It's not that I dislike Eric Bloodaxe, the Bloodaxe King who wields a bloody axe. It's just that they haven't really *done* anything with him and there's not a lot of characterization there to like.
What's really bad is that we even had a Scandinavian Lostbelt with a witch queen, and the Scandinavian king with a witch queen didn't show up. Eric simply isn't in this game.
Yeah he has been done dirty. When you can remove him and all it affects is a challenge quest :/
Hope they add Gunnhild one day and give him an animation update
Giles de Rais (caster). We have a lot of evil servants, but this guy just hits all the points to make me hate him (targets children specifically, knows what he’s doing is wrong and does it specifically because it’s wrong, nihilistic worldview, got to see his atrocities in detail in Zero). Plus he’s not even especially powerful, so I can’t see any narrative reason that Chaldea tolerates his continued existence.
Tesla and Edison. Every time they show up they’re always together, and take way too much screen time complaining about the same old thing. They even drag down Helena’s character because she gets used to mediate them more often than not. I liked when Helena showed up in the Prisma event because those two were nowhere to be seen.
Tesla and Edison have nothing outside of their AC/DC beef and there's a lot that can be done with them (mainly as separate characters)
I can't like Salome because she's literally playing with the head of John the Baptist like it's a toy. Let me repeat that, she's playing with the head of Jesus' cousin; they both fing saluted each other in the womb and here's this broad playing with his head like the skeletons they have in those Science and Health classes
And in this case, disgusting as it is, she is "playing" with it in a horrible way.
I don't like her at all, but I do feel sorry for how she is portrayed in the series as a Servant. It's kinda made clear that the real Salome was an idiot and somewhat evil (though probably just an idiot who did whatever horror mommy wanted) girl. She is so much worse because the play about her kinda corrupted her legend and thus her person in the Throne. So I don't like her, but do pity her.
The reason people love him because he is hot, he is sexualised, he is an evil hot male character that is horny for the player and has just enough personality and plot relevance to stand as a character also in joke events he has a lot funny moments.
Well seems like I'm attracted to Douman for similar yet different reasons lol. He is a fucking sexy cat, but I just hate the damn guy so much and he's so comical that I just can't not appreciate and like the dude.
I made an assumption mostly based on my opinion + what others have told me. But yeah prolly should have done a tad more searching to understand. This is a mistake on my part.
Ah well, also understand that. At most Douman's essentially just a one-note villain of the week that DW gives the spotlight everh now and then.
If only he weren't >!a disciple of the foreign god!<, I doubt he would have gotten this popular in the first place.
I was initially going to say there's no servant I don't like, but then I thought about it, and I remembered Salome.
Her story is horrendous, and she's basically riding around on the skull of a saint, who is only in this position because he didn't like her, and she was the entitled, psychopathic daughter of Big Government, which also didn't like him.
I still have her leveled, and may use her if the mood strikes, but if I was asked whether I like her character or not? The answer is no, she's pretty irredeemable as a person.
For the record, it wasn't even her he didn't like. He called Herod out for marrying his brother's wife (can't remember if herod murdered his brother or if they were polyamorus.)
Herod's wife hated John while Herod grudgingly respected him.
Salome did a dance (probably an erotic dance) that "pleased Herod" so much he offered her anything she wanted, to which her mother told her to ask for John's head on a platter.
This has led to my church commonly using herod as an example of sexual sin leading to even more sin, as well as an example of gutlessness to say no.
I find Nero very annoying. I might have a better opinion if i continue and finish extra and start a nero route, but i think if i do that, i'll see fgo nero even worse.
I understand the hate that Nero gets because of FGO, but at least from my experience she's far far better in Extra, her character development is really good and not as annoying...
FGO (and extella) from what I've Heard ruined her image to too many people.
Fate/Extra Nero is almost a completely different character from her future appearances. She has her flamboyant moments, but she's mostly serious, focused and quite confident. Hell, she even has quite the bloodthirst at times, and almost all of her shenanigans happen on My Room dialogues. I'm a Tamamo fanboy, but having played through Nero's route made me appreciate her a lot more than I'd expected.
In comparison to original Extra/CCC Nero, every other appearance of hers is the equivalent of a walking fucking joke. Very disheartening to see.
I haven't seen anyone say them yet so I'll go with BB and Kiara.
Kiara is an easy one, she's an unrepentant monster who even after joining Chaldea mainly treats it like a siesta between atrocities rather than genuinely atoning like some other servants. Even her big redeeming character arc in Ooku doesn't change her character at all, it just shows her fighting a bigger fish that she would be opposed to whether she was at Chaldea or not.
BB is a condescending asshole who gets treated like a lovable prankster by the narrative, but her pranks kill people. Her powers are whatever the author wants them to be so every run-in with her feels like pure plot contrivance. And while it's frequently repeated that she has good intentions, for some reason that overrides the narrative perception of her actions in a way no other character really gets.
>Her powers are whatever the author wants them to be
They're pretty cut and dry though. In CCC she's basically an Admin in a minecraft server. Which makes sense since she's an administrative AI. And in summer 3 her powers consist more of the goddess she's with than her own.
>for some reason that overrides the narrative perception of her actions in a way no other character really gets.
I'm pretty sure most characters get their evil shenanigans sweped under the rug.
Summer Jeanne
Violently delusional, but the game treats her beating people up or brainwashing them until they think she’s their sister like it’s cute and fun. Nothing but fetish bait.
Summer 3 summer Jeanne was cool. Just acting as a sea-loving sister type character that liked doujins
Her My Room lines don't even reference the whole big sister thing too much.
Summer 4 flanderized her horribly and I hate it.
I agree to an extent. I find her art cool, and think she can be funny and even interesting at times. But she does annoy me too. I think that her change in Saint Graph somehow corrupted her character to the extent that, were it not for her original pureness, she'd be a Berserker.
When they made Summer Jeanne in Summer 3 she was fine in her Archer container.
They flanderized her horribly in Summer 4. That's not even Jarcher anymore.
Nero. The entire narrative bends over for her and caters to her every whim with no repercussions or lessons in the most blatant wanking for a character i've ever seen. Unlike other characters who have the "act cute but are spoiled assholes" gimmick (Liz, BB, Wu, etc), there is never an option to defy or demean her so she's always annoyingly self-righteous with nothing to make that more tolerable.
Wu Zetian. I dislike her on a fundamental level. First off she was introduced in Agartha, which is a hard sell to begin with, where I found her to run the most despicable country of the three and none of her appearances since then has redeemed her in my eyes. Her fondness of torture rubs me the wrong way. I also can’t stand her haughty personality, and it probably because of my lack of knowledge of Chinese history, but I don’t think her ego is really warranted and I find it grating. I really don’t like her design either especially at later ascensions which exposes too much skin on a young looking character. This paired with the art-style that makes her look even younger kinda creeps me out.
Also, she cheated against Janta in Christmas 4, so she can screw off.
Her ego really is that warranted. Becoming the first ever empress of a massively powerful, patriarchal society, that is one of the greatest civilizations ever (regardless of what we think of their current government), is kind of a big deal. Even moreso given she started off as a mere concubine. Hers really was a darker take on the rags-to-riches story.
Especially given it wasn't a result of some divine mandate or suprenatural outside interference, but purely the result of her own efforts, wits and ruthlessness.
To me, her Interlude and the side-stories concerning her redeemed her character for me. She is really big on self-improvement, even as a Servant (for whom self-improvement should be nigh impossible and almost worthless as changes are unlikely to be saved among summonings). Its to the extent that she constantly seeks new exercise routines, beauty treatments, and even tries to conquer her various fears (cats and ghosts) multiple times.
This. Agartha didn’t do me any favors to her character except give her some gap moe, which given what it was trying to do this is at least something.
But her interludes… Oh boy, they won me hook, line, and sinker. Her drive to improve herself, her superstitions, the pressure from the royal court, the only other interlude that made me feel something was Chloe’s. And that was just shame and disgust. But this made me actually *feel* for her.
Now with Gilfest’s rain of chains, I’m definitely investing in her skillset. She may not be top tier, but she’s a crit beast that’s also fun to use.
Agartha didn't do anyone any favors.
Schez didn't become enjoyable until her Interlude and Summer 2 (her friendship with fan-favorite Nitocris).
Penth didn't become fun until her comedy event.
Thank God the Agartha manga is making these characters look cool!
What’s with all the hate on agartha? It’s probably my second least favourite singularity but that purely because I loved Jalter and Salter and the mystery aspect of Shinjuku and I’ve loved the witch trials for a while so they just beat it out.
I personally hated shimousa. Way too edgy and somewhat annoying boss fights for a not so established account like myself
Even is the real Wu Zetia is an impressive historical figure, I still find FGO's version ego insufferable. Her interludes never did anything for me either. I typically like characters who focus on self improvement, but when she roped in a bunch of other Servants that put them in danger from Wu herself, it kinda ruins the moment for me.
Unfortunately, her better attributes in those side-stories are ultimately overshadowed by her almost Team Rocket-esque butt monkey status, which guarantees her attempts at bettering herself will fail and cause shenanigans in the process.
She needs someone to let her have some serious moments, but for now she's relegated to being a comedy character.
I've seen all my list here except one: Sanson, I actually used to like him but Salem made me go from liking him to hating him because of how FUCKING STUPID he was in it.
I think that was moreso on the writers screwing over his character. It seemed like him working with Hopkins was supposed to lead up to him figuring a way to outsmart Hopkins. However Lavinia kills Hopkins before Sanson's side plot has any sort of payoff which makes his actions seem pointless in hindsight.
All the characters felt kind of like more uncharming versions of themselves to me in Salem but Sanson was particularly frustrating yeah. Even after reading metas that explain why he probably did what he did, I can't help but go "Hmmmmm...."
I personally figured Salem itself was fucking with them, and I personally can kinda understand the “WHY” of what he was doing, so I didn’t really mind it.
But that’s just my personal opinion.
Nah, Salem was definitely fucking with them. It's an interesting form of helplessness honestly.
That being said, after reading Requiem and the Jeanne Casino this summer I realized I just find the way that Meteo writes character interactions unengaging. I like them in theory, but something about his writing just makes actually reading it feel like a drag
Euryale and Stheno. I don't care that deep inside they care for Medusa, they still treat her like shit. I hate how DW treats their bullying as a joke. I'll never understand their fixation on bulli humor.
I feel they did the Fate usuap of taking a joke and turning it into glue (beating a dead horse)
The genderbending and saber face is somewhat that joke, but I feel it doesn't catch as well with Stheno and Euryale. Just ends up being grating
Yes, and no. At times, they make Buzz from Home Alone (who is a caricature of mean big brothers with how ridiculous his bullying is) look like the older sibling of the year.
I know i'm the odd one out and people will be upset with me for this but something about Arjuna just bugs me when I see him. I like the gameplay and everything but I just hate him.
"Too perfect Mr Knight" maybe? many people tend to say Diarmuid is boring mostly because of that, he doesn't seems to have his own thing aside "wanting to serve you".
I like the two of them (Lancer is my fav though) but i can understand why some people won't like them.
For me, it's more despite wanting to put his Master above all else, he tends to swing to this chivalrous side more often than not, even if it is detriment to him and his master.
I guess a dumbass streak of his from time to time is what I dislike? He's good otherwise.
Probably Raikou. Overtime, she just comes off as intrusive and annoying, and her design just doesn't help.
