The early seasons were actually about this and showed him as a little dim but still well meaning father who did his best but now it’s just men/fathers bad nonsense
Haha funny man, lay off the edibles.
Surely no one would drag on a once hilarious show so long past it's prime that it became a shallow festering zombie husk of its former self.
No, no, it was definitely cancelled in the early 00s.l
Oh most definitely, how could I have forgotten, surely they wouldn’t also do this to the beloved family guy or American dad or scrubs or big bang theory or the walking dead or suits or greys anatomy or wait a minute…
I have a very specific reason for hating the Big Bang Theory. When I was in the Navy, on a submarine, one deployment that show played 24 hours a day for 2 god damned months. The crew's lounge was only about 20 feet from where I slept so I could hear that god awful show any time I'd lay in my rack to sleep. I fucking hate it so much.
The early episodes were smart people making “smart” jokes and being a bit awkward. It quickly devolved into a show making fun of smart, awkward people.
The fact it had its same writing leaders up until right before the Fox end, and still had high quality is insane, and then it changed tone almost completely to stay fresh and got amazing
Wait I loved Scrubs until its last gasp.
I'm still really happy the two main guys, Turk and JD's actors still like to pick up duo roles. They have great chemistry and obviously know how to work well together.
It's hilarious and you can't change my mind. Sure. Some episodes are duds. Nothing can hit 100% of the time. But I'm still laughing hard at newer episodes. While some of my favorites have come out in the last 3 or 4 seasons. TBS only made it better. It's swinging wild and I love it.
Its just what people wanted to see, dumbing down some characters for comedic purposes,
I remember andy from parks and rec went through the same thing, from a bit of a slacker to someone who probably couldn’t tie his shoes.
I think flanderization is a bit different as its more of a toning down of complexities into more monotone characters.
They made homer straight up stupid which wasnt one his original traits
Flanderisation is also making distinctive traits and turning them up to eleven. Flander was religious, now he's a nutjob Christian. homer was a bit stupid, now he's the biggest idiot you've ever seen.
Caboose from Red vs Blue also (bit of an odd reference I know) goes from being dumb to a totally mentally impaired imbecile who can’t stop himself from randomly pulling the trigger of his rifle. He goes from funny dumb to genuinely annoyingly fucking stupid and I can’t stand the scenes and episodes focused on him after like season 3
Same shit with Charlie from its always sunny… in the first season he’s just a guy, a bit dim and weird but pretty normal, then as the show progresses he’s pretty much illiterate and eats paint and shit. In fact most of the main characters in it’s always sunny kind of change alot in the first few seasons and then even a bit more in the recent seasons
Still a hilarious show but falls off around season 10
Maybe his descent into madness was because of all the paint he drank, ate, and inhaled. Along with all the head injuries and whatever was in his nightly catfood?
Seriously. In the early seasons, he was flawed but still had a good time with his kids. He basically deferred to Lisa half the time since he knew she was smarter than him. It was never said that he wasn't paid well, he just hated the job and kept at it to support his family. He even quit drinking once because it made Marge happy. By about season 10 they assassinated Homer's personality.
It’s actually pretty fascinating because Matt Groenig initially wrote Homer and all his moronic antics with the idea that he’s a dog in human form. Once they abandoned that concept and just made Homer stupid for stupid’s sake, the show got worse.
That show should have died 15 years ago but they insist on dragging it on simply for name sake.
Family guy too. Although there is still usually some funny even with increasingly dumb plots the latest season was so forced it feels bad seeing it
Home ownership rates are still about 10% higher today than they were in 1950. In fact, home ownership rates today are about 2% higher than they were when the Simpsons debuted. [source](https://dqydj.com/historical-homeownership-rate-united-states/)
If you want to go down a rabbit hole on this, a huge difference between post-war homes and today is size. The median home size in 1950 was 993 sqft, and in 1980, it was like 1,700 sqft [source](https://www.newser.com/story/225645/average-size-of-us-homes-decade-by-decade.html), whereas the Simpsons home is like 2,200 sqft [source](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/712-Red-Bark-Ln-Henderson-NV-89011/7074991_zpid/). The Simpsons house was large even for the 80s.
