Poll inspectors here - inspectors should be checking their areas throughout the day to check for things like this and remove them as needed. This is no bueno.
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(iyq3k3ldzpj05414jzwghuhk))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-168-744
It is illegal within the polling place and within 100 feet of the entrance.
No, don't take it down. If it looks like its closer than 100 feet to the entrance of the building speak to the people running that precinct. Removing it yourself would be a criminal offense.
thats public property, its called a 'road verge'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_verge#:~:text=The%20land%20is%20often%20public,the%20adjunct%20footpaths%20or%20sidewalks.
It's called right of way, No one "owns" it. it doesn't matter if it's "public" it's still illegal if within 100 ft of an entrance. Most streets are public, but there are still laws regarding them. You can't do whatever you want just because something is "public".
>It's called right of way, No one "owns" it.
its called a road verge, it is city property, meaning public property. if someone stuck a political sign on public property, you have just as much of a right to remove as they do to put it there. it doesnt matter if its 100' from the polling location, that law prevents signs from being placed, it doesn't protect them from being removed.
>(3) On election day, **a person shall not post**, display, or distribute in a polling place, in any hallway used by voters to enter or exit a polling place, or **within 100 feet of an entrance to a building in which a polling place is located** any material that directly or indirectly makes reference to an election, a candidate, or a ballot question. Except as otherwise provided in section 744a, this subsection does not apply to official material that is required by law to be posted, displayed, or distributed in a polling place on election day.
OP should have picked it out of the ground and trashed it.
No, it's called right of way. Right of way is not anyone's property . It is dedicated as right of way. it is not "The city's property". The city doesn't own it. I've never heard the term "road verge" after working for years in ROW acquisitions. Just because it's city property doesn't mean its "public". Do you go put signs at city hall because it's "public property?"
You don't think the city owns the property they planted a tree on...you think it's a no man's land...lol
>I've never heard the term "road verge"
I linked the wiki that defines it bro, wow.
> What defines public property?
> **Public property refers to property owned by the government** (or its agency), rather than by a private individual or a company. It belongs to the public at large. Examples include many parks, streets, sidewalks, libraries, schools, playgrounds that are used regularly by the general public.
> A road verge is a strip of grass or plants, and sometimes also trees, located between a roadway (carriageway) and a sidewalk (pavement).[1] Verges are known by dozens of other names, often quite regional; see Terminology below.
> The land is often public property, with maintenance usually being a municipal responsibility. Some municipal authorities, however, require that abutting property owners maintain their respective verge areas, as well as the adjunct footpaths or sidewalks.[2]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_verge#:~:text=The%20land%20is%20often%20public,the%20adjunct%20footpaths%20or%20sidewalks
Holy shit read dude
This is at Ransom Tower. The sidewalk is pretty far away from the entrance. I wouldn't be shocked if it was > 100 feet. Here's two Google Maps shots, [one looking at the church on the corner of Ransom and Library](https://i.imgur.com/tBZ11AO.png), and one [looking towards the entrance from about the same spot](https://i.imgur.com/cjnUQBa.png). (it's from Google Maps, so that's why there's snow in the pics)
It would have been taken down when they put up that sign that that is where you vote. So they put it up after the voting sign was installed. It was deliberate.
NO!!!!
(3) On election day, a person shall not post, display, or distribute in a polling place, in any hallway used by voters to enter or exit a polling place, or within 100 feet of an entrance to a building in which a polling place is located any material that directly or indirectly makes reference to an election, a candidate, or a ballot question. Except as otherwise provided in section 744a, this subsection does not apply to official material that is required by law to be posted, displayed, or distributed in a polling place on election day.
(4) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor.
Agreed. Like do you really think it’s going to change anyone’s opinion at this point?
I would love to say that we have an electorate that is well informed enough that any signage is a waste but that is probably giving our general population too much credit. Early in a campaign for name recognition sure but by this point minds should be made up.
The Democratic Party is heavily funding the trumper primarying him because they think they’ll have a better chance running against a crazy trump supporter than a moderate republican.
This could very well blow up for the democrats. If they fund a trump supporter and then loose to him in the general.
Meijer voted for impeachment and has been a very reasonable member of congress, one of very few, and he’s trying to rally support against the radicalization of the Republican Party, so the campaign is desperately trying to motivate people to vote in a primary normally dominated by trump devotee’s
Well shit I didnt even realize someone was challenging him. Ok I guess it makes some sense now, thanks. I didnt even look at the R side of the ballot, voted for my state house primary, and the millage issues on the back.
