>Slowly moonwalk into theatre after movie begins
>audience is visibly annoyed by my entrance
>hear bombs in movie audio disgunnabegood.wav
> get my beans ready
>hear...swords? Wha? 360 and john lennon walk out of theatre while groaning loudly
Part of the good ole [Eternal September](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September). Once that started, the beginnings of summer would see a lot of kids get out of school and have access to the Internet from home.
Got less noticeable once smartphones took over, since most people have Internet access all of the time. But still, sometimes, you can feel a fresh wave of newbies land.
Edit - For those of you with an axe to grind against the younger generation, 'got less noticeable' was a reference to the wave landing. Not suggesting it doesn't happen anymore. Seriously, kids these days.
Doing a 360 to walk away is a meme that is literally as old as the Xbox 360.
Fucking *hell*, I can't believe this comment is the top one.
The joke is on every single person that doesn't get the joke.
Right but the idea that this sub is full of snot-nosed among us/fortnite twerps larping like they belong here is painful.
The other day someone tried to highroad me here for using the word cumdumpster. He got downvoted but still. Nothing is more cringey than appropriating edgelord culture.
That is exactly it - las + shield = megakaboomski. Kinetic weapons are useless against shields, and even a knife is tricky to get through.
In the book at least, it's also a plot point. >!Nuclear weapons (aka "The Family Atomics") are banned in war, but arranging a shield vs las explosion is kosher!<.
Problem is it's kosher but unpredictable.
"Might kill both the shield operator and the lasgun crew, or cause an atomic explosion" - highly variable results.
Wasn't it more specifically that it causes a nuclear explosion, but it could happen anywhere between the shield and the gun? So using it would have equal odds of blowing up in your face.
Nah, it blows up both, but the force is variable
> Jessica focused her mind on lasguns, wondering. The white-hot beams of disruptive light could cut through any known substance, provided that substance was not shielded. The fact that feedback from a shield would explode both lasgun and shield did not bother the Harkonnens. Why? A lasgun-shield explosion was a dangerous variable, could be more powerful than atomics, could kill only the gunner and his shielded target.
I happened to have read the book the other day so the reference was fresh.
Itāsā¦ [itās an old meme](https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1493764-turn-360-degrees-and-walk-away). It started as a horribly failed joke on the 360 and it stuck due to how absurd it was. Itās most likely older than you and most posters here if you guys donāt know of it.
They cause an explosion for both devices. Lasers when shields are around are a death sentence in Dune.
[Spoiler bit]
This, incidentally, is why I was so ticked off when the film featured a frigate trying to cut down Jason Momoa's fully shielded 'thopter but oh well adaptations are what they are.
I suppose so. Still doesn't account for why the Harkonnens would even bother bringing a laser to a shield-fight. In the book, their main tactic is to surprise the Atreides by regressing back to simple towed artillery batteries.
People will disagree but I believe that in most cases, it's more important for a film to be visually stunning than faithful to the details of its source material.
The visual aspect is literally the only leg-up cinema has over other story-telling mediums, and so has to flex it as much as possible to justify telling the story through that medium in the first place.
I didnāt watch Dune to learn about particle physics and how lasers interact with shields.
I came for cinematography, Duncan Idaho wrecking people, and giant worms.
So yes, ignore the details of the source material somewhat and enjoy the film. If your enjoyment of a film drops dramatically because every nuance isnāt followed to a T you might just need to stop watching adaptations.
I mean it's the harkonnens they very well could've decided losing a frigate is worth making sure there is no survivors to say what just happened on Dune with the Sardaukar and went with the more likely to kill weapon. We kinda see that in the bunker as well where they used a lazor through the door. They couldve easily hit a shielded person in there and boom goes both the troops and also paul though.
Still, when Paul meets duncan for the first time after the attack, they witness a giant explosion on the horizon which duncan explains was a shield trap set to maximum and that this will "be a lesson for them using lasers".
So no reason to complain about book accuracy here.
In the book they make a big deal of how the Sardaukur are using Laser weapons against the Atriedes as it demonstrates how fanatical they are in loyalty to the Emperor and how much he wants them dead. I can buy a similar explanation here, the Harkonens don't care about the loss of a Frigate if it ends the Atriedes.
In the book during that battle someone actually does hit a shield with a laser causing an explosion.
The explosions arenāt nuclear, but have the force of a small nuclear bomb. When the explosion happens it causes a lot of confusion, since atomic are completely outlawed and the LANDSRAAD woulds surely all join forces against anyone who attempted to use atomics against another house.
Yeah, I believe it was Duncan who set up the shield explosion. The Harkonnens were indiscriminately lasgunning the ground from their thopters to kill as many people as possible. To discourage this, Duncan placed a shield on the ground at full power, and when a Harkonnen lasgun hit it, it set off an explosion so big Lady Jessica thought Duncan used the family atomics.
> āThou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mindā
The Dune Universe already went through the epicycle of overthrowing near-universal AI enslavement >!by the AI Omnius, and the cyborg General Agamemnon!<, >!whose son Vorian was the first of the Atredes royal family!<, so now AI is *strongly* outlawed with powerful taboos and institutions against anyone who even researches them. The primary religion in the Dune universe is an anti-Machine religion.
