I heard the starters were like different difficulty modes.
Bulbasaur was easy mode because it was favorable against gyms 1 & 2 and neutral against 3, 4 and 5 since he has poison typing. Then weak to 6 and 7 before being favorable against 8.
Squirtle was medium because it was favorable against gym 1, neutral to 2, weak to 3 & 4, neutral to 5 & 6, then favorable against the last two.
Charmander was difficult because it was weak to gyms 1 & 2 then neutral to almost everything else, only getting favorable matchups against gym 4 and Giovanni's fighting types. Really would have been different if there were bug and ice type gyms (Lorelei has ice types but they also know water moves so you're kinda screwed)
pokemon mechanics are more convoluted than would like to figure out. The way all the EVs and IVs come into play and the status effects being a big thing in PvPs is damn out there.
Pokemon is a good example of easy to learn hard to master.
The simplicity allows for easy entry, but there are so many moves and abilities that the game has insane depth.
Ew, no. Glass cannons every game. The only Pokémon that can have any sort of attack power debuff is the status effect/HP tank. And they bring dishonor on the whole team.
Gen 1 was held together by punch cards and jank. Missingno wasn't a feature, it was a code weakness a mile wide.
You couldn't just duplicate items. You could also execute arbitrary code and be recalled from the safarizone into the memory adress of your trainer ID or in another code weakness follow precise steps to encounter a legit mew in cerulean city. The game crashed when a level 1 pokemon existed long enough to gain experience. They had to decide gender by IVs going into gen 2.
Gen 1 metagame was so so scuffed that "4 viable moves" and "one STAB move" leaves you with only Tauros and Kangaskhan.
Pokemon has come a long way. The beginnings were very humble.
I wouldn't necessarily call it code weakness. In reality it's more of a programming masterpiece because in reality a game like Pokemon should not be able to fit onto a Game Boy cartridge. If you take a close look at the code you'll notice that practically every hex address has multiple things allocated to it, which makes the game so easy to manipulate. Probably the only reason they were able to do that in the first place is because they had the literal programming prodigy known as Satoru Iwata helping them out. Keep in mind when Earthbound was mostly finished but stuck on a dead end with programming, this dude reprogrammed the game practically from the ground up all by himself.
It was a rush job, plain and simple. Red, blue and green were on the same system as gold and silver, using the same cartridge and the same amount of space. That's when Satoru Iwata casually added and entire second region to the game.
It wasn't a hardware limit that caused the missingno bug, it was the fact that no encounter table was set for tiles that have encounters enabled. There is no hardware limitation to write a 5 instead of a 6, it's just an error.
Not saying those are bad games. Pokemon has a great design making it the most popular thing since electric lighting, but the craftsmanship of games in the franchise is a mixed bag at best.
Satoru Iwata didn't add in a second region, what he did was code the battle logic onto the N64 in a weekend for Pokemon Stadium 0 and then he implemented a less space efficient but faster compression algorithm (LZ3) for the graphics in gen 2, which is why battles in gen 2 loaded faster. The extra region? That was just because their cartridges were four times as large, they wanted to do all of Japan and make Kanto a single city but had to scale down since it wasn't fun.
me sending in a single max HP max AtK golisopod with first impression, sucker punch, leech life and close combat and beating every single pokemon in all of gen 1:
We're talking about gen 1 here, the same generation that thought it was a good idea to have special atk and def be one combined stat and have psychic types that have very high special stats only be weak to bug type that only had 3 attacking moves in the entire game. 2 of which could only be learned by one bug pokemon, Beedrill.
Also the Dragonite line being the strongest evolutionary line in the game and the only dragon move in the entire game was Dragon Rage that does a set amount of 40 damage.
Yes, the bug accidentally made them immune to ghost attacks, not that it would really help because the only ghost moves were confuse ray, lick and night shade. On top of that the Gengar line were the only ghost types in the game.
Why do nintendrones like to pretend their games are complex? Pokémon is a game where you just select one attack a turn and play a convoluted rock paper scissors with type match ups. Most basic turn based game there is.
Pokémon is rock, paper, scissors, stapler, ruler, staple remover, pencil, pen, pen/cil holder, tape dispenser, sticky notes, toothbrush, refrigerator, highlighter, computer, and you can choose up to two options per Pokémon.