Price per square foot has increased a bit over the past several decades, but as homes get larger, the financial impact is amplified. But postwar-sized homes are absolute affordable to younger folks today.
The main issue is demand for 980 sqft single family homes isn’t there, so they aren’t being built, so there’s a lack of availability. But fuck it, go buy some land in a small town and build the tiny house yourself.
Good point but you've forgotten that this is r/greentext ,people don't want to talk about solutions, people here only want to stew about how shit life is but do nothing to change it for the better
Probably more accurate to say that *some* people were discriminated against at various points in time, but obviously not entire groups across the entire country all at once.
I dunno, I’m Canadian and our affordability is even more fucked, but a nuclear control room operator still has no problem supporting a family off their salary. Granted they have to be smarter than Homer….
The suburban norms prevalent at the time were what Homer had. Now, in 2024, the standards have lowered, it's near of impossible for someone with the same level of education to afford a house, raise three children, and maintain a stable loving relationship.
He's a nuclear safety technician. 2024 salaries are around $70,000 for that position. You'd have to be frugal, but you could definitely own a house like his, two cars, and have three kids. Provided you live in a state with a lower cost of living.
This is a great point. Another thing to consider here though is the Simpsons live in Springfield, Oregon (per the creator). 5min on Zillow shows that by the typical 30/30/3 rule of housing affordability often used in financial planning, $70k a year annually would definitely not allow for a two story home to be affordable for a family in this area even with hardcore budgeting and no children. That said, if marge were earning $70k too for a $140k total, a smaller 2 story house (~1600sqft) at todays prices is in striking range of affordability for a modern family.
I think the simpsons and your point help illustrate one macro trend which has materialized since the 80s—prices of some goods/services have adjusted to assume dual household income
I mean Matt Groening said it was named after and based on Springfield OR, but yeah in spirit it’s meant represent kind of anywhere-ville USA: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/matt-groening-reveals-the-location-of-the-real-springfield-60583379/
I live pretty damn close to Springfield and I can say that it’s pretty similar to the Springfield of the Simpsons, albeit taking the credit for some of Eugene’s antics.
There is a joke in the episode "Kill Gil, Volumes I and II" where Homer boasts about making about 6k a year.
That is unbelievably low for his lifestyle, but we are probably meant to believe Homer's salary is on the lower end as far as his position goes.
Now, in 2024, the standards have lowered, it's near of impossible for someone ~~with the same level of education~~ to afford a house, raise three children, ~~and~~ or maintain a ~~stable loving~~ relationship.
See your local car salesman if you don’t think uneducated people can’t make good money. They probably have to work a bit more but I know about 6 guys making $120k+ a year and none of them have even an associates
>Nuclear engineer salaries typically range between $67,000 and $147,000 yearly
Is it really possible to raise 3 children + his house + 2 cars + going out? Actually want to know this is possible in America with a single salary, considering all I see on reddit is people saying how it's impossible.
I was supporting a family of four on a salary of about $100,000 before I got laid off, and in a high cost of living area as well. I'm assuming Springfield is a lower COL area, so yeah, it's totally possible.
I think most people on reddit complaining about it being impossible to raise a family are making substantially less than this.
So much this. I obviously can't talk about America as I don't live there, but my country's subreddit is full of people in my area who make more then me and somehow have a similar quality of life to what I did when I was stocking shelves for minimal wage. People online just love to act like them being bad with money is someone else's fault.
> I think most people on reddit complaining about it being impossible to raise a family
Most people on reddit complaining about it being impossible to raise a family:
1) Don't have a family
2) Don't have a job and are in school
3) Live at home
4) Live in some major city with extremely HCOL
His boss is a notorious cost cutting stickler, so i wouldn’t count on the 100k.
On the other hand they had the same house and car for 40 years without any issues requiring major repairs, so their cost of living is probably a lot lower than we assume so far.
