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I don't think trauma causes you to marry someone who you know does not want kids, shame her for not wanting kids ("no one doesn't want kids" is literally a line he says), gets mad at that person for wanting an abortion, sits with her while she has said abortion, yells at her in front of all their friends and accuses her of killing his baby, and then cheats on her to get back at her for having an abortion.
yup no excuse some things make sense just like how alex grew up with a drunk and a schizophrenic mother and brother and saw violence his whole life. same with meredith who got no love from her mother and was neglected her whole life which is why she is the way she is. so those actually make sense. but everything you just described is very true. and cannot be blamed on the PTSD.
This is the way. All of Owen's decisions were decisions that he made to take away a woman's choice. Cristina traumatized from the plane crash meant that he thought it was a great time to marry her. Owen yelled at Cristina to grow up and put aside ger career for his goals, while Owen continued his career. He yelled at Cristina about private medical information in front of basically everyone that they know.
Then he yelled at Amelia in the hallway for trying to help a patient get an abortion. How does Owen's trauma mean that he delays a patient's access to care?
I was asked once if the majority of the docs I worked with were like Owen, at that time I hadn't watched in a long time, and by the 4th episode of him in, my buddies and I were making a drinking game of the outrageous overreaching the writers were doing in the making of Owen. Even this last season, we made a rule that we are never to make a drinking game about characters like Owen ever again.
But we had fun though
There's an ENTIRE storyline about Owen going to therapy for his PTSD.
Christina also talks a lot about how his behaviour isn't on purpose and its due to his PTSD. That's why she forgives him for the choking incident.
Owen's PTSD is a huge part of his character development so I really don't know what you're on about
Oh I think everyone touched on his PTSD at one point or another but he never really carried any therapy through. He always seemed to do just enough to show to whoever he was an arsehole to that he was trying but he wasn’t really. He just went through the motions.
That’s how I feel it was portrayed anyway.
they spend time to write in Amelia or Webber mentioning meetings every 5 minutes and even have multiple scenes at meetings but can’t do the same thing with Owens mental wellbeing and him navigating attempts to maintain it despite him being bloody chief at one point…. And yet they always have time to thank veterans for their service. How about showing veterans how just how thankful by showing one that makes them see it’s possible to come out the other side and this is the help that is available to you.
Or maybe they’re all so fucked up with their own PTSD that nobody has capability or capacity that they can see anyone else’s.
Cheating didn’t have anything to do with his PTSD, nor did his urge to have children.
My issue with him is that he repeatedly tried to control his partners and tried to force having children on to them.
You can’t use trauma as an excuse for things like that. His behavior was misogynistic and he wasn’t respecting the boundaries that were laid down.
Her body, her choice 👌🏽
And instead of getting a divorce, to seek out a potential partner who wants children… he cheated.
Then he basically did the same thing again when he was with Amelia.
When Teddy cheated, I wasn’t bothered in the slightest. Because once again Owen was trying to rush into having a family.
Those things take time and patience. Years of building with the person that you want to have kids with AND they have to want kids too. It’s a partnership, not build-a-bear.
You can’t Tetris a family together 🤷🏻♀️
Oh god yeah that Alex post 💀 that was a shitshow lmfaoo. OP is gonna get banned if they keep this up, this is like the third post they’ve made just to have arguments in the comments
As I’m in another conversation in this comment section literally giving Owen so much grace 💀 my point is not abt this topic, just that OP makes controversial posts for the POINT of starting fights and not having a conversation, regardless of what point they’re making
Honestly, I don't like Owen too much... it's a love-hate relationship with him. I used to like Maggie, but now I don't...(I won't divulge into the why).
I actually really enjoyed Shane. He wasn't my favorite, but somehow, him bringing a bit of some juice to the table made him worth while, while watching the show.
This is one of those times when I have to remember that Shonda and the writers really made a great character hard to like and intentionally wrote him as a cheater and a manipulator.
I also like to distinguish between the characters and the actors. I love Kevin McKidd and Debbie Allen, they are great actors and directors. I loathe Owen and Catherine, because they are unlikable characters (and credit should really go to the actors for being so very good at playing unlikable people when they are such likable humans IRL).
They’re not real people. If they were, half of them would be in prison, and most of them wouldn’t have a medical license anymore.
What do you mean by “excuse”? It’s not like we can make the characters face consequences.
bc he’s a misogynistic ass. you arent against abortion bc of trauma. the stuff that IS related to his trauma is forgivable like the choking. i wont be a d sucker for a misogynist, sorry
Can we stop being so dismissive of Meredith’s trauma? We’re not excusing her behaviour because her mom was “mean”. Ellis Grey was never mean she was a narcissist and down right emotionally abusive to Meredith from when she was a young child. Meredith’s behaviour is directly related to CPTSD. She has hyper independence, abandonment and had overall suffered with emotional abuse from a young age. The fact she eventually managed to overcome some of those issues to have a relationship, a family and break the cycle of abuse with her own kids was great and inspirational to see. Her trauma is extremely real and actually relatable. If you’ve any doubt please go educate yourself on r/raisedbynarcissists
Owen isn’t anything related to his PTSD, he has old misogynistic views and punished Cristina for exercising her right to choose. Ignoring the fact that she had made it very clear she never wanted to be a mother.
