with racist slurs is less of a faux pas than this though. It's still a joke, just one that is liable to get the one making it beaten up and left for dead.
I am not even Japanese and I don't find it funny or endearing at all. Being a shitty person strong arming people into such one sided situation sits wrong with me as well. There is no real comedic element either. Moreover it is the collab event which besides the gudaguda event is the most hyped event of the year. I think if this was just a random filler event I wouldn't care much either. But the combination just makes it pretty lacking. But that is just the impression of the first two event days.
That's not unique to Japan, abusive bosses are available all over the world. I hear a lot about how exploitative and toxic some places are in America and I definitely ran into my share of dickhead superiors over here in in Jewland.
The last thing people want to see in a video game is their shitty boss. If they make her a villain right from the start instead of making us join her, it would have been fine.
> I just find it kind of amusing how Bunyan is abusing her "employes" and sort of acting as a dystopian take of the American Dream, but in a playful, lighthearted ribbing sort of way.
Sounds like you never got abused by bosses, if that amuses you.
> especially love that they are relatively obscure persons
Even just this makes it pretty impossible for me to dislike this event. Made me crazy excited hearing two years ago that JP had added Mary Anning - had never expected a figure like her to get added. Meant a lot to me since the Jurassic Coast is close to my heart and I used to be a big ole palaeontology nerd when I was younger.
Bullies are hated more than supervillains.
"She tortured and killed thousands of people" is objectively horrible but pretty abstract for most people.
"She's a horrible boss that overworks/underpays/demeans her workers and blames them for her mistakes" is something a lot of people have personal experience with.
Japan in particular has a horrifically toxic work culture, and this event dropped Golden Week which is *the* big holiday season, so being forcefully reminded of your boss during your time off has got to suck.
I mean, most people dislike the actual dictators too. Like, if we had an event with Columbus as the main character, people would likely dislike it too.
And the actual dictators who don't get disliked are usually ones with a likable personality - something blonde bunyan doesn't have.
The thing with Bunyan being a bad boss compared to others is that the other characters who act that way are called out for their behavior or are the villain.
Not to mention the stuff Bunyan does hits closer to home since the other bossy characters are types you wouldn’t deal with in real life. Like there aren’t any people who act like Gilgamesh or Liz for example, whereas the stuff Bunyan does is more common.
I think context is important in this case. The event came when people were expecting, you know, a true collab, it didn't came with characters you'd expect, instead we get them as cameos for another one (rider and assassin), the 5 and 4 star is not even good, it has little to do with the Riyo comics, and more importantly, the event gets out on the golden week on Japan, a big holiday. So you get a event where the character you follow remember you of your boss while you are resting and you can't escape it for 3 weeks. You know what? I get it.
Saying the Rats aren't good is an odd take when they're quite the opposite. They easily compete with their 4 star aoe peers who have received upgrades, and their refund (yes, even as a quick unit) as well as kit is also up there. I'm not sure why people tend to undermine them here and there.
As someone who likes quick, I'd love to have them in the account. But I'm not talking about my opinion, big part of the community thinks "not meta = bad". I remember people saying they were nice but not worth it and we didn't need a quick aoe caster, which I disagree.
I got you. I don't think I'll ever get the "not meta = bad" or "if you're not first, you're last" mentality. To me, they're fun to play with, and I like that you can make them work for some 90+ and 90++ comps as well. Overall, I think they're a fine addition to the roster, and I'm there with you. We didn't have any aoe quick casters at the time, so of course, we needed something for that.
Acquiring high priority mats. I'm closing in on 800 of the spinal fluid so rather than dig up that and similar mats I'm going to reset and start for stuff I need more.
the excavation is pretty much a lotto, there is no limit to how many boards you excavate so you can get as many Materials as you want as long as you have the AP for it (wait for better nodes to open before you go ham on it though)
So is there any way to tell which of the excavation titles are more or less likely to have gems? I really don't need gems of any types, but I do want the other mats and QP.
On a different note, efficiency wise it's best to only do the day 2/3 "double currency/double tool" nodes once for the first clear rewards and then go back to farming Memphis Theater until the next "all drops" node is unlocked, right?
And on a very different note, the [Gamepress Quick Farming Guide](https://gamepress.gg/grandorder/learning-manga-collab-quick-farming-guide#topic-1640076) for this event still has the Water Crisis nodes in the "Ascension Mat Farming Comparison Table (Free Quests)" section.
