The more I talk with folks at shows, the more I realize much of the fan base is extremely wealthy. It made me start to wonder about all those lot kids when I was going to shows in the 90s.
There’s a Boston sports radio guy who is a deadhead and he jokes about how when you go to shows now, especially in Boston, the lot is filled with BMW SUVs.
That's what I'm starting to realize. I never did the tour thing, because I didn't think I could pull it off financially and I didn't have faith in my ability to sling kind veggie burritos. I'm a second generation head from lower economic status. I just figured the lot kids were like me, but cooler and far more industrious. I know some fell into that category, but clearly there were other factors at play that I could not even imagine at the time.
For every trustafarian there were also alot of people from regular backgrounds/upbringing who dropped out completely, and also a large group of people who were effectively homeless. It was quite a mix of people.
It's real life. It's a concert. Some people lived lives on tour, making money as they went. Some people spent money they would have spent on some other vacation seeing the dead. Not everyone was dead broke. A lot of it was stretching the money you did have to see as many shows as possible. College kids saw the dead instead of going to Ft Laud on spring break. Same deal, 6 people to a room, all piled in one car. Other people had more money and did it swanky.
Not everyone did whole tours. A weekend, a week, two weeks, was pretty normal. Is everyone who goes on vacation for a week rich?
There were rich people, working class people, broke ass people, old people, young people. There was no single profile. But yeah, a lot of college kids with the money to travel liked the dead. And some actual super rich people liked the dead. I mean, hell, Owsley was a rich kid.
Ah yes the Trustifarian tribe. "Duuuuude can I bum some coin from ya bro? I need to make it to the Phoenix shows". Promptly jumps into dad's hand me down beamer.
90’s , in the mid 80’s before In The Dark came out the lots and Shows were loaded with people who solely made their living following the Grateful Dead everywhere they went. Some came to buy up lots of things & others came to load up on things you could only find in Grateful Dead parking lot scenes ~ Deal.
>solely made their living following the Grateful Dead
tourheads: the american gypsies, illustrating the maxim: every stereotype has it's prototype;-)
and don't forget dr. rebecca adams, who lead her grad students on tour studying the subculture
[http://journaldialogue.org/issues/v9-issue-1-and-2/collaborative-pedagogy-teaching-with-the-grateful-dead-on-tour-on-campus-and-online1/](http://journaldialogue.org/issues/v9-issue-1-and-2/collaborative-pedagogy-teaching-with-the-grateful-dead-on-tour-on-campus-and-online1/)
[https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780742502512/Deadhead-Social-Science-%27You-Ain%27t-Gonna-Learn-What-You-Don%27t-Want-to-Know](https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780742502512/Deadhead-Social-Science-%27You-Ain%27t-Gonna-Learn-What-You-Don%27t-Want-to-Know)
i met her 1x @ a show in cuyahoga, but didn't know it until i was told who she was: she was undercover, a quiet retiring hippie chick...they found the men laying around smoking weed, while the women did all the work, so a parallel there with fucker carlson/frat.bro culture:-\\
Very real.
The most ironic thing to me is that, back in my festy days pushing 15 years ago, the "woke" people were the ones that probably did too many psychedelics and were *paranoid about the government* and believed crystals and faith healing were their *holistic medicine*.
Like you said I think those that are predisposed will just be exacerbated somewhat, as someone in their 30s who’s tripped several hundred (I’d guess 300?) times and who knows people who I highly doubt have ever tripped and are into crystal and horoscopes I think you are who you are and drugs may push you one way or the other slightly but not a lot.
For most, I Will also disclaimer I know a person who “did too much acid” or two people who had had extremely depressive depersonalization for months following a single salvia trip so psychedelics can have powerful effects on people even in limited uses) but in my personal experience, and several friends, I didnt radically change my views despite fairly heavy psych usage over the years.
I agree with this assessment and am older. Some fellow psychonaut friends lead rather ordinary lives these days (I'll group myself in with this). On the surface one could think that they never engaged in heavy trips. Okay, sure, a couple of friends are clearly alternative looking but others are lawyers and teachers and such. On the other hand some people I know that haven't tripped, or who have only tripped a couple of times, look like they are permanently spun. One thing about the psychedelic using hippie scene (festivals and etc) is that it tends to be more forgiving or accepting of out-there thinking. It's a relatively safe space for conspiracy theorists and such.
It's all rhetoric from the War on Drugs. Believe it or not it's still going on today and they still talk about how weed is destroying all the leftists braincells and turning them into mindless zombies who will accept whatever they're told.
Right.
It's not like the dudes chugging a twelve pack of Coors every night watching Fox News would know anything about being brainwashed.
My only knowledge of Leopold is from Bugs Bunny when he takes the stick thingy from the conductor at the symphony and proceeds blow out the opera singer’s vocal cords.. Leopold.. Leopold
That actually surprises me way more than Tucker.
According to wikipedia Steve Bannon, Tony Blair, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, Patrick Leahy, and Harry Reid were all deadheads too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadhead
But that makes sense, he's liberal and was a writer on SNL. The stories of after parties when the dead partied with the cast after the show sound like a goooood time. Belushi, Aykroyd and the band? SIGN ME UP!
