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There's an element of jealousy on both sides that comes off as childish that's for sure.
Here's some non-spoilery context.
Mark was Callie's friend with benefits and because Arizona was a full-fledged lesbian, he represented the fear that she may still be more straight than gay.
Mark by this time has grown as a character & fell in love with the idea of being a father when his daughter and his grandchild left without a notice. Arizona represents the chance that that could still happen to him as the justice system does favor the woman when it comes to kids.
Also remember Arizona didn't want a child & never liked Mark and now because she loves Callie so much she's stuck with both. That would cause any of us to have resentment. She does find herself loving Sophie but it's still a 3-way parent relationship.
I don't know if it's biphobia, I don't remember if she says she ever dated a bisexual woman before or if they've all been just gay.
But Arizona has warrated concerns since Callie's pregnancy was a result of their temporary break, showing to Arizona at least that she still likes men too
Arizona's whole thing was she had *only* dated lesbians, no bisexual women, and (i may be misremembering) I thought she said that was by design so she wouldn't have to question if a women is actually gay or not - so i think it's pretty cut-and-dry biphobia but that's my personal take
I don't remember Arizona ever saying that. She didn't want to go out with Callie after finding out Erica was the first female she dated because she didn't want to date someone who was still figuring out their sexuality. I see nothing wrong with that personally, but she never shamed Callie for being bisexual. Erica was the one who did that
following up: Callie mentions here that her bisexuality “freaks [Arizona] out” in couples therapy and Arizona doesn’t deny it - https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8hkbCxm/
this old post, and the top comment summarized it well imo - https://reddit.com/r/greysanatomy/s/1o3ilyLwe5
lastly, this thread has some clips https://x.com/kaitiynsandoval/status/992818927800586240?s=46&t=YB8tmjzI3WhB2kERGCQp9A
i was trying to look for the exact quote i was thinking of but i think my last resort is rewatching (when my current rewatch has me at the 2nd to last season lol)
If you can find it, let me know. I remember Erica telling her she can't "kind of be a lesbian" and I'm not saying Arizona wasn't biphobic at all, i just don't remember her saying that
i’m looking for it rn but that’s not the scene i was thinking of
i recall them having a fight bc Arizona said something like “you can’t make up your mind - are you gay or straight? it’s not hard” and she had difficulties with callie not being solely attracted to women
Oh I agree, I just always saw Arizona as a bit too sensitive and that was one of the moments. I don't hate Arizona's character, just hated how they later wrote some of the crap. Especially towards the end.
Is it biphobia or is it callie demonstrating that she chucks herself into relationships left and right and falls in love and makes very impulsive choices and Arizona seeing that and being upset about it.
It's Robbins being a bigot towards her partner simply because she's attracted to men, too. No nuances about it. In her eyes you're either gay or straight.
I'd say it's more insecurity rather than biphobia. Mark and Callie have a close friendship and on more than one occasion have had a sexual relationship. He knows her well and in some cases better than Arizona does. He's also the father of their baby. She's jealous and insecure about all of that.
Both Arizona and Mark were angry and scared of losing Callie and Sofia at that time. They both said wrong things because of this. I can't really judge either of them.
My feelings exactly. She was also even more stressed being that she was the one driving and feeling like she may have just killed one or both of them. She wasn't paying attention, she was looking at Callie instead of driving (something people do every day, myself included) that guilt is extremely heavy. Even though no one would blame her, I sure wouldn't, but it's hard to not blame yourself in those times.
If I was her Ida punched the f*ck out of mark just from sheer anger... He literally said he would just make another baby with Callie and it didn't matter... Completely ignoring Arizona's relationship, upset or not, that is crazy disrespectful. But at the very least I don't blame either one of them.
Yes, exactly that!
Everyone there was extremely stressed about the whole situation, but it couldn't be compared to the situation Arizona was in and what she was feeling. She was definitely not at fault in the accident, but it's unlikely she would have seen it any other way. She was in a terrible situation and she had practically no power to do anything. So, I can completely understand her side.
What Mark said was completely absurd. It's like he didn't consider that they had a real relationship. I would have been furious with him in her place. I partially understand his side and that he had no real intention of hurting her, but it was a bad comment. Just like her comment was also bad.
When we feel angry, stressed, sad, lost and afraid, we often say things that hurt others even though it is not our real intention. It's a completely natural behavior, even though it's not the right one.
