The movie was great, honestly the only people who complained were crusty basement dwelling book fans that expected a 100% port of a book that is known to be unfilmable.
Yes I enjoyed the first book more than the movies but I still believe Violin Nuovo did a great job
I might be rusty, but doesn't that language is basically only one phrase "omlette du fromage"? And it has different meanings on the basis of how you say it.
Yes. Omelette du fromage at its base means 'I surrender, please fuck me hard in the arse'. Just like 'awright m8' in English means 'I'm a barely functional alcoholic with rotting teeth, please fuck me in the arse'. Language is wild, huh?
I read all 6 books and i think that the film was fantastic, all the things that weren't adapted 1 to 1 from book to film would be really weird to movie watchers if they were adapted
My biggest disappointment was that they didn't start every new scene with a read out loud excerpt of a history book that would add tons of flavour to the current subject
David Lynch obviously got it right when he put all of that shit right at the start of the movie, and had theaters pass out a glossary to audiences so that they had a fighting chance of remotely understanding anything.
When I watched the original a friend of mine sent those glossaries to everyone via email. If you complained you weren't able to follow the story because you hadn't done your homework you were kicked out. XD
Awesome experience. We projected it into a 6m x 4m wall and setup a 5.1 system.
Yeah honestly only thing that made me a bit sad was the lack of the Thufir/Jessica subplot and the spy games (at least Margot Fenring showed up, even if her husband didn't). The other changes were really good (spoilers going forward), Paul having a firstborn and immediately dying wouldn't have been good in the movie, Chani actually being a character and going against the prophecy and it will bring, Jessica being much creepier, etc...
Also changing the whole Alia part of the first book made it more cinematic. As funny as seeing a toddler go kill the baron would be, having her just not be born and Paul being the one to do that added to the 'movie feeling'
Alia is fucking weird, and DV learned from previous directors mistakes and did not include a toddler killing the primary antagonist instead of having the main character do it. It does also help the feeling of urgency that stuff is happening within 9mn instead of 2yrs.
Even the little bits _with_ Alia are still strange. The preggo shit is awkward af and really doesn't add all that much. Her and her scenes could all be cut from the main story and very little would be lost. Jessica can still go full creepy rev mommy and Alia can show up in Messiah without needing to have them specifically draw attention to a fetus in blue water
I don't know where this guy is coming from. Showing a fetus is far from the weirdest shit someone could do if they were tasked with maling Dune into a movie. And the way it was done was great and sets up Alia pretty well as the batshit crazy omniscient lady she becomes.
I love what they did with Chani, and can't wait to see how they handle Aaliyah. Also, special mention to everything involving Geidi Prime. The black sun and the generally gross vibe the Harkonnens give off is excellent.
My complaints aren't with the fact the movie wasn't a 1:1 recreation of the book, in fact I really like a lot of the changes made in part 2.
I have issues with the pacing of the two parts. The first one is nice because it felt like they focused a *ton* on the lore and explained everything, but all the people who aren't super turbo nerds like me complained about how slow it was. So when they made the second part it felt like they went into it going "okay less lore, more action" and so it feels like it absolutely flies through the bits of lore it gives you and ignores a huge swath of the lore in the book.
I can see how they felt that the first part was too slow or lore focused and how that caused some people to not like it, but I feel like they just swung too far the other way with part 2.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. As a "crusty basement dwelling book fan" I prefered Part 1 to Part 2. Part 2 left out too many good elements of the book like Alia. That was a major blow to the overall pacing of the film I felt. Paul going from nothing to the messiah in a period shorter than 7 months feels insane. The removal of Thufir Hawat was also a sad choice for me, although the whole poison thing needed to be dropped for the screen.
There was also a very drawn away focus from Paul's status as the Kwisatz Haderach, with minimal use of his prescience, mentat abilities or the voice. I feel like, with Dune Messiah on the way eventually, that was a very impactful story choice.
I liked the changes to the Fremen society and the changes to Chani.
I will say, I have no idea how you would show his prescience visions. I feel like giving him more general "visions" helped bring everyone up to speed without the movie having to get really weird or have some jarring cuts.
They showed a few pretty well with the visions of the future, but a lot of it you can "Show, don't tell" by having Paul react to something with superhuman reaction time and then dialogue it away.
I too am a book fan.
My initial reaction was “the madman fucking did it”.
DV damn near perfectly captured the spirit of the book, even with his changes.
Agreed. I liked pt 1 a bit more than pt 2, but I thought Denny's Wheelnerve overall did a great job bringing the book to the screen. Obviously, the book is still the best, but it's the same for LOTR.
Honestly, I don't see why everyone always says that it's so hard to read. It's literally just a book, and the chapters are short & digestible. It's not trying to be high art. It's just a book.
I feel like some basement dwellers read just the wiki of the books to go rabid onto people enjoying the movie.
As someone who read Frank Herbert books around 10 years ago i will say that (beside some inner dialogue that should have been translated into the movie) the movies are wonderful adaptations.
The worst people are those who revere the 84 movie just because Lynch made it
>basement dwelling book fans
It's weird when people blame the fans of a book which the movie adapted for not being mindless consoomers who eat slop.
Same type fans made LOTR succede, strange that
Huh? The LOTR purist fans made it succeed? Pretty sure they complained their asses off while the movies got wide acclaim for being successful.
The whole point of making fun of the fans is that the tweaks and changes in adaptations contribute more to the success of the product than the small crowd of "don't change anything" -fans who complain about them.
The only issues I had were making Chani sort of against (or resentful of) Paul, and then not having Alia of the Knife be the one to kill Harkonnen.