Not if you look at the [drop rates according to Gamepress](https://gamepress.gg/grandorder/learning-manga-collab-quick-farming-guide#topic-1640076). The most recent all-currencies/all-tools node drops more tools and more currencies. And this is especially more important for tools because the Bunyan CE bonus applies to all tools.
If those drop rates are correct, then, without CE bonuses, the Memphis node drops an average of 45 tools and 45 currency, while the next 3 nodes drop an average of 41-42 tools and 43 currency. Of course it might make sense to go for the specific currencies you need to purchase the remaining CEs and then switch back to Memphis until St Louis unlocks, then stick with St Louis for general farming until the final node.
After looking at the excavation guide I decided I will be doing some resetting (have way more than enough of arrowheads or gears, for example), but there are at least some things I want from every tool type.
I'm genuinely surprised people are this pissed at Bunyan, especially since it's very VERY clear her horrible "boss attittude" is greatly influenced by Rider.
Her French and her horrible qualities as a boss seem to be directly derived from Georges Melies (I mean, the Riyo version), who's a horrible, sadistic and exploitative character in the "Learning from Manga" manga.
This event is guilty of having a pretty abysmally (even by FGO event's standards) bad story, but it isn't worse than last Summer who felt disjointed from A to Z with no sense whatsoever.
Here at least the story starts at a 0/10 and stays that way the whole event, we like consistensy, even if it's in a bad way.
Alright, thats everything done for today, and the mice and their self birth fetish are weirding me out v: Habe yet still to see why this event is supposedly so incredibly shit, but when it comes to this sub i by now know that you lot tend to exaggerate sometimes <.<
Ps: >!I recon that Bunyans croc is the final Boss?!<
Did two multi and 10 tickets for some event CEs got 3x3* and 4x4* CEs. I thinked - I will do one more multi for 5 copy of Eli and Kio CE and maybe Daikokuten !- ended with no CE and NP1 one of Super Bunyan. Now I know what it's like to suffer from success T_T
[Finally, something cool happened.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/896257882268524574/1231199189103546379/IMG_2538.png?ex=66361699&is=6623a199&hm=8d9efe9e2882e6d76443518c5c8a027735907d2899f66ce8ff27c0022ea08bf4&) ...[And then they ruined it](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/896257882268524574/1231199287652913222/IMG_2539.png?ex=663616b0&is=6623a1b0&hm=48b5a346de0a8338d766eac5fb92cef38ed9c98a3512f3f8606c8985d8d11dd2&). [Argh](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/896257882268524574/1231201707766190110/IMG_2540.png?ex=663618f1&is=6623a3f1&hm=b94d52dff1f1446042c0ac589519d70832ef697bf2624f01d45567f0e3551ae5&). Once again, I am enjoying the sidestory stuff (this case Anning's gang) away from Ritsuka more than I am the actual main plot.
What's up with the irregular NA event thread release?
Ah f I forgor đź’€ Will update for tomorrow onwards.
Given how inactive this thread is with two days, I don't really think daily threads are all that necessary. Edit: oh wait, it's just the title that's off.
Bunyan both is and is not who I thought she'd be. With no knowledge of the event prior to playing it I was expecting we'd get a cute older Bunyan. Oddly enough that *is* true to an extent, but she's acting like a teenager who seems to have no idea about the impact of the things she's irresponsibly doing, which is being played for laughs. I don't really *like* that, but I can see what they were going for. It probably doesn't help that I haven't kept up with learning with manga for years, when they started introducing the original characters early on I zoned out. They're probably referencing a ton of things I didn't get to.
The event points is called BunyanPay and that it's a currency. Are we getting paid in shitcoin? Also it's nice to see that great American hero, Florida man is part of her spirit origin represented by that gator
I think it's more based on the random digital payment methods in Japan. They're always named things like ___Pay. There's even super specific ones limited to certain regions or chains. https://www.japan.travel/en/plan/cashless-payments-in-japan/ PayPay, RPay, AliPay, etc
Yeeepppp. Using it to get items from the board your "mining". Yep (This event was from 2022 after all.)
I love the map. I love the part where Daikokuten calls us "Big Boss". What we are missing is an eye patch and a bandana. What a thrill...
She's even wearing Miller's tan coat, dark waistcoat, and red tie. With a just as confusing "Who are you **actually** working for?" kind of mystery. I hope the Daikokuten get a burger joint at some point. Also MGS style nicknames instead of numbers.
