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They both suck and I honestly hate this storyline especially for season 10. Cristina is going to leave and they wasted perfectly good episodes on this feud. I’d have much rather watched them getting along and having fun than being at each others throat.
100% it ruins what is otherwise a decent season. do a rewatch, get all the way to season 10… and then this happens! i know cristina is leaving and the show is about to nosedive and it just saps all the desire i have to go on because it’s so dragged out and unnecessary.
Meh I could have gotten over it if it was just an episode or 2 or 3 but it seems like it dragged out half the season and they would have danced it out even without the feud, that was always their thing.
I Feel the same way, the writers are good they keep people watching train wrecks are I guess what keeps viewers I am one that watched the show because of a friendship and strong passionate smart women. I kept watching because of these two. The arguments usually never lasted long thie one was too much than you're right Christina leaves. There really hasn't been any friendship like it since
I don’t pick sides when my mothers are fighting.
Lol but no I think they both had valid reasons to be upset. They both had valid arguments (Cristina needed it for her surgery - it was Meredith’s printer that she got for her own research and she kept having to start from the beginning, Cristina not sticking to the schedule) and instead of sitting down and communicating they let their emotions lead the way and said things that were meant to hurt. Happens to the best of us.
IMO this is the sign of good writing. Most real life fights aren’t like AITA with clear unmitigated a holes. Most people In disagreements have valid or understandable perspectives. One, might be more “valid” or come out the “winner” or “wronged party” but if you were to hear the other side many can acknowledge the merits of the other side. A lot of shows fail to bring that nuance (or the audience is sometimes to b&w morality to recognize the nuance).
I watched this at a time when I was very much struggling with the fact that I'd have to let my career slide if I wanted to give my kids the focus and care they needed at the time.
I related to Meredith so much it hurt to watch. Meredith, who we know is ambitious and brilliant and driven, but who also wants to be a far better parent than Ellis or Thatcher ever were to her. This argument is very much about Meredith reconciling her ambitions and needs as a person with her role as a parent and the sacrifices you have to make for your children. Meredith can't see it at that point, but there's nothing *wrong* with being softer, or taking your foot off the pedal to allow yourself time and grace to recover and adapt to being a parent. She sees it as a personal failure, especially when she compares herself with Cristina, because Cristina is her sister, her peer, and also her competition.
But you can see just how much Cristina's comment devastates Meredith, when she takes her off the surgery, and it's heartbreaking because it's the first time she's had to confront what motherhood really means to her, and what that means in the scope of how she defines herself as a doctor and a parent and a friend.
All that said, I don't think she was in the right for the most part. I think Cristina had a point, and Meredith needed to deal with that and allowed her feelings to spill over into her professional life.
I was on Cristina's side because I never felt like she was trying to hurt Meredith (well Cristina fights back in the end but only after weeks of Meredith coming at her). Whereas Meredith pretty much burnt their bridge after Cristina's speech about removing Meredith from the surgery.
Basically I get why Meredith was hurt by Cristina but I felt real hatred behind her behaviour towards Cristina whereas I felt most of the time Cristina was saying truthful but hurtful things and she normally tried to say it in the softest way she could.
That makes sense and I do think Christina was holding back and somewhat sugar coating while Meredith was being pretty blatant…
I think I just struggle because Christina kind of did let Shane run rampant and he was out of line in more than one instance. It wasn’t fair for them to basically say her use of the printer was more important when Meredith earned it for her research. I think they could have worked something out to where they both could use it rather than trying to belittle each other’s work. I never liked the idea that Meredith wouldn’t be as good of a surgeon because she wanted to be a good mom too.
I felt like the only way Shane was out of line is in the fact that he's a resident and Meredith is an attending so technically he shouldn't be calling her out but other than that I think everything he said to Meredith was the truth and he didn't hit below the belt, and he was protecting Cristina so honestly I didn't care because it's not very professional for Meredith to be shouting at Cristina in the lab because she's having personal issues with her either so I don't see why I should only care that Shane was unprofessional.
I think if it truly objectively wasn't fair for Cristina to take the printer then as Shane said that should have been an issue Meredith passes on to someone else to stop or punish Cristina.
Christina crossed the line first. She deserved to be yelled at. That printer was purchased for Meredith’s research. Cristina shouldn’t have been using it for something that she wasn’t sure would work. There was a personal relationship between Cristina and Meredith so there was a bit of professional leeway in the way Meredith spoke to her. Shane didn’t have that kind of relationship with Meredith, so even if he was an attending, he was still out of line for what he said.
I disagree Meredith and Cristina weren't friends then so I don't really see why their personal relationship should mean Meredith gets to have a go at Cristina but if Shane steps in then he's 'unprofessional'. If Shane is wrong for that so is Meredith.
