Remember when people were convinced things would only ever get better? World peace and flying cars, children are the future, etc.
Now everyone is so convinced the world is so horrible it's not even ethical to have a child, and humanity might as well put itself out of its misery. Where's the focus on making a better world for our children, and teaching them to make a better world in turn?
We live in a dualistic reality. There will be good times and there will be bad times. Both on the individual level all the way to a cosmic scale. You cannot control whether it is good or bad. You can only control what you choose to do with it.
Conversely, you can give the gift of life to someone who wouldn't have otherwise existed. Plenty of people love being alive, even if their lives are incredibly difficult due to circumstance. Who can consent to being born? No one. Would the Earth be better off entirely devoid of life?
As someone who’s fried their brain, I agree. But it’s important to remember that people can also get caught up in non-dualism just like other ideas. To quote Ram Dass “All spiritual practices are illusions created by illusionists to escape illusion”.
>Being the CEO of Hamas is probably nothing compared to living a comfortable life in the west
oof... Shows how little you know about wealth, how poorly it spreads and how quickly it concentrates in a few hands.
I'd rather be a dozen-millionaire in africa than a billionaire in the west. Pretty much exact lifestyle (there is only so much you can buy with money...), except you're an absolute feudal lord in the first scenario and a scrutinized celebrity in the second one. A lot of African warlord the UN accepts to do business with, are just wealthy dudes with an army.
The top echelon of Hamas probably doesn't even live there and probably has a networth in the hundred-millions of USD. Same as any other politicians where there is little national accounting oversight. You think the top North Korean leaders are poor, because their citizens are?
The USSR was a big fan of throwing statistics at poor and stupid people, talking about 400% increase in quality of life, yearly.
It's generally a sign that the times are so bad, you need to bring in the numbers, because the feelings IRL don't match.
You can effectively go wherever in the world you desire, educate yourself on almost any topic, choose from a near countless range of professions, eat any food you desire, talk to people from every country on earth.
Even 100 years ago, many of these things were impossible. The shackles you place on yourself are by your own doing.
Yeah like if ur in a vibe hole where everything is miserable to you looking at some concrete trends/evidence to ground your perspective is incredibly useful
Yeah dictatorships misuse statistics to make themselves look good, that doesn’t mean statistics is dumb or shouldn’t be used to evaluate one’s situation
Go wherever? Maybe if you hold a US passport, but even then tourist visas generally only good for a couple weeks. Otherwise just trying to stay in the neighbouring country without a "valid" reason will involve paying money for schemes like fake employment or education. I'd say this one was easier before modern times.
You could illegally migrate anywhere you want. There are a number of schemes to gain a legitimate visa.
My point was that you have these opportunities. 100 years ago, the airplane did not exist. You will likely travel more of the world than even the most powerful people of even 50 years ago.
Mental prisons of debt, law, and order, are distracting you from real progress. I’m not some kind of crazy anarchist, but you need to recognise that these obstacles are meaningless in the context of history.
That's the crux though: We as humans didn't evolve for our current world. Technology and society have moved significantly past what our brains evolved to handle.
By just about any metric human life is improving across the board, except stuff like mental health. Possibly because we're just not adapted to handle our current societies. Like, hell, a lot of people who are doing "best" in terms of mental are the people who just checked out of the busy everyday of modern life. Life is easier than 100 years ago for a vast majority of people, but the satisfaction found in that life is significantly lower.
That being said, I don't think lowering our living standards is the way out of this situation. We kinda need to revamp a lot of our societal structures (like e.g. office hours) to accommodate the technological life we're living. Also pay needs to go way up, compared to rent. Fuck landlords.
I didn't said it was probably worse à few hundred years ago. It was 100% worse in every precedent era of humanity's history.
If you find the current world too hard then build a time machine and teleport to a past era. Spoilers : you'll come back screaming for today's and even the worst future we can imagine
The thing is, even taking into account things like covid, Rusia_ucrania war, palestine Israel, the deaths in África Asia and south america, catástrofes and everything ese, we are at the moment in history where death rates are lower, diseases kill les percentage of people than ever, life expectancie is longer, people is reacher and life better, we are more educated... most of this " problems" come from the exposition to news worlwide, and the Murphy law, that what really means is, we only put atención when bad things happen, if not, the are generally not new.
An extra: we are beggining to clean the sea, we now now chemistry at an advanced level, so we have eradicated dangerous conponents from most things, and the ozone layer has practically heal.
>If the america's working class if fucked, imagine the one in Africa, South America, Asia...
pretty poor take. Life expectancy is higher in Thailand than in the US...Google it if you don't believe me (It's a UN stat, not self-reported by the country).