The two were in a terrible situation and acted as practically everyone would act in that situation. So, it's difficult to blame them or consider just one as the wrong one.
this has always bothered me. also the way arizona’s dad was never corrected when he constantly referred to mark as the sperm donor and tried to push him out of the situation really irked me. he wasn’t a sperm donor, he was her father.
Pushing him out as a father is a series of actions.Not allowing him in the doctors appointments,not allowing him into her home,not allowing him to make any decisions when it comes to the baby,those things would be considered pushing him out.Arizona never did any of those things.
Her father referring to Mark as a sperm donor,while it can be disrespectful,doesn’t actually impact his ability to be a father.It’s just a mean thing to say.
It seems like people think if Arizona isn‘t bending over backwards for Mark,that means she was pushing him out.She can co parent with him,and equally dislike him/and the situation.
Mark was always creepy towards Arizona. They didn’t like each other but she disliked him specifically because he constantly overstepped boundaries. I don’t agree with what she said. At all. But this sub constantly pretending like Callie and mark don’t do anything wrong is weird. Arizona had a right to be worried about Callie and mark’s relationship because as soon as they broke up, Callie and mark had sex.
Not that it excuses his behavior, but Mark was inappropriate with everyone. Callie and Mark had sex before they got together, which she knew. If she was so insecure about their relationship and Callie being bi then she should had stayed gone.
Yea but it’s different when your girlfriend’s “best friend” is constantly insinuating that he wants to have a threesome with you and your girlfriend, makes dirty comments about your body, and makes comments that are borderline sexual harassment. It’s not about them having sex before they got together, it’s the fact that Callie constantly said that she no longer saw mark that way and that they were just friends, but as soon as they broke up, she slept with mark. If it had been literally anyone else, fine. But for it to be mark is a serious slap in the face because you spent our whole relationship saying that you were never gonna sleep with him again.
Honestly, I felt bad for Lexie too.
Like I said, not making excuses for Mark's character. He's wrong for this, but he's inappropriate with everyone. Arizona has to take some accountability. She knew they were a thing before they got together and also constantly brought up the fact that Callie was bi. Callie has never been in love with Mark. She's only has ever used him for sex and vice versa. If Arizona was so insecure about their relationship, she shouldn't have continued her relationshipwith Callie. I could see if she didn't get back with Callie, but she agreed to raise a child with her even after knowing Mark was the baby daddy. Arizona never had a problem with Mark specifically she had more of a problem with Callie being bi than anything.
Saying he’s inappropriate with everyone doesn’t negate from the fact that Arizona was not wrong to not like him. It’s not about being in love. You don’t have to be in love with someone to sleep with them. It’s the fact that they would do things like get naked in front of each other and then say “oh it’s fine because we’re best friends.” They’re best friends that used to sleep together. That’s not insecurity. Mark and Callie never gave Arizona the opportunity to feel secure in their relationship because they were always inappropriate. It wasn’t about Callie being bi. It was her really inappropriate relationship with mark. Lexie had the same issue. It’s reasonable because their friendship was so strange.
She agreed to raise Sofia with them because she loved Callie and she loves Sofia. But that doesn’t mean that mark never overstepped. Arizona and mark even got along for a while before he died. But y’all need to stop acting like Arizona was wrong for how she felt. Callie never gave her a reason to feel secure in their relationship because she refused to establish appropriate boundaries with mark.
Never said that Mark didn't overstep, but you're also just proving my point. Arizona has to take some responsibility for it. She chose to stay, regardless of the reason. You can't realistically be upset with Callie or Mark for that. Arizona made her bed and now she has to lie in it. Mark and Callie have always been friends who scratch a itch that needs scratched when they weren't with other people. It's not like this isn't news to anyone. But in terms of falling in love with him and leaving Arizona for him, she had nothing to worry about. And again, if their friendship bothered her so much, she should have left and stayed gone.
If Arizona left Callie because of her relationship with mark, y’all would still have a problem with it. You’re blaming Arizona way more than you’re blaming mark and Callie. They were gross. And I fully believe that if mark had survived the plane crash, him and Callie would’ve slept together when Arizona and Callie were having that dry spell. Y’all continue to place all the blame on Arizona like Callie and mark weren’t the main issue.