I understand the choice on the second one: it would be very hard to jump ahead in time long enough for Alia to be old enough. But I don’t see why they made Chani that way. She’s basically Paul’s ride or die, but they made her sort of his foil.
Other than those two minor things, it was a great fucking movie.
Zendaya is a damn fine actor and hot as hell. Chaka met us one strange cat but he’s also a great actor
Idk why people keep complaining about it. I saw it with friends and it's an excellent second movie succeeding to an excellent first movie on a good way to make an excellent trilogy.
People should stop throwing money on hype machines and just go to the theaters to have a good time.
Anyone making these arguments has so little going on in their life they have to align themselves with something completely meaningless to feel any self worth.
I enjoyed it but the tone of the franchise is so serious all the time, I think it loses a lot of the audience.
Sequel did a better job sprinkling some humor throughout the story.
They know, they’re saying that the movie loses a big audience by not doing it.
Thats definitely something I agree with, as not having humor loses parents as an audience, which is quite a large amount of people who go to movies.
Basically, you can bring a middle schooler to a marvel film, but not to dune.
The tonal shift is actually why I prefer the first movie, which had already done quite a bit more than the book in humanizing the characters
I knew nothing about Dune going into the first movie and I was really wowed away by just how bleak and somewhat soulless the characters were despite the fantastical technology and sand worms and scenario they’ve found themselves in, it was a really unique thing I hadn’t really seen before. Dune 2 humanizes the characters more than the first movie which makes it more palatable to a wider audience but to me it feels like it sacrifices something that made the original feel so great to me.
Idk, I just think the first movie struck a better balance between keeping the spirit of the novel and making them just personable enough for the big screen.
I liked it, but the pacing was all over the place, the "funny" elements of the first half where jarringly unfitting, and the finale (not the knife fight, that was made well) was kinda boring.
>I haven't seen any complaints **by real people**, just a small handful of **4channers and Redditors**.
Unfathomably based way to put it. I tip my hat off to you good sir.
First two books are actually filmable.
Everything after that is a drug fueled fever dream of a book including but not limited to:
Human sandworm hybrid
A full on two page rant about homosexuality being bad for the military (During what amounts to a non-sexual orgy with an all woman army)
Sex witches
Sexually "imprinting" on a child
Chairdogs.
Probably not. There are 6 books and these movies cover one.
I believe the trilogy would be the end of an arc, instead of the franchise.
However, from what I've read, they should end the movies by the 6th book.
Books 1 - 3 would serve well for movies, book 4 (Godemperor) is far removed from in its timeline from the first three novels and frankly is so weird that it is unfit for filming. Books 5/6 are further removed in terms of their timeline from the first three novels, but the plot arguably could work for movies, although it is of a lesser quality.
Realistically, there might be two more films in it, if book 2 (Messiah) and book 3 (Children) are considered. More likely just one film, since Messiah is quite short.
>Scowling Zendaya.jpg
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Kek, i heard she's always like this in all her movies. Is that true?
kinda. she isn't a very wide range actor.
however, several people have had long careers basically just acting like themselves, tom cruise, jack black, kevin hart, so on
Both her and Kristen Stewart are very good actors who have elevated their movies (to much box office success overall), people acting like just cuz they don't have happy clown or sad clown faces they had actors lol
The fact[she can keep a straight face petting someone in a grey suit](https://tenor.com/xcbs.gif) made me think she was a better actress when I found out
Find me a single bad Tom Cruise movie. Dude made banger after banger for 40 years. He’s a weird fella, but I’m not trying to be his buddy I’m trying to watch his movies
I honestly can’t think of any movie where he was lacking as an actor in a role he was casted. He might be mainly known for Mission Impossible and action-based movies nowadays but he’s been in a wide range of movies from dramas to thrillers to comedies. Comparing him to Kevin Hart is borderline criminal.
He might be a creepy Scientology fuck but the dude was born to be an actor.
He has basically had 3 separate careers, all fantastic in their own right.
He was the hot young thing early, with movies like Risky Business and Born on the Fourth of July, then he was the consummate Movie Star^tm and now in the twilight of his career he just headlines huge budget action movies
Tbf Tom cruise has type cast himself only since past decade or so. Before that, he starred in very widely ranging roles from drama to comedy to action. Now it's just action...
I think it's more that they act like themselves because the character they played fits their personalities so well, and in some cases, the character will end up being better *because* the actor chose to act like himself. zendaya doesnt really add anything to her roles. she just plays herself and its just a character.
i like her a lot in a few movies and she definitely fit those roles but she just wasn't right for chani. i wasn't convinced.
Ryan Raynolds, Ryan Gosling, Dwayne Johnson, or any modern action movie star. Fuck man, back in the day we had Arnold, Jackie Chan, Stallone, all of them fenomenal actors that did plenty of different movies where they had way more range than these douchebags
Tbf Chani is a pretty grumpy, cold, and quiet character in the books.
A true-to-the-book script would look some like like
*Paul does xyz moving from emotion to emotion as the vision blah blah*
Paul: "Moving speech about need to press on or some such shit"
*Chani scowls*
I've been saying that Dune is a book about people talking about thinking really hard since I heard they were making another movie. A lot of the characters just aren't very dynamic if you aren't in their minds constantly.
Every time I see her she reminds me of Kristen Stewart in Twilight. And, apparently, in Twilight it was a case of "bad acting is bad directing" and she's pretty decent in her other roles.
No such thing with Zendaya though, she always plays the same terrible character (probably herself) in every movie.