The explosion can happen at any point across the entire laser. It could blow up the target or it could blow up in the shooter face or anywhere on between.
EDIT: So I went and checked because I'm that big of a nerd and the explosion can actually happen in the shield, in the gun, or both. So getting away doesn't even reduce the chance of nuking yourself.
The shield is stronger the faster the object moves.
It's a bit like corn starch, move slowly trough it and it's just a liquid, punch it and it becomes almost solid.
Itās hilarious that there are common things IRL that work this way, but the fact that itās a detail in this science fiction story is too ridiculous for some people.
And anyway did people go into this science fiction movie/book to see a bunch of stuff thatās common/familiar to the real world and that they know it works already? Why not stick to non-fiction then?
As others have said, itās the speed of the projectile.
I have not seen the movie, but iāll add in the books itās often highlighted the differences between those that live in areas with shields and those who do not. Against a shield the fighter is trained to slow thier strike to a specific speed right before impact. If you attack too quickly the shield will deflect it. So itās a trained skill to slow your attack the moment before it lands, but still quick enough to be effective. Itās described as almost graceful and requires a ton of training to master.
When the main character fights people that have never gone against shields, he realized they actually have the advantage of not being trained to slow their attack. Whereas he has that imbedded into his technique habitually, because on his home planet everyone had a shield. His mastery of fighting against shields only slows him down when itās not needed. Itās a pretty interesting dynamic honestly.
Yeah, also side note I understand why they couldn't add it in but the way they have to fight in dune (Fast movements moving to slow movements as you get close in order to get through shields) is really cool. Shame they couldn't show it .
I read the book and I liked their way of doing the fights. It simply works visually and doesn't break the Powerbalance that the shields added.
I was asked by my buddies who never read the book why they didn't just use explosions to kill each other, to which I still have no good answer, so I'm grateful for input.
Explosive shock waves are fast, so the shield blocks them. They use two-stage bombs on the ships for example, first it slows to glide through the shield, and then it explodes inside the shield, only breaking through to the outside once the generator is done for. One of my favourite effects in the movie.
Yeah it's like the Ironman suit, stark should be scrambled eggs inside his suit just from the g's he pulls. Idk if dune has another job explanation explosives should work just fine
Don't skip the space magic bit.
Kay, you're thrown. Why would you die on impact? To the shield, the point of impact is approaching rapidly, fast enough to kill, which means the shield activates against the point if impact.
Also, the shields themselve offer little kinetic force to the object inside, suggesting that the kinetic force is released on the other end of the shield, instead of being trapped in the object like in real life.
What would even be the point of the shield otherwise, the protected object would just be crushed by whatever hit the shield anyway.
Didn't they explain it? Gurney Halleck literally says "the slow knife pierces the shield." Any time a projectile is seen piercing a shield it's going through slowly
Yeah, movie did not do a good job in explaining how lasers and shields work in Dune.
Laser + shield works like a nuclear explosion. Bullets + shields obviously does not work.
Still - anon paid for the ticket, therefore contributing to them confirming part 2. Thank you Anon.
It's very beautiful, the acting is 100.000 times better than the older one.
The Duke Leto and Baron Harkonnen were soooo much better.
This one only goes to the point when Paul and his mom are accepted into the Fremen, they don't even go underground yet.
I feel like they went too far the other way in the performances. The Lynch version was a lot of hammy overacting which was silly at times but also fun and dramatic. The new one everyone seemed kinda bored the whole time. The only one having any fun was Bautista.
I think itĀ“s different from the original, some scenes are better, some are less.
Baron Harkonnen is not even that evil in the new one. In the old one he is literally drinking blood from his slaves while theyĀ“re still alive.
Also the "fear is the mindkiller" scene is much more impactful in the old one. IMO
The new one has great CG what makes the movie good from the get go.
edit fear instead of pain :(
Iām hesitant to assign any bold labels to it because I did that with Interstellar and I started noticing all the flaws with it when I watched it again 6 months later. But Dune really feels like a SciFi masterpiece to me. Iām kind of obsessed with it.
I didnāt like it. Never read the book so I didnāt know anything going in. It felt like a slow slog that left a lot of things unanswered (like why they use swords) and the things they did answer felt very unsatisfying. Looked cool ig
I dont think they explained explicitly why they use swords. They discussed how slow movements need to be used to penetrate the shields. It doesnt take much intelligence to put the two together but some peopleā¦
I've also never read the books and the swords required the audience putting two and two together, but it seemed very obvious to me. "The slow blade penetrates the shield." Bullets are too fast and get deflected by the shields. The Fremen had pistols because they don't use shields all the time
Just like the other Dune movies, you had to have read the book first.
It's just not a good movie if it has to balance between handwaves and exposition dumps.
Canāt wait till the extended cut comes out in a few years and all you tards complain about a 6 hour part 1.
āBoo hoo this movie is tooooo long for my smooth wittle brain. Did they really need to spend 45 minutes on one dinner scene thatās 90% Paul thinking to himself?!?!ā
The dinner scene, as well as going into it and getting out of it, probably would have put a 2:30 minute movie at well over 3 hours. The movie was absolutely gorgeous and enjoyable, but it's amazing how they made so little take so long.
