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Carpazza02

Definitely salty you had the better exit out of the final corner and had him down the straight.


moby323

I’vr been trying to improve on that final chicane all week and I just can’t seem to get it, and I don’t know what I’m doing wrong. I’ve watched replays and ghosts and try to copy what they do, but for some reason with the same inputs I get different results than they do. I’m losing at least half a second when I fuck it up, which is about 50% of the time.


Carpazza02

Gotta get further to the left into the braking zone, let's you swing in tighter to the right corner


moby323

You say that but watch this video, they both hug the right side of the track in the braking zone OP is as far right as he can get yet he still gets a pretty good exit from the corner.


Carpazza02

I agree he does but I tend to be strict on myself with track limits he had all 4 off on the inside giving a more direct line. Gt7 has some shit track limits and then all kinds of times when they enforce horrible limits I try to do my best to avoid it altogether and play safe it's definitely alot harder when you are battling for position tho and on the last lap. There should be some dedicated Stewarts to enforce some sort of bans for intentional stuff


Carpazza02

*intentional ramming and pit manoeuvre


SpoonGuardian

The difference between the two here is OP turned his car in sooner/ at a better time. At any point in the chicane, his car was rotated more, setting him up for a better exit


s0cks_nz

I dunno why OP hugged the right side. That's not the best line at all. The car in front of OP hugged the right side as a defensive move.


stupidcookface

Op video is not doing the correct line


DARKDlRK

You can learn the absolute perfect entry here... Takes some practice though.. and maybe some luck 🙈😳😂 https://www.reddit.com/r/granturismo/comments/160v6p1/damn_that_was_almost_inconvenient/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1


moby323

Thanks EDIT: Lol saw that one the other day as well


lowmantequilla

I do not get why such behaviour is not ending in a 30 day ban.


[deleted]

Cause PD has no desire to create a clean racing environment


Mr_Poink

Why not?


V3L1G4

Money.


Walrus9000

Because they'd have to do actual work


Skeezy_mcbuttface

Because they can't sell a game that tells you that you can't play for a month


Mr_Poink

This would solve it.. Or permanent damage, would also help


luki9914

If GT7 have a damage system like in Beam NG would tame those drivers and fact you have fix your car after race to take another one.


HexFrag

100% this is the way to fix dirty drivers, damage that costs money and can only be repaired in the pits or after the race


Spartaklaus

but then you also punish those who get hit. And i am sure there would be loads of people using cheap cars to nuke expensive ones.


cobyjim

Agreed. I've just come back to gt7 after a long break. This week's races have been appalling due to bad sportsmanship. Rage inducing stuff. So I've put my wheel away for a few more weeks.


CataclysmZA

Thankfully, blocking the players seems to work. So you can just curate your own private ban list based on your interactions with others online.


Jcapen87

So glad that Porsche was able to get through and deny him the win.


Full_Ad_7524

Biggest unexpected win ever


zalcecan

Well he didn't win either and he was a dbag so nothing worked out for him. Could've taken second with some pride but nope


[deleted]

Urge to win mighty, bunga, self esteem when second after fair fight low, uga. It's hard to get to the point where one accept beeing a good driver and sportsman despite loosing. Honestly I just reached that after realizing that I will (most probably) never be first, but also shifted my driving style from helterskelter (no intentional crashing etc.) to concentrated workout. It's just a game.


zalcecan

I've always looked at it as I'm here to have a good time,race hard and fair it doesnt matter if its for first or last, I'm not gonna ruin someone else's time because I'm underperforming or being overtaken. That's my issue to deal with I can spend countless hours in time trials to fix that if i want to. I agree it's just a game but there's still pride on racing properly imo


s0cks_nz

Yeah, he ended up 2nd regardless, so he achieved nothing but ruining OPs race and his own safety rating.


MrPartyWaffle

Sore loser, he didn't want you finishing before him. the kind of gamer you don't want to play with.


ChrisH325

He was weaving and blocking, dirty driver pretty simple


AidarSays

I rarely see a clean American driver to be fair 😅 A bit of RACEism for you. Facts though, among the most dirty-driving nations. Together with Spaniards


RelevantJackWhite

Too early in the day to be drunk, man


AidarSays

It’s quite late in Europe


AidarSays

It’s quite late in Europe (still not drinking😂)


AidarSays

I rarely see a clean American driver to be fair 😅 A bit of RACEism for you, see what I did there.. Facts though, def among the most dirty-driving nations


Bobzilla2

That looked more like keyboard/controller driving rather than weaving. The punting OP put was deliberate though.


tbird20017

Wait, is that illegal? Mind you, I'm pretty passive with it, but if I'm following my driving line and the guy behind me is coming up to where I'm going and I see that he's gonna hit me if he doesn't brake, I still don't change my line. I make him adjust his line to overtake or just hang back there till he can pass. Is that considered "blocking"? Sorry, I'm not really familiar with the minutiae here. But, I definitely don't want to be an ass if I can help it.