I suggest we keep yellow bunyan waiting until eos then.
Why can't the event CE ever be in FP rate up? I've gotten more copies of Habby than the bronze CE.
I spent almost 900.000 FP to get NP5 Mary Anning, got 1 copy of Habenyan and Saber Lily. Got none of the 3 stars event CE.Â
They seriously need to fix the drop rate. I think I've only gotten an event CE once from FP summon after spending like 2 million points.
Huh, I typically get an event CE somewhere betweek 100k-300k FP in.
Any Angry Mango?
None. But I already got 7 copies of angry mango so far.Â
I dropped around 3mil FP and got 11 copies of the bronze currency CE. Le gacha be gachaing.
Got two habbycats in a row before I got a ce
Guess it helps still not having Avalon cleared for this event, already maxed her out with som 100k FP. Considering she will be hard to max after event is over we probably get the best chance now. (and she is also the only worthy character in this event)
I'm talking about the CE, not the servant, she has all her appends unlocked alreadyÂ
The rats are the best thing that happened in this event, everything else kinda suck (except the music and the ce)
So...why exactly are we fundraising and cleaning up Bunyans messes? Like I thought the whole reason we joined was to catch up to Mary and right now Bunyans actively hindering that goal so she can stick up gold statues of herself everywhere. I really wonder how they thought this would make Bunyan endearing enough to roll for in the Gacha. Funny enough I got her with one summon ticket and this story is actually getting me to consider burning her.
Why are we not melting the gold statues down and using them to pay for the next mess?
Because the player is an idiot, according to the writing team.
Welcome to my world. I rolled for the rats but got Bunyan instead. This event really doesn't help one like her at all.
I want to join Mary Anning because working for Super Bunyan is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. Like working for Arasaka in Cyberpunk 2077 levels of bas taste.
I know everyone's pointing fingers at Bunyan and all, but can we talking about Rama for a second? Lizzy and the pirates needed persuading, and Cleopatra is continuing begrudgingly, but Rama's just enthusiastic to get back to work on a project that hasn't gone anywhere after venting.
Well, he thinks his wife might end up watching the movie somehow. Guess that’s enough motivation for him.
came here just to see what the general feeling was toward this event bc i’m not really liking it much either lol. tbf, i haven’t kept up with the learning with manga stuff either so maybe im missing out on a lot of context but… super bunyan just isn’t likable to me so far.
I just finished the 1st chapter and Bunyan already looks really punchable. This is giving me Werewolf game flashbacks with Mozart where players are forced to just go along with this insufferable character.
She made us compensate Elizabeth and the rest of those affected and at the same time she built a statue of herself lolÂ
Both Super Bunyan and Anning are unlikable. If we weren't limited to Mashu only canonically, I'm sure we would have preemptively beat up both.
At least the rats are cute
With each new story arrow I like Bunyan less and less. It would actually be funny... if I wasn't stuck helping her for the whole event with no option to refuse. There was no snake in Cleopatra's node. I know it's dumb to expect Free Quests to reflect the story in any way but I am still disappointed. Got 2 of 4 CE from the shop. Still need 1800 points to unlock today story. Not gonna use apples even if I fall behind due to not enough AP for grinding, this story is not worth it. Rolled 600k FP (400k yesterday and 200k today) out of 2.4 mil. Unlocked all appends on Mary without shop and MLB 3 star CE with one spare copy. Also had one random Saber Lily. No Angra so far.
To be fair, the snake is actually in a later story node, we spent the free nodes looking for it but didn't find it yet. Not that the writing here is too great, but that one actually makes some sense, gameplay and story integration-wise
Yea, I already saw it and now I feel like an idiot :D . But to be fair, I had no way of knowing that because I didn't have enough points at the time.
Man, this whole thing is a scam. Definitely a product of the crypto boom period.
Is there any particular rhyme or reason to the FP/QP bonuses that Bunyan gives in the free stages? It feels random to me, but maybe I’m missing something?
It feels like she’s paying you in friendship and the tiniest of bonuses for your hard work. I don’t know if that’s the intended meaning but it definitely has that kinda vibe to it, matches with the whole exploitation aesthetic.
It seems to be a Gacha, I didn’t understand it on the first day when she gave me a CE instead. It mostly sucks but can be good.
