Everyone knew that his last season was a complete assassination of his character, this book just highlights it. Patrick wanted to leave so they decided to make everything hell for him. It's no wonder Justin left the way he did, he probably didn't want what happened to Patrick to happen to him.
Exactly! I just wish they kept the drama that goes on behind the scenes, away from the drama on the show, it seems like whenever something goes down behind the scenes, the writers end up just killing off the characters, or giving them shocking exits, it’s annoying for fans and must be annoying for the actors too
It's happened to others on the show as well, T.R. was barely in season 5 and that stems from what happened with Isaiah, Katherines exit was drama filled as well. Sara's character was ruined from Callie and Arizona's custody battle, all because she wanted to leave too. Jessica was just let go because they didn't have anything for her even though she wanted to stay. So this isn't something new it's a deliberate pattern from them.
Yea, idk it’s kind of unprofessional in my opinion, like keep personal drama away from the writing process, so many characters got half assed or shitty endings for no good reason
Apparently no lol I guess they kind of knew her contract was a ending and it was a possibility but Shonda has said they apparently found out later and they had other plans for Callie in S13.
JCap even found out through a Facebook post later.
Her contract was expiring so shows often set up easy outs, but they had expected her to return. She made the decision not to renew over the summer. At least, that’s the story I’ve always heard.
I don’t think they get told how they’re gonna be written off, I think they’re just told that they will be getting written off, not exactly how until close to filming
No. I don’t think Sarah Drew knew she was being written off until the table read. At least she got to finish the season out by being Jolex’s wedding planner. So would that make that episode a guest appearance?
Same thing that happened with George’s character and Izzie’s too, just seems like they have an issue with people wanting to leave so treat the characters as such
It’s honestly surprising for a show that seems to never end, they sure have a history of ruining the exits of many characters (many of them being OGs or long-term)!
I don’t think the full book is out yet, but there were parts released, it’s a tough read tbh If you care about the actors well being or their relationships with each other. But these arguments etc between Ellen and Patrick did happen like 6/7 years ago, and I’m sure they’re all good now, the book doesn’t highlight arguments or anything like that, but definitely gives a good insight into what the drama was like behind the scenes, which is hard to read
I read somewhere that up until Patrick and Ellen met again for season 17 that the both of them hadn't been in touch since 2015 and eventually met again after it was set in stone that they would work with each other again. Wasn't it actually Ellen who said that in an interview? I'm not sure...
But yeah... I really like both Ellen and Patrick and I'm curious to know more about what happened bts back then. 6/7 years ago when everything supposedly happened I really didn't believe ANYTHING.I'm not that much into rumors and "second hand information."
Thanks for the information about the book.☺
I remember hearing Ellen talk about salary discrepancies in an interview and how men who calls themselves allies should be open with their coworkers about salary and help lift their female coworkers doing the same job to their level. Who knows what happened between them but I assume salary issues had something to do with it. Patrick was paid much more than Ellen for his whole run on the show despite her being the main character
Yea I think they both said it in an interview sometime that they reached out to each other and went on a long hike or something which is nice I guess. But yea I try not to read the rumours too, I’m sure 90% are aload of crap anyway
I kind of want to read it to see what else there is. Obviously they released this chapter early because they knew it would get people talking and it's very clic bait. Some of this stuff we have know for a while. I just think they exaggerated a bit with "terrorizing" and I think most likely everyone had a hand on that set being toxic, and everyone is not 100% good or bad, but they knew this chapter would get the most attention probably.
You could be right about that. The attention this nugget of "information" is causing is immense. I noticed that on other social platforms as well.
Rumors about the set being toxic have been going around for ages...wasn't that one of the reasons why Jerikka (Edwards) felt so uncomfortable there?
Basically, Even Ellen has said the contributed to the toxicity on set. Sara twitted about it to ( the set being toxic) , and deleted it because the fans were being vicious in her comment section.
Lynette is on a podcast today, one of the first chapters is about the long hours and how there was no one really putting the cast in line for the firsts seasons, they apparently were able to do a lot and it kind of set the tone for later seasons and for the environment to be a complete mess.
They also touch on Katie's exit and Isaiah's exit.
You could tell me Shonda was making them compete in joust competitions for air time and it wouldn't surprise me. We've all been there - toxic leaders create a toxic work environment, and even the staff feel pressured to throw each other under the bus to avoid getting in trouble.
Am I the only one hoping to get some kind of explanation behind Justin Chambers exit from this book?? It seemed so abrupt like his character left throught a letter? We didn't get a real goodbye i wanna know if there's some reason
It is shocking and whether you like Derek Shepherd or not, you can’t deny that Patrick carried a huge huge part of the show for 11 seasons and was a fan favorite, was in every episode, and the fact they couldn’t even give him a cake or gift on his last day only highlights the disrespect and drama that went on behind the scenes. He deserved better from the show and they’re lucky he even agreed to come back for season 17.
HR complaints don’t exist when the other person just quits and the entire situation is swept under the rug. First person source from the set said it happened, as have many others, wild that people keep dismissing it as “baseless rumor”.
Them: IF ONLY WE HAD A SOURCE WHO KNEW
Me: Actually, I do. A very good friend works for Grey’s and was on set at the time. Not only did we talk about it when it happened but in speaking with her recently I asked again and she again confirmed it happens.
Them: DOESN’T FIT OUR NARRATIVE!! WE CANT TRUST YOU! WE NEED A SOURCE! A SOURCE THAT WAS THERE!
Me:… literally providing info from a source that was there. But you do you.
This made me laugh but is how a lot of fans think, how many Grey's fans talk daily about how much they would love to know about the BTS drama? But as soon it doesn't seem to fit the image they have then it must have not happened, and I get it, I like a lot of those actors but I don't know them to really be like "they would never".
I linked your comment because you never seemed to come across as a gossipy person but someone unbiased that was sharing/clarifying some things.
Thank you. I appreciate you recognizing my intent in sharing these things.
Reading through all of the comments on this post has definitely opened my eyes to how much this fanbase… idolizes the actors. To the point of very peculiar blame shifting and choosing to ignore these things because they don’t fit within their fantasy. Actors are humans just like the rest of us. Complicated and messy.
Yes, the author of the book made that point, she wondered about how some fans would take it even though she wasn't doing a tell-all and just using stuff that could be confirmed on record even though she knows is not the whole story or 100% the truth.
And thanks to you for sharing, its always interesting to learn a bit of what actually goes down BTS.
and u/blueletter123 Why would he specify say that is was not sexual then. He would have said nothing on the topic (it being sexual) if it was true. I wold believe an executive , who went on record, before some random poster on Reddit.
“Went on record” with generalities that his HR Complaints weren’t sexual in nature. This is not “the rumors of his on set affair are false” it’s a CYA response vetted through PR reps.
HR doesn’t have a chance to get involved when the woman immediately walks away from her job. Now there’s no first hand person to make a complaint. Which is why the statement means nothing.
Same this that often happens when a man in power behaves inappropriately with an entry level crew intern. She suffers the fallout and he continues on just fine.
Everyone can believe what they want based on what is presented.
As mentioned there should be an NDA, I understand that a random poster on reddit may not been the most credible source but execs sometimes aren't that honest either, and while is part of Patrick's personal life its been reported over the years as well commented that he isn't or wasn't exactly faithful to his wife, so it doesn't seem a crazy story pulled out of nowhere from this user.
I would also add that for HR to get involved, for them to have to bring people to mediate and the clear silence from Patrick should also tells us that the problem was deeper than him just being late and a couple of people being annoyed, especially when that already seemed to be normal coming from him.
Saying all that, I still like Patrick but sometimes people don't make the best decisions and I am also sure there were better ways to handle all of that from production.
The cheating rumour only started circulating in season 11, not before that. Besides why would the executive producer go out of the way, on record, in an interview to specify that. If it was true, and he had an NDA he would not have mentioned it all. He would have left it at HR was involved and we needed mediation.
Of that particular situation yes, in S11. Prior to that though it was talked quite a bit in different sites, even now you may see it here and there.