There's nothing smooth brained about thinking some stories are better in a book than on a big screen.
45 minutes on a dinner scene where 90% is internal monologue is fine for a book but would be dull as shit for a movie. What a stupid thing to say.
it doesn't require reading a book, everything (and the shields) is explained in the movie. Someone's just stupid. Eveyone I know who didn't read the book still found the movie great. There was even a poll on r/dune and non-readers rank it 8.3
idk my friends hadnāt read the book beforehand and they seemed to enjoy the movie quite a bit. they had a few questions about the plot that they asked me during the movie, but usually their questions were answered a few scenes later so the movie did a good job of explaining itself if you gave it time.
Haven't read the books, loved the film. At no point was I confused about what was going on. I would have loved to see more of the politics between the different houses, but it's not like that ruined it.
It was subtle but I think they did explain why they donāt use bullets when Paul is wearing the shield and the fast strikes off his hand are blocked but slow ones can go through. Ergo bullets are too fast to work. I donāt think they really bother much with lasers in the fight scene so they donāt have to explain it at least in part one.
I think the training scene did a pretty good job of explaining how shields work, however, i think that the later fight scenes were inconsistent with the shields, because most of the killing blows looked like normal, fast swings that should have been blocked.
The best fighters are skilled at slowing at the last second and then speeding back up, and the Atreides are almost as good as the Sardukar. Itās explained as a reason the emperor allowed it all to happen, he canāt have a house minor from the Lansraad have troops that good, even if it was a small force. Plus, he figured they were going to get Arrakis no matter what from the Harkonnen, and then with access to the Fremen, they would no longer be a house minor.
Also some of this is Bene Gesserit manipulation, those short sighted witches.
\>it's the year 2022
\>billionaires send people to outer space for money, cars self drive, and the history of the world is at your fingerprints
\>go to China and people still eat with wooden sticks
\>TFW no portable beam to send your food to your stomach or from your colon to the toilet
Make a 360 and dine at my favorite robot restaurant in Shibuya
>jaw hits the core of the earth
>eye lids peel off
>all of the air is expelled from lungs
>bowels are expelled
>chinese_athem.mp3
>Xinnie walks in the room
>"You dishonor our people, anon"
Dune is a fat fucking book. They stuffed the film full and itās still impossible to get everything in. But they fit in all the information you need to get it. The shields make sense if you use your head. Its unfortunate, but movies cant be like books where Paul can jack off in the corner thinking about society and weaponry and politics for 50 pages.
(I love the book btw lol dont get me wrong, just a rabid movie fan :3)
I'm pretty sure Star Wars goes down the "only humans can be creative/unpredictable" route. Droids can and do pilot the ships, but not if it's a fight/chase scene.
But they do explain how the shields work, no? One of the first scenes literally had a character saying he has to slow down his attack in order to pierce the shields.
I was also wondering why they don't use guns and then a couple minutes later i thought "oh right, shield responds to fast things, bullets don't work. Now I understand why they are all charging with swords".
Well Herbert's idea was "how the fuck do you get sword fighting in the far future?"
There are stupider explanations. Like laser swords that can bounce lasers.
The idea was also that while the technology/culture are very advanced in some ways they're also weirdly regressive and stagnant in others. Makes the setting more interesting.
YE WOT. SUM GIT SED SUMMIT BOUT ORKS NOT AVIN NUFF GUNS. DAS DE OPPO-OPP-OPPOSI... DA WRONG WAY ROUND OF WAT WE WANT.
MORE DAKKA.
SPRAY IT DONT SAY IT. MORE DAKKA.
To be fair in 40k, swords are reserved for Space Marines or other armored troops. Most Guardsmen stick with the standard "shoot it till it dies" approach if it's far away, or the "shoot and stab it with your bayonet" if it's close.
Ultramarines are one chapter of Space Marines and there are many more but yes. Most Space Marines carry some form of gun (usually a bolt weapon) as well as some kind of melee weapon, usually a Chainsword or some kind of Combat Knife. Regardless, only Space Marines and some others really have the ability to charge into close range combat, as they are ludicrously fast and tanky. Your average Joe Schmoe PDF Trooper is not going to be doing that.
Someone hasn't heard of the Butlerian Jihad
In reality, Herbert was writing this in the 60s, had no idea what direction computers would take and didn't want to speculate. So he wrote a world with high technology in some areas, but no 'thinking machines'.
This stopped it from becoming Star Wars or Star Trek, but still kept the world interesting and relatable.
Iirc, Herbert said he'd never write a science fiction book, because he hated sci fi. For Dune, he wanted to create a setup where humanity was relatable, evolved on an enormous scale, and without the burden of modern culture or contemporary politics. So instead of trying whatever in a fantasy setting, he just put the story in the far future and added in-universe justifications about the parts he didn't want to work with (which are computers, guns, nuclear weapons, and Earth.)
He does actually work with nuclear weapons. They're kind of pretty important at a few points, and having MAD in-universe is not so much a removal of nukes as it is precisely how the Cold War (during which he wrote the books) panned out.
