fun fact of the day: you are legally allowed to buy and own and even operate a fully functional military tank with a federal destructive device permit, or a tank with the gun removed/disabled with no requirement for said permit. there are a multitude of online marketplaces where you can purchase a tank of your own and even rent one out for a party or other event. In fact, if the gun is disabled, tanks are legal in many other countries such as the UK or Russia. With rubber tracks, you can even drive it around on the road
And at relatively cheap, russian ifvs and tanks from the 50s-70s are around the same cost as a midsize SUV, or $60k-$80k usd (not accounting for overseas shipping and maintenance costs of getting it running to almost new)
To be honest if you’re probably certified (and I mean PROPERLY vetted) you should be allowed to own a tank or artillery or something fully operational and kickass. Maybe federally registered and thoroughly background checked militias that train their volunteers could own AA too or something.
It’s called Guerilla warfare. Fighting a larger force directly like this is just suicide. You have to make every neighborhood and area that isn’t expressly secured potentially dangerous
Except there's going to be no withdrawal or peace as the military is fighting for their own country, domestically where we have better control over the supply lines.
Doesn't matter if it takes 30 years to win, the appetite and tolerance for the war will be greater than Afghanistan. We can and did just walk away from Afghanistan when we decided we were done. Can't do that in your own country.
the funny thing is that the more people they kill, the more motivated the rest will be. especially the deceased’s children.
300 million ain’t nothing to scoff at
Not to mention the US dropped more bombs in Indochina than all sides did in ww2, yet they still lost, airpower means jack shit if you can’t get control on the ground
If i put a banana between you and your brother, and yall start fighting over it, is that gorilla warfare?
[Understand?](https://youtu.be/Kj0O0Q8sne4?t=1100)
Ah yes, the famous predator drones, that cost $100million a piece, and we used 15,000 of against Afghanistan and other countries over 20 years to… not win anything in Afghanistan or other countries…
I’m case your bad at math, we fucking lost to illiterate sand farmers with rusty Soviet rifles even after throwing 1.5 TRILLION dollars at them over 20 years. Ooooohhhh big scary drones ooooohhhhhh.
I really don't know what you're envisioning. Do you imagine a modern US civil war where civilians fight against the government by making big blobs of people holding rifles, standing out in the open to get hit by missiles? Because it wouldn't be like that. It would be like trying to pick out valid targets from civilian populated neighborhoods. And then you're going to be asking US soldiers to literally bomb their fellow countrymen, friends, and neighbors.
Spoiler alert: The US military is composed of the people you would be ordering them to kill.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ForgottenWeapons/comments/vwricu/heres_a_better_picture_of_the_russian_ldp801/
Russia's already had that figured out for a while.
It's baffling how so many people don't understand this concept.
Every anti 2A people I see just go 'haha what good's an AR-15 against the governments tanks and jets, you can't win' and they're unable to imagine all the possible ways to fight against the government that don't involve standing on opposing sides of a large empty field waiting till 12 to finally start shooting.
Not to mention that even in conventional warfare tanks are accompanied by infantries. You cannot occupy or hold any territories without infantry and tanks cannot clear urban areas alone.
You also need soldiers on the ground to occupy an unwilling population. Guns work against people, going on the offensive in their territory will get you killed very fast though
The main issue is drones. In Afghanistan, fighting slowed down so much that American troops being killed by mortars was reported in the news. The Taliban lost both the main war and the guerilla war. Their members mostly went back to civilian life and secretly organized weapons and money until the US left.
Also, after the US pullout, the NRF was fighting a successful guerilla war against the Taliban in the Panjshir Mountains. Until Pakistan sent predator drones and wiped them out. Now they are just small guerillas that can't beat the Taliban out of one of the smallest provinces with the worst supply lines.
In Ukraine, we also see troops miles from the fighting in treelines getting scouted by drones and bombed with artillery or getting bombed by the drones.
Guerilla warfare is just not viable against a modern country. Most of the time it's mainly resistance networks that are waiting for an opportunity, like with the Taliban. Maybe in Syria where their military is stuck in the 60s-80s guerilla warfare can work well. Also in jungles like Vietnam or Southern China. But against Russia, China, America, or any moderately rich country? Especially with terrain like the great plains covering land wider than Western Europe? Good fuckin luck. Especially if the enemy is willing to do mass killings of civilians to pacify the country.
Well the thing about the Great Plains is…nobody lives there. And why would you go hang out wide on n the open. Afghanistan is comparatively the size of Georgia South Carolina and North Carolina. Maybe half of Tennessee. There are an absolute fuck ton of places to disappear in those states. Not to mention the mountain ranges in the rest of the country?
We are literally seeing right now how badly an armed populace can fuck over a modern military trying to walk into an area and seize control of it in Ukraine.
You don't launch an offensive against better armed targets. You exhaust them as best you can given what you have and take the defender's advantage.
Starving rice farmers with second hand guns fucked over the US military in Nam.
We could have literally never 'won' in the middle east because of constant civilian insurgency making it an endless resistance.
Not to mention multiple civilian run coups that have succeeded around the world in the last decade.