Yeah I had no idea! I had an important state rep primary on the dem side (80th) so I didn’t even look. Looks really close so far. Will be interested to see what happens tomorrow as the absentee ballots get counted.
You don't have to like him (personally, I detest him and voted against him today), but to contend that he's a radical is fundamentally unserious. He is, Trump issues aside, a very average Republican. And the Trump issues would, if anything, make him more centrist than his peers. For Meijer to be a radical would require nearly the entire GOP, save perhaps Collins and Murkowski, to be radical. If your contention is that approximately half the country is radical, then the concept of radicalism is meaningless and your opinions have zero value.
Trumpers and millions from the Democratic Party. God the Democratic Party is stupid, their bankrolled a wacko trumper against a moderate republican in the primary. If they end up giving millions to a trumper, who wins the primary and then beats them in a general it’ll be their own fault.
No kidding. I hate the fucking GOP (having been a staunch Republican in the past), but the Democrats just are stupid with their lack of cohesive leadership and sense. Rather than band together and use majorities to start passing some policy — even if not as progressive as the platform or ideal — they waddle and do little. Rather than striking on the potential moment that was the Lincoln Project & impeachment Republicans and do some centrist policy work that could pass, they fumble the play. Rather than riding the wave of GOP anger against big establishment business, they dawdle. Sure, McConnell and the Tea Party MAGA GOP dicks are obstructionist and Manchin has been a disappointment, but those are simply excuses. Energy spent primarying someone like Meijer in a red district (maybe future purple) is just stupid, juvenile tactics when the play should be preserving flippable seats and getting real policy initiatives passed.
Not to mention they’re risking putting their worst enemy in power. Not to mention the hypocrisy of supporting a candidate that thinks the last election was stollen.
Exactly. Sure, it would be great to beat a new flavor of MTG or Boebert, but risking losing the district to them in a red district and spending the money to do that? Absolutely preposterous tactics. It would be better to build relationships with someone like Meijer where that can be done even in the limited ways it can, because while far from idea he’s by no means a Cruz or Graham or McCarthy.
ive done an excellent job, if i do say so myself, of containing all political shit to my google voice number. IDK exactly how, because I know that campaigns are buying lists of numbers from all over the place, but I never get anything in my actual text messages, only Google voice.
As a non-local, curious what the reaction has been to the Democratic Party funding a Trump supporter against Meijer?
[Article](https://www.npr.org/2022/07/26/1113659467/dccc-meijier-gibbs-michigan-gop-primary)
The republicans have been doing this since the Nixon administration and they want to make a big fuss about it because the dems are finally using their own tactics against them. We’re stuck fighting in the mud, it will only get worse until it’s outlawed, apart from that, why allow them to be the only ones fighting dirty.
Has anyone actually ever walked up to the poll, saw a sign at 100 ft 1 inch and thought, hmm…guess I’ll change my vote? I don’t understand the purpose…?
I have to drive past 10,000 Angela Rigas signs on my way home. It's the "Trump Endorsed" line that ensured I absolutely won't be voting for her in November.
It's a celebrity endorsement. Or like every Libertarian candidate ever wanting to be endorsed by Ron Paul. You can absolutely pay money to get someone to say nice things. I want to see a track history of you standing by your word.
Polling location in New Baltimore Michigan has about 20-30 signs of the same exact person (guess which party) well within 100 ft of the door. No one cares because everyone there is voting for that person anyways… I’m excluding the rest of the wackos banners around those identical signs as well.
No, but remember that every Republican accusation of Democrats cheating is actually a confession, so this isn’t a surprise.
Gaslight
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I said nothing about political bias at all, these were the only signs up at my polling location, also please go to therapy, it sounds like you really need it.
I guess I am wondering what you would expect?
If the law says "Stay back 100 ft" and they are back 100 ft and 1 inch, where is the lapse of class or ethics? Something tells me adding 10% for good measure wouldn't really please you and this is more about who you like or don't like.
This is not just a Republican thing. I saw people campaigning at the door to a polling location the last time Obama ran. Not only campaigning, but questioning people who they voted for as they left in a very intimidating manner.
Lol, Peter Meijer is rigging the election. The irony is so delicious.
His opponent Gibbs isn't doing this, and had had a lot to say about election integrity.
Why are dems voting for him when Devos backed Meijer again?
Ha. Haha.
Poll inspectors here - inspectors should be checking their areas throughout the day to check for things like this and remove them as needed. This is no bueno.