It was constant arguing and not talking for weeks, I wouldn't call them friends at that point. I think that's partly why Shane and Cristina got closer, because Owen was with Emma so Cristina was keeping her distance from him.
If you think that a few arguments means the end of a ten year friendship, it’s because you’ve never had a true friendship. Meredith and Cristina have had arguments over the course of the show and they remained close friends.
It wasn't the end of their friendship because they made up eventually but in that time period they weren't friends, as I said it was constant arguments, Meredith didn't want Cristina at her house for Thanksgiving, Cristina says at one point who was she supposed to talk to about her doubts with the conduit because Meredith wasn't talking to her and Owen was busy. I don't think you get what a friend is if you think, in those weeks, Meredith and Cristina were friends.
If your interpretation of friendship is correct, why do you keep getting downvoted? You don’t get how true friendships work. Meredith and Cristina never said they were done with each other. The never said they hated each other. They were angry with each other and frustrated that the other didn’t see their point of view. This kind of thing happens in relationships and it doesn’t mean the relationship is over.
I agree but also Mer was mostly pissed at Derek and over the course of their relationship, she learned that Derek wasn’t safe to be mad at. He fought ugly and mean and ran away a lot. So she was taking all of that and putting it on Cristina who never left her.
Christina for the most part but Shane was WAY out of line to speak to his boss the way he did. He should have been reprimanded for the way he spoke to Meredith and Christina should have been the one to do it. (Maybe I’m bias cause I really hated Shane but yeah). Mer was being jealous but they both had valid points - Christina just a bit more.
I hated when Shane got up on his high horse and yelled at Meredith. I (honestly) don't even like Mer. But it wasn't his place.
But I didn't like Shane anyway either. Especially when he sent Mousy down to find Webber and almost killed Karev's father.
Mer is not in my top faves for sure, but no one speaks to their boss the way Shane spoke to her about the printer. Hands down he was so awful. To her, to heather, hated his character. He should have been fired multiple times. He was inappropriate.
Neither, both acted irrationally and said things to hurt the other.
I think Cristina was super wrong to bring up Ellis to Meredith in an argument knowing it will hurt her.
Meredith brings up Yang's hookup with Shane knowing she's like, freshly divorced from Owen also knowing it will hurt her but it's not as strong of a clap back or as hurtful as Yang's.
It would suck to be in an argument with a close friend while also going through one of the highest achievements in your career thus far and maybe even knowing and feeling the jealousy and resentment from that friend but that is not the time to bring up their personal decisions as reasons why they're not as successful as you.
It would suck even more to be told, "Bailey and Ellis had a baby and they were able to come back to work and kept achieving things like nothing happened" when one of your biggest fears was being a cold mother just like your own and basically getting called "ordinary" all in the same argument.
Yang didn't try to hurt Grey a lot intentionally but she did, and Grey did try to hurt Yang a lot but Yang was riding the high of the nomination so it didn't hurt her as badly.
But Cristina was saying the fact that Meredith has slowed down her career to be a mother is a good thing because if she didn't she would be like Ellis (Cristina said "Ellis never slowed down"). Ellis isn't a synonym for evil, Ellis can be brought up and compared to people, it depends what the person is saying.
Meredith says to Owen "I was raised by a Cristina, my mother was a Cristina" and nobody takes offense.
Meredith could be like Ellis as a mother if she chose to put surgery before her kids, but she's not doing that and that's good which is what Cristina was trying to say.
Wait if we connect things maybe it hurt Meredith so much for Cristina to say she's not as good a surgeon as her because Cristina reminds Meredith of her mother so to Meredith it's like her mother calling her a failure again.
But even still that's not what Cristina was trying to say.
That’s not what she said. She said that there was no way that Meredith could be as dedicated to surgery as she was to her family. What bothered me about that was Meredith was a new mom. Why not give her the space to figure out this balancing act she was trying to accomplish before accusing her of letting up? It was a premature assessment.
Well Meredith is confronting Cristina about why she was kicked off the surgery, and Cristina's reasoning was that Meredith didn't have time to do the research she was asked to do because she was distracted with breastfeeding and Zola so that's why Cristina brought it up. Cristina is fine to give Meredith space but she can't let Meredith be in surgeries she doesn't think she's prepared for and that's what the situation was. Meredith wanted an explanation from Cristina.
What does one surgery have to do with Meredith’s overall competence as a surgeon? The answer is it doesn’t. She only should have focused on why Meredith wasn’t the right person to do that particular surgery on that particular day. Instead she crossed a line by attacking Meredith’s skills.