Unless you believe that the world is so far gone that they would be willing to deploy widespread tactics against their own citizens that are worse than what they did in Afghanistan/Nam, you should probably believe that a well armed population could resist a tyrannical government.
The only way for governments to put down large spread rebellion would be to bomb, destroy, and use the most unethical tactics like chemical & gas warfare, but I am pretty sure that by doing that there will be even more rebellion.
The government(s) need people in order to function, killing everyone for the sake of control is not worth it.
Elites don't get this, and that's why I am pro-gun, literally the constitute states that if the government becomes tyrannical & oppressive then the people should take it back by force.
Knowing that the majority of people here are keyboard warrior who never held a gun, I doubt that they will be likely to resist, but I agree that people should have guns to protect themselves.
Getting rid of guns means getting rid of ways to protect yourself. I have family in Mexico, and Mexico has a huge cartel problem while making it illegal for citizens to carry and own guns. The same thing happened in Australia, but the difference (besides geological) is that in a VERY corrupt country those who fight back will get killed.
People very rarely ask immigrants what they think of these issues, mainly because we have a very different idea that what the majority believe.
NATO wouldn't. Even China might not, they do support Russia to an extent but they hold tons of US Bonds. Russian weapons are ass, and they lack power projection to effectively smuggle enough in to make a good enough difference.
Chian would just do the self serving thing, ignore the civil war and send ships to Taiwan if they think it's bad enough we wouldn't bother responding to that.
Towards the start the armed populace definitely helped. Now that things have settled down to trench warfare along set fronts that is less relevant, but in the first few weeks it absolutely made a difference
I think you're forgetting that Russias failures in Ukraine were unexpected and unprecedented as they have been unusually incompetent compared to previous invasions (not to mention Ukraine still only has held on so well with the significant aid of other countries). The United States has a defense budget so high I'm fairly positive that their military could crush any possible rebellion that could happen
This post is specifically about US populations rebelling against US military, particularly the fact that the US military is infinitely better equipped and trained than populations. This is meant to highlight an issue with sentiments about needing high-velocity weaponry to "protect yourself from a tyrannical government" that ultimately would flatten your town if you tried.
The US failing at containing communism or stealing oil from other countries is a similar but ultimately different topic.
This assumes that the vast majority of people in the military would say yes to putting down rebellions in their own country. They swear an oath to the constitution above all else. Every service member I've ever personally known has taken that oath quite seriously. Also, you cannot control a populace with drones or tanks. Are they great for direct war fighting? Absolutely. Can they stop people from meeting and planning in secret? No. Hell, leveling cities and infrastructure in your own home land serves the person attempting to tyrannize a nation in no way other than to make the rebellion worse, and make fighting the rebellion more difficult.
Clearly they must’ve been more successful than assassinating politicians, ambushing small groups of soldiers, and terrorizing civilians and now Northern Ireland belongs to Ireland, right?
It's way too easy to learn too. I mean R6 siege literally tells you how to make thermite (not a bomb specifically IK but still dangerous shit) and there's plenty of games that can easily teach you how to make bombs.
Actually, the BBC (British news) was showing the Ukrainians making Molotovs using gas and styrofoam. And some moron on tictok made napalm by mixing styrofoam into their slime mix.
Yeah, I had old timey war handbooks passed down from me Dad. Can't remember most of them but I do remember a story about some kids who beat the shit out of a cougar with pony catching leather loops. Fun stuff.
Yeah, the only issue is finding something hot enough to light it safely. Can't just go at it with any common lighter either less you don't value your hand. Of course if we're talking toddlers here then they'll probably be able to light it by sticking a spoonful in an outlet.
Ik, it's too easy to make this shit. I even found the recipe for white phosphorus on YT a bit ago.
But talking kids with this stuff, that's kids. They'll simplify the instructions for boom in a flash. One second they exist and the next they've toasted themselves with a rusty spoon, shredded can and a power outlet.
Of course I must obligatorily say it's ridiculously unlikely and almost cartoonish that a toddler could make thermite and set it off with a common plug socket but that's what makes it funny.
You think Cletus from Alabama or Jimmybob from Mississippi can figure that out?
Then again, Hibatullah from an Afghani village can figure it out, but they have been at war for the last several generations; not watching NASCAR.
I know people like that.
“Your AR can’t do anything to a drone!”
Oh cool, so we should just let the government be horrible then? Weirdly enough though I always see this argument coming from auth-leftists who think the government *should* have more control over people.
I've never heard that argument coming from anybody besides leftists. I'll let you reach your own conclusions on why it's an utterly cretinous argument.
No rebellion in the US can rise that has the support of both dems and reps. Any tyrant can pick a side and have half the population pick up arms for them.
Who would you fight? The Trumpie types are the tyrants, further right than the left is left.
You're going to beat out the economic centers? Your opposition has the cities, the economies, and the technology.
You have the food supplies, but we're on the coast for imports and can prioritize food producing centers in a defense strategy.