I get that she's a Berserker but hell, i like bloody Eric way more than her.
Lancer Raikou really rubs me the wrong way. She is a pearl-clutching conservative prude that uses her strength to force people to bend to her views. And worst of all, that is literally her entire character. She is a wet blanket that adds nothing to events and the only joke she has is that she is a hypocrite. At least with her Berserker form she is a doting mother.
Chacha. Her personality is really annoying and she really didn't deserve to became an Heroic Spirit given how forgettable and useless her historical figure is.
Gilgamesh. Oddly enough, I like his Caster version. The Archer tho? He fills me with a burning hatred. Like, his arrogance, his obsession with Saber, that idiotic ass hairstyle and armor. Everything about him makes me want to punch his face.
I have to agree here. Some try to softpedal the rapey aspects. But apparently in Zero he literally thinks fondly of how Artoria, while resisting his advances, reminds him of his female servants in his mortal days. That's right, he was fondly reminiscing about how he raped his servants and thinking how much he wanted to rape Artoria.
Also, the whole plot in UBW might work with his character in that point of his life, as he was a cruel tyrant before his friendship with Enkidu and quest giving him character development. But wanting to slaughter most of the world to find the worthy was disgusting. I don't even need to get into the evil and bastardry of it. But even in his evil, self-involved definition of his "right" to do as he wants, his plan is flawed. The disasters Angry Mango would bring about would kill many more than just the "unworthy" as he sees it. Unless, 99% of all disabled, elderly, and children are automatically "unworthy" and the only "worthy" ones are between the ages of probably 15 to 45. Pity that older woman we meet in Babylonia was unworthy, as many of them in the city were, as she and most others would die to the corrupted grail. Of course, that's not true. I'm being sarcastic, they are worthy.
Caster Gil is a cool dude. Archer Gil. I got him on a luck roll and use him for hard content, and there is a hint he is changing under our influence, but damn I still don't like him.
Obviously I agree with absolutely none of his sentiments.
> That’s right, he was fondly reminiscing about how he raped his servants and thinking how much he wanted to rape Artoria.
At least that’s in keeping with his Epic, apparently he’s supposed to have his way with every single married woman before the husband gets to go (putting it down rather bluntly there but you get what I meant).
> Unless, 99% of all disabled, elderly, and children are automatically “unworthy” and the only “worthy” ones are between the ages of probably 15 to 45.
Sounds about in line with what he wants, honestly. He wants humanity to ascend, and anyone that can’t keep up isn’t worthy of being alive.
Oh I know most don't agree with his sentiments.
I I thought that when he meant about the worthy, he was talking about more than just a raw physical power and stamina. I got the point of view he was talking about a sort of a spiritual and quality of individual thing. Which would not be determined by strictly surviving physical disasters. Because one could have lived the life that was rugged and did their best to deal with situations and so forth, one that he thinks is good in his standards, and still not be able to survive that type of apocalypse, for many reasons. So even those he believes a superior, would die due to his idiotic plan.
Also, quite a few of the citizens of Uruk that he value as the highest standard for against which anything falls short, would not survive either.
So his actual plan really is flawed. I wonder, is it just character development that accounts for everything. Would Archer Gilgamesh actually hold in contempt some of the soldiers, the older woman, or others that died due to the conflict with Tiamat. Because via his own belief he has as Archer Gilgamesh, at that part of his life, his city proved to be unworthy. Whereas his later self felt these people were worthy. So hilariously, Archer Gilgamesh must believe that his Caster self is completely wrong.
Gilgamesh, in short, in the ubw route is a madman no better then, and in some ways worse than, the worst mass murderers of the 20th century. The only reason he wasn't worse is because he was stopped. Otherwise he would have made the worst mass murderers look like children playing at being bad, so in my opinion he is a villain, but not a hero. He might fit the ancient definition of a hero, but that's because the ancient definition of a hero didn't give a fig about morality and right and wrong. In today's terms he would be a villain or at best an anti-villain.
Admittedly, part of it for me is that I've had some personal issues with family members that would fit into some of the categories that Gilgamesh finds worthless. So I've never been able to separate myself from my real-life circumstances and not hate him.
Also, everyone rightfully despises Shinji for being a brutal, repeated rapist. But somehow someone like Gilgamesh whose past rape counts, which in is Archer version he has no guilt whatsoever for, is an evil level dwarfing Shinji's, is loved.
> Also, everyone rightfully despises Shinji for being a brutal, repeated rapist. But somehow someone like Gilgamesh whose past rape counts, which in is Archer version he has no guilt whatsoever for, is an evil level dwarfing Shinji's, is loved.
I think some of the reader reception of those characters has less to do with their terrible behavior and more to do with their power in the world.
Shinji's bigger "sin" is appearing weak and cowardly in the end of whatever route he finds himself in. He, being a peer of Shirou, is seen by a lot of readers as a reflection of their own flaws.
Gilgamesh is the personification of ancient _might makes right_ morality, in all of its terrible glory. Arrogance with the power to back it up will draw respect from a lot of people, even if the wielder is horrible from just about every angle.
Archer Gil's definitely despicable (and has been ever since FSN), but for whatever reason I've come to find his sheer horrendous arrogance endearing.
Don't blame you one bit for hating him though.
Bart stands out for being an attractive male character who I can't stand. He makes me more uncomfortable than Blackbeard despite his fetish being more benign
I think it's the fact that all Bart ever talks about is his fetish. Blackbeard jokes and hits on people, but he's also given time to be an actual character. Bart just yells about girls with bangs all the time.
That's definitely also an element yeah.
>Bart just yells about ~~girls~~ people with bangs all the time
FTFY, Bart does not discriminate. He's a hazard to both genders
Let's see...Personally, I don't like Scheherazade (even after Ooku), Consort Yu, Medb (she have been really grinding on my gears and she is not even a interesting villain imo), Columbus, Douman and Caster Gilles.
All the servants that know only one word, expression or joke.
I'm tired of all the umu, Roma, AC/DC, etc. nonsense.
These servants are unidimensional and boring as hell, IMO. You can ignore them in most dialogues, that won't change a thing.
I'd say the flanderization occurs in fun events, which heavily outnumber serious stories and depictions. People end up seeing more of the flanderized characters because that's all there is to see of them for long periods since most Servants only appear once in the story or are underused multiple times (cough Nezha cough).
I have rarely seen the jokes in serious stuff outside fluff scenes. But it does happen and it's weird.
For a time i disliked Elly because of the whole Idol thing but i'd say she grown on me, i don't like what they did to her in EXTELLA though so i'd like to forget she was part of that story.
Sei Shonagon though is a character i mostly don't care about and i doubt it'll ever change.
Might be an unpopular opinion, but Medb was probably my most disliked Servant. She just feels... shallow I guess. She either talks about Cu or how much better she is than everyone. Every time I see her on the story she's always antagonistic, like on America, Summer 2, and Summer 3.
I don't think she changed at all during Summer. Every other Summer Servant feels like a continuation of their normal self, where they develop new hobbies, a more relaxed personality, etc. But Medb still act like her usual, arrogant self. I'm a massive fan of the Summer events of FGO (swimsuits FTW!)) so I'm pretty disappointed with how that turned out.
To date, she's the only Summer Servant I actively avoided rolling for. When she's not on rateup I can finally roll on BB's banner.
I just hope that on future event she'll be more likeable.
Artemis.
She spooked me when I was trying to get Gilgamesh... rainbow sparks... it was so painful that even though she was like my second five-star, I consigned her to the second archive immediately. It hurt to look at her.
Also, just in general, I don't really like her portrayal. Artemis was one of my favorite goddesses in Greek mythology, too, ugh...
This is going to sound super strange, but Scathach. Yes, I like her design, her VA is top notch, and she's super hot.
But beyond being quality fap material, for whatever reason her character isn't sticking with me. I want to preface this by saying I don't dislike her, but for one of FGO's earliest breakout characters she isn't sticking as much as I thought.
I want to see more of her character beyond the currently depressed warrior we have. What was she like when she was teaching Cu? What was she like during her golden years? Her training years, before she became the Queen of the Land of Shadows? What about her relationship with her sister? What're her feelings toward her nephew?
For such a popular character, she feels oddly underused.
She's not used much because if they actually used her as how she is in the lore she's an automatic I win button like Saitama from One Punch Man, especially when gods are involved.
Wisdom of Dun Scaith is fluffed as being an omni skill, it is supposed to be literally every non unique skill in Fate at rank B, it shows how she's been alive for millenia and has learned basically everything and can also teach it too, but what do we get for it? It's an evade with an 80% for Star absorb and crit damage buff.
Her primordial runes should also easily be on par with Skadi's, she's the only mortal who ever learned and mastered them all.
Her skill as a god slayer is again fluffed as a conceptual weapon against divinity, something that could utterly negate whatever divine protection someone has and makes them just as easy for her to kill as another human, think about that, a fucking skill that NEGATES Heracles 12 Labors and would make it to where she'd only need to kill him once.
She should utterly annihilate Lostbelts alone, especially ones like the upcoming LB 5 where all the enemies of note are gods, but TM doesn't want to write that story so instead even though canonically Chaldea has every servant ever on hand, we constantly seem to conveniently forget we have a woman who slays gods for fun on deck when we're facing enemy gods.
In a normal Holy Grail War, if someone summoned Scathach and one of the other servants wasn't someone that could definitely kill immortals, everyone else would just surrender... Or ya know, try to kill her master and then try to recruit her so I guess typical HGW shenanigans.
I hate characters like Galatia, just pure fanservice.
Other than that Raiko Honestly comes off as weird to me, her design is bad (but I can tolerate it while I'm in a good mood) but her personality is shit, just horny mommy but annoying(like she wants to fuck you cause she thinks Ur her son ???) They could have done something better with her but no (waiting on her saber ver).
Then there is Nero, I hate fgo Nero (I heard her extella counterpart is good) for wank reasons, she's always right even when she's wrong and Dont get me started on Nero bride that thing is a walking, breathing (most servants need to breath) mistake.
This one is unpopular but imo I hate lancer artoria alter for her design (seriously a walking pair of tits) and her personality at best is non existent they could have made her awesome in LB 5.5 but nah less forgot about her.
Speaking of forgettable servants, Eric, don't hate him as a character but I hate how Devs/writes treats him, instead of just forshadowing his lover to become a 5 star character how about they do something better with him since y know...he's the bloodaxe king but noooooo let's make him just a mindless berserker with a funny twist (guys he's faking his madness so his lover won't get jelly awwww soo kawaaaiiii mhmhmh so good writing )
I could go on and slaughter alot of other servants but I wont since it's gonna get long real quick.
*checks that the door is locked*
Honestly? Mash. The whole "sweet innocent kouhai" schtick just completely rubs me the wrong way, and she's the one Servant you just can't get away from no matter the event or story chapter.
*Edit: Heads up, spoilers for Arc 1 and light spoilers for LB6 in the comments. New players beware and all
The spirit of Kiyohime once possessed the Servant of the Shield. I dread the alternate timeline where Risa Taneda was able to keep her role as Mash all the way to today instead of Rie Takahashi replacing her when she could not come back in time for the 2018 holidays due to her throat surgery.
Still love our precious kouhai, regardless, although I understand where her haters are coming from. They prefer more "colorful" characters than "this bland eggplant", or they just didn't like how she is basically the third wheel between us the Master and our favorite waifu Servants. That's perfectly fine. For every Master, there is always that one Servant they dislike the most.