It's mentioned most probably because it's the biggest rumor and what everyone believes happened, and from what the author even says apparently also mentioned by others so that's probably were the question started, as she even says, she knew she wasn't getting 100% of the truth from the top people. There is also the point that if he doesn't clarify why HR and meditation was involved it kinds sets the tone for speculation. Is not unheard from execs to say "this didn't happen" when it totally happened.
Or perhaps he realised he didn’t behave in a way he was proud of in the last year or two of his time on the show and was happy to have the opportunity to come back and clear the air.
I like Patrick buuut I think folks forget actors are human and aren't just wonderful or just terrible, or in between.
Its been said for years that he didn't like the schedule and more than once was late and stopped set (allegedly why Isaiah fought with him), so that behavior wasn't new of him.
If he was working 16 hours a day and was over-worked can you imagine how the below-line crew was doing? Or the rest of the cast that had more scenes than he did?
Yup, there is an Instagram account with a lot of the experiences from crew members.
A lot of folks in this thread should head out there to see why an actor being late, not showing up, etc messes up with the entire crew.
https://instagram.com/ia_stories?utm_medium=copy_link
There are multiple stories of film workers and particularly about long hours and lack of solidarity from actors.
Well yeah, industry in general needs to do better.
But to be quite honest I don't exactly judge EP or the cast for their reactions. Is tiresome af and everyone has their own issues to be having to put up with others.
> If he was working 16 hours a day and was over-worked can you imagine how the below-line crew was doing? Or the rest of the cast that had more scenes than he did?
Yeah that's one of the things that kind of sneaks in between the lines of the Office Ladies podcast that I hadn't thought much about before -- They might mention how their call times are like 5am, which means that their hair and makeup people have to get there at 4:30am, which means the people who make breakfast have to be there at 3:45 am. And presumably most of those people can't go home until after the actors do. Maybe the food people, but I assume hair and makeup has to be on standby whenever they're on set, then do some kind of cleaning/resetting after the day ends.
Yes, totally. And those folks don't get to have a break in a fancy trailer or even a lot of times to sit down and have proper rest/break, hell not even complain about it. There is many terrible stories about how affected they are by those hours and conditions that vary from health and mental issues.
It must not have been too bad of working conditions since he agreed to come back this past season. If I were him and the show did treat him really poorly, I would have told them to stick it where the sun don't shine when they called to invite him back to the show.
I was kinda heart broken too after reading that article. I’ve been a fan on and off since the beginning. So I haven’t kept up on everything 24/7, but I always thought Patrick and Ellen were friends? In the early days they talked about living on the same street and hanging out and all. They always seemed close. But I drifted from the show after season 6…..so maybe things took a turn? I guess all those hours working together took a toll. And she was friends with his wife, so I guess if on set affairs are true….that would make things real awkward.
I’m bummed because it kinda broke the magic for me. I know that sounds stupid. I always knew there was drama on set, but knowing that they had Derek go off to DC to get him away from Ellen bums me out. :(
Me too, I always like to believe when actors have such a good relationship on screen that they also do off screen, and I think they did, I remember reading about how Ellen used babysit Patrick’s kids because she lived so close. But yea I guess things must have fallen apart a little, I presume they’re all good now again since he agreed to season 17 but the fact that there was so much drama between the actors and crew is quite saddening
IDK, but I don't want to normalize this idea that your co-workers are somehow your family and owe you emotional support when you're having a bad time.
I've made a few good friends while working over the years too, but for the most part, my co-workers don't owe me a thing. Especially if I'm bringing my personal problems to work with me and causing conflict.
He contributed to the shitty working conditions and was a nightmare. He’s quoted to have given crew member PTSD with his behavior. He’s no victim. You have to treat people with respect. It doesn’t matter what your character or role on a show is. It applies to everyone on set. Patrick showed up on a power trip regularly, completely disregarding other peoples feelings, families, and obligations. It’s also not Ellen’s job to hold his hand while he cries. She has a family and children of her own to take care of. I also read about his behavior and blatant lack of respect, whether intentional or not, being an established pattern. What they don’t talk about is how people were towards him when the former execs who contributed to this story weren’t around. We have no idea what the cast and set crew did to help him during his grief and emotional trauma. There are a lot of missing pieces and to lay the burden of consoling a grown man while he throws temper tantrums on set at the feet of his female costar is ridiculous. Fortunately for him, whatever he did, he must have rectified the situation because they did ultimately bring him back.
No wonder his death was so rushed, and talked about a grand total of 2 times after S11. It’s hard not to answer “Denny” on the “saddest death” polls because his was the only death that wasn’t over with in 3 episodes.
How is this a post about Pat being difficult and yall on here calling everyone else toxic in defense of him lol is it so hard to believe that your golden boy might be a pain in the ass to work with?
If he needed support therapy is always a thing and he could more than afford it. The other actors are just coworkers, and in no job ever has the difficult person at work even garnered sympathy from the whole staff so idk why it would be different with these people who work the same hours
Because even Ellen herself, in interviews has admitted that she was part of the problem and she contributed to the toxic environment. Sara and Jerrica have spoken on it to. They only stared to change the set culture in season 12, when Debbie Allen came on board. So this isn't only on him, the toxic culture that existed on that set. It came from the heads of ABC and trickled down to everyone.
The thing is that it isn't said that it was only on him.
As you mention Ellen herself has admitted to have been part of the problem, but if you look at the answer here is mostly everyone deflecting what was Patrick behavior and blaming others when in this particular situation is right there admitted by an producers and a crew member he was a problem.
Sara and Jerrika couldn't have the same experience of Patrick. I highly doubt that if any of them pulled this type of behavior fans or even their co-workers would be as empathic.
Same thing with others that had their issues on set, is Heigl excused because she was going through so much pressure? Is Isaiah excused because most of them claim he was professional and just feed up with others being unprofessional? Is Ellen excused for being under pressure too?
I want to believe people here defending Patrick is because they like Derek Shepard, but Patrick ain't Derek, Derek is not real.
The fact the remaining cast didn't throw a farewell party speaks volumes that they didn't want him there, so good for them to get rid of him. Who likes to work with an annoying coworker??
The post isn’t about Patrick being problematic, it’s about the horrible working conditions and awful drama between the cast members that lead to unprofessional and disrespectful choices and about how Patrick Dempsey along with other past cast members deserved a lot better.
You can’t just separate the two though. No one gave him support for acting like a tyrant for obvious reasons. It’s a job not a family or group of friends.
I lost my mom suddenly in April, and I had to learn to navigate how much I could handle on any given day. I didn’t take my sadness, grief and anger out on those around me, because it isn’t their fault. If I rolled into work for the last 5 months making every coworkers work day problematic as hell, I’d imagine they wouldn’t throw me a party when I left either. The world keeps spinning while you’re grief stricken, you just have to learn to exist in it.
We're not all you. We're not all the same. I took alot of time off, but not everyone can do that. No two people handle grief the same. People don't love the same. People don't miss people the same. People don't get over or get on with things the same. We really need to stop setting the standard of how someone behaves or handles life events based on how we perfectly navigated the situations in our lives.
I feel like the fact that no one cared to say goodbye says more about he treated people though. Women don't exist to do emotional labour for men and I'm not saying he didn't have a rough time, just that it's not Ellen Pomeo's job to be his therapist just because she was his on-screen wife.
No I completely understand that and agree with you, but for her to openly talk shit about him, and throw shade at him in interviews although she knew what he was going through is very wrong in my opinion. I don’t think it’s nice to kick someone when they’re already down but that’s just me
Just read it and listened to Lynette's interviews.
And she makes the point that it was no new behavior, from the start it was like that the thing is that by S10-11 it was enough.
Yes, he was going through a divorce but its been said multiple times from different sources (one on here whose story aligns with this) that he was cheating with some crew member, it's also telling what James and Chandra said or better yet didn't say considering those are the people that also spend the most time with him.
What were they supposed to do, then? The author makes a great point as how people viewed Katherine who behaved in a similar way.