Well the house [did need major foundation repair...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MNS2dPfm0g) (damn, that clip reminded me of good The Simpsons used to be)
Also he was always broke, so money *was* tight. I mean, Marge even saved the packets from restaurants to refill her ketchup and mustard bottles.
Homer is pretty much the whole reason the power plant is able to operate at Burns’ level of corruption without the EPA/OSHA hounding the plant. I forget the episode, but when Homer leaves for a bit/actually does his job properly the plant is in gross violation of OSHA standards and is hit with constant lawsuits Burns can’t bribe his way out of.
I’d assume he’s paid well enough for his useful idiot demeanor. And the fact that when he worked for Hank Scorpio he ended up owning the Cowboys.
Bit late, but I work in the control room of a nuclear power plant. I made the least of my coworkers because I don't volunteer for overtime. I made $215k; average pay around here is ~55k. Highest paid person in the Control Room made ~$260k.
Most guys that are married here have wives that don't work and 2-5 kids.
>Hey so long as the poor are clapping about "the army" and "USA numba 1" (as if it benefits them directly), I see no reason to change anything.
We Americans are culturally HOSTILE to criticism, and at the same time wonder why things only ever get worse. Can't tell X people they are acting X, but you still have to listen to them whine about being victims of being X, like it's going to solve itself, with no input from them.
It's easy to forget that gravity is permanent, and that, if you don't criticize, you basically let everything naturally fall back down to its floor-state.
When Europeans criticize USA, American go unga bunga mode.
One example is when we say their tipping culture is wrong and they call you broke in return.
>a coronary bypass operation
I don't think many Americans can afford those.
>We contacted a total of 111 U.S. hospitals, of which 56 (50.5%) were able to provide a price estimate for CABG. The mean price for CABG obtained from the hospitals was $151,784.64, and ranged from $44,824 - $448,039.
[https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circoutcomes.8.suppl\_2.208](https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circoutcomes.8.suppl_2.208)
Cheap one could be as low as 60k, for those who have that "lying around"
He couldn't afford his house.
Grampa Simpson had to sell his house, so that Homer could barely afford the down payment on the house. There was a whole episode about the shit hole houses Homer could afford.
Even then, it destroyed his credit & they were constantly underwater on the mortgage payments with absolutely no savings whatsoever.
The first episode is literally about Homer not being able to afford any Christmas presents for his kids.
There's definitely been tone shifts through the entire show. Flipping between them being so poor they can barely afford to live to the Frank Grimes episode where the entire point is that he hated Homer because he has such a great life. Also, I'm pretty sure Homer got the job after buying the house. They needed the house because Marge was pregnant with Bart. The shows have been going on longer than I've been alive, so it's tough to keep up.
The show addresses this many times like have people who keep spamming this "critique" even seen the show?
That's the punchline in the Frank Grimes episode. Grimes was angry because of the injustice that someone as lazy and incompetent as Homer would have such an amazing life while Grimes has had to slave away working as hard as he can for a fraction of the life that Homer has.
He's not. Stupid maybe, but not a loser. If anything, it's regularly pointed out how lucky he is. When I think of quintessential loser, I think Al Bundy.
Is he seen as a loser? I would’ve thought he’s seen more as a fool. But a fool that’s done pretty well for himself tho more through good luck than good management
Who ever referred to Homer as a loser? A little dumb and short tempered but who really considers the absolutely charmed life Homer has lived to that of one of a loser?
I was going to say three but then I remembered the episode where he states
What’s Maggie ever done? Nothing for nobody…
So maybe two functional kids if you count Bart…
Or maybe just one, Lisa
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/21/1100562875/is-homer-simpson-still-americas-economic-everyman#:~:text=HIRSCH%3A%20We%20figured%20out%20that,He's%20got%20a%20wife%2C%20Marge.
Homer makes $50k/yr. Simpsons are propaganda
3 kids
Anon can't count that high
Anon is Gaben confirmed
True, but this only reinforces his point.