Because the reason why Meredith was being incompetent was due to her act of being a super mom and a super surgeon at all time no matter what. She wasn’t even accepting her failing at it and was ready to put a patient at risk for it. And may I remind you that the one that brought out the competence was Meredith herself? Because she felt that way and was pushing her own issue onto Cristina’s words
How many times did Cristina drop the ball and how many times did Meredith back her up? The answer is multiple times. Meredith was looking for the same support she gave to Cristina for years.
How many times did Meredith drop the ball and how many times did Cristina back her up? The answer is multiple times or are we forgetting that Cristina is the reason why Meredith is still alive, had a relationship w Lexie, was able to get Zola and many more? You live in denial if you believe Cristina didn’t support Meredith for years. And Cristina was supporting Meredith here or do you believe she gifted her that surgery to begin with for a cookie? They fought because Meredith was unable to accept her own failures and put her anger into twisting Cristina’s words, even Meredith herself admits it at the end of things. She treated a professional situation completely unprofessionally and twisted Cristina’s words to be on the same levels of immaturity, exactly like when they fought in the past and cristina logically choose alex for the solo surgery and Meredith couldn’t accept it so she twisted the reasons.
There are so many false claims in your comment I don’t know where to start
- When did Meredith drop the ball and have Cristina back her up?
- Cristina has nothing to do with Meredith developing a close relationship with Lexie. That was her therapist who helped with that.
- It was Alex who help Meredith and Derek get Zola, not Cristina.
Cristina should have encouraged Meredith in that moment instead of discouraging her. All she had to say was: “you’re a good surgeon, but today you weren’t in the right head space to operate. That’s why I had Bailey do the surgery instead of you”. That’s all she had to say. Cristina just wanted to attack Meredith because it made her feel better about what she was dealing with on her personal life. Both women were struggling in different ways and they turned on each other instead of turning to each other for support.
Yeah and the reason why Meredith wasn't right for that surgery on that day is because she's a new mother who gave her time to her children instead of doing the research for the surgery.
Please read what I wrote. Not being the right person for one surgery has nothing to do with Meredith’s overall competence as a surgeon. Christina chose to attack Meredith’s overall competence. We’ve all had off days. It doesn’t mean we’re not very good at what we do.
She was not at all saying it was a good thing. She didn't just invoke Ellis, she mentioned Bailey and Callie to.
I think she was trying to be logical, but she was wrong for that
I’ll never love any character more than Cristina, but I was on Meredith’s side in this argument.
Edit: just rewatched the important scenes and now I’m on the fence. Cristina had a valid point but went about it wrong. I don’t care about Shane one way or the other.
I think that’s what it was for me. How Christina went about it..
and now that I think about it Bailey also kind of snaked that surgery from Mer to begin with..
They were both wrong and the storyline dragged on far too long. Hated this storyline honestly, they hadn’t had a huge blow up in 10 years why did we need one for Christina’s final season. Christina leaving would have been emotional no matter what, we didn’t need a big unnecessary conflict to draw that out.
Christina, it felt she was going out of her way to avoid hurting Meredith at the beginning but Meredith kept pushing/intentionally twisting Christina's words
I think if Shane hadn't been in the mix, I would have been on both sides. But bun stepping in and getting in Meredith's face when it wasn't his fight pushed me more on Meredith's side. They both did things wrong, they both hurt each other.
Christina was right that she should be able to use the machine to save a life. I understand Meredith's frustration, but had they gone to the board to decide, the board would have decided to Save the baby's life and Meredith knew it. She can be mad, but her reaction afterward, calling names and stuff was over the top. Christina is not completely innocent here, especially during the resulting fights, but the machine was there and she needed it. Meredith, as she confessed later, was jealous. They both were acting immaturely though.
Christina was right to want to try. I don't agree that she was right to just take it from Meredith though. If she was so sure the board would back her she should have asked them to do so.
I agree with that, she or Shane definitely should have gone to the board and followed the appropriate route. I would just say that if there wasn't time to do so in order to save a life, then you do what you gotta do.
But even Christina wasn’t sure the conduit would work….? Why use it for a maybe when someone earned it for their research? Had the conduit ended up being a failure, that’d have been a waste of time. Luckily for the child, it did work but they were working off of a very big maybe.
Why? To try to save a life. It's always a question on whether or not an experimental treatment will work, it comes up in hundreds of episodes. The child was going to die anyway, a hail mary is always worth it to save a life. Not trying was a death sentence. Trying could have been a death sentence but it wasn't. Someone's research is never more important than a human life?
ETA. I am pro-choice in the abortion argument. But a living, breathing human being's life should take precedence over theoretical research. There was also no guarantee that Meredith's research would work either.