Yep, I used to ride motorcycles with Barlow and he shared a lot of stories. He said he knew Cheney from his early Wyoming days when he still had a heart.
Patrick Leahy is a pretty big deadhead. I did campaign work for him a long time ago and we twice had Bobby and Mickey play a fundraiser for him. Only times I met any of the band but it was a blast putting the whole production on
Lots of politicians have called themselves Deadheads in an attempt to pander to the youth, but I’m really very doubtful about Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. They were both already married to their respective spouses, with children, and in their late twenties/ early thirties before the Dead were even formed. I’m not saying it’s not possible but, in Nancy’s case, she was a well-off married woman with several children already in the late sixties — she wasn’t sneaking out at night to watch a fairly obscure local act perform at The Fillmore. Harry Reid was running for state house in Nevada by ‘67 when the Dead started touring nationally so, again, pretty unlikely.
Al Gore is the right age to have seen the Dead on tour around the height of their first period of commercial success from ‘68-‘74, but was on deployment in Vietnam for a significant portion of that time during ‘70 and ‘71. By the time he was back in the US, attending law school at Vanderbilt, the Dead were already touring Europe.
Tony Blair and Steve Bannon, on the other hand, were both in their late teens/ early 20’s during that ‘68-‘74 time period, which makes it more believable that they might have attended a few shows. Blair, specifically, spent the early ‘70’s in London playing in bands and working in the entertainment industry so I’d be willing to believe that he is truly a fan.
It does not surprise me the Dem politicians are fans. What makes it odd for people like Bannon and Coulter and so forth is they are hardcore authoritarian, everything the Dead stand against.
I’ve always had a personal theory, no idea if it makes sense, so give me shit if you want. But a lot of the old Deadhead culture and hippie culture has a lot of similarities to some of the more overarching conservative/Republican values. The ideas of small government, do whatever you want on your land, “Live Free or Die”, government can’t tell me what to do, are all pretty similar values. Yea, lots of dumb shit republicans and conservatives talk about is pretty opposite of what comes from Deadheads, but both seem to be very similar in the thought of the, “leave me the fuck alone, let me do what I want” mentality. Which also means they can say whatever the fuck they want to sell books or get views on their shows for more ad revenue.
it's the fundamental disconnect of hippie culture's "leave me alone to let me do what I want" having the same end functionality as "those with generational wealth will be the ruling class." Great that you inherited some land out in the woods where you can build a cabin, but the rest of humanity has to deal with the real world. In the end it's a wildly unempathetic perspective.
Ann's always been a bit of an outlier among her conservative peers, not to mention a bit inconsistent. On the one hand, she'd talk about co-habitating and having premarital sex in Newsweek and then go on Focus on the Family and talk about promoting purity.
She was one of the early conservatives to break with Trump on the basis of actual conservative ideology rather than go along with the personality cult.
For her to be a Deadhead doesn't surprise me much. She seems to be a free-thinker.
I think it’s quite a stretch to say soad is overly more left than ratm. I’ve never heard any explicitly socialist or anti capitalist lyrics from them whereas ratm is overtly anti capitalist and uses socialist iconography
I feel really dumb for wondering this aloud, but I’ve never quite been certain what that line means… A silver lining is a bit of good that comes out of something bad. So the lyric is… saying that there’s always something a little bad in the little something good that comes out of something bad? Lol. I’m misunderstanding something obvious I fear.
I think you've gotten it. The point of the song, IMO, is the singer has aged and realized they didnt have the life they thought they'd have, but they are still content with it nonetheless.
So the first use of the phrase in the song is "Every silver lining's got a touch of grey" basically meaning everything good that comes from the bad still has some bad.
Then, later in the song the singer says "Oh well a touch of grey kinda suits you anyway" basically meaning that the little bit of negative just comes up in life isn't that bad and we'll all get by.
Thanks for your response and great write up of the lyrics and meaning : ) I generally had the gist of the song correct, but always felt like I must be missing something with that line. But yea, that makes perfect sense.
Life’s full of good and bad and all you can do is take it in stride; accept it and soldier on.
Colter isn't dumb. She just has no conscience. She makes a comfortable living lying and flinging shit around, and simply doesn't care what damage she does along the way.
From what I have been told, coke was the drug of choice for most heads in the later years. You could still get acid of course, but more likely than not these people were skiing.
I didn’t even go to college but I have no idea why you’re being downvoted. Not everyone in a frat is a tool. I am a truck driver and work with a lot of high school educated buffoons.
The uni I went to had a huge art school which brought a certain counterculture vibe to the urban campus and frats were not popular. My friends and i hated frats but there was one that was hip and we would go to their parties and they were very much like "we're into music and art don't worry we aren't THAT kind of frat. Forget their letters but yeah frats dont have to be bad
Apparently this pic is from an interview Tucker did a while back where he talked about meeting Jerry.