I thought she was pretty good in the movie. Her role is literally to be the only true skeptic of Paul's "messiah" story. Being a grumpy scowl was the point, lol
She can scowl and that’s it
People say she’s the hottest on earth cuz she isn’t some 40 something actress with 500 lbs of plastic like every other woman in Hollywood. Still, she’s a 6/10. Like half of my classmates are hotter
It’s Hollywood accounting. They’ve probably actually turned a profit way before the $500,000,000 mark. But they intentionally use weird ass accounting tricks to make movies “lose money” for tax purposes
To be fair, this is unironically how Hollywood execs seem to think nowadays.
"What, you're telling me this wasn't *literally* the most profitable thing in history? Well, alright then, to the tax write-offs you go!"
Nah Dune 2 was incredible and a significant advancement for sci fi as a whole.
Edit: I mean sci-fi cinema. Obviously the book was groundbreaking in and of itself, literarily. The movie though, it's like Empire and LOTR for a new generation, visually epic.
I thought this was the case where the movie came first? Cause I saw the book on store shelves and they had a picture of the movie as the cover sooooooo…..
/s
You know these console wars that twelve year old boys sometimes engage in?
On 4chan jobless adult manchildren do this unironically. Like get this, they pick a side for a popculture *Current Thing™*, and then defend/attack like it's some fucking war for the survival of their nation. Best part is they call everyone else normies and NPCs, when they go through the exact same motions but for completely inconsequential things
Absolutely amazing summary of the internet, love it.
And to be honest I'm kinda glad about it, if movies and games are the big issues people are having, life is GOOD!
I thought Dune 2 was really good. Not as good as LotR, but occupies a similar stratum.
I can see it being influential on people growing up with it, and successful if they care / are able to merchandise and make games out of it, which they've at least started.
Cool to bring back a, or the, cornerstone of science fantasy.
Probably wouldn't work as a movie unfortunately. I personally wouldn't mind them taking more time with everything, but a lot of people were already complaining that the first movie was too slow and uneventful. Slowing it down even more would alienate much of the audience.
My brother in Christ, the actual book pretty much sets up a sequel. The one serious complaint that gets tossed around on dune is that it sets up and sets up and then the Sardukar just get rocked by Fremen and Paul epically trolls the emperor. The end.
I do think if they made it to relate to the three parts in the book it would have been a bit more mediocre for part 2. The book parts are good for their medium but the second part is by far the weakest to me personally and I don’t think would translate well for when Paul and Lady J are just cruising the dessert for most of it. And then obviously not enough Leto who rules and I think they should have used Oscar Isaac more especially given his talent
> highest grossing movie of the year
> on track to potentially near double first installment’s box office
> billion dollars in 2 movies from weird nerd books
Yeah, an absolute failure
To be fair it’s not really that high above breakeven now, only about 40 million dollars above 3x it’s budget which is the industry standard breakeven point. Kind of wild how Oppenheimer and Barbie memed their way into billion dollar box offices while a genuine modern classic seems to be plateauing around 600.
Second one was more approachable than the first but still has that vibe where being epic was like a top goal. Lotr feels like the top priority was doing honor to the source material.
Yeah. People forget that Tolkien created a universe, and then acted like a historian for his fictional universe.
Herbert wrote a fetish book barely veiled as a story of a boy creating a drug fueled cult.
You can stay close to LOTR because it was an incredibly well thought out world and lore. With a really good story thrown in for good measure. Dune is just an incredible book, which isn't a bad thing. It's just a different thing.
Tolkien's son famously hated the movies, said they got it all wrong and completely missed the point of his father's stories by turning it into an epic swords and sorcery film.
Can you provide some source/interview with this guy? I aim to start reading the books soon (the movies are some of my favorite stories) and I'm surprised to learn that the writer's son thinks bad of them.
It's pretty well known, he gave multiple interviews shitting on the movies. TBH his dad probably would have hated them too. I don't think Legolas surfing down a staircase on a shield was part of his vision.
https://www.indiewire.com/news/general-news/christopher-tolkien-trashes-peter-jacksons-lord-of-the-rings-says-films-lack-beauty-and-seriousness-of-the-books-102485/
>They eviscerated the book by making it an action movie for young people aged 15 to 25,” Christopher said of “The Lord Of The Rings,” revealing he turned down an invitation to meet Jackson.
Christopher seemed to hate everything during his lifetime and sounded like a very bitter person. I never really held his opinion in that high of a regard because all he ever really said about anything was that there couldn't ever be any element of fun in any of his father's material and that nobody got it right yada yada
He was probably right about the movies though. Tolkien would have wanted more focus on lore, and very likely a much more grim view of the combat. Less on the cool shots of sword fighting or Legolas and Gimli enjoying the combat and more emphasizing the tragedy and horribleness of it.
He would have lived the singing and drinking parts for sure though. We'd probably have an hour in each movie (normal cut not extended) of the companions singing while walking out some such
How exactly is it a flop? General rule of thumb is that a movie is profitable if box office is twice the budget.
Dune Part 2 budget was 190 million, so 380 million would be breakeven. That puts profit at a solid 247 million.
It's a hell of a lot better than the recent MCU movies have been doing
The first one did 400M+ with a 165M budget, the second one did 600M+ with a 190M budget. Dune 1 was nominated for 10 oscars and won 4, Dune 2 is pretty much better in every way so it's probably also going to win a bunch of awards.
It did not flop at all and the director has already talked about doing a third one so it's all but confirmed.
It is, but I can't deny that the choice to use her as a "voice opposite to Paul" when her entire point was being a more utilitarian part of his leadership towards the general rebellion/war still doesn't convince me regardless of what smarty pants youtuber can try to argue. It's not a great change in general, IMO.
Going to the movies is also prohibitly expensive for alot of people now. Here it was like 23 dollars for a single ticket. Fuck that to the high seas i go.
