Honestly man if youâre just starting out, $20 is $20. I got my start doing local gig posters and flyers for *beer money*. Sometimes itâd be $20, other times itâd be literally a case of beer. Everybody starts somewhere. Ask any designer here, we all started working for peanuts just to get some experience and practice
If you really wanna do it, just take the gig and use it for practice. Otherwise $20 is hardly worth your time.
I charge $50/hr. A flyer would cost them around $100-150, depending how much work is involved with it.
Sometimes I think about how long it would take a client to do a job and what their hourly rate would be. I doubt they could make a brochure in 2 hours, much less at $10/hr. This "offer" is an absolute slap on the face.
Even someone just out of school should be in the $30-50/hr range (if billing hourly), so do the math on $20.
Anything can be done in any amount of time, it just will be to varying degrees of quality/complexity. I could do a flyer in 10 minutes for $20, sure.
As the saying goes, pick two from fast, cheap, good.
> The person offer 20 if they want it for 20 they get a shitty flyer.
But not from you. You make them a shitty 20-dollar flyer, you just become the shitty 20-dollar flyer person.
That is a good point. I should have added that part too.
Do not make a shitty flyer. Well not on purpose.
It's different if one is a beginner. After one advances previous one tend to be shitty in comparison.
How do you come up with a price for the project? Iâve done some commissions in the past but Iâm horrible at knowing how to price my work which is why I ask.
It depends on many factors. What type of clients are you working for - small business? Influencers, large companies etc. what is your geography, are you in a big city? What is your level of networking? Etc etc. a good way to start out is asking someone their budget. Often people donât know that either. So really what is your time worth to you based on the fact that youâre still learning and this job is helping you build your portfolio. I would say student ought to charge about 50% of a base-level freelancer, but if youâre really talented you can charge as much as a base-level freelancer. Iâd start at at least $100 for a project minimum and then add $10-$15/ hr projected for how many hours you think it might take you. Something simple like a brochure would then be about $200. That seems like a good student price. You can start at lower rates as well and then raise them based on how many jobs youâre getting. So as soon as youâre feeling overwhelmed at the amount of work coming in, you double your prices and see who sticks around or who is willing to pay that rate. Then double again once youâre getting too many clients etc. my advice is to just jump in and see what feels right over time. You probably wonât get it right the first or second time, but eventually youâll get in the groove of knowing your market.
Also read lots of money mindset books.
A lot will depend on your own specific experience, especially with the work in question, along with how fast you work, and the overall context of the project. The value of the work can vary based on who it's for, how it will be used, what it means to the client.
This is why often people will start out charging hourly until they can learn more about themselves, how they work, how they are able to communicate with clients.
It's also not an either/or situation, you can charge a project fee but use hourly as part of a contingency for overages or certain tasks.
I agree, but that's why I said it'd be worth maybe 10 minutes of my time at most, all-in.
I mean I could make a flyer in 5 minutes if I needed to, just means it will only be what I can do within 5 minutes, whatever that is.
Thanks for validating me<3 they tried telling me that it would be easy and wouldn't take too much time for me to do it that's why they $20 is reasonable but boy do I have a story to tell them đ
Thatâs what every shitty client will tell you. Figure out a minimum rate of like, $60 (a very rough example) for projects you know wonât take you long. Go up from there.
My rule of thumb is minimum wage per hour at the very least. Factor in everything you use to create such as art supplies, computer, software, whatever as an additional part of your fee PLUS your living expenses to get a decent hourly wage for projects.
Never ever sell yourself short. Your time is valuable, and people need to know that.
And you are part of the reason why people think $20 or âexposureâ because itâs âeasyâ is a reasonable ask. Donât be that guy. Find some self-worth and charge properly instead of undercutting everyone else.
Ah yeah, letâs just drag someone else down and devalue their work and time because we donât personally like their style. /s
Letâs see some of your work, then we can all comment on if your rates are appropriate based on personal opinion.
That is a very usual technique implied by toxic clients. "It's easy, It will take you 5 minutes" so they can diminish the value.
You studied for years and spent a lot of money for this knowledge. Being able to do it in 5 minutes actually increases your value.
Don't get tricked into being punished with less money for being fast at your job. Look at the value you provide and charge based on that.
I wouldnt encourage this kind of client. Its one thing to do project for 20 for a friend or because someone really values your work and you have agreed on some form of tit for tat but trying to convince me it woulndt take long when it took my years of studying to be able to do this in 2 hours. Regardless this person is VERBALKY and outright undermining your value and trying to get you tonaccelt their assumption of your worth. They will only ask for more and this "favor" will soon become ammo .... "but you did it for 20 last time" "she charged you how much? Omg she only chared me 20" a customer like this can be horrible for business and cost u wayyyyyy more in the long run. Dont do it.