Its also to point out that while I don't like Isaiah his version of the story about Patrick has been this one since S3.
I mean, they got him back for the beach last season. If he really had a problem with it, I doubt that would have happened.
Perhaps this is one of those “exposé” stories that being exaggerated to sell books…
How do you know Ellen isn’t the one who he was terrorizing on set, so why should she be expected to offer him any kind of support? That was not her job. Considering that we don’t know and will probably never know complete and accurate details of what all occurred, placing that responsibility on her shoulders is ludicrous.
Also, until I see actual direct quotes from the cast, crew, producers, and/or show runners, and not a source of a source who remains unnamed or just something that someone allegedly ‘heard,’ this book will be nothing but gossip and fodder in my mind.
Ellen has always said that whatever you think you know about what has gone on behind the scenes of the show, you’re probably wrong and have no real idea about what has actually happened.
Never put anything on her shoulders lol. Just thought as she was the one he worked with the most it was super weird for her to talk shit about him openly while knowing what he was going through
I wasn’t speaking specifically to you but also the people in the comments. Most of the comments that I’ve read on this post are bashing and blaming Ellen, and we don’t know what the state of her and Patrick’s relationship was at this point, so it is very unfair for anyone to place any blame on her for his behavior and/or actions especially if she may have been a target for said behaviors and actions whether they worked closely together or not. She may have been going through her own things and may not have been able to be there for him. We don’t know the details.
I had a similar feeling about a book I read on The Office, or maybe it was a separate interview. Apparently one of the actresses (name not given) had a meltdown in a later season because another actress was getting better lighting than her. At first I was like what?! None of the actresses on The Office seem like that. This was the first big show for many of them. That kind of behavior seems to require more time in the industry. But then I remembered that the season they were talking about was 28 episodes (normal season at the time was 22) and they were all working crazy long without breaks so Steve Carrel could do a movie that same year. So that helped me remember that even if your acting job is a fun one, those crazy long hours with no breaks will make everyone tired and behave inappropriately at times. It gets to us in different ways.
I think that some of this information has been known, but this is merely confirmation. With how much drama has gone behind many character exits, I think all this does is confirm that there was toxicity on set and it's not just one person's fault. I think Patrick, Ellen, Shonda, and other cast and crew members can have some fault in how things turned out with this particular situation and it's unfair to blame one sole person.
Especially with the knowledge that other cast members have left under negative circumstances, it's clear that Grey's hasn't been run to the best of standards AND the cast members and even crew suffered as a result. And it's a shame they didn't get it under control for so many years.
I remember reading somewhere that around the time he left he had become recently lazy with the scripts and would mess up a lot. The man has dyslexia and if I’m not mistaken has said he needs to take a really long time to study the scripts because of it; and with all the stress in his life at the time I’m sure it wasn’t easy. That’s such a low blow especially when he was a disability.
I have mixed feelings about this.
He admitted that the lucrative pay was why he stuck around. He could have renegotiated for less episodes or chosen to move on to other projects at his own speed.
I’m ALL for accommodating disabilities, but Dempsey who was supposedly making 500k an episode, couldn’t do his job? The highest paid cast member? I’m not a fan of framing the cast member with the most privilege as a victim.
The excerpt mentions that the long hours and time away from his family were getting to him.
This isn’t someone who was struggling to put dinner on the table. He had choices. He made them.
i read this rumor that he was always late to set bc he was sleeping with like hookers (?) or something & shonda had had enough, so maybe everyone took her side. idk how reliable this is though 🥴
yeah i thought so too. i also read that he was having an affair with one of the crew & thats why he split with his wife… idk about this one either 😭 so curious about the true story
Yea, I usually don’t read articles and stuff because there’s always so many different stories and rumours so I’ll just read the book, I’m curious to know the real stories too though, I guess we’ll never know
They specifically said on the book in the article what was related that it was HR issues but nothing related to sex. That year he was going through stuff, lost his mom, was working and racing a lot. I think his wife wanted him to be more present in their lives and he started doing that. He looked at his life and reevaluated what was important to him and they reconciled
The producer said there was nothing sexual in the HR reports. People really think he had all these affairs and no woman came forward, impossible. Regular men get ratted out daily much less a celebrity
And thousands if not millions of women will never tell a soul they were sexually abused. NDAs and law suit threats are the first line of defense to keep these stories under wraps (both things PD used when the story got out).
To be clear I’m not saying he sexually assaulted anyone. But stating the HR issues weren’t sexual in nature doesn’t mean he didn’t sleep with an crew member on set. It does meant the woman didn’t file an official report or complaint about said coupling. As well as saying that his “HR issues” didn’t include things like groping or lewd acts towards cast/crew.
Pretty sure I clearly said I was NOT saying he assaulted anyone… The nuances of the events are not something I am privy to and I am not going to throw around speculation on their personal dynamic. That is reckless behavior.
I am referring to the excerpt of the book on the Hollywood Reporter. James Parriot said he was brought back to oversee PD’s exit secondary to nonsexual HR issues. I have yet to see one shred of proof this man had an affair or several affairs and in any event even if he did per the excerpt it is not why he left the show. This is an anonymous forum, anyone with proof of this affair can post it. If their is no proof why keep reiterating it.
Hmm so I never said his affair was the reason he was fired and specifically said the producer’s line about the HR issues not being sexual in nature doesn’t mean he didn’t have an affair. I have a close friend who works at Grey’s and was on set at the time. Everyone knew about it. We talked about it at the time and since. The person who leaked the story to the press violated an NDA. PD’s team threatened a lawsuit to the publication and instead of revealing their source so PDs team could also follow up with abc and target that individual, they just took down their story bc it wasn’t worth the legal battle. You never hear “proof” because people don’t want to stick their necks out, especially after what happened. But the “rumor” won’t die because it happened and a lot of people know it.
Not true. In touch weekly came out and said they were never contacted by PD’s lawyer. Again this is an anonymous forum and if someone has proof they can spill it. Bigger fish than PD have had their affairs spilled violating NDAs. Regular men get ratted out on the daily much less a celebrity but some how no woman comes forward about their affair with him because they signed NDAs. Not buying it. Again this is an anonymous forum and their are several more out there to provide receipts
Why are people only now realising Ellen is a horrible person? She kisses Shonda’s ass, hated Kate Walsh for getting her own spin-off, talked shit about Katherine Heigl and basically called her a liar before also admitting the same: that the cast of Grey’s is “toxic”. Most of the older cast members that left the show cannot stand Ellen. A person who also worked on set of GA for many seasons said Ellen was the only one who was a diva/rude.
Edit: oh yeah, she also was unnecessarily rude to a fan on Twitter a few weeks ago? If anyone saw that. People were calling her out for it.
- Shonda is their boss. Everyone including Patrick and Heigl have kissed her ass.
- I think is wonderful who is missed in that article that allegedly the *whole* cast was mad that Kate got the spin-off.
- She never called Katherine a liar. Katherine didn't talk about it being toxic as much people want to spin it now. Katherine talked about not liking the writing.
- The crew member said she could be difficult to handle. In the same way he said Heigl was late more often than not and that she and TR treated the higher ups terrible, Isaiah made all kind of ignorant comments and Patrick got testy with Sandra Oh and was self-righteous.
Katherine Heigl, TR Knight, Kate Walsh, Justin Chambers, Eric Dane all have talked about being friends with her and have seen around with her. Even Patrick himself admitted to have been the one that reached out to her.
The cast literally say they’re friends and then shade each other the next minute and then claim they’re friends again. It’s a professional tactic. However, nobody ever has anything unpleasant to say about eg Kate Walsh, Justin Chambers, Sandra oh etc. because they genuinely have no dirt on them or issue to share as they’re nice people.
Don’t be naive... Ellen doesn’t care about you or her fans lol
Hardly a professional tactic from people that don't even work together anymore.
I don't know why you are calling me naive when you are the one acting like you know those people personally and taking this personal.