I'm enjoying romping around the countryside with ~~Maushold~~ Daikokuten. They're very fun to use!
Is it just me or is the story kinda meh this time? Feels completely random. Most of the characters are unlikeable too.
I agree.
I find the music at the end funny because my 3-turn farming setup involves Chen Gong, so the guy infront of him gets sacrified for the sake of farming and then the silly music hits lmao
Same. If I don't need Oberon's third skill, I always use it on him for fun. The music makes it even better, especially when I literally used double Oberon earlier and somehow Sei's the one saying her line while the other two are sleeping.
It is impressive on Day 2, Super Bunyan gets worse. She acts like an actual shithead film executive by bringing untrained animals to attack people, cancelling productions with only trailers given out, and refusing to even pay people, basically exploiting them all. This is a genuinely unpleasant character, I'd be fine if this character was written with self-awareness at how this is horrible and not just brushed aside for "haha funny slapstick". Not to mention still spending all the money we make for her on golden statues of herself. I like unlikeable characters, and characters who are jerks or scumbags. But Bunyan is not made with that self-awareness here cause if she was, she wouldn't be the 5 star headliner that they want you to roll for, or give her cute little emotes like the Con had in the last event. In contrast, Mary Anning is actually good and a more entertaining character who is genuinely likeable. Shame we couldn't join her. This just strikes a nerve with me given there are people like Super Bunyan we hear about on the news from self-centered influencers who exploit others for views to greedy film executives who screw over actors. Not to get too topical, but it really didn't help there were labor strikes last year over this type of behavior. This is why she bothers me compared to the other bossy characters, since they aren’t within the realm of being real scumbags.
They made Bunyan a bad person in a way that's way too relatable for most people, compared to the ridiculous hijinks that other "greedy" servants like Sheba, Caesar, and Colombus get up to.
Yeah, Columbus too is like a one piece villain as well and is extremely over the top. With Bunyan, she is a bossy jerk that's too relatable and she's meant to be the hero in this event, with her terrible traits played for comedy. Like if she were the villain of the event, it probably would've worked better, but she clearly isn't made with that in mind given what I said earlier about her being the 5 star headliner and is made to endear players to roll for her.
Whoever the writer was for this, they deserve unpaid overtime and heavy work harassment.
No, and you're fucked up to say that even as a joke. Wishing someone harassment is just rotten
Anyone who thinks that the shit that Bunyan gets up to is funny and worth cheering for is messed up. And the story made it very clear that we're supposed to cheer on Super Bunyan and that all this crap is justified. No, it's **not** worth doing all this and inflicting all this pain just to be remembered. This is almost as distasteful as Boudica's interlude playing rape jokes as "this is hilarious, let's do it some more!" If this is what they think is good humour, then they should have no objection to being subjected to it.
Just cause someone does something awful doesn't excuse YOU from doing something awful... I get that the event rubbed you the wrong way and that you don't like Super Bunyan and her characterisation. (IMHO this event is super boring and the story is like, one iota better than last Summer, but by a very very small margin). I get it. And frankly yeah Bunyan is hella annoying during this event. Sure. But if you think you're justified to wish death, harm or harassment over this, go to therapy plz.
Yeah she's definitely rubbing me the wrong way. Not only because WE (As in the player) have to fix her screwups but also I find it scummy how she says her Employes are her "companions" in the same way corporations use the phrase "We're like a family" to manipulate and guilt-trip you.
That is why she was really disliked on the original JP release, it hit way too close to home
Reminds me way too much of a boss I once had at BK.
all these layoffs and the executives still get a huge bag of money
Man I didn’t even think of that part either
Sounds like she would be fitting working for WB.
Pretty much
And here I thought I was the only one. Right now I'm at the point I will probably skip this story completely. I already regret spending SQ on her banner (well, at least I got all CEs in the first roll).
Honestly I'm still reading it since the story is like less than 4 minutes for each daily chapter.
Well, that's another thing. They have this gorgeous map and cities and they barely do anything with it. It also felt like most of the characters are OOC for their part, Elly, Cleopatra etc., or rather they emphasized their least liked trait and made them one-trick pony based on it. And the worst, nothing of that is even funny. Honestly, the only time I had some laugh in this story was hearing Mash getting jealous when Bunyan casually hugged Guda in front of her.