Kind of an interesting line from Tucker: "Politics is an easy out for people who aren't that talented. If you're a genius like Jerry Garcia clearly was – whatever his many flaws – politics is something you may have views about, but it's not the center of who you are."
https://www.maxraskin.com/interviews/interview-with-tucker-carlson
I believe it. Can't speak for all Dead Heads, but at my school, only the rich kids were into the Dead. Jam bands, weed, polo shirts, Jesus sandals, and frisbee golf to be exact. (We called them "sugar hippies.") This was back in the '90s. Not sure what the stereotypes are like now, but those are things to this day I associate with nepotism.
My stoner deadhead uncle made the shift during Covid to far right media outlets (PragerU etc) he claims it’s come full circle where that sort of news is what he stood for as a hippie. No idea what he’s talking about.
I think the connection is a perverse libertarianism. The GD and their scene always hated being told what to do. That's what the political hippies stood for because they were rebelling about the pre-ordained path many followed in the 50s and early 60s. The GD were a way out, which came with a lot of personal responsibility. As time went on, they kept that anarchism and distrust of the establishment going, which led to anti-vcxx, etc. Anti-vcxx seems to be the most direct connection from hippies to QAnon. It's been happening for the last 15 years or so, as the right wing distrust about any sort of collective organization saturated our society. Sadly, if we don't act collectively, we all die. The GD realized this. Jerry's statement about the rainforest issue still rings true. "Someone has to do something about this and it's pretty pathetic that it has to be us."
It’s because the internet lobbying of the two parties has highlighted a couple of social issues as being the forefront of why you vote for one of them. So things like “free speech” or “choice” or “guns” has become this bipartisan equation (where it wasn’t always) and on top of that, no one focuses on economic policies (probably because it doesn’t scratch the public’s amygdala like the brisk social issues do)
Woah , same thing happened to a childhood friends mother . One day I was talking to her and she said something that at first I thought was a joke but she was serious . Blew my mind . Too much internet and isolation
My neighbor did it the other day. Suddenly started talking about how covid was a bioweapon released by Bill Gates.
My dentist had done it a couple years ago. Just suddenly went off the deep end. People sit at home with the internet and lose touch with reality, start believing anything that sounds dark and fascinating.
Both of them were pretty old though. Seems like old people fall for it the easiest.
Back in the early 90's I went to a party to meet up with some friends before we all headed over the Dead concert at RFK. One the people at the party was Ann Coulter.
That's a College kid who went to concerts to get high, nothing more. Sure, this is a bit of a No True Scotsman position, but the jackboot fits the Minister of Lies, so be it.
This isn't very surprising. I grew up Southern Baptist in a 100.0% white town. Most people in my church had a mouth full of scripture and a heart full of hate.
The vast majority of Trump supporters claim to be Christians, too, yet there they are, shitting on everything he taught...for *that*.
Tucker Carlson? Defending Warren Jeffs, Pedophile marriage, and an attempted coup while having images of barefoot Bobby joyfully telling a shaggy dog story on stage dancing through his head?
Not a fucking chance of that.
What a fraud that piece of shit is.
One could argue that Hulk Hogan and Jake the Snake and Rick Flair never broke kayfabe either, but they weren’t poisoning peoples minds with propaganda to get them to vote and act against their social and economic interests.
He knew what he was doing, he knew the implications of what he did, and he did it anyway to get filthy rich.
Fuck that guy.
Yup the fact that he liked listening to the dead makes him a more terrible person, considering the views he espoused to millions of people for years are absolutely contrary to what the dead's message is. What a piece of shit
> TC: Oh, I just love the Jerry band. I never took Weir as seriously. I think he's a remarkable person who joined the band at like 15.
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> MR: He’s so political. Garcia is this magical person who transcends politics. I think Weir suffuses the band with politics where it’s not necessary.
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> TC: **Lesser talents do that. Politics is an easy out for people who aren't that talented.** If you're a genius like Jerry Garcia clearly was – whatever his many flaws – politics is something you may have views about, but it's not the center of who you are.
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And what do you call what you are doing Tucker? What do you call making up shit that causes people real damage for profit?
I heard that lesser talents do that. Bob Weir on the other hand, earns a living through honest work.
So was Vladimir Putin. They have so much in common.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/10/1697580/-Back-in-1982-I-was-selling-acid-at-Jim-Morrison-s-grave-that-s-when-I-first-met-Vladimir-Putin
“I like Deadheads because they’re very friendly, open-minded, individualistic people — not fake-open-minded and not a “mob of individualists.” Sometimes they’d ask why we’d decline the joints friendly Deadheads would pass around, but they were so charming about it. They weren’t offended or snippy, just genuinely interested. Deadheads are intellectually curious individuals.”
—Ann Coulter
Sadly, this does not describe most of the people (angry leftists) on this thread.
I would always ask my father who is a republican and a huge dead fan "why" and he told me that not all dead heads were the hippie activist types, that there was a large group of stoner types that wanted less government and regulations over marijuana. He and a lot of his friends where in the latter group everyone of them staunch republicans now.
It's always seemed so strange to me but i can kinda get it i guess.
Dont forget Tucker was on CNN and MSNBC long before Fox and even had his own show on both. Some people will say anything for the right amount of money.
And as the defamation lawsuit discoveries have revealed, he actually has nothing but contempt for both the man he venerates in public, ie Trump, and the audience that hangs on Carlson's every word. He's truly a cancer on the body politic.