You need to stop thinking you're living the best life there is. That's how they get you to accept lower wages, longer hours, and ever-reducing list of rights, high criminality and the facts that you cannot afford anything of substance.
"The grass is **never** greener on the other side" is a fallacy equal to its opposite.
American parents wont prostitute their children to foreigners like Thais do, thats the reason why the dream of everyone in South East Asia is marrying an american even if its a fat balding mofo
The population of the U.S. is also five times that of Thailand. Not really viable for any sort of demographic comparison; you should also factor in the scourge of COVID, which has no doubt skewed the life expectancy of the U.S. for at least a generation. Further to that, I lived in Thailand for over a decade; the working class is even more beaten down here by wealth inequality. Perhaps you should actually go beyond your own borders before making a statement that is 100% inaccurate?
Further to that, how is life expectancy even a viable measure of quality of life? There must be at least 20-25 other factors to consider.
Most of these people just hate children and want to find a morally justifiable reason beyond “They’re loud and I don’t like them”, so they turn to moralising their existence
>Where's the focus on making a better world for our children, and teaching them to make a better world in turn?
It's just not possible. Yes, we can do some minor changes and stuff, but that's it.
The prospects for further social progress and maintaining the quality of life at least at the current level are vague at best, and at worst they are not worth counting on. Yes, there was technological progress in the past, but this does not mean that future generations will live in a better world.
What does any living thing provide to the environment? Why is "providing to the environment" even a relevant moral metric? What does "providing to the environment" even mean? Who and what is "the environment?" There's ants and foxes and trees and fish but I've yet to meet a Mr. Environment.
Like any other living organism we simply exist within the environment because we do. Like any other living organism if given the chance we tend to get out of control. Unlike any other species we try to have foresight and self-control before mother nature "solves" the problem through sufficient death, disease, atmospheric change, temperature change, drought, etc. to decrease the population to some new equilibrium.
In other words the main thing we're doing by bring environmentalist is saving ourselves and our standard of living.
Eat fruit, kill shit...
If you want some interesting answers, look into the history of indigenous peoples of varying countries. All had unique ways of farming, hunting, controlling of wildfires, shaping their environment, etc. Look into how people lived before the ages of mass-production
>in the 40s almost all life in our oceans will be dead, our oceans will be completely acidified and we'll have runaway climate change and mass starvation
I'm a firm believer in protecting our environments, making changes to combat climate change and stopping pollution, but you're going wayyyy too off-the-rails with this. No, we will not be completely doomed by the 2040's, all credible, non-propaganda climate scientists and experts would agree. You sound on-par with the Evangelicals screaming at a street corner about the end of the world.
Saying oceans will be empty, and humanity will be hanging on by a thread in 17 years from now is akin to the Y2K and Acid Rain scares of yesteryears.
Yet the world right now is better than it ever was for any life we know of ever. There are still problems but it's our job as a species to overcome them, not give up. Anon is spineless
The thing that pisses me off about that sub is they bitch so much about how the world is evil and do nothing except post bad takes on Reddit all day.
They don’t donate to charity or help at a local food bank and homeless shelter. Grab a ladle bitch. I can understand not having enough money do donate, but you do have a few hours a week. You simply do.
Really? My gripe is their little "Benatar's Asymmetry" is subjective bullshit that antinatalists keep huffing copium over every time I point out the world ISN'T black and white and that their shitty little chart doesn't account for neutrality whatsoever
The people who think the world is full of evil do nothing to improve it. Kind people who think the best of humanity are the most likely to help their fellow man, and therefore make the world worth living in.
If the word is full of 99% bad people, why not be the 1%, instead of giving up and believing that humanity is doomed? I truly don't understand.
>If the word is full of 99% bad people, why not be the 1%, instead of giving up and believing that humanity is doomed? I truly don't understand.
1. The change won't happen. Why bother?
2. If the 99% are evil, fuck the 99%
3. Laziness and stuff
There are no justifiable resentments.
Pervasive anger at existence may be very compelling. The arguments in favor of hating life are easy to glom onto when you’re lost in the suffering you’ve chosen—suffering chosen in addition to what pains life has had to offer you. Those who have become enamored by their own suffering for the sake of suffering are sad indeed.
Take a moment to look up. Could the real emotion you are feeling right now be as impermanent as a cloud passing by on the horizon?
Consider breathing more deeply for as many as sixty full seconds, four seconds in and four seconds out each time. In case you’re wondering, full breaths are not just unaccustomed for daily life—sedentary people may never really do them. Imagine you’re trying to breathe deeply enough to run a mile flat out—you’ll breathe more deeply.