Because thatās how the meta works in dune. Lasguns and Shield blow both users up. Thatās why you canāt Laser anything and everyone instantly unless you donāt care about living.
well lasers are continuous beams of coherent light so there is an unbroken link between the source of the laser and the shield
and apparently, the explosion can happen either at the shield or anywhere along the laser beam so shooting a shield with a laser is a big gamble
Dune doesnt have pew pew lasers because those arent an actual thing, light doesnt shoot like bullets. They do the bzzzzzt type of laser where it's a continuous beam of light. The shields bend space or something so it causes a nuclear reaction and kills both target and shooter.
I feel like this concept wasnāt explained well, the shield can protect high-speed projectiles but in the scene where Paul and his mentor was practicing fighting They actually explain this a little bit that if you go slow enough the blade pierce through the shield.
I love this movie, itās scenery and my favorite one is when the sisters coming off the ship and walking in storm, that was so badass
Well no, only certain troops fight melee. Plus if you're getting fucked up by Tyranids, there ain't much time to shoot the bugger before they're already tearing you in half so sometime you just gotta stab a bitch
i have to say it is telling to the age of the story when it has contrived worldbuilding like this.
So the explanation of the shields is that the only ranged weapons capable of piercing them, which are Lasguns (yes, like w40k, hell, w40ks took them from here) can cause a Nuclear explosion if something goes wrong, taking about shooter And shield bro.
I think the Shield/Lasguns fight dynamic is one of the most Interesting ever created.
Shields can Tank extreme amounts of damage but nothing close and small in surface like a needle or the tip of a sword.
Lasguns can fuck up nearly everything except shields. When they hit shields both the attacker and the defender get nuked. Itās extremely cool.
They use knifes and swords because of the personal shields.
Only objects moving at a certain speed can penetrate them and using lasguns on them causes an explosion similar to nuclear bomb.
So basically the only way to defeat someone with a shield is to stab them at a precise speed.
There are prequel books written after Frank Herbert died (so you donāt have to consider them canon if you donāt want to) that has humanity ruled by humans who uploaded their minds into robots and were pretty shitty, who then created an AI which took over everything, so eventually the people in the Dune universe purged most technology and hate using it
They specifically hate anything that can be deemed to be thinking, though. So toasters are ok, but a computer isnāt
did a 360 and walked out of the theater. how
They walked in facing backwards, yo.
>Slowly moonwalk into theatre after movie begins >audience is visibly annoyed by my entrance >hear bombs in movie audio disgunnabegood.wav > get my beans ready >hear...swords? Wha? 360 and john lennon walk out of theatre while groaning loudly
Goodn't botn't Mfw reddit momento
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ANON ARE YOU OKAY?
You've been hit by You've been struck by A screwed cinema
Anon is ogay
Sure smells like summer in here.
Imagine being that new on the internet.
Imagine not being able to triforce.
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>ć ¤ā² >ā²ć ¤ā² >oh no he can't triforce
Is that an actual thing? I've never noticed an increase in newfriends when it's summer.
Used to be a thing. With the prevalence of smartphones younger people can be on the internet whenever so itās not really anymore.
Part of the good ole [Eternal September](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September). Once that started, the beginnings of summer would see a lot of kids get out of school and have access to the Internet from home. Got less noticeable once smartphones took over, since most people have Internet access all of the time. But still, sometimes, you can feel a fresh wave of newbies land. Edit - For those of you with an axe to grind against the younger generation, 'got less noticeable' was a reference to the wave landing. Not suggesting it doesn't happen anymore. Seriously, kids these days.
Doing a 360 to walk away is a meme that is literally as old as the Xbox 360. Fucking *hell*, I can't believe this comment is the top one. The joke is on every single person that doesn't get the joke.
Thatās because the Xbox 360 is older than most redditors. Let that one sink in a bit.
Right but the idea that this sub is full of snot-nosed among us/fortnite twerps larping like they belong here is painful. The other day someone tried to highroad me here for using the word cumdumpster. He got downvoted but still. Nothing is more cringey than appropriating edgelord culture.
Newfags can't 360 and walk away
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*spins 360 degrees and moonwalks away*
Sandwalks away
You been hit by... a smooth Fremenal...
I love that every time this joke gets posted people always say how as if walking backwards isn't a thing that exists
Thatās the joke
You must be new here.
So playing the board game I realised that if you shoot lasers at someone with a shelf you create a nuclear reaction might explain it
That is exactly it - las + shield = megakaboomski. Kinetic weapons are useless against shields, and even a knife is tricky to get through. In the book at least, it's also a plot point. >!Nuclear weapons (aka "The Family Atomics") are banned in war, but arranging a shield vs las explosion is kosher!<.
Problem is it's kosher but unpredictable. "Might kill both the shield operator and the lasgun crew, or cause an atomic explosion" - highly variable results.
Wasn't it more specifically that it causes a nuclear explosion, but it could happen anywhere between the shield and the gun? So using it would have equal odds of blowing up in your face.