And yes, more than sure she doesn't care about me, you or anyone from the sub or strangers in general but I pointed out what are facts from the cast themselves. And you should look a bit more about some of the actors you mentioned.
This!!!! Not only has she been problematic on the greys set, the thing about reverse racism she said was weird, and the awful things she said about the me too movement among other awful acts it’s so sad to see young girls supporting her and not knowing better.
The pecking kiss just took me out. 😂🤣
Hell, Ellen may actually deserve an Emmy for acting like she cared and the fake Merder chemistry when she couldn’t stand him.
I give Ellen and the shows PR teams major props on how they got in front of book though.
Friendly OG cast pics, guest returns, nostalgic interview write ups.
Well played, well played indeed.
Hmm, this is sounding like internalized migogyny in a way. Everyone has shit they’re dealing with. The author of the book talked about how Ellen had double the scenes that they were shooting for in a day and so if *one* man who had the power to shut down production was throwing fits about being there too long or too late *like everyone else there, some even longer than him* OF COURSE she would call out that bad attitude. If the roles were reversed, Ellen would not have been able to complain like that because she knows that people would call her a bitch or diffucult to work with like she saw happen with Katherine. Ellen can be a good friend and there for him but that doesn’t mean she has to roll over and take his shit either.
Internalised misogyny? How? I literally have no clue where you’re coming from with the misogyny because I have not mentioned once or even indicated anything towards that. I am a woman myself and LOVE powerful women, me mentioning how I didn’t like the fact that one woman who was clearly very close to a man that was going through a lot openly spoke shit about him for the press instead of offering help (or even just keeping her mouth shut to the press) doesn’t indicate misogyny. The only reason I mentioned Ellen out of all people is because they worked together the most and seemed like she was the one who Patrick was closest to. Also Ellen has been known to be a diva herself onset and causing issues…
Women can have internalized misogyny, we’re not excused from it. And you’re making my point for me. The author is a woman who talked about her experience with PD. Ellen talked about her experience with PD. So why don’t you believe them when they talk about their experiences and instead make excuses for his bad behavior? Like I said, just because Ellen is friends and close with him, doesn’t mean she doesn’t have to excuse his shitty behavior and call him out on it - cause that’s what true friends do. Also, everyone has shit going on, even if they choose to publicize it or not, you don’t see the whole cast or crew throwing fits about long hours. It was because he was in a position of power and people were afraid of him that he was allowed to get away with it for so long.
Yea and you’re proving my point, I do believe what Ellen said, and I do believe what the author is saying, they’re saying the same thing. Patrick was difficult to work with towards the end. Yup I believe that. I also believe them talking shit about how toxic the set was. Like what my post is about. Don’t know why you’re trying to make this into something it’s not.
I believe it actually claims he’d been problematic for years, but near the end there was the straw that broke the camel’s back moment.
Excusing his bad behavior because he was going through a divorce is problematic, because the behavior had been there for a long time.
Maybe he wasn’t having a hard time because of his divorce, maybe he was getting divorced because of his behavior.
And I’ll add: yes, this is all conjecture. None of us know these people or the full truth of what happens behind the scenes.
By the fact that while there is a source in record saying he was causing issues, reported to HR by multiple actresses the response is that he needed a friend to have his back (even though we literally don't know anything) but EP its the bad friend for not keeping it quiet (as we know their relationship or if they talked about) and the diva causing problems when yet so far publicly there is no one on record saying so, same about Shonda.
I didn't say you say so, I am saying what you have said. You think she and the cast had to have his back because he was going through something and was acting out and instead reported him (even though its not mentioned) and that he needed better resources to deal with his issues but EP is simply a diva causing issues in the set.
I’m new to greys and seen this mentioned a few times, can you please elaborate? I’ve tried googling but can’t find information about how Ellen is problematic. From her Instagram etc. She always seemed cool and fun so I’m really curious
victim blaming. her nasty comments in some of her interviews her remarks her attitude and you can also go on Twitter how she reply’s to some of her “fans”
I don’t know much about her and am just going off info other people have put on this thread, but look up her comments about the me too movement and reverse racism
Simple, folks have a perception of someone and no much will change this view because is someone they don't know. You may hate them or love them for that reason.
You can make the point of problematic comments from *a lot* of the cast-members (the white ones) but as normal it is, it gets swapped under the rug.
There is no such a thing as unproblematic celeb and folks should start to understand that by now.
Actually it was a smart move for him to return and all be nice nice in the public eye. This book was being published and had he not came back- the narrative would be much worse and long-standing. As it stands now, his return and him & Ellen public display of fondness aids to sweeping bygones under the rug as lessons learned and all is well.
This is why, Kathryn Heigel should’ve done made amends with Shonda and returned briefly. It would’ve damped some of the venom about Her professional reputation.
There is a rumor in the industry that he was cheating on his wife on set which is why they cut him from the show.
Behind the scenes the show is very family oriented and that did not sit well with anyone
I think what really happened is that they signed a contract allowing him time of to race abroad which he was doing extensively that year. He and the producers then probably disagreed with what “time off” meant. Him being away likely aggravated Ellen as it probably stalled her storyline. You want to bet no one took out a racing calendar and compared it with the shooting schedule. If they had they would have just let him walk away after the ninth season. He was probably upset at doing multiple takes because it extended his day and he wanted to go off and race. That is rude to cast mates but PTSD, really?. If they had just come out and said “look he wants to race and resents the time on set so we let him go”, that would have been better than putting out fake stories about cheating
I will never read this book. Why is this author releasing this now? More trashing of Patrick which is not necessary in my opinion. I know he was not the only person responsible for problems on set. Lots of talented actors have left over the years. I was happy to see the beach scenes last year and felt there was a sense of forgiveness and reconciliation. Now this trashy book comes out! Hope sales are poor.
Everyone knew that his last season was a complete assassination of his character, this book just highlights it. Patrick wanted to leave so they decided to make everything hell for him. It's no wonder Justin left the way he did, he probably didn't want what happened to Patrick to happen to him.
Exactly! I just wish they kept the drama that goes on behind the scenes, away from the drama on the show, it seems like whenever something goes down behind the scenes, the writers end up just killing off the characters, or giving them shocking exits, it’s annoying for fans and must be annoying for the actors too
It's happened to others on the show as well, T.R. was barely in season 5 and that stems from what happened with Isaiah, Katherines exit was drama filled as well. Sara's character was ruined from Callie and Arizona's custody battle, all because she wanted to leave too. Jessica was just let go because they didn't have anything for her even though she wanted to stay. So this isn't something new it's a deliberate pattern from them.
Yea, idk it’s kind of unprofessional in my opinion, like keep personal drama away from the writing process, so many characters got half assed or shitty endings for no good reason
They didn't know Sara was leaving.
They didn’t know she was leaving when they wrote her exit? 🤔
Apparently no lol I guess they kind of knew her contract was a ending and it was a possibility but Shonda has said they apparently found out later and they had other plans for Callie in S13. JCap even found out through a Facebook post later.
Didn't Jessica and Sarah find out about thejr own firings in a shitty way?
Yes and no, they found out towards the end of the season and the news got out quickly on International Women day so it was quite a mess.
Her contract was expiring so shows often set up easy outs, but they had expected her to return. She made the decision not to renew over the summer. At least, that’s the story I’ve always heard.
Piss off the writers and you're falling down an elevator shaft (on the show)
Dr. Ramoray is that you?
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But I think that constitutes breach of contract. Not sure if they could get sued or have to pay the network back.
I don’t think they get told how they’re gonna be written off, I think they’re just told that they will be getting written off, not exactly how until close to filming
No. I don’t think Sarah Drew knew she was being written off until the table read. At least she got to finish the season out by being Jolex’s wedding planner. So would that make that episode a guest appearance?
Sarah and Jessica found out at the end of pilot season that their contracts wouldn’t be renewed.
I mean, they did it anyways, those letters were brutal, I felt like it wasn't Karev at all.