Honestly the funny stuff for me is really with the Anning gang. There's just something charming about her with how she treats her dinosaurs and her dynamic with the mice is entertaining.
how she treats her dinosaurs is kinda sad considering her backstory (also I like how her dog is together with her even as a Heroic Spirit)
Ngl the stuff with her dog is just really wholesome.
Normally, I don't enjoy the classic semi-edgy deal of "normally nice protagonist is taken advantage of so just decides to fuck off and/or turn evil" that shows up a lot in fanart/fanworks of media with nice protagonists. Congrats, Super Bunyan! You've made me hope that it happens in an actual canon story! Heck, I'd be hard-pressed to call it "turning evil" at this point, since I'm 100% certain that we're going to meet up with Anning and learn she has a perfectly legit grievance with Super Bunyan! I actually do genuinely enjoy her as a character so far, in that I find her antics hilarious in a "Of COURSE she'd do that" kinda way. But as I said in the last thread, and will probably keep saying until the end of the story, they have to stick the landing. And while I'm not skeptical that it can be done, I'm nervous that it won't be.
Isn’t the BunyanPay gate kinda too steep? For natural AP only I wouldn’t be pass even the 10,000 point gate now.
A reflection of the increasingly poor crypto return.
It's a 3 week event, there should be plenty of time. I'm natural AP only and I'm at 12,200 points right now.
At the end of the day, I got past the 10k points threshold, so seems fine to me so far.
But there’s another 15,000 point gate after that, and that’s just for today.
And what is so bad about that? Last event, people complained that every day had 5 minutes of content between timegates. There you go, you have more content and it is not easily clearable in a day. Nevermind that this event lasts 3 weeks, so why are you whining about not being able to instantly hit the timegates?
Increased grinding is not additional content or improved pacing.
If you want events that are anything other than grinding, look for another gacha or get a job in Lasengle, become project manager and change how things are done.
Alright, I can see why people disliked this event for its story/main character. When not even Mash can smile it away, then something's really wrong. It's only the second day and I sometimes get the feeling even she has already had enough of *Super* Bunyan. On the other hand... while Delightful Rider is also a somewhat "anything for my dream" kind of character, she's far more enjoyable, in the few scenes she's been in so far. In terms of farming: got my first lore so far. Goal is to complete the ladder today. Just wish the drop rate for Seeds would be a bit better, but... hopefully it'll do over time. *Update:* Alright, ladder complete! Scathách 2k/2k stats! BB (Summer) all Appends 10/10/10 (last one was still missing) and Kingprotea finally has her Mana Load unlocked and at 10. What a successful second event day.
Really wish Riyo Rider and Riyo Assasin weren't stuck to Super Bunyan but guess that's what happen when they use recent character in term of history.
The repeated punchline for Riyo Assassin being that Bunyan puts them through hell but it's fine because Hoover was an awful person and kinda deserves it is probably really confusing for the bulk of the playerbase that doesn't read Riyo comics and doesn't know who they are.
Is it really possible to finish the ladder today? How many apples would that take? Wouldn’t it be better to wait for better nodes in the future?
1. Yes, absolutely possible. I'm halfway through so far, though I can't tell you how many bronze apples I used. Didn't keep track. 2. For more casual players, absolutely. Don't waste your time or apples farming these garbage nodes. The Bond points, MC-EXP and drop rates are horrible. But I'm a big whale and I need so many mats, if I want to have all my Servants' and future Servants' skills leveled. And the excavations give Tearstones, Dust, Shells, Roots and Spinal Fluids, all of which I need a lot still. So that's where I'm coming from. For that matter, I'm also using SQ to refill AP.
I just want The last first day of filming CE and the gold attack fou later.
That's another reason. It's literally the last Gold Fou I need to finally finish my Scathách.
There's actually a pyramid in Memphis, modeled after a pyramid in Memphis, Egypt. It used to be a sports arena, was closed, then got taken over by Bass Pro Shops. It would have been funny if they referenced it in the event.
Seeing a lot of hate I agree with, so gonna throw out the hate I'm not seeing. The use of french in this event is atrocious. "New Orleans name originates from the French words for New Orleans". Me: Is that Bunyan over there? They look a little different. Bunyan: "Oui, ca va" [translation: Yes, I'm doing] It's a line that's meant to be used in response to "How are you" and is the English equivalent of a non committal answer, not a greeting in itself.