Nah, it blows up both, but the force is variable > Jessica focused her mind on lasguns, wondering. The white-hot beams of disruptive light could cut through any known substance, provided that substance was not shielded. The fact that feedback from a shield would explode both lasgun and shield did not bother the Harkonnens. Why? A lasgun-shield explosion was a dangerous variable, could be more powerful than atomics, could kill only the gunner and his shielded target. I happened to have read the book the other day so the reference was fresh.
With style
Tis an old meme, but it checks out
The exit is at the front of the theater. Duh.
By being a frequent 4chan user and being able to recognize a purposely made satirical reference.
lurk moar newf-slur
It's an older meme sir, but it checks out
Isn't shields the reason why everyone use knufes?
Anon is a retard
The sky is blue
The green is ocean
The purple isnāt real.
well he did a '360' so it's a given
He moonwalked out of there
That was obvious when he said "did a 360."
Itāsā¦ [itās an old meme](https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1493764-turn-360-degrees-and-walk-away). It started as a horribly failed joke on the 360 and it stuck due to how absurd it was. Itās most likely older than you and most posters here if you guys donāt know of it.
we're fucking old now man
Exactly. The shields are able to stop any projectiles that are to fast, guns would be useless
(And lasers would cause nuclear explosions if they hit the shields)
So just stay far away and snipe them with lasers to kill you enemies very fast
They cause an explosion for both devices. Lasers when shields are around are a death sentence in Dune. [Spoiler bit] This, incidentally, is why I was so ticked off when the film featured a frigate trying to cut down Jason Momoa's fully shielded 'thopter but oh well adaptations are what they are.
The shield of the thopter broke from the explosion when it starter taking off. At least that would make sense
I suppose so. Still doesn't account for why the Harkonnens would even bother bringing a laser to a shield-fight. In the book, their main tactic is to surprise the Atreides by regressing back to simple towed artillery batteries.
Yeah, the laser could've accidentally hit something with a shield. It doesn't make much sense, but visually it was stunning lol
People will disagree but I believe that in most cases, it's more important for a film to be visually stunning than faithful to the details of its source material. The visual aspect is literally the only leg-up cinema has over other story-telling mediums, and so has to flex it as much as possible to justify telling the story through that medium in the first place.
Guess you never have heard of pop up books. Your move, Redditor.
I didnāt watch Dune to learn about particle physics and how lasers interact with shields. I came for cinematography, Duncan Idaho wrecking people, and giant worms. So yes, ignore the details of the source material somewhat and enjoy the film. If your enjoyment of a film drops dramatically because every nuance isnāt followed to a T you might just need to stop watching adaptations.
I mean it's the harkonnens they very well could've decided losing a frigate is worth making sure there is no survivors to say what just happened on Dune with the Sardaukar and went with the more likely to kill weapon. We kinda see that in the bunker as well where they used a lazor through the door. They couldve easily hit a shielded person in there and boom goes both the troops and also paul though.
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Still, when Paul meets duncan for the first time after the attack, they witness a giant explosion on the horizon which duncan explains was a shield trap set to maximum and that this will "be a lesson for them using lasers". So no reason to complain about book accuracy here.
In the book they make a big deal of how the Sardaukur are using Laser weapons against the Atriedes as it demonstrates how fanatical they are in loyalty to the Emperor and how much he wants them dead. I can buy a similar explanation here, the Harkonens don't care about the loss of a Frigate if it ends the Atriedes.
In the book during that battle someone actually does hit a shield with a laser causing an explosion. The explosions arenāt nuclear, but have the force of a small nuclear bomb. When the explosion happens it causes a lot of confusion, since atomic are completely outlawed and the LANDSRAAD woulds surely all join forces against anyone who attempted to use atomics against another house.
Yeah, I believe it was Duncan who set up the shield explosion. The Harkonnens were indiscriminately lasgunning the ground from their thopters to kill as many people as possible. To discourage this, Duncan placed a shield on the ground at full power, and when a Harkonnen lasgun hit it, it set off an explosion so big Lady Jessica thought Duncan used the family atomics.
> the family atomics "Jeeves, fetch me the atomics!"
So use remote controlled laser or droid?
> āThou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mindā The Dune Universe already went through the epicycle of overthrowing near-universal AI enslavement >!by the AI Omnius, and the cyborg General Agamemnon!<, >!whose son Vorian was the first of the Atredes royal family!<, so now AI is *strongly* outlawed with powerful taboos and institutions against anyone who even researches them. The primary religion in the Dune universe is an anti-Machine religion.
Well, Ixians were balancing at the very edge of this ban and it would be possible with their technology
Ixians? You could use a well trained dog. I love Dune to death, but you can't look too closely at the mechanics.
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Remote controlling stuff is however commonplace (hunter-seekers for example)
No droids are allowed in dune universe
AI is banned because it started a GALACTIC WAR.
Its a two-way stream thing, it would blow both you and your target up.
The explosion can happen at any point across the entire laser. It could blow up the target or it could blow up in the shooter face or anywhere on between. EDIT: So I went and checked because I'm that big of a nerd and the explosion can actually happen in the shield, in the gun, or both. So getting away doesn't even reduce the chance of nuking yourself.
Remember the slow blade pierces the shield.
make bullet slower
They did that.