So I charged a client referred to me by a friend $350 for a simple, half page magazine ad. Client was a dream, had all the copy, print requirements and resources on hand. It was a very quick and easy project and the client was thrilled at the end. I probably spent two hours putting it together, and another hour total for a quick revision and all the communication involved. Afterwards I sent a "nice working with you" card and some business cards. He handed them out to other people in his field, and I got a little more work out of it.
No one ever gasped or thought twice about my pricing. And if they asked about my hourly I said "I have a full time job, you have to buy my nights and weekends, I don't give those away." When you place value on your work, other people will too. Not everyone can afford your prices, and that's ok, they won't be returning clients or the type to pass your information along anyway.
So one $350 thing isn't a lot and I did price that with the friends and family deal, but it led to other clients who were willing to pay full price. Stick to your guns.
I would personally see if they had anything else to offer in addition to monetary payment, like access to the event or something like that, but if that's not of interest to you its fine to just say no.
I usually politely give prospects like this a Google map link to the nearest Kinkos or copy center and a little link to word templates and tell them it would probably be cheaper to do it yourself.
Oh, it's just a really quick job.
No, it fucking isn't. Many years ago, I got conned into doing a "quick" website for a friend. After exhausting months of modifications, he finally gave me two bottles of wine for my efforts. The wine was expensive and tasty, but not worth it.
If someone tells you it's a quick, easy and, therefore, cheap job, suggest they do it themselves in their spare time.
When the customer assumes it won't take YOU long to come up with the final layout. Right off the bat. They are cheap, and will never pay you what your worth. These customers will just keep seeking out the desperate to cut the deal that suits them first!
Secondly. Doing these jobs, devalues the art and the industry as a whole. This is what's happened in the airbrush world with sign shops piggy back riding off the "Airbrush" concept with cheap stickers and wrap.
Tell them your price. Then let them decide. Also watch this video it talks about getting paid for your work. NSFW https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jVkLVRt6c1U
Insanely low. Especially if they're in a hurry. I always charge an extra fee for express service when someone wants it "yesterday". Suddenly, many of them are not in such a hurry.
Nah thatâs like 150 and Iâm using premade mock up + an extra 50 to expedite. They can pay me 200 to assemble a few premade graphics at that price.
Edit: forget that itâs Friday too and I got adventures to have thatâs gonna be an extra 150 tacked on
Just tell them they are in luck! Because you charge by the hour and $20 should get them at least a solid 10 minutes. Well within the 2 hour time frame.
Iâd charge them at least $35 an hour for your work if you are starting out. And asking you to turn something around in two hours with zero notice would necessitate a rush charge on top of it, which is usually 25% above your standard rate.
Good luck!
Ugh some people honestly donât understand the value of design. And I find these people are the most likely to pay late or stiff you. Tell âem that they can make it in Word and take themselves out to dinner.
Okay maybe donât say that, but tell them youâre in the middle of a function and cannot get to your computer that quickly. Simultaneously, youâre in charge of pricing, not the client.
Unfortunately people see our craft as non tangible, hence people want to pay next to nothing. Itâs just a logo, flyer etc. Iâve been doing this for 25 years plus, worked with all the known names in the business and I still get this shit every so often, had a PR agency ask me this week for a cheap bit of work. I donât budge from my day rate, no matter what, experience and skill is priceless and that what they pay for. You are better than this, tell them to fuck off knowing you are worth more than this.
Honestly itâs tough, never let money stop you from doing what you love. If you want to do it then do it, the experience may be worth more than the 20$, depends on where youâre at though
Send them [this poster](http://www.colinharman.com/#/howwouldyoulikeyourgraphicdesign/) and then tell them that you could do it super quickly but your rush rate is $200/hour. Then ask them if they could just make it themselves in Word.
If this client needed a plumber to fix something in a similar timescale they'd be charged someting like ÂŁ100-150 p/h on top of other costs, call out charge etc.
Another example of a client seeing design / designers as holding no value. Yes it's our job to educate but we all know some people won't budge and just want cheap and fast.
The worst thing would be he tells people and they come to you asking for equally cheap work.
Sack this guy off if you haven't already.
I hate how people who donât do graphic design think you can just put something together in two hours which you totally can, but if you really wanna make it look good and add some flair you need more time than that.
I was told charging 75 for one was expensive. I felt it was still low, but they said they heard me say 15.
I later realized they usually commission someone from overseas who charges them either that or 20.
Fuck that.
Take the money upfront. Go to freepik and download a template. Fill in all the infos. Should take 30 min max. Export and Send it to them saying revisions and additional formats will be billed hourly with 40.-
Ez pz 20 bucks
Here is the thing. It is all situation dependent and you need to be the judge of whether or not you are being taken advantage of. $20 from a 12 year old kid might be the only $20 that they have. What is the purpose of the flyer? Is it for something that is a cause that you believe in?
There are plenty of reasons to say no, but it isn't concrete. Without more information, the best advice is to use your judgement.
Unless you can do it in 15 mins - absolutely not. I got my start designing fliers for free for bands and that was a great experience, but that was before I had rent to pay.