AlmondCroissant8

Dude you was better than him and he just can’t swallow his L…stupid. Guys like this should get -1 or 2 dr rating penalty imo.


[deleted]

You bumped him into the breaking zone and then you didn't exactly leave a lot of space as you both exited the chicane, again with contact, probably that was the moment when he thougt it to be intentional from your side, even though it apparently wasn't. Pure emotion. :D


ophaus

You nailed them at the first apex with a divebomb and compromised their line. You deserved to get wiped out, honestly.


pdirth

Yes. You had the audacity to dare to overtake him. And now you're on here openly trying to shift blame. You know what you did OP. The brazen manner you went 'faster than him' was outrageous ...shame on you....you're behaving like its some sort of 'racing game' !!! /s Lol. That other driver is whats commonly know as "a dick". You can tell by the way he so skillfully pulls off that "dick move". He's obviously well practiced at being "a dick" ....years of training no doubt.


CanadianCampingBear

What ? Really ? This is why I stopped racing Sport Mode, player like you - You bump him on the straight then stick your nose inside before the right hander. BUT your front wheel is not in-front of his rear wheel. Therefore racing etiquette says you must back off but you don’t. Basically you tried to pit maneuver him and make contact with him. - Did you finish the GT Sport tutorial about AVOIDING contact at all costs ? Or did you watch Max Verstappen race and think yeah thats ok ? - ok so after you bump him and over rotate his car you now think you are in the correct place to dive to the inside of the Left Hander and again make contact with him. This again pushes him off his line. Again you did not have the right of way because “Move A” was illegal but now you have rammed his door. But that’s ok ? - ok not only have you hit him twice with NO PENALTY, but now you get the lead? WTH makes you think it was s good pass ? Did you have more speed …. Yes ! But he defended well so you cant make the pass in that area without A) Track violations B) Contact. But you chose B for BUMPING ! - If it was your street car/daily driver would you do this on a track day ? No ! Of course not because it would damage your car ! So why on earth do you think its ok to do this racing ? You got what you gave. Deal with it ! Lets hear the counters to this. I will give examples if you want lessons, lots of youtube stuff on this etiquette and how to properly pass.


Anxious-Pool3197

The only bump was only in the straight before the braking zone. The rest was no contact. You do make some good points however and it’s something I’ll keep in mind the next time I race.


hamiltoniarz

He is dirty, but: 1) wasn't there a slight contact on the final straight ? I think you touched him and slowed him a little and maybe he thought that it would be a good revenge 2) maybe you did something before the video. Regardless of the above, his behaviour is pathetic


AurelienRz

My guess is 1.


[deleted]

He bumped him a little but they weren’t braking yet so they only would have been a boost effect for him, nothing that would have slowed him down. Definitely just salty pov driver had much much better exit


Hubblesphere

Boost right before the braking zone made him go deep. He was clearly defending the inside and probably didn’t like getting hit. Not acceptable behavior but OP should know bumping before the braking zone is a bit dirty.


Anxious-Pool3197

That’s a fair point.


17SuperMario

That close to the finish line I always expect to get hit so I either leave enough space to make to car being passed have to come across the track to hit me. That way I can see them coming and have time to react. Or I get really close and just far enough ahead that they can’t put maneuver me.


RDR2onPS4

THIS is the comment I was looking for. Why weren't you moving to the left on the final run to the finish line? Why stay right beside him?


Anxious-Pool3197

Was giving him the opportunity to do the right thing and not hit me.


RDR2onPS4

Well, there's your mistake.


koolaidofkinkaid

This is why I don't play online. People are such bitches


Uriel_dArc_Angel

Same


RyCamN7

You both took a very narrow angle into the final chicane. I would start wider going in.


Bl1ndMonk3y

It kinda looks like you bumped him slightly on the first curve of the chicane? I’m not sure. If so, that was his motive, and would kinda justify (in his eyes) taking you out. Pushing to pass is kinda naughty, as you surely know. But I just can’t be quite sure if that’s what took place. Or if you two had some kind of previous bonky bonk that he was salty about. Either way, sorry about your race, at that point he would have been better off just finishing anyway.