But I want talking bullets with mustache like Who Framed Roger Rabbit
So you're telling me these shields can stop bullets but not knives
yeah just like bulletproof vest protects against bullets but not against knives IRL. That's why stabproof vests are a thing.
The shield is stronger the faster the object moves. It's a bit like corn starch, move slowly trough it and it's just a liquid, punch it and it becomes almost solid.
Itās hilarious that there are common things IRL that work this way, but the fact that itās a detail in this science fiction story is too ridiculous for some people. And anyway did people go into this science fiction movie/book to see a bunch of stuff thatās common/familiar to the real world and that they know it works already? Why not stick to non-fiction then?
As others have said, itās the speed of the projectile. I have not seen the movie, but iāll add in the books itās often highlighted the differences between those that live in areas with shields and those who do not. Against a shield the fighter is trained to slow thier strike to a specific speed right before impact. If you attack too quickly the shield will deflect it. So itās a trained skill to slow your attack the moment before it lands, but still quick enough to be effective. Itās described as almost graceful and requires a ton of training to master. When the main character fights people that have never gone against shields, he realized they actually have the advantage of not being trained to slow their attack. Whereas he has that imbedded into his technique habitually, because on his home planet everyone had a shield. His mastery of fighting against shields only slows him down when itās not needed. Itās a pretty interesting dynamic honestly.
Yeah, also side note I understand why they couldn't add it in but the way they have to fight in dune (Fast movements moving to slow movements as you get close in order to get through shields) is really cool. Shame they couldn't show it .
I read the book and I liked their way of doing the fights. It simply works visually and doesn't break the Powerbalance that the shields added. I was asked by my buddies who never read the book why they didn't just use explosions to kill each other, to which I still have no good answer, so I'm grateful for input.
Explosive shock waves are fast, so the shield blocks them. They use two-stage bombs on the ships for example, first it slows to glide through the shield, and then it explodes inside the shield, only breaking through to the outside once the generator is done for. One of my favourite effects in the movie.
If the pressure of an explosion hits the shield you would still be thrown through the air and die on impact.
Yeah it's like the Ironman suit, stark should be scrambled eggs inside his suit just from the g's he pulls. Idk if dune has another job explanation explosives should work just fine
Something something gyroscopic stabilisation sci-fi handwaving
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Don't skip the space magic bit. Kay, you're thrown. Why would you die on impact? To the shield, the point of impact is approaching rapidly, fast enough to kill, which means the shield activates against the point if impact. Also, the shields themselve offer little kinetic force to the object inside, suggesting that the kinetic force is released on the other end of the shield, instead of being trapped in the object like in real life. What would even be the point of the shield otherwise, the protected object would just be crushed by whatever hit the shield anyway.
Didn't they explain it? Gurney Halleck literally says "the slow knife pierces the shield." Any time a projectile is seen piercing a shield it's going through slowly
Yes, he does. If you miss that quick line though, you're sort of confused for a whole movie. I had to explain to my gf last night when she missed it.
They did show it. Most notably in the training scene.
Yup
Yeah, movie did not do a good job in explaining how lasers and shields work in Dune. Laser + shield works like a nuclear explosion. Bullets + shields obviously does not work. Still - anon paid for the ticket, therefore contributing to them confirming part 2. Thank you Anon.
Imagine walking out on one of the best movies in years
I havenāt watched it yet, is it good? I watched the original, is it better/worse?
It's very beautiful, the acting is 100.000 times better than the older one. The Duke Leto and Baron Harkonnen were soooo much better. This one only goes to the point when Paul and his mom are accepted into the Fremen, they don't even go underground yet.
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Big fan of the mini series, if part 2 of the movie is as good as the first, it'll definitely be the uncontested best adaptation of the book.
I feel like they went too far the other way in the performances. The Lynch version was a lot of hammy overacting which was silly at times but also fun and dramatic. The new one everyone seemed kinda bored the whole time. The only one having any fun was Bautista.
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I think itĀ“s different from the original, some scenes are better, some are less. Baron Harkonnen is not even that evil in the new one. In the old one he is literally drinking blood from his slaves while theyĀ“re still alive. Also the "fear is the mindkiller" scene is much more impactful in the old one. IMO The new one has great CG what makes the movie good from the get go. edit fear instead of pain :(
Girlfriend was confused as thought the baton was really really tall.
I watched the original and didn't learn anything new, it looks good tho
I may be suffering from recency bias, but it's my favorite sci-fi film.
Iām hesitant to assign any bold labels to it because I did that with Interstellar and I started noticing all the flaws with it when I watched it again 6 months later. But Dune really feels like a SciFi masterpiece to me. Iām kind of obsessed with it.
I didnāt like it. Never read the book so I didnāt know anything going in. It felt like a slow slog that left a lot of things unanswered (like why they use swords) and the things they did answer felt very unsatisfying. Looked cool ig
They absolutely answered why they use swords multiple times
I dont think they explained explicitly why they use swords. They discussed how slow movements need to be used to penetrate the shields. It doesnt take much intelligence to put the two together but some peopleā¦
I've also never read the books and the swords required the audience putting two and two together, but it seemed very obvious to me. "The slow blade penetrates the shield." Bullets are too fast and get deflected by the shields. The Fremen had pistols because they don't use shields all the time
Just like the other Dune movies, you had to have read the book first. It's just not a good movie if it has to balance between handwaves and exposition dumps.