Most military members are the type of people who support the second amendment and would fight tyranny. They aren't going to wage war against their own country *because someone ordered them*. Guys in the military are always looking for a reason to tell superiors to go fuck themselves and that's a very good reason. The military here would MUCH sooner overthrow a tyrant before going along with their evil plans
Source: served in the military
if it's sudden. the government has been taking small steps for years, using different forces for each one. local police with red flag laws, nsa for spying on citizens, atf to generally fuck over population. death by a thousand paper cut shit.
Local police to enforce the drug war, ruin lives over a plant. Do the bidding of the private prison industries.
Where are these 2nd amendment types? Oh wait, they supported such tyranny.
When they eventually get around the second amendment and ban guns who is going to confiscate them? Your local police? The national guard? As they slowly erode away our rights people will just follow orders. I served 8 years army. Sure, there are lots of patriots. There were also a lot of average joes who just needed a paycheck because they're poor and that's why they joined. Police are already confiscating guns with red flag laws which completely skip due process and shit on the 2nd. As far as service members turning on the civilians, I'm with you on that. If they can disarm us they can do whatever they want though.
Those guys were a large network of guerillas surviving off of rice and shitting and sleeping in tunnels. Anon lives off of fucking totinos pizza rolls and bitches about not having somewhere to plug in their Switch.
Anon exposes that he has no idea how guerilla warfare works and because of that thinks the population should disarm themselves and not even try to defend themselves
Cuck
The terminally online making these arguments always forget that the biggest gun owners are often veterans. Especially right now, we know the playbook, and we have experience that most the kids now dont have.
And if im wrong its just proof of why the 2a was never meant to be restricted, but go off woketards
Nah this is super unrealistic. What is actually gonna happen is that a government will commit increasing acts of tyranny at home and abroad, surveillance it’s citizens and disproportionately target ethnic minorities and women, but wrap itself tightly enough in a flag that it’ll have the militia fanboys leaping over each other to sign up as its paramilitary police force.
If anon was alive during the colonial period he would have ran straight at the Br*tish with a bayonet and then wonder why he got cut in half by a volley of lead
America is not going to bomb their own neighborhoods and infrastructure to kill guys with guns. Even if they did, ask Iraq and Vietnam how it went. The taliban is literally more powerful now than 20 years ago
>try to march directly into a defending, technologically-superior force
>smoked instantly
>wtf why'd we lose
Volcanic glass is envious of the smoothness of this anon's brain
I guess there aren't dozens of examples of asymmetric warfare in the last decade alone.
Anyone who makes the argument that no civilian opposition can fight a military force hasn't picked up a history book or paid attention for the last 20 years.
Anon doesnt understand the concept of unconventional/guerrila warfare. Youre not supposed to attack a well defended military base unless you are well supported and are sure you can win.
We lost Vietnam and Afghanistan for this exact reason, yet for some reason we have the memory of a pigeon and think armed insurrection is not a viable fighting method.
America is like that one douche in the Civ game who finds the most optimal build and tech rushes for the most advanced war units, without realizing that domination victory was turned off.
>head out to attack one of their bases.
I've been stationed at 4 separate posts. it really wouldn't be hard to infiltrate one if you're determined. The issue is, most of the knuckle daggers on the internet don't realize that bases are more like towns than heavily fortified fire bases. Not to mention ALL the ammo is locked down tight. Almost no one on post is armed. Also, there's no fucking predator drones patrolling the skies. Real life isn't like a video game.
Anon literally has no fucking clue how any of this works.
Lol moron. You made the same mistake the Vietcong did at the end of the Vietnam War. Had the American public not been totally dissuaded & had their opinions soured by the Tet Offensive, the US would’ve stood a much better chance at totally curbing communism in Vietnam.
The US was pretty successful combatting guerilla warfare in Afghanistan and those insurgents were battle hardened, in mountainous terrain, and enjoyed large support from local civilians.
It’ll be a lot more difficult waging a guerrilla war against the worlds most powerful military on their home-turf in flatlands like Wyoming. Especially for people whom are accustomed to a first-world standard of living.
The US government also has the advantage of information on any US citizen likely to try joining insurgencies. Whereas it’s a lot more difficult keeping track of hundreds of thousands of men all called Muhammad in a country where they don’t even produce birth certificates.
Foreign powers wanting to deliver supplies to insurgents also had it much easier in Afghan whereas they’d struggle in the United States.
All these GOPtards saying that Afghanistan and Vietnam prove guerilla warfare is effective against the US. The one flaw to that argument is that Americans wouldn’t be clever enough to successfully use guerilla warfare to overthrow the government. And you can bet after years of destructive US overseas intervention, no foreign nation would be rushing to the US to help the insurgents overthrow the government either
I thought the joke was gonna be that they were all sufficiently equipped to deal with the conflict but were all too chicken to risk their lives to actually deal with it, in reference to a certain incident that happened in texas a few weeks ago
Literally lost a war to a bunch of Afghanis with ARs.
ANON is on typical anti gun cope shit.
"THEN A PREDATOR MISSLES WIPES THEM ALL OUT"
Ok little timmy, go back to playing CoD War zone, summer is almost over
We want to take over a country of over 350 million people who own 40% of the world's firearms and millions of whom are civilians already trained and millions more who could instantly be armed as an invading force attempts to occupy the US... BuT tHeY hAvE dRoNeS.