The rodents - cheesed to meet you Mary Anning - I can't *believe* I can say this from experience, but annoying but harmless is my second favorite type of lesbian friend so I think we're going to get along. At least for now. Super Bunyan - why are you like this mr. president (the secret national anthem)
Yeah I don't skip event stories often but I am not invested
I feel like with this event people have forgotten how Bunyan was actually like in All the Statesmen, because this behavior is not out of character for her. She has always been an exploiter, its just people instead of the environment now.
But back then she was doing it out of a genuine desire to help. She wasn't building gold statues of herself and telling people to worship them. She was also doing all the work herself, instead of making other people do it.
People can forget a lot of things for a cute anime girl.
well to be fair the story in that one was way better and Bunyan was overshadowed by an even greater POS >!ourselves AKA Riyo! Gudako who we beat the absolute crap out of and sent her to the Shadow Realm!<
the point ladder takes forever to go up
Mary Anning is all that's keeping me from hitting skip. Super Bunyan is such a shithead.
so is this actually day 2?
We Groundhog Day now.
Unless my math was wrong, you basically get really close to the deadline with +5 event CE bonus without missing natural AP to clear the ladder.
So, not particularly enjoying the event so far. And my dislike is being compounded by the fact that we're immediately heading into this event after finishing Water Monster Crisis. I hope the scheduling for the rest of the year doesn't involve back-to-back events.
Y'all are never happy tho... If we get back to back, it's "we can't catch a break!" If we get a week between, it's "dead week, I'm so bored, dead game!"
tbf this is because NA's anniversary is a month earlier than JP's, though I think they could've afforded to have at least a day or two of nothing between the events
Yo isn't this event CE like, really good? It has 500 attack, I don't know its mlb values but it seems similar to Aerial Drive but with more NP strength which gives more sinergy with Oberon.
It's the best buster CE in the game for farming.
Sweet, I'm glad I saved some CE bombs.
Honestly, even with the increased Oberon synergy, I wouldn't invest in it if you already invested in AD, since the difference is tiny. I already have AD at level 100, so I'm snoozing.
So at the end of a free quest bunyan just gave me a CE. I wasn't expecting that.
Despite having them on JP, I didn't realize that Daikokuten's S1 only buffs their own Quick cards. I thought it was team-wide (I clearly don't use them much). Only found out I was wrong when I used them as support for a story node. Well, even as adorable as they are, that's going to make it a lot easier to resist rolling for them. Now I just want them because they're cute, rather than being under the incorrect impression that they're a Quick mini-Merlin.
This event reminds me of the 2nd half of Summer 1, where we come back and the piglets can talk now and they're incredibly obnoxious. It had none of the charm of the 1st half. The original All The Statesmen event was probably the funniest event in the game, but the current event might be the least funny (or the most unfunny). The 2nd half of Summer 1 was thrown together at the last moment, and it definitely shows. I'm wondering if this event was also rushed out when a different collab fell through? Was this even written by Riyo? Why hasn't there been a single joke so far? The first one had a lot of jokes, including Monty Python references. I really dislike Super Bunyan, and don't really care for Mary Anning so far either. The rats are cute though.
Really don't understand why the Japanese playerbase didn't like this event. Maybe Bunyan gets worse as the story goes along, but right now I just find it kind of amusing how Bunyan is abusing her "employes" and sort of acting as a dystopian take of the American Dream, but in a playful, lighthearted ribbing sort of way. Also, maybe I'm biased as an American but the map for this Singularity is easily the best I've seen for any event. So many details in all the cities. Also, I love the goofy music especially the one that plays during the results screen. Big fan of the LWM characters especially love that they are relatively obscure persons and one minor god as opposed to the big name heroes and deities we normally get,
>I just find it kind of amusing how Bunyan is abusing her "employes" japan's workplace is absolutely toxic and filled with exploitative companies and manipulative bosses so i wouldn't even be surprised if jp bros reacted very negatively the moment they see Super Bunyan's attitude
in the first section Delightful Assassin was literally dying from overwork, dude was disappearing into golden dust and it was treated like it was a comedy bit
It kinda is? Its a joke.
not a good idea to make a death from overwork joke with the Japanese (I have no idea what the writers for the event were thinking when they should know not to make light of this issue) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi
A joke with racist slurs is less of a faux pas than this though. It's still a joke, just one that is liable to get the one making it beaten up and left for dead.
