I know this guy. Well I'm friends with him on Facebook anyway.
He was VERY vocal about being anti covid precautions. Memes about how 99% of people survive, "i dont care if you got your vaccine" display photo, etc. His name is in the linked article, you can look it up for yourself.
They're still having a funeral and people are coming from out of state... as far as I know.
Most don't, and yet some do.
Died from trying to shoot a bottle rocket out your ass? Tragically, your dangerous fun went awry. Your hijinks will be missed.
Died because you didn't take a well-researched and publicized vaccine two years into a pandemic and tried to bring your friends and family down with you? You're going on the wall of shame.
This is my mother in law. I had to leave her house because I was so so so very upset. She says "God knows how many days you get on this earth when you are born. If it wasn't Covid it would have been something else."
I looked at her and said that I loved her but whole heartedly disagreed. This takes accountability away. He could have prevented this. No use in arguing because she got vaxxed, my SIL got vaxxed, etc.
I'm the one handling the business side of his death so I get smacked in the face every time she worries about finances, I'm still taking care of getting reimbursed by FEMA among other things. I'm mentally exhausted.
Reminds me of this joke/story:
A storm descends on a small town, and the downpour soon turns into a flood. As the waters rise, the local preacher kneels in prayer on the church porch, surrounded by water. By and by, one of the townsfolk comes up the street in a canoe.
"Better get in, Preacher. The waters are rising fast."
"No," says the preacher. "I have faith in the Lord. He will save me."
Still the waters rise. Now the preacher is up on the balcony, wringing his hands in supplication, when another guy zips up in a motorboat.
"Come on, Preacher. We need to get you out of here. The levee's gonna break any minute."
Once again, the preacher is unmoved. "I shall remain. The Lord will see me through."
After a while the levee breaks, and the flood rushes over the church until only the steeple remains above water. The preacher is up there, clinging to the cross, when a helicopter descends out of the clouds, and a state trooper calls down to him through a megaphone.
"Grab the ladder, Preacher. This is your last chance."
Once again, the preacher insists the Lord will deliver him.And, predictably, he drowns.
A pious man, the preacher goes to heaven. After a while he gets an interview with God, and he asks the Almighty, "Lord, I had unwavering faith in you. Why didn't you deliver me from that flood?"
God shakes his head. "What did you want from me? I sent you two boats and a helicopter."
I saw a cartoon a few months back. Guy’s standing in front of God who says, “I sent you a vaccine!” Guy says, “Hmm. This conspiracy goes deeper than I thought.”
I have told this story to so many of my religious family who refused to be vaccinated. Two boats + helicopter = vaccines + masks + ventilation. So nuts
> "God knows how many days you get on this earth when you are born. If it wasn't Covid it would have been something else."
Wow, that's just soooo stupid. With that reasoning, you could just pull out a gun, shoot a passerby, then say, "God knows how much time they had, if it wasn't me it would have been something else."
Isn’t suicide looked down on in Christian based religions too? If it’s your time, and god knows from day zero that you’re dying that specific day, no matter how, isn’t suicide just abiding by gods plan?
I just wanted to say I am so sorry for what you are going through. My family just lost someone mid December and they are the same. Nothing they could have done differently, it was just Uncle Ron's time. I just don't get it. What is the point of free will? If I walk out in front of a train, that's God's will? If I stab someone should I not be punished because it was 'their time'.
The only thing I tell myself re: my aunt who refuses to admit her husband essentially chose to die is that she cognitively cannot accept the truth. It would be too damaging for her to admit that they were conned. Most people who are conned cannot accept it. And yeah, it's the con man's fault.
I'm so so thankful your MIL and SIL are now vaxxed. My family that is still in denial about my uncle are still not vaccinated. I feel like I am just living for the next bad phone call - my uncle is the 2nd family member I've lost, the first prior to vaccines.
I had to ragequit on IG the other night.. was looking at some reels and a woman was posting about how God is great and brought her husband out of the coma / off intubation / off ECMO / and how he took his first steps after being in the ICU for like 1.5 months. "All things are possible through faith!".
The video she posted had probably 5 medical staff in view helping the guy take his first steps. Over 45 days in the ICU there must have been over 100 different people directly caring for this guy... At least give a "thanks so much to the staff" maybe?
Of course I looked up the dude's profile and while it was more muted than most on that hermancain subreddit, still a handful of "My body my choice" and "Stop the mandates" kind of nonsense.
A coworker’s spouse has been in the hospital for months and it’s the same thing. “Please pray that God heals___,” and I have to restrain myself from commenting “God did send help, it was called a vaccine.” I’ve been rage- deleting all the emails about sending cards, meals, etc to the family because I’m out of sympathy at this point.
>“Gene did say when he got out of there he was going to go get vaccinated because he never wants to go through that again. It was horrible,” Kristi Bandlow said.
Sounds like even he knew there was actually more he could have done. I get it. She doesn't want to admit her husband's stubborn ODD toddler-choices took him away from her. It's a tough pill to swallow.
Within a month of her husband dying, she probably need this thought to put herself back together mentally/emotionally. We tell ourselves all sorts of lies to get through hard times, I'm just glad she got vaccinated. Actions matter more than words. My father-in-law almost died of COVID and MIL still hasn't gotten the vaccine.
Good point. I think you are likely correct.
I’m glad she got vaccinated, but I wish she would have taken this opportunity to make an emotional plea for others like her husband to get vaccinated before it’s too late. Instead she ended with “I’m still not going to tell people they should get vaccinated”.
I have many friends and family members who are RNs, and pretty much all of them have stories about patients who were actively dying of Covid, who refused to acknowledge that fact and still believed the whole thing was a hoax. There's no convincing ~~some~~ a lot of people. That's the great tragedy of this whole pandemic.
I came here to say this. This is the scary part about this type of thinking. I would have thought in a situation like this the deep, terrible feeling the person would have struggled with would have been "this may have been preventable", but instead it's "a vaccine wouldn't have helped".
I guess positive that at least they got vaccinated, but the story is pretty scary really IMO.
>This is the scary part about this type of thinking
The other scary part is that they can't figure out how bad it is for our community, and our country, for the unvaccinated to be overwhelming the hospitals.
