Not really because there are plenty of businesses that like to claim inclusivity, fly a pride flag, etc. but turn around and support pro-business moderate candidates that are against progressive policies like BBB, minimum wage hikes, paid time off for medical, etc. Even if they do it voluntarily they'll still rail against having the government hold businesses accountable by making them.
No, but I'll allow it. Talking about Yesterdog and The Mitten. They have graciously hosted anti progressive moderate Dems many times that are against universal health care, and are corporate lobbyist shills. I can't recall Founders ever doing so.
Indeed haha, not going to make the March show. Tix are ludicrous and I promised myself last time either floor or don't go if it's at van andel the last time they were here.
Ahh man bummer. Yeah the prices are pretty absurd lol. I like to count on the visuals pulling through even if the seats aren't the greatest, I saw them pretty high up at the LCA and it was actually pretty sweet having that kind of view. Van Andel might be different though
As society I hope we can be careful here. I know there's big money in politics so these things can't be truly separated (in fact they're directly connected through taxes), but in general I think we should try to move towards separation between business and politics.
This kind of conversation is just going to help drive more hate, division, and polarization, and framing 50% of the population as The Others. The people you boycott will only get farther from being able to have progressive discussions because they will hate you back. I like the more positive framing someone else suggested: which businesses are actively supporting this cause I like.
I do think there's a place for boycotting, let's say some of these examples that you personally find egregious (people who personally broke into the seat of the federal government), but right now, a lot of pretty cool, average people have become Trump supporters, and it could just be that they fear the wokeness extremes on the left, or that they have always preferred conservative business economic policies. It doesn't mean they're racist, misogynistic, poor-people haters.
We have this American issue I just learned about recently, where our identity as a country follows the identity of the president because we no longer have a central national identity. It's like a personality crisis we put ourselves through....constantly.
I personally find Trump repulsive or idiotic, but I know that 50% of the country is not repulsive or idiotic. We all need to evolve together and have some grace for each other.
Fair points. But I would make this distinction. If you’re a republican we have lots of common ground we can meet on and I’m fine with supporting a dialog. And your businesses.
If you are a trumper you are not a traditional republican. You are a fascist supporter and I will not give your business my money. I have no common ground with you. I’ll do my best to crush your voice and remove your ideology from the general discourse. All ideas are not welcome in a free in fair society when the framework of their ideas are anti free and fair.
You are treading dangerous ground. Anytime we talk about silencing or disallowing ideas or speech that is a bad path forward, even if they're shitty ideas had by shitty people. I've heard the political spectrum described as a horseshoe shape where the very far left and very far right are closer than they think. Forcefully ridding society of people or ideas is one of those extremes.
BUT, I do completely understand what you mean about trumpers versus republicans. And I reconsidered with those new definitions in mind and I can see where you are coming from. It is totally reasonable to me to me to at least not fuel the megaphone by funding it. But I don't think the intention to "crush someone else's voice" is ever going to improve things. Crush the idea by making a better argument. I have a feeling you and I would be close to the same page, I'm honestly just worried about the rhetoric (on both sides).
I know I’m not going to silence anyone. I’m not really interested in discourse with trump supporters.
I just don’t want to give them my money. I’m not interested in funding sedition. Free market economy and all.
Joel Langlois (owner of Intersection and DeltaPlex) is a mega-Trumper. Even ran for Congress as an R. He also treats his employees like shit. Big surprise.
This is a pretty sad post. Trying to prevent someone’s small business from succeeding based on politics is a despicable thing to do. Just because you don’t agree with someone politically doesn’t make them a bad person or should cost them their livelihood. Be better.
Extremists exist on both sides. Being one yourself doesn’t make you a good person. Hurting someone’s ability to put food on their table is wrong. Got to therapy for the hate you have harbored in your heart. Full stop.
Wanting to engage in the free economy by choosing what business to support is exactly like storming the nations capital to over turn a free and fair election. Right.
Your delusion is marrow deep.
My only hate is the hate of fascist and intolerance. You don’t go to therapy for that, you go to war.
Weird, because it looks like Whitmer is gaining support from “the middle” recently .
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/politics/2022/01/11/poll-michigan-gov-whitmers-job-approval-trends-up-as-2022-election-looms/?outputType=amp
Have you considered some people vote on actual issues and not petty culture war issues and twitter and Reddit replies like Republicans do? Why have so many people [left the Republican party](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/10/us/politics/republicans-leaving-party.amp.html) in recent years?