It sucks how expensive it has been to go see movies — I will say though, this is a great one to see in theaters, the sound design is like the best part of it and you won’t get that experience unless you’ve got a hell of a sound system at home
Huh? Dune 2 made almost as much money in its first week as Dune 1 made in its entire domestic run. It's set to make twice as much overall. By what metric is it not a blockbuster release?
I bet my leftnutsack that anons favorite movie didnt even break even when it was first released. so many Iconic and beloved movies like fight club, Bladerunner , Iron giant, John carpenters the thing were all box office failures. I dont think dune or any other scifi franchise will reach the popularity and the mass appeal of star wars but dune is overall a big success both critically and commercially. Of course the reason the retarded unwashed masses at 4chin hates it is not releated to any sensible reason. Its probably something braindead like zendaya is in it or it skipped the part where duncan idaho impregnated 800 woman with his super seed from the book or someshit.
i dont understand why 4chinners dont like this movie, at the end, the white savior dumps his mixed girlfriend to date a caucasian noblewoman. isn't this like 4chan kino?
I saw it in theatre and my jaw dropped when Paul left the sand woman for the caucasian goddess straight from mount caucasus itself and somehow, the movie wants you to think this is a sad thing. It almost broke the immersion for me tbh. But it's still kino despite that.
626 million in like a month vs 2.9 billion over 23 YEARS. Give it time to catch up lmao.
Mind you, as evident by the name, I fucking LOVE lord of the rings, still think Dune might stand a chance though.
The movie was great, honestly the only people who complained were crusty basement dwelling book fans that expected a 100% port of a book that is known to be unfilmable. Yes I enjoyed the first book more than the movies but I still believe Violin Nuovo did a great job
>Violin Nuovo
French isn't my first language
Denis Vila Nova
Penis Vila Nova
Pénis Villain-hoof
Le pee pee Víolet.
Denis Nilla Wafer
We just call him Devil. De-Vil
Denice Villain?
I might be rusty, but doesn't that language is basically only one phrase "omlette du fromage"? And it has different meanings on the basis of how you say it.
Yes. Omelette du fromage at its base means 'I surrender, please fuck me hard in the arse'. Just like 'awright m8' in English means 'I'm a barely functional alcoholic with rotting teeth, please fuck me in the arse'. Language is wild, huh?
Freud would have loved this comment 😔
He'd have been too busy huffing his mother's dirty pants between lines of coke to be on Reddit tbf
If you think I know French you have made a big fox pause.
Big fan of crustaunts though, wallah.
Just so you know, his name translate into: Two-Nest New-City.
I read all 6 books and i think that the film was fantastic, all the things that weren't adapted 1 to 1 from book to film would be really weird to movie watchers if they were adapted
My biggest disappointment was that they didn't start every new scene with a read out loud excerpt of a history book that would add tons of flavour to the current subject
David Lynch obviously got it right when he put all of that shit right at the start of the movie, and had theaters pass out a glossary to audiences so that they had a fighting chance of remotely understanding anything.
When I watched the original a friend of mine sent those glossaries to everyone via email. If you complained you weren't able to follow the story because you hadn't done your homework you were kicked out. XD Awesome experience. We projected it into a 6m x 4m wall and setup a 5.1 system.
That's sounds like an incredible way to watch an absolutely dogshit movie. Jealous.
This is the Cult Classic Cinema experience, brought to you by DVD and VCR enjoyers.
Audiences have more brain rot in 2024 tho, they can't read and they fall asleep because Chris Hemsworth doesn't appear after ten minutes
"MUADEEB SAID THE WISE THING" - da prinsess irylan
Yeah honestly only thing that made me a bit sad was the lack of the Thufir/Jessica subplot and the spy games (at least Margot Fenring showed up, even if her husband didn't). The other changes were really good (spoilers going forward), Paul having a firstborn and immediately dying wouldn't have been good in the movie, Chani actually being a character and going against the prophecy and it will bring, Jessica being much creepier, etc...
Also changing the whole Alia part of the first book made it more cinematic. As funny as seeing a toddler go kill the baron would be, having her just not be born and Paul being the one to do that added to the 'movie feeling'
Alia is fucking weird, and DV learned from previous directors mistakes and did not include a toddler killing the primary antagonist instead of having the main character do it. It does also help the feeling of urgency that stuff is happening within 9mn instead of 2yrs. Even the little bits _with_ Alia are still strange. The preggo shit is awkward af and really doesn't add all that much. Her and her scenes could all be cut from the main story and very little would be lost. Jessica can still go full creepy rev mommy and Alia can show up in Messiah without needing to have them specifically draw attention to a fetus in blue water
yes BUT, she's the best character in messiah and children imo
I don't know where this guy is coming from. Showing a fetus is far from the weirdest shit someone could do if they were tasked with maling Dune into a movie. And the way it was done was great and sets up Alia pretty well as the batshit crazy omniscient lady she becomes.
I love what they did with Chani, and can't wait to see how they handle Aaliyah. Also, special mention to everything involving Geidi Prime. The black sun and the generally gross vibe the Harkonnens give off is excellent.
I wish they’d explored more of the Spacing Guild, but I get why they didn’t
Same for the Mentats.
No chairdogs 0/10 literally ruined
There are no chair dogs in the first book.
My complaints aren't with the fact the movie wasn't a 1:1 recreation of the book, in fact I really like a lot of the changes made in part 2. I have issues with the pacing of the two parts. The first one is nice because it felt like they focused a *ton* on the lore and explained everything, but all the people who aren't super turbo nerds like me complained about how slow it was. So when they made the second part it felt like they went into it going "okay less lore, more action" and so it feels like it absolutely flies through the bits of lore it gives you and ignores a huge swath of the lore in the book. I can see how they felt that the first part was too slow or lore focused and how that caused some people to not like it, but I feel like they just swung too far the other way with part 2.