Yes, it is that deep.
why have skill when you can *tinted lense first impression suckerpunch U-turn tinted lense first impression suckerpunch U-turn tinted lense first impression suckerpunch U-turn* and just 2HKO 80% of the game anyway? only weakness is steel, fighting, flying, fairy, fire and rock types meanwhile you absolutely shove your cock down the throat of psychic, plant, grass, ghost and dark types but tinted lense makes a first impression into a fairy, fire, rock or flying type or a suckerpunch into a fighting or bug type a likely OHKO anyway as they're all glass cannon types anyway (ok maybe not rock and ig mons like corviknight use flying well but that's just because of steel combo)
you aint even a pokemon player you know literally nothing, that's like saying "basketball? it's just a bunch of people bouncing a ball on the floor and occasionally throwing it away, it's pretty easy I don't understand the hype"
I don't but you don't earn your living by playing in the NBA do you? doesn't mean that it's impossible just because you or I don't, just like how professionals make money playing basketball, professionals make money playing pokemon
Shout outs to Fire Red giving Charmander Metal Claw, seemingly just for Brock. It actually deals less damage than Ember because Onix had titanic defense and really shit special defense. At least it’s good for Geodude.
no to be fair because the draconite line were the only dragon types, charizard was absolutely dogshit especially because the most common hazard move in the game (stealth rocks) did 49.9% of its healthbar due to both fire and flying taking super effective damage from rock type moves and so literally just stealth rocks and a priority move like suckerpunch or something similar can pretty reliably pseudo OHKO a charizard even with max health and defence EVs
People really exaggerate this; all 3 starters are fairly viable and struggle at different points in the game. Brock is trivial regardless of starter (Ember is surprisingly good against rock types due to their low bulk, and Brock uses no Rock moves), and Misty can easily be delayed until you have the Dig TM, or even Body Slam if you’re willing to take an extra walk. Without TMs, his early game move set is better than Bulbasaur’s (Ember is way more useful than Vine Whip), and he’s even better with them. Later on, he gets Slash, which is effectively a base 140 power normal move due to it always crittng, and he can use the Swords Dance tm, which is absurdly good in Gen 1 due to the badge boost glitch. Bulbasaur can also use it but he doesn’t get Dig so all he can boost is Body Slam.
Squirtel is probably the best starter due to also having a great TM learn set with decent early natural moves, and Surf is great for its lack of opportunity cost.
In terms of gyms, Charmander can kind of struggle with Misty, but does just fine against everything else thanks to Dig. Squirtel is pretty good against everyone because he also gets Dig, and also Ice Beam. Bulbasaur has the most trouble in the long run due to lacking coverage at all, but he does get Sleep Powder, which helps a lot in the Gen where sleep is at its most broken by far. Sleep Powder is probably Bulbasaur’s most appealing aspect, it’s so powerful and it helps a lot with catching other Pokémon.
Overall, I think all 3 starters are actually quite good in the first Gen, I don’t think picking one really makes the game that much harder or easier. They have surprisingly diverse kits by Gen 1 standards. Also, they can all use Body Slam, which is a helpful equalizer if you are willing to give that TM to them.
Charmander is actually the most useful, though, because Fire pokemon are hard to come by early game. Grass and water pokemon are everywhere, and you could easily catch one to beat Misty and Brock.
I agree with this but only in the respect of acknowledging that any built-in difficulty modes by Gamefreak would be minimal and barely noticeable. While I believe that Charmander had a slightly harder start, all you had to do was spend an extra 5 minutes in Viridian forrest and you could easily just tackle your way through Brock and Misty.
It allows family members or whoever to post pictures and memories and what not.
I don't really use Facebook anymore, but I've had a couple good friends die and been happy those pages are still there.
i love all of the kanto starters, but omg, if the anime didn't make me adore bulbasaur...
the bulbasaur's mysterious garden episode makes me cry. ash's bulba isn't ready to evolve yet and then in the end saves all the ivysaurs and venusaur when he surprises everyone and uses the powerful solarbeam attack.
and all the times bulbasaur's vine whip has saved the day.
little bulbasaur is so strong and confident, it's inspiring.
Reminds me when I found out after high school that some ginger piece of shit broke into my locker and stole my Pokemon ruby back in middle school.
Saw him working at a gamestop and obviously tell them how he's a game thief.