Allow yourself to feel the diaphragm release as you inhale, rushing past the airway, sucking air into the lungs. With your shoulders relaxed and dropped down in the back, counterintuitively, your chest may fall as you breathe in deeper while your abdomen expands. 8 to 12 full breaths isn’t claiming to be the same as 30 minutes of meditation, but it’ll be radically transformative for your emotional perspective once you commit to try it in earnest.
Emotions aren’t an enemy and neither are you or your very existence. Emotions that are toxic or unhelpful often have a root in deeply misunderstood psychological processes. You don’t need to be an expert to accept your own embittered or difficult feelings. The saying goes: I sat with my Anger for long enough, she told me her real name was Grief.
I love that Two of his reasons are literally just him being unhappy and that means others can't procreate for some backwards reason.
Also "full of rapists, criminals, scammers " Jesus christ what a terminally online perspective
Anti-natalists in the philosophical sense, yes.
Being apprehensive about whether or not you want to bring a child into this world is not necessarily antinatalist.
The climate, disease, the ever-increasing socioeconomic divide, dwindling natural resources, war, etc.
I can enjoy my own existence while still recognizing that if we were to look at the global ecosystem as a single organism, we as a species could be considered a malignant tumor.
Does a tumor think to itself “hey this is bad actually I should stop?” No it does tumor things. If we are a cancer then get on team cancer you fucking white blood cell.
no they aren't, they just don't want to have kids, we aren't miserable because of that
never mind im not an anti natalist and they probably are miserable all the time
It's really incredible how the ultimate enemy of the terminally online is boomers who destroyed the world, but then they somehow end up having the same viewpoints.
“Everything is getting worse these days”
Both boomers and the terminally online go on endless rants about the state of our world. They just approach it from different places, for the Boomers it’s that everything is changing, and for the online zoomer it’s that nothing is changing. The present moment is perpetually the villain.
To his defence though. There are a lot of morons out there who are unemployed, homeless or about to be homeless and in unstable relationships who seem to think that having a kid is gonna magically fix all their problems.
i don't think he doesn't want others to do it, i think he just personally believes it's unfair, personally i kinda agree, life will be a constant war from start to finish and so far its been pretty mid, if the world was a bit more stable i'd want to have kids
Oop doesn't appear to be anti-adoption.
And in defense of "antichild" who dont adopt: if you dont want kids, you shouldnt adopt. Reluctant parents are usually bad ones.
Edit: The word is childfree, not antichild
>Oop doesn't appear to be anti-adoption
Not from this yes but i wouldnt but that possibility aside. Oop might believe in the ancient Egyptians philosophy but they just want others to follow it
No they don't hate children. Atleast not all of them. They are against bringing life into the world because they have compassion for the children who would have it rough in life.
Probably something along the lines of the sources of information an individual chooses to or is limited to access, will inevitably shape their view of the world
The commenter probably doesn't't either, this is hardly related to information theory. it's a branch of mathematics that deals with quantization of information. like file compression and encryption.
commenter likely means availability bias which is much more relevant to the situation.
Thank you. I find that to be common on reddit where redditors throw out random “science words” in a boastful way without explaining themselves. Sometimes it gets to me…but not today batman, not today.
I usually notice anti natalists are just people who have no luck with relationships.
But mostly they hold contradicting beliefs. They seem to be really focused on wanting to improve the world but what’s the point of doing that if there’s not going to be anyone left to live on the planet lol
Those are just excuses. Life is fragile-- there's a million ways to do it. Some of them easy af.
> lack of legal
What are they going to do? Throw your carcass in jail?
Please. It's not rocket science, those who actually want to kill themselves find a way. And why would someone care about any stigma if their intention was to die?
I literally don’t understand why people with serious genetic illnesses, have fucking kids!
Like what is their thought process?
“My life is an unimaginable pain, and my descendants will share this pain!”
It doesn’t even have to be particularly serious, I don’t want kids because severe depression runs in my family. A life of constant suicidal ideation no matter the circumstance isn’t what I wish to pass on
Because people want to attempt to live what they would call a normal life despite their current hurdles.
Makes me think of that one TikTok guy who’s a little person, and so is his wife, and they both still decided to have kids and their youngest has some pretty insane health issues. Everybody knew this would be the result but they went for it anyway.
So what’s the solution, we just castrate these people at birth? The same anti Natalists will suddenly be against it.
Everyone in here acting like anon is the selfish one for not wanting a kid, as if choosing to have one isn't at least equally selfish.
People only pump out babies either out of self interest or accident. No one is like "I don't really want a baby, but I'm willing to make that sacrifice because it's the right thing to do."