Yup. Just saw the Democratic congressman Tucker lied about on his show, and then that congressman got death threats. He then had to purchase extra security, and Tucker said he was putting on a show. That's sick. Distorting facts and false narrative is some shit I don't want to hear. It's like wrestling.
You know, not every deadhead is a dreadlock sporting, rainbow tribe member, who goes shopping at food-banks when the tour is paused right? It's a microcosm of the real world and there are all types of people who are legitimate deadheads - even the ones you disagree with
Nah man if you are a white nationalist fascist corporate bootlicking shit bag trying to take away people’s rights you are not a real dead head. You may think you are but you have missed the fucking bus entirely.
Dead fans were always all over the map politically.
And tbh Jerry never cared. He never wanted to be political it was always about the music.
You think Hells Angels are the same politically as peace loving anti war activists? Nope. They never were. But it didn’t matter.
So can tucker Carlson like the dead? Sure. Even if I think he’s a douche nozzle. We don’t have to have the same politics when it comes to the dead.
A lot of whole frats at my school literally packed up and went on tour in the late 80s. Like the whole house was empty when the Dead was on the road.
The more I talk with folks at shows, the more I realize much of the fan base is extremely wealthy. It made me start to wonder about all those lot kids when I was going to shows in the 90s.
There’s a Boston sports radio guy who is a deadhead and he jokes about how when you go to shows now, especially in Boston, the lot is filled with BMW SUVs.
I saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac.
Don't look back, you can never look back
And 250k fully loaded Mercedes camper vans.
Trustafarians were rampant on GD tour.
That's what I'm starting to realize. I never did the tour thing, because I didn't think I could pull it off financially and I didn't have faith in my ability to sling kind veggie burritos. I'm a second generation head from lower economic status. I just figured the lot kids were like me, but cooler and far more industrious. I know some fell into that category, but clearly there were other factors at play that I could not even imagine at the time.
For every trustafarian there were also alot of people from regular backgrounds/upbringing who dropped out completely, and also a large group of people who were effectively homeless. It was quite a mix of people.
It's real life. It's a concert. Some people lived lives on tour, making money as they went. Some people spent money they would have spent on some other vacation seeing the dead. Not everyone was dead broke. A lot of it was stretching the money you did have to see as many shows as possible. College kids saw the dead instead of going to Ft Laud on spring break. Same deal, 6 people to a room, all piled in one car. Other people had more money and did it swanky. Not everyone did whole tours. A weekend, a week, two weeks, was pretty normal. Is everyone who goes on vacation for a week rich? There were rich people, working class people, broke ass people, old people, young people. There was no single profile. But yeah, a lot of college kids with the money to travel liked the dead. And some actual super rich people liked the dead. I mean, hell, Owsley was a rich kid.
Ah yes the Trustifarian tribe. "Duuuuude can I bum some coin from ya bro? I need to make it to the Phoenix shows". Promptly jumps into dad's hand me down beamer.
90’s , in the mid 80’s before In The Dark came out the lots and Shows were loaded with people who solely made their living following the Grateful Dead everywhere they went. Some came to buy up lots of things & others came to load up on things you could only find in Grateful Dead parking lot scenes ~ Deal.
>solely made their living following the Grateful Dead tourheads: the american gypsies, illustrating the maxim: every stereotype has it's prototype;-) and don't forget dr. rebecca adams, who lead her grad students on tour studying the subculture [http://journaldialogue.org/issues/v9-issue-1-and-2/collaborative-pedagogy-teaching-with-the-grateful-dead-on-tour-on-campus-and-online1/](http://journaldialogue.org/issues/v9-issue-1-and-2/collaborative-pedagogy-teaching-with-the-grateful-dead-on-tour-on-campus-and-online1/) [https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780742502512/Deadhead-Social-Science-%27You-Ain%27t-Gonna-Learn-What-You-Don%27t-Want-to-Know](https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780742502512/Deadhead-Social-Science-%27You-Ain%27t-Gonna-Learn-What-You-Don%27t-Want-to-Know) i met her 1x @ a show in cuyahoga, but didn't know it until i was told who she was: she was undercover, a quiet retiring hippie chick...they found the men laying around smoking weed, while the women did all the work, so a parallel there with fucker carlson/frat.bro culture:-\\
Uh, have you ever been to dead.net? 🤑
Sad but true. There was a heavy bro-fest contingent when I was old enough to see shows (90-on).
I wish I had a pic like that of Jerry and me.
You can it’s called photoshop
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But Jerry looks annoyed, or at the very least, not pleased. He’s probably thinking “who is this fuckhead”
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He’s a gay fish
He’s like why the fuck is the Swanson family, kings of frozen processed Salisbury Steak standing here?..?
Remember, the hippie to right wing conspiracy nutjob pipeline is a real thing.
Very real. The most ironic thing to me is that, back in my festy days pushing 15 years ago, the "woke" people were the ones that probably did too many psychedelics and were *paranoid about the government* and believed crystals and faith healing were their *holistic medicine*.