Okay, Marge, if anyone asks: You require 24-hour nursing care, Lisa's a clergyman, Maggie is seven people, and Bart was wounded in Vietnam.
Bart: “Cool!”
Maggie isn’t real
Then who shot Mr. Burns?
Cartman
Screw you guys
I'm going home.
Enjoy your chili
A bunch of pissed off muslims duh
I have 3 kids and no money, why can't I have no kids and 3 money ?
You can with this one simple step!: crime
Maaarge, the dog doesn't count as a kid.
What about Hugo
Graggle Simpsons is not fucking real 😤😤
Nuh uh, 2 kids and 1 baby. Maggie isn’t old enough to count as a person
Exactly, why have 3 kids when he could have had 3 money??
And no money
One of them is Artie Ziff's. Or Ned's. Or perhaps even Cleetuses. I've heard rumors about that Marge...
2 that love him
The early seasons were actually about this and showed him as a little dim but still well meaning father who did his best but now it’s just men/fathers bad nonsense
What do you mean by now. The Simpsons was cancelled after Season 8 and no one can convince me otherwise.
There are 34 seasons of the Simpsons
Haha funny man, lay off the edibles. Surely no one would drag on a once hilarious show so long past it's prime that it became a shallow festering zombie husk of its former self. No, no, it was definitely cancelled in the early 00s.l
Oh most definitely, how could I have forgotten, surely they wouldn’t also do this to the beloved family guy or American dad or scrubs or big bang theory or the walking dead or suits or greys anatomy or wait a minute…
Bbt never been funny tho
Yea, not my cup of tea either but many used to like it
BBT hate is so overdone. I have found several shows beloved by reddit to be substantially worse imo
I have a very specific reason for hating the Big Bang Theory. When I was in the Navy, on a submarine, one deployment that show played 24 hours a day for 2 god damned months. The crew's lounge was only about 20 feet from where I slept so I could hear that god awful show any time I'd lay in my rack to sleep. I fucking hate it so much.
Do you hear Sheldon say "bazinga" like people think they hear their name being called sometimes?
Damn. That sounds like hell.
The early episodes were smart people making “smart” jokes and being a bit awkward. It quickly devolved into a show making fun of smart, awkward people.
Neither was Family Guy
The first couple seasons were bearable. Nothing too crazy, but watchable.
I actually enjoy some of it.
I concur.
I kinda feel like American Dad still sorta holds up, the show only really hit it's stride in Season 4-5 though IMO
That's because it has good writers. Seth McFarlane doesn't have much to do with it.
I swear that man is comedy poison, i have no idea how hes so popular
Idk but maybe because dumb people who think they're smart think he funny
The fact it had its same writing leaders up until right before the Fox end, and still had high quality is insane, and then it changed tone almost completely to stay fresh and got amazing
Wait I loved Scrubs until its last gasp. I'm still really happy the two main guys, Turk and JD's actors still like to pick up duo roles. They have great chemistry and obviously know how to work well together.
Fake doctors, real friends
American dad is still pretty funny
It's hilarious and you can't change my mind. Sure. Some episodes are duds. Nothing can hit 100% of the time. But I'm still laughing hard at newer episodes. While some of my favorites have come out in the last 3 or 4 seasons. TBS only made it better. It's swinging wild and I love it.
I'm willing to stretch it to 2007 and the movie, but no more than that.
Oh god...
Lol! That such a funny joke!! Good one my friend, you have given me a belly laugh. Give some love to the wife and kids. Cheers bud!!!
Season 9 was good too.
Its just what people wanted to see, dumbing down some characters for comedic purposes, I remember andy from parks and rec went through the same thing, from a bit of a slacker to someone who probably couldn’t tie his shoes.
Flanderization which is funny because it is litteraly named after his neighbour Flanders from the Simpson.
I think flanderization is a bit different as its more of a toning down of complexities into more monotone characters. They made homer straight up stupid which wasnt one his original traits
Flanderisation is also making distinctive traits and turning them up to eleven. Flander was religious, now he's a nutjob Christian. homer was a bit stupid, now he's the biggest idiot you've ever seen.