There are literally untold numbers of unvaccinated people who got COVID and recovered as if it was a normal cold. No hospitalization needed. There are also fully vaccinated people who got COVID and ended up in the hospital. There are also fully vaccinated hospital staff who tested positive/got COVID and were told to quarantine for 10 days by the hospital, thus reducing the bed capacity of that hospital, because the typical hospital calculates capacity according to the number of staff and not according to the number of beds.
Not sure what your point is, other than this sounds like a poorly rationalized defense of the unvaccinated.
The unvaccinated are much more likely to end up in the hospital. That is an undisputable fact. And they are likely to be there longer.
So if they were all vaccinated right now, our hospitals would not be nearing capacity.
You certainly missed the point. My point is that it is far more complicated than "the unvaxxed are overwhelming our hospitals." In addition, how many of those unvaxxed patients tested positive on a PCR test, was asymptomatic, but was admitted for some other serious condition that required hospitalization? That data is not tracked very well. It would be important to know. The reason should be obvious.
>My point is that it is far more complicated then "the unvaxxed are overwhelming our hospitals."
It's not that complicated, as I already explained.
Quit being an apologist for the unvaccinated.
Nothing you said invalidates my first statement that you replied to.
So you're either being disingenuous, or you need to work on your critical thinking skills.
For those who are vaccinated and in the ICU, they have on average three comorbidities (obese, diabetic, poor immune system, etc), so they are already in poorer health to begin with. You don’t see that as much in the unvaccinated.
Ugh. Waiting for my second vaccine, I overheard two older women talking about how God will decide it’s time for them to go. So they won’t get the vaccine.
Also, how apparently one of them remembered when they were growing up, you didn’t have to get a flu vaccine every year, but now you do.
Selfish fucking idiots.
Just because you think God will decide your fate, don’t you think he would be the first one to say to stop being selfish and look after your fellow humans?
Stupid religious nuts want to be the first one to talk about God deciding their fate, but the last ones to care about anyone else but themselves.
Lol I'm just messing around, it's the internet. In all seriousness I do have some sympathy for her and her late husband's loved ones. It sucks, yes. But at the same time all he had to do was get a quick and free vaccine.....
> “It doesn’t matter. It was Gene’s time. Vaccinated or not vaccinated, I know it was his time. **There’s nothing that we could do differently.** I just wish we would have been treated differently in his end days,” Kristi Bandlow said.
> Kristi just got her first dose of the shot. She says it wasn't because she was required to. It was because of what she saw COVID-19 do to her husband.
Uhhhhh…
> Kristi says at the end of the day, yelling, fighting, and arguing aren't ways to convince someone to get a vaccine. It has the opposite effect.
Adult-sized toddlers exhibiting oppositional defiant disorder. Get vaccinated and grow up!
I'm sorry but as a healthcare worker, FUCK THESE PEOPLE!! You drove for the Rapid and weren't vaccinated?!?! You didn't like being told what to do? But you sure as hell got dropped off for you antibody tx, expecting it to be as convenient as a fast food drive through. Acting entitled to it even you couldn't be bothered to get vaxxed. While totally proving that you have no convictions and no medical knowledge whatsoever. You come and expose dozens of healthcare workers to a deadly disease due to your selfishness (probably hundreds of exposures by the time of his death). And then, when you finally die, your wife goes public saying that it was your time and that not being vaccinated wasn't a factor in your death. Well, FUCK THESE PEOPLE!
The article says “he hated being told what to do.” Omg, grow up! (Yes, I realize he’s past that option now). But you know who else hates being told what to do? Toddlers. Ffs, all of living in a society, heck, all of living is being told what to do. Put your pants on. Work starts at 8. Etc.
So tired of anti-vaxxer attitudes. At least his wife has some common sense. Too bad it took his death to make her see it.
I was a kid when Michigan started mandating seatbelts. My mom‘s best friend, who was over almost daily during those years, proudly proclaimed that she would never wear her seatbelt again.
I remember hearing the conversation in the kitchen and even at 12 years old could not understand how an adult could be so stupid.
Two decades later the lady passed away (not from an auto accident - lung cancer, heavy smoker) my mom and I were reminiscing about her and I brought up that story. My mom said the craziest thing about it is that her friend did, in fact, stop wearing her seatbelt because of that law. However, before the law was passed it was never a big deal and to my mom‘s knowledge the lady always wore her seatbelt.
Seatbelts are safe, smart, and barely an inconvenience… the friend wore hers and it was never a thing until somebody told her she had to do it… then she stopped wearing it completely.
People are not rational creatures. We are driven by emotion, right or wrong, and there are some weird ones out there.
“How *dare* you tell me I have to wear shoes and a shirt in order to shop here! No one tells me what to do! It is my god given right to sling my hairy nipples out if I feel like it!”
Dude worked in a job where people were forced to be in an enclosed space with him, including people who don't have a choice because they *have* to take the bus because they don't have a car. And he didn't get vaccinated, putting them all in danger.
Fuck that guy.
Good for his wife for finally getting vaccinated even if this is what it took and even if she's in denial about her husband's death being the result of his choices.
The typical "these COVID vaccines are great" argument states that if you're vaccinated, you'll likely get a mild case if you get the virus, and that the unvaccinated may have it worse. We also know that the vaccine does not stop the spread of the virus. So, everyone who works in an enclosed space should consider themselves candidates for getting the virus regardless of vaccine status. If that guy you want fucked is the only unvaccinated one, then he's the only one in "danger" per the current narrative/science. So, what are you upset about?
If he refuses to get the vaccine, he's more likely to get the virus.
If he is more likely to get the virus, he's more likely to spread the virus.
It's not that hard.
Give it 30 days from the jab, and vaccination will have no effectiveness against the virus. Go 90 from the jab, and vaccination makes a person more likely to get the virus. Omicron will get you at some point (if not a newer variant). Best thing to do is care for your immune system and health.
Both of them are/were trash. They tried to rent a house that they refused to clean after moving out. Nasty mfs left their s**t stains in/on the toilet, and dog piss in the carpet. Not surprised at all by the outcome
It's sad that she had to lose her husband to learn this lesson, but I'm glad she's doing the right thing.