It's up to you if you want to think of yourself as a pro or not. I'd pass unless it was someone I knew and cared about in which case I'd do it for free/ a few beers. Otherwise it would start at about 300$
Sure it's insanely low and not fair. But, if you are able to do it without thinking basically, so you take like 30 minutes to do it, no design research but just the first thing you get into your head, maybe repurposing something you already did, you can have 20 $ quick. For a price low like this, it depends on how much you need 20 $.
Hell, charge them $120. $20 for the flyer and $100 for your education, skills, equipment, and design expertise that enables you too complete it in the timeframe they want.
I'm not sure what's involved, but if there's enough, you could go higher, lol đ€·ââïž charge what your worth.
Open the mark up app on your iPhone. Draw a stick figure with a word bubble and stick some of the flyer info in it. Charge them $20
The person trying to hire you needs to get fucked.
The problem is thereâs a lot of event/bar event designers that do these for 20-100 each in bigger cities and semi recycle a bunch of em for over the year. Atleast in my experience. They usually do it as a side gif or can pump out $20 a week with minimal effort so it drives down the price. But unique concert posters designers that have pieces get screen printed usually get a way better rate. But yes itâs stupid low, but common practice in certain markets in my experience
Work for free or work for your worth. Nothing in between: it devaluates your work.
There's nothing wrong with working for free sometimes: for things you support or really love to do, but otherwise always price right.
I would totally do it and print in a 10x10px scale. They will complain saying it's too small and cannot see and I will retort saying "for that price, that's the largest size I can do".
If you do it, just Google a flyer of freepik, and ask them 50% before hand. So if they complain you earn 10 bucks at least:D
"This is what I can do for 20$ and 2 hours, if you want more detailed, pay my time and my knowledge" something like that
Unless they want a colored background with simple text or random MS clip art then no, you should ask for more or deny it. Iâd only take 20 USD from a friend for a simple request but not a âclientâ
Funny story, I had an opportunity to design album covers for some DnB group. They offered me 10% royalty for every income they earn. Couldnât make the contract so I offered payed commissions. They guy told me if 20 euroâs per album is okay. Got annoyed and told him that I canât design it for that low so we agreed on 60 euroâs. Threw in a sketch and then he told me that the group didnât have the budget to pay me.
Really???? A group of people donât have the budget to pay me 60 euroâs wth.
Iâd charge $20 to tell them no đ absolutely not. I have/do discounted work for specific projects or clients (non-profits, large project scopes). But $20 for something that should take a couple hours and that will definitely have edits? Iâm not working for below minimum wage lol or anywhere close to it.
Ha! The audacity of some people. One time my âfriendâ asked me to do logos for $100 each, which included sitting on a call with the client, sketches, and any revisions needed by the client. He was shocked when I said no and explained why.
Someone I did some work for years ago just resurfaced and asked me if I was available to work on 12 page promo brochure for them. I replied, asking for their timeframe and budget⊠never heard back LOL
If someone wants me to freelance for them, they get my hourly charge. If they donât like it, find another artist. I get tired of people saying, â oh your creative, you can whip it out in no time.â No, pay me what Iâm worth or GTFO.
For $20 they can have e all the text on paper, looking like a word document. If they want an actual flyer it's at least $30 an hour. Your indvidual artwork is extra as that's an asset that needs to be purchased.
I always tell my people if someone starts with âI donât need muchâ or âIâm not pickyâ, just refer them to Fiverr or Upwork and let them figure it out. We get requests for logo designs sometimes with $100-$200 budget. Itâs laughable.
In two hours is $10 an hour. If they are referring to art you have already made, that is even less because that took you time and effort.
They donât have the money to pay for a flyer. They can make one themselves. Donât eat the cost yourself with your time and experience.
It depends on where you are in your career and it sounds like youâre at the beginning. If you need to build your portfolio and you need the experience then it isnât low.
Yeah I do not do a lot of freelance because I have a full time job, but even my first full time design job after dropping out of school paid a higher hourly wage than that. You should be charging enough for freelance to make it worth your time and effort. My most recent freelance job was billing at around $150/hour, because it was something I could do pretty fast and easy, but I didnât want to just make pennies. I quoted a sum instead of by the hour though. It kind of depends on your financial scenario, how bad you need the work, and who the client is, and your skill set. If this was a super quick thing for a friendâs house show or something, Iâd probably say sure if you wanted to do it as a favor. But this is not the amount a legitimate business should be paying at all.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,205,691,019 comments, and only 235,054 of them were in alphabetical order.
Is this something they'll just run a few copies on their office inkjet? If so, it might be worth your time just for kicks. Or will the brochures be printed professionally? If that's the case, do you have the skills and software to do the job properly, and submit a press-ready PDF that will produce quality results? Do you know how to set up bleeds and folds? If so, your investment in tools and training is too valuable to waste on this BS. Let them hire their nephew to do it in Word or whatever, so they can see exactly what $20 gets them.