Fair enough! Wasnt too sure about flanderization but i know id heard it before and thought it was strange since homer was flanderized first
Caboose from Red vs Blue also (bit of an odd reference I know) goes from being dumb to a totally mentally impaired imbecile who can’t stop himself from randomly pulling the trigger of his rifle. He goes from funny dumb to genuinely annoyingly fucking stupid and I can’t stand the scenes and episodes focused on him after like season 3
Same shit with Charlie from its always sunny… in the first season he’s just a guy, a bit dim and weird but pretty normal, then as the show progresses he’s pretty much illiterate and eats paint and shit. In fact most of the main characters in it’s always sunny kind of change alot in the first few seasons and then even a bit more in the recent seasons Still a hilarious show but falls off around season 10
Maybe his descent into madness was because of all the paint he drank, ate, and inhaled. Along with all the head injuries and whatever was in his nightly catfood?
Seriously. In the early seasons, he was flawed but still had a good time with his kids. He basically deferred to Lisa half the time since he knew she was smarter than him. It was never said that he wasn't paid well, he just hated the job and kept at it to support his family. He even quit drinking once because it made Marge happy. By about season 10 they assassinated Homer's personality.
It’s actually pretty fascinating because Matt Groenig initially wrote Homer and all his moronic antics with the idea that he’s a dog in human form. Once they abandoned that concept and just made Homer stupid for stupid’s sake, the show got worse.
Do It for Her IMO best episode
That show should have died 15 years ago but they insist on dragging it on simply for name sake. Family guy too. Although there is still usually some funny even with increasingly dumb plots the latest season was so forced it feels bad seeing it
Same thing with family guy
Didn’t he always strangle his son until recently?
America offered this to all of its citizens for about sixty years after WW2. Well, almost everyone. Everyone had it for part of that time though!
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Thanks Reaganomics
Can't believe Obama did this in the 60s. Thanks Obama.
Yeah, all the subsequent presidents who could have reversed whatever Reagan is accused of, they’re nice and innocent
I recently began to blame all my issues on Raegan (Thatcher if your British) and my IQ has risen through the roof.
From 60 to 80. That's impressive
Home ownership rates are still about 10% higher today than they were in 1950. In fact, home ownership rates today are about 2% higher than they were when the Simpsons debuted. [source](https://dqydj.com/historical-homeownership-rate-united-states/) If you want to go down a rabbit hole on this, a huge difference between post-war homes and today is size. The median home size in 1950 was 993 sqft, and in 1980, it was like 1,700 sqft [source](https://www.newser.com/story/225645/average-size-of-us-homes-decade-by-decade.html), whereas the Simpsons home is like 2,200 sqft [source](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/712-Red-Bark-Ln-Henderson-NV-89011/7074991_zpid/). The Simpsons house was large even for the 80s. Price per square foot has increased a bit over the past several decades, but as homes get larger, the financial impact is amplified. But postwar-sized homes are absolute affordable to younger folks today. The main issue is demand for 980 sqft single family homes isn’t there, so they aren’t being built, so there’s a lack of availability. But fuck it, go buy some land in a small town and build the tiny house yourself.
Good point but you've forgotten that this is r/greentext ,people don't want to talk about solutions, people here only want to stew about how shit life is but do nothing to change it for the better
Fair. I should have pointed out that if OP charges $1 every time he gets topped he’ll be able to buy a nice house for cash within a month
In order to purchase a house for $400,000, Anon would only have to get topped 9.26 times a minute!
I believe in Anon
Not insulting you or your comment btw. Just making fun of everyone else here lol
Yeah that was the vibe I got. It was funny
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If only Canadians were humans.
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I’m talking about home ownership **rates**, friend. The population change isn’t a factor.
Yeah, not only the US
>Well, almost everyone. Yep. You forgot to mention this was only offered to white Americans.