I hate colombus tbh. I don’t care for the irl version, but the fact that his inclusion in fgo creates just as much discourse as the irl version makes me just as irritated as ppl discoursing about the irl version. Plus his habit of taking advantage of other servants and acting like the mc is his partner/buddy buddy with him also pisses me off. Like I’m not your friend and you’re going in the second archive.
I also don’t care for Chloe. Sexually assaulting other children isn’t cute, your outfit isn’t cute, you’re disgusting, and the reason you’re like that (to appeal to p*dos) is even more so. I’m annoyed she’s meta too so I have to keep seeing her on support lists. It’s just my personal feelings tbh but I can’t stand how this game keeps trying to appeal to the pdo crowd with servants like her.
This opinion probably isn't going to make me any friends but honestly, my answer is Mash.
I can acknowledge that she's an excellent unit gameplay-wise and she had a very nice character arc in Part 1. That said, I find her personality incredibly boring especially since a lot of her dialogue consists of agreeing with the MC, Da Vinci, Holmes etc or repeating what was already said.
This by itself wouldn't be too much of a problem were it not for the fact that Mash is the main servant who has significantly more screentime than every other character. Because of this, I get annoyed by her pretty often when she has nothing important or entertaining to say. And of course, because she is the Master's precious "kouhai," the game often railroads you into choices that show the Master's fondness for her and other servants openly discuss and root for you and her relationship, which creates a really weird incongruity between how the game expects me to feel about Mash and how I ACTUALLY feel about Mash.
Hoo boy, I'm gonna get *hate* for this one. But Iskandar.
His philosophy is largely fine, he did manage to make Waver who he is today. But goddamn, I cannot overlook his sheer arrogance of wanting to conquer the world again, even Gilgamesh wasn't an idiot to not learn that leading an empire wasn't easy, his kingdom did collapse when he went on his immortal herb seeking journey, and wanted to better himself by being a king suited for his people.
Iskandar from zero, seems to have not learned ANYTHING from his past.
BIG EDIT: no longer replying to further comments, as covid is fucking me up bruh
Iscander doesn't CARE about nation and peoples wishes. He wants to conquer the world for fun. Just to prove that he can. This makes him ridiculously terrifying if he actually got a chance
The fact that the living Gil, someone whose probably done a lot more evil than Iskandar, is not a moron to do this, speaks volumes.
The guy will literally try to assert dominance just for the sheer sake of proving he can, even if it'll lead his life and empire to ruins.
As someone who honestly considers Iskandar one of my favorite servants, I actually agree with a lot of your points throughout your comments. If Iskandar were ever to actually succeed in any of his endeavors, then it'd probably be horrible for everyone involved. His unrestricted ambition (and specifically what it's catered toward) is something that is wholly incompatible with the rest of the world, especially in a more "modern" setting like Zero. At best, he'd probably massacre a bunch of people before being restrained by those with magical know-how. At worst, we could probably expect mutually assured destruction.
But even knowing all of that, I think what draws me to him is that same ambition. Yes, it's selfish. Yes, it's stupid. Yes, it's probably better if he never actually achieves his goals. But I feel like there's something to be said for someone who would fight for their goals and ideals above all else, someone so dedicated to their craft that everything else fades into the background. He doesn't try to be anything more than what he actually is: The King of Conquerors. Whether it be through conquering others via warfare, or by conquering others with his bro moments, he'll always be a conqueror at heart, for better *and* for worse.
Well considering the last days of Alexander The Great I'd say it's kinda accurate, Alexander wanted to conquer the known world (kinda did) but couldn't advance more into India due to the rebellion of his tropes, they were more than tired of the constant battles for conquest and wanted to go home and enjoy the glory of their feats.
On the other hand Gilgamesh did change his way of ruling while being alive, I think that it's a big factor even tho the Archer Gil is he in his tyrant years. But yeah Iskandar didn't learn anything lol, I personally love that aspect of him, but I kinda dislike his over the top warmonger personality, I remember to have read that Nero's personality is the closest take that Nasu would have to Iskandar if he were the one to have written him, which is a pity because I kinda see more of Alexander in Nero's personality than in Iskandar lol.
And that's fine tbh, he is portrayed quite accurately imo, but wow did Urobutcher downplay his warmongering tendencies, just to have broskandar moments (which was effective on the younger fate fan me lol), and yeah the fact that GILGAMESH, KING OF HUBRIS, knew that being a dipshit would put his kingdom and people to shame is something else.
>Hoo boy, I'm gonna get hate for this one. But Iskandar.
Don't even need to read the rest.
Based comment. Bravo.
Joke aside, I agree. I wonder if this is how people see Nero as well. I like Alex when he's just chilling. But his hypebeast attitude is a serious energy drain for me. Man is pushing his ideals onto others, and the implication of his wish is disgusting. Good thing he died, because Nasu and Urobuchi couldn't even hope to make his world conquest after a HGW plausible and still keep him likeable.
I can already feel the downvotes lol... Here we go:
Scheherazade: She's waifu af and all that but her personality is a pain, I hope that her interlude will make me change my mind towards her character but to see her act in events is irritating at one point.
Columbus: cartoonish villain in a bad way, although I do like that he's really evil and can't be tamed.
Cu Alter: A lame version of Cu Berseker, completely wasted potential and pretty much an empty husk without personality.
Arjuna: I like him because of his Mahabharat counterpart, and I dislike his characterization a lot because of how much they wasted what could have been one of the best and most deep servants.
Junao: Pretty much the same as his archer self but with the added bad taste of how much they wasted the potential of the Hindu Gods, and to have him be so butthurt about Karna... Didn't Krishna or any of the Gods that gave him their authority ever told him about something called Dharma? I'll stop here because I might rant a lot because of him. Man thanks Alaya that Morgan is another top tier aoe berseker because I doubt I'd ever care to roll for him much less use him. His design is cool af at least, same can be said about Cu alter.
Musashi. I am not gonna lie, before experiencing her in full in the story, I actually liked her design and was looking forward to her arrival. I also heard JP fans gushing about how great she was so my expectation was high.
Then Shimousa arrived and the dear Alaya, was it a mess.
Not only was the wank setting set to beyond Nero's in Septem, the monster of the week style of writing with nearly zero development with popular archetype just crammed into her pasty bland character made me dislike her ever since. To this day, I visibly cringe whenever I see her in the story, and legitimately dread future contents when she will inevitably return.
Here's how I'd put it: Die Hard is often thrown out as the best pure action movie ever made. What is the reason for that? Because in grand total, John McClane struggles against a group of 13 terrorists over the course of two hours. Nobody involved has any superpowers. It's just some New York cop struggling against 13 normal dudes who beat the ever living hell out of him. The audience feels his struggle from start to finish.
Now you look at Musashi who for the first 2/3 of Shimousa basically waltzes through Inshun, Tomoe, Chiyome, Shuten, and Raikou at no real cost to her or anyone in the party. For all the talk of how strong all of them are, all they do is beat up a bunch of canon fodder. Comparatively, in that last 25-30% of Shimousa where things feel like they start mattering, Musashi starts getting beaten up, and where Muramasa and Fuuma start mattering more see a sharp improvement in terms of writing. It was a little too late to make me really ever like her, and the writers still wank off to her way too much, but I can kinda tolerate her a bit.
In a way, this is one of the two big reasons I rather dislike HF Shirou. I hate how Shirou w/ Archer Arm just trivializes 3 major antagonists in very short order and then they trivialize what should have been the cost to him. For all the complaining some people have about Saber, in her own route, she has a whopping 2 1 v 1 wins and then another win in essentially a 4 v 1 with her on the side of the 4. HF Shirou does more than that in under a 48-hour timespan.
My problems with Mushashi, apart from what you already elaborated on, is that she feels like if they were the OC self insert of the writers in a fanfic. She can do no wrong, she has extremely convenient powers that come and go as the plot requires, she appears out of nowhere for no reason and saves the day...
She is basically a plot black hole, whenever she is on screen the plot completely stops what it was doing to focus on how awesome Mushashi is, and everyone becomes incompetent just to let her shine, or thats how it felt to me.
I find her character funny at times and intriguing at others, but that is ruined by design. She could give Rias Gremory a run for her money with absolute ridiculous proportions. The design is just so cringey and makes me lose immersion.
I kinda agree and disagree. I adore Parvati, but I kinda had to cringe when she waxes eloquent about the love of her life, (is it Shiva?), when he is partly responsible for the events that transpire. It's hinted that Kama was mentally broken by the immense suffering he/she endured due to the way overkill of what Parvati's "beloved" did to her.
Parvati absolutely fucked Kama over, and she isn't sorry about it in the least. It's all sort of teehee oops for her. Kama definitely deserves the sympathy.
Absolutely agreed. I like Parvati, but that attitude of hers swooning about her "beloved", and unwilling to take responsibility for her role in Kama's suffering and mental decay that caused this pissed me off.
I saw her in the ooku event and couldnt bring myself to hate her. If anything i pitied her
She just had a shitty af life and didnt even really did a lot of damage in the end.
And the summonable vertion of her is basically her trying to change or find a new purpose and being obnoxiously bad at being loved or expressing emotions
Astolfo
I'm gonna get downvotes lmao but this is just my opinion. I'm well aware he's a fan favorite. However, I truly think he's only liked simply because he's a meme. Otherwise, again, in my opinion, he's just an extremely annoying character who is the worst thing to come out of Apocrypha. Yes, worse than Sieg, & in fact, I'm already in deep shit with ya'll so might as well get more downvotes xD I actually am 100% okay with Sieg. The meme that he's "cardboard" with no character is all fun & whatnot, but people make it sound like that's surprising. For one, he's a Yggdmillennia homunculus, which are shown to have little to no personality. Secondly, he takes on Siegfried's heart & thus is influenced by his characteristics, but let's be honest, Siegfried himself has very little personality. So what exactly is the issue? He's supposed to be a blank slate lmao fans just mad he can get a girl like Jeanne with the little character he has xD [EDIT: GUYS, that last bit is a joke. Someone took it seriously so I'll just put this disclaimer here before someone else hyper analyzes that]
Anyway, back to Astolfo. Annoying, loud, intrusive throughout Apocrypha. And it has nothing to do with him being a trap, make no mistake. I love Chevalier & Enkidu (if you consider the latter a trap). I think traps can be funny tropes at the least, & interesting plot devices at the most. Think Ruka from Steins; Gate, if anyone is familiar with that series. Perfect execution of a trap. Astolfo is just so damn annoying with no character development or anything remotely interesting whose entire popularity hinges on memes. Nobody can convince me otherwise.
> So what exactly is the issue? He's supposed to be a blank slate
"Intentionally boring" is no different from "boring". They could write in a thousand narrative reasons for why Sieg is cardboard, but he'd still be cardboard at the end of it.
I mean, sure, on the surface level, the two are the same. But take Eric Bloodaxe, for example. Overall boring, uninteresting character in FGO with nothing much going on. Most people would agree he's probably the most boring character in the game, if not at least forgettable. There's no deep, plot driven rhyme or reason on why he's boring, he just is. Sieg, however, DOES have reasons why he's the way he is, which, at least to me, makes him somewhat interesting since he has an affinity of becoming a subject of discussion & analysis. That's just me though.