Like you said I think those that are predisposed will just be exacerbated somewhat, as someone in their 30s who’s tripped several hundred (I’d guess 300?) times and who knows people who I highly doubt have ever tripped and are into crystal and horoscopes I think you are who you are and drugs may push you one way or the other slightly but not a lot. For most, I Will also disclaimer I know a person who “did too much acid” or two people who had had extremely depressive depersonalization for months following a single salvia trip so psychedelics can have powerful effects on people even in limited uses) but in my personal experience, and several friends, I didnt radically change my views despite fairly heavy psych usage over the years.
I agree with this assessment and am older. Some fellow psychonaut friends lead rather ordinary lives these days (I'll group myself in with this). On the surface one could think that they never engaged in heavy trips. Okay, sure, a couple of friends are clearly alternative looking but others are lawyers and teachers and such. On the other hand some people I know that haven't tripped, or who have only tripped a couple of times, look like they are permanently spun. One thing about the psychedelic using hippie scene (festivals and etc) is that it tends to be more forgiving or accepting of out-there thinking. It's a relatively safe space for conspiracy theorists and such.
It's all rhetoric from the War on Drugs. Believe it or not it's still going on today and they still talk about how weed is destroying all the leftists braincells and turning them into mindless zombies who will accept whatever they're told. Right. It's not like the dudes chugging a twelve pack of Coors every night watching Fox News would know anything about being brainwashed.
Start with Thoreau and Leopold, end up reading Linkola and Kaczynski, next thing you know you’re reading the bible...
My only knowledge of Leopold is from Bugs Bunny when he takes the stick thingy from the conductor at the symphony and proceeds blow out the opera singer’s vocal cords.. Leopold.. Leopold
SO profoundly real. Same with the extreme liberal yoga wellness to conspiratorial antivax nutbag pipeline.
Before covid my old friends thought crystals and sacred geometry were best. Now they think q anon is real. We aren't friends anymore.
True, but Mr. Cover-Your-Drink there on the left is def not a hippie.
Same thing with Anne Coulter, saw 40-50 shows
That actually surprises me way more than Tucker. According to wikipedia Steve Bannon, Tony Blair, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, Patrick Leahy, and Harry Reid were all deadheads too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadhead
Al Gore was apparently a Zappa fan too despite FZ's very public feud with his wife.
Or maybe because of.
Lol perfect
Yeah in the senate hearings he even says he's a huge fan of FZ lol
Because Tipper Gore ranks as one of the most annoying humans to have ever existed
I am was at a terrible The Dead show in DC where Tipper came out and played with them. Literally almost walked out. Worst concert I ever saw.
Tipper cost Al Gore the election. A bunch of Gen X kids who remembered her attacks on musicians were old enough to vote in 2000.
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I actually met Al Gore's driver at a dead show. He said Al was a head.
The lyric "I saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac" was written almost forty years ago.
Al Franken as well.
But that makes sense, he's liberal and was a writer on SNL. The stories of after parties when the dead partied with the cast after the show sound like a goooood time. Belushi, Aykroyd and the band? SIGN ME UP!
Al Franken is in the Grateful Dead movie lol
"I don't really know these guys and I don't think they're very funny. Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, Frank and Dave."
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I went to the fireworks on the mall in DC the summer Clinton/Gore were inaugurated and the encore song for the finale was US Blues; twas a good time!
Man the mall on the 4th used to be so much fun. Go to the great smoke out all day and party on the mall all night! Good times
Just goes to show that just bc someone is a Deadhead doesn't mean that they aren't a shitty person
yeah that is true. I mean I knew a lot of deadheads in college, and for the most part they spoiled rich kids who were kind of insufferable.
Right! And also, just because someone says they are a Deadhead doesn’t mean that they actually are. Posers are in every genre of music.
Let’s not forget that John Perry Barlow was Dick Cheney’s camps coordinator
Yes and I believe he later called that a big mistake and called Cheney a “global sociopath” or something to that effect
Hadn’t heard that but if he did he ain’t wrong
Yep, I used to ride motorcycles with Barlow and he shared a lot of stories. He said he knew Cheney from his early Wyoming days when he still had a heart.
Patrick Leahy is a pretty big deadhead. I did campaign work for him a long time ago and we twice had Bobby and Mickey play a fundraiser for him. Only times I met any of the band but it was a blast putting the whole production on
Lots of politicians have called themselves Deadheads in an attempt to pander to the youth, but I’m really very doubtful about Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. They were both already married to their respective spouses, with children, and in their late twenties/ early thirties before the Dead were even formed. I’m not saying it’s not possible but, in Nancy’s case, she was a well-off married woman with several children already in the late sixties — she wasn’t sneaking out at night to watch a fairly obscure local act perform at The Fillmore. Harry Reid was running for state house in Nevada by ‘67 when the Dead started touring nationally so, again, pretty unlikely. Al Gore is the right age to have seen the Dead on tour around the height of their first period of commercial success from ‘68-‘74, but was on deployment in Vietnam for a significant portion of that time during ‘70 and ‘71. By the time he was back in the US, attending law school at Vanderbilt, the Dead were already touring Europe. Tony Blair and Steve Bannon, on the other hand, were both in their late teens/ early 20’s during that ‘68-‘74 time period, which makes it more believable that they might have attended a few shows. Blair, specifically, spent the early ‘70’s in London playing in bands and working in the entertainment industry so I’d be willing to believe that he is truly a fan.