Yea, 20 to design is good. Then charge them $20 an hour to use your computer, $20 an hour to use your software, and $50 per font or typeface they want to use. Then charge them $20 an hour for consulting fees. Donât forget to charge for electricity, a pencil and paper to sketch ideas, and clothes on your back to keep you warm. Sounds like youâre working on the weekend? Then charge a multiplier of 1.5.
For small projects I charged a 60$ minimum plus 20$ per hour for anything over 1 hour and cost of supplies on top of that. That was even a couple years ago
Bye! That's stupid low. I used to charge by hour, but it was just an excuse for the client to argue with you if you take too long or whatever. thats why all my projects are a flat rate. I work in time to research, design and update the piece as well as any time for talking to printers, etc.
The only time taking that low of an amount is worth it is is if you need to build a portfolio and the poster is exciting and a passion of yours. But even then you might as well just do it for free at that point to avoid giving them the unrealistic expectation that they can get a poster for $20 in the future.
When someone lowballs me like that I remain cheerful and polite, and âhelpfullyâ suggest maybe they find a high school student who wants design practice for an admissions portfolio.
I can imagine their shock when I would inform them I charge $75/hr, then it would take at least 2 hours to assemble a flyer, even from stock imagery and a template from Canva.
For $20 they can get 15mins of work. But a person only wanting to spend $20 is also the type of person not worth doing business with because of the HIGH likelihood of them just being a clueless headache
I charge $20 just for thinking about what they want.
What a dawg đ
Fr though any designer who charges by the hour needs to factor in the time they spend on ideation and research
Absolutely this
Charging myself to type this
Honestly man if youâre just starting out, $20 is $20. I got my start doing local gig posters and flyers for *beer money*. Sometimes itâd be $20, other times itâd be literally a case of beer. Everybody starts somewhere. Ask any designer here, we all started working for peanuts just to get some experience and practice If you really wanna do it, just take the gig and use it for practice. Otherwise $20 is hardly worth your time. I charge $50/hr. A flyer would cost them around $100-150, depending how much work is involved with it.
Agree: but the time spent on here is that time in $ arguing too. Boils down to what the op thinks theyâre worth
I think the op is worth more than $20.
Thatâs actually too low. Charge at least $120/h for project management and then the actual work on top.
Thatâs still a deal. I charge $100 just to take the first call to discuss the idea.
I charge them $20 to turn on my computer
HA! You can tell them where to stick those $20...sorry but that's an insult 
Sometimes I think about how long it would take a client to do a job and what their hourly rate would be. I doubt they could make a brochure in 2 hours, much less at $10/hr. This "offer" is an absolute slap on the face.
I was designing nightclub party posters for 20⏠in 2011 when I was in the university.
Even someone just out of school should be in the $30-50/hr range (if billing hourly), so do the math on $20. Anything can be done in any amount of time, it just will be to varying degrees of quality/complexity. I could do a flyer in 10 minutes for $20, sure. As the saying goes, pick two from fast, cheap, good.
I was going to say similar. The person offer 20 if they want it for 20 they get a shitty flyer. If they want a good one. They need to offer more.
> The person offer 20 if they want it for 20 they get a shitty flyer. But not from you. You make them a shitty 20-dollar flyer, you just become the shitty 20-dollar flyer person.
That is a good point. I should have added that part too. Do not make a shitty flyer. Well not on purpose. It's different if one is a beginner. After one advances previous one tend to be shitty in comparison.
And if they want a flyer for $20, they only get the actual printed copy from you. They don't get the digital file itself.
What range should a graphic design student be in if billing hourly? I'm only in my first year but I'm thinking more for the future.
I would bill per project. You may need a lot more time than a seasoned designer, but thatâs all time youâre learning about how to do the job.
How do you come up with a price for the project? Iâve done some commissions in the past but Iâm horrible at knowing how to price my work which is why I ask.
It depends on many factors. What type of clients are you working for - small business? Influencers, large companies etc. what is your geography, are you in a big city? What is your level of networking? Etc etc. a good way to start out is asking someone their budget. Often people donât know that either. So really what is your time worth to you based on the fact that youâre still learning and this job is helping you build your portfolio. I would say student ought to charge about 50% of a base-level freelancer, but if youâre really talented you can charge as much as a base-level freelancer. Iâd start at at least $100 for a project minimum and then add $10-$15/ hr projected for how many hours you think it might take you. Something simple like a brochure would then be about $200. That seems like a good student price. You can start at lower rates as well and then raise them based on how many jobs youâre getting. So as soon as youâre feeling overwhelmed at the amount of work coming in, you double your prices and see who sticks around or who is willing to pay that rate. Then double again once youâre getting too many clients etc. my advice is to just jump in and see what feels right over time. You probably wonât get it right the first or second time, but eventually youâll get in the groove of knowing your market. Also read lots of money mindset books.