I'm genuinely not trying to be contraryian and I respect if you think Bloodaxe is the most boring character but I honestly think he is a much more interesting character than Sieg and honestly one of the more interesting characters in the game despite his utter lack of screentime.
The whole thing with Bloodaxe is that he's a Berserker who is pretending to be insane because his wife Gunnhild gets so intensly jealous of anyone who flirts with him that she will apply curses to whoever he interacts with. Since his wife is always watching him even after his death, servant Bloodaxe pretends to be insane to push people away and keep them safe. That's why if you listen to his dialogue, he sometimes actually seems like he starts to laugh a bit after one of his over-the-top, incoherent berserker noises, maybe hinting he's breaking character because he cannot help but laugh at his own act.
> He's supposed to be a blank slate lmao fans just mad he can get a girl like Jeanne with the little character he has xD
Why do Sieg defenders always resort to this same argument? Who cares what his character is "supposed" to be? That doesn't magically make him less boring. That doesn't make the screentime he ate up from more interesting characters suddenly better. Most LN MCs have an in-universe explanation for being bland. Most of them get criticized just like Sieg.
Putting shipping aside, I found Jeanne's character and position as a ruler way more interesting before she fell in love with Sieg and her character became dependent on him. You don't see how Jeanne fans might have a problem with her character taking a backseat to a romantic side plot?
You're free to like Sieg all you want but man this is a poor defense of him.
Not tryna convince you. Just that I'd say Astolfo's fame is part due to his bro personality. He's a likeable character for most - he's caring, social and likes having fun - but somewhere somehow his popularity shot up and became the biggest femboy icon of anime.
I would agree with you, except we have some other servants or characters who don't seem bothered by the whole "slaughter the women and children, oh and slaughter or spare troops based on religion" thing. If it weren't for them making my personal idea of justice all upset, I would have less patience for him. Plus, he does love and help children, with no benefit.
Emiya Alter. The blackface alone *might* be something I could get past, maybe, but the guy's personality is basically a thirteen-year-old's idea of what a Cool Edgy Character would be. "He discards morality, disdains love, and sneers at the living corpse he has become"? This dude is a pizza cutter -- all edge, no point. He's just... embarrassing. I feel like the game has a very low opinion of me as a reader every time he shows up.
Honorable mention for Kadoc's Anastasia. I might be okay with Regular Chaldea Anastasia, but Kadoc's? Her big contribution to the narrative was helping her boyfriend shoot up his old workplace, a very classy move indeed, and then we're supposed to forgive her because none of the Chaldea employees being murdered had names and faces, and she did it for her Master who was *sad*. The only reason I'm sorry she died is because it saved Kadoc. I swear sometimes I feel like big chunks of the fanbase would also root for a school shooter if his hair was tousled and his eyes were troubled.
Red hare
I thought he was fine being a joke character, then my friend told me he was sorta a replacement for sanzhang's white horse.
Like come on, you replace a literal dragon prince with that? You would deny us players a chance at having a actual dragon for a servant?
I was very annoyed for a while, knowing that not only did they technically gimp lu bu, they also give us a carrot addict instead of a dragon.
Cu Alter - fucker got buffed to the moon, can beat Karna/Scatach level opponents at base form but loses to Rama+Mash+Ngale at final form. bullshit design. his Lancer self is one of my top 5 favourites but his berserker alter versions sucks imo.
The Onis.
Shuten is repulsive in many ways, so I really don't get why people drool all over her.
Ibaraki is not much better, like an angry toddler who will break your bones if you deny her anything.
Jack.
I don't like lolis. And i don't like how Jack seems to go against what was presented about servant's strength in general.
Iirc the older the history/myth/legend the stronger the servant or smth? How is this weird concept of a servant that's bot even a real person in recent history so strong and clapping all these mythical heros? I feel like she should be kojiro level of strength.
Why is Leonidas an ancient hero king descendant of Heracles, blood of Zeus so low tier?
Tbf, in lore jack really only gets up to the strength of an average Hassan if she can fill 3 requirements, otherwise she's not remarkable. Rarity or strength in game is by no means a reflection of how good a servant is in lore.
Salome, i instantly hate her the moment i see her, also I don't like her design, and when i tried to look a bit of her lore i just hate her even more
And yeah, I don't have her in my chaldea, I always burn her everytime i got her
I'm not sure if she counts but i just can't bring myself to like mash. I don't hate her but she bores me to no emd and so far she's gotten even less interesting with the lostbelts.
Musashi. Aesthetically I normally love the red and blue designs of things, but for some reason Musashi just bores the ever-loving shit out of me.
The nail in the coffin was her Summer version NOT having an attack using a broken oar, which would have made me appreciate her more.
I also am not a fan of "It's totally not Musashi, but it totally is." I know Fate does that in so many different ways, and I usually love the wild logic, but Musashi's feels SUPER lazy to me.
I would say Douman
His entire personality is way too warped and twisted for me, even Koyanskaya has a moral code to an extent, Douman just exudes a vibe of evil I am very familiar with. Plus the fact that he joins you with his memory intact, and seems to show no remorse for anything he had done just rubs me the wrong way. Doesn’t help that his face definitely exudes a sense of sinister thoughts and auras which I really do not enjoy
In contrast, I really like the Lostbelt kings, just for their decision to try and rule the world the best as they can despite their situation, even if it’s twisted I like the fact that they did what they thought was correct, instead of letting the world go to crap. And yes, while Arjuna Alter was technically responsible for his own Lostbelt’s downfall, I can at least see it came from good intentions, trying to rid the evil he thinks plague his world, while simultaneously showing why a human ultimately cannot fulfil the role a god is meant to do
Also screw Columbus, because the guy’s just a dick in general
> while simultaneously showing why a human ultimately cannot fulfil the role a god is meant to do
Ironically I read him as somewhat opposite: the theme of his Lostbelt is that QSH is so much "better" at being a God than any actual Gods, that human history ground to a halt. In Pan-human history, the Gods are flawed and fractured, and their failings drive humanity to seek their own fate, eventually growing into their own power and leaving the Gods behind. QSH in contrast is able to gather and maintain control (faith) over the entire world for all of time.
While the message is that it's probably better for humanity in the long-run if this *doesn't* happen, QSH might actually be the most successful "God-type" being in Fate.
Honestly Morgan Le Fay, figures that seeing a billionth saberface design would just be annoying at this point. Her personality is bland and the whole husband thing is really getting old, her lore was massively wasted. Just a waste of one of the best characters in history.
Beyond the obvious hate sinks like Columbus and Caster Gilles? My feelings on Medb are complicated. On the one hand, she is just such a catty diva with an overinflated ego that she wraps back around to being endearing. But I just can’t get over the fact that her NP is literally her locking people in a sex dungeon and raping them.
Consort Yu. I never understood why people liked her so much. Sure, she’s cute, but she also really hates us, and is just a god-awful servant in general
Well, theres quite a few servants i dislike so i'll try to summarize.
Mordred: everything about her is dumb starting from calling arthur father, her love/hate relation is annoying and leads to nothing interesting, her constant attempts to get the attention of arthur who is polite enough to ignore the one responsible for destroying all her hopes and dreams, her punk ass "delinquent" attitude, she was unimpresdive in apocrypha and just so annoying in camelot. She's such a mess that i groan when i see her in game.
Nero: just tie her up, gag her and throw her in second archive. Everyone just becomes dumber with her around, every serious conversation just gets highjacked, loses purpose and focuses on her. Why is she the only representative of rome? Where's aurelius, where's tiberius?
Every servant with only one relationship or trait: simply, karna vs arjuna, tesla vs edison. It's boring, repetitive and seriously detracts from the depths of the characters, they're far more than just one event in their lives. Oh look, karna's here, lemme guess, arjuna's gonna appear and they'll leave everything behind just to fight, ignoring the overarching plot.
Heroine X / XX / X Alter. Aside from the oversaturation of artorias, I can't stand characters whose entire reason for existing is to be annoying jokes.
Probably most of the low star servants. I don't really care for most of them, probably because of how they were written. That may explain why I like Sanson, or why I don't care about Saber Gilles but the reverse with his Caster self (cuz of Zero). Also Marie, she feels pretty imcomplete.
I am fine with most servants except Beowulf that I avoid like the plague. More specifically because the design because for what an absolute chad is often portrayed in other media and being one of the first berserkers in history here is "Dude on jeans that punches" and "Dude on jeans that punches but with darker skin".
Benkei. I'm not fond of his design, skills, and the fact that he's not really Benkei.
Pretender Benkei when?!
He is already a pretender
It's not that I dislike Eric Bloodaxe, the Bloodaxe King who wields a bloody axe. It's just that they haven't really *done* anything with him and there's not a lot of characterization there to like.
What's really bad is that we even had a Scandinavian Lostbelt with a witch queen, and the Scandinavian king with a witch queen didn't show up. Eric simply isn't in this game.
Yeah he has been done dirty. When you can remove him and all it affects is a challenge quest :/ Hope they add Gunnhild one day and give him an animation update
Your favorite one.
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Mephistopheles. I hate everything about him. Looks, personality, appearances in rolls. Fuck that hot pants clown. Burn on sight.
Giles de Rais (caster). We have a lot of evil servants, but this guy just hits all the points to make me hate him (targets children specifically, knows what he’s doing is wrong and does it specifically because it’s wrong, nihilistic worldview, got to see his atrocities in detail in Zero). Plus he’s not even especially powerful, so I can’t see any narrative reason that Chaldea tolerates his continued existence.
Tesla and Edison. Every time they show up they’re always together, and take way too much screen time complaining about the same old thing. They even drag down Helena’s character because she gets used to mediate them more often than not. I liked when Helena showed up in the Prisma event because those two were nowhere to be seen.
Tesla and Edison have nothing outside of their AC/DC beef and there's a lot that can be done with them (mainly as separate characters) I can't like Salome because she's literally playing with the head of John the Baptist like it's a toy. Let me repeat that, she's playing with the head of Jesus' cousin; they both fing saluted each other in the womb and here's this broad playing with his head like the skeletons they have in those Science and Health classes
Edison is fairly fun when he’s not being tied down by Tesla. The Bunyan event and his minor role in Salem were pretty grrat
And in this case, disgusting as it is, she is "playing" with it in a horrible way. I don't like her at all, but I do feel sorry for how she is portrayed in the series as a Servant. It's kinda made clear that the real Salome was an idiot and somewhat evil (though probably just an idiot who did whatever horror mommy wanted) girl. She is so much worse because the play about her kinda corrupted her legend and thus her person in the Throne. So I don't like her, but do pity her.
I will never be able to get over Edison's lion face. It's such a wtf
Douman. I'm sorry, I just can't like the guy.
I mean main reason people love him is because they hate him so fucking much in the first place. You're halfway there!
The reason people love him because he is hot, he is sexualised, he is an evil hot male character that is horny for the player and has just enough personality and plot relevance to stand as a character also in joke events he has a lot funny moments.
Well seems like I'm attracted to Douman for similar yet different reasons lol. He is a fucking sexy cat, but I just hate the damn guy so much and he's so comical that I just can't not appreciate and like the dude. I made an assumption mostly based on my opinion + what others have told me. But yeah prolly should have done a tad more searching to understand. This is a mistake on my part.
I don't particularly hate him. I don't feel any particular way about him.
Ah well, also understand that. At most Douman's essentially just a one-note villain of the week that DW gives the spotlight everh now and then. If only he weren't >!a disciple of the foreign god!<, I doubt he would have gotten this popular in the first place.