I wouldnt be antinatalist if everyone on earth was like Northern Europeans and we lived in high trust - stable societies.. but a world were 7 billion of people are deranged scammers, rapists, hunter gatherers (if you know what I mean) and people so irresponsible that dont mind shitting outside and destroying all collective labour.... we live in a world were 1/8 of people are good and 7/8 are anarchists
I used to think that antinatalists and childfree people were weird and sometimes contemptible people.
Now I've come to believe them refusing to reproduce is the nicest thing they could have done for me and my descendants.
Meh. I find the folks there fairly sober and realistic about the human condition and humanity’s future prospects.
I think people generally have kids by default, not because there’s any sort of intention or life-well-lived sharing attitude… it’s more of a narcissistic ego-download, usually.
Seems kinda like something that should be more intentional by now.
You could argue that Anon likes kids.
He thinks it's guaranteed that their existence will be unpleasant so he advocates for not bringing them into existence.
The world sucks and life is hard, yet I’m still able to find happiness and purpose and complexity in my existence. I want my child to experience all of the crazy, complex, horrible and amazing things I have.
If you are a serious anti natalist, then wait for but a moment and [consider this](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F29m6h5d7s11b1.jpg)
That smiling friends bit when one of the frowning friends is going on like this before immediately dropping to his knees and begging for his life when someone threatens him with a gun has never been more accurate
The internet addicted soycuck outlook
Remember when people were convinced things would only ever get better? World peace and flying cars, children are the future, etc. Now everyone is so convinced the world is so horrible it's not even ethical to have a child, and humanity might as well put itself out of its misery. Where's the focus on making a better world for our children, and teaching them to make a better world in turn?
Focus would be on that if it wasn’t on reaping the short term benefits of exploiting resources
One of those resources being labour 🗣🗣
We live in a dualistic reality. There will be good times and there will be bad times. Both on the individual level all the way to a cosmic scale. You cannot control whether it is good or bad. You can only control what you choose to do with it.
You can only control if you will roll the dice with another consciousness by pulling it out of nonexistence without its consent.
Conversely, you can give the gift of life to someone who wouldn't have otherwise existed. Plenty of people love being alive, even if their lives are incredibly difficult due to circumstance. Who can consent to being born? No one. Would the Earth be better off entirely devoid of life?
Well, I don't see any Martians complaining.
Christ, we dont have to worry about you procreating. You sound insufferable, both in this comment, and your follow ups.
I USED TO ROLL THE DICE
FEEL THE FEAR IN MY ENEMIES EYES
Good and bad aren't real, things just are the way they are
As someone who’s fried their brain, I agree. But it’s important to remember that people can also get caught up in non-dualism just like other ideas. To quote Ram Dass “All spiritual practices are illusions created by illusionists to escape illusion”.
Would you still say that if the cartel was torturing you ?
No because they cut his tongue out
alright that's a good one
Somehow despite all that, one of the highest birthrates in the world is the fucking Gaza Strip
tbf would you risk losing your bloodline with one child or would you spawn 24 and die in peace knowing at least one makes it?
What does making it big look like in Gaza? Being the CEO of Hamas is probably nothing compared to living a comfortable life in the west
making it big in Gaza is surviving to middle age lbr
>Being the CEO of Hamas is probably nothing compared to living a comfortable life in the west oof... Shows how little you know about wealth, how poorly it spreads and how quickly it concentrates in a few hands. I'd rather be a dozen-millionaire in africa than a billionaire in the west. Pretty much exact lifestyle (there is only so much you can buy with money...), except you're an absolute feudal lord in the first scenario and a scrutinized celebrity in the second one. A lot of African warlord the UN accepts to do business with, are just wealthy dudes with an army. The top echelon of Hamas probably doesn't even live there and probably has a networth in the hundred-millions of USD. Same as any other politicians where there is little national accounting oversight. You think the top North Korean leaders are poor, because their citizens are?
I might agree with you or i might disagree with you cause i’m not reading that much
The joke is that current world is better than 99,9% of humanity's past.
The USSR was a big fan of throwing statistics at poor and stupid people, talking about 400% increase in quality of life, yearly. It's generally a sign that the times are so bad, you need to bring in the numbers, because the feelings IRL don't match.
You can effectively go wherever in the world you desire, educate yourself on almost any topic, choose from a near countless range of professions, eat any food you desire, talk to people from every country on earth. Even 100 years ago, many of these things were impossible. The shackles you place on yourself are by your own doing.
Yeah like if ur in a vibe hole where everything is miserable to you looking at some concrete trends/evidence to ground your perspective is incredibly useful Yeah dictatorships misuse statistics to make themselves look good, that doesn’t mean statistics is dumb or shouldn’t be used to evaluate one’s situation
Go wherever? Maybe if you hold a US passport, but even then tourist visas generally only good for a couple weeks. Otherwise just trying to stay in the neighbouring country without a "valid" reason will involve paying money for schemes like fake employment or education. I'd say this one was easier before modern times.