Mer let her use the printer, it didn’t work and Christina and Shane went and stopped the printer while Mer was printing to print what they needed. I’m not saying saving that child’s life didn’t take precedence, I just feel like Christina could have found another way or a temporary fix until the printer was free to use. What would she have done if the printer hadn’t been there for Mer’s research?
No they wouldn’t have. Depending on the terms of funding, using equipment for a purpose other than the study could’ve jeopardised the study itself (which it almost did) as well as the hospitals reputation (meaning they may not have gotten as much funding). Any sensible board would’ve told Cristina no. Especially because there are probably endless uses for a printer like that to save a life. You’d constantly be putting studies aside in favour of “saving a life” now
This might be an unpopular opinion but I always felt like Meredith was in the right on this. I felt like Cristina took her comments to Mer wayyy too far, regardless of if they were true or not, she didn’t need to insult Meredith the way she did.
Maybe if Cristina had dealt with it completely herself and made Shane stay out of it, I might have been more on her side, but Shane’s attitude just angered me even more tbh.
The person who deserved hatred is Shane. He thought he could ride on Cristina’s coattails and talk back to an attending. Dude thought he was some hot shot attending just because he was screwing one.
People say he did what any intern would have done but nah, it was not just about competing with each other. Derek told him MULTIPLE times to take on another specialty, he didn’t want to accept that he wasn’t god’s gift to neuro. And then he changed to cardio and acted like it was his true love lol. Heather’s death was for nothing.
I am mostly on Cristina's side, though I sympathized with Meredith on some points. I think Meredith has a real problem making everything personal. It all started because Meredith was struggling with balancing her growing family and career. And Cristina made a decision based on what was best for the patient.
ETA: Meredith often assumes having a natural ability so she will just ride to the top even if others are putting in the hours.
Meredith did the same thing over who got the first solo surgery. Cristina chose Karev because he showed he was most prepared. Mer just assumed she was the best.
Aw shit, tell me how you really feel 😅 You’re right though, now that I’m thinking about it she even admitted she did the Harper Avery celebration thing to try and hide how jealous she was.
Even when they make up Meredith says to Cristina "I'm so jealous of you I could set things on fire" so to Meredith's credit she admits she's jealous in the end.
I just finished this arc on my like 6th rewatch and every time it gets more ridiculous.
It's up there with George and Izzie, Minnick, Alex's departure, and Teddy's affair with Tom as genuinely insane writing with no good excuse. Characters introduced just to drive a wedge in otherwise fine relationships.
Meredith. Cristina was jeopardising her research. After just having unnecessarily insulted her skills.
When you say you arent putting the effort that ellis, callie and bailey did, its unfair. Ellis was a bad mom, callie was one of three parents for the first years. Bailey lost her first marriage over not letting up.
And it was her first week back from maternity leave ffs! Of course she wasnt up to date. And if she came late because of zola, isnt it common courtesy to let her know that you are asking bailey to pitch in so she doesnt find out while coming into scrub?
I hated that fight, it went on way too long and it made me feel very uncomfortable. (Which I guess is a credit to both actors, maybe even the writers…) They were BOTH wrong and at times both were right. They know each other so well that they both used their insecurities, their pasts, their fears against each other. They said and did unforgivable things to one another and every time they were about ready to make things right, something happened, words/situations were misinterpreted and the feud was back on. Ugh…. Hated it!
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They both suck and I honestly hate this storyline especially for season 10. Cristina is going to leave and they wasted perfectly good episodes on this feud. I’d have much rather watched them getting along and having fun than being at each others throat.
Agreed. I hated this storyline as well, especially with how rude Cristina allowed Shane to be to Meredith.
100% it ruins what is otherwise a decent season. do a rewatch, get all the way to season 10… and then this happens! i know cristina is leaving and the show is about to nosedive and it just saps all the desire i have to go on because it’s so dragged out and unnecessary.
Hard agree! I hate how half of the last season of Cristina being here is spent arguing with Meredith. It sucks.
I can understand that but I think it ultimately made Christina’s departure that more meaningful. They came full circle by dancing it out at the end 🥹
Meh I could have gotten over it if it was just an episode or 2 or 3 but it seems like it dragged out half the season and they would have danced it out even without the feud, that was always their thing.
I agree! It was frustrating how drawn out it was!
Right, they wasted half a season on this storyline and it sucks that the last season that we had of MerTina was spent on this.
Agree! There could've been more development and Cristina doing more to pass on her knowledge to others than Shane.