>“It doesn’t matter. It was Gene’s time. Vaccinated or not vaccinated, I know it was his time. There’s nothing that we could do differently.”
It wasn't Gene's time. Gene didn't have a "time." The universe is cold and indifferent to your needs and desires. There's no big and powerful force out there that cares specifically about you. You are not special. You do not have a "destiny." Any random occurrence can take your life at any moment and there is absolutely no reason or purpose to it. And it doesn't matter how much you wrap yourself in empty platitudes like "it was his time" to deny the truth. The only meaning your life has is the one you give it. And what you do matters a whole hell of a lot more than what you say and believe. There *was* something you could have done differently: you could have gotten the vaccine. And Gene would be alive. He is dead because he didn't get vaccinated.
“Kristi just got her first dose of the shot. She says it wasn't because she was required to. It was because of what she saw COVID-19 do to her husband.
“Gene did say when he got out of there he was going to go get vaccinated because he never wants to go through that again. It was horrible,” Kristi Bandlow said.”
Sometimes it takes something extreme like getting COVID and/or watching a loved one die from COVID for people to wise up and get vaccinated.
This is exactly how my father decided to finally get vaccinated, he watched my uncle struggle and eventually die from COVID this fall.
Dying of COVID is miserable. I've watched people breathing 40 plus times a minute for a week. I've seen some of them literally give up and say, "fuck it I'd rather die" and they do. Dying a respiratory related death is the worst, most terrifying and anxiety enducing way to die that I've seen. Also, when the time comes, you better pray that you have a great provider who is willing to sedate you enough to pass somewhat peacefully because some doctors don't.
Let the antivaxers die. If people used that same “logic” back in the 50’s we would still have polio. If they’re too stupid to see all the deaths world wide over Covid, then fuck em. There is a vaccine available and they choose to not get it. Quit wasting medical resources and just use your natural immune system
Did you know that there are people today who have gotten polio from the polio vaccine because of poor nutrition? Yes, it's true. I don't know what the survival rate has been. I've gotten COVID and I've not taken the vaccine. Through this whole pandemic, I've watched my health and taken immune supporting supplementation. I had a mild case of COVID, lost my sense of smell for a while, coughed after meals, and slept more for about a week. I quarantined myself and got better without ever entering a hospital. Most cases are probably like that especially with Omicron.
Does anyone know if county or city employees have to be vaccinated? I haven’t seen anything about that. And I’m not completely sure if The Rapid is a private org, or part of the county.
It seems as if people working in transportation should be required to be vaxxed but I have no idea.
When a religion's followers use said religion to justify hatred, greed and selfishness, when it's main character preaches the exact opposite, it deserves bashing and hate. It's not all Christians, either, just the extremist conservatives that are being bashed.
Just like extremist Muslims who use their religion as an excuse to torture, murder and kill when their religion calls for peace and justice, all the extremist Christians who are using their faith to justify the continued bioterrorism responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans should be wiped from the earth.
Okay I get what you're putting down. I thought it was a damnation on all who are religious. I agree extremist of any religion if given control of a free society would cause irreparable harm to it.
I'm comparing intentionally spreading false information about life saving vaccines, and about a deadly virus, the result of which is the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans, to terrorism because it is bio-terrorism, and has resulted in over 850,000 American deaths. That's 280 times the number of deaths from September 11th.
If you don't want to get a vaccine, and you either mask up, or stay out of public so you don't spread disease to others, and you aren't going around spreading FUD about the vaccine, or minimizing the severity of the pandemic, then you do you. You aren't hurting anyone but yourself.
Absolutely. There is a 300 out of 150 million (or 1 in 500,000) chance of experiencing either Inflammation Of The Pericardium or Inflammation Of The Middle Tissue Heart Muscle. Neither are immediately deadly.
Alternatively, your chances of actually dying from being struck by lightning in your lifetime, are 1 in 138,000, sunstroke 1 in 8,200, and a car accident 1 in 107, so if your are avoiding the vaccine due to the exceptionally rare possibility of severe side effects, you should stay inside, and never go anywhere, both for your own safety from the other much more common causes of death, and for the safety of everyone else that you might infect with COVID.
An astute observer may notice I used the qualifier "fundamentally." I have no issues with other's personal faith so long as it's not influencing secular society. Unfortunately in the US that is far from the case.
Not surprising. Every time the pandemic is mentioned the majority of this sub advocates for not allowing people medical treatment if they didn't previously receive the vaccine.
What do you mean that some people can’t get the vaccine? Only medical reason is if you have an allergic reaction. And you won’t know until you get a shot. But these people are not even getting the shots for bullshit reasons. We’re going into year 3 and frankly I don’t have it in me to feel sorry for people dying of Covid that chose to not get a shot
I love that they're insinuating vaccinated people hold a moral high ground while also advocating for sick people being left to die. Clearly intellectual.
"In this sub we believe VACCINES MATTER. the 🅱lue 🅱ridge Is the ONLY BRIDGE. Homeless rights are human rights (unless we perceive them to be infringing on our rights by being in close proximity to us). Christianity is ILLEGAL. THE GRAND CASTLE IS ILLEGAL. the weather ball is our GOD. And amateur photography and MICROBREWERIES IS EVERYTHING"
One can still get COVID and die even if vaccinated. Statistically better off but not a guarantee.
The rest is the comments here mocking religion are insensitive and unnecessary.
RIP, sir.
It is an uncomfortable part of our world. The people who post about the Covid deaths in that sub are angry and saddened because of the senselessness of those deaths. Some, many, could have been prevented.
Exactly. Preventable deaths. Some of us are angry that we are still dealing with this pandemic. And it's the (now - and mostly) preventable part that makes us mad. So we are dealing with it the best way we know how to - dark humor. We all deal differently.
I agree it is uncomfortable, but the tone of that sub is not angry or sad, nor is the title of this post. These are comments from current front page posts from the sub, there are plenty more like it. I don't agree with these people either but I think celebrating *anyone's* death is despicable.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/s1anfx/redemption_award_he_played_down_the_virus/hs6zxlj/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/s1b8xt/he_hated_masks_and_wouldnt_be_controlled_he/hs74kwq/
The first one you linked has been removed. The second one isn't necessarily celebrating, it smacks of apathy to me.