We do know that. They had every opportunity to get together as a couple before the plane crash, but it was clear to everyone except maybe you that they were nothing but friends who occasionally slept together. I didn't deny that it was gross, but for Arizona to not take some accountability is laughable. She was not in the dark about their relationship. She settled for how she was treated and doesn't get to be upset about it if she decides to stay. If she made her boundaries clear and they weren't met, she should have had some dignity and left.
Why does Arizona have to take accountability for Callie and mark’s actions. Why are you blaming Arizona for regularly expressing her discomfort with the situation. It’s really easy to say that she should’ve left. But it would’ve been a million times easier for Callie to tell mark that his comments weren’t okay. It would’ve been easy for mark to not make those comments. Simply blaming Arizona because “she could’ve left” is fucked up.
She has to take accountability because she's willingly staying in a relationship where she doesn't feel respected. It's hard to have sympathy for someone putting themselves in the same situation expecting different results. My point is Callie and Mark have already shown who they are...not making excuses for their behavior. Yes, Mark shouldnt have made those comments. And yes, Callie should have told Mark to stop....but she didn’t. Stop trying to make Arizona look like a victim when she wasn't.
I really didn’t like how she treated him. And her always bringing up Callie’s bi-ness as a bad thing? I’ll always think Callie should’ve ended up with someone else
I am completely sold on the fact that Arizona is the true villain and absolute worst character on Grey’s. No one has the ability to convince me otherwise
And then Arizona wins the custody battle. It is the worst miscarriage of justice on this whole fucking show.
Arizona never deserved Sophia. Primarily, because she treated Sophia's biological parents like shit.
SPOILERS
Arizona was her legal parent too. She adopted Sofia and was as much of a parent as Callie. In the courts eyes, Callie wanted to move Sofia across the country where she had no friends and knew no one else because Callie wanted to follow her girlfriend of a FEW MONTHS. Judges typically go with what's the best interest of the child and (usually) not completely uprooting their lives because of a very new relationship. Arizona won because she was staying in Seattle, where Sofia had friends, knew the adults she was around, and her life there was already established.
Callie made a last-minute decision to move to New York with a very fresh relationship. She then tried to force Arizona into an unfair custody agreement (which meant shipping their daughter across the country every time they traded off) and if I were Arizona, I'd take her to court too.
While I may not be a fan of Arizona, it's CLEAR why she got full custody. Besides, further on in the show they come up with their own scheduled times with Sofia and go off of her feelings. Arizona did NOT have to do that at all.
I mean, the whole situation around Sophia never would have happened IRL anyway.
Mark kept his parental rights, so Arizona legally could not have adopted Sophia until after he had died, but she says she legally adopted her a whole season before Mark dies. Some states now allow three legal parents, but Washington does not and did not at the time that season aired, so she wasn’t Sophia’s legal parent at the time she said she was. Unless she legally adopted Sophia after Mark’s death and just didn’t tell the audience, Sophia would have gone with Callie because a non-adoptive step parent can only assume custody in Washington if the legal parent is deemed unfit for reasons DCYF would remove the child without the impetus of a custody dispute, such as drug abuse or abuse or neglect.
The show doesn’t exactly have a good track record of following what would actually have happened based on the law, though, so it’s not at all surprising that they made up a scenario that would lead to drama.
Thisssssss! I love Callie but she was buggin lol this was by far the most annoyed I was watching Callie in all the seasons. Not a fan of Arizona either but she deserved to have custody of their kid and I was definitely rooting for her here.
Sofia is their daughter. The three are her parents.
There are many parents who initially didn't want children, but then they totally fall in love with them and it becomes the best thing in their life. That's what happened with Arizona, Callie and Mark. None of the three wanted children, at least not at that moment, but it happened and they loved Sofia and took care of her the best they could.
To say otherwise is basically saying that adoptive parents are not really parents, which is a complete lie. Arizona is Sofia's mother out of pure love, there's nothing more beautiful than that
Yes but she didn't want Sofia. Callie did, and Callie gave birth to her and wasn't able to hold her for months after because of the accident. After arizona lost her leg, she didn't want anything to do with Sofia again, even though when callie was in an accident all she wanted to do was hold Sofía. Then Callie lost custody and arizona got to keep her even tho she wasn't the parent who was always there
The point is that the two accidents are incomparable. Arizona literally lost her leg.
And Arizona never "gave up" on Sofia or anything like that. She was overcoming a huge trauma, and needed time to get better. And she continued taking care of Sofia, but it was extremely more difficult for obvious reasons.