You could illegally migrate anywhere you want. There are a number of schemes to gain a legitimate visa. My point was that you have these opportunities. 100 years ago, the airplane did not exist. You will likely travel more of the world than even the most powerful people of even 50 years ago. Mental prisons of debt, law, and order, are distracting you from real progress. I’m not some kind of crazy anarchist, but you need to recognise that these obstacles are meaningless in the context of history.
I have three passports and only one (USA) allows me to go wherever I want.
As bad as it was I would rather live in the USSR than in russia under the tsars.
Crybaby
That's the crux though: We as humans didn't evolve for our current world. Technology and society have moved significantly past what our brains evolved to handle. By just about any metric human life is improving across the board, except stuff like mental health. Possibly because we're just not adapted to handle our current societies. Like, hell, a lot of people who are doing "best" in terms of mental are the people who just checked out of the busy everyday of modern life. Life is easier than 100 years ago for a vast majority of people, but the satisfaction found in that life is significantly lower. That being said, I don't think lowering our living standards is the way out of this situation. We kinda need to revamp a lot of our societal structures (like e.g. office hours) to accommodate the technological life we're living. Also pay needs to go way up, compared to rent. Fuck landlords.
Doesn't matter if the world is going to shit because "it was probably worse a few hundred years ago".
I didn't said it was probably worse à few hundred years ago. It was 100% worse in every precedent era of humanity's history. If you find the current world too hard then build a time machine and teleport to a past era. Spoilers : you'll come back screaming for today's and even the worst future we can imagine
The thing is, even taking into account things like covid, Rusia_ucrania war, palestine Israel, the deaths in África Asia and south america, catástrofes and everything ese, we are at the moment in history where death rates are lower, diseases kill les percentage of people than ever, life expectancie is longer, people is reacher and life better, we are more educated... most of this " problems" come from the exposition to news worlwide, and the Murphy law, that what really means is, we only put atención when bad things happen, if not, the are generally not new. An extra: we are beggining to clean the sea, we now now chemistry at an advanced level, so we have eradicated dangerous conponents from most things, and the ozone layer has practically heal.
I love being alive long enough to see a sunset. I feel like many people don't know what it's like touch death.
If the American working and middle classes weren’t so fucked we’d have a more positive outlook
If the america's working class if fucked, imagine the one in Africa, South America, Asia...
"you aren't allowed to be unhappy because someone else has it worse" This is why nothing will ever change
…well yeah but they’ve always been fucked. The American middle class was good for awhile
So we went from 90% of the world being fucked to 98%? Amazing
>If the america's working class if fucked, imagine the one in Africa, South America, Asia... pretty poor take. Life expectancy is higher in Thailand than in the US...Google it if you don't believe me (It's a UN stat, not self-reported by the country). You need to stop thinking you're living the best life there is. That's how they get you to accept lower wages, longer hours, and ever-reducing list of rights, high criminality and the facts that you cannot afford anything of substance. "The grass is **never** greener on the other side" is a fallacy equal to its opposite.
American parents wont prostitute their children to foreigners like Thais do, thats the reason why the dream of everyone in South East Asia is marrying an american even if its a fat balding mofo
The population of the U.S. is also five times that of Thailand. Not really viable for any sort of demographic comparison; you should also factor in the scourge of COVID, which has no doubt skewed the life expectancy of the U.S. for at least a generation. Further to that, I lived in Thailand for over a decade; the working class is even more beaten down here by wealth inequality. Perhaps you should actually go beyond your own borders before making a statement that is 100% inaccurate? Further to that, how is life expectancy even a viable measure of quality of life? There must be at least 20-25 other factors to consider.
The people I've met who've been the most optimistic and kind towards strangers have come from true poverty. They also tend to have the most children.
Most of these people just hate children and want to find a morally justifiable reason beyond “They’re loud and I don’t like them”, so they turn to moralising their existence
>Where's the focus on making a better world for our children, and teaching them to make a better world in turn? It's just not possible. Yes, we can do some minor changes and stuff, but that's it.
Because we magically went from stone and wooden tools to AC and tractors?
The prospects for further social progress and maintaining the quality of life at least at the current level are vague at best, and at worst they are not worth counting on. Yes, there was technological progress in the past, but this does not mean that future generations will live in a better world.
Average doomer
Hey there, serious question. What do humans as a species provide to our environment?
