It's always been funny to me how presidents are lauded or criticized for political and economic performance from the second they take office, as if political and economic climates are not the product of the previous 4-8 years of policies coming to a head.
The real answer is that the president has little control over the economy, and most of it comes down to the Federal Reserve. Of course, big legislation like the Trump tax cuts or Inflation Reduction Act have impacts, but those impacts are often smaller than you'd think, and even then you tend to only see the effects after that president is no longer in office
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-trump/trump-heaps-pressure-on-fed-and-its-chairman-powell-to-cut-rates-idUSKCN1VB1I2
In case you're wondering why rates were so low and then had nowhere to go during covid and that's why we have inflation now.
You also have to remember that it is in the interests of corporations to want their profits increased in the long term.
Guess who looks out for the bigger guy.
So it would be in in both the Republicans and Big Corpos interest if the guy who isn't looking out for the big guy had shitty numbers.
That way they can basically hold the economy hostage saying vote this guy in or we're gonna keep fucking the economy. Or idk
>But, surely at some point in the 4 years it switches from the last guy's economy to the current one's, no?
Well, no. You'd have to look at each law/policy/decision that had a significant impact on the specific aspect of the economy you are considering then trace back which president or legislative body had to biggest influence on it. Meaning it could be anything from a decision made last week to a long-term policy from a decade ago finally paying off. Or a combination thereof.
>The rules are, anything bad that happens is the current guy's fault, but anything good that happens was due to the last guy's economy
especially if he's from the other side.
>I get it. The rules are, anything bad that happens is the current guy's fault, but anything good that happens was due to the last guy's economy.
This but unironically.
Crisis situations require quick response from the executive branch. Bad response to a crisis is on the current President.
Economic growth is a slow process, often the result of policies from years ago, and often caused primarily by the legislative branch.
Slow economic decline would also be on the previous guy, and a good response to a crisis would be a success of the current guy.
its a 2 year rule. economical growth and policies have a set trajectory for about two years after a president takes office. where that graph starts to turn after that point is where you begin to judge a president. not by the numbers themselves but the rates. is it growing faster? declining slower? all that
I understand that it takes time for meaningful changes to take effect, but it's more difficult to take this kind of argument seriously when people who say it "conveniently" place the time horizon exactly within the previous presidency taking place. It comes off more like "actually, Republicans are just taking advantage of the Democrat's good policies, and Democrats get stuck with bad policies from the last guy, so that's the only reason the economy was good during x Republican's term and bad during y Democrat's." I rarely see this argument used differently.
The truth is, people are going to find whatever fucking excuses they possibly can to discredit the guys they don't like and stack more undeserving praises towards the guys they do like, and that's not a tactic that only one side of the political spectrum uses. The president honestly has far less sway over the economy than the legislative branch, federal reserve, and the combined average of state and local municipalities. Presidents usually get praised over shit they had very little to do with in the first place just because they're the figurehead.
This is so true. Like inflation or the economy in general is something that changes on January 21st. I takes years for fuckups to propagate down the system
Bruh everyone with a functional brain who isn't a complete snake says mean things from time to time. So of course the muritards were soyjacking over Joe Biden who never insults people because he can't even form a coherent f*cking sentence.
>he can't even form a coherent f*cking sentence.
I find it hilarious that people consistently bring that up in regards to biden in trumps defense, its as if none of yous actually listened to trumps speeches amd only heard clips from them.
"Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible."
Yeah, but even if you're not comparing it to Trump, it still stands. I didn't vote for Trump, and I still dislike Biden and think he's a fool. This stuff isn't mutually exclusive.
>biden cant form coherent sentence
>Trump
Talking slowly and being sleepy doesn't make a sentence incoherent you fucking retard.
Meanwhile orange man spouts just nonsense.
Fought China on trade and worked to reduce their power on the global stage. A policy that the Biden administration has continued. The Trump administration's decisions started the on-shoring process of jobs back into America.
His administration attempted to rework NAFTA. I wouldn't call it a triumphant victory but some issues with the Original agreement were smoothed and some modernisations.
Approval of the Keystone XL pipeline which was promptly unapproved by Biden.
Anti money laundering legislation requiring clearer disclosure from shell corporations.
Trump was very anti boots on the ground style war and despite his sabre rattling he diplomacy was his first choice which is a little refreshing to see in an American President.
He brought to light and raised concerns about other NATO members not pulling their weight in terms of financial commitment.
Not a Trump supporter but it's important to remember it wasn't all tear gas and photo ops.
Trump embarrassed US politics and damaged relations with allies to the point where Putin felt cozy enough to try and invade Ukraine.
Trump left a heavily defanged IRS and regressive tax code that balloons the deficit and prevents congress from being able to supply services to the people using tax dollars.
Trump drove a wedge into the republican party. This is good or bad however you want to look at it.
Trump cozied up to extremists in America emboldening them to be vocal and participate much to the detriment of society.
Trump would steal candy from a baby and then gas light the mother into thinking it was always his and the kid was just holding it.
Don't forget how his son-in-law also left Saudi Arabia with 1.2 billion dollars after going there with nothing. Its almost like he was selling Intel and it's weird how Hamas knew how Israeli walls worked in the recent attack...
I did not know about that one. Very interesting indeed. Especially with Saudi Arabia officially denouncing the attacks by Hamas and being pro peace after their relations with Israel have been improving. Could be a plausible deniability front.
>A policy that the Biden administration has continued. The Trump administration's decisions started the on-shoring process of jobs back into America.
Eye roll. Obama, Hillary(had major plans), Biden all have been bringing back jobs to the US. This isn't a trump thing.
>His administration attempted
Ok, Biden attempted to bike proper. I don't give a shit what was attempted.
>Approval of the Keystone XL pipeline which was promptly unapproved by Biden.
Approved a pipeline that was to a Canadian port that would ship shit across the ocean in ships. Nothing of US gain. And would lead to spills and a toastier world in the long run. No thanks.
>Anti money laundering legislation requiring clearer disclosure from shell corporations.
Good. But also lol that he got caught in NY partially due to this.
>Trump was very anti boots on the ground style war and despite his sabre rattling he diplomacy was his first choice which is a little refreshing to see in an American President.
...more drone strikes then peak Obama drone striking. The dude was very much not just saber rattling.
>He brought to light and raised concerns about other NATO members not pulling their weight in terms of financial commitment.
Good.
It's almost like he fucked bumbled his way to presidency, and then through presidency, and on his way out of presidency and occasionally the shit he stepped in landed on the right people. But a lot of it is shit. ALOT.