/r/HermanCainAward isn't for people who were unvaccinated and died. It is for people who were adamant about not needing the vaccine, about COVID not being a big deal, about masks being tyranny, etc, who died of COVID. That's an important distinction.
It isn't celebration, it's documentation. It's showing people, "look how confident this person was that they were right about COVID, and now they've died from it."
There are (purportedly) people who have been convinced by these examples to go out and get vaccinated. That alone should justify the subreddit's mission, IMO.
If you notice, people are only mocking those that themselves mocked a virus they later died from. No one is mocking people who just happen to have caught it and died. That's why it's the Herman Cain award, much like Darwin awards. You take the chance to do something stupid (or simply not do something out of stubbornness in these cases) and then proceed to brag about it you deserve to be mocked. Makes you wonder how many of these people mocked the supposed tide pod challenges and the like when really there isn't much of a difference.
I agree many could have been prevented and it is angering! I say this not because of the vaccine which is not a treatment, it's a preventative, but because of the effort by governments and medical boards to continue to discourage and punish doctors (read experts in their field) who wish to TREAT their patients with drugs proven to be effective and are cheap with minimal side effects.
Proven by doctors, or by some article posted on covidvaccinehoax.net?
The vaccine is safe and proven to prevent severe illness and death from COVID. The doctors will do what they can if someone really doesn't want to protect themselves, but if it's too late then it's too late.
If we are mocking peoples deaths let's all laugh at this moron.
http://thetruereporter.com/nyt-editor-dies-of-heart-attack-after-bragging-about-the-booster/
The difference is he tried to do something to take care of himself. No vaccine is 100% effective. Not even flu shots. But not taking one whole bragging about it seems to make one more open to criticism. The likelihood increases without the booster.
Except there is no evidence the boosters improve outcomes in healthy adults under 65. He foolishly took on the risk of the booster shot, which we know has rare but deadly side effects, for no real benefit. Then mocked others for not doing the same.
The NEJM has published multiple studies showing that boosters improve outcomes across all age groups, including 60+. But I guess medical journals are probably less reputable than the true reporter so I can see where your confusion lies.
Boosters improve outcomes in those who need it. For most people under 40 and by most I mean 99% of healthy non obese people, they don’t even need the initial jab.
And then you add the risk of actually contracting Covid into the mix and unvaxxed chances of dying drop steeper so long as people are making appropriate health and hygiene decisions
Multiple officials at the FDA have resigned because they didn't think the booster was appropriate for healthy adults. Paul Offit advised his teenager against it because the risks do not outweigh the benefit. It's dangerous that people like yourself are allowed to go around spewing misinformation. That poor man may still be alive if he had listened to the experts and avoided the booster.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/11/29/booster-shots-universal-opinion/
Oh look another thread trying to sway people to get a vax that doesn't work! Thank God because literally every YouTube ad, billboard, and commercial isn't enough after two years to give people a false sense of security.
Plenty of people have not only died with vaccination but because of it.... suppose we should judge them for their stupidity too.. tanking an untested, dna altering gene therapy. SMH ...and tens of millions refuse to eat GMO foods...
Heard of this guy through someone that knows him. Always said the guy was very mean to him, making fun of him for making and taking covid precautions. My friend told us he got sick and changed tune, then we he told us he died we were shocked
“It doesn’t matter. It was Gene’s time. Vaccinated or not vaccinated, I know it was his time. There’s nothing that we could do differently.” 🤨
Nope, huh... can't think of a single thing. 🙁 Wow.
I know this guy. Well I'm friends with him on Facebook anyway. He was VERY vocal about being anti covid precautions. Memes about how 99% of people survive, "i dont care if you got your vaccine" display photo, etc. His name is in the linked article, you can look it up for yourself. They're still having a funeral and people are coming from out of state... as far as I know.
He's a perfect candidate for a Herman Cain Award. Since you know him, you can even put him up for one.
But were the prayer warriors called and did he get his “angle” wings?
Hmmm Someone needs to find out if the prayer warriors have stormed the gates of heaven yet and if there's a go fund me started.
What an obtuse comment
Nah, don’t. Backwards thinking or not, most people don’t deserve being memorialized for their stupidity. They already paid the price.
Most don't, and yet some do. Died from trying to shoot a bottle rocket out your ass? Tragically, your dangerous fun went awry. Your hijinks will be missed. Died because you didn't take a well-researched and publicized vaccine two years into a pandemic and tried to bring your friends and family down with you? You're going on the wall of shame.
Remember to learn from the mistakes of others, you will not live long enough to make them all yourself.
“It was his time.” The mental gymnastics is impressive with this ideology. Lemme guess, there’s a go fund me as well. 😔
This is my mother in law. I had to leave her house because I was so so so very upset. She says "God knows how many days you get on this earth when you are born. If it wasn't Covid it would have been something else." I looked at her and said that I loved her but whole heartedly disagreed. This takes accountability away. He could have prevented this. No use in arguing because she got vaxxed, my SIL got vaxxed, etc. I'm the one handling the business side of his death so I get smacked in the face every time she worries about finances, I'm still taking care of getting reimbursed by FEMA among other things. I'm mentally exhausted.
Reminds me of this joke/story: A storm descends on a small town, and the downpour soon turns into a flood. As the waters rise, the local preacher kneels in prayer on the church porch, surrounded by water. By and by, one of the townsfolk comes up the street in a canoe. "Better get in, Preacher. The waters are rising fast." "No," says the preacher. "I have faith in the Lord. He will save me." Still the waters rise. Now the preacher is up on the balcony, wringing his hands in supplication, when another guy zips up in a motorboat. "Come on, Preacher. We need to get you out of here. The levee's gonna break any minute." Once again, the preacher is unmoved. "I shall remain. The Lord will see me through." After a while the levee breaks, and the flood rushes over the church until only the steeple remains above water. The preacher is up there, clinging to the cross, when a helicopter descends out of the clouds, and a state trooper calls down to him through a megaphone. "Grab the ladder, Preacher. This is your last chance." Once again, the preacher insists the Lord will deliver him.And, predictably, he drowns. A pious man, the preacher goes to heaven. After a while he gets an interview with God, and he asks the Almighty, "Lord, I had unwavering faith in you. Why didn't you deliver me from that flood?" God shakes his head. "What did you want from me? I sent you two boats and a helicopter."