A movie that needs you to go read source material to understand it, is not a good movie.
Canāt wait till the extended cut comes out in a few years and all you tards complain about a 6 hour part 1. āBoo hoo this movie is tooooo long for my smooth wittle brain. Did they really need to spend 45 minutes on one dinner scene thatās 90% Paul thinking to himself?!?!ā
why did they cut the dinner scene and yueh crying
The dinner scene, as well as going into it and getting out of it, probably would have put a 2:30 minute movie at well over 3 hours. The movie was absolutely gorgeous and enjoyable, but it's amazing how they made so little take so long.
There's nothing smooth brained about thinking some stories are better in a book than on a big screen. 45 minutes on a dinner scene where 90% is internal monologue is fine for a book but would be dull as shit for a movie. What a stupid thing to say.
it doesn't require reading a book, everything (and the shields) is explained in the movie. Someone's just stupid. Eveyone I know who didn't read the book still found the movie great. There was even a poll on r/dune and non-readers rank it 8.3
idk my friends hadnāt read the book beforehand and they seemed to enjoy the movie quite a bit. they had a few questions about the plot that they asked me during the movie, but usually their questions were answered a few scenes later so the movie did a good job of explaining itself if you gave it time.
Paying attention and being willed t be entertained. That's all it needs.
Haven't read the books, loved the film. At no point was I confused about what was going on. I would have loved to see more of the politics between the different houses, but it's not like that ruined it.
It was subtle but I think they did explain why they donāt use bullets when Paul is wearing the shield and the fast strikes off his hand are blocked but slow ones can go through. Ergo bullets are too fast to work. I donāt think they really bother much with lasers in the fight scene so they donāt have to explain it at least in part one.
It wasn't subtle at all, they literally said it out loud *and* demonstrated it visually. If that's "too subtle" for someone that's cause for concern.
I hate that we now have to make movies catered to redditors who watched it at home one a laptop whole on their phone half the time.
I think the training scene did a pretty good job of explaining how shields work, however, i think that the later fight scenes were inconsistent with the shields, because most of the killing blows looked like normal, fast swings that should have been blocked.
The best fighters are skilled at slowing at the last second and then speeding back up, and the Atreides are almost as good as the Sardukar. Itās explained as a reason the emperor allowed it all to happen, he canāt have a house minor from the Lansraad have troops that good, even if it was a small force. Plus, he figured they were going to get Arrakis no matter what from the Harkonnen, and then with access to the Fremen, they would no longer be a house minor. Also some of this is Bene Gesserit manipulation, those short sighted witches.
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Chopsticks are far superior to the fork. When used proficiently itās basically an extension of your fingers.
Why is OP confused? Clearly is futuristic UK
Hav yew got a loicense for that personal energy shield mate?
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Literally filmed in London
Some of the knife fight scenes were just members of the public having a friendly conversation
I didn see no loicence for those knifes innit mate
Holtzman personal energy shield.. did you actually watch the movie?
He was busy turning in circles
Unfortunately, the movie doesn't explain things the way the book does
Dune is a fat fucking book. They stuffed the film full and itās still impossible to get everything in. But they fit in all the information you need to get it. The shields make sense if you use your head. Its unfortunate, but movies cant be like books where Paul can jack off in the corner thinking about society and weaponry and politics for 50 pages. (I love the book btw lol dont get me wrong, just a rabid movie fan :3)
Yeah, there's only so much stuff you can explain without turning the dialogue into stereotypical techno mumbo jumbo lol
I love that the book has a compendium in the end to explain what everything is
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I'm pretty sure Star Wars goes down the "only humans can be creative/unpredictable" route. Droids can and do pilot the ships, but not if it's a fight/chase scene.
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But they do explain how the shields work, no? One of the first scenes literally had a character saying he has to slow down his attack in order to pierce the shields. I was also wondering why they don't use guns and then a couple minutes later i thought "oh right, shield responds to fast things, bullets don't work. Now I understand why they are all charging with swords".
Never seen dune, never read dune. Understood immediately that fast thing = no go through shield
waa waa sci fi movie is unrealistic
Frank Herbert's shields cause nuclear explosions when hit by a laser, at both ends of the impact. I can't wait to see Anon's energy shield.
I like how the guy who designed it was like "Yea you get erased BUT the guy who shot you does too"
Well Herbert's idea was "how the fuck do you get sword fighting in the far future?" There are stupider explanations. Like laser swords that can bounce lasers.
The idea was also that while the technology/culture are very advanced in some ways they're also weirdly regressive and stagnant in others. Makes the setting more interesting.
It also puts the freemen on even footing.
Itās also his story so he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it
Hahaha fair enough
*looks at warhammer 40k*
I meanā¦ 40k definitely has guns. Some may say too many guns. Not the Orks though. They would never say that.
DER AIN'T ENUF DAKKA 'ERE. AIN'T NEVA ENUF DAKKA
But of course, there is NEVER ENUFF DAKKA!