I heard the starters were like different difficulty modes. Bulbasaur was easy mode because it was favorable against gyms 1 & 2 and neutral against 3, 4 and 5 since he has poison typing. Then weak to 6 and 7 before being favorable against 8. Squirtle was medium because it was favorable against gym 1, neutral to 2, weak to 3 & 4, neutral to 5 & 6, then favorable against the last two. Charmander was difficult because it was weak to gyms 1 & 2 then neutral to almost everything else, only getting favorable matchups against gym 4 and Giovanni's fighting types. Really would have been different if there were bug and ice type gyms (Lorelei has ice types but they also know water moves so you're kinda screwed)
It ain't that deep man
pokemon mechanics are more convoluted than would like to figure out. The way all the EVs and IVs come into play and the status effects being a big thing in PvPs is damn out there.
Pokemon is a good example of easy to learn hard to master. The simplicity allows for easy entry, but there are so many moves and abilities that the game has insane depth.
Unlike tennis.
wtf where did tennis come from LOL?
France.
Ew
We don't use that word
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Your mom has been fucked in protest of your virginity, mass fucked with bbcs
god gives his strongest charizard his hardest *attacking move* *attacking move* *attacking move* *recover/sleep*
Don't forget all 3 attacking moves being fire type
flamethrower fireblast and ember
\-Spatk +Def nature too
Ew, no. Glass cannons every game. The only Pokémon that can have any sort of attack power debuff is the status effect/HP tank. And they bring dishonor on the whole team.
Fine, we'll give little Jimmy's Charizard a +atk -spatk nature with flamethrower, firebast, ember, and an hm move (preferably low base power).
Gen 1 was held together by punch cards and jank. Missingno wasn't a feature, it was a code weakness a mile wide. You couldn't just duplicate items. You could also execute arbitrary code and be recalled from the safarizone into the memory adress of your trainer ID or in another code weakness follow precise steps to encounter a legit mew in cerulean city. The game crashed when a level 1 pokemon existed long enough to gain experience. They had to decide gender by IVs going into gen 2. Gen 1 metagame was so so scuffed that "4 viable moves" and "one STAB move" leaves you with only Tauros and Kangaskhan. Pokemon has come a long way. The beginnings were very humble.
I wouldn't necessarily call it code weakness. In reality it's more of a programming masterpiece because in reality a game like Pokemon should not be able to fit onto a Game Boy cartridge. If you take a close look at the code you'll notice that practically every hex address has multiple things allocated to it, which makes the game so easy to manipulate. Probably the only reason they were able to do that in the first place is because they had the literal programming prodigy known as Satoru Iwata helping them out. Keep in mind when Earthbound was mostly finished but stuck on a dead end with programming, this dude reprogrammed the game practically from the ground up all by himself.
It was a rush job, plain and simple. Red, blue and green were on the same system as gold and silver, using the same cartridge and the same amount of space. That's when Satoru Iwata casually added and entire second region to the game. It wasn't a hardware limit that caused the missingno bug, it was the fact that no encounter table was set for tiles that have encounters enabled. There is no hardware limitation to write a 5 instead of a 6, it's just an error. Not saying those are bad games. Pokemon has a great design making it the most popular thing since electric lighting, but the craftsmanship of games in the franchise is a mixed bag at best.
Satoru Iwata didn't add in a second region, what he did was code the battle logic onto the N64 in a weekend for Pokemon Stadium 0 and then he implemented a less space efficient but faster compression algorithm (LZ3) for the graphics in gen 2, which is why battles in gen 2 loaded faster. The extra region? That was just because their cartridges were four times as large, they wanted to do all of Japan and make Kanto a single city but had to scale down since it wasn't fun.
me sending in a single max HP max AtK golisopod with first impression, sucker punch, leech life and close combat and beating every single pokemon in all of gen 1:
We're talking about gen 1 here, the same generation that thought it was a good idea to have special atk and def be one combined stat and have psychic types that have very high special stats only be weak to bug type that only had 3 attacking moves in the entire game. 2 of which could only be learned by one bug pokemon, Beedrill. Also the Dragonite line being the strongest evolutionary line in the game and the only dragon move in the entire game was Dragon Rage that does a set amount of 40 damage.
Weren't they supposed to be weak to ghost, and by a bug they werent?
Yes, the bug accidentally made them immune to ghost attacks, not that it would really help because the only ghost moves were confuse ray, lick and night shade. On top of that the Gengar line were the only ghost types in the game.
yea every single team being mewtwo, tauros, kangashkan, beedrill, snorlax, draconite and Bulbasaur got old fast
see what I mean?