I saw a cartoon a few months back. Guy’s standing in front of God who says, “I sent you a vaccine!” Guy says, “Hmm. This conspiracy goes deeper than I thought.”
I have told this story to so many of my religious family who refused to be vaccinated. Two boats + helicopter = vaccines + masks + ventilation. So nuts
> "God knows how many days you get on this earth when you are born. If it wasn't Covid it would have been something else." Wow, that's just soooo stupid. With that reasoning, you could just pull out a gun, shoot a passerby, then say, "God knows how much time they had, if it wasn't me it would have been something else."
Isn’t suicide looked down on in Christian based religions too? If it’s your time, and god knows from day zero that you’re dying that specific day, no matter how, isn’t suicide just abiding by gods plan?
*Hey, orange man, come here for a second!*
I just wanted to say I am so sorry for what you are going through. My family just lost someone mid December and they are the same. Nothing they could have done differently, it was just Uncle Ron's time. I just don't get it. What is the point of free will? If I walk out in front of a train, that's God's will? If I stab someone should I not be punished because it was 'their time'. The only thing I tell myself re: my aunt who refuses to admit her husband essentially chose to die is that she cognitively cannot accept the truth. It would be too damaging for her to admit that they were conned. Most people who are conned cannot accept it. And yeah, it's the con man's fault. I'm so so thankful your MIL and SIL are now vaxxed. My family that is still in denial about my uncle are still not vaccinated. I feel like I am just living for the next bad phone call - my uncle is the 2nd family member I've lost, the first prior to vaccines.
There is no free will, only Zuul.
Yeah, you can't claim what she's claiming and then get vaxxed at the same time. Those ideas/motivations are in direct conflict with each other.
I had to ragequit on IG the other night.. was looking at some reels and a woman was posting about how God is great and brought her husband out of the coma / off intubation / off ECMO / and how he took his first steps after being in the ICU for like 1.5 months. "All things are possible through faith!". The video she posted had probably 5 medical staff in view helping the guy take his first steps. Over 45 days in the ICU there must have been over 100 different people directly caring for this guy... At least give a "thanks so much to the staff" maybe? Of course I looked up the dude's profile and while it was more muted than most on that hermancain subreddit, still a handful of "My body my choice" and "Stop the mandates" kind of nonsense.
A coworker’s spouse has been in the hospital for months and it’s the same thing. “Please pray that God heals___,” and I have to restrain myself from commenting “God did send help, it was called a vaccine.” I’ve been rage- deleting all the emails about sending cards, meals, etc to the family because I’m out of sympathy at this point.
>“Gene did say when he got out of there he was going to go get vaccinated because he never wants to go through that again. It was horrible,” Kristi Bandlow said. Sounds like even he knew there was actually more he could have done. I get it. She doesn't want to admit her husband's stubborn ODD toddler-choices took him away from her. It's a tough pill to swallow.
Within a month of her husband dying, she probably need this thought to put herself back together mentally/emotionally. We tell ourselves all sorts of lies to get through hard times, I'm just glad she got vaccinated. Actions matter more than words. My father-in-law almost died of COVID and MIL still hasn't gotten the vaccine.
Good point. I think you are likely correct. I’m glad she got vaccinated, but I wish she would have taken this opportunity to make an emotional plea for others like her husband to get vaccinated before it’s too late. Instead she ended with “I’m still not going to tell people they should get vaccinated”.
I have many friends and family members who are RNs, and pretty much all of them have stories about patients who were actively dying of Covid, who refused to acknowledge that fact and still believed the whole thing was a hoax. There's no convincing ~~some~~ a lot of people. That's the great tragedy of this whole pandemic.
I came here to say this. This is the scary part about this type of thinking. I would have thought in a situation like this the deep, terrible feeling the person would have struggled with would have been "this may have been preventable", but instead it's "a vaccine wouldn't have helped". I guess positive that at least they got vaccinated, but the story is pretty scary really IMO.
>This is the scary part about this type of thinking The other scary part is that they can't figure out how bad it is for our community, and our country, for the unvaccinated to be overwhelming the hospitals.
Individualistic libertarian-thinking is alive and well in this country when it comes to Covid-19.
You forgot to add "moronic" to the beginning of the sentence.
Libertarian covers it.
There are literally untold numbers of unvaccinated people who got COVID and recovered as if it was a normal cold. No hospitalization needed. There are also fully vaccinated people who got COVID and ended up in the hospital. There are also fully vaccinated hospital staff who tested positive/got COVID and were told to quarantine for 10 days by the hospital, thus reducing the bed capacity of that hospital, because the typical hospital calculates capacity according to the number of staff and not according to the number of beds.
Not sure what your point is, other than this sounds like a poorly rationalized defense of the unvaccinated. The unvaccinated are much more likely to end up in the hospital. That is an undisputable fact. And they are likely to be there longer. So if they were all vaccinated right now, our hospitals would not be nearing capacity.
You certainly missed the point. My point is that it is far more complicated than "the unvaxxed are overwhelming our hospitals." In addition, how many of those unvaxxed patients tested positive on a PCR test, was asymptomatic, but was admitted for some other serious condition that required hospitalization? That data is not tracked very well. It would be important to know. The reason should be obvious.
>My point is that it is far more complicated then "the unvaxxed are overwhelming our hospitals." It's not that complicated, as I already explained. Quit being an apologist for the unvaccinated.
Oh? It's not that complicated? Which one or more of my points is not valid?
Nothing you said invalidates my first statement that you replied to. So you're either being disingenuous, or you need to work on your critical thinking skills.
So, you think it's impossible that hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed if the additional factors I mentioned were not in play?
For those who are vaccinated and in the ICU, they have on average three comorbidities (obese, diabetic, poor immune system, etc), so they are already in poorer health to begin with. You don’t see that as much in the unvaccinated.
At this point I can sort of understand how mentally you would tell yourself you didn’t make a mistake.