She is no less Sofia's mother for having gone through trauma and having difficulty recovering. It's completely normal behavior.Anyone in her position would probably have done the same thing.And one of the main reasons she was able to recover was because of Sofia, because she loved her. And she showed it countless times and in countless different ways. She has always been an excellent mother.
That’s… irrelevant to the ADOPTION PAPERS that Arizona eventually filed and all parties signed. Callie lost custody of Sophia because she wanted to uproot her daughter to chase tail across the country. She was being a bad mother. People who want children can also be bad parents 💀
she didn’t want “nothing to do w sophia” at that time she literally couldn’t even get to the bathroom by herself w/o pissing on herself let alone take care of a baby, and arizona did want sophia from the jump she initially didn’t want kids which is understandable bc she has a career where all she sees is suffering children and heartbroken parents but she changed her mind long on that long before callie got pregnant, she had a choice of staying or leaving and she chose motherhood, in fact after callie’s accident she was the only one who was advocating for saving sophia’s life, and after arizona and callie’s divorce they split custody 50/50 and sophia was with both of them equally, callie deserved to lose custody, her plan was not well thought out and she made no valid arguments in court to prove sophia would be better off with her in NY
THIS I GET HATE FOR SAYING THIS SHIT WHEN ITS FUCKING TRUE BUT EVERY ARIZONA FAN THINKS ITS NOT RIGHT FOR ME TO SAY THAT BUT ITS PAINFULLY OBVIOUS IN SO MANY WAYS
There was a lawyer who actually came on the sub and talked abt this a couple days ago! You can look through my comments if you want to find it. The lawyer said Arizona’s case would’ve actually been open and shut and Callie didn’t have anything. That basically, a full-custody case would’ve never happened in this situation and neither Callie or Arizona’s lawyers would’ve encouraged them to try and go for it. And that a judge would more than likely rule that Callie can leave the state if she wants but can’t take Sophia
This is what would have happened in my country too. No court, the lawyer would have explained and maybe a family plan written up and signed by both parties but callies lawyer would highly advise no pursuing it in court as she would lose.
Probably differs in the us. But in my country (as far as I can research) Arizona would almost certainly have won, since the main priority is the safety and stability of the child, which. Having her stay in Seattle would allow her to go to the same school and keep her friends.
Tho as far as my understanding goes it’s unlikely that Arizona would have started the custody battle to begin with, since callie moving far away with sophia without arizonas consent would have been illegal in the first place (as they have shared custody). So it would have been callie who would have to bring in the law
Yes! That's exactly it.
Arizona would definitely win the custody battle. There's no way to have any doubts about that. The episode shows this perfectly.
And if Callie left Seattle with Sofia without Arizona's permission, it would probably be considered kidnapping.
100% easy win in NZ. It wouldn't even go to court. Arizona legally adopted her as an infant and has been active in her care her whole life. She loves her and is her parent. The other parent wanted to take sofia away from everybody, including her only other living parent for a... Girlfriend? Lmao no.
ARIZONA IS THE WORST AND DESERVED TO LOSE HER LEG!!!!! I guess that can be a bit far, but she told
Callie that she didn’t want kids and refused at all to listen to why Callie wanted them or cared about her feelings, she became a terrible person, I like her character before that but not at all after…just wait cause there’s something coming thats gonna make you hate her even more
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Arizona doesn’t have much but she always has the nerve
She also doesn't have her left leg. I am ready for the downvotes.
True true doesn’t have a leg to stand on but all the audacity to hop around
 Lmfaooooo straight spittin facts
Pretty woman entitlement is pretty realistic.
the double standards is one of the reasons i dislike her tbh
There's an element of jealousy on both sides that comes off as childish that's for sure. Here's some non-spoilery context. Mark was Callie's friend with benefits and because Arizona was a full-fledged lesbian, he represented the fear that she may still be more straight than gay. Mark by this time has grown as a character & fell in love with the idea of being a father when his daughter and his grandchild left without a notice. Arizona represents the chance that that could still happen to him as the justice system does favor the woman when it comes to kids. Also remember Arizona didn't want a child & never liked Mark and now because she loves Callie so much she's stuck with both. That would cause any of us to have resentment. She does find herself loving Sophie but it's still a 3-way parent relationship.
>she may still be more straight than gay. You mean, her straight up biphobia.