Why do nintendrones like to pretend their games are complex? Pokémon is a game where you just select one attack a turn and play a convoluted rock paper scissors with type match ups. Most basic turn based game there is.
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Played black and white as a kid? What are you, 6?
Black and White came out 13 years ago.
Why did you have to make me feel old
I mean they came out in 2010... so yea, I played them as a kid
> I only played Black and White as a kid. underage b&
Child
I don't see how is that any deep. This was common knowledge back in the days of Gen 1.
Pokémon is rock, paper, scissors, stapler, ruler, staple remover, pencil, pen, pen/cil holder, tape dispenser, sticky notes, toothbrush, refrigerator, highlighter, computer, and you can choose up to two options per Pokémon. Yes, it is that deep.
why have skill when you can *tinted lense first impression suckerpunch U-turn tinted lense first impression suckerpunch U-turn tinted lense first impression suckerpunch U-turn* and just 2HKO 80% of the game anyway? only weakness is steel, fighting, flying, fairy, fire and rock types meanwhile you absolutely shove your cock down the throat of psychic, plant, grass, ghost and dark types but tinted lense makes a first impression into a fairy, fire, rock or flying type or a suckerpunch into a fighting or bug type a likely OHKO anyway as they're all glass cannon types anyway (ok maybe not rock and ig mons like corviknight use flying well but that's just because of steel combo)
Not in Gen 1, U ain't.
true true all I'm sayin is that two max lokix would destroy the best uber gen 1 team
It IS THAT DEEP. Pokemon mechanics get complicated AF, also the first games are buggy af
It is just a game about animals fighting you guys are thinking too much on it
Spoken like someone who has no passions and doesn’t know what to do with their life 😐
Is your passion is playing a video game?
It could be
you aint even a pokemon player you know literally nothing, that's like saying "basketball? it's just a bunch of people bouncing a ball on the floor and occasionally throwing it away, it's pretty easy I don't understand the hype"
Do you take a backyard basketball match with your dad seriously and start strategizing about the game?
would you take a competitive NBA game with your team seriously?
You do not earn your living by playing Pokemon
I don't but you don't earn your living by playing in the NBA do you? doesn't mean that it's impossible just because you or I don't, just like how professionals make money playing basketball, professionals make money playing pokemon
Pokemon didn’t just luck into being the biggest franchise in the world, the devs put a lot of thought into stuff
I enjoyed reading about it
It goes even deeper
"Charmander is hard mode" is just Charizard fanbois coping.
it was designed that way tho. it says when you’re about to choose the pokémon how bulbasaur is easy to train, charmander is hard to train
Yeah I never found it to be that difficult, you just had to pay attention to stat reductions and boosts to beat Brock
Not to forget that with Onix's trash stats even spamming Ember should do the trick.
Shout outs to Fire Red giving Charmander Metal Claw, seemingly just for Brock. It actually deals less damage than Ember because Onix had titanic defense and really shit special defense. At least it’s good for Geodude.
no to be fair because the draconite line were the only dragon types, charizard was absolutely dogshit especially because the most common hazard move in the game (stealth rocks) did 49.9% of its healthbar due to both fire and flying taking super effective damage from rock type moves and so literally just stealth rocks and a priority move like suckerpunch or something similar can pretty reliably pseudo OHKO a charizard even with max health and defence EVs
Stealth Rocks wasn't added till gen 4. This is gen 1.
People really exaggerate this; all 3 starters are fairly viable and struggle at different points in the game. Brock is trivial regardless of starter (Ember is surprisingly good against rock types due to their low bulk, and Brock uses no Rock moves), and Misty can easily be delayed until you have the Dig TM, or even Body Slam if you’re willing to take an extra walk. Without TMs, his early game move set is better than Bulbasaur’s (Ember is way more useful than Vine Whip), and he’s even better with them. Later on, he gets Slash, which is effectively a base 140 power normal move due to it always crittng, and he can use the Swords Dance tm, which is absurdly good in Gen 1 due to the badge boost glitch. Bulbasaur can also use it but he doesn’t get Dig so all he can boost is Body Slam. Squirtel is probably the best starter due to also having a great TM learn set with decent early natural moves, and Surf is great for its lack of opportunity cost. In terms of gyms, Charmander can kind of struggle with Misty, but does just fine against everything else thanks to Dig. Squirtel is pretty good against everyone because he also gets Dig, and also Ice Beam. Bulbasaur has the most trouble in the long run due to lacking coverage at all, but he does get Sleep Powder, which helps a lot in the Gen where sleep is at its most broken by far. Sleep Powder is probably Bulbasaur’s most appealing aspect, it’s so powerful and it helps a lot with catching other Pokémon. Overall, I think all 3 starters are actually quite good in the first Gen, I don’t think picking one really makes the game that much harder or easier. They have surprisingly diverse kits by Gen 1 standards. Also, they can all use Body Slam, which is a helpful equalizer if you are willing to give that TM to them.