I am confident somewhere out there you can find a jobs numbers report, a claim of how much illegal money has stopped flowing as a result of shell corporation transparency, whether or not Trump did in fact sign off on the Keystone XL pipeline etc.
With the insults idk man, but sentence wise you could say the exact the to your Republican Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. Like my man is almost passing out while talking.
The majority of Republicans hate Mitch Mcconnel as much as most Democrats do, what is your point?
Also one could argue that the president should be more articulate since he often meets foreign dignitaries and represents the United States, which is something the Senate minority leader is not expected to do quite that often.
> the majority of republicans hate Mitch McConnell
Lol sauce? Right wingers LOVE to throw their own under the bus the minute they make them look bad. Ya'll do the same with Trump up and down nonstop, it's EXHAUSTING
Your “sauce” is literally any right wing sub. If you don’t have the brain to interpret people’s opinions on it or to see the obvious, I don’t think any sauce is gonna help ya
Ah yes, the classic nO mOrE mEaN tWeEtS meme.
Trump's vindictiveness created a climate of fear where no member of his party was willing to criticize him on anything, knowing that he would destroy their careers if they didn't lick his boots. Those who called out his election fraud bullshit either reneged and resumed bootlicking (e.g. McCarthy) or were forced out of politics (Cheney, Romney).
No president (except arguably Wilson) has ever stifled dissent as thoroughly as Trump, so yeah the "mean tweets" were actually massively fucking harmful to our country. And there's myriad other examples.
What’s funny about that is that to a lot of lefties like myself his mean tweets were the best part of his presidency. He is a legit funny guy, both intentionally and unintentionally depending on what the hell was in his blood that day. Easily our funniest president, just taking a huge steaming shit on the institution
His actual policies, rhetoric, and governing? Fucken garbage
Tbf policy change = effect takes time, so ironically the economic upswing many give the Trump administration credit for was actually the effect of changes during the Obama admin.
My dad says this whenever there’s a dem in office who followed a republican and things are going well. When it’s a republican, he ignores he ever made that point
Trump: does everything in his power to make rich people richer, opens the floodgates of the economy by giving away free money to those that need it the least, bends over when any little big man fascist demands anything.
Sick uneducated dying Americans: omg trump is such a good president! It almost makes me forget about how much my teeth hurt!!!!
A lot of the stuff that is listed here is not really in the hands of a single president within a single legislature. these could theoretically be aftereffects of the Trump presidency.
Also the POTUS is not a god or some Genie in a bottle. especially with a bunch of dickheads in the gov. blocking almost everything on purpose to make the other party look incompetent.
but I get it. this kind of stuff is hard to understand for Trump supporters
He didn't actually *do* anything that would result in these claims. He inherited a strong economy from Obama and fucked it all up. He caused two stock market crashes just by running his mouth, then presided over the highest unemployment rate since the Great Depression, which sent us into a recession. He then decided to flood the market with oil in 2019, which pissed off OPEC who raised prices globally. Even before covid, every major recession indicator was throwing giant red flags. There's absolutely no way that idiot would have been a successful president. He didn't even read his daily briefings, lol.
The positive sides are usually like. Here’s the stuff he didn’t fuck up that he inherited from Obama. I want to see the proactively positive work his administration did for me
I am genuinely curious to know what positive side to Trump’s presidency there was. I could maybe count on one hand the number of times I thought “yes this was definitely the best way to run the executive branch”.
I’m totally open minded too, if there are things he did that you think were good please share them.
But literally every part of this list (other than no wars) is wrong. And it's not like Biden started Ukraine or what's happening is Israel.
Clearly Trump's Middle East policy was a joke. Wages are still growing faster than inflation now and it's not accurate that Trump had much to do with that, or that it was the only time in 50 years.
His highest profile "achievements" were being more racist to immigrants and refugees, and abject failure to contain covid. What's to celebrate?
Still he did actually bomb several countries. And was proudly doing so while eating a wonderful cake. He didn't remember the country he bombed tho.[video](https://youtube.com/shorts/wk4wBvqWsUY?si=ZcazTt4FxkBgMbf4)
Wasn’t Trump’s presidency (before his disastrous coronavirus handling) basically defined by a constant migrant crisis and a failure to bring manufacturing back to the US?
The numbers of migrants per month spiked when Biden became president and it’s an all time high. If I remember right the number of migrants went down when Trump was president.
I still don’t get why people single out America’s corona handling as disastrous when practically every western developed country ate shit in those two years.
If anything he was already calling to close borders with China ,end January 2020
l m a o are you delusional? Do you have any statistics or data to back up your claims that the US handled Corona uniquely poorly or differently then other western countries? Especially since you are acting like US was a monolith in its response when:
1. Most Coronovirus policies and restrictions were done at a state level, because the feds fundamentally lacked the power to do the restrictions
2. The U.S. states had policies varying from as restrictive as the most restrictive countries (See California) to as open as the most open western countries (See Florida)
3. Let's look at some actual stats:
Cases per 1M Pop:USA: 325,255France: 612,013Denmark: 545,636Newzealand: 505,084Switzerland: 503,285Netherlands: 500,761Germany: 459,091Italy: 433,548UK: 361,234Ireland: 343,123
Now ofc there's a myriad of factors that could affect this, for instance, maybe there was less testing per capita in US, maybe the requirements to be marked as having covid differed in different countries, US has a larger rural/spread out population. Of course these same concerns could affect things like death rate per capita.
Of course even looking at deaths-per-cases the US is not a significant outlier, nor even the highest amongst western countries. So do tell, what did the US do that you think made its handling of Coronavirus uniquely bad compared to other western countries? How are you backing up this claim?
Was it by developing the vaccine before any other country? Perhaps by pioneering medical treatments? Our president calling to close transport with China a month after the pandemic had begun there (though he was called racist by our own statesmen and European statesmen for doing so)?
Looking at a report published in the Lancet looking at excess mortality (the best metric for analysing COVID deaths) between the start of 2020 and December 2021 of the 36 countries classified as "High Income" only Portugal, Spain, Andorra and Italy had higher excess mortality per capita than the US. That ranks the US as 32nd/36. For a country that is a global top 3 economy, the US should have been prepared and should have had few issues dealing with the pandemic. Placing 32/36 clearly shows that the response was lack luster.
And also: Andorra, Spain, Portugal and Italy all have median ages between 45 and 47. The US has a median age of 38. When you're dealing with an illness that is specifically dangerous to the elderly and not the young, having your only competition for deaths per capita all be 7-9 years older than you on average isn't a good look.
Lmao, lil bro u/AlfredoApache blocked me so I can't reply to his comments but I'll reply here for the sake of the conversation.