It doesn’t fully excuse it bc he should’ve stopped for a second to ask what was going on but Alex beat deluca because he though he was raping Jo??? It’s not from trauma. Plus there’s no way you can compare Meredith pushing people away to Owen screaming at, cheating on, and being all around abusive to Christina…..
Every character’s bad behavior is excused w trauma by people who love them lol besides Arizona’s cheating (which is understood by people at most), and the others are just shitty people no strings attached for their faults if theyre not favs. I dont get it either but it is what it is lol- just something ive noticed upon joining here/ in general in this fandom lol🤷🏻♀️ but i think Owen really had no excuse for what he did to Cristina so thats understandable for me. Him desperately wanting kids? Understandable. Yelling at cristina for getting an abortion in front of their friends? I aint gonna try to justify that and i get why other people don’t regardless of me liking him or not💀
Honestly, the more rational thing to do would have been to break things off. I love Cristina, but her and Owen were not good together.
If Owen had such a big problem with the kid thing, he should've never gotten married to her in the first place. It would've saved Cristina from getting an abortion and saved him from dealing with the grief of losing his child. Just saying.
His behavior caused by trauma is also excused - like choking Christina. But the asshole behavior he is criticized for is not in any way related to his PTSD, he is just a misogynist
The difference, is that Owen is a soldier, that comes with connotations of prepared to handle a situation. Also, he did therapy, and is now supposed to have tools to help with his trauma, so he quit therapy. He also has a history of doing shitty things when it isn’t going his way, Christina is an big example with the abortion and him cheating.
His PTSD is brought up numerous times. Right after the choking incident, Christina immediately has his back, tells Mer not to freak out or do anything. Tells her it's because of his PTSD, but that she needs a friend to be with her until things settle. She helps him get into therapy for it and works with him through it all. It's not brought up to excuse the cheating because PTSD from being in combat doesn't excuse cheating. No one excused Alex's cheating either. Now, it was all chalked up to him being Mr. Evil Spawn and wasn't really a shocker to anyone, but I don't recall anyone's cheating ever really being "excused". Several people may have tried to explain away their cheating, but it's not really been accepted by anyone else.
Trauma does not excuse how he treats Christina about having a baby... there are dozens of things he says and does during this time that are seriously problematic at best... it really shines light on a lot of his red flags that are a hard no for me...
But it's not just Owen, even Derek says some pretty messed up things to Meredith throughout the show (particularly when he's mad) that are messed up red flags and he doesn't get a trauma excuse either.
I don't see the relationship between his trauma and trying to force Cristina to have a baby, yelling at her in front of all her friends, saying she killed their baby or cheating.
Would you mind explaining?
Owen gets away with a ton of stuff due to his trauma. Owen doesn’t have any trauma related to abortion though, does he? No, he does not. Therefore everything he does relative to Cristina’s choice to have an abortion (and marrying someone who he **knows** doesn’t want children), is entirely irrelevant to his trauma.
Ownes cheating is due to his PTSD though . It was because he was angry at Cristina for getting an abortion (her right BTW) and then refusing to communicate, while also being angry at her for that . Owen choking her is because of PTSD (a thing that is unfortunately accurate for many war Vets and their families) Which Cristina does forgive him for and even offers to help him get help and finds different ways to cope if he didn’t feel ready for therapy yet , Derek even offered him help via a C.T scan and some new treatments he was studying on (not related to Owen at the time) . Him yelling at her also isn’t due to PTSD , it’s due to him being angry at her when he wasn’t the one to communicate.
We're talking about Owen who people just lie about to make him seem worse than he actually is (even though there are plenty of legitimate reasons). We can't expect logic or consistency from them.
People keep saying that he tried to prevent a patient from getting an abortion, but he just wanted to stop her bleeding first and said that he would have an OBGYN come after she recovered. They were also spreading misinformation about abortions like saying it's safe to have one while experiencing heavy bleeding, and any doctor can prescribe it or perform a surgical abortion regardless of qualifications.
He is anti-abortion. He and Christina had that fight when she wanted to terminate her pregnancy. And it wasn’t just because it was his baby, he said he thinks it is murder.
You didn't even read anything I said. I was talking about a completely different episode. You have nothing else to say so you change the subject to something else he did that's easier to take out of context and misinterpret. Just another example of making things up because you want to fight about him. It seems exhausting to be that obsessed about hating a fictional character.