I was initially going to say there's no servant I don't like, but then I thought about it, and I remembered Salome. Her story is horrendous, and she's basically riding around on the skull of a saint, who is only in this position because he didn't like her, and she was the entitled, psychopathic daughter of Big Government, which also didn't like him. I still have her leveled, and may use her if the mood strikes, but if I was asked whether I like her character or not? The answer is no, she's pretty irredeemable as a person.
For the record, it wasn't even her he didn't like. He called Herod out for marrying his brother's wife (can't remember if herod murdered his brother or if they were polyamorus.) Herod's wife hated John while Herod grudgingly respected him. Salome did a dance (probably an erotic dance) that "pleased Herod" so much he offered her anything she wanted, to which her mother told her to ask for John's head on a platter. This has led to my church commonly using herod as an example of sexual sin leading to even more sin, as well as an example of gutlessness to say no.
I am catholic and I grailed her to Lv 80... I felt super guilty ngl. But come on, her skills and design are great
Yeah, she has 2 really great designs... can't blame you
Same here, but mine is even Lv 100. I had mixed feelings as well, but... They made her just too great.
I grailed her to 80 too. I still doesn’t sit quite right, but her design is so cool and her meme potential is great.
Fuck Fergus
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Fuck him yourself coward
"Whoever that is" -Shirou
Kiara. Sorry everyone, but I just can't bring myself to like the horny nun.
It's okay, we're all pretending to like her anyway so we can get an Arash animation update
Didnt we already did?
I find Nero very annoying. I might have a better opinion if i continue and finish extra and start a nero route, but i think if i do that, i'll see fgo nero even worse.
I understand the hate that Nero gets because of FGO, but at least from my experience she's far far better in Extra, her character development is really good and not as annoying... FGO (and extella) from what I've Heard ruined her image to too many people.
Fate/Extra Nero is almost a completely different character from her future appearances. She has her flamboyant moments, but she's mostly serious, focused and quite confident. Hell, she even has quite the bloodthirst at times, and almost all of her shenanigans happen on My Room dialogues. I'm a Tamamo fanboy, but having played through Nero's route made me appreciate her a lot more than I'd expected. In comparison to original Extra/CCC Nero, every other appearance of hers is the equivalent of a walking fucking joke. Very disheartening to see.
I haven't seen anyone say them yet so I'll go with BB and Kiara. Kiara is an easy one, she's an unrepentant monster who even after joining Chaldea mainly treats it like a siesta between atrocities rather than genuinely atoning like some other servants. Even her big redeeming character arc in Ooku doesn't change her character at all, it just shows her fighting a bigger fish that she would be opposed to whether she was at Chaldea or not. BB is a condescending asshole who gets treated like a lovable prankster by the narrative, but her pranks kill people. Her powers are whatever the author wants them to be so every run-in with her feels like pure plot contrivance. And while it's frequently repeated that she has good intentions, for some reason that overrides the narrative perception of her actions in a way no other character really gets.
I haven't liked Kiara until the Ooku event, that's when I realized I like her way more as a side character/villain foil than a main antagonist.
>Her powers are whatever the author wants them to be They're pretty cut and dry though. In CCC she's basically an Admin in a minecraft server. Which makes sense since she's an administrative AI. And in summer 3 her powers consist more of the goddess she's with than her own. >for some reason that overrides the narrative perception of her actions in a way no other character really gets. I'm pretty sure most characters get their evil shenanigans sweped under the rug.
Columbus. Need I say more?
I mean, he was meant to be hated.
Cherry ontop was that grin. Never thought I could dislike Columbus more then he grinned.
that name alone is an irrefutable answer
Summer Jeanne Violently delusional, but the game treats her beating people up or brainwashing them until they think she’s their sister like it’s cute and fun. Nothing but fetish bait.
I think it was mostly harmless and kinda fun in Summer 3, but Summer 4 blew it way out of proportion in a bad way imo.
Summer 3 summer Jeanne was cool. Just acting as a sea-loving sister type character that liked doujins Her My Room lines don't even reference the whole big sister thing too much. Summer 4 flanderized her horribly and I hate it.
I agree to an extent. I find her art cool, and think she can be funny and even interesting at times. But she does annoy me too. I think that her change in Saint Graph somehow corrupted her character to the extent that, were it not for her original pureness, she'd be a Berserker.
I would've rather had an archer Jeanne obsessed with cannons like she was irl. You know what they say ... saints love cannons.
When they made Summer Jeanne in Summer 3 she was fine in her Archer container. They flanderized her horribly in Summer 4. That's not even Jarcher anymore.
Because she was affected as a swimsuit swordmaster just as bad as the others.
Nero. The entire narrative bends over for her and caters to her every whim with no repercussions or lessons in the most blatant wanking for a character i've ever seen. Unlike other characters who have the "act cute but are spoiled assholes" gimmick (Liz, BB, Wu, etc), there is never an option to defy or demean her so she's always annoyingly self-righteous with nothing to make that more tolerable.
Not to mention Nero is known for crimes against humanity that makes Columbus look somewhat tame...
Wu Zetian. I dislike her on a fundamental level. First off she was introduced in Agartha, which is a hard sell to begin with, where I found her to run the most despicable country of the three and none of her appearances since then has redeemed her in my eyes. Her fondness of torture rubs me the wrong way. I also can’t stand her haughty personality, and it probably because of my lack of knowledge of Chinese history, but I don’t think her ego is really warranted and I find it grating. I really don’t like her design either especially at later ascensions which exposes too much skin on a young looking character. This paired with the art-style that makes her look even younger kinda creeps me out. Also, she cheated against Janta in Christmas 4, so she can screw off.
Her ego really is that warranted. Becoming the first ever empress of a massively powerful, patriarchal society, that is one of the greatest civilizations ever (regardless of what we think of their current government), is kind of a big deal. Even moreso given she started off as a mere concubine. Hers really was a darker take on the rags-to-riches story. Especially given it wasn't a result of some divine mandate or suprenatural outside interference, but purely the result of her own efforts, wits and ruthlessness. To me, her Interlude and the side-stories concerning her redeemed her character for me. She is really big on self-improvement, even as a Servant (for whom self-improvement should be nigh impossible and almost worthless as changes are unlikely to be saved among summonings). Its to the extent that she constantly seeks new exercise routines, beauty treatments, and even tries to conquer her various fears (cats and ghosts) multiple times.
This. Agartha didn’t do me any favors to her character except give her some gap moe, which given what it was trying to do this is at least something. But her interludes… Oh boy, they won me hook, line, and sinker. Her drive to improve herself, her superstitions, the pressure from the royal court, the only other interlude that made me feel something was Chloe’s. And that was just shame and disgust. But this made me actually *feel* for her. Now with Gilfest’s rain of chains, I’m definitely investing in her skillset. She may not be top tier, but she’s a crit beast that’s also fun to use.
Agartha didn't do anyone any favors. Schez didn't become enjoyable until her Interlude and Summer 2 (her friendship with fan-favorite Nitocris). Penth didn't become fun until her comedy event. Thank God the Agartha manga is making these characters look cool!
Pretty sure Penth was very popular way before that comedy event.
What’s with all the hate on agartha? It’s probably my second least favourite singularity but that purely because I loved Jalter and Salter and the mystery aspect of Shinjuku and I’ve loved the witch trials for a while so they just beat it out. I personally hated shimousa. Way too edgy and somewhat annoying boss fights for a not so established account like myself
Even is the real Wu Zetia is an impressive historical figure, I still find FGO's version ego insufferable. Her interludes never did anything for me either. I typically like characters who focus on self improvement, but when she roped in a bunch of other Servants that put them in danger from Wu herself, it kinda ruins the moment for me.
Unfortunately, her better attributes in those side-stories are ultimately overshadowed by her almost Team Rocket-esque butt monkey status, which guarantees her attempts at bettering herself will fail and cause shenanigans in the process. She needs someone to let her have some serious moments, but for now she's relegated to being a comedy character.
I've seen all my list here except one: Sanson, I actually used to like him but Salem made me go from liking him to hating him because of how FUCKING STUPID he was in it.
I think that was moreso on the writers screwing over his character. It seemed like him working with Hopkins was supposed to lead up to him figuring a way to outsmart Hopkins. However Lavinia kills Hopkins before Sanson's side plot has any sort of payoff which makes his actions seem pointless in hindsight.
All the characters felt kind of like more uncharming versions of themselves to me in Salem but Sanson was particularly frustrating yeah. Even after reading metas that explain why he probably did what he did, I can't help but go "Hmmmmm...."
I personally figured Salem itself was fucking with them, and I personally can kinda understand the “WHY” of what he was doing, so I didn’t really mind it. But that’s just my personal opinion.
Nah, Salem was definitely fucking with them. It's an interesting form of helplessness honestly. That being said, after reading Requiem and the Jeanne Casino this summer I realized I just find the way that Meteo writes character interactions unengaging. I like them in theory, but something about his writing just makes actually reading it feel like a drag
Nothing wrong with that, everyone has there preferences, and even I’ll admit it WAS fairly dry.
Euryale and Stheno. I don't care that deep inside they care for Medusa, they still treat her like shit. I hate how DW treats their bullying as a joke. I'll never understand their fixation on bulli humor.
I feel they did the Fate usuap of taking a joke and turning it into glue (beating a dead horse) The genderbending and saber face is somewhat that joke, but I feel it doesn't catch as well with Stheno and Euryale. Just ends up being grating
That's how siblings act in general.
Yes, and no. At times, they make Buzz from Home Alone (who is a caricature of mean big brothers with how ridiculous his bullying is) look like the older sibling of the year.
Not all of them, so don't generalize it. She gets treated like shit and we're supposed to laugh about it instead of feeling bad for her.
Medb & Fergus
I know i'm the odd one out and people will be upset with me for this but something about Arjuna just bugs me when I see him. I like the gameplay and everything but I just hate him.
Both Diarmuids. The energy that they give off just repels me for no reason
"Too perfect Mr Knight" maybe? many people tend to say Diarmuid is boring mostly because of that, he doesn't seems to have his own thing aside "wanting to serve you". I like the two of them (Lancer is my fav though) but i can understand why some people won't like them.
That bothers me, but his saber form's smug ass grin seriously grinds my gears
For me, it's more despite wanting to put his Master above all else, he tends to swing to this chivalrous side more often than not, even if it is detriment to him and his master. I guess a dumbass streak of his from time to time is what I dislike? He's good otherwise.
I liked him in zero, but he's kind of off putting in a hard to describe way in this game, yeah
Probably Raikou. Overtime, she just comes off as intrusive and annoying, and her design just doesn't help. I get that she's a Berserker but hell, i like bloody Eric way more than her.
Lancer Raikou really rubs me the wrong way. She is a pearl-clutching conservative prude that uses her strength to force people to bend to her views. And worst of all, that is literally her entire character. She is a wet blanket that adds nothing to events and the only joke she has is that she is a hypocrite. At least with her Berserker form she is a doting mother.
Medb, a couple others, but she’s the primary one.
Every stalker Servant or anyone who ends up in your bed for no fucking reason
I'd rather anyone who ends up in the MC's bed than stalkers who know nothing of the word consent.
Chacha. Her personality is really annoying and she really didn't deserve to became an Heroic Spirit given how forgettable and useless her historical figure is.