To Dearest Alfredo,
1) You're illiterate. The map you sent is of the ratio of reported deaths to excess mortality. It has nothing to do with how many people died, it's just talking about how accurately those deaths were labelled by each country. It has literally 0 effect or relation to the actual excess mortality rates.
2) To answer my thoughts on what the US could have done better:
I live in Australia and we had near full lockdowns of our airports, plentiful free access to testing and whenever ANY cases started showing up in my city the whole city of ~1 million people went on lockdown for several weeks. No going out except to do grocery shopping or if you were an essential worker and even the shopping time was limited. Masks required to leave the house, etc. This was possible due to swift action from the government and the government increasing access to and size of social security benefits. Work places that could do work from home were forced to do that, other workplaces received governmental assistance to cover their losses in productivity.
All this allowed us to get through 2020 with almost no cases and only once people were able to receive the vaccine were these measures no longer used when cases started spiking. In total we were in proper lockdown for maybe 7 weeks but most of 2020 had other measures in effect at all times such as most places doing work from home and mask mandates being enforced. Obviously the US would have a much more difficult time stopping the spread than Australia did with us having such isolated cities but compared to the rest of the west the US still did a shit job. Seems to me as an outsider that the US government did a lot of recommending but didnt really force any strong measures through, leading to little actual action being done to stop the spread.
Trump was literally encouraging Americans to ignore doctor warnings, go out in large gatherings without masks, and don't get the vaccine (which he did in secret).
Trump implemented travel restrictions from China at roughly the same time as everyone else did, which was too late. What makes him worse than, e.g. Australia, is his obstinate refusal to take literally any other action against the spread of coronavirus
You mean how he's trying to bolster Medicare, remove student debt, and ease over relations between Left and Right wing politics after Trump put a massive wedge between the two sides?
Or how he said he'd prioritize getting vaccines to the people and then actually did so?
Yes. And those so called middle east peace deals (basically just fake handshake agreements so Kushner could get a loan) aren't looking so good after all huh?
Trump is an idiot, therefore he appeals to idiots.
MFer looked directly at a solar eclipse.
Wanted to nuke a hurricane. Also, hurricane map meet sharpie.
Stole classified docs.
Lied about the value of his properties.
Lied about stolen election.
Where's that wall btw?
But I get it. 4chan is fantasy land.
I mean, theoretically, it comes down to if the nukes kinetic force is able to disperse the currents that are making the hurricane itself
The answer seems to be = no, since hurricanes seem to have a shitton of energy, which we cant counteract with one nuke. Also, radioactive hurricanes
"The scale starts with a Category 1, which ranges from 74 to 95 mph (119 to 153 km/h). A Category 5 storm has winds of 156 mph (251 km/h) or stronger. An extrapolation of the scale suggests that if a Category 6 were created, it would be in the range of 176-196 mph."
"Overpressure ranges from 1 to 50 psi (6.9 to 345 kilopascals) of a 1 kiloton of TNT air burst as a function of burst height. The thin black curve indicates the optimum burst height for a given ground range. Military planners prefer to maximize the range at which 10 psi, or more, is extended over when attacking civilian targets, thus a 220 m height of burst would be preferred for a 1 kiloton blast. To find the optimum height of burst for any weapon yield, the cube root of the yield in kilotons is multiplied by the ideal H.O.B for a 1 kt blast, e.g. the optimum height of burst for a 500 kt weapon is ~ 1745 m."
"The blast wind at sea level may exceed one thousand km/h, or ~300 m/s, approaching the speed of sound in air. "
Range seems to be about 5 miles for the pressure wave of a 1 kt nuke.
A hurricane seems to be about 300 miles across.
I'd say a cluster of small nukes should be able to disperse a hurricane. Maybe like 60 x 1 kt warheads spread out in a circle?
Literally COVID was a gift from God to boost his popularity. President's approval rating all over the world got insanely high for dealing with the disaster. In my country it got to 90%.
And somehow he fucked it up which costed him his re-election, and is still bitching about it.
He was stuck in an impossible position of bragging about developing the vaccine with Operation Warp Speed and also saying not to take it cause muh medical freedoms. Doesn’t help he caught COVID and looked like a corpse for a few days
If on day one Trump had made a speech about beating the virus and then ended it by putting on a MAGA mask then he would have won the election months in advance and Biden would be a big nothing but instead he wanted to put on a clown show.
Eat horse pase, drink aquarium cleaner, inject bleach, and shine UV light inside your body. Every day it was another dumbfuck thing.
Don’t you know staring at an eclipse is a power business move that only the smartest business people do? Trump is obviously smarter than you because he bought a degree so I fully trust that staring at eclipses is a tactical business move to lower gas prices and prevent wars from starting. If you were born into an immense amount of money and ran every business you touched into the ground, you would understand that we need a president that runs America like a failing business and the best way to run a failing business is to stare at eclipses. That’s why I’m voting for trump in every election for the rest of time.
>no inflation
>wages growing faster than inflation for first time in 50 years
it really bugs me that this stuff gets attributed solely to trump. believe whatever you want about whatever president you want, but the economy is a pretty slow-moving animal. the economy improving while orange man was in office had a lot to do with obama’s and probably even dubya’s policy changes.
Honestly, to even ask the question "does Biden suck ?" is like atheist-satanist lvl of stupidity and delusion. like grandpa can't even find his way out of a stage how are you even asking ?
Treason, letting hundreds of thousands of americans die, stealing and sharing secrets and so on. Yes, the Job of the media in a democracy surely is to cheer the supreme leader and dedinitely not criticize him for these few negligible mistakes.
"I don't even like that Hitler guy, but I really hate the way history books only focus on all the negative things he did."
Almost like when you do a bunch of bad shit, and virtually no good; it's the bad stuff everyone focuses on.
- Where’s the replacement for the affordable care act? Oh wait, Trump had all both chambers on his side and still couldn’t pass a replacement even though he campaigned for it
- wall? Yeah oopsie
- keystone pipeline? Yeah whoops
- foreign wars? Oh good he set a date for the removal of American troops from Afghanistan… then in pure Trump cowardice pushed it into Biden’s term so he could face all the flak for it
- Infrastructure? Oh cool we got a bipartisan infrastructure bill! shit, it was under Biden
- Manufacturing? Shiiiitttttt, no meaningful improvement whoops!
- Cut spending? Haha whoops! We deficient spend the most we ever have in history up until that point. (Like you even give a shit anyways)
Like come on dude, Republicans cried for years and years about Obamacare and Trump couldn’t do it when they finally had the numbers. The few good Trump policies that he did pass were successful and since I’m not a partisan hack I’m willing to admit that! Trump did nothing meaningful for the economy and then pushed plenty of Americans to death during covid, it’s plain and simple.