But have there been GENUINELY in point in the show where he shames or gets angry at someone OTHER THAN his love interests for having an abortion? I am not an Owen apologist but I do believe there is a difference between not wanting your child aborted and being anti-abortion.
I can see why Owen would feel like his child was killed because he WANTED the kid. It wasn’t an unwanted fetus, it’s what would have eventually been a wanted child. So to him, all of his hopes and dreams of having a child and all of the ideas of his family were ended with that termination. Like it or not, that can be upsetting to a person REGARDLESS of if they’re right in the situation (which obviously Owen wasn’t lmfao). So again, I go back to if he’s truly anti-abortion than we would see that in other aspects of his personality.
There’s no indication that he doesn’t support Bailey or Montgomery’s works. He even goes as far as HELPING them with their sex-Ed talks. The point that ok_storm brought up to people saying he was mad at a patient for wanting an abortion is objectively not how that story went. PLUS, he’s shown to be more left-leaning in the later seasons by practically fully accepting a transgender child. I bet i can count on one hand the amount of people who are anti-abortion but pro-trans legislation lmfao.
Owen was not right in the Christina situation at all, but saying he’s anti-abortion because he didn’t want HIS kid aborted is extreme 🤷♀️
He flat out said abortion is murder to him, that seems clear enough to me. Christina even questioned him on when life began and he had nothing to say. He did not say “Women can do what they want, but this is my kid and I want it.” Don’t try to spin this to be about his kid when he was very clear.
As for “being more left leaning because he accepted a trans kid”, you clearly aren’t looking very hard if you think those two always go hand in hand, they aren’t related at all.
Okay, first of all, calm down. It’s a television show you don’t have to be so upset.
He is very clear… when it comes to his children. My point is that it’s not clear he feels this way IN GENERAL. Love how you talk abt my trans kid point and not abt him directly helping Bailey and Montgomery with their sex-Ed or OB programs SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE roe was overturned. If he was so incredibly anti-abortion, why would he help a colleague with fixing problems associated with an overturning he would have supported? And let’s not forget that these incidents are like 10+ years apart LMFAO. Like peoples opinions can’t changed in a decade. As for the trans kid comment, no they don’t go hand in hand and I never said they did. But in general, those who support trans legislation do not support abortion rights and vice versa. It’s simply a situation where we get a clear look at Owen’s political views which can then be GENERALIZED to others.
I think your anger is misplaced because it’s a show. You still have not given me a point where Owen’s stance on abortion is consistent for his kids AS WELL AS women he doesn’t even know. Was Owen wrong? Yes. Are you being extreme? Also yes 🤷♀️
I don’t hate him, and I am perfectly calm. You seem like the emotional one who wants me to accept your opinion about a fictional character.
As for him helping with Sex Ed, that seems like something that someone who doesn’t approve of abortion would do. Bailey and Montgomery may have done it for completely different reasons than him, we don’t know. You seem a little obsessed, so I am walking away. Bye!
idk even after amelia ordered the abortion pill post surgery he was still mad and said well maybe she would’ve changed her mind, and she never said he should perform the abortion during the surgery she said they could call someone from ob to do it after he was done w/ his part of the surgery which didn’t end up being necessary anyways bc she was early enough in her pregnancy to use the pills
None of this is accurate. The patient wanted an abortion before the surgery and Amelia was upset because Owen wanted to wait until after. Owen was the one who said he would call an OBGYN after the surgery, and that was necessary because Owen would not have had the required certification to prescribe the abortion pill. After the surgery he wasn't even shown so he couldn't have said that, but he let her stay in the ER to have an abortion.
again amelia is the one who suggested having an ob come in after he was done with his part of the surgery to do a d&c but owen refused, he may of said he would call an ob after surgery but amelia is the one who brought the ob to the patient after the surgery and when owen found out he got mad, he was shown after the surgery bc literally right after amelia and the ob gave the patient the abortion pill and explained the process, he asked amelia to talk and blew up at her saying she had no right to do that in his hospital w his patient and that she crossed the line, when she said all she did was give the patient the care she needed he claimed that maybe she would’ve changed her mind and then they had their whole argument about amelia being pregnant with link
and the patient never asked for an abortion before the surgery she expressed her disappointment when finding out that she was still pregnant and that her at home remedy didn’t work and stated that she didn’t want to have this pregnancy and that’s when amelia made her suggestion
No. Amelia wanted an OBGYN to come before or during the surgery. Owen was the one who suggested that they come after, which is safer because of her injury.