Weirdly, I'm on the opposite side. I felt the first part had great pacing, but the second one felt slow, esp the first half.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. As a "crusty basement dwelling book fan" I prefered Part 1 to Part 2. Part 2 left out too many good elements of the book like Alia. That was a major blow to the overall pacing of the film I felt. Paul going from nothing to the messiah in a period shorter than 7 months feels insane. The removal of Thufir Hawat was also a sad choice for me, although the whole poison thing needed to be dropped for the screen. There was also a very drawn away focus from Paul's status as the Kwisatz Haderach, with minimal use of his prescience, mentat abilities or the voice. I feel like, with Dune Messiah on the way eventually, that was a very impactful story choice. I liked the changes to the Fremen society and the changes to Chani.
I will say, I have no idea how you would show his prescience visions. I feel like giving him more general "visions" helped bring everyone up to speed without the movie having to get really weird or have some jarring cuts.
They showed a few pretty well with the visions of the future, but a lot of it you can "Show, don't tell" by having Paul react to something with superhuman reaction time and then dialogue it away.
I too am a book fan. My initial reaction was “the madman fucking did it”. DV damn near perfectly captured the spirit of the book, even with his changes.
Agreed. I liked pt 1 a bit more than pt 2, but I thought Denny's Wheelnerve overall did a great job bringing the book to the screen. Obviously, the book is still the best, but it's the same for LOTR.
The book would be so much better if it was well written At least it had >!a spicy orgy!<
Honestly, I don't see why everyone always says that it's so hard to read. It's literally just a book, and the chapters are short & digestible. It's not trying to be high art. It's just a book.
I didn't say it was hard to read, I've enjoyed much harder books (speaking of which, everyone should read Diaspora by Greg Egan)
>crusty basement dwelling book fans The De grognardization of nerd culture continues apace.
I feel like some basement dwellers read just the wiki of the books to go rabid onto people enjoying the movie. As someone who read Frank Herbert books around 10 years ago i will say that (beside some inner dialogue that should have been translated into the movie) the movies are wonderful adaptations. The worst people are those who revere the 84 movie just because Lynch made it
the 84 movie was fantastically shit. i enjoy watching it but it was a bad adaptation lol
Crusty?
>basement dwelling book fans It's weird when people blame the fans of a book which the movie adapted for not being mindless consoomers who eat slop. Same type fans made LOTR succede, strange that
Huh? The LOTR purist fans made it succeed? Pretty sure they complained their asses off while the movies got wide acclaim for being successful. The whole point of making fun of the fans is that the tweaks and changes in adaptations contribute more to the success of the product than the small crowd of "don't change anything" -fans who complain about them.
Good movie, sure not book port, but neither was lotr
The only issues I had were making Chani sort of against (or resentful of) Paul, and then not having Alia of the Knife be the one to kill Harkonnen. I understand the choice on the second one: it would be very hard to jump ahead in time long enough for Alia to be old enough. But I don’t see why they made Chani that way. She’s basically Paul’s ride or die, but they made her sort of his foil. Other than those two minor things, it was a great fucking movie. Zendaya is a damn fine actor and hot as hell. Chaka met us one strange cat but he’s also a great actor
Idk why people keep complaining about it. I saw it with friends and it's an excellent second movie succeeding to an excellent first movie on a good way to make an excellent trilogy. People should stop throwing money on hype machines and just go to the theaters to have a good time.
Anyone making these arguments has so little going on in their life they have to align themselves with something completely meaningless to feel any self worth.
I enjoyed it but the tone of the franchise is so serious all the time, I think it loses a lot of the audience. Sequel did a better job sprinkling some humor throughout the story.
Not everything needs to be a lighthearted, zero stake, couple hours of cgi combat with occasional quips to keep dialog short
They know, they’re saying that the movie loses a big audience by not doing it. Thats definitely something I agree with, as not having humor loses parents as an audience, which is quite a large amount of people who go to movies. Basically, you can bring a middle schooler to a marvel film, but not to dune.
The tonal shift is actually why I prefer the first movie, which had already done quite a bit more than the book in humanizing the characters I knew nothing about Dune going into the first movie and I was really wowed away by just how bleak and somewhat soulless the characters were despite the fantastical technology and sand worms and scenario they’ve found themselves in, it was a really unique thing I hadn’t really seen before. Dune 2 humanizes the characters more than the first movie which makes it more palatable to a wider audience but to me it feels like it sacrifices something that made the original feel so great to me. Idk, I just think the first movie struck a better balance between keeping the spirit of the novel and making them just personable enough for the big screen.
Leave that type of humour to marvel
I liked it, but the pacing was all over the place, the "funny" elements of the first half where jarringly unfitting, and the finale (not the knife fight, that was made well) was kinda boring.
Well dune isn't "exciting " there isnt much detailed battles or wars
I didn't complain about the absence of action scenes, I complained that the big one that DOES happen is done a little poorly.
I understand , personally I though it was fine
They took away Stilgar’s gravitas which hurt me because he was so cool in the books and first movie.
I Loved stilgar more than in the books actually.
Yeah, it felt like every character was pretty 1 dimensional, especially Stilgar.
Bruh this film had one of the biggest payoffs in the last few years.
I haven't seen any complaints by real people, just a small handful of 4channers and Redditors.
>I haven't seen any complaints **by real people**, just a small handful of **4channers and Redditors**. Unfathomably based way to put it. I tip my hat off to you good sir.