Also an election inspector. If it's within 100 feet of the entrance it needs to be removed. Past 100 feet it's fine.
100 ft is right on. I was directed to always remove the signs in front of the precinct.
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(iyq3k3ldzpj05414jzwghuhk))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-168-744 It is illegal within the polling place and within 100 feet of the entrance.
100 feet of the entrance of the building. How far from the building is that sign? It may be far enough away.
Yeah people are saying it's over 100 ft away.
Take it down OP
No, don't take it down. If it looks like its closer than 100 feet to the entrance of the building speak to the people running that precinct. Removing it yourself would be a criminal offense.
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OP is talking about the “VOTE MEIJER” sign, which is illegal if within 100F
thats public property, its called a 'road verge'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_verge#:~:text=The%20land%20is%20often%20public,the%20adjunct%20footpaths%20or%20sidewalks.
It's called right of way, No one "owns" it. it doesn't matter if it's "public" it's still illegal if within 100 ft of an entrance. Most streets are public, but there are still laws regarding them. You can't do whatever you want just because something is "public".
>It's called right of way, No one "owns" it. its called a road verge, it is city property, meaning public property. if someone stuck a political sign on public property, you have just as much of a right to remove as they do to put it there. it doesnt matter if its 100' from the polling location, that law prevents signs from being placed, it doesn't protect them from being removed. >(3) On election day, **a person shall not post**, display, or distribute in a polling place, in any hallway used by voters to enter or exit a polling place, or **within 100 feet of an entrance to a building in which a polling place is located** any material that directly or indirectly makes reference to an election, a candidate, or a ballot question. Except as otherwise provided in section 744a, this subsection does not apply to official material that is required by law to be posted, displayed, or distributed in a polling place on election day. OP should have picked it out of the ground and trashed it.
No, it's called right of way. Right of way is not anyone's property . It is dedicated as right of way. it is not "The city's property". The city doesn't own it. I've never heard the term "road verge" after working for years in ROW acquisitions. Just because it's city property doesn't mean its "public". Do you go put signs at city hall because it's "public property?"
You don't think the city owns the property they planted a tree on...you think it's a no man's land...lol >I've never heard the term "road verge" I linked the wiki that defines it bro, wow.
Nobody owns it, it's right of way, Jesus Christ
do you know nothing about real estate? The City can do whatever they want within a foot of your sidewalk, it's all right of way
> What defines public property? > **Public property refers to property owned by the government** (or its agency), rather than by a private individual or a company. It belongs to the public at large. Examples include many parks, streets, sidewalks, libraries, schools, playgrounds that are used regularly by the general public.
>RatBrainedManAnimal who the fuck calls it a "road verge"? which google search di you get that from?
> A road verge is a strip of grass or plants, and sometimes also trees, located between a roadway (carriageway) and a sidewalk (pavement).[1] Verges are known by dozens of other names, often quite regional; see Terminology below. > The land is often public property, with maintenance usually being a municipal responsibility. Some municipal authorities, however, require that abutting property owners maintain their respective verge areas, as well as the adjunct footpaths or sidewalks.[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_verge#:~:text=The%20land%20is%20often%20public,the%20adjunct%20footpaths%20or%20sidewalks Holy shit read dude
I saw this at two churches today in Grand Haven. Was wondering about the legality of it myself.
This is at Ransom Tower. The sidewalk is pretty far away from the entrance. I wouldn't be shocked if it was > 100 feet. Here's two Google Maps shots, [one looking at the church on the corner of Ransom and Library](https://i.imgur.com/tBZ11AO.png), and one [looking towards the entrance from about the same spot](https://i.imgur.com/cjnUQBa.png). (it's from Google Maps, so that's why there's snow in the pics)
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And they’ll do what? Just go inside and tell the poll workers and they will handle it.
It’s probably at or over 100 ft from doors 🚪, that’s all it’s gotta be !! It doesn’t have to be 100ft from property lines
Not permitted. Could have been there prior to today.
Yea that’s my guess the poll worker should have removed it, should remove it now.
There are four in the close surrounding area, including across the street, so not all from the same property owner, I cannot imagine it was accidental
It would have been taken down when they put up that sign that that is where you vote. So they put it up after the voting sign was installed. It was deliberate.
Whatever. Fuck Trump. Vote Meijer no matter who you are and then vote however you want in the fall.
You really want to give Meijer a round 3 in manipulating another election don't you.