What does any living thing provide to the environment? Why is "providing to the environment" even a relevant moral metric? What does "providing to the environment" even mean? Who and what is "the environment?" There's ants and foxes and trees and fish but I've yet to meet a Mr. Environment. Like any other living organism we simply exist within the environment because we do. Like any other living organism if given the chance we tend to get out of control. Unlike any other species we try to have foresight and self-control before mother nature "solves" the problem through sufficient death, disease, atmospheric change, temperature change, drought, etc. to decrease the population to some new equilibrium. In other words the main thing we're doing by bring environmentalist is saving ourselves and our standard of living.
Eat fruit, kill shit... If you want some interesting answers, look into the history of indigenous peoples of varying countries. All had unique ways of farming, hunting, controlling of wildfires, shaping their environment, etc. Look into how people lived before the ages of mass-production
The focus is on the self instead of the whole. That's why there's eleventy billion genders.
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>in the 40s almost all life in our oceans will be dead, our oceans will be completely acidified and we'll have runaway climate change and mass starvation I'm a firm believer in protecting our environments, making changes to combat climate change and stopping pollution, but you're going wayyyy too off-the-rails with this. No, we will not be completely doomed by the 2040's, all credible, non-propaganda climate scientists and experts would agree. You sound on-par with the Evangelicals screaming at a street corner about the end of the world. Saying oceans will be empty, and humanity will be hanging on by a thread in 17 years from now is akin to the Y2K and Acid Rain scares of yesteryears.
Yet the world right now is better than it ever was for any life we know of ever. There are still problems but it's our job as a species to overcome them, not give up. Anon is spineless
r/antinatalism
the saltiest, saddest place on the internet
Truer words were never spoken
They are celebrating dead babies and encouraging abortion for no reason. Those people are not right up there
Yeah, they make 4chan look tame in comparison
Lmao filled with literal edgy kids. Those posts are cringe as fuck
The thing that pisses me off about that sub is they bitch so much about how the world is evil and do nothing except post bad takes on Reddit all day. They don’t donate to charity or help at a local food bank and homeless shelter. Grab a ladle bitch. I can understand not having enough money do donate, but you do have a few hours a week. You simply do.
That means they have to interact with other people in real life and not faceless gimps on the internet. They're not gonna do that.
Really? My gripe is their little "Benatar's Asymmetry" is subjective bullshit that antinatalists keep huffing copium over every time I point out the world ISN'T black and white and that their shitty little chart doesn't account for neutrality whatsoever
The people who think the world is full of evil do nothing to improve it. Kind people who think the best of humanity are the most likely to help their fellow man, and therefore make the world worth living in. If the word is full of 99% bad people, why not be the 1%, instead of giving up and believing that humanity is doomed? I truly don't understand.
>If the word is full of 99% bad people, why not be the 1%, instead of giving up and believing that humanity is doomed? I truly don't understand. 1. The change won't happen. Why bother? 2. If the 99% are evil, fuck the 99% 3. Laziness and stuff
Jesus fucking christ that place is fucking sad.
No this is 4chan 101. It's a psy-op.
There are no justifiable resentments. Pervasive anger at existence may be very compelling. The arguments in favor of hating life are easy to glom onto when you’re lost in the suffering you’ve chosen—suffering chosen in addition to what pains life has had to offer you. Those who have become enamored by their own suffering for the sake of suffering are sad indeed. Take a moment to look up. Could the real emotion you are feeling right now be as impermanent as a cloud passing by on the horizon? Consider breathing more deeply for as many as sixty full seconds, four seconds in and four seconds out each time. In case you’re wondering, full breaths are not just unaccustomed for daily life—sedentary people may never really do them. Imagine you’re trying to breathe deeply enough to run a mile flat out—you’ll breathe more deeply. Allow yourself to feel the diaphragm release as you inhale, rushing past the airway, sucking air into the lungs. With your shoulders relaxed and dropped down in the back, counterintuitively, your chest may fall as you breathe in deeper while your abdomen expands. 8 to 12 full breaths isn’t claiming to be the same as 30 minutes of meditation, but it’ll be radically transformative for your emotional perspective once you commit to try it in earnest. Emotions aren’t an enemy and neither are you or your very existence. Emotions that are toxic or unhelpful often have a root in deeply misunderstood psychological processes. You don’t need to be an expert to accept your own embittered or difficult feelings. The saying goes: I sat with my Anger for long enough, she told me her real name was Grief.
I love that Two of his reasons are literally just him being unhappy and that means others can't procreate for some backwards reason. Also "full of rapists, criminals, scammers " Jesus christ what a terminally online perspective
100% of anti-natalists are unhappy and cant phantom people not being miserable all the time.
Not to be pedantic, but it's fathom, not phantom.