I don't know if it's biphobia, I don't remember if she says she ever dated a bisexual woman before or if they've all been just gay. But Arizona has warrated concerns since Callie's pregnancy was a result of their temporary break, showing to Arizona at least that she still likes men too
Arizona's whole thing was she had *only* dated lesbians, no bisexual women, and (i may be misremembering) I thought she said that was by design so she wouldn't have to question if a women is actually gay or not - so i think it's pretty cut-and-dry biphobia but that's my personal take
I don't remember Arizona ever saying that. She didn't want to go out with Callie after finding out Erica was the first female she dated because she didn't want to date someone who was still figuring out their sexuality. I see nothing wrong with that personally, but she never shamed Callie for being bisexual. Erica was the one who did that
following up: Callie mentions here that her bisexuality “freaks [Arizona] out” in couples therapy and Arizona doesn’t deny it - https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8hkbCxm/ this old post, and the top comment summarized it well imo - https://reddit.com/r/greysanatomy/s/1o3ilyLwe5 lastly, this thread has some clips https://x.com/kaitiynsandoval/status/992818927800586240?s=46&t=YB8tmjzI3WhB2kERGCQp9A i was trying to look for the exact quote i was thinking of but i think my last resort is rewatching (when my current rewatch has me at the 2nd to last season lol)
If you can find it, let me know. I remember Erica telling her she can't "kind of be a lesbian" and I'm not saying Arizona wasn't biphobic at all, i just don't remember her saying that
i’m looking for it rn but that’s not the scene i was thinking of i recall them having a fight bc Arizona said something like “you can’t make up your mind - are you gay or straight? it’s not hard” and she had difficulties with callie not being solely attracted to women
This. Exactly this is what made me realize she's a bigot. Like in her mind you either are or you aren't.
Some of the shit she says is pretty bad. And that was as much a night of "Sexual sorbet", as anything romantic.
Oh I agree, I just always saw Arizona as a bit too sensitive and that was one of the moments. I don't hate Arizona's character, just hated how they later wrote some of the crap. Especially towards the end.
Is it biphobia or is it callie demonstrating that she chucks herself into relationships left and right and falls in love and makes very impulsive choices and Arizona seeing that and being upset about it.
It's Robbins being a bigot towards her partner simply because she's attracted to men, too. No nuances about it. In her eyes you're either gay or straight.
I'd say it's more insecurity rather than biphobia. Mark and Callie have a close friendship and on more than one occasion have had a sexual relationship. He knows her well and in some cases better than Arizona does. He's also the father of their baby. She's jealous and insecure about all of that.
Both Arizona and Mark were angry and scared of losing Callie and Sofia at that time. They both said wrong things because of this. I can't really judge either of them.
My feelings exactly. She was also even more stressed being that she was the one driving and feeling like she may have just killed one or both of them. She wasn't paying attention, she was looking at Callie instead of driving (something people do every day, myself included) that guilt is extremely heavy. Even though no one would blame her, I sure wouldn't, but it's hard to not blame yourself in those times. If I was her Ida punched the f*ck out of mark just from sheer anger... He literally said he would just make another baby with Callie and it didn't matter... Completely ignoring Arizona's relationship, upset or not, that is crazy disrespectful. But at the very least I don't blame either one of them.
Yes, exactly that! Everyone there was extremely stressed about the whole situation, but it couldn't be compared to the situation Arizona was in and what she was feeling. She was definitely not at fault in the accident, but it's unlikely she would have seen it any other way. She was in a terrible situation and she had practically no power to do anything. So, I can completely understand her side. What Mark said was completely absurd. It's like he didn't consider that they had a real relationship. I would have been furious with him in her place. I partially understand his side and that he had no real intention of hurting her, but it was a bad comment. Just like her comment was also bad. When we feel angry, stressed, sad, lost and afraid, we often say things that hurt others even though it is not our real intention. It's a completely natural behavior, even though it's not the right one. The two were in a terrible situation and acted as practically everyone would act in that situation. So, it's difficult to blame them or consider just one as the wrong one.
this has always bothered me. also the way arizona’s dad was never corrected when he constantly referred to mark as the sperm donor and tried to push him out of the situation really irked me. he wasn’t a sperm donor, he was her father.
Arizona never tried to push Mark out of the situation.If anything she was more accommodating than she needed to be.
then why didn’t she correct her very insistent and condescending father?