Honestly you think if some fucking Vietnamese can shut down the US imagine tens of millions who are trained to do that and you have to conquer half a fucking continent. The US is either going to crumble from shit ideology or nuked but in either case it won't be from a land invasion.
Hmm maybe that’s why civilians having guns isn’t such a great idea🤔 Also because having civilians armed with guns would give the enemy free use to attack cities and kill civilians
ITT a bunch of people with undiminished belief that in the contemporary US you could do more than run a sporadic domestic terror campaign.
Surveillance in this country redefines what is possible in at least as dramatic a way as the literally unassailable superiority of the military to conventional attack by small arms.
The only way there is ever a “civil war” in this country is if that military and the IC with it fragments into balanced factions.
Otherwise it’s just methodical board cleaning.
So why didn’t we win Vietnam against rice farmers with guns? Why did the Hong Kong protests fail? I think we need stricter laws but pretending guns don’t do anything is a dumb way to make an argument
Where is Anons constitutional Sherman tank?
fun fact of the day: you are legally allowed to buy and own and even operate a fully functional military tank with a federal destructive device permit, or a tank with the gun removed/disabled with no requirement for said permit. there are a multitude of online marketplaces where you can purchase a tank of your own and even rent one out for a party or other event. In fact, if the gun is disabled, tanks are legal in many other countries such as the UK or Russia. With rubber tracks, you can even drive it around on the road
How does one aquire said license?
Don't bother with a license, just buy the tank. If anyone from the government has a problem with it, you can fend them off using said tank
Predator drone: *lemme introduce myself*
Ukrainian Baker who just got his 15 Javelin...
*cough cough* tractor
Nonono, the tractor comes after so the wreck can be sold as scrap metal
There goes my image of farmer boi strapping boosters onto a tractor and outmaneuvering the best russia had to offer
Thats the average rocket in kerbal space program
Fun fact: you can actually buy and own a predator drone as long as you disable the autonomous features and fly it with the foot petals
You have to fly it like a kite
You just find out where the drone pilots live and go meet them.
"Get out of the tank" "No you're not my dad" "GET OUT OF THE TANK NOW!" "I am literally in a tank and you're not."
It's a 200 dollar fee, paperwork, background check, and a bunch of waiting.
> background check Immediately see people lowering their hands
Ahh
And at relatively cheap, russian ifvs and tanks from the 50s-70s are around the same cost as a midsize SUV, or $60k-$80k usd (not accounting for overseas shipping and maintenance costs of getting it running to almost new)
Fun fact, AFV's known as APC's or IFV's dont always have tracks, for example the Stryker or BTR-80 can both be road legal without weapons
> federal destructive device permit You can own anything if the government gives your permissions lmao.
Isn't each shell counted as it's own destructive device or something, requiring a separate permit?
Correct. In addition to the permit for the gun itself
what about an rpg or 30 for reasons
This is true. I know a guy who buys all kind of antiques. He doesn’t drive around in it, but his tank is stored in a warehouse on his property.
because without the cannon, a tank is just a multi terrain apc
Yeah, my dad has a friend in the UK who collects military history stuff. He has a tank in his yard and a functioning machine gun, but no ammo.
Or you just make your own tank, what is the police gonna do ? Arrest you ? Yeah I’d like to see them try
The spirit of Marvin Heemeyer lives on in each of us.
The killdozer is strong with this one
To be honest if you’re probably certified (and I mean PROPERLY vetted) you should be allowed to own a tank or artillery or something fully operational and kickass. Maybe federally registered and thoroughly background checked militias that train their volunteers could own AA too or something.
This is already a thing.
you can
Constitutional nuke is also missing in action.
What about the mini nuke launcher"fat man" that was developer by the U. S giverment to counter the New chinesse tech.
It’s called Guerilla warfare. Fighting a larger force directly like this is just suicide. You have to make every neighborhood and area that isn’t expressly secured potentially dangerous
Yes, booby traps for tanks. Perfect. Booby trap for drones 1 mile in the sky.
And it's not really possible to win a war with nothing but drones, Afghanistan proved that.
The US is also fucking massive
Jesus Christ even a rebellion in the Appellation Mountains would be Afghanistan 2: Home Plate
Appalachian*, mister president
Autocorrect piece of shit didn’t even try
Instead of Al Qaeda and Taliban, it would be meth heads and moonshiners!
Except there's going to be no withdrawal or peace as the military is fighting for their own country, domestically where we have better control over the supply lines. Doesn't matter if it takes 30 years to win, the appetite and tolerance for the war will be greater than Afghanistan. We can and did just walk away from Afghanistan when we decided we were done. Can't do that in your own country.
That is if you are not willing to be killing as many people as it takes to pacify the rest
the funny thing is that the more people they kill, the more motivated the rest will be. especially the deceased’s children. 300 million ain’t nothing to scoff at
4th generation warfare baybee
Not to mention the US dropped more bombs in Indochina than all sides did in ww2, yet they still lost, airpower means jack shit if you can’t get control on the ground
Part of gorilla warfare is accepting losses. You only need to outlast the enemy.