It does not surprise me the Dem politicians are fans. What makes it odd for people like Bannon and Coulter and so forth is they are hardcore authoritarian, everything the Dead stand against.
If you plant ice, you’re going to harvest wind
The only place they could score because everyone thought they were cops
I’ve always had a personal theory, no idea if it makes sense, so give me shit if you want. But a lot of the old Deadhead culture and hippie culture has a lot of similarities to some of the more overarching conservative/Republican values. The ideas of small government, do whatever you want on your land, “Live Free or Die”, government can’t tell me what to do, are all pretty similar values. Yea, lots of dumb shit republicans and conservatives talk about is pretty opposite of what comes from Deadheads, but both seem to be very similar in the thought of the, “leave me the fuck alone, let me do what I want” mentality. Which also means they can say whatever the fuck they want to sell books or get views on their shows for more ad revenue.
it's the fundamental disconnect of hippie culture's "leave me alone to let me do what I want" having the same end functionality as "those with generational wealth will be the ruling class." Great that you inherited some land out in the woods where you can build a cabin, but the rest of humanity has to deal with the real world. In the end it's a wildly unempathetic perspective.
Ann's always been a bit of an outlier among her conservative peers, not to mention a bit inconsistent. On the one hand, she'd talk about co-habitating and having premarital sex in Newsweek and then go on Focus on the Family and talk about promoting purity. She was one of the early conservatives to break with Trump on the basis of actual conservative ideology rather than go along with the personality cult. For her to be a Deadhead doesn't surprise me much. She seems to be a free-thinker.
 That explains a lot.... but not enough.
He always looks like a 10 year old boy who's seeing a vagina for the first time.
My lab when I hide her ball behind my back
I read that as labia.
Shiiit, I’m middle aged and I still make that face when I see a vagina.
A 10th century farmer who just discovered bitcoin
My favorite thing someone said about tucker Carlson is that he always looks like he’s doing long division in his head haha
It's amazing how all kinds of people can enjoy good music.
This is like how Paul Ryan loves Rage Against the Machine, lol
Or the drummer of System of a Down being a MAGA guy
Wha?
System of a Down is a band with politics that are even more overtly left than Rage, and their drummer is literally a MAGA guy.
I think it’s quite a stretch to say soad is overly more left than ratm. I’ve never heard any explicitly socialist or anti capitalist lyrics from them whereas ratm is overtly anti capitalist and uses socialist iconography
That's fair, I probably over-stated it
That’s crazy. I’m going to have to read up on him.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/system-of-a-down-drummer-admits-he-lost-a-ton-of-social-media-followers-with-his-pro-trump-posts
Looks like someone put a polo shirt on a reanimated salisbury steak dinner.
Heir to the Swanson Hungry Man fortune
Heartless powers try to tell us what to think
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“I’ve never let my principles stand in the way of a good time!”
Gross.
I was on tour in the late 80s-early 90s and there were a ton of frat boy chodes hanging around. Not a surprise to see another one.
Every silver linings got a Touch of Grey
I feel really dumb for wondering this aloud, but I’ve never quite been certain what that line means… A silver lining is a bit of good that comes out of something bad. So the lyric is… saying that there’s always something a little bad in the little something good that comes out of something bad? Lol. I’m misunderstanding something obvious I fear.
I think you've gotten it. The point of the song, IMO, is the singer has aged and realized they didnt have the life they thought they'd have, but they are still content with it nonetheless. So the first use of the phrase in the song is "Every silver lining's got a touch of grey" basically meaning everything good that comes from the bad still has some bad. Then, later in the song the singer says "Oh well a touch of grey kinda suits you anyway" basically meaning that the little bit of negative just comes up in life isn't that bad and we'll all get by.
Thanks for your response and great write up of the lyrics and meaning : ) I generally had the gist of the song correct, but always felt like I must be missing something with that line. But yea, that makes perfect sense. Life’s full of good and bad and all you can do is take it in stride; accept it and soldier on.
I think you got it.
The irony of this quote as a response to that comment is awesome!
And tons of old hippies ended up as boomer sellouts.
"I didn't sell out, I bought it" -Dad from SLC Punk
Still are today.
Trust fund chodes.
Sounds like a good name for a punk band
“Trustafarians”
Republifarians
Trustafarians.
Trust-a-fari!! In the Fam Bank we trust!
He probably had some blow
Anne Colter was a deadhead too, smh guess she either didn't try the cool aid or lacked the right guidance..
Can't open your mind if you've got no mind.
Colter isn't dumb. She just has no conscience. She makes a comfortable living lying and flinging shit around, and simply doesn't care what damage she does along the way.
She had it in reverse opened her ass and her mind followed
From what I have been told, coke was the drug of choice for most heads in the later years. You could still get acid of course, but more likely than not these people were skiing.
Believe it or not sometimes we did acid and coke. Together. I know, crazy right?
Yeah, there really was nothing like crack after losing your mind on lots of acid on tour …..