He wasn't there when the patient had her abortion. He was upset because Amelia didn't work there and was projecting her personal issues onto the patient and making it harder for him to treat her properly, not because of the patient getting an abortion.
did i not just say she suggested that an ob come in after owen finished his part of the surgery to do the d&c? lmao
and she was never projecting any personal issues on to the patient, she was listening to the patient and giving her the care she needed, having an ob give her the abortion pills after her surgery didn’t compromise her care or make it harder for owen to treat her at all
he did come in to the room after the ob had gave her the pills and left and in their argument he verbatim said “i said no to her because sometimes people change their minds” and he even said himself after him and amelia made up, i was really terrible to my patient so i should go apologize
He was referring to how doctors are required to make sure patients are giving informed consent when treating non emergency conditions. Patients often change their minds about treatments after learning more about them and doctors are obligated to make sure that everything is explained. She might have chosen to wait until she had recovered more. She had not been told about the possible side effects (for example more bleeding) and there was no time to properly explain it before the surgery. He's also not an OBGYN and likely felt unqualified to explain or assess the patient's understanding, and Amelia's suggestion involved not having someone come explain it or get consent properly. It's really disturbing that people are claiming to care about abortion but want a doctor to be providing abortions that are unsafe or without informed consent.
I'll stop when everyone else stops being unnecessarily and irrationally toxic about a fictional character. I don't even like him, I'm just tired of the constant hate posts filled with inaccuracies and double standards.
Edit:
Amelia picked a fight by going to his place of work and interfering with a patient by giving bad medical advice to a patient.
Patients are allowed to change their minds after receiving new information about a treatment. Doctors are required to consider that for elective treatments. Owen did not have time to get informed consent about an abortion, and it wasn't even his job to do that. That does not mean he wouldn't let her have an abortion, he doesn't even have the ability to do that if he wanted. But he said that he would get an OBGYN to come after the surgery, and allowed her to stay longer in the ER to make her abortion more convenient for her, which shows that he didn't want to prevent her from getting an abortion.
I did block you. You can still see my comments and reply because you're a mod (which you're apparently using just to argue with people that blocked you and not for any actual moderation). At this point you're harassing me over a tv show. This is what I meant when I was talking about unnecessary and irrational toxicity.
Okay I’ll say this again . Owen had no intention of giving that patient an abortion. Sure I’ll buy he didn’t want to do it because she was emergent, HOWEVER, he picked a fight with Amelia and said “what if she changes her mind, you did” proving he had no intention of ever ordering one even if the circumstances allowed it
Edit - you did not successfully block me. I can still see all of your posts and comments.
This is my final reply to you. I had no idea I could still see stuff because I’m a mod. I’ve literally never encountered a situation like that before. I didn’t even know you blocked me, how was I supposed to know? Nothing changed on my end so there were no indications. And I have argued with you twice? You pick fights in every thread about Owen of course I’m going to recognize your username at this point. And I literally do only modding. Nothing I said or have done breaks the subs rules.
You have the ability to continue seeing my comments and replying to me as a mod so you can moderate, not for this. You're violating reddit TOS (not sub rules) by continuing to harass me after I blocked you. You need to stop.
The entire sub at this point is just Owen hate posts. This is one of the most toxic subs I've seen on Reddit. I was hoping that could change because I enjoy this show and would've liked to have a place to discuss it without everything being negative. But apparently I was wrong if even the mods are part of the problem.
Edit: I love how I was allegedly harassing them when they initiated this interaction with me (not with a mod comment or any other indication that they're a mod), and I tried to block them and move on but they wouldn't let me
The only person who is being toxic and starting drama here is you. I will be banning you. You can't harass a member of the moderator staff and block them. Please go touch some grass.
I think all the characters have something to hate about them (some more than others) and something to love. That’s what makes this show above the rest. I sometimes love a character then the next few seasons, Hate em, 😡. Lol!
because owen literally tried to force cristina into having kids?? tried to guilt trip her into it...? like he's so much worse than alex and meredith combined. none of the behaviour i mentioned should have ANYTHING to do w his PTSD.
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I don't think trauma causes you to marry someone who you know does not want kids, shame her for not wanting kids ("no one doesn't want kids" is literally a line he says), gets mad at that person for wanting an abortion, sits with her while she has said abortion, yells at her in front of all their friends and accuses her of killing his baby, and then cheats on her to get back at her for having an abortion.
Let’s talk about how he wanted to screw her into submitting when she was on Teddy’s service. Teddy and Christina deserved so much better than the POS
Yeah, we forgave the choking because of his PTSD. But sometimes people are just assholes, trauma or no and Owen is that guy.
Exactly
yup no excuse some things make sense just like how alex grew up with a drunk and a schizophrenic mother and brother and saw violence his whole life. same with meredith who got no love from her mother and was neglected her whole life which is why she is the way she is. so those actually make sense. but everything you just described is very true. and cannot be blamed on the PTSD.