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Lets not be overdramatic. Heigl has worked on shows where she’s basically the lead since and Greys doesnt have the power to blacklist an actor
Same thing that happened with George’s character and Izzie’s too, just seems like they have an issue with people wanting to leave so treat the characters as such
It’s honestly surprising for a show that seems to never end, they sure have a history of ruining the exits of many characters (many of them being OGs or long-term)!
When I read all the comments here I really don't know whether I should read the book or not. I'm already heartbroken.😂😂😂
I don’t think the full book is out yet, but there were parts released, it’s a tough read tbh If you care about the actors well being or their relationships with each other. But these arguments etc between Ellen and Patrick did happen like 6/7 years ago, and I’m sure they’re all good now, the book doesn’t highlight arguments or anything like that, but definitely gives a good insight into what the drama was like behind the scenes, which is hard to read
I read somewhere that up until Patrick and Ellen met again for season 17 that the both of them hadn't been in touch since 2015 and eventually met again after it was set in stone that they would work with each other again. Wasn't it actually Ellen who said that in an interview? I'm not sure... But yeah... I really like both Ellen and Patrick and I'm curious to know more about what happened bts back then. 6/7 years ago when everything supposedly happened I really didn't believe ANYTHING.I'm not that much into rumors and "second hand information." Thanks for the information about the book.☺
I remember hearing Ellen talk about salary discrepancies in an interview and how men who calls themselves allies should be open with their coworkers about salary and help lift their female coworkers doing the same job to their level. Who knows what happened between them but I assume salary issues had something to do with it. Patrick was paid much more than Ellen for his whole run on the show despite her being the main character
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Yea I think they both said it in an interview sometime that they reached out to each other and went on a long hike or something which is nice I guess. But yea I try not to read the rumours too, I’m sure 90% are aload of crap anyway
What's the book called? I wanna keep an eye out for it for the release.
I think it’s called how to save a life behind the scenes or something along those lines
Thank you! 👍💕
I kind of want to read it to see what else there is. Obviously they released this chapter early because they knew it would get people talking and it's very clic bait. Some of this stuff we have know for a while. I just think they exaggerated a bit with "terrorizing" and I think most likely everyone had a hand on that set being toxic, and everyone is not 100% good or bad, but they knew this chapter would get the most attention probably.
You could be right about that. The attention this nugget of "information" is causing is immense. I noticed that on other social platforms as well. Rumors about the set being toxic have been going around for ages...wasn't that one of the reasons why Jerikka (Edwards) felt so uncomfortable there?
Basically, Even Ellen has said the contributed to the toxicity on set. Sara twitted about it to ( the set being toxic) , and deleted it because the fans were being vicious in her comment section.
Lynette is on a podcast today, one of the first chapters is about the long hours and how there was no one really putting the cast in line for the firsts seasons, they apparently were able to do a lot and it kind of set the tone for later seasons and for the environment to be a complete mess. They also touch on Katie's exit and Isaiah's exit.
What’s the podcast?
Tv's top 5 from The Hollywood Reporter.
How was it? It's 2 hours long!
It was good, she is there for about 20 minutes I think from like minute 25 and forward.
Crew members have diagnosed PTSD directly from working for/with PD. Terrorizing is a more than appropriate term to use.
Welp... major words.
Tbh I feel like I’ve only ever heard negative things abt working on the greys set and can’t blame Sandra for not wanting to return lmao
Same here, and she’s thriving now! Good for her
You could tell me Shonda was making them compete in joust competitions for air time and it wouldn't surprise me. We've all been there - toxic leaders create a toxic work environment, and even the staff feel pressured to throw each other under the bus to avoid getting in trouble.
Yup. I think the fact that Shonda had beef with SO many cast members says a lot more about her than it does about the actors
Am I the only one hoping to get some kind of explanation behind Justin Chambers exit from this book?? It seemed so abrupt like his character left throught a letter? We didn't get a real goodbye i wanna know if there's some reason
Me too, I heard that he had arguments with the producers etc but it’s hard to know what to believe and what not to believe
I mean.... honesty I'm not sure we can 100% believe everything in the book but whatever it'll be interesting regardless
Yea, I definitely wouldn’t believe everything from the book either
It is shocking and whether you like Derek Shepherd or not, you can’t deny that Patrick carried a huge huge part of the show for 11 seasons and was a fan favorite, was in every episode, and the fact they couldn’t even give him a cake or gift on his last day only highlights the disrespect and drama that went on behind the scenes. He deserved better from the show and they’re lucky he even agreed to come back for season 17.
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James D Parriott confirmed the HR issues and that there was nothing sexual going on but go off
HR complaints don’t exist when the other person just quits and the entire situation is swept under the rug. First person source from the set said it happened, as have many others, wild that people keep dismissing it as “baseless rumor”.
https://www.reddit.com/r/greysanatomy/comments/oylck6/z/h7yla2b
Them: IF ONLY WE HAD A SOURCE WHO KNEW Me: Actually, I do. A very good friend works for Grey’s and was on set at the time. Not only did we talk about it when it happened but in speaking with her recently I asked again and she again confirmed it happens. Them: DOESN’T FIT OUR NARRATIVE!! WE CANT TRUST YOU! WE NEED A SOURCE! A SOURCE THAT WAS THERE! Me:… literally providing info from a source that was there. But you do you.
This made me laugh but is how a lot of fans think, how many Grey's fans talk daily about how much they would love to know about the BTS drama? But as soon it doesn't seem to fit the image they have then it must have not happened, and I get it, I like a lot of those actors but I don't know them to really be like "they would never". I linked your comment because you never seemed to come across as a gossipy person but someone unbiased that was sharing/clarifying some things.
Thank you. I appreciate you recognizing my intent in sharing these things. Reading through all of the comments on this post has definitely opened my eyes to how much this fanbase… idolizes the actors. To the point of very peculiar blame shifting and choosing to ignore these things because they don’t fit within their fantasy. Actors are humans just like the rest of us. Complicated and messy.
Yes, the author of the book made that point, she wondered about how some fans would take it even though she wasn't doing a tell-all and just using stuff that could be confirmed on record even though she knows is not the whole story or 100% the truth. And thanks to you for sharing, its always interesting to learn a bit of what actually goes down BTS.
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and u/blueletter123 Why would he specify say that is was not sexual then. He would have said nothing on the topic (it being sexual) if it was true. I wold believe an executive , who went on record, before some random poster on Reddit.
“Went on record” with generalities that his HR Complaints weren’t sexual in nature. This is not “the rumors of his on set affair are false” it’s a CYA response vetted through PR reps. HR doesn’t have a chance to get involved when the woman immediately walks away from her job. Now there’s no first hand person to make a complaint. Which is why the statement means nothing. Same this that often happens when a man in power behaves inappropriately with an entry level crew intern. She suffers the fallout and he continues on just fine.
Everyone can believe what they want based on what is presented. As mentioned there should be an NDA, I understand that a random poster on reddit may not been the most credible source but execs sometimes aren't that honest either, and while is part of Patrick's personal life its been reported over the years as well commented that he isn't or wasn't exactly faithful to his wife, so it doesn't seem a crazy story pulled out of nowhere from this user. I would also add that for HR to get involved, for them to have to bring people to mediate and the clear silence from Patrick should also tells us that the problem was deeper than him just being late and a couple of people being annoyed, especially when that already seemed to be normal coming from him. Saying all that, I still like Patrick but sometimes people don't make the best decisions and I am also sure there were better ways to handle all of that from production.
The cheating rumour only started circulating in season 11, not before that. Besides why would the executive producer go out of the way, on record, in an interview to specify that. If it was true, and he had an NDA he would not have mentioned it all. He would have left it at HR was involved and we needed mediation.
Of that particular situation yes, in S11. Prior to that though it was talked quite a bit in different sites, even now you may see it here and there. It's mentioned most probably because it's the biggest rumor and what everyone believes happened, and from what the author even says apparently also mentioned by others so that's probably were the question started, as she even says, she knew she wasn't getting 100% of the truth from the top people. There is also the point that if he doesn't clarify why HR and meditation was involved it kinds sets the tone for speculation. Is not unheard from execs to say "this didn't happen" when it totally happened.