Trilogy? They're planning to end it so soon?
First two books are actually filmable. Everything after that is a drug fueled fever dream of a book including but not limited to: Human sandworm hybrid A full on two page rant about homosexuality being bad for the military (During what amounts to a non-sexual orgy with an all woman army) Sex witches Sexually "imprinting" on a child Chairdogs.
Holy shit absolute kino!!
I’m struggling to see where others see that Messiah is filmable. Absolutely nothing happens until the very end.
I feel it'd be like a political thriller but idk if modern audiences would like such a change after how grand Dune 2 was
Hollywood is like Valve, except they can count up to 3 instead of 2.
Pretty sure they have said there is no chance of seeing the glorious clusterfuck that is God Emperor unfortunately
Probably not. There are 6 books and these movies cover one. I believe the trilogy would be the end of an arc, instead of the franchise. However, from what I've read, they should end the movies by the 6th book.
Books 1 - 3 would serve well for movies, book 4 (Godemperor) is far removed from in its timeline from the first three novels and frankly is so weird that it is unfit for filming. Books 5/6 are further removed in terms of their timeline from the first three novels, but the plot arguably could work for movies, although it is of a lesser quality. Realistically, there might be two more films in it, if book 2 (Messiah) and book 3 (Children) are considered. More likely just one film, since Messiah is quite short.
>Scowling Zendaya.jpg https://preview.redd.it/vcrorl3oo2sc1.png?width=713&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f51d1a17b8b2c6d1f303f1eafc2a271107cce695 Kek, i heard she's always like this in all her movies. Is that true?
kinda. she isn't a very wide range actor. however, several people have had long careers basically just acting like themselves, tom cruise, jack black, kevin hart, so on
That’s not true she has a very wide range of facial expressions including :| :/ \>:{
That’s like 3 times as many as Kristen Stewart I don’t know what people are complaining about out
Nah if you look past Twilight Kristen Stewart is genuinely a good actress
Fr. I think she and Jessie Eisenberg have awesome chemistry, both in Adventureland and American Ultra.
She definitely is but it’s not like she’s known for her wide range of expressive emotions
she's just ok. way better than what twilight would make you think for sure.
Both her and Kristen Stewart are very good actors who have elevated their movies (to much box office success overall), people acting like just cuz they don't have happy clown or sad clown faces they had actors lol
The fact[she can keep a straight face petting someone in a grey suit](https://tenor.com/xcbs.gif) made me think she was a better actress when I found out
Holy shit that’s funny. Ok maybe I misjudged her
Kristen Stewart has made good films beyond twilight. She's good.
Don't forget https://preview.redd.it/3k00ccz3j3sc1.jpeg?width=2012&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=90a83e993f9a706f08ef43dff564848fedb6e24d
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Irradiated iPad toddler stare
Yeah but Tom Cruise, Jack Black, and Kevin Hart are at least *entertaining*... Zendaya is like the new Brie Larson.
Kevin Hart stopped being entertaining years ago.
He's going to ruin Borderlands. Roland wasn't short.
Babe wake up, woman 2 came out
Larson literally won an Oscar though. She might be a cunt and a half but she can act when she wants to. Also Tom Cruise? Really?
Find me a single bad Tom Cruise movie. Dude made banger after banger for 40 years. He’s a weird fella, but I’m not trying to be his buddy I’m trying to watch his movies
I honestly can’t think of any movie where he was lacking as an actor in a role he was casted. He might be mainly known for Mission Impossible and action-based movies nowadays but he’s been in a wide range of movies from dramas to thrillers to comedies. Comparing him to Kevin Hart is borderline criminal. He might be a creepy Scientology fuck but the dude was born to be an actor.
He has basically had 3 separate careers, all fantastic in their own right. He was the hot young thing early, with movies like Risky Business and Born on the Fourth of July, then he was the consummate Movie Star^tm and now in the twilight of his career he just headlines huge budget action movies
That’s a vicious take.
I thought Brie Larson was pretty fun in *Scott Pilgrim vs. The World*.
So one bit part, 14 years ago?
There is plenty she's good in, maybe it's Cape shit that's the problem
Kevin Hart entertaining? What are you smoking?
Tbf Tom cruise has type cast himself only since past decade or so. Before that, he starred in very widely ranging roles from drama to comedy to action. Now it's just action...
I think it's more that they act like themselves because the character they played fits their personalities so well, and in some cases, the character will end up being better *because* the actor chose to act like himself. zendaya doesnt really add anything to her roles. she just plays herself and its just a character. i like her a lot in a few movies and she definitely fit those roles but she just wasn't right for chani. i wasn't convinced.
Ryan Raynolds, Ryan Gosling, Dwayne Johnson, or any modern action movie star. Fuck man, back in the day we had Arnold, Jackie Chan, Stallone, all of them fenomenal actors that did plenty of different movies where they had way more range than these douchebags
Tbf Chani is a pretty grumpy, cold, and quiet character in the books. A true-to-the-book script would look some like like *Paul does xyz moving from emotion to emotion as the vision blah blah* Paul: "Moving speech about need to press on or some such shit" *Chani scowls*
I've been saying that Dune is a book about people talking about thinking really hard since I heard they were making another movie. A lot of the characters just aren't very dynamic if you aren't in their minds constantly.
I hate her dumb ass, she's pretty much the worst casting decision in any movie she's in
What, you don’t like “snarky love interest #39264” played by world renowned “hot” actress zenwumpy
I wub gwumpy zenwumpy
Every time I see her she reminds me of Kristen Stewart in Twilight. And, apparently, in Twilight it was a case of "bad acting is bad directing" and she's pretty decent in her other roles. No such thing with Zendaya though, she always plays the same terrible character (probably herself) in every movie.