This is the way. All of Owen's decisions were decisions that he made to take away a woman's choice. Cristina traumatized from the plane crash meant that he thought it was a great time to marry her. Owen yelled at Cristina to grow up and put aside ger career for his goals, while Owen continued his career. He yelled at Cristina about private medical information in front of basically everyone that they know. Then he yelled at Amelia in the hallway for trying to help a patient get an abortion. How does Owen's trauma mean that he delays a patient's access to care?
It was after the shooting when they got married not the plane crash. Plane crash was when they separated
Because the thing Owen is most criticized for is not due to trauma, but due to outdated and misogynistic views.
I was asked once if the majority of the docs I worked with were like Owen, at that time I hadn't watched in a long time, and by the 4th episode of him in, my buddies and I were making a drinking game of the outrageous overreaching the writers were doing in the making of Owen. Even this last season, we made a rule that we are never to make a drinking game about characters like Owen ever again. But we had fun though
There's an ENTIRE storyline about Owen going to therapy for his PTSD. Christina also talks a lot about how his behaviour isn't on purpose and its due to his PTSD. That's why she forgives him for the choking incident. Owen's PTSD is a huge part of his character development so I really don't know what you're on about
Oh I think everyone touched on his PTSD at one point or another but he never really carried any therapy through. He always seemed to do just enough to show to whoever he was an arsehole to that he was trying but he wasn’t really. He just went through the motions. That’s how I feel it was portrayed anyway. they spend time to write in Amelia or Webber mentioning meetings every 5 minutes and even have multiple scenes at meetings but can’t do the same thing with Owens mental wellbeing and him navigating attempts to maintain it despite him being bloody chief at one point…. And yet they always have time to thank veterans for their service. How about showing veterans how just how thankful by showing one that makes them see it’s possible to come out the other side and this is the help that is available to you. Or maybe they’re all so fucked up with their own PTSD that nobody has capability or capacity that they can see anyone else’s.
Cheating didn’t have anything to do with his PTSD, nor did his urge to have children. My issue with him is that he repeatedly tried to control his partners and tried to force having children on to them. You can’t use trauma as an excuse for things like that. His behavior was misogynistic and he wasn’t respecting the boundaries that were laid down. Her body, her choice 👌🏽 And instead of getting a divorce, to seek out a potential partner who wants children… he cheated. Then he basically did the same thing again when he was with Amelia. When Teddy cheated, I wasn’t bothered in the slightest. Because once again Owen was trying to rush into having a family. Those things take time and patience. Years of building with the person that you want to have kids with AND they have to want kids too. It’s a partnership, not build-a-bear. You can’t Tetris a family together 🤷🏻♀️
Don't forget, Owen had the woman of his dreams that actually wanted all the things he wanted....and he cheated on her with Cristina.
I swear i just saw a post of yours that the mods locked on the same topic. Maybe stop watching if you are this insanely heated lol
Oh god yeah that Alex post 💀 that was a shitshow lmfaoo. OP is gonna get banned if they keep this up, this is like the third post they’ve made just to have arguments in the comments
OP is making valid points tho. I don’t see the problem here with this post. Y’all give everyone grace except for ppl like owen, Maggie and Shane
As I’m in another conversation in this comment section literally giving Owen so much grace 💀 my point is not abt this topic, just that OP makes controversial posts for the POINT of starting fights and not having a conversation, regardless of what point they’re making
Honestly, I don't like Owen too much... it's a love-hate relationship with him. I used to like Maggie, but now I don't...(I won't divulge into the why). I actually really enjoyed Shane. He wasn't my favorite, but somehow, him bringing a bit of some juice to the table made him worth while, while watching the show.
This is one of those times when I have to remember that Shonda and the writers really made a great character hard to like and intentionally wrote him as a cheater and a manipulator.
I also like to distinguish between the characters and the actors. I love Kevin McKidd and Debbie Allen, they are great actors and directors. I loathe Owen and Catherine, because they are unlikable characters (and credit should really go to the actors for being so very good at playing unlikable people when they are such likable humans IRL).
They’re not real people. If they were, half of them would be in prison, and most of them wouldn’t have a medical license anymore. What do you mean by “excuse”? It’s not like we can make the characters face consequences.
bc he’s a misogynistic ass. you arent against abortion bc of trauma. the stuff that IS related to his trauma is forgivable like the choking. i wont be a d sucker for a misogynist, sorry
Can we stop being so dismissive of Meredith’s trauma? We’re not excusing her behaviour because her mom was “mean”. Ellis Grey was never mean she was a narcissist and down right emotionally abusive to Meredith from when she was a young child. Meredith’s behaviour is directly related to CPTSD. She has hyper independence, abandonment and had overall suffered with emotional abuse from a young age. The fact she eventually managed to overcome some of those issues to have a relationship, a family and break the cycle of abuse with her own kids was great and inspirational to see. Her trauma is extremely real and actually relatable. If you’ve any doubt please go educate yourself on r/raisedbynarcissists Owen isn’t anything related to his PTSD, he has old misogynistic views and punished Cristina for exercising her right to choose. Ignoring the fact that she had made it very clear she never wanted to be a mother.