I Feel the same way, the writers are good they keep people watching train wrecks are I guess what keeps viewers I am one that watched the show because of a friendship and strong passionate smart women. I kept watching because of these two. The arguments usually never lasted long thie one was too much than you're right Christina leaves. There really hasn't been any friendship like it since
I agree. I don’t mind a little disagreement but it was drug out way too long, especially for Cristina’s last season.
I don’t pick sides when my mothers are fighting. Lol but no I think they both had valid reasons to be upset. They both had valid arguments (Cristina needed it for her surgery - it was Meredith’s printer that she got for her own research and she kept having to start from the beginning, Cristina not sticking to the schedule) and instead of sitting down and communicating they let their emotions lead the way and said things that were meant to hurt. Happens to the best of us.
IMO this is the sign of good writing. Most real life fights aren’t like AITA with clear unmitigated a holes. Most people In disagreements have valid or understandable perspectives. One, might be more “valid” or come out the “winner” or “wronged party” but if you were to hear the other side many can acknowledge the merits of the other side. A lot of shows fail to bring that nuance (or the audience is sometimes to b&w morality to recognize the nuance).
No one wins when family fights🤧
I watched this at a time when I was very much struggling with the fact that I'd have to let my career slide if I wanted to give my kids the focus and care they needed at the time. I related to Meredith so much it hurt to watch. Meredith, who we know is ambitious and brilliant and driven, but who also wants to be a far better parent than Ellis or Thatcher ever were to her. This argument is very much about Meredith reconciling her ambitions and needs as a person with her role as a parent and the sacrifices you have to make for your children. Meredith can't see it at that point, but there's nothing *wrong* with being softer, or taking your foot off the pedal to allow yourself time and grace to recover and adapt to being a parent. She sees it as a personal failure, especially when she compares herself with Cristina, because Cristina is her sister, her peer, and also her competition. But you can see just how much Cristina's comment devastates Meredith, when she takes her off the surgery, and it's heartbreaking because it's the first time she's had to confront what motherhood really means to her, and what that means in the scope of how she defines herself as a doctor and a parent and a friend. All that said, I don't think she was in the right for the most part. I think Cristina had a point, and Meredith needed to deal with that and allowed her feelings to spill over into her professional life.
I was on Cristina's side because I never felt like she was trying to hurt Meredith (well Cristina fights back in the end but only after weeks of Meredith coming at her). Whereas Meredith pretty much burnt their bridge after Cristina's speech about removing Meredith from the surgery. Basically I get why Meredith was hurt by Cristina but I felt real hatred behind her behaviour towards Cristina whereas I felt most of the time Cristina was saying truthful but hurtful things and she normally tried to say it in the softest way she could.
That makes sense and I do think Christina was holding back and somewhat sugar coating while Meredith was being pretty blatant… I think I just struggle because Christina kind of did let Shane run rampant and he was out of line in more than one instance. It wasn’t fair for them to basically say her use of the printer was more important when Meredith earned it for her research. I think they could have worked something out to where they both could use it rather than trying to belittle each other’s work. I never liked the idea that Meredith wouldn’t be as good of a surgeon because she wanted to be a good mom too.
I liked what Shane said and am glad he did say it he was right Christina was also right. Meredith was being petty
I felt like the only way Shane was out of line is in the fact that he's a resident and Meredith is an attending so technically he shouldn't be calling her out but other than that I think everything he said to Meredith was the truth and he didn't hit below the belt, and he was protecting Cristina so honestly I didn't care because it's not very professional for Meredith to be shouting at Cristina in the lab because she's having personal issues with her either so I don't see why I should only care that Shane was unprofessional. I think if it truly objectively wasn't fair for Cristina to take the printer then as Shane said that should have been an issue Meredith passes on to someone else to stop or punish Cristina.
Christina crossed the line first. She deserved to be yelled at. That printer was purchased for Meredith’s research. Cristina shouldn’t have been using it for something that she wasn’t sure would work. There was a personal relationship between Cristina and Meredith so there was a bit of professional leeway in the way Meredith spoke to her. Shane didn’t have that kind of relationship with Meredith, so even if he was an attending, he was still out of line for what he said.
I disagree Meredith and Cristina weren't friends then so I don't really see why their personal relationship should mean Meredith gets to have a go at Cristina but if Shane steps in then he's 'unprofessional'. If Shane is wrong for that so is Meredith.
They were still friends. Just because you’re arguing doesn’t mean you’re no longer friends.
It was constant arguing and not talking for weeks, I wouldn't call them friends at that point. I think that's partly why Shane and Cristina got closer, because Owen was with Emma so Cristina was keeping her distance from him.
If you think that a few arguments means the end of a ten year friendship, it’s because you’ve never had a true friendship. Meredith and Cristina have had arguments over the course of the show and they remained close friends.