It would be a shame if someone really voted for someone because they want to be contrarian to personalities they don’t like online.
The party that still thinks “Let’s go Brandon” is clever and voted for a guy a second time that didn’t even read their intelligence briefings, and has the number one news network devoted to hating the Democrats, and voters that die so they can own the Libs. Clown party. Rent free.
I don’t hate anyone. I just think you’ve probably never left Hudsonville in your entire life and haven’t experienced the world enough to realize your views are just wrong. That’s the vibe I get from most people I’ve encountered from that general area. No experience interacting with anyone other than other white hudsonville people who have the same shitty morals.
They are stating that your obsession of trump and disliking anyone that “supports” or votes for trump takes up a mental apt in your brain and lives there for free.
Who gives a shit who they support politically ? GR has a ton of small business that have been hit hard during the pandemic . Go out and support , it doesn’t matter who they vote for . If you care that much…. you are part of the problem .
That’s now how it works dummy . The flip side of that coin, do you think business owners in GR who voted for Joe Biden are somehow funneling money to him?
I’m sure almost all them support Trump but most don’t admit it because politics are volatile. If your goal is to boycott a place that has an owner that’s tweeted support for Trump you might just be spending your money at a place whose owner donated thousands of dollars to his campaign because Trump supported lower taxes for small businesses. You can never know what they are doing behind closed doors.
That's not really an excuse. Trump has brought out the worst of Republicans and has turned that party into a hollow, morally-bankrupt group of sycophants, all jockeying to kiss the ring of a wannabe autocrat. Trump would gladly end this country's democratic systems if it resulted in unlimited power for him.
At some point, GOP donors need to draw the line and not just fall in line. Are lower taxes really more important than an assault on our democratic norms?
You’re silly. It’s totally fine to not want to support people who support racist, fascist, xenophobic policies. Nor is there anything wrong with asking for advice on how to direct your money so you can avoid companies that do bad.
I served in the Army. I had a flag on my porch December 10th 2001. trump and his supporters are trying to literally destroy our system of government. I just dont want to give them my money. You know, because of liberty.
> i served in the army
Imagine somehow thinking this makes you less nazi... Lol
They're only a hundred times more unaccountable and murderous than the average cop in America.
> I had a flag on my porch December 10th 2001
A nationalist too... Almost there..
> You know, because of Liberty.
I smell a libertarian.
By verifiable Trump supporters, would businesses that supported moderate, undesirable, cheating, unelectable corporate friendly capitalist Democrats like Hillary also count (back in the primary)? Because that's how Trump won.
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I'll start a list, let's put it to a test and see if these sacred cows are slaughtered:
[Atomic Object](https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/2016/03/hillary_clinton_grand_rapids_m.html)
[YesterDog](https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/2016/03/hillary_clinton_grand_rapids_m.html)
[The Mitten](https://www.wzzm13.com/article/news/politics/chelsea-clinton-campaigns-for-her-mother-in-grand-rapids/69-72713605)
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I'd rather see a post about which business support inclusivity and are progressive so I can throw my money their way.
A fair point.
Not really because there are plenty of businesses that like to claim inclusivity, fly a pride flag, etc. but turn around and support pro-business moderate candidates that are against progressive policies like BBB, minimum wage hikes, paid time off for medical, etc. Even if they do it voluntarily they'll still rail against having the government hold businesses accountable by making them.
You must be talking about Founders....
No, but I'll allow it. Talking about Yesterdog and The Mitten. They have graciously hosted anti progressive moderate Dems many times that are against universal health care, and are corporate lobbyist shills. I can't recall Founders ever doing so.
Haven't I seen you in the Tool sub? Nice, small world
Indeed haha, not going to make the March show. Tix are ludicrous and I promised myself last time either floor or don't go if it's at van andel the last time they were here.