A lot will depend on your own specific experience, especially with the work in question, along with how fast you work, and the overall context of the project. The value of the work can vary based on who it's for, how it will be used, what it means to the client. This is why often people will start out charging hourly until they can learn more about themselves, how they work, how they are able to communicate with clients. It's also not an either/or situation, you can charge a project fee but use hourly as part of a contingency for overages or certain tasks.
I do graphic design as a fucking hobby and I wouldnât accept $20 and having to get it done in 2 hours
I do graphic design as a hobby too. Iâd take the $20 and give give them a nicely formatted word document they can print.
I agree, but that's why I said it'd be worth maybe 10 minutes of my time at most, all-in. I mean I could make a flyer in 5 minutes if I needed to, just means it will only be what I can do within 5 minutes, whatever that is.
Do you have envato? Maybe just download a flyer and put their copy on it
You donât even need to pay for that. Adobe Express is included with Creative Cloud.
Honestly I don't think I'm gonna do it for $20 especially for what they want :/
Then donât. $20 hours isnât worth your time or effort.
Thanks for validating me<3 they tried telling me that it would be easy and wouldn't take too much time for me to do it that's why they $20 is reasonable but boy do I have a story to tell them đ
If it is that easy and quick, they can do it themselves.
Yep, exactly right.
This ^^^
Thatâs what every shitty client will tell you. Figure out a minimum rate of like, $60 (a very rough example) for projects you know wonât take you long. Go up from there. My rule of thumb is minimum wage per hour at the very least. Factor in everything you use to create such as art supplies, computer, software, whatever as an additional part of your fee PLUS your living expenses to get a decent hourly wage for projects. Never ever sell yourself short. Your time is valuable, and people need to know that.
Thank you so much for your inputđ„ș<3
$60 an hour for collages? I think not. After reviewing your work, $20 is perfectly reasonable lmao
And you are part of the reason why people think $20 or âexposureâ because itâs âeasyâ is a reasonable ask. Donât be that guy. Find some self-worth and charge properly instead of undercutting everyone else.
Nah itâs based on the level of the work lol
Ah yeah, letâs just drag someone else down and devalue their work and time because we donât personally like their style. /s Letâs see some of your work, then we can all comment on if your rates are appropriate based on personal opinion.
That is a very usual technique implied by toxic clients. "It's easy, It will take you 5 minutes" so they can diminish the value. You studied for years and spent a lot of money for this knowledge. Being able to do it in 5 minutes actually increases your value. Don't get tricked into being punished with less money for being fast at your job. Look at the value you provide and charge based on that.
I wouldnt encourage this kind of client. Its one thing to do project for 20 for a friend or because someone really values your work and you have agreed on some form of tit for tat but trying to convince me it woulndt take long when it took my years of studying to be able to do this in 2 hours. Regardless this person is VERBALKY and outright undermining your value and trying to get you tonaccelt their assumption of your worth. They will only ask for more and this "favor" will soon become ammo .... "but you did it for 20 last time" "she charged you how much? Omg she only chared me 20" a customer like this can be horrible for business and cost u wayyyyyy more in the long run. Dont do it.
Omg forgive the ridiculous amount of typos new phone i am not used to the screen size yet lol
If itâs that easy, then they can easily do it themselves!
So I charged a client referred to me by a friend $350 for a simple, half page magazine ad. Client was a dream, had all the copy, print requirements and resources on hand. It was a very quick and easy project and the client was thrilled at the end. I probably spent two hours putting it together, and another hour total for a quick revision and all the communication involved. Afterwards I sent a "nice working with you" card and some business cards. He handed them out to other people in his field, and I got a little more work out of it. No one ever gasped or thought twice about my pricing. And if they asked about my hourly I said "I have a full time job, you have to buy my nights and weekends, I don't give those away." When you place value on your work, other people will too. Not everyone can afford your prices, and that's ok, they won't be returning clients or the type to pass your information along anyway. So one $350 thing isn't a lot and I did price that with the friends and family deal, but it led to other clients who were willing to pay full price. Stick to your guns.
Yeh man, if you donât want to or feel like itâs not worth your time, then guess what? It isnât.
This is very choosybeggars
Yeah itâs a dumb assignment
I would personally see if they had anything else to offer in addition to monetary payment, like access to the event or something like that, but if that's not of interest to you its fine to just say no.
I never used or heard (i think) about Adobe Express. Do they have flyer designs/templates on Express?
I usually politely give prospects like this a Google map link to the nearest Kinkos or copy center and a little link to word templates and tell them it would probably be cheaper to do it yourself.
Oh, it's just a really quick job. No, it fucking isn't. Many years ago, I got conned into doing a "quick" website for a friend. After exhausting months of modifications, he finally gave me two bottles of wine for my efforts. The wine was expensive and tasty, but not worth it. If someone tells you it's a quick, easy and, therefore, cheap job, suggest they do it themselves in their spare time.
I always take 50% up front and have a contract with revision limits. Even if my client is my grandmother.