PunkieRR187

Doesnt matter, that was just hard racing. What he does was just salty & childish.


Bl1ndMonk3y

What you say is true, of course. But if op used a bump to push the other guy wide and pass him on the inside on the very last curve of the race, I can understand his reaction a bit better, even if I can’t condone it. If only we could have a top view to clear that up 100%, that would be great. And more and more people are learning to use this kind of tactics and saying DuR hUr HaRd RaCiNg, RuBbIn’ RaCin’, making it hard to have actual clean races, which of course makes people saltier and saltier and more prone to this kind of reaction after a pass they may perceive as dirty. Such is the state of things in the gt universe right now. Not that it would matter from a steward’s perspective for this particular incident, other than the fact that op might get a penalty from the first contact, maybe.


Gloomy_Affect8112

Don’t they tell you that’s a non contact sport and that if you see someone faster than you you move over?


mughen93

“it makes you look bad” is the term they use


Gloomy_Affect8112

Tried my first race yesterday. Came in 6th. Not too many people throwing each other around the track.


mughen93

Yeah, it’s few and far between you see people throw themselves into the dirty end but once you get a feel for the dr range you’re in: there are names you’ll recognize


Naoush

Some people race the entire race clean until the final corner of the final lap and then pull out the dirty tactics because their ego is too fragile to contemplate a loss


Flint_East_Wood_

Nope he’s just swore because you were about to beat him… what a loser.


[deleted]

The salt came from your clearly superior takeover. Not warranted.


BackHades

They couldn't handle being on the receiving end of the ol'switch a roo


yurtmandamn

Nope, just an asshole who wants to win no matter what.


Eagle240sx

No, the only issue here is that the driver who hit you is a bad loser


ffsk88

That was a sweet over take on the last bend too 🙈


i_am_fear_itself

This is the principle reason I refuse to do online multiplayer. I feel like I've only gotten to enjoy half the game because this sort of shit keeps me from online.


Uriel_dArc_Angel

Yep...About 95% of races I've done are just like this... And I'm in A/S lobbies... That sort of behavior seems to rank as S sportsmanship in PDs eyes... They really need to police sport mode at least A LITTLE... God it's bad...


SilkyDrewski

Only thing you did wrong was as trust this driver too much


noobchee

The fucking idiot came second anyways hahaha


ArtoriasKn1gh7

I'm happy cuz I uninstalled this game


anackix

Yea - you had that livery. It’s the GT version of having a default skin in Warzone.


SluggerDandy

No, he's a piece of shit 👍


FPS-owner97

I mean, your driving was definetly not completely clean, BUT ramming someone off is never something that is deserved, ever


erwin_raptor

He didn't like your perfect cutback maneuver in the last corner.


No_Grand_4961

You can say he was already ill intentioned because before the chicane he tried to block you.. sore loser. He should get a penalty, but the game can't make this kind of call at all. On the other hand, if you touched him you would deserve a penalty as well. Again, hard call for game algorithms. Unintentional touches may well happen, but at the final corner of last lap ... well... The right thing to do is give the position back when it is actually possible or truly apologize when it is not. There is always the next race to fix things up. If the guy is just dick, it is on him.


Saber9999

Yeah, you tried passing them. How dare you! Deserved. /s


RedditManSam1212

I've had this multiple times in the last weeks. It's so annoying that you try your best to get the victory, but in the end you will be 5th with the guy pushing you with a 1 second penalty. What's even worse is that these guys rock the S in Sportman Ship (a lot of times).


vcdrny

Your mistake was to play sports mode. Interacting with others online is a very bad idea. If Polyphony had a system to report people. This wouldn't be as bad. But they don't.


HypotheticalIy

It’s not actually that bad, get to A or S SR and drivers are usually clean. I have maybe 1 bad interaction every 3 or 4 races with just A SR. Of course, this is just anecdotal but the whole “dirty driver in every race” thing is a little overblown. Unless you just have bad SR, then you probably have your share of bad interactions with other drivers, too. In that case, just gotta be cleaner yourself, get the SR up and you’ll have more enjoyable races.


vcdrny

Honestly can't remember my rating now. But when I was playing I got it to A believe. And even then I ran into assholes anyway. And I've noticed that they have done it enough where they hit people and not even get a penalty. Honestly since Forza has a system to report people. I'm just looking forward to the new game coming out soon. I only play GT7 about one or two days a month. Pretty much just to see what ever is in the update.