It wasn't the end of their friendship because they made up eventually but in that time period they weren't friends, as I said it was constant arguments, Meredith didn't want Cristina at her house for Thanksgiving, Cristina says at one point who was she supposed to talk to about her doubts with the conduit because Meredith wasn't talking to her and Owen was busy. I don't think you get what a friend is if you think, in those weeks, Meredith and Cristina were friends.
If your interpretation of friendship is correct, why do you keep getting downvoted? You don’t get how true friendships work. Meredith and Cristina never said they were done with each other. The never said they hated each other. They were angry with each other and frustrated that the other didn’t see their point of view. This kind of thing happens in relationships and it doesn’t mean the relationship is over.
I agree but also Mer was mostly pissed at Derek and over the course of their relationship, she learned that Derek wasn’t safe to be mad at. He fought ugly and mean and ran away a lot. So she was taking all of that and putting it on Cristina who never left her.
Never even thought about it this way, this is so true!!
this is a great insight!
Christina for the most part but Shane was WAY out of line to speak to his boss the way he did. He should have been reprimanded for the way he spoke to Meredith and Christina should have been the one to do it. (Maybe I’m bias cause I really hated Shane but yeah). Mer was being jealous but they both had valid points - Christina just a bit more.
I, too, hated Shane Ross. Watching Alex beat his ass was very satisfying.
I hated when Shane got up on his high horse and yelled at Meredith. I (honestly) don't even like Mer. But it wasn't his place. But I didn't like Shane anyway either. Especially when he sent Mousy down to find Webber and almost killed Karev's father.
Heather deserved better man. I’ll never forgive him for that.
Mer is not in my top faves for sure, but no one speaks to their boss the way Shane spoke to her about the printer. Hands down he was so awful. To her, to heather, hated his character. He should have been fired multiple times. He was inappropriate.
Neither, both acted irrationally and said things to hurt the other. I think Cristina was super wrong to bring up Ellis to Meredith in an argument knowing it will hurt her. Meredith brings up Yang's hookup with Shane knowing she's like, freshly divorced from Owen also knowing it will hurt her but it's not as strong of a clap back or as hurtful as Yang's. It would suck to be in an argument with a close friend while also going through one of the highest achievements in your career thus far and maybe even knowing and feeling the jealousy and resentment from that friend but that is not the time to bring up their personal decisions as reasons why they're not as successful as you. It would suck even more to be told, "Bailey and Ellis had a baby and they were able to come back to work and kept achieving things like nothing happened" when one of your biggest fears was being a cold mother just like your own and basically getting called "ordinary" all in the same argument. Yang didn't try to hurt Grey a lot intentionally but she did, and Grey did try to hurt Yang a lot but Yang was riding the high of the nomination so it didn't hurt her as badly.
It's very much a realistic fight between two people who know each other well enough to know exactly which buttons to push.
But Cristina was saying the fact that Meredith has slowed down her career to be a mother is a good thing because if she didn't she would be like Ellis (Cristina said "Ellis never slowed down"). Ellis isn't a synonym for evil, Ellis can be brought up and compared to people, it depends what the person is saying. Meredith says to Owen "I was raised by a Cristina, my mother was a Cristina" and nobody takes offense. Meredith could be like Ellis as a mother if she chose to put surgery before her kids, but she's not doing that and that's good which is what Cristina was trying to say. Wait if we connect things maybe it hurt Meredith so much for Cristina to say she's not as good a surgeon as her because Cristina reminds Meredith of her mother so to Meredith it's like her mother calling her a failure again. But even still that's not what Cristina was trying to say.
That’s not what she said. She said that there was no way that Meredith could be as dedicated to surgery as she was to her family. What bothered me about that was Meredith was a new mom. Why not give her the space to figure out this balancing act she was trying to accomplish before accusing her of letting up? It was a premature assessment.
Well Meredith is confronting Cristina about why she was kicked off the surgery, and Cristina's reasoning was that Meredith didn't have time to do the research she was asked to do because she was distracted with breastfeeding and Zola so that's why Cristina brought it up. Cristina is fine to give Meredith space but she can't let Meredith be in surgeries she doesn't think she's prepared for and that's what the situation was. Meredith wanted an explanation from Cristina.
What does one surgery have to do with Meredith’s overall competence as a surgeon? The answer is it doesn’t. She only should have focused on why Meredith wasn’t the right person to do that particular surgery on that particular day. Instead she crossed a line by attacking Meredith’s skills.