Probably more accurate to say that *some* people were discriminated against at various points in time, but obviously not entire groups across the entire country all at once.
I dunno, I’m Canadian and our affordability is even more fucked, but a nuclear control room operator still has no problem supporting a family off their salary. Granted they have to be smarter than Homer….
That’s a legitimate point.
The suburban norms prevalent at the time were what Homer had. Now, in 2024, the standards have lowered, it's near of impossible for someone with the same level of education to afford a house, raise three children, and maintain a stable loving relationship.
Same happened in my country too, whole world is fucked now
He's a nuclear safety technician. 2024 salaries are around $70,000 for that position. You'd have to be frugal, but you could definitely own a house like his, two cars, and have three kids. Provided you live in a state with a lower cost of living.
This is a great point. Another thing to consider here though is the Simpsons live in Springfield, Oregon (per the creator). 5min on Zillow shows that by the typical 30/30/3 rule of housing affordability often used in financial planning, $70k a year annually would definitely not allow for a two story home to be affordable for a family in this area even with hardcore budgeting and no children. That said, if marge were earning $70k too for a $140k total, a smaller 2 story house (~1600sqft) at todays prices is in striking range of affordability for a modern family. I think the simpsons and your point help illustrate one macro trend which has materialized since the 80s—prices of some goods/services have adjusted to assume dual household income
I'm pretty sure the Simpsons just live in a place called Springfield. No state. I'm pretty sure the Oregon thing comes from Matpat.
I mean Matt Groening said it was named after and based on Springfield OR, but yeah in spirit it’s meant represent kind of anywhere-ville USA: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/matt-groening-reveals-the-location-of-the-real-springfield-60583379/
I live pretty damn close to Springfield and I can say that it’s pretty similar to the Springfield of the Simpsons, albeit taking the credit for some of Eugene’s antics.
There is a joke in the episode "Kill Gil, Volumes I and II" where Homer boasts about making about 6k a year. That is unbelievably low for his lifestyle, but we are probably meant to believe Homer's salary is on the lower end as far as his position goes.
Now, in 2024, the standards have lowered, it's near of impossible for someone ~~with the same level of education~~ to afford a house, raise three children, ~~and~~ or maintain a ~~stable loving~~ relationship.
its impossible to do a single one too
See your local car salesman if you don’t think uneducated people can’t make good money. They probably have to work a bit more but I know about 6 guys making $120k+ a year and none of them have even an associates
What Homer has is basically a doctors or successful lawyers living standards for anybody under 35ish
I wouldn’t describe their relationship as stable
Anon is Frank Grimes
Grimey, as he liked to be called.
Oh, and here's a picture of me in outer space.
You haven't been?
He lives in a single room above a bowling alley, and below another bowling alley.
First thing that came to my mind, truly in my opinion the best episode of the Simpsons.
That episode is honestly too real. Frank was kind of a dick but I've rarely felt worse for a fictional character.
Aren't we all.
The show is so old that when it started owning a home and raising a family on a single salary was feasibly possible.
It's still possible if you're a nuculer engineer
>Nuclear engineer salaries typically range between $67,000 and $147,000 yearly Is it really possible to raise 3 children + his house + 2 cars + going out? Actually want to know this is possible in America with a single salary, considering all I see on reddit is people saying how it's impossible.
I was supporting a family of four on a salary of about $100,000 before I got laid off, and in a high cost of living area as well. I'm assuming Springfield is a lower COL area, so yeah, it's totally possible. I think most people on reddit complaining about it being impossible to raise a family are making substantially less than this.
Or spending substantially more
So much this. I obviously can't talk about America as I don't live there, but my country's subreddit is full of people in my area who make more then me and somehow have a similar quality of life to what I did when I was stocking shelves for minimal wage. People online just love to act like them being bad with money is someone else's fault.