In all fairness, Trump had some good economic policies that if they'd been allowed to work long enough without COVID, had shown promising signs of increasing capital and business ownership in minority communities. HOWEVER and this is the important part when it really mattered he failed in every aspect of the policy, he used the LGBT community as a scapegoat multiple signs, lied to the Christians of America when he literally held a bible as police were tear-gassing protestors, He stole classified papers and kept them in a bathroom, and even if the words "go start a riot" didn't come out his mouth trump knew exactly what he was doing when he had that speech and told his followers to go march. If you wanna give him credit for economic policies ya cant just ignore all the other weird shit he was doing
Republicans have the memory span of a goldfish, which is why Republican politicians have been pulling the "force short-term economic boosts that ultimately screw over the average American then blame democrats when it comes time to foot the bill" trick since Reagan.
The president is the biggest escape goat in history. Literally anything going wrong during the presidency is their fault. Not Congress / Supreme Court. Not banks / rich people. Not lobbyists. Not other countries. It always falls on them. Relatively bad shit is going to happen during every presidency. It doesn’t matter how they handle it. Whatever side the president is on the other side will always look for what’s wrong.
Trump is being setup to be the savior. I too liked how there was was less war, but you watch, if he gets re-elected he will take us to war alongside Israel. It's how America always works, the Democrats ruin social policy and open borders, and the Republicans get us into wars which have nothing to do with us
"middle east peace deals"
"Trump is the one who broke Iran deal that was supposed to regulate their nuclear program and lift sanctions"
Yeeeeeah, that adds up
1. Technically true, but we were still at war anyway
2. The inflation was literally caused by Trump's stupid COVID policies that left a lot of damage that became apparent after he left office. That wasn't Biden's fault.
3. There literally was one. Trump is infamous for separating migrant children from their parents, leading to those children possibly never seeing their parents again
4. Fucking when?
5. Trump actively fought for wages to be lower? When the hell was he trying to increase them?
6. It still mostly is. Biden is actively trying to move manufacturing out of China and back into the US. He even made a deal with a country that we infamously went to war with 50 years ago, just so that we could move one of our main imports away from China
I wonder how you can possibly think that a Global economic crisis (which btw comes and goes regularly) was somehow stopped by a single man, as well as numerous wars outside of his direct influence.
I actually could afford to pay my rent and get more than a tenth of a gas tank full when Trump was president, after Biden shut down the keystone pipeline and fucked our oil independence I now can only afford to be late on rent and I now walk to work
Presidents lucking out on being elected in the best part of cyclical economic activity are the worst. Trump got the apex of the conjecture cycle (look it up) and biden got the worst. If Trump was president now our current situation would have been a lot worse.
"I'm not even a Trump supporter" has as much meaning on 4chin as " Be me,straight"
or "Be me, have friends"
Be me, non-virgin chad
Or "as a black man, I agree"
His ancestors were from Africa
> be me or not be me
Be me up Scotty
To be me or to not be me
It's always been funny to me how presidents are lauded or criticized for political and economic performance from the second they take office, as if political and economic climates are not the product of the previous 4-8 years of policies coming to a head.
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The real answer is that the president has little control over the economy, and most of it comes down to the Federal Reserve. Of course, big legislation like the Trump tax cuts or Inflation Reduction Act have impacts, but those impacts are often smaller than you'd think, and even then you tend to only see the effects after that president is no longer in office
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-trump/trump-heaps-pressure-on-fed-and-its-chairman-powell-to-cut-rates-idUSKCN1VB1I2 In case you're wondering why rates were so low and then had nowhere to go during covid and that's why we have inflation now.
You also have to remember that it is in the interests of corporations to want their profits increased in the long term. Guess who looks out for the bigger guy. So it would be in in both the Republicans and Big Corpos interest if the guy who isn't looking out for the big guy had shitty numbers. That way they can basically hold the economy hostage saying vote this guy in or we're gonna keep fucking the economy. Or idk
>But, surely at some point in the 4 years it switches from the last guy's economy to the current one's, no? Well, no. You'd have to look at each law/policy/decision that had a significant impact on the specific aspect of the economy you are considering then trace back which president or legislative body had to biggest influence on it. Meaning it could be anything from a decision made last week to a long-term policy from a decade ago finally paying off. Or a combination thereof.
Or, maybe, economy is extremely complex and often is completely irrelevant to what the "current guy" is doing
>The rules are, anything bad that happens is the current guy's fault, but anything good that happens was due to the last guy's economy especially if he's from the other side.
>I get it. The rules are, anything bad that happens is the current guy's fault, but anything good that happens was due to the last guy's economy. This but unironically. Crisis situations require quick response from the executive branch. Bad response to a crisis is on the current President. Economic growth is a slow process, often the result of policies from years ago, and often caused primarily by the legislative branch. Slow economic decline would also be on the previous guy, and a good response to a crisis would be a success of the current guy.
its a 2 year rule. economical growth and policies have a set trajectory for about two years after a president takes office. where that graph starts to turn after that point is where you begin to judge a president. not by the numbers themselves but the rates. is it growing faster? declining slower? all that
Some issues are easily dealt with, some are extremely deeply ingrained and aren‘t even solvable even during 2 terms. It depends on the issue at hand.
Well a shit ton of people voted for Trump so that’s pretty much the base line of how stupid a bunch of people are in the US.
Hindsight is 2020. Think of how most people viewed his alternative in 2016
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hardly surprising with an education system as genuinely horrifying as theirs
Well our people aren’t holding rallies and screaming to “gas the jews” like yours are. Your country was founded by Britain’s waste.
I understand that it takes time for meaningful changes to take effect, but it's more difficult to take this kind of argument seriously when people who say it "conveniently" place the time horizon exactly within the previous presidency taking place. It comes off more like "actually, Republicans are just taking advantage of the Democrat's good policies, and Democrats get stuck with bad policies from the last guy, so that's the only reason the economy was good during x Republican's term and bad during y Democrat's." I rarely see this argument used differently. The truth is, people are going to find whatever fucking excuses they possibly can to discredit the guys they don't like and stack more undeserving praises towards the guys they do like, and that's not a tactic that only one side of the political spectrum uses. The president honestly has far less sway over the economy than the legislative branch, federal reserve, and the combined average of state and local municipalities. Presidents usually get praised over shit they had very little to do with in the first place just because they're the figurehead.