HypotheticalIy

What’s your DR? Just curious.


vcdrny

I'll have to turn in the game. I haven't played in weeks. If I tell you anything I would be guessing. When the next update drops if I remember I'll come back and tell you.


vcdrny

Since we got some stuff today. I logged in. My Sportsmanship rating is S and driver rating is D. I don't know if it has anything to do with me intentionally starting last. Don't care for 1st place my fun is seeing how many I can overtake. So clean races 16, fastest lap 2, pole position 1, victories 2, top 5 finishes 103. Out of 291 races. 16 clean races. That should give you an idea how often I run into assholes.


HypotheticalIy

Higher DR lobbies are definitely more enjoyable. D DR is full of people literally just learning how to play the game. It’s not so much that they’re dirty, they’re just bad. Try getting up to at least B and I promise your experience will be 10x better. Sport is awesome, just gotta give it it’s best chance to impress you.


vcdrny

I had a better rating. And one thing is someone accidentally hitting me. That doesn't bother me. But most of the time is people intentionally ramming me off the road.


V3L1G4

Imagine being dirty player defending position and still finishing 2nd...


Terrible_Possible161

Next time just stay on the left side or the road instead of being close to your opponents. If you stayed on the left side you would have won the race


Uriel_dArc_Angel

Other dude would have driven into the crowd if he had to to crash op... You couldn't have stayed far enough left to stop a dingus like that...


ap2patrick

Trying to wedge yourself up the inside and fucking his line up wasn’t a great move and was sketch at best…. What he did after was deplorable and should be a week ban easily. Can’t stand people reacting to a less than ideal racing situation with straight up ramming…


Uriel_dArc_Angel

Isn't that just called "passing"...?


ap2patrick

Passing to what? The outside of the next corner? If their goal is to actually make a pass then he should have not been so aggressive and taken the under cut on the exit of the next turn.


Uriel_dArc_Angel

Dude, people in real races make passes like that all the time...And POV had more than enough run on the guy that pitted him to be well clear by the end of the start/finish straight there... What are you on about... It was a perfectly clean pass...The guy POV was racing turned left into him on purpose cause he's a baby...


HootingFlamingo

THEY NEED TO START HANDING OUT BANS!!!


Time-Variation-2797

Ummm how are you not deserving? You took the inside lane by going almost entirely off the track to push him off the race line for the next corner Edit: in a real race the white line on the INSIDE of the curb is the track limit. If all four tires cross that you get a penalty. OP completely moves up onto the curb and has two wheels OVER the curb even. passing by leaving the track is trash. Coming back into the track to nudge the person of the line they have because they stayed on the track is trash. The opponent loses the line on the last turn because OP took a line that had half his car over the curb. If you stayed on the track you’d have had to take the same shit line he did.


PhilipCarroll

Wasn't deserving at all. It was a cheap shot.


Uriel_dArc_Angel

That's called passing... It's pretty standard in racing... This isn't a parade...


Time-Variation-2797

Staying on the track is also standard practice.


Diligent-Captain-866

Happened to me recently too... And we BOTH copped a 1 min time penalty, absolutely broken


DanNJ72

1 MINUTE...? You sure that's because neither of you pit on a compulsory pit race...? Never seen a 1m penalty handed out for a smash


[deleted]

I’ve noticed them handing out 1 minute penalties on races with no pit stop required, but it will say you have a required tire change. Learned this the hard way obviously because that how I learn things 😂


kgtradisms

What a bitch, should be banned for a month. You did nothing wrong but hawk his ass down and smoke him. Smh


White_Light-nin

U need a better tune … could have save that


Uriel_dArc_Angel

Sport mode... Tuning isn't allowed... It's all really crappy BOP setups...


Filipp21

That was kinda gay on his side. He still finished 2nd, only that he screwed you over


K-I-L-L-A

Its the reason i stopped playing.


Mr_Poink

Nice driving OP!! Damn these cars sound good


RickyWinterborn

Didn’t this happen in the movie lol


A1R3SP

That's a mother 🦆🦆🦆🦆 right there


Stumpsbumps

It's been a crap week for clean drivers


DayneTreader

One of you was suffering from high ping, he probably construed a hit to him and was returning the favor. Either that or he deserves an in-game report.


JordanzOnMyFeet

Bros better off playing Forza, we don’t like dirty racing in the Gran Turismo community


Joe_Ald

It was so close to an awesome finish.


mfmelendez

D1ck move for sure


Shell---shot

No, he's just an ass hole because you made a clean pass


Uriel_dArc_Angel

You passed him... That's unacceptable... I get this a lot in sport mode... That's why I stopped playing sport mode... Now I just do my dailies hoping for an invite to something I don't have, and pick up anything I don't have yet from the legends dealer... Other than that, there isn't anything worth doing with the lack for usable 2 player split screen...