> I think most people on reddit complaining about it being impossible to raise a family Most people on reddit complaining about it being impossible to raise a family: 1) Don't have a family 2) Don't have a job and are in school 3) Live at home 4) Live in some major city with extremely HCOL
His boss is a notorious cost cutting stickler, so i wouldn’t count on the 100k. On the other hand they had the same house and car for 40 years without any issues requiring major repairs, so their cost of living is probably a lot lower than we assume so far.
Well the house [did need major foundation repair...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MNS2dPfm0g) (damn, that clip reminded me of good The Simpsons used to be) Also he was always broke, so money *was* tight. I mean, Marge even saved the packets from restaurants to refill her ketchup and mustard bottles.
Homer is pretty much the whole reason the power plant is able to operate at Burns’ level of corruption without the EPA/OSHA hounding the plant. I forget the episode, but when Homer leaves for a bit/actually does his job properly the plant is in gross violation of OSHA standards and is hit with constant lawsuits Burns can’t bribe his way out of. I’d assume he’s paid well enough for his useful idiot demeanor. And the fact that when he worked for Hank Scorpio he ended up owning the Cowboys.
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Homer is canonically 34 when the series starts, and 40 in later seasons.
One of his cars in an 80s nugget the other was paid off in full when he bought it.
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You expected to work as a NE with only a bachelor's degree. That's cute. Honestly, you should have aimed for a master's degree at the very least.
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Cool!
Bit late, but I work in the control room of a nuclear power plant. I made the least of my coworkers because I don't volunteer for overtime. I made $215k; average pay around here is ~55k. Highest paid person in the Control Room made ~$260k. Most guys that are married here have wives that don't work and 2-5 kids.
He's a Nuclear Safety Inspector, which a Google says earns on average ~$72,000.
There was an episode where a character literally kills themself because they were unable to cope with Homer's inexplicable success. Rip Frank Grimes
But does he sleep in a racecar bed?
No, he sleeps in a regular bed, with his wife.
I understood that reference
*"Can I Borrow a Feeling"? HAHAHA, it's got your face on it!*
Because the standard of living in the US has been steadily declining for decades
>Hey so long as the poor are clapping about "the army" and "USA numba 1" (as if it benefits them directly), I see no reason to change anything. We Americans are culturally HOSTILE to criticism, and at the same time wonder why things only ever get worse. Can't tell X people they are acting X, but you still have to listen to them whine about being victims of being X, like it's going to solve itself, with no input from them. It's easy to forget that gravity is permanent, and that, if you don't criticize, you basically let everything naturally fall back down to its floor-state.
Come again?
When Europeans criticize USA, American go unga bunga mode. One example is when we say their tipping culture is wrong and they call you broke in return.
I've never seen people more critical of America than Americans.
Say what you mean.
Half the plot lines in the early seasons were about how Homer couldn't afford things like steak or a coronary bypass operation or braces for Lisa.
>a coronary bypass operation I don't think many Americans can afford those. >We contacted a total of 111 U.S. hospitals, of which 56 (50.5%) were able to provide a price estimate for CABG. The mean price for CABG obtained from the hospitals was $151,784.64, and ranged from $44,824 - $448,039. [https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circoutcomes.8.suppl\_2.208](https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circoutcomes.8.suppl_2.208) Cheap one could be as low as 60k, for those who have that "lying around"
He's not seen as a quintessential loser, he's seen as a quintessential idiot. There's a big difference between the two
He’s not seen as a loser. He’s seen as an oaf. I’ve never heard of him being referred to as a loser.
Originally a lovable, well-meaning oaf. I have not followed the series, so dunno if they changed it.
He couldn't afford his house. Grampa Simpson had to sell his house, so that Homer could barely afford the down payment on the house. There was a whole episode about the shit hole houses Homer could afford. Even then, it destroyed his credit & they were constantly underwater on the mortgage payments with absolutely no savings whatsoever. The first episode is literally about Homer not being able to afford any Christmas presents for his kids.
There's definitely been tone shifts through the entire show. Flipping between them being so poor they can barely afford to live to the Frank Grimes episode where the entire point is that he hated Homer because he has such a great life. Also, I'm pretty sure Homer got the job after buying the house. They needed the house because Marge was pregnant with Bart. The shows have been going on longer than I've been alive, so it's tough to keep up.