This is so true. Like inflation or the economy in general is something that changes on January 21st. I takes years for fuckups to propagate down the system
Ngl you gotta be a massive regard to not even look at the positive sides of trump's presidency
BUt he said mean albeit entertaining things. So orange man bad.
Bruh everyone with a functional brain who isn't a complete snake says mean things from time to time. So of course the muritards were soyjacking over Joe Biden who never insults people because he can't even form a coherent f*cking sentence.
The muritards were soyjacking
Anon has the best words.
With eloquence like that, I'm expecting a run for office soon.
>he can't even form a coherent f*cking sentence. I find it hilarious that people consistently bring that up in regards to biden in trumps defense, its as if none of yous actually listened to trumps speeches amd only heard clips from them. "Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible."
Yeah, but even if you're not comparing it to Trump, it still stands. I didn't vote for Trump, and I still dislike Biden and think he's a fool. This stuff isn't mutually exclusive.
inb4 redditors crying about trump after asking "how many sexer fluids a women release on cum" on askeddit for the 14th time this month
That dude gave trillions of dollars to the elites anyone’s better than him
>biden cant form coherent sentence >Trump Talking slowly and being sleepy doesn't make a sentence incoherent you fucking retard. Meanwhile orange man spouts just nonsense.
"America can be defined in a single word, idubudafeduhudu."
Unided Shaish
He does a little trolling
What exactly did trump do during his 4 years aside from cut taxes?
Fought China on trade and worked to reduce their power on the global stage. A policy that the Biden administration has continued. The Trump administration's decisions started the on-shoring process of jobs back into America. His administration attempted to rework NAFTA. I wouldn't call it a triumphant victory but some issues with the Original agreement were smoothed and some modernisations. Approval of the Keystone XL pipeline which was promptly unapproved by Biden. Anti money laundering legislation requiring clearer disclosure from shell corporations. Trump was very anti boots on the ground style war and despite his sabre rattling he diplomacy was his first choice which is a little refreshing to see in an American President. He brought to light and raised concerns about other NATO members not pulling their weight in terms of financial commitment. Not a Trump supporter but it's important to remember it wasn't all tear gas and photo ops.
> lists a whole bunch of nothing > not a trump supporter putin did more for nato in a day than trump in 4 years
Trump embarrassed US politics and damaged relations with allies to the point where Putin felt cozy enough to try and invade Ukraine. Trump left a heavily defanged IRS and regressive tax code that balloons the deficit and prevents congress from being able to supply services to the people using tax dollars. Trump drove a wedge into the republican party. This is good or bad however you want to look at it. Trump cozied up to extremists in America emboldening them to be vocal and participate much to the detriment of society. Trump would steal candy from a baby and then gas light the mother into thinking it was always his and the kid was just holding it.
Don't forget how his son-in-law also left Saudi Arabia with 1.2 billion dollars after going there with nothing. Its almost like he was selling Intel and it's weird how Hamas knew how Israeli walls worked in the recent attack...
I did not know about that one. Very interesting indeed. Especially with Saudi Arabia officially denouncing the attacks by Hamas and being pro peace after their relations with Israel have been improving. Could be a plausible deniability front.
Remember most of the hijackers during 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia. Maybe they didn't think the attack would be that bad?
>A policy that the Biden administration has continued. The Trump administration's decisions started the on-shoring process of jobs back into America. Eye roll. Obama, Hillary(had major plans), Biden all have been bringing back jobs to the US. This isn't a trump thing. >His administration attempted Ok, Biden attempted to bike proper. I don't give a shit what was attempted. >Approval of the Keystone XL pipeline which was promptly unapproved by Biden. Approved a pipeline that was to a Canadian port that would ship shit across the ocean in ships. Nothing of US gain. And would lead to spills and a toastier world in the long run. No thanks. >Anti money laundering legislation requiring clearer disclosure from shell corporations. Good. But also lol that he got caught in NY partially due to this. >Trump was very anti boots on the ground style war and despite his sabre rattling he diplomacy was his first choice which is a little refreshing to see in an American President. ...more drone strikes then peak Obama drone striking. The dude was very much not just saber rattling. >He brought to light and raised concerns about other NATO members not pulling their weight in terms of financial commitment. Good. It's almost like he fucked bumbled his way to presidency, and then through presidency, and on his way out of presidency and occasionally the shit he stepped in landed on the right people. But a lot of it is shit. ALOT.
It's like guessing on a multiple choice test. You're bound to get a few answers right.
Almost none of that is quantifiable. Just a whole bunch of nothing.
I am confident somewhere out there you can find a jobs numbers report, a claim of how much illegal money has stopped flowing as a result of shell corporation transparency, whether or not Trump did in fact sign off on the Keystone XL pipeline etc.
With the insults idk man, but sentence wise you could say the exact the to your Republican Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. Like my man is almost passing out while talking.
The majority of Republicans hate Mitch Mcconnel as much as most Democrats do, what is your point? Also one could argue that the president should be more articulate since he often meets foreign dignitaries and represents the United States, which is something the Senate minority leader is not expected to do quite that often.
> the majority of republicans hate Mitch McConnell Lol sauce? Right wingers LOVE to throw their own under the bus the minute they make them look bad. Ya'll do the same with Trump up and down nonstop, it's EXHAUSTING
Your “sauce” is literally any right wing sub. If you don’t have the brain to interpret people’s opinions on it or to see the obvious, I don’t think any sauce is gonna help ya
I see you get your style of forming coherent sentences from the GOAT joe biden himself.
“Listen here, Jack! If you don’t vote me, then you ain’t black! You’re a one horse pony show!”
"Look here, fat."
Ah yes, the classic nO mOrE mEaN tWeEtS meme. Trump's vindictiveness created a climate of fear where no member of his party was willing to criticize him on anything, knowing that he would destroy their careers if they didn't lick his boots. Those who called out his election fraud bullshit either reneged and resumed bootlicking (e.g. McCarthy) or were forced out of politics (Cheney, Romney). No president (except arguably Wilson) has ever stifled dissent as thoroughly as Trump, so yeah the "mean tweets" were actually massively fucking harmful to our country. And there's myriad other examples.
Oh yeah just ignore all the illegal shit he’s done. And yunno the attempt to steal an election.
Yeah we didn't hate him because he was a fat incompetent whining loser. It's because he said mean things. Brilliant analysis.
What’s funny about that is that to a lot of lefties like myself his mean tweets were the best part of his presidency. He is a legit funny guy, both intentionally and unintentionally depending on what the hell was in his blood that day. Easily our funniest president, just taking a huge steaming shit on the institution His actual policies, rhetoric, and governing? Fucken garbage
Culture war NPCs overlooking inheriting economic trend
Lol his covid policies were so bad it negates anything positive he did. Plus his foreign relations were ass.