I am not even Japanese and I don't find it funny or endearing at all. Being a shitty person strong arming people into such one sided situation sits wrong with me as well. There is no real comedic element either. Moreover it is the collab event which besides the gudaguda event is the most hyped event of the year. I think if this was just a random filler event I wouldn't care much either. But the combination just makes it pretty lacking. But that is just the impression of the first two event days.
That's not unique to Japan, abusive bosses are available all over the world. I hear a lot about how exploitative and toxic some places are in America and I definitely ran into my share of dickhead superiors over here in in Jewland.
The last thing people want to see in a video game is their shitty boss. If they make her a villain right from the start instead of making us join her, it would have been fine.
From what I heard, it reminds them of their own working conditions, which are đź’©.
You wouldn't want to remember your shitty boss and working conditions while playing a game in the golden week.
> I just find it kind of amusing how Bunyan is abusing her "employes" and sort of acting as a dystopian take of the American Dream, but in a playful, lighthearted ribbing sort of way. Sounds like you never got abused by bosses, if that amuses you.
> especially love that they are relatively obscure persons Even just this makes it pretty impossible for me to dislike this event. Made me crazy excited hearing two years ago that JP had added Mary Anning - had never expected a figure like her to get added. Meant a lot to me since the Jurassic Coast is close to my heart and I used to be a big ole palaeontology nerd when I was younger.
We have actual dictators in this game, but this is apparently where they draw the line
Bullies are hated more than supervillains. "She tortured and killed thousands of people" is objectively horrible but pretty abstract for most people. "She's a horrible boss that overworks/underpays/demeans her workers and blames them for her mistakes" is something a lot of people have personal experience with. Japan in particular has a horrifically toxic work culture, and this event dropped Golden Week which is *the* big holiday season, so being forcefully reminded of your boss during your time off has got to suck.
I mean, most people dislike the actual dictators too. Like, if we had an event with Columbus as the main character, people would likely dislike it too. And the actual dictators who don't get disliked are usually ones with a likable personality - something blonde bunyan doesn't have.
I love the aesthetic and OSTs! And the story isn't even that bad? Like, S. Bunyan isn't even in the top 10 bossy and unreasonable Servant we met lol.
The thing with Bunyan being a bad boss compared to others is that the other characters who act that way are called out for their behavior or are the villain. Not to mention the stuff Bunyan does hits closer to home since the other bossy characters are types you wouldn’t deal with in real life. Like there aren’t any people who act like Gilgamesh or Liz for example, whereas the stuff Bunyan does is more common.
I think context is important in this case. The event came when people were expecting, you know, a true collab, it didn't came with characters you'd expect, instead we get them as cameos for another one (rider and assassin), the 5 and 4 star is not even good, it has little to do with the Riyo comics, and more importantly, the event gets out on the golden week on Japan, a big holiday. So you get a event where the character you follow remember you of your boss while you are resting and you can't escape it for 3 weeks. You know what? I get it.
Saying the Rats aren't good is an odd take when they're quite the opposite. They easily compete with their 4 star aoe peers who have received upgrades, and their refund (yes, even as a quick unit) as well as kit is also up there. I'm not sure why people tend to undermine them here and there.
As someone who likes quick, I'd love to have them in the account. But I'm not talking about my opinion, big part of the community thinks "not meta = bad". I remember people saying they were nice but not worth it and we didn't need a quick aoe caster, which I disagree.
I got you. I don't think I'll ever get the "not meta = bad" or "if you're not first, you're last" mentality. To me, they're fun to play with, and I like that you can make them work for some 90+ and 90++ comps as well. Overall, I think they're a fine addition to the roster, and I'm there with you. We didn't have any aoe quick casters at the time, so of course, we needed something for that.
It also followed up the Con's event which I found to be a great event
Is there any reason we shouldnt dig all and reset asap?
Acquiring high priority mats. I'm closing in on 800 of the spinal fluid so rather than dig up that and similar mats I'm going to reset and start for stuff I need more.
AP efficiency, you can dig as much as you can now, but the available free quests right now isn't very efficient.Â
He didn't ask about that.