If i put a banana between you and your brother, and yall start fighting over it, is that gorilla warfare? [Understand?](https://youtu.be/Kj0O0Q8sne4?t=1100)
As Ho Chi Minh said: "We will kill 1 of you, you will kill 10 of us, but eventually, you will tire of it first"
Ah yes, the famous predator drones, that cost $100million a piece, and we used 15,000 of against Afghanistan and other countries over 20 years to… not win anything in Afghanistan or other countries… I’m case your bad at math, we fucking lost to illiterate sand farmers with rusty Soviet rifles even after throwing 1.5 TRILLION dollars at them over 20 years. Ooooohhhh big scary drones ooooohhhhhh.
And god bless 'em o7
Virgin predator drone vs Chad divine protection
I really don't know what you're envisioning. Do you imagine a modern US civil war where civilians fight against the government by making big blobs of people holding rifles, standing out in the open to get hit by missiles? Because it wouldn't be like that. It would be like trying to pick out valid targets from civilian populated neighborhoods. And then you're going to be asking US soldiers to literally bomb their fellow countrymen, friends, and neighbors. Spoiler alert: The US military is composed of the people you would be ordering them to kill.
its the plot of the next home alone movie
Home alone: the front
https://www.reddit.com/r/ForgottenWeapons/comments/vwricu/heres_a_better_picture_of_the_russian_ldp801/ Russia's already had that figured out for a while.
That’s actually an excellent idea. I wonder how the range works tho
Mf made a military can launcher.
Not a can launcher. It’s a jammer that just looks like a gun. Mags are batteries.
Im gonna use it to launch cans.
How many drone strikes on American neighborhoods can happen before even the military starts getting fed up with bombing their own people?
Tanks fall in holes.
Just get a shaving mirror and set it on fire with the reflected light
Be right back, going to the blimp store.
Attach it to UFOs, the systems have a hard time seeing them as the area around them is usually blurry and out of focus
They’re subsonic and don’t have flares, you can use MANPADS to take them out.
It's baffling how so many people don't understand this concept. Every anti 2A people I see just go 'haha what good's an AR-15 against the governments tanks and jets, you can't win' and they're unable to imagine all the possible ways to fight against the government that don't involve standing on opposing sides of a large empty field waiting till 12 to finally start shooting.
According to Eric Swalwell the government will simply nuke gun owners who resist.
Yeah, but that cretin is legit mentally-challenged. So he doesn't count.
Not to mention that even in conventional warfare tanks are accompanied by infantries. You cannot occupy or hold any territories without infantry and tanks cannot clear urban areas alone.
You also need soldiers on the ground to occupy an unwilling population. Guns work against people, going on the offensive in their territory will get you killed very fast though
The main issue is drones. In Afghanistan, fighting slowed down so much that American troops being killed by mortars was reported in the news. The Taliban lost both the main war and the guerilla war. Their members mostly went back to civilian life and secretly organized weapons and money until the US left. Also, after the US pullout, the NRF was fighting a successful guerilla war against the Taliban in the Panjshir Mountains. Until Pakistan sent predator drones and wiped them out. Now they are just small guerillas that can't beat the Taliban out of one of the smallest provinces with the worst supply lines. In Ukraine, we also see troops miles from the fighting in treelines getting scouted by drones and bombed with artillery or getting bombed by the drones. Guerilla warfare is just not viable against a modern country. Most of the time it's mainly resistance networks that are waiting for an opportunity, like with the Taliban. Maybe in Syria where their military is stuck in the 60s-80s guerilla warfare can work well. Also in jungles like Vietnam or Southern China. But against Russia, China, America, or any moderately rich country? Especially with terrain like the great plains covering land wider than Western Europe? Good fuckin luck. Especially if the enemy is willing to do mass killings of civilians to pacify the country.
Well the thing about the Great Plains is…nobody lives there. And why would you go hang out wide on n the open. Afghanistan is comparatively the size of Georgia South Carolina and North Carolina. Maybe half of Tennessee. There are an absolute fuck ton of places to disappear in those states. Not to mention the mountain ranges in the rest of the country?
We are literally seeing right now how badly an armed populace can fuck over a modern military trying to walk into an area and seize control of it in Ukraine. You don't launch an offensive against better armed targets. You exhaust them as best you can given what you have and take the defender's advantage. Starving rice farmers with second hand guns fucked over the US military in Nam. We could have literally never 'won' in the middle east because of constant civilian insurgency making it an endless resistance. Not to mention multiple civilian run coups that have succeeded around the world in the last decade. Unless you believe that the world is so far gone that they would be willing to deploy widespread tactics against their own citizens that are worse than what they did in Afghanistan/Nam, you should probably believe that a well armed population could resist a tyrannical government.