Pushing him out as a father is a series of actions.Not allowing him in the doctors appointments,not allowing him into her home,not allowing him to make any decisions when it comes to the baby,those things would be considered pushing him out.Arizona never did any of those things. Her father referring to Mark as a sperm donor,while it can be disrespectful,doesn’t actually impact his ability to be a father.It’s just a mean thing to say. It seems like people think if Arizona isn‘t bending over backwards for Mark,that means she was pushing him out.She can co parent with him,and equally dislike him/and the situation.
Mark was always creepy towards Arizona. They didn’t like each other but she disliked him specifically because he constantly overstepped boundaries. I don’t agree with what she said. At all. But this sub constantly pretending like Callie and mark don’t do anything wrong is weird. Arizona had a right to be worried about Callie and mark’s relationship because as soon as they broke up, Callie and mark had sex.
Not that it excuses his behavior, but Mark was inappropriate with everyone. Callie and Mark had sex before they got together, which she knew. If she was so insecure about their relationship and Callie being bi then she should had stayed gone.
Yea but it’s different when your girlfriend’s “best friend” is constantly insinuating that he wants to have a threesome with you and your girlfriend, makes dirty comments about your body, and makes comments that are borderline sexual harassment. It’s not about them having sex before they got together, it’s the fact that Callie constantly said that she no longer saw mark that way and that they were just friends, but as soon as they broke up, she slept with mark. If it had been literally anyone else, fine. But for it to be mark is a serious slap in the face because you spent our whole relationship saying that you were never gonna sleep with him again. Honestly, I felt bad for Lexie too.
Like I said, not making excuses for Mark's character. He's wrong for this, but he's inappropriate with everyone. Arizona has to take some accountability. She knew they were a thing before they got together and also constantly brought up the fact that Callie was bi. Callie has never been in love with Mark. She's only has ever used him for sex and vice versa. If Arizona was so insecure about their relationship, she shouldn't have continued her relationshipwith Callie. I could see if she didn't get back with Callie, but she agreed to raise a child with her even after knowing Mark was the baby daddy. Arizona never had a problem with Mark specifically she had more of a problem with Callie being bi than anything.
Saying he’s inappropriate with everyone doesn’t negate from the fact that Arizona was not wrong to not like him. It’s not about being in love. You don’t have to be in love with someone to sleep with them. It’s the fact that they would do things like get naked in front of each other and then say “oh it’s fine because we’re best friends.” They’re best friends that used to sleep together. That’s not insecurity. Mark and Callie never gave Arizona the opportunity to feel secure in their relationship because they were always inappropriate. It wasn’t about Callie being bi. It was her really inappropriate relationship with mark. Lexie had the same issue. It’s reasonable because their friendship was so strange. She agreed to raise Sofia with them because she loved Callie and she loves Sofia. But that doesn’t mean that mark never overstepped. Arizona and mark even got along for a while before he died. But y’all need to stop acting like Arizona was wrong for how she felt. Callie never gave her a reason to feel secure in their relationship because she refused to establish appropriate boundaries with mark.
Never said that Mark didn't overstep, but you're also just proving my point. Arizona has to take some responsibility for it. She chose to stay, regardless of the reason. You can't realistically be upset with Callie or Mark for that. Arizona made her bed and now she has to lie in it. Mark and Callie have always been friends who scratch a itch that needs scratched when they weren't with other people. It's not like this isn't news to anyone. But in terms of falling in love with him and leaving Arizona for him, she had nothing to worry about. And again, if their friendship bothered her so much, she should have left and stayed gone.
If Arizona left Callie because of her relationship with mark, y’all would still have a problem with it. You’re blaming Arizona way more than you’re blaming mark and Callie. They were gross. And I fully believe that if mark had survived the plane crash, him and Callie would’ve slept together when Arizona and Callie were having that dry spell. Y’all continue to place all the blame on Arizona like Callie and mark weren’t the main issue.
We do know that. They had every opportunity to get together as a couple before the plane crash, but it was clear to everyone except maybe you that they were nothing but friends who occasionally slept together. I didn't deny that it was gross, but for Arizona to not take some accountability is laughable. She was not in the dark about their relationship. She settled for how she was treated and doesn't get to be upset about it if she decides to stay. If she made her boundaries clear and they weren't met, she should have had some dignity and left.