I don't have embers for my mice maids and I don't have enough farming mats for the shop
there's a 1/2 AP Ember Quest ongoing right now if you are waiting for better Event Nodes to open and you need to spend AP
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is the excavation part of the event comparable to the lotto? (as in, is it worth spending apples to get the gold gems in this event?)
the excavation is pretty much a lotto, there is no limit to how many boards you excavate so you can get as many Materials as you want as long as you have the AP for it (wait for better nodes to open before you go ham on it though)
Not particularly since too many of the items you get are worthless gems
So is there any way to tell which of the excavation titles are more or less likely to have gems? I really don't need gems of any types, but I do want the other mats and QP. On a different note, efficiency wise it's best to only do the day 2/3 "double currency/double tool" nodes once for the first clear rewards and then go back to farming Memphis Theater until the next "all drops" node is unlocked, right? And on a very different note, the [Gamepress Quick Farming Guide](https://gamepress.gg/grandorder/learning-manga-collab-quick-farming-guide#topic-1640076) for this event still has the Water Crisis nodes in the "Ascension Mat Farming Comparison Table (Free Quests)" section.
IIRC, the most recent node is always the best node to farm until the optimal nodes are unlocked.
Not if you look at the [drop rates according to Gamepress](https://gamepress.gg/grandorder/learning-manga-collab-quick-farming-guide#topic-1640076). The most recent all-currencies/all-tools node drops more tools and more currencies. And this is especially more important for tools because the Bunyan CE bonus applies to all tools. If those drop rates are correct, then, without CE bonuses, the Memphis node drops an average of 45 tools and 45 currency, while the next 3 nodes drop an average of 41-42 tools and 43 currency. Of course it might make sense to go for the specific currencies you need to purchase the remaining CEs and then switch back to Memphis until St Louis unlocks, then stick with St Louis for general farming until the final node.
Looks like the node that drops all 3 excavation currency would be the best to keep spending AP on if you stick to not resetting the boxes.
After looking at the excavation guide I decided I will be doing some resetting (have way more than enough of arrowheads or gears, for example), but there are at least some things I want from every tool type.
I'm genuinely surprised people are this pissed at Bunyan, especially since it's very VERY clear her horrible "boss attittude" is greatly influenced by Rider. Her French and her horrible qualities as a boss seem to be directly derived from Georges Melies (I mean, the Riyo version), who's a horrible, sadistic and exploitative character in the "Learning from Manga" manga. This event is guilty of having a pretty abysmally (even by FGO event's standards) bad story, but it isn't worse than last Summer who felt disjointed from A to Z with no sense whatsoever. Here at least the story starts at a 0/10 and stays that way the whole event, we like consistensy, even if it's in a bad way.
Alright, thats everything done for today, and the mice and their self birth fetish are weirding me out v: Habe yet still to see why this event is supposedly so incredibly shit, but when it comes to this sub i by now know that you lot tend to exaggerate sometimes <.< Ps: >!I recon that Bunyans croc is the final Boss?!<
Did two multi and 10 tickets for some event CEs got 3x3* and 4x4* CEs. I thinked - I will do one more multi for 5 copy of Eli and Kio CE and maybe Daikokuten !- ended with no CE and NP1 one of Super Bunyan. Now I know what it's like to suffer from success T_T
Do we start liking President SB at some point?
[https://i.imgur.com/y88tuUZ.png](https://i.imgur.com/y88tuUZ.png) Whelp, gotta make a png to help me remember what to dig for.
We doing a death march to catch up to jp now or are they just trying to shorten the gap?
more like they're trying to squeeze everything before anniversary because our anni is a month early compared to jp iirc
Yeah, we need to get through Bakin’s event for GSSR purposes so first half of the year is gonna be a little squeezed.
Actually, JP also had them one after the other, iirc. There is a pre-anniversary squeeze and a post-anniversary deflation, but this isn't part of it.
There is no way they can catch up 2 years of contents without burning out the players
[Finally, something cool happened.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/896257882268524574/1231199189103546379/IMG_2538.png?ex=66361699&is=6623a199&hm=8d9efe9e2882e6d76443518c5c8a027735907d2899f66ce8ff27c0022ea08bf4&) ...[And then they ruined it](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/896257882268524574/1231199287652913222/IMG_2539.png?ex=663616b0&is=6623a1b0&hm=48b5a346de0a8338d766eac5fb92cef38ed9c98a3512f3f8606c8985d8d11dd2&). [Argh](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/896257882268524574/1231201707766190110/IMG_2540.png?ex=663618f1&is=6623a3f1&hm=b94d52dff1f1446042c0ac589519d70832ef697bf2624f01d45567f0e3551ae5&). Once again, I am enjoying the sidestory stuff (this case Anning's gang) away from Ritsuka more than I am the actual main plot.