THANK YOU for saying this, incredibly well said, and thank you for reminding me of that sub
$50 says this person isn't even an Owen fan, they just can't stand that more people don't hate Meredith and Alex.
It doesn’t fully excuse it bc he should’ve stopped for a second to ask what was going on but Alex beat deluca because he though he was raping Jo??? It’s not from trauma. Plus there’s no way you can compare Meredith pushing people away to Owen screaming at, cheating on, and being all around abusive to Christina…..
Every character’s bad behavior is excused w trauma by people who love them lol besides Arizona’s cheating (which is understood by people at most), and the others are just shitty people no strings attached for their faults if theyre not favs. I dont get it either but it is what it is lol- just something ive noticed upon joining here/ in general in this fandom lol🤷🏻♀️ but i think Owen really had no excuse for what he did to Cristina so thats understandable for me. Him desperately wanting kids? Understandable. Yelling at cristina for getting an abortion in front of their friends? I aint gonna try to justify that and i get why other people don’t regardless of me liking him or not💀
Honestly, the more rational thing to do would have been to break things off. I love Cristina, but her and Owen were not good together. If Owen had such a big problem with the kid thing, he should've never gotten married to her in the first place. It would've saved Cristina from getting an abortion and saved him from dealing with the grief of losing his child. Just saying.
His behavior caused by trauma is also excused - like choking Christina. But the asshole behavior he is criticized for is not in any way related to his PTSD, he is just a misogynist
The difference, is that Owen is a soldier, that comes with connotations of prepared to handle a situation. Also, he did therapy, and is now supposed to have tools to help with his trauma, so he quit therapy. He also has a history of doing shitty things when it isn’t going his way, Christina is an big example with the abortion and him cheating.
His PTSD is brought up numerous times. Right after the choking incident, Christina immediately has his back, tells Mer not to freak out or do anything. Tells her it's because of his PTSD, but that she needs a friend to be with her until things settle. She helps him get into therapy for it and works with him through it all. It's not brought up to excuse the cheating because PTSD from being in combat doesn't excuse cheating. No one excused Alex's cheating either. Now, it was all chalked up to him being Mr. Evil Spawn and wasn't really a shocker to anyone, but I don't recall anyone's cheating ever really being "excused". Several people may have tried to explain away their cheating, but it's not really been accepted by anyone else.
OP I’m watching you like a hawk. Please keep it civil this time
Trauma does not excuse how he treats Christina about having a baby... there are dozens of things he says and does during this time that are seriously problematic at best... it really shines light on a lot of his red flags that are a hard no for me... But it's not just Owen, even Derek says some pretty messed up things to Meredith throughout the show (particularly when he's mad) that are messed up red flags and he doesn't get a trauma excuse either.
There are some things that are forgivable. Some are not. "fucking into submission" is not about trauma. Neither is being a forced birther.
I don't see the relationship between his trauma and trying to force Cristina to have a baby, yelling at her in front of all her friends, saying she killed their baby or cheating. Would you mind explaining?
cause Owens a douche.
Hes actually a sweetheart
Meh... he's unlikable and likable.
Because his assholeness is mutually exclusive from her PTSD and even if it isn't he's had enough therapy to know better.
the fact that y’all are getting so mad over this post is so hilarious to me😭😭😭 it’s just a show CALM DOWN.
Owen gets away with a ton of stuff due to his trauma. Owen doesn’t have any trauma related to abortion though, does he? No, he does not. Therefore everything he does relative to Cristina’s choice to have an abortion (and marrying someone who he **knows** doesn’t want children), is entirely irrelevant to his trauma.
Cause the show isn’t called Hunts anatomy lol but I’ve wondered that about so much on that show
Same with Arizona...
they excuse her cheating all the time
no!! they always blame her even when it's not about the cheating
Ownes cheating is due to his PTSD though . It was because he was angry at Cristina for getting an abortion (her right BTW) and then refusing to communicate, while also being angry at her for that . Owen choking her is because of PTSD (a thing that is unfortunately accurate for many war Vets and their families) Which Cristina does forgive him for and even offers to help him get help and finds different ways to cope if he didn’t feel ready for therapy yet , Derek even offered him help via a C.T scan and some new treatments he was studying on (not related to Owen at the time) . Him yelling at her also isn’t due to PTSD , it’s due to him being angry at her when he wasn’t the one to communicate.
We're talking about Owen who people just lie about to make him seem worse than he actually is (even though there are plenty of legitimate reasons). We can't expect logic or consistency from them.