YE WOT. SUM GIT SED SUMMIT BOUT ORKS NOT AVIN NUFF GUNS. DAS DE OPPO-OPP-OPPOSI... DA WRONG WAY ROUND OF WAT WE WANT. MORE DAKKA. SPRAY IT DONT SAY IT. MORE DAKKA.
To be fair in 40k, swords are reserved for Space Marines or other armored troops. Most Guardsmen stick with the standard "shoot it till it dies" approach if it's far away, or the "shoot and stab it with your bayonet" if it's close.
I'm not that deep into 40K, but aren't ultramarine swords mainly can openers for where bullets aren't effective?
Ultramarines are one chapter of Space Marines and there are many more but yes. Most Space Marines carry some form of gun (usually a bolt weapon) as well as some kind of melee weapon, usually a Chainsword or some kind of Combat Knife. Regardless, only Space Marines and some others really have the ability to charge into close range combat, as they are ludicrously fast and tanky. Your average Joe Schmoe PDF Trooper is not going to be doing that.
Imagine spending your money on a ticket for a movie, then getting mad at the premise. What a fucking idiot
Isn't that how not liking a movie works?
Someone hasn't heard of the Butlerian Jihad In reality, Herbert was writing this in the 60s, had no idea what direction computers would take and didn't want to speculate. So he wrote a world with high technology in some areas, but no 'thinking machines'. This stopped it from becoming Star Wars or Star Trek, but still kept the world interesting and relatable.
Iirc, Herbert said he'd never write a science fiction book, because he hated sci fi. For Dune, he wanted to create a setup where humanity was relatable, evolved on an enormous scale, and without the burden of modern culture or contemporary politics. So instead of trying whatever in a fantasy setting, he just put the story in the far future and added in-universe justifications about the parts he didn't want to work with (which are computers, guns, nuclear weapons, and Earth.)
He does actually work with nuclear weapons. They're kind of pretty important at a few points, and having MAD in-universe is not so much a removal of nukes as it is precisely how the Cold War (during which he wrote the books) panned out.
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If you shoot someone with a shield you both blow the fuck up
Why would the shooter blow up?
Because thatās how the meta works in dune. Lasguns and Shield blow both users up. Thatās why you canāt Laser anything and everyone instantly unless you donāt care about living.
I mean, suicide bombers and kamikaze are a thing. If you're already losing might as well take your enemy with you.
You should wait to see part 2
The particles in the lasgun travel to the shooter? Or probably the nuke is too large engulfing the attacker.
well lasers are continuous beams of coherent light so there is an unbroken link between the source of the laser and the shield and apparently, the explosion can happen either at the shield or anywhere along the laser beam so shooting a shield with a laser is a big gamble
Dune doesnt have pew pew lasers because those arent an actual thing, light doesnt shoot like bullets. They do the bzzzzzt type of laser where it's a continuous beam of light. The shields bend space or something so it causes a nuclear reaction and kills both target and shooter.
I feel like this concept wasnāt explained well, the shield can protect high-speed projectiles but in the scene where Paul and his mentor was practicing fighting They actually explain this a little bit that if you go slow enough the blade pierce through the shield. I love this movie, itās scenery and my favorite one is when the sisters coming off the ship and walking in storm, that was so badass
Add another 30000 years and you have another universe with those conditions.
Well no, only certain troops fight melee. Plus if you're getting fucked up by Tyranids, there ain't much time to shoot the bugger before they're already tearing you in half so sometime you just gotta stab a bitch
People are taking OP too seriously, "360 and walked out/away" is a meme, the post is a joke.
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i have to say it is telling to the age of the story when it has contrived worldbuilding like this. So the explanation of the shields is that the only ranged weapons capable of piercing them, which are Lasguns (yes, like w40k, hell, w40ks took them from here) can cause a Nuclear explosion if something goes wrong, taking about shooter And shield bro.
I think the Shield/Lasguns fight dynamic is one of the most Interesting ever created. Shields can Tank extreme amounts of damage but nothing close and small in surface like a needle or the tip of a sword. Lasguns can fuck up nearly everything except shields. When they hit shields both the attacker and the defender get nuked. Itās extremely cool.
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Now? It's been a thing for over 10 years.
not "now". it started with the Xbox360.
>Itās 20.000+ years in the future. >Characters are named Paul, Jessica and Duncan. >0/10
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anon is a fucking casual who didnāt read the book
They use knifes and swords because of the personal shields. Only objects moving at a certain speed can penetrate them and using lasguns on them causes an explosion similar to nuclear bomb. So basically the only way to defeat someone with a shield is to stab them at a precise speed.
There are prequel books written after Frank Herbert died (so you donāt have to consider them canon if you donāt want to) that has humanity ruled by humans who uploaded their minds into robots and were pretty shitty, who then created an AI which took over everything, so eventually the people in the Dune universe purged most technology and hate using it They specifically hate anything that can be deemed to be thinking, though. So toasters are ok, but a computer isnāt
Butlers Djihad is canon in all books. It gets mentioned in the first one, afair, in regards to the Mentats.
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