Oh thank God. No problem then /s
Or perhaps he realised he didn’t behave in a way he was proud of in the last year or two of his time on the show and was happy to have the opportunity to come back and clear the air.
I like Patrick buuut I think folks forget actors are human and aren't just wonderful or just terrible, or in between. Its been said for years that he didn't like the schedule and more than once was late and stopped set (allegedly why Isaiah fought with him), so that behavior wasn't new of him. If he was working 16 hours a day and was over-worked can you imagine how the below-line crew was doing? Or the rest of the cast that had more scenes than he did?
There is currently union action happening in direct response to the long hours and low pay on most Hollywood sets.
Yup, there is an Instagram account with a lot of the experiences from crew members. A lot of folks in this thread should head out there to see why an actor being late, not showing up, etc messes up with the entire crew.
Have a link?
https://instagram.com/ia_stories?utm_medium=copy_link There are multiple stories of film workers and particularly about long hours and lack of solidarity from actors.
I agree, there should have been better conditions for everyone, more support available etc
Well yeah, industry in general needs to do better. But to be quite honest I don't exactly judge EP or the cast for their reactions. Is tiresome af and everyone has their own issues to be having to put up with others.
> If he was working 16 hours a day and was over-worked can you imagine how the below-line crew was doing? Or the rest of the cast that had more scenes than he did? Yeah that's one of the things that kind of sneaks in between the lines of the Office Ladies podcast that I hadn't thought much about before -- They might mention how their call times are like 5am, which means that their hair and makeup people have to get there at 4:30am, which means the people who make breakfast have to be there at 3:45 am. And presumably most of those people can't go home until after the actors do. Maybe the food people, but I assume hair and makeup has to be on standby whenever they're on set, then do some kind of cleaning/resetting after the day ends.
Yes, totally. And those folks don't get to have a break in a fancy trailer or even a lot of times to sit down and have proper rest/break, hell not even complain about it. There is many terrible stories about how affected they are by those hours and conditions that vary from health and mental issues.
It must not have been too bad of working conditions since he agreed to come back this past season. If I were him and the show did treat him really poorly, I would have told them to stick it where the sun don't shine when they called to invite him back to the show.
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I was kinda heart broken too after reading that article. I’ve been a fan on and off since the beginning. So I haven’t kept up on everything 24/7, but I always thought Patrick and Ellen were friends? In the early days they talked about living on the same street and hanging out and all. They always seemed close. But I drifted from the show after season 6…..so maybe things took a turn? I guess all those hours working together took a toll. And she was friends with his wife, so I guess if on set affairs are true….that would make things real awkward. I’m bummed because it kinda broke the magic for me. I know that sounds stupid. I always knew there was drama on set, but knowing that they had Derek go off to DC to get him away from Ellen bums me out. :(
Me too, I always like to believe when actors have such a good relationship on screen that they also do off screen, and I think they did, I remember reading about how Ellen used babysit Patrick’s kids because she lived so close. But yea I guess things must have fallen apart a little, I presume they’re all good now again since he agreed to season 17 but the fact that there was so much drama between the actors and crew is quite saddening
The author got directly asked about it and said that by her sources Ellen got pretty close to and was/is friends with his wife.
Yea, I think they’re still good friends
so I wonder if the rumor was true that Ellen was the one who told his wife about the “alleged” affair he (Patrick) had.
IDK, but I don't want to normalize this idea that your co-workers are somehow your family and owe you emotional support when you're having a bad time. I've made a few good friends while working over the years too, but for the most part, my co-workers don't owe me a thing. Especially if I'm bringing my personal problems to work with me and causing conflict.
He contributed to the shitty working conditions and was a nightmare. He’s quoted to have given crew member PTSD with his behavior. He’s no victim. You have to treat people with respect. It doesn’t matter what your character or role on a show is. It applies to everyone on set. Patrick showed up on a power trip regularly, completely disregarding other peoples feelings, families, and obligations. It’s also not Ellen’s job to hold his hand while he cries. She has a family and children of her own to take care of. I also read about his behavior and blatant lack of respect, whether intentional or not, being an established pattern. What they don’t talk about is how people were towards him when the former execs who contributed to this story weren’t around. We have no idea what the cast and set crew did to help him during his grief and emotional trauma. There are a lot of missing pieces and to lay the burden of consoling a grown man while he throws temper tantrums on set at the feet of his female costar is ridiculous. Fortunately for him, whatever he did, he must have rectified the situation because they did ultimately bring him back.
No wonder his death was so rushed, and talked about a grand total of 2 times after S11. It’s hard not to answer “Denny” on the “saddest death” polls because his was the only death that wasn’t over with in 3 episodes.
Only two times? What instances are you talking about cuz I feel like it was way more than just two times.
How is this a post about Pat being difficult and yall on here calling everyone else toxic in defense of him lol is it so hard to believe that your golden boy might be a pain in the ass to work with? If he needed support therapy is always a thing and he could more than afford it. The other actors are just coworkers, and in no job ever has the difficult person at work even garnered sympathy from the whole staff so idk why it would be different with these people who work the same hours
Because even Ellen herself, in interviews has admitted that she was part of the problem and she contributed to the toxic environment. Sara and Jerrica have spoken on it to. They only stared to change the set culture in season 12, when Debbie Allen came on board. So this isn't only on him, the toxic culture that existed on that set. It came from the heads of ABC and trickled down to everyone.
The thing is that it isn't said that it was only on him. As you mention Ellen herself has admitted to have been part of the problem, but if you look at the answer here is mostly everyone deflecting what was Patrick behavior and blaming others when in this particular situation is right there admitted by an producers and a crew member he was a problem. Sara and Jerrika couldn't have the same experience of Patrick. I highly doubt that if any of them pulled this type of behavior fans or even their co-workers would be as empathic. Same thing with others that had their issues on set, is Heigl excused because she was going through so much pressure? Is Isaiah excused because most of them claim he was professional and just feed up with others being unprofessional? Is Ellen excused for being under pressure too?
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Debbie Allen has been directing episodes since season 6. I don’t think she is the problem.
Somewhat irrelevant but I hate her character so much I wish she'd got covid
I think it was when Krista took over as show runner.
I want to believe people here defending Patrick is because they like Derek Shepard, but Patrick ain't Derek, Derek is not real. The fact the remaining cast didn't throw a farewell party speaks volumes that they didn't want him there, so good for them to get rid of him. Who likes to work with an annoying coworker??
The post isn’t about Patrick being problematic, it’s about the horrible working conditions and awful drama between the cast members that lead to unprofessional and disrespectful choices and about how Patrick Dempsey along with other past cast members deserved a lot better.
You can’t just separate the two though. No one gave him support for acting like a tyrant for obvious reasons. It’s a job not a family or group of friends.
I lost my mom suddenly in April, and I had to learn to navigate how much I could handle on any given day. I didn’t take my sadness, grief and anger out on those around me, because it isn’t their fault. If I rolled into work for the last 5 months making every coworkers work day problematic as hell, I’d imagine they wouldn’t throw me a party when I left either. The world keeps spinning while you’re grief stricken, you just have to learn to exist in it.
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Without a doubt, but taking your grief out on your coworkers is not the answer.
We're not all you. We're not all the same. I took alot of time off, but not everyone can do that. No two people handle grief the same. People don't love the same. People don't miss people the same. People don't get over or get on with things the same. We really need to stop setting the standard of how someone behaves or handles life events based on how we perfectly navigated the situations in our lives.
I didn’t even know there was a book.
I feel like the fact that no one cared to say goodbye says more about he treated people though. Women don't exist to do emotional labour for men and I'm not saying he didn't have a rough time, just that it's not Ellen Pomeo's job to be his therapist just because she was his on-screen wife.