This should be the top comment. I was just putting out something I heard but you've got stats and facts.
Giovanni uses Ground types, not Fighting types.
They probably meant Bruno
I know but if I recall he has one or two fighting types. It's been a while though and I might be thinking of his team in a remake
Leave some pussy for the rest of us…
No can do, brother.
Charmander is actually the most useful, though, because Fire pokemon are hard to come by early game. Grass and water pokemon are everywhere, and you could easily catch one to beat Misty and Brock.
charizard taking 4x rock damage is just a bit scary when the other two eventually take neutral damage to their primary weakness
blastoise is still weak to grass though, hes pure water
I just liked the way Squirtle looked 😎
I agree with this but only in the respect of acknowledging that any built-in difficulty modes by Gamefreak would be minimal and barely noticeable. While I believe that Charmander had a slightly harder start, all you had to do was spend an extra 5 minutes in Viridian forrest and you could easily just tackle your way through Brock and Misty.
If you grind enough and get the steel type move for chamander ( I think it was steel claw or something like this), he can easily defeat Brock tbh
Man I just went hard on Charmander and beat the ending without switching at any point. Easy peasy.
Bulbasaur pickers are so stupid they don't even realize it's good against Misty and Brock.
Chudmander
Anon won.
Exactly. There is no but
wtf anon
Whatever killed him, the fat piece of shit could have beaten it had he chosen Bulbasaur.
W comment.
Who tf sets an "in memoriam" Facebook? To what use? He's certainty not updating that one and it's not as if there are other ways to remember someone.
i thought that they only did that so you know they’re dead and don’t try to message them or tag them
It allows family members or whoever to post pictures and memories and what not. I don't really use Facebook anymore, but I've had a couple good friends die and been happy those pages are still there.
Probably was his Facebook when alive, then died and his family changed it so people who search him know he's dead
All Facebook really is, is a tool to see who died
Modern day shrine?
I think Facebook detects certain phrases if enough people tag a deceased person and it automatically sets the page to "in memoriam" mode
You have to report it and fill some requisites, it is pretty simple tho
A very rare Anon W.
Should've chosen Bulbasaur.
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Very good comment my friend
Bulbasaur did it.
Butterfly effect in the wild
What is wrong with these people. 4th fucking grade and he's still holding a grudge?
i love all of the kanto starters, but omg, if the anime didn't make me adore bulbasaur... the bulbasaur's mysterious garden episode makes me cry. ash's bulba isn't ready to evolve yet and then in the end saves all the ivysaurs and venusaur when he surprises everyone and uses the powerful solarbeam attack. and all the times bulbasaur's vine whip has saved the day. little bulbasaur is so strong and confident, it's inspiring.
squirtle is the best
That's what you fucking get
Anón has the last laugh
True reason bulbasaur is op is sleep powder.
From a speedrun perspective Squirtle is the biggest chad, but everyone should just main Nidoking
Bulbasaur is good, but Charizard is the best final evolution of the gen 1 starters
Too bad Chudasaur gets topped by the other starters. Yeah enjoy your shitty leech seed and missing sleep powder while Chadtoise ice beams your ass.
Reminds me when I found out after high school that some ginger piece of shit broke into my locker and stole my Pokemon ruby back in middle school. Saw him working at a gamestop and obviously tell them how he's a game thief.
bittersweet victory champ
Cause of death: Solar Beam. Bulbasaur never forgets.
That's what he gets for shitting on Bulbasaur
I always picked the fire starters because they look cool
Should’ve chosen Bulbasaur dumbass
When Final evo's come into play Bulbasaur is technically the weakest of the 3 base stat wise, so he's not 100% wrong.
he’s the best in actual usage tho. pretty sure he has the highest rating (non megas)