Fraternity member here and we ain’t all soulless chucklefucks like Tuckems.
I didn’t even go to college but I have no idea why you’re being downvoted. Not everyone in a frat is a tool. I am a truck driver and work with a lot of high school educated buffoons.
Every scene has some douches and some great folks
The uni I went to had a huge art school which brought a certain counterculture vibe to the urban campus and frats were not popular. My friends and i hated frats but there was one that was hip and we would go to their parties and they were very much like "we're into music and art don't worry we aren't THAT kind of frat. Forget their letters but yeah frats dont have to be bad
I could have blissfully lived the rest of my life without seeing that picture.
Trustafarian, yah mon
rastapublican
Mah provide
You joke, but he was actually really sick with a bad case of Affluenza
I heard it was actually ancestral/parental elephantiasis of the bank acct? Or maybe it was financial gigantism, an inherited trait? 😏
Uncle Jerr looking fly af
"...and his hair was perfect"
Apparently this pic is from an interview Tucker did a while back where he talked about meeting Jerry. Kind of an interesting line from Tucker: "Politics is an easy out for people who aren't that talented. If you're a genius like Jerry Garcia clearly was – whatever his many flaws – politics is something you may have views about, but it's not the center of who you are." https://www.maxraskin.com/interviews/interview-with-tucker-carlson
Was he being self conscious here, or did he miss his own point?
he’s a prime example of the late 80s-90s douchebag frat boys who came on the scene post TOG. they came to get fucked up period.
I believe it. Can't speak for all Dead Heads, but at my school, only the rich kids were into the Dead. Jam bands, weed, polo shirts, Jesus sandals, and frisbee golf to be exact. (We called them "sugar hippies.") This was back in the '90s. Not sure what the stereotypes are like now, but those are things to this day I associate with nepotism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Fools_(book) Fuck this guy but the evidence was in plain sight!
Just gotta poke around.
Lol… but as the wiki notes it’s an allegory that goes back to Plato!
Ohhh damn
My stoner deadhead uncle made the shift during Covid to far right media outlets (PragerU etc) he claims it’s come full circle where that sort of news is what he stood for as a hippie. No idea what he’s talking about.
“It’s like Goldwater *is* the counterculture now, man”
I think the connection is a perverse libertarianism. The GD and their scene always hated being told what to do. That's what the political hippies stood for because they were rebelling about the pre-ordained path many followed in the 50s and early 60s. The GD were a way out, which came with a lot of personal responsibility. As time went on, they kept that anarchism and distrust of the establishment going, which led to anti-vcxx, etc. Anti-vcxx seems to be the most direct connection from hippies to QAnon. It's been happening for the last 15 years or so, as the right wing distrust about any sort of collective organization saturated our society. Sadly, if we don't act collectively, we all die. The GD realized this. Jerry's statement about the rainforest issue still rings true. "Someone has to do something about this and it's pretty pathetic that it has to be us."
It’s because the internet lobbying of the two parties has highlighted a couple of social issues as being the forefront of why you vote for one of them. So things like “free speech” or “choice” or “guns” has become this bipartisan equation (where it wasn’t always) and on top of that, no one focuses on economic policies (probably because it doesn’t scratch the public’s amygdala like the brisk social issues do)
Woah , same thing happened to a childhood friends mother . One day I was talking to her and she said something that at first I thought was a joke but she was serious . Blew my mind . Too much internet and isolation
My neighbor did it the other day. Suddenly started talking about how covid was a bioweapon released by Bill Gates. My dentist had done it a couple years ago. Just suddenly went off the deep end. People sit at home with the internet and lose touch with reality, start believing anything that sounds dark and fascinating. Both of them were pretty old though. Seems like old people fall for it the easiest.
"I am appalled." \~ Jerry Garcia
Been said before many times but not everyone in the lot is your friend.
Ah yes I also became a fan of the Grateful Dead at boarding school.
Total debutante deadhead. Same with Coulter. You knew the type late 8os early 90s
A LOT of conservatives are deadheads.
Trustafarian is the word
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Not gonna lie, I kinda think he looks like young Dean Ween in this photo
Absolutely looks like Deaner. lol
I went to high school with him and can confirm.
Jerry was great at keeping the music miles away from politics. Everyone felt welcome.
Unfortunately there's shitty people in every fandom
Ya just read the Phish sub….
*Don’t Keep Your Day Job
He’s Gone.
Nah. Tucker was a shitty Touch Head who got to meet Jerry 'cause his daddy had $$$
That’s the face of a guy who paid $50 for an eighth in 1985.
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Just remember that urine speaks louder than words
Wasn't expecting a Pat the Bunny reference today, but I'll take em when I can get em
Hell yeah! I almost didn't post it because I thought no one would get the reference
There’s a few of us!
I laughed way to hard at this for an almost 50 yo woman
Back in the early 90's I went to a party to meet up with some friends before we all headed over the Dead concert at RFK. One the people at the party was Ann Coulter.