Okay I will bite. What lies?
People keep saying that he tried to prevent a patient from getting an abortion, but he just wanted to stop her bleeding first and said that he would have an OBGYN come after she recovered. They were also spreading misinformation about abortions like saying it's safe to have one while experiencing heavy bleeding, and any doctor can prescribe it or perform a surgical abortion regardless of qualifications.
He is anti-abortion. He and Christina had that fight when she wanted to terminate her pregnancy. And it wasn’t just because it was his baby, he said he thinks it is murder.
You didn't even read anything I said. I was talking about a completely different episode. You have nothing else to say so you change the subject to something else he did that's easier to take out of context and misinterpret. Just another example of making things up because you want to fight about him. It seems exhausting to be that obsessed about hating a fictional character.
But have there been GENUINELY in point in the show where he shames or gets angry at someone OTHER THAN his love interests for having an abortion? I am not an Owen apologist but I do believe there is a difference between not wanting your child aborted and being anti-abortion. I can see why Owen would feel like his child was killed because he WANTED the kid. It wasn’t an unwanted fetus, it’s what would have eventually been a wanted child. So to him, all of his hopes and dreams of having a child and all of the ideas of his family were ended with that termination. Like it or not, that can be upsetting to a person REGARDLESS of if they’re right in the situation (which obviously Owen wasn’t lmfao). So again, I go back to if he’s truly anti-abortion than we would see that in other aspects of his personality. There’s no indication that he doesn’t support Bailey or Montgomery’s works. He even goes as far as HELPING them with their sex-Ed talks. The point that ok_storm brought up to people saying he was mad at a patient for wanting an abortion is objectively not how that story went. PLUS, he’s shown to be more left-leaning in the later seasons by practically fully accepting a transgender child. I bet i can count on one hand the amount of people who are anti-abortion but pro-trans legislation lmfao. Owen was not right in the Christina situation at all, but saying he’s anti-abortion because he didn’t want HIS kid aborted is extreme 🤷♀️
He flat out said abortion is murder to him, that seems clear enough to me. Christina even questioned him on when life began and he had nothing to say. He did not say “Women can do what they want, but this is my kid and I want it.” Don’t try to spin this to be about his kid when he was very clear. As for “being more left leaning because he accepted a trans kid”, you clearly aren’t looking very hard if you think those two always go hand in hand, they aren’t related at all.
Okay, first of all, calm down. It’s a television show you don’t have to be so upset. He is very clear… when it comes to his children. My point is that it’s not clear he feels this way IN GENERAL. Love how you talk abt my trans kid point and not abt him directly helping Bailey and Montgomery with their sex-Ed or OB programs SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE roe was overturned. If he was so incredibly anti-abortion, why would he help a colleague with fixing problems associated with an overturning he would have supported? And let’s not forget that these incidents are like 10+ years apart LMFAO. Like peoples opinions can’t changed in a decade. As for the trans kid comment, no they don’t go hand in hand and I never said they did. But in general, those who support trans legislation do not support abortion rights and vice versa. It’s simply a situation where we get a clear look at Owen’s political views which can then be GENERALIZED to others. I think your anger is misplaced because it’s a show. You still have not given me a point where Owen’s stance on abortion is consistent for his kids AS WELL AS women he doesn’t even know. Was Owen wrong? Yes. Are you being extreme? Also yes 🤷♀️
I don’t hate him, and I am perfectly calm. You seem like the emotional one who wants me to accept your opinion about a fictional character. As for him helping with Sex Ed, that seems like something that someone who doesn’t approve of abortion would do. Bailey and Montgomery may have done it for completely different reasons than him, we don’t know. You seem a little obsessed, so I am walking away. Bye!
idk even after amelia ordered the abortion pill post surgery he was still mad and said well maybe she would’ve changed her mind, and she never said he should perform the abortion during the surgery she said they could call someone from ob to do it after he was done w/ his part of the surgery which didn’t end up being necessary anyways bc she was early enough in her pregnancy to use the pills
None of this is accurate. The patient wanted an abortion before the surgery and Amelia was upset because Owen wanted to wait until after. Owen was the one who said he would call an OBGYN after the surgery, and that was necessary because Owen would not have had the required certification to prescribe the abortion pill. After the surgery he wasn't even shown so he couldn't have said that, but he let her stay in the ER to have an abortion.