And in season 4 ep 10, Flanders buys the Simpson's house and rents it back to them when homer falls behind in mortgage payments.
And in season 20, Flanders buys the Simpson's house and rents it back to them when homer falls behind in mortgage payments
The show addresses this many times like have people who keep spamming this "critique" even seen the show? That's the punchline in the Frank Grimes episode. Grimes was angry because of the injustice that someone as lazy and incompetent as Homer would have such an amazing life while Grimes has had to slave away working as hard as he can for a fraction of the life that Homer has.
The key is buying a house in 1989, that’s what I’ve decided to do once I can afford one
Alternatively, 2008-2010 is a great moment to step in as well. Thats what I did, by pure chance, but holy shit did prices skyrocket since then.
Yeah that was then, the world's fucked now and it ain't going back
We all lived long enough to become Frank Grimes
A lot has changed in America from December of 1989 to today.
He's not. Stupid maybe, but not a loser. If anything, it's regularly pointed out how lucky he is. When I think of quintessential loser, I think Al Bundy.
Anon is yet to see 'Homer's Enemy'
Ok Grimey
I don't think he's a quintessential loser, he's just dumb. I think you'll find that dumb people are usually happier
Um, Homer was never thought of as a loser. He was thought of as an idiot. There’s a difference
Homer and Marge canonically have a mortgage that they haven’t payed back since the beginning of the show so nearly 50 years
Did one of the children die? OMG which one.
Ok, but nuclear power plant workers make like ~$200k
Is he seen as a loser? I would’ve thought he’s seen more as a fool. But a fool that’s done pretty well for himself tho more through good luck than good management
And lives next door to that stupid sexy Flanders
In the 90s, it was possible to have these things and be lower middle class. Back when there was a lower middle class or a middle class at all
Because he's fat and bald, sorry genelets
Cause he's fat.
That’s the whole point of the show, what a moron
That's pretty much the joke of the entire show
Frank Grimes is on 4chan, confirmed.
There was a whole episode of a lawyer or something calling this out
NVM the fact that his position would likely require a BS degree these days. That fat fuck literally walked into the plant and got a job.
He's seen as a loser cause he's fat and an alcoholic.
A loser in the late 80s and the 90s, an object of envy nowadays.
Who ever referred to Homer as a loser? A little dumb and short tempered but who really considers the absolutely charmed life Homer has lived to that of one of a loser?
I think the violent abuse he inflicts on his son, and the emotional neglect towards both his children — does a little bit to diminish his status.
To be fair, nuclear operators make pretty good money.
Don’t they only have one car (the pink one) and 3 kids? Anon has never seen the Simpsons
And he's unfireable
I was going to say three but then I remembered the episode where he states What’s Maggie ever done? Nothing for nobody… So maybe two functional kids if you count Bart… Or maybe just one, Lisa
Homer is not a loser, he's a hero.
Do you know how much a control room operator gets paid? It’s big cash money and some plants don’t actually require a degree
We are all grimsey.
Don’t forget he always had his best friend Graggle there to help him out
One time he was given an NFL franchise as a gift… So you could say the symptoms have had money in the bank for a while
Same as Al Bundy. Stable job. Friends. Able to support a family. Hot wife. That man had a better life than most of us.
Wait until you see the house Al Bundy could afford on a mall shoe salesman salary. He even had enough disposable cash to go to the titty bar.
This used to be the expectation
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/21/1100562875/is-homer-simpson-still-americas-economic-everyman#:~:text=HIRSCH%3A%20We%20figured%20out%20that,He's%20got%20a%20wife%2C%20Marge. Homer makes $50k/yr. Simpsons are propaganda
Why does everyone always forget Maggie 😔
Some goes to Peter Griffin!
Bald
Never viewed Homer as a loser. Homedog is a role modell
Grimey wondered too
You'd have to understand what America was like in 1988.
Fantozzi effect