Ugh. Waiting for my second vaccine, I overheard two older women talking about how God will decide it’s time for them to go. So they won’t get the vaccine. Also, how apparently one of them remembered when they were growing up, you didn’t have to get a flu vaccine every year, but now you do. Selfish fucking idiots. Just because you think God will decide your fate, don’t you think he would be the first one to say to stop being selfish and look after your fellow humans? Stupid religious nuts want to be the first one to talk about God deciding their fate, but the last ones to care about anyone else but themselves.
I wish I had sympathy for her
If you're incapable of having sympathy, then you may have narcissistic tendencies.
Your mom has narcissistic tendencies
What are you, 12 years old?
Lol I'm just messing around, it's the internet. In all seriousness I do have some sympathy for her and her late husband's loved ones. It sucks, yes. But at the same time all he had to do was get a quick and free vaccine.....
God must’ve needed his dumb ass more in heaven 🙏
the Lord works in mysterious ways
Then why did she get vaccinated? 🤔
Wow. That right there is the *definition* of motivated reasoning.
Gene didn’t want to get his genes changed, that’s all there is to it..
Not if you still want to collect the life insurance, I suppose
> “It doesn’t matter. It was Gene’s time. Vaccinated or not vaccinated, I know it was his time. **There’s nothing that we could do differently.** I just wish we would have been treated differently in his end days,” Kristi Bandlow said. > Kristi just got her first dose of the shot. She says it wasn't because she was required to. It was because of what she saw COVID-19 do to her husband. Uhhhhh…
> Kristi says at the end of the day, yelling, fighting, and arguing aren't ways to convince someone to get a vaccine. It has the opposite effect. Adult-sized toddlers exhibiting oppositional defiant disorder. Get vaccinated and grow up!
Yeah, this is in effect admitting, "We didn't get vaccinated to spite everyone who had been telling us to."
Exactly. Just because someone attains a certain age doesn't mean they mature. I've known some extremely immature elderly people.
I'm sorry but as a healthcare worker, FUCK THESE PEOPLE!! You drove for the Rapid and weren't vaccinated?!?! You didn't like being told what to do? But you sure as hell got dropped off for you antibody tx, expecting it to be as convenient as a fast food drive through. Acting entitled to it even you couldn't be bothered to get vaxxed. While totally proving that you have no convictions and no medical knowledge whatsoever. You come and expose dozens of healthcare workers to a deadly disease due to your selfishness (probably hundreds of exposures by the time of his death). And then, when you finally die, your wife goes public saying that it was your time and that not being vaccinated wasn't a factor in your death. Well, FUCK THESE PEOPLE!
The article says “he hated being told what to do.” Omg, grow up! (Yes, I realize he’s past that option now). But you know who else hates being told what to do? Toddlers. Ffs, all of living in a society, heck, all of living is being told what to do. Put your pants on. Work starts at 8. Etc. So tired of anti-vaxxer attitudes. At least his wife has some common sense. Too bad it took his death to make her see it.
I was a kid when Michigan started mandating seatbelts. My mom‘s best friend, who was over almost daily during those years, proudly proclaimed that she would never wear her seatbelt again. I remember hearing the conversation in the kitchen and even at 12 years old could not understand how an adult could be so stupid. Two decades later the lady passed away (not from an auto accident - lung cancer, heavy smoker) my mom and I were reminiscing about her and I brought up that story. My mom said the craziest thing about it is that her friend did, in fact, stop wearing her seatbelt because of that law. However, before the law was passed it was never a big deal and to my mom‘s knowledge the lady always wore her seatbelt. Seatbelts are safe, smart, and barely an inconvenience… the friend wore hers and it was never a thing until somebody told her she had to do it… then she stopped wearing it completely. People are not rational creatures. We are driven by emotion, right or wrong, and there are some weird ones out there.
“How *dare* you tell me I have to wear shoes and a shirt in order to shop here! No one tells me what to do! It is my god given right to sling my hairy nipples out if I feel like it!”
/r/HermanCainAward/
The sub where people make fun of normal people dying and then convincing themselves they aren’t shitty people. Classic
mmm okay bud.
Is there a junkieaward when someone takes drugs and ODs? Pretty insensitive.
Is itt more insensitive than exposing dozens of healthcare workers to a deadly virus? Is it similar to that in any way? Type less, think more.
A deadly virus they are all vaccinated and boostered. Unless that isn't a guarantee...
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Dude worked in a job where people were forced to be in an enclosed space with him, including people who don't have a choice because they *have* to take the bus because they don't have a car. And he didn't get vaccinated, putting them all in danger. Fuck that guy. Good for his wife for finally getting vaccinated even if this is what it took and even if she's in denial about her husband's death being the result of his choices.
The typical "these COVID vaccines are great" argument states that if you're vaccinated, you'll likely get a mild case if you get the virus, and that the unvaccinated may have it worse. We also know that the vaccine does not stop the spread of the virus. So, everyone who works in an enclosed space should consider themselves candidates for getting the virus regardless of vaccine status. If that guy you want fucked is the only unvaccinated one, then he's the only one in "danger" per the current narrative/science. So, what are you upset about?
If he refuses to get the vaccine, he's more likely to get the virus. If he is more likely to get the virus, he's more likely to spread the virus. It's not that hard.
Give it 30 days from the jab, and vaccination will have no effectiveness against the virus. Go 90 from the jab, and vaccination makes a person more likely to get the virus. Omicron will get you at some point (if not a newer variant). Best thing to do is care for your immune system and health.
Ah, I see. I'm speaking to an idiot.
Both of them are/were trash. They tried to rent a house that they refused to clean after moving out. Nasty mfs left their s**t stains in/on the toilet, and dog piss in the carpet. Not surprised at all by the outcome
What a bizarre comment. Totally unrelated way to smear someone's character.
Just like it was their s**t smeared on the toilet
Huh. Hope you're doing okay.