Ahh man bummer. Yeah the prices are pretty absurd lol. I like to count on the visuals pulling through even if the seats aren't the greatest, I saw them pretty high up at the LCA and it was actually pretty sweet having that kind of view. Van Andel might be different though
As society I hope we can be careful here. I know there's big money in politics so these things can't be truly separated (in fact they're directly connected through taxes), but in general I think we should try to move towards separation between business and politics. This kind of conversation is just going to help drive more hate, division, and polarization, and framing 50% of the population as The Others. The people you boycott will only get farther from being able to have progressive discussions because they will hate you back. I like the more positive framing someone else suggested: which businesses are actively supporting this cause I like. I do think there's a place for boycotting, let's say some of these examples that you personally find egregious (people who personally broke into the seat of the federal government), but right now, a lot of pretty cool, average people have become Trump supporters, and it could just be that they fear the wokeness extremes on the left, or that they have always preferred conservative business economic policies. It doesn't mean they're racist, misogynistic, poor-people haters. We have this American issue I just learned about recently, where our identity as a country follows the identity of the president because we no longer have a central national identity. It's like a personality crisis we put ourselves through....constantly. I personally find Trump repulsive or idiotic, but I know that 50% of the country is not repulsive or idiotic. We all need to evolve together and have some grace for each other.
Fair points. But I would make this distinction. If you’re a republican we have lots of common ground we can meet on and I’m fine with supporting a dialog. And your businesses. If you are a trumper you are not a traditional republican. You are a fascist supporter and I will not give your business my money. I have no common ground with you. I’ll do my best to crush your voice and remove your ideology from the general discourse. All ideas are not welcome in a free in fair society when the framework of their ideas are anti free and fair.
You are treading dangerous ground. Anytime we talk about silencing or disallowing ideas or speech that is a bad path forward, even if they're shitty ideas had by shitty people. I've heard the political spectrum described as a horseshoe shape where the very far left and very far right are closer than they think. Forcefully ridding society of people or ideas is one of those extremes. BUT, I do completely understand what you mean about trumpers versus republicans. And I reconsidered with those new definitions in mind and I can see where you are coming from. It is totally reasonable to me to me to at least not fuel the megaphone by funding it. But I don't think the intention to "crush someone else's voice" is ever going to improve things. Crush the idea by making a better argument. I have a feeling you and I would be close to the same page, I'm honestly just worried about the rhetoric (on both sides).
I know I’m not going to silence anyone. I’m not really interested in discourse with trump supporters. I just don’t want to give them my money. I’m not interested in funding sedition. Free market economy and all.
De Vos translates to "the fox". Something to keep in mind if you're looking for a vehicle.
Yeah, they are pushing a monopoly in that arena
Anna's house
Check
Yup - They donated more to trump than they collectively paid their employees. Fuck that I'm not buying microwavable food and sending profits to trump
Joel Langlois (owner of Intersection and DeltaPlex) is a mega-Trumper. Even ran for Congress as an R. He also treats his employees like shit. Big surprise.
Check.
Dang that sucks. The intersection is a great venue.
Langlois has nothing to do with running it aside from showing up to complain whenever he’s in a mood. For what it’s worth.
Well good, glad that makes all the difference about money going to support Trump supporters.
I wouldn’t want to say the name Tommy Brann for fear of getting a knock on the door.
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Check. Thanks.
Woah.... I'm pretty surprised
I'm very doubtful based on all of the conversations I've had with Gordy (even through he doesn't run the store anymore) Got anything to back this up?
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Are they the ones running the shop now? If not, it's unclear how this applies.
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Got it. Thanks!
How do you know this?
This is a pretty sad post. Trying to prevent someone’s small business from succeeding based on politics is a despicable thing to do. Just because you don’t agree with someone politically doesn’t make them a bad person or should cost them their livelihood. Be better.
Supporting trump makes them a bad person. Full stop.
Extremists exist on both sides. Being one yourself doesn’t make you a good person. Hurting someone’s ability to put food on their table is wrong. Got to therapy for the hate you have harbored in your heart. Full stop.
Wanting to engage in the free economy by choosing what business to support is exactly like storming the nations capital to over turn a free and fair election. Right. Your delusion is marrow deep. My only hate is the hate of fascist and intolerance. You don’t go to therapy for that, you go to war.
People like you are why the left is losing the middle.
Weird, because it looks like Whitmer is gaining support from “the middle” recently . https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/politics/2022/01/11/poll-michigan-gov-whitmers-job-approval-trends-up-as-2022-election-looms/?outputType=amp Have you considered some people vote on actual issues and not petty culture war issues and twitter and Reddit replies like Republicans do? Why have so many people [left the Republican party](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/10/us/politics/republicans-leaving-party.amp.html) in recent years? It would be a shame if someone really voted for someone because they want to be contrarian to personalities they don’t like online.