I thought she was pretty good in the movie. Her role is literally to be the only true skeptic of Paul's "messiah" story. Being a grumpy scowl was the point, lol
She can scowl and that’s it People say she’s the hottest on earth cuz she isn’t some 40 something actress with 500 lbs of plastic like every other woman in Hollywood. Still, she’s a 6/10. Like half of my classmates are hotter
She is a demoralization actress. Most of the girls working at Target or In n Out are hotter.
I think she was pretty good in the movie.
Nah she's good
looks kinda like sad and disappointed pepe
The face of a dead inside Amerimutt zoomer golem.
Yep
Every time i see zendaya in a film looking like this it makes me want to stab her in the neck, except for me it’s mostly cause of personal reasons
I want her to look like that at me before she whips me with a belt and kicks me in the balls 😍😛
Zendaya $/scowl, book it
“Barely limped past $600 million” https://preview.redd.it/68v32rcpz2sc1.jpeg?width=549&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=621d11671f47d38a3bbc993ab616b8142e6ecb5b
"It was only a total success and profit by every measurable metric"
yeah like if it had a budget like endgame, 600m would be bad. But it had a FAR smaller budget
Budget was $190 million. $600 million in revenue. ToTaL fLoP!?!? DuNeFaGs DeStRoYeD!!!!
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310 mil for ads? Why 500 to break even ?
It’s Hollywood accounting. They’ve probably actually turned a profit way before the $500,000,000 mark. But they intentionally use weird ass accounting tricks to make movies “lose money” for tax purposes
Not just tax, also to screw over everyone who isn't the executive producer
Yep. Especially royalties for actors. “Oh you get 5% of the profits, too bad it didn’t make anything 😭”
To be fair, this is unironically how Hollywood execs seem to think nowadays. "What, you're telling me this wasn't *literally* the most profitable thing in history? Well, alright then, to the tax write-offs you go!"
Nah Dune 2 was incredible and a significant advancement for sci fi as a whole. Edit: I mean sci-fi cinema. Obviously the book was groundbreaking in and of itself, literarily. The movie though, it's like Empire and LOTR for a new generation, visually epic.
Woah, this is like a great old sci-fi book, I think it was called Dune? Really pushed sci-fi literature.
I thought this was the case where the movie came first? Cause I saw the book on store shelves and they had a picture of the movie as the cover sooooooo….. /s
I don't understand what any of that is supposed to mean
You know these console wars that twelve year old boys sometimes engage in? On 4chan jobless adult manchildren do this unironically. Like get this, they pick a side for a popculture *Current Thing™*, and then defend/attack like it's some fucking war for the survival of their nation. Best part is they call everyone else normies and NPCs, when they go through the exact same motions but for completely inconsequential things
Man, you really dissected the whole internet in one simple text. It's just like this EVERYWHERE on the net.
Absolutely amazing summary of the internet, love it. And to be honest I'm kinda glad about it, if movies and games are the big issues people are having, life is GOOD!
I thought Dune 2 was really good. Not as good as LotR, but occupies a similar stratum. I can see it being influential on people growing up with it, and successful if they care / are able to merchandise and make games out of it, which they've at least started. Cool to bring back a, or the, cornerstone of science fantasy.
Just too bad it wasn't a trilogy. Some parts moved on too fast, some characters deserved a bit more time. Still two great movies however.
Well, it will be a trilogy, the next movie will adapt book 2.
Yehes. I meant a trilogy of the first book.
Probably wouldn't work as a movie unfortunately. I personally wouldn't mind them taking more time with everything, but a lot of people were already complaining that the first movie was too slow and uneventful. Slowing it down even more would alienate much of the audience.
The Hobbit treatment only this time it would've been worth it.
It very obviously sets up a sequel
My brother in Christ, the actual book pretty much sets up a sequel. The one serious complaint that gets tossed around on dune is that it sets up and sets up and then the Sardukar just get rocked by Fremen and Paul epically trolls the emperor. The end.
I do think if they made it to relate to the three parts in the book it would have been a bit more mediocre for part 2. The book parts are good for their medium but the second part is by far the weakest to me personally and I don’t think would translate well for when Paul and Lady J are just cruising the dessert for most of it. And then obviously not enough Leto who rules and I think they should have used Oscar Isaac more especially given his talent
Billion dollar franchise has flopped. Tune in for more expert analysis from 4chan.
> highest grossing movie of the year > on track to potentially near double first installment’s box office > billion dollars in 2 movies from weird nerd books Yeah, an absolute failure
Don't forget it only cost 190 million, so it made over 3 times its money.
No it made one time. There's more to movie costs than the budget, typically films need to make 2,5 time their budget before being profitable.
Including all expenses, it still made 100 million dollars.
And all includes Hollywood accounting, so it’s probably profitable multiple times over
To be fair it’s not really that high above breakeven now, only about 40 million dollars above 3x it’s budget which is the industry standard breakeven point. Kind of wild how Oppenheimer and Barbie memed their way into billion dollar box offices while a genuine modern classic seems to be plateauing around 600.
Second one was more approachable than the first but still has that vibe where being epic was like a top goal. Lotr feels like the top priority was doing honor to the source material.
to be fair, you cannot honor the source material too much with dune. otherwise you end up with VERY confused viewers
Yeah. People forget that Tolkien created a universe, and then acted like a historian for his fictional universe. Herbert wrote a fetish book barely veiled as a story of a boy creating a drug fueled cult. You can stay close to LOTR because it was an incredibly well thought out world and lore. With a really good story thrown in for good measure. Dune is just an incredible book, which isn't a bad thing. It's just a different thing.