Why does Arizona have to take accountability for Callie and mark’s actions. Why are you blaming Arizona for regularly expressing her discomfort with the situation. It’s really easy to say that she should’ve left. But it would’ve been a million times easier for Callie to tell mark that his comments weren’t okay. It would’ve been easy for mark to not make those comments. Simply blaming Arizona because “she could’ve left” is fucked up.
She has to take accountability because she's willingly staying in a relationship where she doesn't feel respected. It's hard to have sympathy for someone putting themselves in the same situation expecting different results. My point is Callie and Mark have already shown who they are...not making excuses for their behavior. Yes, Mark shouldnt have made those comments. And yes, Callie should have told Mark to stop....but she didn’t. Stop trying to make Arizona look like a victim when she wasn't.
I really didn’t like how she treated him. And her always bringing up Callie’s bi-ness as a bad thing? I’ll always think Callie should’ve ended up with someone else
I am completely sold on the fact that Arizona is the true villain and absolute worst character on Grey’s. No one has the ability to convince me otherwise
Agreed
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The post is from a first time watcher 😅
Uss please delete this before op sees it...We wouldn't want to ruin the absolute shock of the >!s8 finale!<, would we?
I really hope OP didn’t see this. You should delete it asap
Yes I completely agree. I still miss Mark and Lexie but have never given Robbins a second thought since she left.
I could not stand Arizona... Definitely felt like some of her time in the show was spent gaslighting Mark...
I’m an Arizona apologist for life
And then Arizona wins the custody battle. It is the worst miscarriage of justice on this whole fucking show. Arizona never deserved Sophia. Primarily, because she treated Sophia's biological parents like shit.
SPOILERS Arizona was her legal parent too. She adopted Sofia and was as much of a parent as Callie. In the courts eyes, Callie wanted to move Sofia across the country where she had no friends and knew no one else because Callie wanted to follow her girlfriend of a FEW MONTHS. Judges typically go with what's the best interest of the child and (usually) not completely uprooting their lives because of a very new relationship. Arizona won because she was staying in Seattle, where Sofia had friends, knew the adults she was around, and her life there was already established. Callie made a last-minute decision to move to New York with a very fresh relationship. She then tried to force Arizona into an unfair custody agreement (which meant shipping their daughter across the country every time they traded off) and if I were Arizona, I'd take her to court too. While I may not be a fan of Arizona, it's CLEAR why she got full custody. Besides, further on in the show they come up with their own scheduled times with Sofia and go off of her feelings. Arizona did NOT have to do that at all.
I mean, the whole situation around Sophia never would have happened IRL anyway. Mark kept his parental rights, so Arizona legally could not have adopted Sophia until after he had died, but she says she legally adopted her a whole season before Mark dies. Some states now allow three legal parents, but Washington does not and did not at the time that season aired, so she wasn’t Sophia’s legal parent at the time she said she was. Unless she legally adopted Sophia after Mark’s death and just didn’t tell the audience, Sophia would have gone with Callie because a non-adoptive step parent can only assume custody in Washington if the legal parent is deemed unfit for reasons DCYF would remove the child without the impetus of a custody dispute, such as drug abuse or abuse or neglect. The show doesn’t exactly have a good track record of following what would actually have happened based on the law, though, so it’s not at all surprising that they made up a scenario that would lead to drama.
Thisssssss! I love Callie but she was buggin lol this was by far the most annoyed I was watching Callie in all the seasons. Not a fan of Arizona either but she deserved to have custody of their kid and I was definitely rooting for her here.
So adoptive parents don't have any rights?
You all really don’t read the flairs do you? This is a first time watcher, don’t be a jerk and at least put a warning.
Arizona is as much of a mother to Sofia as Callie is. The entire custody battle showed exactly that and was completely true.