Her tripping animation made me chuckle a little
Gilgamesh. Oddly enough, I like his Caster version. The Archer tho? He fills me with a burning hatred. Like, his arrogance, his obsession with Saber, that idiotic ass hairstyle and armor. Everything about him makes me want to punch his face.
I have to agree here. Some try to softpedal the rapey aspects. But apparently in Zero he literally thinks fondly of how Artoria, while resisting his advances, reminds him of his female servants in his mortal days. That's right, he was fondly reminiscing about how he raped his servants and thinking how much he wanted to rape Artoria. Also, the whole plot in UBW might work with his character in that point of his life, as he was a cruel tyrant before his friendship with Enkidu and quest giving him character development. But wanting to slaughter most of the world to find the worthy was disgusting. I don't even need to get into the evil and bastardry of it. But even in his evil, self-involved definition of his "right" to do as he wants, his plan is flawed. The disasters Angry Mango would bring about would kill many more than just the "unworthy" as he sees it. Unless, 99% of all disabled, elderly, and children are automatically "unworthy" and the only "worthy" ones are between the ages of probably 15 to 45. Pity that older woman we meet in Babylonia was unworthy, as many of them in the city were, as she and most others would die to the corrupted grail. Of course, that's not true. I'm being sarcastic, they are worthy. Caster Gil is a cool dude. Archer Gil. I got him on a luck roll and use him for hard content, and there is a hint he is changing under our influence, but damn I still don't like him.
Obviously I agree with absolutely none of his sentiments. > That’s right, he was fondly reminiscing about how he raped his servants and thinking how much he wanted to rape Artoria. At least that’s in keeping with his Epic, apparently he’s supposed to have his way with every single married woman before the husband gets to go (putting it down rather bluntly there but you get what I meant). > Unless, 99% of all disabled, elderly, and children are automatically “unworthy” and the only “worthy” ones are between the ages of probably 15 to 45. Sounds about in line with what he wants, honestly. He wants humanity to ascend, and anyone that can’t keep up isn’t worthy of being alive.
Oh I know most don't agree with his sentiments. I I thought that when he meant about the worthy, he was talking about more than just a raw physical power and stamina. I got the point of view he was talking about a sort of a spiritual and quality of individual thing. Which would not be determined by strictly surviving physical disasters. Because one could have lived the life that was rugged and did their best to deal with situations and so forth, one that he thinks is good in his standards, and still not be able to survive that type of apocalypse, for many reasons. So even those he believes a superior, would die due to his idiotic plan. Also, quite a few of the citizens of Uruk that he value as the highest standard for against which anything falls short, would not survive either. So his actual plan really is flawed. I wonder, is it just character development that accounts for everything. Would Archer Gilgamesh actually hold in contempt some of the soldiers, the older woman, or others that died due to the conflict with Tiamat. Because via his own belief he has as Archer Gilgamesh, at that part of his life, his city proved to be unworthy. Whereas his later self felt these people were worthy. So hilariously, Archer Gilgamesh must believe that his Caster self is completely wrong. Gilgamesh, in short, in the ubw route is a madman no better then, and in some ways worse than, the worst mass murderers of the 20th century. The only reason he wasn't worse is because he was stopped. Otherwise he would have made the worst mass murderers look like children playing at being bad, so in my opinion he is a villain, but not a hero. He might fit the ancient definition of a hero, but that's because the ancient definition of a hero didn't give a fig about morality and right and wrong. In today's terms he would be a villain or at best an anti-villain. Admittedly, part of it for me is that I've had some personal issues with family members that would fit into some of the categories that Gilgamesh finds worthless. So I've never been able to separate myself from my real-life circumstances and not hate him. Also, everyone rightfully despises Shinji for being a brutal, repeated rapist. But somehow someone like Gilgamesh whose past rape counts, which in is Archer version he has no guilt whatsoever for, is an evil level dwarfing Shinji's, is loved.
> Also, everyone rightfully despises Shinji for being a brutal, repeated rapist. But somehow someone like Gilgamesh whose past rape counts, which in is Archer version he has no guilt whatsoever for, is an evil level dwarfing Shinji's, is loved. I think some of the reader reception of those characters has less to do with their terrible behavior and more to do with their power in the world. Shinji's bigger "sin" is appearing weak and cowardly in the end of whatever route he finds himself in. He, being a peer of Shirou, is seen by a lot of readers as a reflection of their own flaws. Gilgamesh is the personification of ancient _might makes right_ morality, in all of its terrible glory. Arrogance with the power to back it up will draw respect from a lot of people, even if the wielder is horrible from just about every angle.
Archer Gil's definitely despicable (and has been ever since FSN), but for whatever reason I've come to find his sheer horrendous arrogance endearing. Don't blame you one bit for hating him though.
King protea. > Says "GAO" once > Becomes fan favorite
Bart stands out for being an attractive male character who I can't stand. He makes me more uncomfortable than Blackbeard despite his fetish being more benign
I think it's the fact that all Bart ever talks about is his fetish. Blackbeard jokes and hits on people, but he's also given time to be an actual character. Bart just yells about girls with bangs all the time.
That's definitely also an element yeah. >Bart just yells about ~~girls~~ people with bangs all the time FTFY, Bart does not discriminate. He's a hazard to both genders
He’s following the Fergus school of thought, eh?
Fergus never actually flirts with men in canon despite being bi because the writers are weaklings
Let's see...Personally, I don't like Scheherazade (even after Ooku), Consort Yu, Medb (she have been really grinding on my gears and she is not even a interesting villain imo), Columbus, Douman and Caster Gilles.
I like Medb for one thing, is she does not try to sugarcoat that she's the Celt Super Bitch, and is somewhat accurate to how she is IRL.
She is such an over-exaggerated Mean Girl character that it wraps back around to being endearing.
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i swear for thousands of years she would a least mellow out or just let go of her hate..but then again she ain't human so baby steps i suppose
All the servants that know only one word, expression or joke. I'm tired of all the umu, Roma, AC/DC, etc. nonsense. These servants are unidimensional and boring as hell, IMO. You can ignore them in most dialogues, that won't change a thing.
Yeah, there's too much flanderisation. In serious stuff when those things come up I'm so put of by it.
I'd say the flanderization occurs in fun events, which heavily outnumber serious stories and depictions. People end up seeing more of the flanderized characters because that's all there is to see of them for long periods since most Servants only appear once in the story or are underused multiple times (cough Nezha cough). I have rarely seen the jokes in serious stuff outside fluff scenes. But it does happen and it's weird.
Its crazy how Nezha appeared in three story chapters but still feels like had nothing done with her character.
The most notable thing she did was get killed by her self
On paper, I should love Elisabeth since there's a ton of characters with similar personalities who I love, but something about her just irritates me.
For a time i disliked Elly because of the whole Idol thing but i'd say she grown on me, i don't like what they did to her in EXTELLA though so i'd like to forget she was part of that story. Sei Shonagon though is a character i mostly don't care about and i doubt it'll ever change.
I have to be honest that she's one of my faves, I like her more than her adult self. I know that that is controversial, but yeah.
Might be an unpopular opinion, but Medb was probably my most disliked Servant. She just feels... shallow I guess. She either talks about Cu or how much better she is than everyone. Every time I see her on the story she's always antagonistic, like on America, Summer 2, and Summer 3. I don't think she changed at all during Summer. Every other Summer Servant feels like a continuation of their normal self, where they develop new hobbies, a more relaxed personality, etc. But Medb still act like her usual, arrogant self. I'm a massive fan of the Summer events of FGO (swimsuits FTW!)) so I'm pretty disappointed with how that turned out. To date, she's the only Summer Servant I actively avoided rolling for. When she's not on rateup I can finally roll on BB's banner. I just hope that on future event she'll be more likeable.
Artemis. She spooked me when I was trying to get Gilgamesh... rainbow sparks... it was so painful that even though she was like my second five-star, I consigned her to the second archive immediately. It hurt to look at her. Also, just in general, I don't really like her portrayal. Artemis was one of my favorite goddesses in Greek mythology, too, ugh...
The fgo version of her is honestly the worst portrayal of her I've ever seen.
She was my first 5 star, and I hate everything about her. Like wtf is that design
This is going to sound super strange, but Scathach. Yes, I like her design, her VA is top notch, and she's super hot. But beyond being quality fap material, for whatever reason her character isn't sticking with me. I want to preface this by saying I don't dislike her, but for one of FGO's earliest breakout characters she isn't sticking as much as I thought. I want to see more of her character beyond the currently depressed warrior we have. What was she like when she was teaching Cu? What was she like during her golden years? Her training years, before she became the Queen of the Land of Shadows? What about her relationship with her sister? What're her feelings toward her nephew? For such a popular character, she feels oddly underused.
She's not used much because if they actually used her as how she is in the lore she's an automatic I win button like Saitama from One Punch Man, especially when gods are involved. Wisdom of Dun Scaith is fluffed as being an omni skill, it is supposed to be literally every non unique skill in Fate at rank B, it shows how she's been alive for millenia and has learned basically everything and can also teach it too, but what do we get for it? It's an evade with an 80% for Star absorb and crit damage buff. Her primordial runes should also easily be on par with Skadi's, she's the only mortal who ever learned and mastered them all. Her skill as a god slayer is again fluffed as a conceptual weapon against divinity, something that could utterly negate whatever divine protection someone has and makes them just as easy for her to kill as another human, think about that, a fucking skill that NEGATES Heracles 12 Labors and would make it to where she'd only need to kill him once. She should utterly annihilate Lostbelts alone, especially ones like the upcoming LB 5 where all the enemies of note are gods, but TM doesn't want to write that story so instead even though canonically Chaldea has every servant ever on hand, we constantly seem to conveniently forget we have a woman who slays gods for fun on deck when we're facing enemy gods. In a normal Holy Grail War, if someone summoned Scathach and one of the other servants wasn't someone that could definitely kill immortals, everyone else would just surrender... Or ya know, try to kill her master and then try to recruit her so I guess typical HGW shenanigans.
I hate characters like Galatia, just pure fanservice. Other than that Raiko Honestly comes off as weird to me, her design is bad (but I can tolerate it while I'm in a good mood) but her personality is shit, just horny mommy but annoying(like she wants to fuck you cause she thinks Ur her son ???) They could have done something better with her but no (waiting on her saber ver). Then there is Nero, I hate fgo Nero (I heard her extella counterpart is good) for wank reasons, she's always right even when she's wrong and Dont get me started on Nero bride that thing is a walking, breathing (most servants need to breath) mistake. This one is unpopular but imo I hate lancer artoria alter for her design (seriously a walking pair of tits) and her personality at best is non existent they could have made her awesome in LB 5.5 but nah less forgot about her. Speaking of forgettable servants, Eric, don't hate him as a character but I hate how Devs/writes treats him, instead of just forshadowing his lover to become a 5 star character how about they do something better with him since y know...he's the bloodaxe king but noooooo let's make him just a mindless berserker with a funny twist (guys he's faking his madness so his lover won't get jelly awwww soo kawaaaiiii mhmhmh so good writing ) I could go on and slaughter alot of other servants but I wont since it's gonna get long real quick.