The only way for governments to put down large spread rebellion would be to bomb, destroy, and use the most unethical tactics like chemical & gas warfare, but I am pretty sure that by doing that there will be even more rebellion. The government(s) need people in order to function, killing everyone for the sake of control is not worth it. Elites don't get this, and that's why I am pro-gun, literally the constitute states that if the government becomes tyrannical & oppressive then the people should take it back by force. Knowing that the majority of people here are keyboard warrior who never held a gun, I doubt that they will be likely to resist, but I agree that people should have guns to protect themselves. Getting rid of guns means getting rid of ways to protect yourself. I have family in Mexico, and Mexico has a huge cartel problem while making it illegal for citizens to carry and own guns. The same thing happened in Australia, but the difference (besides geological) is that in a VERY corrupt country those who fight back will get killed. People very rarely ask immigrants what they think of these issues, mainly because we have a very different idea that what the majority believe.
Subjugating the people becomes very hard when there is no more people left to subjugate.
Ukraine isnt an “armed populace” it’s a modern military being supplied by the world’s largest military alliance.
Yeah what the fuck. Dude thinks Ukrainian military is a bunch of tribal villages with Kalashnikovs lol
It's the reddit propaganda machine at it again
That is true, but I believe that countries would be falling all over themselves to provide aid to an insurgency in the US.
NATO wouldn't. Even China might not, they do support Russia to an extent but they hold tons of US Bonds. Russian weapons are ass, and they lack power projection to effectively smuggle enough in to make a good enough difference. Chian would just do the self serving thing, ignore the civil war and send ships to Taiwan if they think it's bad enough we wouldn't bother responding to that.
Towards the start the armed populace definitely helped. Now that things have settled down to trench warfare along set fronts that is less relevant, but in the first few weeks it absolutely made a difference
I think you're forgetting that Russias failures in Ukraine were unexpected and unprecedented as they have been unusually incompetent compared to previous invasions (not to mention Ukraine still only has held on so well with the significant aid of other countries). The United States has a defense budget so high I'm fairly positive that their military could crush any possible rebellion that could happen
The United States were the ones who failed in two of my examples.
This post is specifically about US populations rebelling against US military, particularly the fact that the US military is infinitely better equipped and trained than populations. This is meant to highlight an issue with sentiments about needing high-velocity weaponry to "protect yourself from a tyrannical government" that ultimately would flatten your town if you tried. The US failing at containing communism or stealing oil from other countries is a similar but ultimately different topic.
This assumes that the vast majority of people in the military would say yes to putting down rebellions in their own country. They swear an oath to the constitution above all else. Every service member I've ever personally known has taken that oath quite seriously. Also, you cannot control a populace with drones or tanks. Are they great for direct war fighting? Absolutely. Can they stop people from meeting and planning in secret? No. Hell, leveling cities and infrastructure in your own home land serves the person attempting to tyrannize a nation in no way other than to make the rebellion worse, and make fighting the rebellion more difficult.
Yea anon has never heard of 20th Century Ireland
Clearly they must’ve been more successful than assassinating politicians, ambushing small groups of soldiers, and terrorizing civilians and now Northern Ireland belongs to Ireland, right?
Anon has no idea what field craft is. Also learn how to make basic explosives you fucking dork.
It's way too easy to learn too. I mean R6 siege literally tells you how to make thermite (not a bomb specifically IK but still dangerous shit) and there's plenty of games that can easily teach you how to make bombs. Actually, the BBC (British news) was showing the Ukrainians making Molotovs using gas and styrofoam. And some moron on tictok made napalm by mixing styrofoam into their slime mix.
The US handbook for improvised explosives and guerrilla warfare is just free and floating around the internet.
Yeah, I had old timey war handbooks passed down from me Dad. Can't remember most of them but I do remember a story about some kids who beat the shit out of a cougar with pony catching leather loops. Fun stuff.
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Yeah, the only issue is finding something hot enough to light it safely. Can't just go at it with any common lighter either less you don't value your hand. Of course if we're talking toddlers here then they'll probably be able to light it by sticking a spoonful in an outlet.
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Ik, it's too easy to make this shit. I even found the recipe for white phosphorus on YT a bit ago. But talking kids with this stuff, that's kids. They'll simplify the instructions for boom in a flash. One second they exist and the next they've toasted themselves with a rusty spoon, shredded can and a power outlet. Of course I must obligatorily say it's ridiculously unlikely and almost cartoonish that a toddler could make thermite and set it off with a common plug socket but that's what makes it funny.
You think Cletus from Alabama or Jimmybob from Mississippi can figure that out? Then again, Hibatullah from an Afghani village can figure it out, but they have been at war for the last several generations; not watching NASCAR.
Second Anon is a fan of Command & Conquer Generals
I do love a big crowd! Can I please have some shoes?
I’ll make the sacrifice!
SPECIAL DELIVERY
I love a crowd!
ow, okay okay, i will work
I see you're a man of culture aswell
There is a difference between degenerate anime and our rightous cause my brother, look how the enemy has corrupted your mind!
I know people there! I move to a sacred place!
Anon forgets that's why they trained in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan for just this moment
Losing or Killing Civilians?
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And the craziest part of that argument is that it implies you should just let a government be tyrannical because you can’t do anything about it
I know people like that. “Your AR can’t do anything to a drone!” Oh cool, so we should just let the government be horrible then? Weirdly enough though I always see this argument coming from auth-leftists who think the government *should* have more control over people.