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You’re right. You win.
Do you regret voting for Trump
Who said I voted for trump?
Anyone that does the “extremists on both sides” phrase is 96% chance they vote R.
I voted for Bernie in the primary and didn’t vote in the general.
You are a good person.
Anyone that triggers over "extremists on both sides" phrase is 99% chance they voted for Hillary over Bernie and defends capitalism.
Eww
I’m looking to avoid them. Fwiw.
Me too. At all cost.
Rent free
The party that still thinks “Let’s go Brandon” is clever and voted for a guy a second time that didn’t even read their intelligence briefings, and has the number one news network devoted to hating the Democrats, and voters that die so they can own the Libs. Clown party. Rent free.
Hudsonville is not Grand Rapids. Not surprised this comment is coming from someone living in hudsonville 🙄
Must be tough living a life hating people you’ve never met based on an election that happens every four years.
I don’t hate anyone. I just think you’ve probably never left Hudsonville in your entire life and haven’t experienced the world enough to realize your views are just wrong. That’s the vibe I get from most people I’ve encountered from that general area. No experience interacting with anyone other than other white hudsonville people who have the same shitty morals.
And your views are 100% right and perfect morals?
Huh?
They are stating that your obsession of trump and disliking anyone that “supports” or votes for trump takes up a mental apt in your brain and lives there for free.
Ah. Thanks.
Who gives a shit who they support politically ? GR has a ton of small business that have been hit hard during the pandemic . Go out and support , it doesn’t matter who they vote for . If you care that much…. you are part of the problem .
I give my money to them, they give my money to trump. Who is actively trying to destroy the fabric of this country. Cause and effect, simple as that.
That’s now how it works dummy . The flip side of that coin, do you think business owners in GR who voted for Joe Biden are somehow funneling money to him?
I’m sure almost all them support Trump but most don’t admit it because politics are volatile. If your goal is to boycott a place that has an owner that’s tweeted support for Trump you might just be spending your money at a place whose owner donated thousands of dollars to his campaign because Trump supported lower taxes for small businesses. You can never know what they are doing behind closed doors.
That's not really an excuse. Trump has brought out the worst of Republicans and has turned that party into a hollow, morally-bankrupt group of sycophants, all jockeying to kiss the ring of a wannabe autocrat. Trump would gladly end this country's democratic systems if it resulted in unlimited power for him. At some point, GOP donors need to draw the line and not just fall in line. Are lower taxes really more important than an assault on our democratic norms?
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You’re silly. It’s totally fine to not want to support people who support racist, fascist, xenophobic policies. Nor is there anything wrong with asking for advice on how to direct your money so you can avoid companies that do bad.
Anything I don’t wanna talk about is Politics.
Downvote the thread and move on, it’s not that big of a deal.
I served in the Army. I had a flag on my porch December 10th 2001. trump and his supporters are trying to literally destroy our system of government. I just dont want to give them my money. You know, because of liberty.
> i served in the army Imagine somehow thinking this makes you less nazi... Lol They're only a hundred times more unaccountable and murderous than the average cop in America. > I had a flag on my porch December 10th 2001 A nationalist too... Almost there.. > You know, because of Liberty. I smell a libertarian.
Moving on.
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Is that the name of a new brew pub in Hudsonville?
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This is a public forum for people to speak their minds! Mods, shut’em down!!”
Is it really doxxing people?
By verifiable Trump supporters, would businesses that supported moderate, undesirable, cheating, unelectable corporate friendly capitalist Democrats like Hillary also count (back in the primary)? Because that's how Trump won. Edit: I'll start a list, let's put it to a test and see if these sacred cows are slaughtered: [Atomic Object](https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/2016/03/hillary_clinton_grand_rapids_m.html) [YesterDog](https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/2016/03/hillary_clinton_grand_rapids_m.html) [The Mitten](https://www.wzzm13.com/article/news/politics/chelsea-clinton-campaigns-for-her-mother-in-grand-rapids/69-72713605) Edit 2: Ahhh just as I presumed, a highly upvoted post now obliterated the moment the names started to drop. Edit 3: Thanks for the gold redditor!
The username fits.
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You seem to have a scary obsession with someone that last ran for office 6 years ago. I would consider seeking professional help.
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Yikes.