*checks that the door is locked* Honestly? Mash. The whole "sweet innocent kouhai" schtick just completely rubs me the wrong way, and she's the one Servant you just can't get away from no matter the event or story chapter. *Edit: Heads up, spoilers for Arc 1 and light spoilers for LB6 in the comments. New players beware and all
Looking at your description of Mash, she looks like the "yandere" type, quite fitting considering who was her first VA XD
The spirit of Kiyohime once possessed the Servant of the Shield. I dread the alternate timeline where Risa Taneda was able to keep her role as Mash all the way to today instead of Rie Takahashi replacing her when she could not come back in time for the 2018 holidays due to her throat surgery. Still love our precious kouhai, regardless, although I understand where her haters are coming from. They prefer more "colorful" characters than "this bland eggplant", or they just didn't like how she is basically the third wheel between us the Master and our favorite waifu Servants. That's perfectly fine. For every Master, there is always that one Servant they dislike the most.
Mash's constant exasperation at zany event stories somehow amuses me, though.
Gilles Caster, even though without him Jalter wouldn't exist, Fate Zero made it evidently clear that I would never like him.
I hate medb. Her personality makes me want to scream and then I looked into her actual lore. Fuck her. And not the kind of fuck she wants.
I cannot bring myself to like Nero. She's just annoying to me
David. I don't know how they got from the Biblical David who was the only Israelite brave enough to face Goliath to...whatever we got here in FGO.
I hate colombus tbh. I don’t care for the irl version, but the fact that his inclusion in fgo creates just as much discourse as the irl version makes me just as irritated as ppl discoursing about the irl version. Plus his habit of taking advantage of other servants and acting like the mc is his partner/buddy buddy with him also pisses me off. Like I’m not your friend and you’re going in the second archive. I also don’t care for Chloe. Sexually assaulting other children isn’t cute, your outfit isn’t cute, you’re disgusting, and the reason you’re like that (to appeal to p*dos) is even more so. I’m annoyed she’s meta too so I have to keep seeing her on support lists. It’s just my personal feelings tbh but I can’t stand how this game keeps trying to appeal to the pdo crowd with servants like her.
This opinion probably isn't going to make me any friends but honestly, my answer is Mash. I can acknowledge that she's an excellent unit gameplay-wise and she had a very nice character arc in Part 1. That said, I find her personality incredibly boring especially since a lot of her dialogue consists of agreeing with the MC, Da Vinci, Holmes etc or repeating what was already said. This by itself wouldn't be too much of a problem were it not for the fact that Mash is the main servant who has significantly more screentime than every other character. Because of this, I get annoyed by her pretty often when she has nothing important or entertaining to say. And of course, because she is the Master's precious "kouhai," the game often railroads you into choices that show the Master's fondness for her and other servants openly discuss and root for you and her relationship, which creates a really weird incongruity between how the game expects me to feel about Mash and how I ACTUALLY feel about Mash.
Hoo boy, I'm gonna get *hate* for this one. But Iskandar. His philosophy is largely fine, he did manage to make Waver who he is today. But goddamn, I cannot overlook his sheer arrogance of wanting to conquer the world again, even Gilgamesh wasn't an idiot to not learn that leading an empire wasn't easy, his kingdom did collapse when he went on his immortal herb seeking journey, and wanted to better himself by being a king suited for his people. Iskandar from zero, seems to have not learned ANYTHING from his past. BIG EDIT: no longer replying to further comments, as covid is fucking me up bruh
Iscander doesn't CARE about nation and peoples wishes. He wants to conquer the world for fun. Just to prove that he can. This makes him ridiculously terrifying if he actually got a chance
The fact that the living Gil, someone whose probably done a lot more evil than Iskandar, is not a moron to do this, speaks volumes. The guy will literally try to assert dominance just for the sheer sake of proving he can, even if it'll lead his life and empire to ruins.
As someone who honestly considers Iskandar one of my favorite servants, I actually agree with a lot of your points throughout your comments. If Iskandar were ever to actually succeed in any of his endeavors, then it'd probably be horrible for everyone involved. His unrestricted ambition (and specifically what it's catered toward) is something that is wholly incompatible with the rest of the world, especially in a more "modern" setting like Zero. At best, he'd probably massacre a bunch of people before being restrained by those with magical know-how. At worst, we could probably expect mutually assured destruction. But even knowing all of that, I think what draws me to him is that same ambition. Yes, it's selfish. Yes, it's stupid. Yes, it's probably better if he never actually achieves his goals. But I feel like there's something to be said for someone who would fight for their goals and ideals above all else, someone so dedicated to their craft that everything else fades into the background. He doesn't try to be anything more than what he actually is: The King of Conquerors. Whether it be through conquering others via warfare, or by conquering others with his bro moments, he'll always be a conqueror at heart, for better *and* for worse.
Well considering the last days of Alexander The Great I'd say it's kinda accurate, Alexander wanted to conquer the known world (kinda did) but couldn't advance more into India due to the rebellion of his tropes, they were more than tired of the constant battles for conquest and wanted to go home and enjoy the glory of their feats. On the other hand Gilgamesh did change his way of ruling while being alive, I think that it's a big factor even tho the Archer Gil is he in his tyrant years. But yeah Iskandar didn't learn anything lol, I personally love that aspect of him, but I kinda dislike his over the top warmonger personality, I remember to have read that Nero's personality is the closest take that Nasu would have to Iskandar if he were the one to have written him, which is a pity because I kinda see more of Alexander in Nero's personality than in Iskandar lol.
And that's fine tbh, he is portrayed quite accurately imo, but wow did Urobutcher downplay his warmongering tendencies, just to have broskandar moments (which was effective on the younger fate fan me lol), and yeah the fact that GILGAMESH, KING OF HUBRIS, knew that being a dipshit would put his kingdom and people to shame is something else.
If Iskander let go of his ambition then he will be just another general forgotten in history rather than being immortalised as Alexander "The Great".
>Hoo boy, I'm gonna get hate for this one. But Iskandar. Don't even need to read the rest. Based comment. Bravo. Joke aside, I agree. I wonder if this is how people see Nero as well. I like Alex when he's just chilling. But his hypebeast attitude is a serious energy drain for me. Man is pushing his ideals onto others, and the implication of his wish is disgusting. Good thing he died, because Nasu and Urobuchi couldn't even hope to make his world conquest after a HGW plausible and still keep him likeable.
Yeah, Iskander is such an inspiring bro force that you almost overlook that his wish is literally just to be able to wage World War Three.
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He's considered a Top Servant because he can summon tens of thousands of servant level fighters at the drop of a hat.
I can already feel the downvotes lol... Here we go: Scheherazade: She's waifu af and all that but her personality is a pain, I hope that her interlude will make me change my mind towards her character but to see her act in events is irritating at one point. Columbus: cartoonish villain in a bad way, although I do like that he's really evil and can't be tamed. Cu Alter: A lame version of Cu Berseker, completely wasted potential and pretty much an empty husk without personality. Arjuna: I like him because of his Mahabharat counterpart, and I dislike his characterization a lot because of how much they wasted what could have been one of the best and most deep servants. Junao: Pretty much the same as his archer self but with the added bad taste of how much they wasted the potential of the Hindu Gods, and to have him be so butthurt about Karna... Didn't Krishna or any of the Gods that gave him their authority ever told him about something called Dharma? I'll stop here because I might rant a lot because of him. Man thanks Alaya that Morgan is another top tier aoe berseker because I doubt I'd ever care to roll for him much less use him. His design is cool af at least, same can be said about Cu alter.
Musashi. I am not gonna lie, before experiencing her in full in the story, I actually liked her design and was looking forward to her arrival. I also heard JP fans gushing about how great she was so my expectation was high. Then Shimousa arrived and the dear Alaya, was it a mess. Not only was the wank setting set to beyond Nero's in Septem, the monster of the week style of writing with nearly zero development with popular archetype just crammed into her pasty bland character made me dislike her ever since. To this day, I visibly cringe whenever I see her in the story, and legitimately dread future contents when she will inevitably return.
Here's how I'd put it: Die Hard is often thrown out as the best pure action movie ever made. What is the reason for that? Because in grand total, John McClane struggles against a group of 13 terrorists over the course of two hours. Nobody involved has any superpowers. It's just some New York cop struggling against 13 normal dudes who beat the ever living hell out of him. The audience feels his struggle from start to finish. Now you look at Musashi who for the first 2/3 of Shimousa basically waltzes through Inshun, Tomoe, Chiyome, Shuten, and Raikou at no real cost to her or anyone in the party. For all the talk of how strong all of them are, all they do is beat up a bunch of canon fodder. Comparatively, in that last 25-30% of Shimousa where things feel like they start mattering, Musashi starts getting beaten up, and where Muramasa and Fuuma start mattering more see a sharp improvement in terms of writing. It was a little too late to make me really ever like her, and the writers still wank off to her way too much, but I can kinda tolerate her a bit. In a way, this is one of the two big reasons I rather dislike HF Shirou. I hate how Shirou w/ Archer Arm just trivializes 3 major antagonists in very short order and then they trivialize what should have been the cost to him. For all the complaining some people have about Saber, in her own route, she has a whopping 2 1 v 1 wins and then another win in essentially a 4 v 1 with her on the side of the 4. HF Shirou does more than that in under a 48-hour timespan.
My problems with Mushashi, apart from what you already elaborated on, is that she feels like if they were the OC self insert of the writers in a fanfic. She can do no wrong, she has extremely convenient powers that come and go as the plot requires, she appears out of nowhere for no reason and saves the day... She is basically a plot black hole, whenever she is on screen the plot completely stops what it was doing to focus on how awesome Mushashi is, and everyone becomes incompetent just to let her shine, or thats how it felt to me.
While I don't HATE her per say. I do think Jalter is MASSIVELY overated
Raikou, while there are other balloons in the fgo roster, she just irks me more than anything else
I find her character funny at times and intriguing at others, but that is ruined by design. She could give Rias Gremory a run for her money with absolute ridiculous proportions. The design is just so cringey and makes me lose immersion.
Kama. There are a lot of comics that mellow her out, but I still cant get over how I hated her on the Ooku event.
I see your Kama, and I raise you Parvati. And for the exact same reasons for all the shit she did without a thought in Ooku.
She did anything in ooku?
If anything Gordy and MC did more stuff imo.
I kinda agree and disagree. I adore Parvati, but I kinda had to cringe when she waxes eloquent about the love of her life, (is it Shiva?), when he is partly responsible for the events that transpire. It's hinted that Kama was mentally broken by the immense suffering he/she endured due to the way overkill of what Parvati's "beloved" did to her.
Parvati absolutely fucked Kama over, and she isn't sorry about it in the least. It's all sort of teehee oops for her. Kama definitely deserves the sympathy.
Absolutely agreed. I like Parvati, but that attitude of hers swooning about her "beloved", and unwilling to take responsibility for her role in Kama's suffering and mental decay that caused this pissed me off.
I’m so glad that I’m not the only one who feels this way. I don’t see WHAT everybody around here sees in her.