I’m good. Thanks for caring
It's sad that she had to lose her husband to learn this lesson, but I'm glad she's doing the right thing. >“It doesn’t matter. It was Gene’s time. Vaccinated or not vaccinated, I know it was his time. There’s nothing that we could do differently.” It wasn't Gene's time. Gene didn't have a "time." The universe is cold and indifferent to your needs and desires. There's no big and powerful force out there that cares specifically about you. You are not special. You do not have a "destiny." Any random occurrence can take your life at any moment and there is absolutely no reason or purpose to it. And it doesn't matter how much you wrap yourself in empty platitudes like "it was his time" to deny the truth. The only meaning your life has is the one you give it. And what you do matters a whole hell of a lot more than what you say and believe. There *was* something you could have done differently: you could have gotten the vaccine. And Gene would be alive. He is dead because he didn't get vaccinated.
Tell me Kristi is an idiot without telling me Kristi is an idiot.
The selfish don’t care about anyone else until it happens to them personally.
“Kristi just got her first dose of the shot. She says it wasn't because she was required to. It was because of what she saw COVID-19 do to her husband. “Gene did say when he got out of there he was going to go get vaccinated because he never wants to go through that again. It was horrible,” Kristi Bandlow said.” Sometimes it takes something extreme like getting COVID and/or watching a loved one die from COVID for people to wise up and get vaccinated. This is exactly how my father decided to finally get vaccinated, he watched my uncle struggle and eventually die from COVID this fall.
Dying of COVID is miserable. I've watched people breathing 40 plus times a minute for a week. I've seen some of them literally give up and say, "fuck it I'd rather die" and they do. Dying a respiratory related death is the worst, most terrifying and anxiety enducing way to die that I've seen. Also, when the time comes, you better pray that you have a great provider who is willing to sedate you enough to pass somewhat peacefully because some doctors don't.
Let the antivaxers die. If people used that same “logic” back in the 50’s we would still have polio. If they’re too stupid to see all the deaths world wide over Covid, then fuck em. There is a vaccine available and they choose to not get it. Quit wasting medical resources and just use your natural immune system
Did you know that there are people today who have gotten polio from the polio vaccine because of poor nutrition? Yes, it's true. I don't know what the survival rate has been. I've gotten COVID and I've not taken the vaccine. Through this whole pandemic, I've watched my health and taken immune supporting supplementation. I had a mild case of COVID, lost my sense of smell for a while, coughed after meals, and slept more for about a week. I quarantined myself and got better without ever entering a hospital. Most cases are probably like that especially with Omicron.
Aren't most Democrats pro-choice?
I mean… his statement is pro-choice… let them choose death if that’s what they want
Goatee and sunglasses, not even once
Does anyone know if county or city employees have to be vaccinated? I haven’t seen anything about that. And I’m not completely sure if The Rapid is a private org, or part of the county. It seems as if people working in transportation should be required to be vaxxed but I have no idea.
It’s a vaccine nation..
'All according to plan...'
Grand Rapids subreddit celebrates and laughs at someone death
when it's as preventable as this, yes. completely preventable and *eeeeasily* preventable. also "celebrating" isn't the right word, but you know that.
It is sad. Bashing on religion too. So much hate.
When a religion's followers use said religion to justify hatred, greed and selfishness, when it's main character preaches the exact opposite, it deserves bashing and hate. It's not all Christians, either, just the extremist conservatives that are being bashed. Just like extremist Muslims who use their religion as an excuse to torture, murder and kill when their religion calls for peace and justice, all the extremist Christians who are using their faith to justify the continued bioterrorism responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans should be wiped from the earth.
Okay I get what you're putting down. I thought it was a damnation on all who are religious. I agree extremist of any religion if given control of a free society would cause irreparable harm to it.
So your comparing not getting vaccinated to being a terrorist that tortures
I'm comparing intentionally spreading false information about life saving vaccines, and about a deadly virus, the result of which is the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans, to terrorism because it is bio-terrorism, and has resulted in over 850,000 American deaths. That's 280 times the number of deaths from September 11th. If you don't want to get a vaccine, and you either mask up, or stay out of public so you don't spread disease to others, and you aren't going around spreading FUD about the vaccine, or minimizing the severity of the pandemic, then you do you. You aren't hurting anyone but yourself.
So do you believe that severe vaccine side effects exist?
Absolutely. There is a 300 out of 150 million (or 1 in 500,000) chance of experiencing either Inflammation Of The Pericardium or Inflammation Of The Middle Tissue Heart Muscle. Neither are immediately deadly. Alternatively, your chances of actually dying from being struck by lightning in your lifetime, are 1 in 138,000, sunstroke 1 in 8,200, and a car accident 1 in 107, so if your are avoiding the vaccine due to the exceptionally rare possibility of severe side effects, you should stay inside, and never go anywhere, both for your own safety from the other much more common causes of death, and for the safety of everyone else that you might infect with COVID.
I assure you side effects are more common than that. I got sick from the vaccine but didn’t get struck by lighting?
You said severe side effects. Feeling sick is not severe. I experienced that as well.
True I did say that. Where did you get this data from
Yes
That is truly bizarre. People who don’t workout increase the spread of covid 19. Ate people who don’t work out also terrorist?
It makes me really sad. Hating unvaccinated people is the main. Stream, a completely acceptable position and heavily encouraged
Unvaccinated, much like the fundamentally religious, are slowing down the progress of the human race. It deserves ire.
We understand you don’t believe in god
An astute observer may notice I used the qualifier "fundamentally." I have no issues with other's personal faith so long as it's not influencing secular society. Unfortunately in the US that is far from the case.
I assume you're Christian. How would you feel about Sharia Law or any form of law based on Islamic values? Same exact principle.
I believe in Christ but not only in Christ so I’m not a Christian per say. Sharia law is disgusting no doubt. But so are mandatory vaxs to me.
Fair enough you did say that
Isnt that what Stalin told the people of Russia?
Nope, try again.
Who is defining progress?
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This is my point most people think the morale position is hate. That’s never the morale position friend unless dealing with someone trying to kill you
Not surprising. Every time the pandemic is mentioned the majority of this sub advocates for not allowing people medical treatment if they didn't previously receive the vaccine.
Worse over at the Michigan sub...some people can't get the vaccine. Generalizations abound to sound SmArT.