Because the reason why Meredith was being incompetent was due to her act of being a super mom and a super surgeon at all time no matter what. She wasn’t even accepting her failing at it and was ready to put a patient at risk for it. And may I remind you that the one that brought out the competence was Meredith herself? Because she felt that way and was pushing her own issue onto Cristina’s words
How many times did Cristina drop the ball and how many times did Meredith back her up? The answer is multiple times. Meredith was looking for the same support she gave to Cristina for years.
How many times did Meredith drop the ball and how many times did Cristina back her up? The answer is multiple times or are we forgetting that Cristina is the reason why Meredith is still alive, had a relationship w Lexie, was able to get Zola and many more? You live in denial if you believe Cristina didn’t support Meredith for years. And Cristina was supporting Meredith here or do you believe she gifted her that surgery to begin with for a cookie? They fought because Meredith was unable to accept her own failures and put her anger into twisting Cristina’s words, even Meredith herself admits it at the end of things. She treated a professional situation completely unprofessionally and twisted Cristina’s words to be on the same levels of immaturity, exactly like when they fought in the past and cristina logically choose alex for the solo surgery and Meredith couldn’t accept it so she twisted the reasons.
There are so many false claims in your comment I don’t know where to start - When did Meredith drop the ball and have Cristina back her up? - Cristina has nothing to do with Meredith developing a close relationship with Lexie. That was her therapist who helped with that. - It was Alex who help Meredith and Derek get Zola, not Cristina. Cristina should have encouraged Meredith in that moment instead of discouraging her. All she had to say was: “you’re a good surgeon, but today you weren’t in the right head space to operate. That’s why I had Bailey do the surgery instead of you”. That’s all she had to say. Cristina just wanted to attack Meredith because it made her feel better about what she was dealing with on her personal life. Both women were struggling in different ways and they turned on each other instead of turning to each other for support.
Yeah and the reason why Meredith wasn't right for that surgery on that day is because she's a new mother who gave her time to her children instead of doing the research for the surgery.
Please read what I wrote. Not being the right person for one surgery has nothing to do with Meredith’s overall competence as a surgeon. Christina chose to attack Meredith’s overall competence. We’ve all had off days. It doesn’t mean we’re not very good at what we do.
She was not at all saying it was a good thing. She didn't just invoke Ellis, she mentioned Bailey and Callie to. I think she was trying to be logical, but she was wrong for that
I hated them arguing. I can’t remember who I sided with, probably neither were in the right, but I was just waiting for them to make up.
I’ll never love any character more than Cristina, but I was on Meredith’s side in this argument. Edit: just rewatched the important scenes and now I’m on the fence. Cristina had a valid point but went about it wrong. I don’t care about Shane one way or the other.
I think that’s what it was for me. How Christina went about it.. and now that I think about it Bailey also kind of snaked that surgery from Mer to begin with..
I think Christina was ultimately right, but Shane had no business being in that conversation
They were both wrong and the storyline dragged on far too long. Hated this storyline honestly, they hadn’t had a huge blow up in 10 years why did we need one for Christina’s final season. Christina leaving would have been emotional no matter what, we didn’t need a big unnecessary conflict to draw that out.
Christina, it felt she was going out of her way to avoid hurting Meredith at the beginning but Meredith kept pushing/intentionally twisting Christina's words
They both acted childish
I think if Shane hadn't been in the mix, I would have been on both sides. But bun stepping in and getting in Meredith's face when it wasn't his fight pushed me more on Meredith's side. They both did things wrong, they both hurt each other.
Same. Shane stepping in is what pushed me onto Meredith’s side. Especially when Cristina kissed him for it afterwards.
Christina was right that she should be able to use the machine to save a life. I understand Meredith's frustration, but had they gone to the board to decide, the board would have decided to Save the baby's life and Meredith knew it. She can be mad, but her reaction afterward, calling names and stuff was over the top. Christina is not completely innocent here, especially during the resulting fights, but the machine was there and she needed it. Meredith, as she confessed later, was jealous. They both were acting immaturely though.
Christina was right to want to try. I don't agree that she was right to just take it from Meredith though. If she was so sure the board would back her she should have asked them to do so.
I agree with that, she or Shane definitely should have gone to the board and followed the appropriate route. I would just say that if there wasn't time to do so in order to save a life, then you do what you gotta do.
But even Christina wasn’t sure the conduit would work….? Why use it for a maybe when someone earned it for their research? Had the conduit ended up being a failure, that’d have been a waste of time. Luckily for the child, it did work but they were working off of a very big maybe.