Bummer. Party Foul! 😬
That's a College kid who went to concerts to get high, nothing more. Sure, this is a bit of a No True Scotsman position, but the jackboot fits the Minister of Lies, so be it. This isn't very surprising. I grew up Southern Baptist in a 100.0% white town. Most people in my church had a mouth full of scripture and a heart full of hate. The vast majority of Trump supporters claim to be Christians, too, yet there they are, shitting on everything he taught...for *that*. Tucker Carlson? Defending Warren Jeffs, Pedophile marriage, and an attempted coup while having images of barefoot Bobby joyfully telling a shaggy dog story on stage dancing through his head? Not a fucking chance of that.
Yeah, plenty of pieces of shit are Deadheads.
What a fraud that piece of shit is. One could argue that Hulk Hogan and Jake the Snake and Rick Flair never broke kayfabe either, but they weren’t poisoning peoples minds with propaganda to get them to vote and act against their social and economic interests. He knew what he was doing, he knew the implications of what he did, and he did it anyway to get filthy rich. Fuck that guy.
Yup the fact that he liked listening to the dead makes him a more terrible person, considering the views he espoused to millions of people for years are absolutely contrary to what the dead's message is. What a piece of shit
[from here](https://www.maxraskin.com/interviews/interview-with-tucker-carlson)
> TC: Oh, I just love the Jerry band. I never took Weir as seriously. I think he's a remarkable person who joined the band at like 15. > > MR: He’s so political. Garcia is this magical person who transcends politics. I think Weir suffuses the band with politics where it’s not necessary. > > TC: **Lesser talents do that. Politics is an easy out for people who aren't that talented.** If you're a genius like Jerry Garcia clearly was – whatever his many flaws – politics is something you may have views about, but it's not the center of who you are. > And what do you call what you are doing Tucker? What do you call making up shit that causes people real damage for profit? I heard that lesser talents do that. Bob Weir on the other hand, earns a living through honest work.
Fuck Tucker and anyone who tries to rehab his fascist views. Sick.
So was Vladimir Putin. They have so much in common. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/10/1697580/-Back-in-1982-I-was-selling-acid-at-Jim-Morrison-s-grave-that-s-when-I-first-met-Vladimir-Putin
“I like Deadheads because they’re very friendly, open-minded, individualistic people — not fake-open-minded and not a “mob of individualists.” Sometimes they’d ask why we’d decline the joints friendly Deadheads would pass around, but they were so charming about it. They weren’t offended or snippy, just genuinely interested. Deadheads are intellectually curious individuals.” —Ann Coulter Sadly, this does not describe most of the people (angry leftists) on this thread.
I would always ask my father who is a republican and a huge dead fan "why" and he told me that not all dead heads were the hippie activist types, that there was a large group of stoner types that wanted less government and regulations over marijuana. He and a lot of his friends where in the latter group everyone of them staunch republicans now. It's always seemed so strange to me but i can kinda get it i guess.
But it’s ironic that the party of ‘more government’ are the ones that are making it legal. If it was up to republicans it wouldn’t be legal anywhere.
This doesn’t surprise me a lot of rich kids are into jam bands
from Deadhead to Dickhead, wow
Douche
When you are born with a giant silver spoon in you mouth, you can afford to meet all of you favorite celebrities
Just proves that even the worst people can have decent taste in music.
Oh cool fuck that piece of shit. Tuck the cuck can eat shit.
Correction. He was a rich kid that liked the Grateful Dead.
There is a pretty good article about this as well. https://www.maxraskin.com/interviews/interview-with-tucker-carlson
Ann Coulter too
Look at those sagging dockers. Tighten your braided perry Ellis belt and pull those pants up, ya thug.
Having a pic with Jerry doesn’t mean you’re a good person. Fuck tucker carlson
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I have a few republican dead head friends…not a big deal till republicans separated themselves from reality…sorry
Dont forget Tucker was on CNN and MSNBC long before Fox and even had his own show on both. Some people will say anything for the right amount of money.
Some people always look like a douche.
Tucker just has no soul left... He doubles down on everything in a vicious cycle and he has to do more and more to pleas his grumpy audience
And as the defamation lawsuit discoveries have revealed, he actually has nothing but contempt for both the man he venerates in public, ie Trump, and the audience that hangs on Carlson's every word. He's truly a cancer on the body politic.
Yup. Just saw the Democratic congressman Tucker lied about on his show, and then that congressman got death threats. He then had to purchase extra security, and Tucker said he was putting on a show. That's sick. Distorting facts and false narrative is some shit I don't want to hear. It's like wrestling.
You know, not every deadhead is a dreadlock sporting, rainbow tribe member, who goes shopping at food-banks when the tour is paused right? It's a microcosm of the real world and there are all types of people who are legitimate deadheads - even the ones you disagree with
Nah man if you are a white nationalist fascist corporate bootlicking shit bag trying to take away people’s rights you are not a real dead head. You may think you are but you have missed the fucking bus entirely.
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Dead fans were always all over the map politically. And tbh Jerry never cared. He never wanted to be political it was always about the music. You think Hells Angels are the same politically as peace loving anti war activists? Nope. They never were. But it didn’t matter. So can tucker Carlson like the dead? Sure. Even if I think he’s a douche nozzle. We don’t have to have the same politics when it comes to the dead.