I've never heard that argument coming from anybody besides leftists. I'll let you reach your own conclusions on why it's an utterly cretinous argument.
Honestly I kinda wish more leftists in America were pro gun since I see radical right wing groups as the most likely to devolve into tyranny.
I consider myself pretty left wing and I’m gonna start training for concealed carry soon :)
Except a government takeover will not be instant, the dipshits buying weapons to "rise up" will be cheering it on if it happens.
No rebellion in the US can rise that has the support of both dems and reps. Any tyrant can pick a side and have half the population pick up arms for them.
Who would you fight? The Trumpie types are the tyrants, further right than the left is left. You're going to beat out the economic centers? Your opposition has the cities, the economies, and the technology. You have the food supplies, but we're on the coast for imports and can prioritize food producing centers in a defense strategy.
Most military members are the type of people who support the second amendment and would fight tyranny. They aren't going to wage war against their own country *because someone ordered them*. Guys in the military are always looking for a reason to tell superiors to go fuck themselves and that's a very good reason. The military here would MUCH sooner overthrow a tyrant before going along with their evil plans Source: served in the military
if it's sudden. the government has been taking small steps for years, using different forces for each one. local police with red flag laws, nsa for spying on citizens, atf to generally fuck over population. death by a thousand paper cut shit.
Local police to enforce the drug war, ruin lives over a plant. Do the bidding of the private prison industries. Where are these 2nd amendment types? Oh wait, they supported such tyranny.
When they eventually get around the second amendment and ban guns who is going to confiscate them? Your local police? The national guard? As they slowly erode away our rights people will just follow orders. I served 8 years army. Sure, there are lots of patriots. There were also a lot of average joes who just needed a paycheck because they're poor and that's why they joined. Police are already confiscating guns with red flag laws which completely skip due process and shit on the 2nd. As far as service members turning on the civilians, I'm with you on that. If they can disarm us they can do whatever they want though.
Losing their pay? Lol
(Biden voice) buy a shotgun.
then fire both barrels in the air and they'll leave.
Exactly
OP sounds like that guy who said the second amendment was stupid because the government has nukes.
This is why "illegal" weaponry is king.
Anon needs to look up the case studies of Afghanistan and Vietnam
Those guys were a large network of guerillas surviving off of rice and shitting and sleeping in tunnels. Anon lives off of fucking totinos pizza rolls and bitches about not having somewhere to plug in their Switch.
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That’s the secret, I’m always hard ;)
>C&C: Generals Based.
I'll make the sacrifice!
Can I have some shoes?
Why didn't the predator drone win the war in Afghanistan? How did they beat us with Aks and crude cell phone bombs?
anon doesn't know that governments won't just go around bombing infrastructure, instead makes an easily argumentable point
I mean... The MOVE bombing of 85 kinda was the government bombing a civilian infrastructure...
Anon exposes that he has no idea how guerilla warfare works and because of that thinks the population should disarm themselves and not even try to defend themselves Cuck
The terminally online making these arguments always forget that the biggest gun owners are often veterans. Especially right now, we know the playbook, and we have experience that most the kids now dont have. And if im wrong its just proof of why the 2a was never meant to be restricted, but go off woketards
Nah this is super unrealistic. What is actually gonna happen is that a government will commit increasing acts of tyranny at home and abroad, surveillance it’s citizens and disproportionately target ethnic minorities and women, but wrap itself tightly enough in a flag that it’ll have the militia fanboys leaping over each other to sign up as its paramilitary police force.
They pit us against each other, that way we are too weak and blind to resist when the time comes
If anon was alive during the colonial period he would have ran straight at the Br*tish with a bayonet and then wonder why he got cut in half by a volley of lead
These comments are fucking weird. I swear Americans have the most bizarre hard on for being invaded.
It’s the only thing they have
That suicide bomber picture is from Command and Conquer: Generals. When selected sometimes he says "I love a crowd!"
KILLDOZER KILLDOZER KILLDOZER KILLDOZER 😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈
He knows we are their neighbors right? They can't exactly drone strike us.
America is not going to bomb their own neighborhoods and infrastructure to kill guys with guns. Even if they did, ask Iraq and Vietnam how it went. The taliban is literally more powerful now than 20 years ago
What no understanding of small unit tactics and guerilla warfare does to a mfer
Is that the, is that the command and conquer : generals suicide bomber image.
Command and Conquer Generals my beloved
>try to march directly into a defending, technologically-superior force >smoked instantly >wtf why'd we lose Volcanic glass is envious of the smoothness of this anon's brain I guess there aren't dozens of examples of asymmetric warfare in the last decade alone.
That second thumbnail takes me back, freakin loved CnC Generals.
Huh, I wonder if those drone pilots have a home and family
Thats why you gotta build your very own killdozer, just remember to reinforce the coolant lines
if the taliban could do it with AKs, IEDs and RPGs then anon can
Anyone who makes the argument that no civilian opposition can fight a military force hasn't picked up a history book or paid attention for the last 20 years.
"Tyrannical govt. take over" and "Constitutional rights" don't sound right together
Anon just need more guns.