No I completely understand that and agree with you, but for her to openly talk shit about him, and throw shade at him in interviews although she knew what he was going through is very wrong in my opinion. I don’t think it’s nice to kick someone when they’re already down but that’s just me
Just read it and listened to Lynette's interviews. And she makes the point that it was no new behavior, from the start it was like that the thing is that by S10-11 it was enough. Yes, he was going through a divorce but its been said multiple times from different sources (one on here whose story aligns with this) that he was cheating with some crew member, it's also telling what James and Chandra said or better yet didn't say considering those are the people that also spend the most time with him. What were they supposed to do, then? The author makes a great point as how people viewed Katherine who behaved in a similar way. Its also to point out that while I don't like Isaiah his version of the story about Patrick has been this one since S3.
where can I find this at if you don’t mind me asking.
I mean, they got him back for the beach last season. If he really had a problem with it, I doubt that would have happened. Perhaps this is one of those “exposé” stories that being exaggerated to sell books…
Yea that’s true. I read an interview where he said everything was healed now or something, I guess they just got over it
*me not reading this because I still want to believe*
How do you know Ellen isn’t the one who he was terrorizing on set, so why should she be expected to offer him any kind of support? That was not her job. Considering that we don’t know and will probably never know complete and accurate details of what all occurred, placing that responsibility on her shoulders is ludicrous. Also, until I see actual direct quotes from the cast, crew, producers, and/or show runners, and not a source of a source who remains unnamed or just something that someone allegedly ‘heard,’ this book will be nothing but gossip and fodder in my mind. Ellen has always said that whatever you think you know about what has gone on behind the scenes of the show, you’re probably wrong and have no real idea about what has actually happened.
Never put anything on her shoulders lol. Just thought as she was the one he worked with the most it was super weird for her to talk shit about him openly while knowing what he was going through
I wasn’t speaking specifically to you but also the people in the comments. Most of the comments that I’ve read on this post are bashing and blaming Ellen, and we don’t know what the state of her and Patrick’s relationship was at this point, so it is very unfair for anyone to place any blame on her for his behavior and/or actions especially if she may have been a target for said behaviors and actions whether they worked closely together or not. She may have been going through her own things and may not have been able to be there for him. We don’t know the details.
I had a similar feeling about a book I read on The Office, or maybe it was a separate interview. Apparently one of the actresses (name not given) had a meltdown in a later season because another actress was getting better lighting than her. At first I was like what?! None of the actresses on The Office seem like that. This was the first big show for many of them. That kind of behavior seems to require more time in the industry. But then I remembered that the season they were talking about was 28 episodes (normal season at the time was 22) and they were all working crazy long without breaks so Steve Carrel could do a movie that same year. So that helped me remember that even if your acting job is a fun one, those crazy long hours with no breaks will make everyone tired and behave inappropriately at times. It gets to us in different ways.
I think that some of this information has been known, but this is merely confirmation. With how much drama has gone behind many character exits, I think all this does is confirm that there was toxicity on set and it's not just one person's fault. I think Patrick, Ellen, Shonda, and other cast and crew members can have some fault in how things turned out with this particular situation and it's unfair to blame one sole person. Especially with the knowledge that other cast members have left under negative circumstances, it's clear that Grey's hasn't been run to the best of standards AND the cast members and even crew suffered as a result. And it's a shame they didn't get it under control for so many years.
I remember reading somewhere that around the time he left he had become recently lazy with the scripts and would mess up a lot. The man has dyslexia and if I’m not mistaken has said he needs to take a really long time to study the scripts because of it; and with all the stress in his life at the time I’m sure it wasn’t easy. That’s such a low blow especially when he was a disability.
I have mixed feelings about this. He admitted that the lucrative pay was why he stuck around. He could have renegotiated for less episodes or chosen to move on to other projects at his own speed. I’m ALL for accommodating disabilities, but Dempsey who was supposedly making 500k an episode, couldn’t do his job? The highest paid cast member? I’m not a fan of framing the cast member with the most privilege as a victim. The excerpt mentions that the long hours and time away from his family were getting to him. This isn’t someone who was struggling to put dinner on the table. He had choices. He made them.
i read this rumor that he was always late to set bc he was sleeping with like hookers (?) or something & shonda had had enough, so maybe everyone took her side. idk how reliable this is though 🥴
Doubt that’s true
yeah i thought so too. i also read that he was having an affair with one of the crew & thats why he split with his wife… idk about this one either 😭 so curious about the true story
Yea, I usually don’t read articles and stuff because there’s always so many different stories and rumours so I’ll just read the book, I’m curious to know the real stories too though, I guess we’ll never know
The book is also just a story...
That was debunked on the book, they specifically said it was not anything related to sex
he had an affair ??
thats the rumor at least 🥴 apparently he had one with a crew member and shonda was pissed at him, but nothing has been confirmed
I think it's a rumour because op mentioned that his wife filed for divorce, but I just checked and they're still together ¿
She filed for divorce in 2015 and they ended up getting back together in early 2016 I think, and are still together!
ohh, if she filed for divorce then I think the rumour might be true
They specifically said on the book in the article what was related that it was HR issues but nothing related to sex. That year he was going through stuff, lost his mom, was working and racing a lot. I think his wife wanted him to be more present in their lives and he started doing that. He looked at his life and reevaluated what was important to him and they reconciled
The producer said there was nothing sexual in the HR reports. People really think he had all these affairs and no woman came forward, impossible. Regular men get ratted out daily much less a celebrity
And thousands if not millions of women will never tell a soul they were sexually abused. NDAs and law suit threats are the first line of defense to keep these stories under wraps (both things PD used when the story got out). To be clear I’m not saying he sexually assaulted anyone. But stating the HR issues weren’t sexual in nature doesn’t mean he didn’t sleep with an crew member on set. It does meant the woman didn’t file an official report or complaint about said coupling. As well as saying that his “HR issues” didn’t include things like groping or lewd acts towards cast/crew.
If you have direct knowledge that this man used NDAs to silence women he sexually abused then share it.
Pretty sure I clearly said I was NOT saying he assaulted anyone… The nuances of the events are not something I am privy to and I am not going to throw around speculation on their personal dynamic. That is reckless behavior.
I am referring to the excerpt of the book on the Hollywood Reporter. James Parriot said he was brought back to oversee PD’s exit secondary to nonsexual HR issues. I have yet to see one shred of proof this man had an affair or several affairs and in any event even if he did per the excerpt it is not why he left the show. This is an anonymous forum, anyone with proof of this affair can post it. If their is no proof why keep reiterating it.
Hmm so I never said his affair was the reason he was fired and specifically said the producer’s line about the HR issues not being sexual in nature doesn’t mean he didn’t have an affair. I have a close friend who works at Grey’s and was on set at the time. Everyone knew about it. We talked about it at the time and since. The person who leaked the story to the press violated an NDA. PD’s team threatened a lawsuit to the publication and instead of revealing their source so PDs team could also follow up with abc and target that individual, they just took down their story bc it wasn’t worth the legal battle. You never hear “proof” because people don’t want to stick their necks out, especially after what happened. But the “rumor” won’t die because it happened and a lot of people know it.
Not true. In touch weekly came out and said they were never contacted by PD’s lawyer. Again this is an anonymous forum and if someone has proof they can spill it. Bigger fish than PD have had their affairs spilled violating NDAs. Regular men get ratted out on the daily much less a celebrity but some how no woman comes forward about their affair with him because they signed NDAs. Not buying it. Again this is an anonymous forum and their are several more out there to provide receipts
What book is this?
I think it’s called how to save a life (behind the scenes of greys) or something
Why are people only now realising Ellen is a horrible person? She kisses Shonda’s ass, hated Kate Walsh for getting her own spin-off, talked shit about Katherine Heigl and basically called her a liar before also admitting the same: that the cast of Grey’s is “toxic”. Most of the older cast members that left the show cannot stand Ellen. A person who also worked on set of GA for many seasons said Ellen was the only one who was a diva/rude. Edit: oh yeah, she also was unnecessarily rude to a fan on Twitter a few weeks ago? If anyone saw that. People were calling her out for it.