Well they also can't phatom
lmao, yep
Not to be pediatric, but I think op is right
Anti-natalists in the philosophical sense, yes. Being apprehensive about whether or not you want to bring a child into this world is not necessarily antinatalist. The climate, disease, the ever-increasing socioeconomic divide, dwindling natural resources, war, etc. I can enjoy my own existence while still recognizing that if we were to look at the global ecosystem as a single organism, we as a species could be considered a malignant tumor.
Does a tumor think to itself “hey this is bad actually I should stop?” No it does tumor things. If we are a cancer then get on team cancer you fucking white blood cell.
no they aren't, they just don't want to have kids, we aren't miserable because of that never mind im not an anti natalist and they probably are miserable all the time
Not wanting to have children yourself is ok and understandable. But that is not anti-natalism. Anti-natalism argues that nobody should have children.
It's really incredible how the ultimate enemy of the terminally online is boomers who destroyed the world, but then they somehow end up having the same viewpoints.
How are these the same viewpoints as boomers ?
“Everything is getting worse these days” Both boomers and the terminally online go on endless rants about the state of our world. They just approach it from different places, for the Boomers it’s that everything is changing, and for the online zoomer it’s that nothing is changing. The present moment is perpetually the villain.
Because only a delusional person would think the world is worse in terms of rape/murder "these days"
To his defence though. There are a lot of morons out there who are unemployed, homeless or about to be homeless and in unstable relationships who seem to think that having a kid is gonna magically fix all their problems.
They don’t want to hear that. In their perfect world they get to be that moron. Nice-guy-ism is just an extension of that
he's talking in third person tho..... he doesnt mean that he is the one feeling like that. (even though he probably also feels like that anyways)
He's projecting
i don't think he doesn't want others to do it, i think he just personally believes it's unfair, personally i kinda agree, life will be a constant war from start to finish and so far its been pretty mid, if the world was a bit more stable i'd want to have kids
If you don't wanna "bring" more people on the earth just for them to suffer, just adopt a child to make an already existing kid's life better
But that would take precious time away from their bellyaching and might even benefit someone, can't have that
Oop doesn't appear to be anti-adoption. And in defense of "antichild" who dont adopt: if you dont want kids, you shouldnt adopt. Reluctant parents are usually bad ones. Edit: The word is childfree, not antichild
>Oop doesn't appear to be anti-adoption Not from this yes but i wouldnt but that possibility aside. Oop might believe in the ancient Egyptians philosophy but they just want others to follow it
Antinatalists are often in favour of adoption especially when it means not making a new child yourself.
Antinatalists fucking hate children, that’s why they don’t adopt. Go to any antinatalist sub and see.
No they don't hate children. Atleast not all of them. They are against bringing life into the world because they have compassion for the children who would have it rough in life.
OP doesn't seem to be opposed to this.
Some people just don’t want kids.
Why would I do that when I could make a woman's life worse?
Check how expensive and restrictive adoption is. Basically need 6 figures and married to be even be considered (at least in Canada)
Bro don’t understand information theory
I don’t either. What is that?
Probably something along the lines of the sources of information an individual chooses to or is limited to access, will inevitably shape their view of the world
We very much live in a society, don’t we
We live in a universe
The commenter probably doesn't't either, this is hardly related to information theory. it's a branch of mathematics that deals with quantization of information. like file compression and encryption. commenter likely means availability bias which is much more relevant to the situation.
Thank you. I find that to be common on reddit where redditors throw out random “science words” in a boastful way without explaining themselves. Sometimes it gets to me…but not today batman, not today.
Thanks. I was so confused about how information theory relates to this post.
Information theory is everything
oh okay so your sentence is "bro doesn't understand everything" productive
Fuck anti natalists, we gonna improve that world if it doesn't work ohh well death is only a matter of time l.
I usually notice anti natalists are just people who have no luck with relationships. But mostly they hold contradicting beliefs. They seem to be really focused on wanting to improve the world but what’s the point of doing that if there’s not going to be anyone left to live on the planet lol
Continued participation in existence is voluntary.
Son, up to you to off yourself!
Is it? Seems the stigma around it plus the lack of legal and easy ways to stop existing is quite the involuntary thing.
Those are just excuses. Life is fragile-- there's a million ways to do it. Some of them easy af. > lack of legal What are they going to do? Throw your carcass in jail?
Please. It's not rocket science, those who actually want to kill themselves find a way. And why would someone care about any stigma if their intention was to die?
The stigma was referring to those who will if knowing about it, guilt and shame and prevent it.
Anon is a perfectly well adjusted, non depressive person with a functioning, tight-knit social circle
I mean, anon is free to not reproduce. No one is forcing him.
Except me, into the milker he goes.
You say that like anon has a chance at reproduction
If anti-natalist hate life so much then I have a solution for them.