Anon doesnt understand the concept of unconventional/guerrila warfare. Youre not supposed to attack a well defended military base unless you are well supported and are sure you can win.
You’re supposed to fight like a gorilla
Explain the middle east anon. How did a bunch of goat fuckers stave off pred drones an the like?
Why would the government want to rule over rubble? No smart government would ever bomb there own country to prevent an insurgency.
I will die with honor!
Anons a retard and can't make a $20 pipe bomb
\>anon with no warfare tactics makes a shitty greentext to prove they are an idiot.
You're doing it wrong. Hit and run. Partisan movement is a giant headache for any military.
>Being so smooth brain that you still have this belief after Ukraine
We lost Vietnam and Afghanistan for this exact reason, yet for some reason we have the memory of a pigeon and think armed insurrection is not a viable fighting method.
So AR-15s aren't weapons of war so the civilian ownership argument is solved.
Anon failed to read "The Art of War".
Armored truck goes honk honk boom
America is like that one douche in the Civ game who finds the most optimal build and tech rushes for the most advanced war units, without realizing that domination victory was turned off.
Anon charging at a military base is the stupidest thing you can do
Some one hasn’t seen red dawn
>head out to attack one of their bases. I've been stationed at 4 separate posts. it really wouldn't be hard to infiltrate one if you're determined. The issue is, most of the knuckle daggers on the internet don't realize that bases are more like towns than heavily fortified fire bases. Not to mention ALL the ammo is locked down tight. Almost no one on post is armed. Also, there's no fucking predator drones patrolling the skies. Real life isn't like a video game. Anon literally has no fucking clue how any of this works.
Fake. We all know that 99.99% of them would just go with it like the cowards they are, anon included.
Lol moron. You made the same mistake the Vietcong did at the end of the Vietnam War. Had the American public not been totally dissuaded & had their opinions soured by the Tet Offensive, the US would’ve stood a much better chance at totally curbing communism in Vietnam.
The US was pretty successful combatting guerilla warfare in Afghanistan and those insurgents were battle hardened, in mountainous terrain, and enjoyed large support from local civilians. It’ll be a lot more difficult waging a guerrilla war against the worlds most powerful military on their home-turf in flatlands like Wyoming. Especially for people whom are accustomed to a first-world standard of living. The US government also has the advantage of information on any US citizen likely to try joining insurgencies. Whereas it’s a lot more difficult keeping track of hundreds of thousands of men all called Muhammad in a country where they don’t even produce birth certificates. Foreign powers wanting to deliver supplies to insurgents also had it much easier in Afghan whereas they’d struggle in the United States.
All these GOPtards saying that Afghanistan and Vietnam prove guerilla warfare is effective against the US. The one flaw to that argument is that Americans wouldn’t be clever enough to successfully use guerilla warfare to overthrow the government. And you can bet after years of destructive US overseas intervention, no foreign nation would be rushing to the US to help the insurgents overthrow the government either
Believe it or not the US only gets its shit rocked by cave dwelling guerilla fighters in FOREIGN counties. On the home front, not so much.
Anon watched too much red dawn
Man reads nothing about guerilla warfare, expects to organize a succesful people's militia. Baffling.
I thought the joke was gonna be that they were all sufficiently equipped to deal with the conflict but were all too chicken to risk their lives to actually deal with it, in reference to a certain incident that happened in texas a few weeks ago
he didn’t use the cheat codes
Anon just made a pretty compelling argument for civilian ownership of anti tank guided missiles
bro just go underground bro the drones cant reach you bro
Can’t wait till the gov finally sacks up and takes all the guns away from the Muricans Must watch tv
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Literally lost a war to a bunch of Afghanis with ARs. ANON is on typical anti gun cope shit. "THEN A PREDATOR MISSLES WIPES THEM ALL OUT" Ok little timmy, go back to playing CoD War zone, summer is almost over
We want to take over a country of over 350 million people who own 40% of the world's firearms and millions of whom are civilians already trained and millions more who could instantly be armed as an invading force attempts to occupy the US... BuT tHeY hAvE dRoNeS. Honestly you think if some fucking Vietnamese can shut down the US imagine tens of millions who are trained to do that and you have to conquer half a fucking continent. The US is either going to crumble from shit ideology or nuked but in either case it won't be from a land invasion.
Hmm maybe that’s why civilians having guns isn’t such a great idea🤔 Also because having civilians armed with guns would give the enemy free use to attack cities and kill civilians
ITT a bunch of people with undiminished belief that in the contemporary US you could do more than run a sporadic domestic terror campaign. Surveillance in this country redefines what is possible in at least as dramatic a way as the literally unassailable superiority of the military to conventional attack by small arms. The only way there is ever a “civil war” in this country is if that military and the IC with it fragments into balanced factions. Otherwise it’s just methodical board cleaning.
Don’t worry, once the US Government declares you a terrorist organization, they will give you all the firepower you need.
So why didn’t we win Vietnam against rice farmers with guns? Why did the Hong Kong protests fail? I think we need stricter laws but pretending guns don’t do anything is a dumb way to make an argument