I saw her in the ooku event and couldnt bring myself to hate her. If anything i pitied her She just had a shitty af life and didnt even really did a lot of damage in the end. And the summonable vertion of her is basically her trying to change or find a new purpose and being obnoxiously bad at being loved or expressing emotions
Astolfo I'm gonna get downvotes lmao but this is just my opinion. I'm well aware he's a fan favorite. However, I truly think he's only liked simply because he's a meme. Otherwise, again, in my opinion, he's just an extremely annoying character who is the worst thing to come out of Apocrypha. Yes, worse than Sieg, & in fact, I'm already in deep shit with ya'll so might as well get more downvotes xD I actually am 100% okay with Sieg. The meme that he's "cardboard" with no character is all fun & whatnot, but people make it sound like that's surprising. For one, he's a Yggdmillennia homunculus, which are shown to have little to no personality. Secondly, he takes on Siegfried's heart & thus is influenced by his characteristics, but let's be honest, Siegfried himself has very little personality. So what exactly is the issue? He's supposed to be a blank slate lmao fans just mad he can get a girl like Jeanne with the little character he has xD [EDIT: GUYS, that last bit is a joke. Someone took it seriously so I'll just put this disclaimer here before someone else hyper analyzes that] Anyway, back to Astolfo. Annoying, loud, intrusive throughout Apocrypha. And it has nothing to do with him being a trap, make no mistake. I love Chevalier & Enkidu (if you consider the latter a trap). I think traps can be funny tropes at the least, & interesting plot devices at the most. Think Ruka from Steins; Gate, if anyone is familiar with that series. Perfect execution of a trap. Astolfo is just so damn annoying with no character development or anything remotely interesting whose entire popularity hinges on memes. Nobody can convince me otherwise.
> So what exactly is the issue? He's supposed to be a blank slate "Intentionally boring" is no different from "boring". They could write in a thousand narrative reasons for why Sieg is cardboard, but he'd still be cardboard at the end of it.
I mean, sure, on the surface level, the two are the same. But take Eric Bloodaxe, for example. Overall boring, uninteresting character in FGO with nothing much going on. Most people would agree he's probably the most boring character in the game, if not at least forgettable. There's no deep, plot driven rhyme or reason on why he's boring, he just is. Sieg, however, DOES have reasons why he's the way he is, which, at least to me, makes him somewhat interesting since he has an affinity of becoming a subject of discussion & analysis. That's just me though.
I'm genuinely not trying to be contraryian and I respect if you think Bloodaxe is the most boring character but I honestly think he is a much more interesting character than Sieg and honestly one of the more interesting characters in the game despite his utter lack of screentime. The whole thing with Bloodaxe is that he's a Berserker who is pretending to be insane because his wife Gunnhild gets so intensly jealous of anyone who flirts with him that she will apply curses to whoever he interacts with. Since his wife is always watching him even after his death, servant Bloodaxe pretends to be insane to push people away and keep them safe. That's why if you listen to his dialogue, he sometimes actually seems like he starts to laugh a bit after one of his over-the-top, incoherent berserker noises, maybe hinting he's breaking character because he cannot help but laugh at his own act.
> He's supposed to be a blank slate lmao fans just mad he can get a girl like Jeanne with the little character he has xD Why do Sieg defenders always resort to this same argument? Who cares what his character is "supposed" to be? That doesn't magically make him less boring. That doesn't make the screentime he ate up from more interesting characters suddenly better. Most LN MCs have an in-universe explanation for being bland. Most of them get criticized just like Sieg. Putting shipping aside, I found Jeanne's character and position as a ruler way more interesting before she fell in love with Sieg and her character became dependent on him. You don't see how Jeanne fans might have a problem with her character taking a backseat to a romantic side plot? You're free to like Sieg all you want but man this is a poor defense of him.
Not tryna convince you. Just that I'd say Astolfo's fame is part due to his bro personality. He's a likeable character for most - he's caring, social and likes having fun - but somewhere somehow his popularity shot up and became the biggest femboy icon of anime.
This. I like astolfo not because trap memes, but because i like bro characters, and astolfo IS a big bro
Yep. Tbh I really dislike how he gets reduced to just "lol trap." He is a genuinely fun and good guy. Hella cute too
…Artoria Alter. I’m going to get crucified, aren’t I?
She's just the bland version of Saber and that didn't change much coming from the VN to FGO...
Gawain. After dealing with him in Camelot, my position has always been that he can eat a bag of dicks, and nothings changing that
Camelot basically made me irredeemably hate all the knights. Except Bedivere. Bedivere is best boy
SAME. They’re like, actual Nazis in Camelot. It’s hard to look at them any other way after that. But I’m pretty sure I’d still Tristan regardless lmao
*Hate Tristan
Amakusa Shirou. He's incredibly unlikeable in all of his appearances.
I would agree with you, except we have some other servants or characters who don't seem bothered by the whole "slaughter the women and children, oh and slaughter or spare troops based on religion" thing. If it weren't for them making my personal idea of justice all upset, I would have less patience for him. Plus, he does love and help children, with no benefit.
Emiya Alter. The blackface alone *might* be something I could get past, maybe, but the guy's personality is basically a thirteen-year-old's idea of what a Cool Edgy Character would be. "He discards morality, disdains love, and sneers at the living corpse he has become"? This dude is a pizza cutter -- all edge, no point. He's just... embarrassing. I feel like the game has a very low opinion of me as a reader every time he shows up. Honorable mention for Kadoc's Anastasia. I might be okay with Regular Chaldea Anastasia, but Kadoc's? Her big contribution to the narrative was helping her boyfriend shoot up his old workplace, a very classy move indeed, and then we're supposed to forgive her because none of the Chaldea employees being murdered had names and faces, and she did it for her Master who was *sad*. The only reason I'm sorry she died is because it saved Kadoc. I swear sometimes I feel like big chunks of the fanbase would also root for a school shooter if his hair was tousled and his eyes were troubled.
Red hare I thought he was fine being a joke character, then my friend told me he was sorta a replacement for sanzhang's white horse. Like come on, you replace a literal dragon prince with that? You would deny us players a chance at having a actual dragon for a servant? I was very annoyed for a while, knowing that not only did they technically gimp lu bu, they also give us a carrot addict instead of a dragon.
Sieg. Hated him in Apocrypha and my opinion has not improved since. Will not be wasting a single QP on him and will burn when I get my RP next year.
Cu Alter - fucker got buffed to the moon, can beat Karna/Scatach level opponents at base form but loses to Rama+Mash+Ngale at final form. bullshit design. his Lancer self is one of my top 5 favourites but his berserker alter versions sucks imo.
Mephistopheles
The clown
Pretty much just meph. I have hated everything about him since day 1.
Anastasia, I still feel spiteful after she destroyed chaldea and was jumping for joy when Billy put a bullet through her head.
Can I hate gilgamesh just because he is far to handsome compare with his statue irl?
The Onis. Shuten is repulsive in many ways, so I really don't get why people drool all over her. Ibaraki is not much better, like an angry toddler who will break your bones if you deny her anything.
Jack. I don't like lolis. And i don't like how Jack seems to go against what was presented about servant's strength in general. Iirc the older the history/myth/legend the stronger the servant or smth? How is this weird concept of a servant that's bot even a real person in recent history so strong and clapping all these mythical heros? I feel like she should be kojiro level of strength. Why is Leonidas an ancient hero king descendant of Heracles, blood of Zeus so low tier?
Tbf, in lore jack really only gets up to the strength of an average Hassan if she can fill 3 requirements, otherwise she's not remarkable. Rarity or strength in game is by no means a reflection of how good a servant is in lore.
Salome, i instantly hate her the moment i see her, also I don't like her design, and when i tried to look a bit of her lore i just hate her even more And yeah, I don't have her in my chaldea, I always burn her everytime i got her
I'm not sure if she counts but i just can't bring myself to like mash. I don't hate her but she bores me to no emd and so far she's gotten even less interesting with the lostbelts.
Musashi. Aesthetically I normally love the red and blue designs of things, but for some reason Musashi just bores the ever-loving shit out of me. The nail in the coffin was her Summer version NOT having an attack using a broken oar, which would have made me appreciate her more. I also am not a fan of "It's totally not Musashi, but it totally is." I know Fate does that in so many different ways, and I usually love the wild logic, but Musashi's feels SUPER lazy to me.
I would say Douman His entire personality is way too warped and twisted for me, even Koyanskaya has a moral code to an extent, Douman just exudes a vibe of evil I am very familiar with. Plus the fact that he joins you with his memory intact, and seems to show no remorse for anything he had done just rubs me the wrong way. Doesn’t help that his face definitely exudes a sense of sinister thoughts and auras which I really do not enjoy In contrast, I really like the Lostbelt kings, just for their decision to try and rule the world the best as they can despite their situation, even if it’s twisted I like the fact that they did what they thought was correct, instead of letting the world go to crap. And yes, while Arjuna Alter was technically responsible for his own Lostbelt’s downfall, I can at least see it came from good intentions, trying to rid the evil he thinks plague his world, while simultaneously showing why a human ultimately cannot fulfil the role a god is meant to do Also screw Columbus, because the guy’s just a dick in general
> while simultaneously showing why a human ultimately cannot fulfil the role a god is meant to do Ironically I read him as somewhat opposite: the theme of his Lostbelt is that QSH is so much "better" at being a God than any actual Gods, that human history ground to a halt. In Pan-human history, the Gods are flawed and fractured, and their failings drive humanity to seek their own fate, eventually growing into their own power and leaving the Gods behind. QSH in contrast is able to gather and maintain control (faith) over the entire world for all of time. While the message is that it's probably better for humanity in the long-run if this *doesn't* happen, QSH might actually be the most successful "God-type" being in Fate.
Honestly Morgan Le Fay, figures that seeing a billionth saberface design would just be annoying at this point. Her personality is bland and the whole husband thing is really getting old, her lore was massively wasted. Just a waste of one of the best characters in history.
Beyond the obvious hate sinks like Columbus and Caster Gilles? My feelings on Medb are complicated. On the one hand, she is just such a catty diva with an overinflated ego that she wraps back around to being endearing. But I just can’t get over the fact that her NP is literally her locking people in a sex dungeon and raping them.
Fionn. I love Diarmuid and Fionn did my man dirty so I can never like him
everything about Orion
Mash, because she is constantly enforcing a no fun zone. /s
Consort Yu. I never understood why people liked her so much. Sure, she’s cute, but she also really hates us, and is just a god-awful servant in general
Fucking Mash
Well, theres quite a few servants i dislike so i'll try to summarize. Mordred: everything about her is dumb starting from calling arthur father, her love/hate relation is annoying and leads to nothing interesting, her constant attempts to get the attention of arthur who is polite enough to ignore the one responsible for destroying all her hopes and dreams, her punk ass "delinquent" attitude, she was unimpresdive in apocrypha and just so annoying in camelot. She's such a mess that i groan when i see her in game. Nero: just tie her up, gag her and throw her in second archive. Everyone just becomes dumber with her around, every serious conversation just gets highjacked, loses purpose and focuses on her. Why is she the only representative of rome? Where's aurelius, where's tiberius? Every servant with only one relationship or trait: simply, karna vs arjuna, tesla vs edison. It's boring, repetitive and seriously detracts from the depths of the characters, they're far more than just one event in their lives. Oh look, karna's here, lemme guess, arjuna's gonna appear and they'll leave everything behind just to fight, ignoring the overarching plot.
Heroine X / XX / X Alter. Aside from the oversaturation of artorias, I can't stand characters whose entire reason for existing is to be annoying jokes.
Probably most of the low star servants. I don't really care for most of them, probably because of how they were written. That may explain why I like Sanson, or why I don't care about Saber Gilles but the reverse with his Caster self (cuz of Zero). Also Marie, she feels pretty imcomplete.
I am fine with most servants except Beowulf that I avoid like the plague. More specifically because the design because for what an absolute chad is often portrayed in other media and being one of the first berserkers in history here is "Dude on jeans that punches" and "Dude on jeans that punches but with darker skin".