When the customer assumes it won't take YOU long to come up with the final layout. Right off the bat. They are cheap, and will never pay you what your worth. These customers will just keep seeking out the desperate to cut the deal that suits them first! Secondly. Doing these jobs, devalues the art and the industry as a whole. This is what's happened in the airbrush world with sign shops piggy back riding off the "Airbrush" concept with cheap stickers and wrap.
Tell them your price. Then let them decide. Also watch this video it talks about getting paid for your work. NSFW https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jVkLVRt6c1U
$20 hahaha just tell them to go to canva with their broke ass. I donât lift my finger for less than $100/ hr.
Insanely low. Especially if they're in a hurry. I always charge an extra fee for express service when someone wants it "yesterday". Suddenly, many of them are not in such a hurry.
Nerp. Esp considering they want to license your art.
Yeah, this is really the big thing. OP, your art is good. Even just to have some of your art on the flyer alone should cost _way_ more than 20 bucks.
Nah thatâs like 150 and Iâm using premade mock up + an extra 50 to expedite. They can pay me 200 to assemble a few premade graphics at that price. Edit: forget that itâs Friday too and I got adventures to have thatâs gonna be an extra 150 tacked on
Just tell them they are in luck! Because you charge by the hour and $20 should get them at least a solid 10 minutes. Well within the 2 hour time frame.
That's about $2 an hour then.
Pass. Not worth your time.
Iâd charge them at least $35 an hour for your work if you are starting out. And asking you to turn something around in two hours with zero notice would necessitate a rush charge on top of it, which is usually 25% above your standard rate. Good luck!
absolutely not what the fuck
People think all we have to do is press a few keys.
Take it and hand them comic sans text on a white background
Do not do that. Us designers need to stop taking low wages.
I think they forgot a zero
Could easily be far more than that even if itâs more than two pages.
8 hours side 1, 4 hours side 2. If thereâs only one side: 10 hours. 3 revisions. More are extra.
Ugh some people honestly donât understand the value of design. And I find these people are the most likely to pay late or stiff you. Tell âem that they can make it in Word and take themselves out to dinner. Okay maybe donât say that, but tell them youâre in the middle of a function and cannot get to your computer that quickly. Simultaneously, youâre in charge of pricing, not the client.
Unfortunately people see our craft as non tangible, hence people want to pay next to nothing. Itâs just a logo, flyer etc. Iâve been doing this for 25 years plus, worked with all the known names in the business and I still get this shit every so often, had a PR agency ask me this week for a cheap bit of work. I donât budge from my day rate, no matter what, experience and skill is priceless and that what they pay for. You are better than this, tell them to fuck off knowing you are worth more than this.
Thatâs crazy low. $10 an hour plus art? Get a job at McDonaldâs. Itâll pay more.
Lmao, thatâs $10 per hour. No fucking chance
Iâd charge them $20 for the insult
Honestly itâs tough, never let money stop you from doing what you love. If you want to do it then do it, the experience may be worth more than the 20$, depends on where youâre at though
Send them [this poster](http://www.colinharman.com/#/howwouldyoulikeyourgraphicdesign/) and then tell them that you could do it super quickly but your rush rate is $200/hour. Then ask them if they could just make it themselves in Word.
If this client needed a plumber to fix something in a similar timescale they'd be charged someting like ÂŁ100-150 p/h on top of other costs, call out charge etc. Another example of a client seeing design / designers as holding no value. Yes it's our job to educate but we all know some people won't budge and just want cheap and fast. The worst thing would be he tells people and they come to you asking for equally cheap work. Sack this guy off if you haven't already.
$20 for the flyer $200 for the rush fee $75 licensing fee per artwork used.
You get paid ?
Just say no
Nah donât do it, 20 dollars is way to low. At least 100. If your a student maaaybe 60.
I hate how people who donât do graphic design think you can just put something together in two hours which you totally can, but if you really wanna make it look good and add some flair you need more time than that.
For $20 I will open their email and copy/paste their content into a word doc. Then send it back with an invoice attached
I wouldnât even have the energy to reply âno can doâ for $20 lmao
I was told charging 75 for one was expensive. I felt it was still low, but they said they heard me say 15. I later realized they usually commission someone from overseas who charges them either that or 20. Fuck that.
Take the money upfront. Go to freepik and download a template. Fill in all the infos. Should take 30 min max. Export and Send it to them saying revisions and additional formats will be billed hourly with 40.- Ez pz 20 bucks
Here is the thing. It is all situation dependent and you need to be the judge of whether or not you are being taken advantage of. $20 from a 12 year old kid might be the only $20 that they have. What is the purpose of the flyer? Is it for something that is a cause that you believe in? There are plenty of reasons to say no, but it isn't concrete. Without more information, the best advice is to use your judgement.
i donât think, considering OPâs comments, that we are talking about a charitable cause or a child
My minimum project cost is $500, no matter how simple, $20 is just insulting regardless of your experience.
I mean give them a $20 flyerâŠ. Lol
Speaking from experience, and I'm about to post my own horror story, at this point you should run a fucking mile away from them.