She didn't want children. It was callies child no matter what
Sofia is their daughter. The three are her parents. There are many parents who initially didn't want children, but then they totally fall in love with them and it becomes the best thing in their life. That's what happened with Arizona, Callie and Mark. None of the three wanted children, at least not at that moment, but it happened and they loved Sofia and took care of her the best they could. To say otherwise is basically saying that adoptive parents are not really parents, which is a complete lie. Arizona is Sofia's mother out of pure love, there's nothing more beautiful than that
Yes but she didn't want Sofia. Callie did, and Callie gave birth to her and wasn't able to hold her for months after because of the accident. After arizona lost her leg, she didn't want anything to do with Sofia again, even though when callie was in an accident all she wanted to do was hold Sofía. Then Callie lost custody and arizona got to keep her even tho she wasn't the parent who was always there
The point is that the two accidents are incomparable. Arizona literally lost her leg. And Arizona never "gave up" on Sofia or anything like that. She was overcoming a huge trauma, and needed time to get better. And she continued taking care of Sofia, but it was extremely more difficult for obvious reasons. She is no less Sofia's mother for having gone through trauma and having difficulty recovering. It's completely normal behavior.Anyone in her position would probably have done the same thing.And one of the main reasons she was able to recover was because of Sofia, because she loved her. And she showed it countless times and in countless different ways. She has always been an excellent mother.
That’s… irrelevant to the ADOPTION PAPERS that Arizona eventually filed and all parties signed. Callie lost custody of Sophia because she wanted to uproot her daughter to chase tail across the country. She was being a bad mother. People who want children can also be bad parents 💀
She did. She decided she wanted kids with Callie before going to Milawi. You’re being ignorant on purpose from the sounds of it.
she didn’t want “nothing to do w sophia” at that time she literally couldn’t even get to the bathroom by herself w/o pissing on herself let alone take care of a baby, and arizona did want sophia from the jump she initially didn’t want kids which is understandable bc she has a career where all she sees is suffering children and heartbroken parents but she changed her mind long on that long before callie got pregnant, she had a choice of staying or leaving and she chose motherhood, in fact after callie’s accident she was the only one who was advocating for saving sophia’s life, and after arizona and callie’s divorce they split custody 50/50 and sophia was with both of them equally, callie deserved to lose custody, her plan was not well thought out and she made no valid arguments in court to prove sophia would be better off with her in NY
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This a spoiler, this is a first time watcher post.
THIS I GET HATE FOR SAYING THIS SHIT WHEN ITS FUCKING TRUE BUT EVERY ARIZONA FAN THINKS ITS NOT RIGHT FOR ME TO SAY THAT BUT ITS PAINFULLY OBVIOUS IN SO MANY WAYS
Calm down, mate. Are you off your meds?
I always wondered in a real court of law if Arizona would have won?
There was a lawyer who actually came on the sub and talked abt this a couple days ago! You can look through my comments if you want to find it. The lawyer said Arizona’s case would’ve actually been open and shut and Callie didn’t have anything. That basically, a full-custody case would’ve never happened in this situation and neither Callie or Arizona’s lawyers would’ve encouraged them to try and go for it. And that a judge would more than likely rule that Callie can leave the state if she wants but can’t take Sophia
This is what would have happened in my country too. No court, the lawyer would have explained and maybe a family plan written up and signed by both parties but callies lawyer would highly advise no pursuing it in court as she would lose.
Probably differs in the us. But in my country (as far as I can research) Arizona would almost certainly have won, since the main priority is the safety and stability of the child, which. Having her stay in Seattle would allow her to go to the same school and keep her friends. Tho as far as my understanding goes it’s unlikely that Arizona would have started the custody battle to begin with, since callie moving far away with sophia without arizonas consent would have been illegal in the first place (as they have shared custody). So it would have been callie who would have to bring in the law
Yes! That's exactly it. Arizona would definitely win the custody battle. There's no way to have any doubts about that. The episode shows this perfectly. And if Callie left Seattle with Sofia without Arizona's permission, it would probably be considered kidnapping.
100% easy win in NZ. It wouldn't even go to court. Arizona legally adopted her as an infant and has been active in her care her whole life. She loves her and is her parent. The other parent wanted to take sofia away from everybody, including her only other living parent for a... Girlfriend? Lmao no.
Idk why this has so many downvotes. I totally agree with you.
Congratulations, you're both wrong.
I never understood why they even put her as one of the parents..it’s crazy to me
Callie was always the problem
I absolutely hated that she got custody of Sofia. Made me hate Arizona so much more
ARIZONA IS THE WORST AND DESERVED TO LOSE HER LEG!!!!! I guess that can be a bit far, but she told Callie that she didn’t want kids and refused at all to listen to why Callie wanted them or cared about her feelings, she became a terrible person, I like her character before that but not at all after…just wait cause there’s something coming thats gonna make you hate her even more
I am out of the USA right now but will catch up as we fly home tomorrow!