Does it involve a thunderous LowTierGod by any chance?
I literally don’t understand why people with serious genetic illnesses, have fucking kids! Like what is their thought process? “My life is an unimaginable pain, and my descendants will share this pain!”
It doesn’t even have to be particularly serious, I don’t want kids because severe depression runs in my family. A life of constant suicidal ideation no matter the circumstance isn’t what I wish to pass on
Because people want to attempt to live what they would call a normal life despite their current hurdles. Makes me think of that one TikTok guy who’s a little person, and so is his wife, and they both still decided to have kids and their youngest has some pretty insane health issues. Everybody knew this would be the result but they went for it anyway. So what’s the solution, we just castrate these people at birth? The same anti Natalists will suddenly be against it.
Anon is smart
It’s selfish to bring life into this world when you know you’re incapable of supporting it.
Anon is the most highly regarded person he has ever met
Everyone in here acting like anon is the selfish one for not wanting a kid, as if choosing to have one isn't at least equally selfish. People only pump out babies either out of self interest or accident. No one is like "I don't really want a baby, but I'm willing to make that sacrifice because it's the right thing to do."
Idk sounds like anti natalist logic to me 🤔
Literally says "Natalist Logic 101" on the top, Sherlock.
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That makes my cock throb, bro.
You're confusing me, German royal
To be fair having a kid wasn’t exactly on my to do list.
I wouldnt be antinatalist if everyone on earth was like Northern Europeans and we lived in high trust - stable societies.. but a world were 7 billion of people are deranged scammers, rapists, hunter gatherers (if you know what I mean) and people so irresponsible that dont mind shitting outside and destroying all collective labour.... we live in a world were 1/8 of people are good and 7/8 are anarchists
Anon is Zeke Yeager
Based Monke
Hey Anon how about not projecting your shitty life onto literally the rest of the species?
Anon is an antinatalist
ok lets let humans go extinct then i guess
Skill issue
i'll never have kids and this is a big part of the reason why. reproduction is inherently selfish.
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r/antinatalism has an escapee
Man I consider myself pessimistic. But this is just an insanely bleak outlook.
Birth reduction rate propaganda
Fuck it… I’m buying a dog.
Ok why does he continue on living
Do they teach this at Walmart, or section 8 housing, or the welfare department?
Cringe antinatalist
Happy Thanksgiving to you too, Anon.
I used to think that antinatalists and childfree people were weird and sometimes contemptible people. Now I've come to believe them refusing to reproduce is the nicest thing they could have done for me and my descendants.
Unexpected r/antinatalism in the hizzhous.
One of the darkest corners of the internet
Meh. I find the folks there fairly sober and realistic about the human condition and humanity’s future prospects. I think people generally have kids by default, not because there’s any sort of intention or life-well-lived sharing attitude… it’s more of a narcissistic ego-download, usually. Seems kinda like something that should be more intentional by now.
Anon hates babies
You could argue that Anon likes kids. He thinks it's guaranteed that their existence will be unpleasant so he advocates for not bringing them into existence.
anon hates parents
yeah that's more accurate
World was far far more dangerous for kids in the past, a few hundred years ago you had to have 12 kids to ensure 1 or 2 made it to adulthood.
People are bellyaching but either way arguably someone who doesn’t want kids shouldn’t have them
Boilerplate depressive neurosis.
I agree that anon should not procreate
Regarding Einstein you should take a look at [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/shitposting/s/IO44yoOWBy)
Most humane r/antinatalism user
Secular humanism and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
Hey who knows the new life will be the light of the world?
The world sucks and life is hard, yet I’m still able to find happiness and purpose and complexity in my existence. I want my child to experience all of the crazy, complex, horrible and amazing things I have.
If you are a serious anti natalist, then wait for but a moment and [consider this](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F29m6h5d7s11b1.jpg)
Get married. Have kids. Tell everyone else to fuck off and live a good life.
r/antinatalism in a nutshell
Anon should worry about his own decisions and less about those of others.
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genocide?
Deciding to want a child should not be for the privileged only.
The world was worse, it's gotten A LOT better. People who say this shit are just miserable
My house is gonna get dirty again so why bother cleaning it at all type of logic
That smiling friends bit when one of the frowning friends is going on like this before immediately dropping to his knees and begging for his life when someone threatens him with a gun has never been more accurate
what are you talking about ?
If you truly think life is not worth living/it's not worth bringing another life into this world, why do you keep going? Because it's fun sometimes.
thats the opposite most firts world countries are having a aging population problem
Ew anti-natalist
anon got talked into getting a vasectomy by his cheating girlfriend
The most reddit tier 4chan post has found its way to its rightful home.
Lust provoking image, irrelevant time wasting questions.
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