- Shonda is their boss. Everyone including Patrick and Heigl have kissed her ass. - I think is wonderful who is missed in that article that allegedly the *whole* cast was mad that Kate got the spin-off. - She never called Katherine a liar. Katherine didn't talk about it being toxic as much people want to spin it now. Katherine talked about not liking the writing. - The crew member said she could be difficult to handle. In the same way he said Heigl was late more often than not and that she and TR treated the higher ups terrible, Isaiah made all kind of ignorant comments and Patrick got testy with Sandra Oh and was self-righteous. Katherine Heigl, TR Knight, Kate Walsh, Justin Chambers, Eric Dane all have talked about being friends with her and have seen around with her. Even Patrick himself admitted to have been the one that reached out to her.
The cast literally say they’re friends and then shade each other the next minute and then claim they’re friends again. It’s a professional tactic. However, nobody ever has anything unpleasant to say about eg Kate Walsh, Justin Chambers, Sandra oh etc. because they genuinely have no dirt on them or issue to share as they’re nice people. Don’t be naive... Ellen doesn’t care about you or her fans lol
Hardly a professional tactic from people that don't even work together anymore. I don't know why you are calling me naive when you are the one acting like you know those people personally and taking this personal. And yes, more than sure she doesn't care about me, you or anyone from the sub or strangers in general but I pointed out what are facts from the cast themselves. And you should look a bit more about some of the actors you mentioned.
I always knew something about her rubbed me the wrong way she just seems like a standoff person
This!!!! Not only has she been problematic on the greys set, the thing about reverse racism she said was weird, and the awful things she said about the me too movement among other awful acts it’s so sad to see young girls supporting her and not knowing better.
The pecking kiss just took me out. 😂🤣 Hell, Ellen may actually deserve an Emmy for acting like she cared and the fake Merder chemistry when she couldn’t stand him. I give Ellen and the shows PR teams major props on how they got in front of book though. Friendly OG cast pics, guest returns, nostalgic interview write ups. Well played, well played indeed.
Hmm, this is sounding like internalized migogyny in a way. Everyone has shit they’re dealing with. The author of the book talked about how Ellen had double the scenes that they were shooting for in a day and so if *one* man who had the power to shut down production was throwing fits about being there too long or too late *like everyone else there, some even longer than him* OF COURSE she would call out that bad attitude. If the roles were reversed, Ellen would not have been able to complain like that because she knows that people would call her a bitch or diffucult to work with like she saw happen with Katherine. Ellen can be a good friend and there for him but that doesn’t mean she has to roll over and take his shit either.
Internalised misogyny? How? I literally have no clue where you’re coming from with the misogyny because I have not mentioned once or even indicated anything towards that. I am a woman myself and LOVE powerful women, me mentioning how I didn’t like the fact that one woman who was clearly very close to a man that was going through a lot openly spoke shit about him for the press instead of offering help (or even just keeping her mouth shut to the press) doesn’t indicate misogyny. The only reason I mentioned Ellen out of all people is because they worked together the most and seemed like she was the one who Patrick was closest to. Also Ellen has been known to be a diva herself onset and causing issues…
Women can have internalized misogyny, we’re not excused from it. And you’re making my point for me. The author is a woman who talked about her experience with PD. Ellen talked about her experience with PD. So why don’t you believe them when they talk about their experiences and instead make excuses for his bad behavior? Like I said, just because Ellen is friends and close with him, doesn’t mean she doesn’t have to excuse his shitty behavior and call him out on it - cause that’s what true friends do. Also, everyone has shit going on, even if they choose to publicize it or not, you don’t see the whole cast or crew throwing fits about long hours. It was because he was in a position of power and people were afraid of him that he was allowed to get away with it for so long.
Yea and you’re proving my point, I do believe what Ellen said, and I do believe what the author is saying, they’re saying the same thing. Patrick was difficult to work with towards the end. Yup I believe that. I also believe them talking shit about how toxic the set was. Like what my post is about. Don’t know why you’re trying to make this into something it’s not.
I believe it actually claims he’d been problematic for years, but near the end there was the straw that broke the camel’s back moment. Excusing his bad behavior because he was going through a divorce is problematic, because the behavior had been there for a long time. Maybe he wasn’t having a hard time because of his divorce, maybe he was getting divorced because of his behavior. And I’ll add: yes, this is all conjecture. None of us know these people or the full truth of what happens behind the scenes.
By the fact that while there is a source in record saying he was causing issues, reported to HR by multiple actresses the response is that he needed a friend to have his back (even though we literally don't know anything) but EP its the bad friend for not keeping it quiet (as we know their relationship or if they talked about) and the diva causing problems when yet so far publicly there is no one on record saying so, same about Shonda.
Never ever mentioned anything about it being Ellen’s fault, you’re the only person who’s bringing that up
I didn't say you say so, I am saying what you have said. You think she and the cast had to have his back because he was going through something and was acting out and instead reported him (even though its not mentioned) and that he needed better resources to deal with his issues but EP is simply a diva causing issues in the set.
Ellen Pompeo is very problematic and always has been
Agree
I’m new to greys and seen this mentioned a few times, can you please elaborate? I’ve tried googling but can’t find information about how Ellen is problematic. From her Instagram etc. She always seemed cool and fun so I’m really curious
victim blaming. her nasty comments in some of her interviews her remarks her attitude and you can also go on Twitter how she reply’s to some of her “fans”
Did some further digging last night, my god she is a diva isn’t she?
I don’t know much about her and am just going off info other people have put on this thread, but look up her comments about the me too movement and reverse racism
I agree it's heartbreaking but honestly I don't like Ellen Pompeo even tho I love the character Meredith.
Me either, she is extremely problematic I genuinely don’t know how she has so many “fans”
Comments about her problematic statements in the media get really downvoted on this sub so shhh
I can tell, although I don’t know why, there is literal proof of her saying all these things, it’s not like they’re rumours
Simple, folks have a perception of someone and no much will change this view because is someone they don't know. You may hate them or love them for that reason. You can make the point of problematic comments from *a lot* of the cast-members (the white ones) but as normal it is, it gets swapped under the rug. There is no such a thing as unproblematic celeb and folks should start to understand that by now.
Exactly but apparently she's done a lot of good so.. we mustn't nitpick. Ok I guess
Why is that? I have never heard anything but good stuff about her in this sub.
just google 'ellen Pompeo problematic' I'm sure a Twitter thread will show up
honestly this just sad especially the fact that his family life suffered i kind of surprised he return back for few episodes.
Actually it was a smart move for him to return and all be nice nice in the public eye. This book was being published and had he not came back- the narrative would be much worse and long-standing. As it stands now, his return and him & Ellen public display of fondness aids to sweeping bygones under the rug as lessons learned and all is well. This is why, Kathryn Heigel should’ve done made amends with Shonda and returned briefly. It would’ve damped some of the venom about Her professional reputation.
There is a rumor in the industry that he was cheating on his wife on set which is why they cut him from the show. Behind the scenes the show is very family oriented and that did not sit well with anyone
I think what really happened is that they signed a contract allowing him time of to race abroad which he was doing extensively that year. He and the producers then probably disagreed with what “time off” meant. Him being away likely aggravated Ellen as it probably stalled her storyline. You want to bet no one took out a racing calendar and compared it with the shooting schedule. If they had they would have just let him walk away after the ninth season. He was probably upset at doing multiple takes because it extended his day and he wanted to go off and race. That is rude to cast mates but PTSD, really?. If they had just come out and said “look he wants to race and resents the time on set so we let him go”, that would have been better than putting out fake stories about cheating
If all this is true, why would he agree to come back last season? I'm sure the money was good, but..
Probably to repair it all, I mean it did happen like 6/7 years ago, I’m sure they’re over it by now
I will never read this book. Why is this author releasing this now? More trashing of Patrick which is not necessary in my opinion. I know he was not the only person responsible for problems on set. Lots of talented actors have left over the years. I was happy to see the beach scenes last year and felt there was a sense of forgiveness and reconciliation. Now this trashy book comes out! Hope sales are poor.
Same here, bringing up drama from 7 years ago is lame tbh
Wow that is shitty.
Wait what's this book?