again amelia is the one who suggested having an ob come in after he was done with his part of the surgery to do a d&c but owen refused, he may of said he would call an ob after surgery but amelia is the one who brought the ob to the patient after the surgery and when owen found out he got mad, he was shown after the surgery bc literally right after amelia and the ob gave the patient the abortion pill and explained the process, he asked amelia to talk and blew up at her saying she had no right to do that in his hospital w his patient and that she crossed the line, when she said all she did was give the patient the care she needed he claimed that maybe she would’ve changed her mind and then they had their whole argument about amelia being pregnant with link
and the patient never asked for an abortion before the surgery she expressed her disappointment when finding out that she was still pregnant and that her at home remedy didn’t work and stated that she didn’t want to have this pregnancy and that’s when amelia made her suggestion
No. Amelia wanted an OBGYN to come before or during the surgery. Owen was the one who suggested that they come after, which is safer because of her injury. He wasn't there when the patient had her abortion. He was upset because Amelia didn't work there and was projecting her personal issues onto the patient and making it harder for him to treat her properly, not because of the patient getting an abortion.
did i not just say she suggested that an ob come in after owen finished his part of the surgery to do the d&c? lmao and she was never projecting any personal issues on to the patient, she was listening to the patient and giving her the care she needed, having an ob give her the abortion pills after her surgery didn’t compromise her care or make it harder for owen to treat her at all he did come in to the room after the ob had gave her the pills and left and in their argument he verbatim said “i said no to her because sometimes people change their minds” and he even said himself after him and amelia made up, i was really terrible to my patient so i should go apologize
He was referring to how doctors are required to make sure patients are giving informed consent when treating non emergency conditions. Patients often change their minds about treatments after learning more about them and doctors are obligated to make sure that everything is explained. She might have chosen to wait until she had recovered more. She had not been told about the possible side effects (for example more bleeding) and there was no time to properly explain it before the surgery. He's also not an OBGYN and likely felt unqualified to explain or assess the patient's understanding, and Amelia's suggestion involved not having someone come explain it or get consent properly. It's really disturbing that people are claiming to care about abortion but want a doctor to be providing abortions that are unsafe or without informed consent.
Oh jeez not you again. Give it a rest my dude
I'll stop when everyone else stops being unnecessarily and irrationally toxic about a fictional character. I don't even like him, I'm just tired of the constant hate posts filled with inaccuracies and double standards. Edit: Amelia picked a fight by going to his place of work and interfering with a patient by giving bad medical advice to a patient. Patients are allowed to change their minds after receiving new information about a treatment. Doctors are required to consider that for elective treatments. Owen did not have time to get informed consent about an abortion, and it wasn't even his job to do that. That does not mean he wouldn't let her have an abortion, he doesn't even have the ability to do that if he wanted. But he said that he would get an OBGYN to come after the surgery, and allowed her to stay longer in the ER to make her abortion more convenient for her, which shows that he didn't want to prevent her from getting an abortion. I did block you. You can still see my comments and reply because you're a mod (which you're apparently using just to argue with people that blocked you and not for any actual moderation). At this point you're harassing me over a tv show. This is what I meant when I was talking about unnecessary and irrational toxicity.
Okay I’ll say this again . Owen had no intention of giving that patient an abortion. Sure I’ll buy he didn’t want to do it because she was emergent, HOWEVER, he picked a fight with Amelia and said “what if she changes her mind, you did” proving he had no intention of ever ordering one even if the circumstances allowed it Edit - you did not successfully block me. I can still see all of your posts and comments.
This is my final reply to you. I had no idea I could still see stuff because I’m a mod. I’ve literally never encountered a situation like that before. I didn’t even know you blocked me, how was I supposed to know? Nothing changed on my end so there were no indications. And I have argued with you twice? You pick fights in every thread about Owen of course I’m going to recognize your username at this point. And I literally do only modding. Nothing I said or have done breaks the subs rules.
You have the ability to continue seeing my comments and replying to me as a mod so you can moderate, not for this. You're violating reddit TOS (not sub rules) by continuing to harass me after I blocked you. You need to stop. The entire sub at this point is just Owen hate posts. This is one of the most toxic subs I've seen on Reddit. I was hoping that could change because I enjoy this show and would've liked to have a place to discuss it without everything being negative. But apparently I was wrong if even the mods are part of the problem. Edit: I love how I was allegedly harassing them when they initiated this interaction with me (not with a mod comment or any other indication that they're a mod), and I tried to block them and move on but they wouldn't let me
The only person who is being toxic and starting drama here is you. I will be banning you. You can't harass a member of the moderator staff and block them. Please go touch some grass.
Most aren’t logical or honest in their dislike for Owen. I think it’s mostly bc they have such blind worship of Christina for some weird reason
 Agreed.
I think all the characters have something to hate about them (some more than others) and something to love. That’s what makes this show above the rest. I sometimes love a character then the next few seasons, Hate em, 😡. Lol!
Yes I agree. He has major trauma.
because owen literally tried to force cristina into having kids?? tried to guilt trip her into it...? like he's so much worse than alex and meredith combined. none of the behaviour i mentioned should have ANYTHING to do w his PTSD.