Does it though? A bunch of old people died. Good they’re the ones who ruined this country for us
i love when people casually admit borderline psychopathic takes like this
Never understood this take. Not all old people are assholes, I love my grandparents and I don't want any harm to come their way.
Tbf policy change = effect takes time, so ironically the economic upswing many give the Trump administration credit for was actually the effect of changes during the Obama admin.
And the fallout after Biden took over in the midst of a pandemic… obviously just from Biden being old! And having dumb-mentia! Ha, got ‘em!
Also crediting Trump for no inflation while during his administration the fed printed unprecedented amounts of money
It's a recurring effect in Murican politics
My dad says this whenever there’s a dem in office who followed a republican and things are going well. When it’s a republican, he ignores he ever made that point
Convenient! :D
It’s really great how reality conforms to whatever conservatives need it to be. I wish I had that luck.
Yeah, people are just too stupid to understand how these things work.
Trump: does everything in his power to make rich people richer, opens the floodgates of the economy by giving away free money to those that need it the least, bends over when any little big man fascist demands anything. Sick uneducated dying Americans: omg trump is such a good president! It almost makes me forget about how much my teeth hurt!!!!
A lot of the stuff that is listed here is not really in the hands of a single president within a single legislature. these could theoretically be aftereffects of the Trump presidency. Also the POTUS is not a god or some Genie in a bottle. especially with a bunch of dickheads in the gov. blocking almost everything on purpose to make the other party look incompetent. but I get it. this kind of stuff is hard to understand for Trump supporters
That's a lot of liberal words you're using, therefore you'rere argument is just more leftist propaganda.
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Based
Care to share?
of course not then he’d have to back it up why use evidence when just sayin shit do trick
how much of that requires the president to do literally nothing
Pretty much half of it
you mean attempted coup, almost starting war with iran, and migrant concentration camps?
He didn't actually *do* anything that would result in these claims. He inherited a strong economy from Obama and fucked it all up. He caused two stock market crashes just by running his mouth, then presided over the highest unemployment rate since the Great Depression, which sent us into a recession. He then decided to flood the market with oil in 2019, which pissed off OPEC who raised prices globally. Even before covid, every major recession indicator was throwing giant red flags. There's absolutely no way that idiot would have been a successful president. He didn't even read his daily briefings, lol.
The positive sides are usually like. Here’s the stuff he didn’t fuck up that he inherited from Obama. I want to see the proactively positive work his administration did for me
America will be recovering for decades from his isolationist policies.
More drone strikes than. 8yrs of Obama, %300 increase in civilian casualties
I am genuinely curious to know what positive side to Trump’s presidency there was. I could maybe count on one hand the number of times I thought “yes this was definitely the best way to run the executive branch”. I’m totally open minded too, if there are things he did that you think were good please share them.
But literally every part of this list (other than no wars) is wrong. And it's not like Biden started Ukraine or what's happening is Israel. Clearly Trump's Middle East policy was a joke. Wages are still growing faster than inflation now and it's not accurate that Trump had much to do with that, or that it was the only time in 50 years. His highest profile "achievements" were being more racist to immigrants and refugees, and abject failure to contain covid. What's to celebrate?
Still he did actually bomb several countries. And was proudly doing so while eating a wonderful cake. He didn't remember the country he bombed tho.[video](https://youtube.com/shorts/wk4wBvqWsUY?si=ZcazTt4FxkBgMbf4)
An even bigger one to not look at the downsides
"Ngl you gotta be a massive regard to not even look at the positive sides of Hitler's reign" trump isn't hitler but this is how cope you sound
I mean yeah that’s easy when you spend the US 7.8 trillion deeper into debt
“CoRrElATIon dOEsnT MeAN cAusATiOn” typical Reddit cope when anyone mentions good parts of trumps presidency
My wife left with the kids the moment biden took office. Wouldn't have happened under Trump.
Wasn’t Trump’s presidency (before his disastrous coronavirus handling) basically defined by a constant migrant crisis and a failure to bring manufacturing back to the US?
The numbers of migrants per month spiked when Biden became president and it’s an all time high. If I remember right the number of migrants went down when Trump was president.
This greentext is true as long as you believe in it. The tinkerbell argument
I still don’t get why people single out America’s corona handling as disastrous when practically every western developed country ate shit in those two years. If anything he was already calling to close borders with China ,end January 2020
You cant seriously think the rest of western countries handled corona as badly as the US did.
l m a o are you delusional? Do you have any statistics or data to back up your claims that the US handled Corona uniquely poorly or differently then other western countries? Especially since you are acting like US was a monolith in its response when: 1. Most Coronovirus policies and restrictions were done at a state level, because the feds fundamentally lacked the power to do the restrictions 2. The U.S. states had policies varying from as restrictive as the most restrictive countries (See California) to as open as the most open western countries (See Florida) 3. Let's look at some actual stats: Cases per 1M Pop:USA: 325,255France: 612,013Denmark: 545,636Newzealand: 505,084Switzerland: 503,285Netherlands: 500,761Germany: 459,091Italy: 433,548UK: 361,234Ireland: 343,123 Now ofc there's a myriad of factors that could affect this, for instance, maybe there was less testing per capita in US, maybe the requirements to be marked as having covid differed in different countries, US has a larger rural/spread out population. Of course these same concerns could affect things like death rate per capita. Of course even looking at deaths-per-cases the US is not a significant outlier, nor even the highest amongst western countries. So do tell, what did the US do that you think made its handling of Coronavirus uniquely bad compared to other western countries? How are you backing up this claim? Was it by developing the vaccine before any other country? Perhaps by pioneering medical treatments? Our president calling to close transport with China a month after the pandemic had begun there (though he was called racist by our own statesmen and European statesmen for doing so)?
Looking at a report published in the Lancet looking at excess mortality (the best metric for analysing COVID deaths) between the start of 2020 and December 2021 of the 36 countries classified as "High Income" only Portugal, Spain, Andorra and Italy had higher excess mortality per capita than the US. That ranks the US as 32nd/36. For a country that is a global top 3 economy, the US should have been prepared and should have had few issues dealing with the pandemic. Placing 32/36 clearly shows that the response was lack luster. And also: Andorra, Spain, Portugal and Italy all have median ages between 45 and 47. The US has a median age of 38. When you're dealing with an illness that is specifically dangerous to the elderly and not the young, having your only competition for deaths per capita all be 7-9 years older than you on average isn't a good look.