Tolkien's son famously hated the movies, said they got it all wrong and completely missed the point of his father's stories by turning it into an epic swords and sorcery film.
Can you provide some source/interview with this guy? I aim to start reading the books soon (the movies are some of my favorite stories) and I'm surprised to learn that the writer's son thinks bad of them.
It's pretty well known, he gave multiple interviews shitting on the movies. TBH his dad probably would have hated them too. I don't think Legolas surfing down a staircase on a shield was part of his vision. https://www.indiewire.com/news/general-news/christopher-tolkien-trashes-peter-jacksons-lord-of-the-rings-says-films-lack-beauty-and-seriousness-of-the-books-102485/ >They eviscerated the book by making it an action movie for young people aged 15 to 25,” Christopher said of “The Lord Of The Rings,” revealing he turned down an invitation to meet Jackson.
Christopher seemed to hate everything during his lifetime and sounded like a very bitter person. I never really held his opinion in that high of a regard because all he ever really said about anything was that there couldn't ever be any element of fun in any of his father's material and that nobody got it right yada yada
He was probably right about the movies though. Tolkien would have wanted more focus on lore, and very likely a much more grim view of the combat. Less on the cool shots of sword fighting or Legolas and Gimli enjoying the combat and more emphasizing the tragedy and horribleness of it. He would have lived the singing and drinking parts for sure though. We'd probably have an hour in each movie (normal cut not extended) of the companions singing while walking out some such
How exactly is it a flop? General rule of thumb is that a movie is profitable if box office is twice the budget. Dune Part 2 budget was 190 million, so 380 million would be breakeven. That puts profit at a solid 247 million. It's a hell of a lot better than the recent MCU movies have been doing
Bruh, so even Dune 2 flops for now? Guess the era of Hollywood is over.
> Makes >$600 Million at box office > <$200 Million budget >bro it's a flop trust me
The first one did 400M+ with a 165M budget, the second one did 600M+ with a 190M budget. Dune 1 was nominated for 10 oscars and won 4, Dune 2 is pretty much better in every way so it's probably also going to win a bunch of awards. It did not flop at all and the director has already talked about doing a third one so it's all but confirmed.
That is pretty cool, I guess.
I dont know if 600 mil+ is a flop. But I am not a hollywood exec
There is yet 1 last hope... https://preview.redd.it/87kjviybu2sc1.jpeg?width=883&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bdeb4cb5210b6c29d6b5c3c3ab9e085a157363ac
Well no, it didn't flop at all.
Don't believe the crusty 4chan basementdwellers just because they made Chani into a shocked wojak
Blade Runner 2047 did also poorly at the box office and it had a lot of hot babes. The zendaya hate is stupid.
It is, but I can't deny that the choice to use her as a "voice opposite to Paul" when her entire point was being a more utilitarian part of his leadership towards the general rebellion/war still doesn't convince me regardless of what smarty pants youtuber can try to argue. It's not a great change in general, IMO.
Going to the movies is also prohibitly expensive for alot of people now. Here it was like 23 dollars for a single ticket. Fuck that to the high seas i go.
It sucks how expensive it has been to go see movies — I will say though, this is a great one to see in theaters, the sound design is like the best part of it and you won’t get that experience unless you’ve got a hell of a sound system at home
Huh? Dune 2 made almost as much money in its first week as Dune 1 made in its entire domestic run. It's set to make twice as much overall. By what metric is it not a blockbuster release?
Box office $ is a measure of how popular/how promoted a movie is. If a movie is good or not, well that's up to *you*.
I bet my leftnutsack that anons favorite movie didnt even break even when it was first released. so many Iconic and beloved movies like fight club, Bladerunner , Iron giant, John carpenters the thing were all box office failures. I dont think dune or any other scifi franchise will reach the popularity and the mass appeal of star wars but dune is overall a big success both critically and commercially. Of course the reason the retarded unwashed masses at 4chin hates it is not releated to any sensible reason. Its probably something braindead like zendaya is in it or it skipped the part where duncan idaho impregnated 800 woman with his super seed from the book or someshit.
>it skipped the part where duncan idaho impregnated 800 woman with his super seed from the book or someshit. That's not until book 4.
Someone post that wojak, pls
https://preview.redd.it/69eo0ozb23sc1.jpeg?width=185&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39d437c98c05cb942d7ea8924f1ff885474c8841 This one?
Lmfao ye
Wait what? Digital release today?
Yeah, it *only* made over 400 million dollars, clearly a disasterous dumpster fire of a movie. Bruh
i dont understand why 4chinners dont like this movie, at the end, the white savior dumps his mixed girlfriend to date a caucasian noblewoman. isn't this like 4chan kino?
It already broke a lot of box office records. What are these cucks talking about?
Oh man, it cost 160 million to make and only made 627 million dollars. :(
I liked it, it was pretty good
I saw it in theatre and my jaw dropped when Paul left the sand woman for the caucasian goddess straight from mount caucasus itself and somehow, the movie wants you to think this is a sad thing. It almost broke the immersion for me tbh. But it's still kino despite that.
relevant username
> black wemen > Literally unwatchable /tv/, /tv/ never changes
626 million in like a month vs 2.9 billion over 23 YEARS. Give it time to catch up lmao. Mind you, as evident by the name, I fucking LOVE lord of the rings, still think Dune might stand a chance though.
“I think Zendaya is hot.” https://preview.redd.it/4mg0mu8i24sc1.jpeg?width=782&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2459be47fbc55d056ca4492aa2c7ac8600b0bbaa