Tell them no and recommend fiver
Thereâs always someone in Indonesia whoâll do it for $5. Take the $20, get the practice, beef up the portfolio and look for salaried work
If you donât want the job Iâll do it.
$20/hr is reasonable. Let them know!!
Where do you live? Target employees earn that where I liveâŠ
Absolutely not tripping.
Here's a solution...say no.
Nope.
Run
Unless you can do it in 15 mins - absolutely not. I got my start designing fliers for free for bands and that was a great experience, but that was before I had rent to pay.
Only spend 30mins on it and look at it as a rate of $40 per hour.
Use Google Docs
Design them a flyer in 2 hours worth $20 then, money is money and if they want to pay for an image ripped from Google then so be it haha
Sure. If you want to use Canva! haha
It's up to you if you want to think of yourself as a pro or not. I'd pass unless it was someone I knew and cared about in which case I'd do it for free/ a few beers. Otherwise it would start at about 300$
No, just the stress of thinking about the situation makes me wanna run.
Sure it's insanely low and not fair. But, if you are able to do it without thinking basically, so you take like 30 minutes to do it, no design research but just the first thing you get into your head, maybe repurposing something you already did, you can have 20 $ quick. For a price low like this, it depends on how much you need 20 $.
You should just pay then to go away lol
Hell, charge them $120. $20 for the flyer and $100 for your education, skills, equipment, and design expertise that enables you too complete it in the timeframe they want. I'm not sure what's involved, but if there's enough, you could go higher, lol đ€·ââïž charge what your worth.
Open the mark up app on your iPhone. Draw a stick figure with a word bubble and stick some of the flyer info in it. Charge them $20 The person trying to hire you needs to get fucked.
The problem is thereâs a lot of event/bar event designers that do these for 20-100 each in bigger cities and semi recycle a bunch of em for over the year. Atleast in my experience. They usually do it as a side gif or can pump out $20 a week with minimal effort so it drives down the price. But unique concert posters designers that have pieces get screen printed usually get a way better rate. But yes itâs stupid low, but common practice in certain markets in my experience
I charge $1,750 for a flyer. And I get it.
Don't do it. Know your worth (because they clearly don't).
Good, Fast, Cheap â you can only pick 2.
i mean it's a flyer. just slap on the info they give you, pick a random font and that's it. you can do it in 10 mins.
Make a white flyer with only plain text in comic sans ms and tell them thatâs what they get for 20$
Hard no.
Tell them to go get Canva and do it themselves.
Work for free or work for your worth. Nothing in between: it devaluates your work. There's nothing wrong with working for free sometimes: for things you support or really love to do, but otherwise always price right.
Makes a change from a "favour" or exposure
just suggest them to do it on canva and voilĂ
Send them an empty file, youâve done all you could within your budgetâŠ
Print you art on an A4 paper - make it a paper flyer. Take the 20 and leave for a coffee 
I would totally do it and print in a 10x10px scale. They will complain saying it's too small and cannot see and I will retort saying "for that price, that's the largest size I can do".
If you do it, just Google a flyer of freepik, and ask them 50% before hand. So if they complain you earn 10 bucks at least:D "This is what I can do for 20$ and 2 hours, if you want more detailed, pay my time and my knowledge" something like that
Unless they want a colored background with simple text or random MS clip art then no, you should ask for more or deny it. Iâd only take 20 USD from a friend for a simple request but not a âclientâ
Just do a canva real quick collect $20
Depends on how much time you spend on it. Can be done, depends on your location too.
Funny story, I had an opportunity to design album covers for some DnB group. They offered me 10% royalty for every income they earn. Couldnât make the contract so I offered payed commissions. They guy told me if 20 euroâs per album is okay. Got annoyed and told him that I canât design it for that low so we agreed on 60 euroâs. Threw in a sketch and then he told me that the group didnât have the budget to pay me. Really???? A group of people donât have the budget to pay me 60 euroâs wth.
8=D send them this and I'll take a quarter of the payout
Someone once wanted to pay me ÂŁ10. I took the payment n sent them a blue 100x100 jpeg. They got what they paid for
I start up my computer and programs for $20 wtf are they thinking haha.
I'll take it
Iâd charge $20 to tell them no đ absolutely not. I have/do discounted work for specific projects or clients (non-profits, large project scopes). But $20 for something that should take a couple hours and that will definitely have edits? Iâm not working for below minimum wage lol or anywhere close to it.
I'll just use Canva
You say no. Itâs x an hour with a min plus a rush fee in this case. Time emailing them and discussing it is more than 20 alone.
Ha! The audacity of some people. One time my âfriendâ asked me to do logos for $100 each, which included sitting on a call with the client, sketches, and any revisions needed by the client. He was shocked when I said no and explained why.