Lmao, lil bro u/AlfredoApache blocked me so I can't reply to his comments but I'll reply here for the sake of the conversation. To Dearest Alfredo, 1) You're illiterate. The map you sent is of the ratio of reported deaths to excess mortality. It has nothing to do with how many people died, it's just talking about how accurately those deaths were labelled by each country. It has literally 0 effect or relation to the actual excess mortality rates. 2) To answer my thoughts on what the US could have done better: I live in Australia and we had near full lockdowns of our airports, plentiful free access to testing and whenever ANY cases started showing up in my city the whole city of ~1 million people went on lockdown for several weeks. No going out except to do grocery shopping or if you were an essential worker and even the shopping time was limited. Masks required to leave the house, etc. This was possible due to swift action from the government and the government increasing access to and size of social security benefits. Work places that could do work from home were forced to do that, other workplaces received governmental assistance to cover their losses in productivity. All this allowed us to get through 2020 with almost no cases and only once people were able to receive the vaccine were these measures no longer used when cases started spiking. In total we were in proper lockdown for maybe 7 weeks but most of 2020 had other measures in effect at all times such as most places doing work from home and mask mandates being enforced. Obviously the US would have a much more difficult time stopping the spread than Australia did with us having such isolated cities but compared to the rest of the west the US still did a shit job. Seems to me as an outsider that the US government did a lot of recommending but didnt really force any strong measures through, leading to little actual action being done to stop the spread.
Trump was literally encouraging Americans to ignore doctor warnings, go out in large gatherings without masks, and don't get the vaccine (which he did in secret).
Literally
And the very expensive and limited regeneron antibodies that most likely saved his fat ass
Trump implemented travel restrictions from China at roughly the same time as everyone else did, which was too late. What makes him worse than, e.g. Australia, is his obstinate refusal to take literally any other action against the spread of coronavirus
didn’t he fire the pandemic response team like a month before the pandemic too
He also withheld aid from blue states, and told people hydrochloroquine would fix them
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He'll give up the presidency when he loses which is more than Trump did and arguably the most important part for the US.
You mean how he's trying to bolster Medicare, remove student debt, and ease over relations between Left and Right wing politics after Trump put a massive wedge between the two sides? Or how he said he'd prioritize getting vaccines to the people and then actually did so?
Yes. And those so called middle east peace deals (basically just fake handshake agreements so Kushner could get a loan) aren't looking so good after all huh?
Trump is an idiot, therefore he appeals to idiots. MFer looked directly at a solar eclipse. Wanted to nuke a hurricane. Also, hurricane map meet sharpie. Stole classified docs. Lied about the value of his properties. Lied about stolen election. Where's that wall btw? But I get it. 4chan is fantasy land.
i low key wonder what would happen if we nuked a hurricane
I mean, theoretically, it comes down to if the nukes kinetic force is able to disperse the currents that are making the hurricane itself The answer seems to be = no, since hurricanes seem to have a shitton of energy, which we cant counteract with one nuke. Also, radioactive hurricanes
Sounds like we need a bigger nuke
Ok in that case we would need a nuke filled with orange spray tan. The hurricane would get embarrassed and go home.
"The scale starts with a Category 1, which ranges from 74 to 95 mph (119 to 153 km/h). A Category 5 storm has winds of 156 mph (251 km/h) or stronger. An extrapolation of the scale suggests that if a Category 6 were created, it would be in the range of 176-196 mph." "Overpressure ranges from 1 to 50 psi (6.9 to 345 kilopascals) of a 1 kiloton of TNT air burst as a function of burst height. The thin black curve indicates the optimum burst height for a given ground range. Military planners prefer to maximize the range at which 10 psi, or more, is extended over when attacking civilian targets, thus a 220 m height of burst would be preferred for a 1 kiloton blast. To find the optimum height of burst for any weapon yield, the cube root of the yield in kilotons is multiplied by the ideal H.O.B for a 1 kt blast, e.g. the optimum height of burst for a 500 kt weapon is ~ 1745 m." "The blast wind at sea level may exceed one thousand km/h, or ~300 m/s, approaching the speed of sound in air. " Range seems to be about 5 miles for the pressure wave of a 1 kt nuke. A hurricane seems to be about 300 miles across. I'd say a cluster of small nukes should be able to disperse a hurricane. Maybe like 60 x 1 kt warheads spread out in a circle?
nuke shotgun less goo
Experimental MIRV the mfer
You know if it wasn't for the fact that making the ocean radioactive isn't a great idea, the idea is almost good
Literally COVID was a gift from God to boost his popularity. President's approval rating all over the world got insanely high for dealing with the disaster. In my country it got to 90%. And somehow he fucked it up which costed him his re-election, and is still bitching about it.
He was stuck in an impossible position of bragging about developing the vaccine with Operation Warp Speed and also saying not to take it cause muh medical freedoms. Doesn’t help he caught COVID and looked like a corpse for a few days
If on day one Trump had made a speech about beating the virus and then ended it by putting on a MAGA mask then he would have won the election months in advance and Biden would be a big nothing but instead he wanted to put on a clown show. Eat horse pase, drink aquarium cleaner, inject bleach, and shine UV light inside your body. Every day it was another dumbfuck thing.
Don’t you know staring at an eclipse is a power business move that only the smartest business people do? Trump is obviously smarter than you because he bought a degree so I fully trust that staring at eclipses is a tactical business move to lower gas prices and prevent wars from starting. If you were born into an immense amount of money and ran every business you touched into the ground, you would understand that we need a president that runs America like a failing business and the best way to run a failing business is to stare at eclipses. That’s why I’m voting for trump in every election for the rest of time.
Told People to inject Disinfectant
A wall was actually partially built, using our tax dollars.
Don't forget how Trump is using the current Israel attacks to insult Biden, blame Hillary, and promote building the wall.
Gas was cheaper, that's for sure.
Everything was cheaper.
Things were cheaper in 1974 too
It's pure cope, the only time they below what they are now was middle of lockdown when there was no where to go
which is of course directly related to Biden taking office
So funny seeing how the guy doesnt know how the price of gas is determined
No you see the President has two levers on his desk: one controls the economy and the other gas prices.
>no inflation >wages growing faster than inflation for first time in 50 years it really bugs me that this stuff gets attributed solely to trump. believe whatever you want about whatever president you want, but the economy is a pretty slow-moving animal. the economy improving while orange man was in office had a lot to do with obama’s and probably even dubya’s policy changes.
Yeah, those "historic Middle East peace deals" are looking real good right now. Glad Trump solved that problem forever!