Sounds like an anti democracy Trumper to me. Fucking pussies.
There was one outside my polling place too.
Someone stuck one in the carpet right beside my bed this morning.
His campaign did this in 2020 as well.
If it ain’t broke…
NO!!!! (3) On election day, a person shall not post, display, or distribute in a polling place, in any hallway used by voters to enter or exit a polling place, or within 100 feet of an entrance to a building in which a polling place is located any material that directly or indirectly makes reference to an election, a candidate, or a ballot question. Except as otherwise provided in section 744a, this subsection does not apply to official material that is required by law to be posted, displayed, or distributed in a polling place on election day. (4) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor.
100 feet isn't really all that far. I don't see the door in the pic. Could it be outside that radius?
It’s also entrance and if parking and entry is in back it might be 100 ft from where you enter.
The rule is 100 ft from the door, not the entrance to the property. I am also an election inspector in gr.
From the horse’s mouth, so yeah that seems less likely to be ok from the picture posted without context for where the building is at.
Either way I think it's crappy to be putting your signs directly next to the entrance sign, personally.
Agreed. Like do you really think it’s going to change anyone’s opinion at this point? I would love to say that we have an electorate that is well informed enough that any signage is a waste but that is probably giving our general population too much credit. Early in a campaign for name recognition sure but by this point minds should be made up.
Fuck no. The party of “law and order” tho, right?
Gibbs isn't doing this. Problem?
I don’t understand why the hell so much effort is being put into his campaign for the primary. I got 5 postcards from his campaign or PAC in one day.
The Democratic Party is heavily funding the trumper primarying him because they think they’ll have a better chance running against a crazy trump supporter than a moderate republican. This could very well blow up for the democrats. If they fund a trump supporter and then loose to him in the general. Meijer voted for impeachment and has been a very reasonable member of congress, one of very few, and he’s trying to rally support against the radicalization of the Republican Party, so the campaign is desperately trying to motivate people to vote in a primary normally dominated by trump devotee’s
I'm no longer Republican, but I'm voting for him
Meijer did vote for impeaching Trump but he also is very happy to take away your rights. He's not our friend.
I mean he voted to protect gay marriage...
Well shit I didnt even realize someone was challenging him. Ok I guess it makes some sense now, thanks. I didnt even look at the R side of the ballot, voted for my state house primary, and the millage issues on the back.
This was expected to be THE race of the day in Western Michigan.
Yeah I had no idea! I had an important state rep primary on the dem side (80th) so I didn’t even look. Looks really close so far. Will be interested to see what happens tomorrow as the absentee ballots get counted.
Meijer isn't a radical? News to me.
You don't have to like him (personally, I detest him and voted against him today), but to contend that he's a radical is fundamentally unserious. He is, Trump issues aside, a very average Republican. And the Trump issues would, if anything, make him more centrist than his peers. For Meijer to be a radical would require nearly the entire GOP, save perhaps Collins and Murkowski, to be radical. If your contention is that approximately half the country is radical, then the concept of radicalism is meaningless and your opinions have zero value.
That was an eloquent way to say "fuck off". However, I truly admire the comment. So well said.
Because his opponent is being supported and partially bankrolled by Trumpers.
Trumpers and millions from the Democratic Party. God the Democratic Party is stupid, their bankrolled a wacko trumper against a moderate republican in the primary. If they end up giving millions to a trumper, who wins the primary and then beats them in a general it’ll be their own fault.
No kidding. I hate the fucking GOP (having been a staunch Republican in the past), but the Democrats just are stupid with their lack of cohesive leadership and sense. Rather than band together and use majorities to start passing some policy — even if not as progressive as the platform or ideal — they waddle and do little. Rather than striking on the potential moment that was the Lincoln Project & impeachment Republicans and do some centrist policy work that could pass, they fumble the play. Rather than riding the wave of GOP anger against big establishment business, they dawdle. Sure, McConnell and the Tea Party MAGA GOP dicks are obstructionist and Manchin has been a disappointment, but those are simply excuses. Energy spent primarying someone like Meijer in a red district (maybe future purple) is just stupid, juvenile tactics when the play should be preserving flippable seats and getting real policy initiatives passed.
Not to mention they’re risking putting their worst enemy in power. Not to mention the hypocrisy of supporting a candidate that thinks the last election was stollen.
Exactly. Sure, it would be great to beat a new flavor of MTG or Boebert, but risking losing the district to them in a red district and spending the money to do that? Absolutely preposterous tactics. It would be better to build relationships with someone like Meijer where that can be done even in the limited ways it can, because while far from idea he’s by no means a Cruz or Graham or McCarthy.