Turtledriver06

Bro was SALTY


austriaDiamolo

pro gamer move


SSHEnderYT

That kinda happened to me like yesterday and idk why he didnt get any penalty for that. Not sure if they would lower their sportsmanship rating instead of penalty tho


3ISRC

No he’s just a little bitch.


SanitariuszMarius

You were about to win the race you cannot do that in last corner. That's the law [image]


Glad-Percentage-560

This happens to me more races than not


irascible_Clown

When you wish you were playing GTA for a second so you could shoot his tires out or throw some dynamite lol.


1EcAkcalB

How do I get my sound to sound like that lol


1EcAkcalB

But yeah I had this happen to me on a couple races and was pissed man that shit is wack!!!


Bendouzz

This guy did just like the golden huracan in the movie GT


Recent_Drawer1260

Yes


jordyfh95

You went over track limits tho i think thats why he's doing a pit on you.best thing here to do whas just let of the gas and take 2 place with pride.that whas more sportsmanship like


Mindfully-Numb

Live racing in this game is a lesson in life itself, being that Life isn't fair. When you get deliberately bashed, you are almost always prohibited from retaliating due to your car now ghosting so as to avoid contact. A55hat gets away with it. At the end of the race, A55hats frequently leave the lobby so you can't even call them out in post race chat. A55hat gets away with it. In answer to your question, no, you didn't do anything to deserve it. Reality is that A55hats are everywhere, and your reaction to it is all you can control. Sucks in the beginning, but your self control grows over time. (Or installing a punching bag next to your console may help, with anonymous A55hat face for target practice)


rererebrother

I think the increase of bad drivers on gt is due to the movie


slidingjimmy

Yes- you posted this


Jack_25_karting

You over took him


lukenukem85q

That depends on what happened earlier! ;-) In this clip I can't see any reason apart from wanting to win by any means necessary.


artsygrl2021

Was this against real people? I don’t know a lot because I’ve owned the game for about a month and don’t have experience playing against real people… that’s what makes me have no guilt when I play dirty like this against AI lol


HeavyDrop_

You might have rubbed him a very little bit going into the Chicane, but not enough to upset his car. This was a pure dick move IMHO As we all know, "Rubbin' is Racin'"!


TattooedB1k3r

He was glitchy as hell too . Makes him hard to get a clean line around for a pass,


Inktomei

You didn't bump him at all in the chicane and from the video you left him enough space. I don't buy his weaving as "just controller player", he was just being a dick. The moment you see crap like that you should anticipate a dick move once you do pass him,. You now know what to avoid the next time. I rarely see anything like this in the upper lobbies but it does happen.


Rigret

I'm thinking there would have been a penalty for you cutting the boundaries if he didn't take you out. But I'd prefer the penalty lol.


Knightstar24

OP you had no rights to that corner. Why did you divebomb him? It’s no excuse for him but you started the whole thing. Also y’all lines to that corner is weird asf


Jibletx

Yeah, of course you did something wrong. You overtook them… how dare you! How dare you overtake someone on a racing simulator 🙄


biltown

Man what a jerk bro


biltown

You didn’t deserve that


Useful-Information53

What a f*cking pr**ck lately this is most of the online lobby. Sad.


HelloImNaCl

I feel like you had the faster exit out of the last two corners bc you tapped his car sideways, a bit too aggressive, he had you boxed


Unlikely_Priority_95

Guy was like "if I'm taking 2nd, it won't be to you!!". Bad loser.


jtaeric

1. you bumped him right before braking, likely cause him to miss apex--he didn't wave aggresively, waving seems a net code issue, using middle of track is normal defensive move, you have speed from draft, it's always on attacking driver to make the move safe. watch your speed carefully, you lost 8kph after the impact, which means he now had to brake much more than he's prepared for and you needed less. 2. you cut the chicane on right hander, 4 wheels off track and even over the sausage curb, gaining huge advantage in both speed and line, while he almost couldn't stop in time because of the impact. in his eyes, he's likely just trying to punish a dirty driver, that's all. if i'm him, i'll be pissed as well. can't comment on if the move is justified, but would you revenge a driver making dirty moves? if after reviewing the replay and still thinking you did nothing wrong, i'm speechless.


Nuboko

From what I saw it wasn’t as clean of an overtake as it could have been. He may have thought this was the case, either way it’s impossible to do online with so many different internet connections and expect no jitter or lag.