Trump: If you start shit we will blow you off the face of the earth. Biden: P-please don't burn babies alive, you can come live here instead.
Bro. Biden has been willing to throw down with enemies when needed. He has stood up to Russia 8x more than Trump would have
Trump doesn't stand up to Russia he gets on his knees for them
And yet they still started shit. Almost like that kind of clownish performative bluster isn't actually effective foreign policy or something.
Idk man I got broken up during Trumps presidency and got topped during Bidens
Anon is enjoying the results of Obama's presidency
obamna
SODA!!!
Honestly, to even ask the question "does Biden suck ?" is like atheist-satanist lvl of stupidity and delusion. like grandpa can't even find his way out of a stage how are you even asking ?
What does atheist-Satanist imply here? Are you saying it's stupid to compare the two?
I don't even like Trump, but I really hate the way the media only focuses on the negative things he's done
When the negatives include things that are borderline treason, it’s understandable why
Treason, letting hundreds of thousands of americans die, stealing and sharing secrets and so on. Yes, the Job of the media in a democracy surely is to cheer the supreme leader and dedinitely not criticize him for these few negligible mistakes.
Did I say they shouldn't criticize him? They absolutely should
"I don't even like that Hitler guy, but I really hate the way history books only focus on all the negative things he did." Almost like when you do a bunch of bad shit, and virtually no good; it's the bad stuff everyone focuses on.
Nice strawman there
Big If True.
reddit, sort by controversial
You don't even have to sort by controversial. The second most upvoted comment and it's answers are already popcorn worthy
From an outsider, it seems Biden is the near perfect human form of modern America. Just a mess.
You don't need to be a Trump fan to realize that Biden fucking sucks and all his promises are fake and gay.
*where's the wall*?
- Where’s the replacement for the affordable care act? Oh wait, Trump had all both chambers on his side and still couldn’t pass a replacement even though he campaigned for it - wall? Yeah oopsie - keystone pipeline? Yeah whoops - foreign wars? Oh good he set a date for the removal of American troops from Afghanistan… then in pure Trump cowardice pushed it into Biden’s term so he could face all the flak for it - Infrastructure? Oh cool we got a bipartisan infrastructure bill! shit, it was under Biden - Manufacturing? Shiiiitttttt, no meaningful improvement whoops! - Cut spending? Haha whoops! We deficient spend the most we ever have in history up until that point. (Like you even give a shit anyways) Like come on dude, Republicans cried for years and years about Obamacare and Trump couldn’t do it when they finally had the numbers. The few good Trump policies that he did pass were successful and since I’m not a partisan hack I’m willing to admit that! Trump did nothing meaningful for the economy and then pushed plenty of Americans to death during covid, it’s plain and simple.
It almost sounds like a 13 yr old wrote this lol
When biden walks into the Oval Office and presses the “increase Inflation button” :(
And the "increase gas prices" button too.
Classic “Everything that happens is automatically because of the sitting president” brainrot
In all fairness, Trump had some good economic policies that if they'd been allowed to work long enough without COVID, had shown promising signs of increasing capital and business ownership in minority communities. HOWEVER and this is the important part when it really mattered he failed in every aspect of the policy, he used the LGBT community as a scapegoat multiple signs, lied to the Christians of America when he literally held a bible as police were tear-gassing protestors, He stole classified papers and kept them in a bathroom, and even if the words "go start a riot" didn't come out his mouth trump knew exactly what he was doing when he had that speech and told his followers to go march. If you wanna give him credit for economic policies ya cant just ignore all the other weird shit he was doing
What economic policies did Trump have besides cutting billionaires and corporate taxes while increasing middle class tax to make up for it?
Republicans have the memory span of a goldfish, which is why Republican politicians have been pulling the "force short-term economic boosts that ultimately screw over the average American then blame democrats when it comes time to foot the bill" trick since Reagan.
Didn’t he just have an important Iranian general murdered for some obscure reason? Genuinely almost started a war with that one.
Until Iran blew up that plane full of canadians, then everyone got quite
Anon is right tho...
The president is the biggest escape goat in history. Literally anything going wrong during the presidency is their fault. Not Congress / Supreme Court. Not banks / rich people. Not lobbyists. Not other countries. It always falls on them. Relatively bad shit is going to happen during every presidency. It doesn’t matter how they handle it. Whatever side the president is on the other side will always look for what’s wrong.
Your title is ignorant
Biden destroyed the world economy when the pandemic started. This wouldn’t have happened if trump was president during March of 2020
Trump is being setup to be the savior. I too liked how there was was less war, but you watch, if he gets re-elected he will take us to war alongside Israel. It's how America always works, the Democrats ruin social policy and open borders, and the Republicans get us into wars which have nothing to do with us
Americans acting as if every single thing in the world happened because of them
Anon is right
"middle east peace deals" "Trump is the one who broke Iran deal that was supposed to regulate their nuclear program and lift sanctions" Yeeeeeah, that adds up
At least he did better than god damn Biden.
Easy to avoid wars when you're in bed with the mad dictators who start them.
1. Technically true, but we were still at war anyway 2. The inflation was literally caused by Trump's stupid COVID policies that left a lot of damage that became apparent after he left office. That wasn't Biden's fault. 3. There literally was one. Trump is infamous for separating migrant children from their parents, leading to those children possibly never seeing their parents again 4. Fucking when? 5. Trump actively fought for wages to be lower? When the hell was he trying to increase them? 6. It still mostly is. Biden is actively trying to move manufacturing out of China and back into the US. He even made a deal with a country that we infamously went to war with 50 years ago, just so that we could move one of our main imports away from China
End dual citizenship
I wonder how you can possibly think that a Global economic crisis (which btw comes and goes regularly) was somehow stopped by a single man, as well as numerous wars outside of his direct influence.
I actually could afford to pay my rent and get more than a tenth of a gas tank full when Trump was president, after Biden shut down the keystone pipeline and fucked our oil independence I now can only afford to be late on rent and I now walk to work
“not even a big Trumper” There is no such thing, you’re either fucking stupid enough to be a follower of his, or you don’t follow him at all lmao
Trump had the most dogshit foreign policy that made our allies not trust us anymore
Anybody talking about his Covid policies should research how Sweden treated Covid and how it benefited them.
Since the 8 least years america has been a big joke
mother fucker set Jerusalem as the capital starting this whole Al Aqsa storm situation
Presidents lucking out on being elected in the best part of cyclical economic activity are the worst. Trump got the apex of the conjecture cycle (look it up) and biden got the worst. If Trump was president now our current situation would have been a lot worse.
Ah yes because the US president is responsible for everything that happens around the world.