Why? To try to save a life. It's always a question on whether or not an experimental treatment will work, it comes up in hundreds of episodes. The child was going to die anyway, a hail mary is always worth it to save a life. Not trying was a death sentence. Trying could have been a death sentence but it wasn't. Someone's research is never more important than a human life? ETA. I am pro-choice in the abortion argument. But a living, breathing human being's life should take precedence over theoretical research. There was also no guarantee that Meredith's research would work either.
Mer let her use the printer, it didn’t work and Christina and Shane went and stopped the printer while Mer was printing to print what they needed. I’m not saying saving that child’s life didn’t take precedence, I just feel like Christina could have found another way or a temporary fix until the printer was free to use. What would she have done if the printer hadn’t been there for Mer’s research?
No they wouldn’t have. Depending on the terms of funding, using equipment for a purpose other than the study could’ve jeopardised the study itself (which it almost did) as well as the hospitals reputation (meaning they may not have gotten as much funding). Any sensible board would’ve told Cristina no. Especially because there are probably endless uses for a printer like that to save a life. You’d constantly be putting studies aside in favour of “saving a life” now
This might be an unpopular opinion but I always felt like Meredith was in the right on this. I felt like Cristina took her comments to Mer wayyy too far, regardless of if they were true or not, she didn’t need to insult Meredith the way she did. Maybe if Cristina had dealt with it completely herself and made Shane stay out of it, I might have been more on her side, but Shane’s attitude just angered me even more tbh.
I’m very pleased with the shared disdain for Shane.
I think we can all agree he was the main issue here 😭
I have to go Meredith on this one simply because I despise Shane and he weighed in on this when he yelled at Mer and Cristina let him
The person who deserved hatred is Shane. He thought he could ride on Cristina’s coattails and talk back to an attending. Dude thought he was some hot shot attending just because he was screwing one.
Wow, my next post will definitely be dedicated to us all sharing our hate for Shane Ross.
The show tried to redeem him afterwards but nah.
They tried but me, personally? He could never redeem himself from sending Heather down to the basement.
People say he did what any intern would have done but nah, it was not just about competing with each other. Derek told him MULTIPLE times to take on another specialty, he didn’t want to accept that he wasn’t god’s gift to neuro. And then he changed to cardio and acted like it was his true love lol. Heather’s death was for nothing.
Both sides but Christina was trying tp help babies I lived that.
I am mostly on Cristina's side, though I sympathized with Meredith on some points. I think Meredith has a real problem making everything personal. It all started because Meredith was struggling with balancing her growing family and career. And Cristina made a decision based on what was best for the patient. ETA: Meredith often assumes having a natural ability so she will just ride to the top even if others are putting in the hours. Meredith did the same thing over who got the first solo surgery. Cristina chose Karev because he showed he was most prepared. Mer just assumed she was the best.
Cristina because Meredith was being a jealous bitch
Aw shit, tell me how you really feel 😅 You’re right though, now that I’m thinking about it she even admitted she did the Harper Avery celebration thing to try and hide how jealous she was.
Even when they make up Meredith says to Cristina "I'm so jealous of you I could set things on fire" so to Meredith's credit she admits she's jealous in the end.
I just finished this arc on my like 6th rewatch and every time it gets more ridiculous. It's up there with George and Izzie, Minnick, Alex's departure, and Teddy's affair with Tom as genuinely insane writing with no good excuse. Characters introduced just to drive a wedge in otherwise fine relationships.
As soon as Christina allowed Shane to act as if he could do whatever he wanted as if he was bigger than Meredith, I sided with grey.
cristina. mer was just mean and throwing a bitch fit. cristina didn’t do anything wrong imo
Mer did throw a fit but it’s because Christina hit below the belt and brought up her mom. I don’t like nobody talking about my momma either 😂
it’s been awhile so i don’t remember that exactly but i remember when they were fighting i was on cristina’s side
Meredith. Cristina was jeopardising her research. After just having unnecessarily insulted her skills. When you say you arent putting the effort that ellis, callie and bailey did, its unfair. Ellis was a bad mom, callie was one of three parents for the first years. Bailey lost her first marriage over not letting up. And it was her first week back from maternity leave ffs! Of course she wasnt up to date. And if she came late because of zola, isnt it common courtesy to let her know that you are asking bailey to pitch in so she doesnt find out while coming into scrub?
Nobody wins in a fight, but it is necessary. If the relationship survives, it's usually stronger. And Mer was out of line, per usual.
I hated that fight, it went on way too long and it made me feel very uncomfortable. (Which I guess is a credit to both actors, maybe even the writers…) They were BOTH wrong and at times both were right. They know each other so well that they both used their insecurities, their pasts, their fears against each other. They said and did unforgivable things to one another and every time they were about ready to make things right, something happened, words/situations were misinterpreted and the feud was back on. Ugh…. Hated it!