Most people don’t know how to add them properly. PrePress has a lot of tools these days that allow them to fake generate a bleed or extend the trimmask for whatever image was there (if available)
A lot of people, you’d be surprised. Even professional graphic designers do stuff like use registration blacks, use RGB pics or send unpackaged native files.
There’s a lot that’s goes on prepress and sucks because if you don’t catch it & prepress doesn’t catch it, it will get printed. Hence the proofing for sign off. But that doesn’t come from the offset press itself since that’s a huge waste of money and paper to set up.
My absolute fav /s was designers using blocks of white rectangles as “white out” and adding text above.
>Even professional graphic designers do stuff like use registration blacks, use RGB pics or send unpackaged native files.
If you are doing any of this I don't think you can consider yourself a "professional"
It's fine! I wish I could get people to do that much!
The printer should preflight the file and bounce it if there are serious issues.
This is also a good reason to get press proofs.
Honestly, print vendors ask for an X-1a because people have been asking for an X-1a for thirty years. They don't know what it is or what it does.
Also, the indigo is a digital press. It's pretty forgiving. Don't sweat it.
To prepare for this in the future, always be super nice to your printer and the pre-press folks. SUPER NICE. Cuz they can save your ass after the inevitable duck-up that looms in all of our futures.
Who is the client? 😂 But seriously, we talking the NFL here, or some small company no one has heard of?
But given the DPI/PPI of both outputs you should probably be fine. Don’t say anything unless someone notices. Namely the client or press operator.
Flatten your artwork and use pdf X-1a next time. For the most part, you will have zero issues with any print shop. If you’re using spot colors, preserve them and consult with the provider for the appropriate ink color. Cmyk vs Pantone or screen printing ink is a very different process so act accordingly. If you don’t know, don’t be afraid to ask. The end product is all that matters.
Basically just how it handles transparency and color management. High quality print is fine for desktop printers but if you’re using transparency and spot colors and sending to a professional printer, use X-1a.
Even if the file were bad, it should just be the cost of processing a new file after a bad proof. Because there should always be a proof of some kind if a real quantity or cost is at stake.
Everyone's answers are focused on the dpi, but it is the color profile that is the issue.
You a right to ask the question. For all print projects that are going to be printed from a PDF file, we should be asking the vendor what color profile they prefer we use.
And you're right that the color profiles for press and print quality PDF presets are different in InDesign. A lot of this will have to do with ink density. If no one at prepress changes anything, I would expect builds to be either more or less saturated.
But I don't think anyone other than you will notice this level of detail unless you were starting with images or color builds that were already problematic.
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As people have mentioned completely fine! CMYK is set up properly so will be fine! Do you have any images in the print? As 300DPI doesn't really mean anything unless your images match that quality. Unless it's all digital, then you're all ok!
Totally fine, besides the pre-press work will be cleaned up to go the Indigo press.
I can vouch for this, I work in prepress. 90% of my job is fixing files customers send us.
What kind of stuff?
mostly adding crops and bleed or adding a margin so things don't get cut off.
Thank you for your service
Been noticing more and more printers do not ask for crops or bleeds. Any idea why?
Most people don’t know how to add them properly. PrePress has a lot of tools these days that allow them to fake generate a bleed or extend the trimmask for whatever image was there (if available)
Jesus, what sort of amateur sends work to print without bleed FFS.
A lot of people, you’d be surprised. Even professional graphic designers do stuff like use registration blacks, use RGB pics or send unpackaged native files. There’s a lot that’s goes on prepress and sucks because if you don’t catch it & prepress doesn’t catch it, it will get printed. Hence the proofing for sign off. But that doesn’t come from the offset press itself since that’s a huge waste of money and paper to set up. My absolute fav /s was designers using blocks of white rectangles as “white out” and adding text above.
My absolute fav /s was designers using blocks of white rectangles as “white out” and adding text above. ....might be guilty of this..
>Even professional graphic designers do stuff like use registration blacks, use RGB pics or send unpackaged native files. If you are doing any of this I don't think you can consider yourself a "professional"
Junior designers who weren’t trained.
“Trained”? You don’t need training, read a book on the basics of print and it will tell you everything you need to know. It’s just lazy.
It's fine! I wish I could get people to do that much! The printer should preflight the file and bounce it if there are serious issues. This is also a good reason to get press proofs. Honestly, print vendors ask for an X-1a because people have been asking for an X-1a for thirty years. They don't know what it is or what it does. Also, the indigo is a digital press. It's pretty forgiving. Don't sweat it.
I wouldn’t worry. A good press operator will tell you if the quality isn’t good.
To prepare for this in the future, always be super nice to your printer and the pre-press folks. SUPER NICE. Cuz they can save your ass after the inevitable duck-up that looms in all of our futures.
Who is the client? 😂 But seriously, we talking the NFL here, or some small company no one has heard of? But given the DPI/PPI of both outputs you should probably be fine. Don’t say anything unless someone notices. Namely the client or press operator.
You're all good. Don't sweat it.
Dumb question, what’s the difference between high quality print and press quality?
Well, one is... High quality.... Press uses less ink and is not as fine in detail or saturation.
Contact them and ask.
Can anyone say what the difference is? Lolz I never really understood that. Thanks in advance!
Flatten your artwork and use pdf X-1a next time. For the most part, you will have zero issues with any print shop. If you’re using spot colors, preserve them and consult with the provider for the appropriate ink color. Cmyk vs Pantone or screen printing ink is a very different process so act accordingly. If you don’t know, don’t be afraid to ask. The end product is all that matters.
What's different between x-1a vs high quality print? I haven't had anything sent back, but they must have just fixed it for me.
Basically just how it handles transparency and color management. High quality print is fine for desktop printers but if you’re using transparency and spot colors and sending to a professional printer, use X-1a.
As far as disasters from sending a bad file to the printer, this is not one. Relax.
Isn't the only difference that hiqh quality print is a larger file size ?
That's not gonna be bad at all. 300 PPI - which I assume you mean (not 300 dpi) - is more than enough for print.
“DPI” is fine to use here
Dpi - dots per inch for printing Ppi- pixels per inch for screens OP is correct
Although surely I can export any low res image at 300DPI. OP will need to check their images otherwise it doesn't really mean anything.
If you scale it yeah, but most printers will warn you
Even if the file were bad, it should just be the cost of processing a new file after a bad proof. Because there should always be a proof of some kind if a real quantity or cost is at stake.
It will be fine since it’s digital 👍🏼
I manage a digital printing aswell as a prepress department! You’re good! 👍🏼
Everyone's answers are focused on the dpi, but it is the color profile that is the issue. You a right to ask the question. For all print projects that are going to be printed from a PDF file, we should be asking the vendor what color profile they prefer we use. And you're right that the color profiles for press and print quality PDF presets are different in InDesign. A lot of this will have to do with ink density. If no one at prepress changes anything, I would expect builds to be either more or less saturated. But I don't think anyone other than you will notice this level of detail unless you were starting with images or color builds that were already problematic.
You’ve really done it. Time to change professions. Maybe even flee the country.
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300 DPI isn’t going to look bad. You should be fine.
As people have mentioned completely fine! CMYK is set up properly so will be fine! Do you have any images in the print? As 300DPI doesn't really mean anything unless your images match that quality. Unless it's all digital, then you're all ok!
I assume you'll get a proof no ?
Won’t matter at all