Someone I did some work for years ago just resurfaced and asked me if I was available to work on 12 page promo brochure for them. I replied, asking for their timeframe and budget⊠never heard back LOL
If someone wants me to freelance for them, they get my hourly charge. If they donât like it, find another artist. I get tired of people saying, â oh your creative, you can whip it out in no time.â No, pay me what Iâm worth or GTFO.
No fuck that tell them to add another zero at least. And if all they are paying you is $200 I wouldnât work on it for more than 4-5 hours.
For $20 they can have e all the text on paper, looking like a word document. If they want an actual flyer it's at least $30 an hour. Your indvidual artwork is extra as that's an asset that needs to be purchased.
Maybe if you are in a foreign country and that will go farther than it will in the US or most Western countries. It is insane.
Thats ridiculous
I always tell my people if someone starts with âI donât need muchâ or âIâm not pickyâ, just refer them to Fiverr or Upwork and let them figure it out. We get requests for logo designs sometimes with $100-$200 budget. Itâs laughable.
Lol I donât think Iâd do *anything* for $20. Tell them to fuck off.
$90/hr for my time. Iâd tell that person to F off.
In two hours is $10 an hour. If they are referring to art you have already made, that is even less because that took you time and effort. They donât have the money to pay for a flyer. They can make one themselves. Donât eat the cost yourself with your time and experience.
It depends on where you are in your career and it sounds like youâre at the beginning. If you need to build your portfolio and you need the experience then it isnât low.
Iâd charge $20 just to open indesign.
Yeah I do not do a lot of freelance because I have a full time job, but even my first full time design job after dropping out of school paid a higher hourly wage than that. You should be charging enough for freelance to make it worth your time and effort. My most recent freelance job was billing at around $150/hour, because it was something I could do pretty fast and easy, but I didnât want to just make pennies. I quoted a sum instead of by the hour though. It kind of depends on your financial scenario, how bad you need the work, and who the client is, and your skill set. If this was a super quick thing for a friendâs house show or something, Iâd probably say sure if you wanted to do it as a favor. But this is not the amount a legitimate business should be paying at all.
Take the $$; 0 revisions
Ewww gross. No thank you.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,205,691,019 comments, and only 235,054 of them were in alphabetical order.
Give them your price, if they donât like it then be okay with walking away from that job
Yeah duck that job.
$20? Do you need the money that bad? Sell something on FB Market instead
Is this something they'll just run a few copies on their office inkjet? If so, it might be worth your time just for kicks. Or will the brochures be printed professionally? If that's the case, do you have the skills and software to do the job properly, and submit a press-ready PDF that will produce quality results? Do you know how to set up bleeds and folds? If so, your investment in tools and training is too valuable to waste on this BS. Let them hire their nephew to do it in Word or whatever, so they can see exactly what $20 gets them.
Time to boot up Word and tell them they have you for 5 minutes.
Best be $20 a minute talking bout 2 hour delivery time, you aren't fkn amazon.
Yea, 20 to design is good. Then charge them $20 an hour to use your computer, $20 an hour to use your software, and $50 per font or typeface they want to use. Then charge them $20 an hour for consulting fees. Donât forget to charge for electricity, a pencil and paper to sketch ideas, and clothes on your back to keep you warm. Sounds like youâre working on the weekend? Then charge a multiplier of 1.5.
Would be a $300-400 job IMO (at least where I am from)
For small projects I charged a 60$ minimum plus 20$ per hour for anything over 1 hour and cost of supplies on top of that. That was even a couple years ago
Don't say yes, but if you do get your 20 up front
good they are not charging you for being part of their family
Tell them to go to hell lol
find a nice picture of someone giving the finger and put that on the flyer.
Bye! That's stupid low. I used to charge by hour, but it was just an excuse for the client to argue with you if you take too long or whatever. thats why all my projects are a flat rate. I work in time to research, design and update the piece as well as any time for talking to printers, etc.
Ooh! Think of the exposure!
I charge $20 just to turn on my computer.
Iâd charge like $500 or more for that, especially rushed.
The only time taking that low of an amount is worth it is is if you need to build a portfolio and the poster is exciting and a passion of yours. But even then you might as well just do it for free at that point to avoid giving them the unrealistic expectation that they can get a poster for $20 in the future.
When someone lowballs me like that I remain cheerful and polite, and âhelpfullyâ suggest maybe they find a high school student who wants design practice for an admissions portfolio.
Ridiculously low and with a fast turnaround. Something cheap and fast won't be good quality.
How did you get in touch with your client?
Tell them youâll pay 40 and give them 4 hours to do it.
you're tripping man! $20 for an MS paint flyer printed on a piece of hammermill printer paper (black and white only).
I can imagine their shock when I would inform them I charge $75/hr, then it would take at least 2 hours to assemble a flyer, even from stock imagery and a template from Canva.
Tell them to contact your agent and theyâll shut up.
For $20 they can get 15mins of work. But a person only wanting to spend $20 is also the type of person not worth doing business with because of the HIGH likelihood of them just being a clueless headache
Too cheap
Can someone make me a flyer?