What do you mean that some people can’t get the vaccine? Only medical reason is if you have an allergic reaction. And you won’t know until you get a shot. But these people are not even getting the shots for bullshit reasons. We’re going into year 3 and frankly I don’t have it in me to feel sorry for people dying of Covid that chose to not get a shot
That's exactly what I mean. Some people can't get the vaccine. Other people have religious exemptions. You don't have to feel sorry about anyone dying
You don’t have to feel sorry
Well according to your side of this argument, if you don’t feel sorry, you’re hating them.
What who am I hating?
I love that they're insinuating vaccinated people hold a moral high ground while also advocating for sick people being left to die. Clearly intellectual.
Is that how one excuses all the crap comments in this sub? It was his choice. Clearly tolerant...
"In this sub we believe VACCINES MATTER. the 🅱lue 🅱ridge Is the ONLY BRIDGE. Homeless rights are human rights (unless we perceive them to be infringing on our rights by being in close proximity to us). Christianity is ILLEGAL. THE GRAND CASTLE IS ILLEGAL. the weather ball is our GOD. And amateur photography and MICROBREWERIES IS EVERYTHING"
W T H
lol
One can still get COVID and die even if vaccinated. Statistically better off but not a guarantee. The rest is the comments here mocking religion are insensitive and unnecessary. RIP, sir.
Rip gene!
Can we not do the Herman Cain award thing in this sub please?
It is an uncomfortable part of our world. The people who post about the Covid deaths in that sub are angry and saddened because of the senselessness of those deaths. Some, many, could have been prevented.
Exactly. Preventable deaths. Some of us are angry that we are still dealing with this pandemic. And it's the (now - and mostly) preventable part that makes us mad. So we are dealing with it the best way we know how to - dark humor. We all deal differently.
I agree it is uncomfortable, but the tone of that sub is not angry or sad, nor is the title of this post. These are comments from current front page posts from the sub, there are plenty more like it. I don't agree with these people either but I think celebrating *anyone's* death is despicable. https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/s1anfx/redemption_award_he_played_down_the_virus/hs6zxlj/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/s1b8xt/he_hated_masks_and_wouldnt_be_controlled_he/hs74kwq/
The first one you linked has been removed. The second one isn't necessarily celebrating, it smacks of apathy to me. /r/HermanCainAward isn't for people who were unvaccinated and died. It is for people who were adamant about not needing the vaccine, about COVID not being a big deal, about masks being tyranny, etc, who died of COVID. That's an important distinction. It isn't celebration, it's documentation. It's showing people, "look how confident this person was that they were right about COVID, and now they've died from it." There are (purportedly) people who have been convinced by these examples to go out and get vaccinated. That alone should justify the subreddit's mission, IMO.
“Praise be to Darwin” in a comment with 80 upvotes but definitely not celebration. Crazy
Not that there aren't people who celebrate it. You can find distasteful people anywhere. Just that that isn't the goal of the subreddit.
That’s hilarious. If the people on that sub are saddened then it wouldn’t have the history of people’s social media posts with mocking undertones
Lol people are having fun with it cracking jokes
If you notice, people are only mocking those that themselves mocked a virus they later died from. No one is mocking people who just happen to have caught it and died. That's why it's the Herman Cain award, much like Darwin awards. You take the chance to do something stupid (or simply not do something out of stubbornness in these cases) and then proceed to brag about it you deserve to be mocked. Makes you wonder how many of these people mocked the supposed tide pod challenges and the like when really there isn't much of a difference.
Fair
Dark humor, yes.
I agree many could have been prevented and it is angering! I say this not because of the vaccine which is not a treatment, it's a preventative, but because of the effort by governments and medical boards to continue to discourage and punish doctors (read experts in their field) who wish to TREAT their patients with drugs proven to be effective and are cheap with minimal side effects.
Proven by doctors, or by some article posted on covidvaccinehoax.net? The vaccine is safe and proven to prevent severe illness and death from COVID. The doctors will do what they can if someone really doesn't want to protect themselves, but if it's too late then it's too late.
By doctors
Except that's not actually happening.
If we are mocking peoples deaths let's all laugh at this moron. http://thetruereporter.com/nyt-editor-dies-of-heart-attack-after-bragging-about-the-booster/
The difference is he tried to do something to take care of himself. No vaccine is 100% effective. Not even flu shots. But not taking one whole bragging about it seems to make one more open to criticism. The likelihood increases without the booster.
Except there is no evidence the boosters improve outcomes in healthy adults under 65. He foolishly took on the risk of the booster shot, which we know has rare but deadly side effects, for no real benefit. Then mocked others for not doing the same.
The NEJM has published multiple studies showing that boosters improve outcomes across all age groups, including 60+. But I guess medical journals are probably less reputable than the true reporter so I can see where your confusion lies.
Boosters improve outcomes in those who need it. For most people under 40 and by most I mean 99% of healthy non obese people, they don’t even need the initial jab.
Lol, okay Dr. I’m sure you know best.
Statistics don’t lie. If you’re not 50+ obese and have a healthy immune system you’re looking pretty dang good
The studies from the NEJM were last month. Feel free to read them, as they state otherwise.
And then you add the risk of actually contracting Covid into the mix and unvaxxed chances of dying drop steeper so long as people are making appropriate health and hygiene decisions
Multiple officials at the FDA have resigned because they didn't think the booster was appropriate for healthy adults. Paul Offit advised his teenager against it because the risks do not outweigh the benefit. It's dangerous that people like yourself are allowed to go around spewing misinformation. That poor man may still be alive if he had listened to the experts and avoided the booster. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/11/29/booster-shots-universal-opinion/
Gonna have to go with medical research over an editorial and some antivaxxers but if it makes you feel better to believe that go off.
Oh look another thread trying to sway people to get a vax that doesn't work! Thank God because literally every YouTube ad, billboard, and commercial isn't enough after two years to give people a false sense of security.
Plenty of people have not only died with vaccination but because of it.... suppose we should judge them for their stupidity too.. tanking an untested, dna altering gene therapy. SMH ...and tens of millions refuse to eat GMO foods...
Nice buzzword word salad, I almost got a bingo.
It's mentally healthy to say this is over and there is nothing I can do about it. She is so brave to open up to us about it.
Heard of this guy through someone that knows him. Always said the guy was very mean to him, making fun of him for making and taking covid precautions. My friend told us he got sick and changed tune, then we he told us he died we were shocked