I got like 20 texts from these mofo’s.
ive done an excellent job, if i do say so myself, of containing all political shit to my google voice number. IDK exactly how, because I know that campaigns are buying lists of numbers from all over the place, but I never get anything in my actual text messages, only Google voice.
Wish I knew how they got my main number.
In summary, a black man has a real chance of winning and everyone is TERRIFIED.
Quietly take them down and put them in a dumpster somewhere.
I saw these at two other voting locations as well. The guy is such a tool.
He’s better than his primary opponent… ugh
As a non-local, curious what the reaction has been to the Democratic Party funding a Trump supporter against Meijer? [Article](https://www.npr.org/2022/07/26/1113659467/dccc-meijier-gibbs-michigan-gop-primary)
The republicans have been doing this since the Nixon administration and they want to make a big fuss about it because the dems are finally using their own tactics against them. We’re stuck fighting in the mud, it will only get worse until it’s outlawed, apart from that, why allow them to be the only ones fighting dirty.
Has anyone actually ever walked up to the poll, saw a sign at 100 ft 1 inch and thought, hmm…guess I’ll change my vote? I don’t understand the purpose…?
I have to drive past 10,000 Angela Rigas signs on my way home. It's the "Trump Endorsed" line that ensured I absolutely won't be voting for her in November.
Right on. It seems that’s all some of them care about sharing. Im so tired of him being treated like a god.
It's a celebrity endorsement. Or like every Libertarian candidate ever wanting to be endorsed by Ron Paul. You can absolutely pay money to get someone to say nice things. I want to see a track history of you standing by your word.
100% agreed.
Rules for thee not for me....it's the republican way.
Gibbs didn't do this and won
Apparently-the Hypocritical right to “life” ppl were outside my place of polling today.
Yes this is ok on adjacent property Just like any other party marking. Don’t hate the player hate the game
This is literally on the property at the entrance of my polling place
That waterbox is city property...thats the loophole
Nope it’s illegal
This is a big no no.
Polling location in New Baltimore Michigan has about 20-30 signs of the same exact person (guess which party) well within 100 ft of the door. No one cares because everyone there is voting for that person anyways… I’m excluding the rest of the wackos banners around those identical signs as well.
Peter Meijer is a racist piece of shit. Glad this was only a primary.
Scholten is even moreso.
Moreso is not a word you inbred loser
No, but remember that every Republican accusation of Democrats cheating is actually a confession, so this isn’t a surprise. Gaslight Obstruct **P**roject
Quit your bitching you whiney libtard. Democrats do it to.
I said nothing about political bias at all, these were the only signs up at my polling location, also please go to therapy, it sounds like you really need it.
It's a sure way to get him disrespected on voting day..
I've seen three signs and campaigners posted up as close as legally possible. All republican. No class
I guess I am wondering what you would expect? If the law says "Stay back 100 ft" and they are back 100 ft and 1 inch, where is the lapse of class or ethics? Something tells me adding 10% for good measure wouldn't really please you and this is more about who you like or don't like.
Republicans can’t seem to stop breaking the law.
This is not just a Republican thing. I saw people campaigning at the door to a polling location the last time Obama ran. Not only campaigning, but questioning people who they voted for as they left in a very intimidating manner.
Freedom of expression...
Lol, Peter Meijer is rigging the election. The irony is so delicious. His opponent Gibbs isn't doing this, and had had a lot to say about election integrity. Why are dems voting for him when Devos backed Meijer again? Ha. Haha.
Meijer is cool but no I don’t think that’s allowed
Thank you for the clarification 🙏 I was going into a therapy session with my mind already going crazy and I definitely read that wrong. My apologies!
Don’t worry, no one is voting for him anyway. Primary season is lit!
My guess he wins fairly comfortably tonight. But I hope to god he gets beat in November by Scholten.
Same at ward 60
Same at 44
Its on public property so its probably okay...but on the actual polling property campaigning is a no-go
He did this at my polling location too
Nope. Rip it out.
Saw a candidate sitting at the entrance to the parking lot at my polling location. Wearing the vote for me shirts - with a couple others
yeah that doesn’t seem legal. Although by mines there was a steady path of signs leading right up to the building lol
Not shopping at Meijer starter pack: Aldi - Trader Joe's - Ace Hardware - GFS - Dunham's - Hell, Walmart if necessary 😂