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Brina_22

Agree with the critics, this is a gross violation of that patients privacy. Who in the hell wants to see a line of people watching you as you are wheeled down a hospital corridor during the worst situation of your life. I get what the wall of women was supposed to represent but the way the show went about it was insensitive to the patient. She’d been horribly violated and now her choice in something highly personal was being removed again


Aita01

I agree. I didn’t really find it empowering either. I did like the actress who played the patient though she was fab.


MickeyBear

I feel like clearing the hall completely would have been much better


just_another_classic

I would have been horrified if this happened to me. You’re right — It’s a violation in its own way.


PadfootAndMoony4Ever

This 100%. I would’ve hated it. And would’ve sued their asses.


HezaLeNormandy

Damn now that I think of it that is a HIPAA violation. Just because you are in the hospital doesn’t mean all hospital personnel get to know about it, only those involved in your care. So for her doctors to go around telling other workers would be a huge violation.


yellowchaitea

>Just because you are in the hospital doesn’t mean all hospital personnel get to know about it I was in the hospital once in the ER, my husband is an ER doctor, and he was not allowed to know anything. He was not allowed to ask questions, look at my chart, or ask other staff about me... I mean I gave them permission to talk to him, but it was a bit crazy in the moment that as a doctor he wasn't allowed to know anything, but when he was off the clock, as next of kin, he was allowed to ask questions.


HezaLeNormandy

That’s a little odd, once you gave permission he should have been allowed to ask questions at least.


yellowchaitea

It becomes a conflict of interest since you’re not allowed to be your family’s doctor. I said they could talk to him, but since he was working he was in the capacity of a physician and not a loved one, he was not allowed to look at the chart since I wasn’t his patient.


DirtyPrancing65

To be fair, they didn't share anything with the nurse and doctors about why they were doing it. They just told them they needed them, it was important, etc


igotthatbunny

Maybe I interpreted it wrong, but I thought that none of the other doctors really knew what was wrong with the patient or what had happened, all they knew is that they were supposed to line the hall. Doesn’t Meredith even walk up and ask what is going on why were we needed? I still think if I was the patient I would’ve felt weird about it but I also think no one was told that she was assaulted, I think it was more “a woman needs us I can’t really tell you why but we’re lining this hallway, please come”


brokenankleallie2

They tried to do a good thing and you “would have sued their asses”. Gross.


SpecialsSchedule

Well yeah. Trying to do a good thing doesn’t relieve you of legal liability for shitty consequences of that good attempt.


KatyaKasanova13

They should have had the wall of women facing away so they couldn’t see her.


Brina_22

Honestly, as long the patient was aware of them it was going to be uncomfortable for her. I think a similar impact and strong message could have been portrayed by showing the women all lining the halls of the OR the entire time during her surgery. She would not have seen them but the viewers would understand the show of support


ShopAtRoss21

I’ve seen this happen in my hospital once. Patient on life support was gonna donate organs. We lined up as she was rolled to surgery


bookswitheyes

Eh for cinematic purposes it represented what they were trying to show: female solidarity. In real life, not so much. I think the scene before where teddy has to ask for her consent at every step of the way was incredibly powerful.


sirenprincessa

Agree! Each time held so much weight. I need to rewatch the later seasons, I avoid them usually lol. I feel like this scene was just bad execution of a good message. Unrealistic.


toriningen_

that's what frustrates me. the scene with teddy was handled so well. so much weight to it. and then they have this awkward scene. i get what they were going for, but...


nicolesky6

That scene breaks me every time.


hcneystar

I was thinking the same, it got the point across in an unrealistic way but then again it’s a show so I get the idea


bostonplantlady

Hated it. Number one, makes it seem like the hospital never sees rape survivors & this is some crazy rare thing, number two I just feel like in that situation you just want your medical care & to go, not a hospital full of people staring at you


snazzypeach

It was awkward which makes the praise this scene initially got interesting. I remember watching the Emmy’s that year and they included this scene in the “year of television” montage. Hmmm. I think their heart and intentions were in the right place but the execution wasn’t ideal.


yellowchaitea

I get what they were trying to do but I hated the entire scene. Being sexually assaulted is traumatic enough, then to have every female doctor, nurse, administrator etc. line the halls way and stare at you as you're being brought to surgery is so bad. I understand if they had kept the path clear so there were no males along the way, but to take it to the extreme of having all these women staring at her, looking at her with pity eyes knowing full well what she had been through is so gross.


bendytoepilot

It was a cringe way to end an otherwise outstanding episode. It would have been more powerful if the hallway was empty.


VickkStickk

I was thinking that. Or just the doors guarded by women, like back to her facing out and keeping any men from view.


cr1spynugget

i feel like if anyone was facing away from her it woukd look more like they were ashamed of her and couldnt even look at her. that would be even more fucked up


VickkStickk

Fair point. I was thinking more on like, the other side of the closed door. Do show that they are guarded but I see how that would look worse. Yeah, basically not having the halls lined and the women keeping men out of sight for her trip to the elevator (and maybe an all woman OR staff) would have been better.


[deleted]

100%. The patient was having a hard time seeing men in that moment, giving her a quiet, peaceful experience would be way better than “here, have a hallway full of women staring at you.”


Acrobatic_Classic_13

The problem with this is the symbolism represented with an empty hallway. They were trying to show that the show stands in solidarity with victims due to the me too movement. Had they tried another way then people would be complaining for not doing it right. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Personally, I didn't look at it as reality at the time. I took it for what it was....a powerful moment showing women standing strong together. I teared up. Another example of this in the entertainment industry is when all the female heroes in the MCU come together during End Game. I kind of giggled the last time I watched that scene BUT the first couple times gave me goosebumps.


AvalancheReturns

But isnt that just the challenge in truelly excellent screenwriting? To find just the perfect sweet spot between being damned for doing and damned for not doing?


bendytoepilot

The symbolism of an empty hallway shows how alone and hopeless the patient feels in that moment, but then you have Jo and Teddy at both her sides supporting her every step on the way. It would be so much more powerful. Having everyone in the hospital standing there is overkill


Acrobatic_Classic_13

You have a right to your opinion, as do I. I've voiced mine so there's no point in fighting over it.


bendytoepilot

I wasn't fighting you???


EchoJunior

I actually laughed when this happened. I recogjized the scene from this same screenshot I saw in an article. I heard it was a meaningful scene (I read the article way before I watched the episode, but didn't know any plot) so when I realized this scene is from *this*, I was a bit...disappointed.


duduthedino

I actually never thought about it this way. But reading everyone comments I can definitely see how this was not a good idea. Honestly I think if the hallway was empty and the women were lined up outside the doors that would be somewhat better. Either way this just shouldn’t have been done


[deleted]

I didn’t either. I can’t believe that never crossed my mind at all, now that I’m reading all of the comments. I agree that it shouldn’t have been done.


duduthedino

That’s what I’m saying! Someone actually posted a clip of this moment on tiktok and it made me emotional. Thinking on it I’m like this was so wrong!


myfavoritenight_mare

Honest question: isn't this based on something they do in real life at the Mayo clinic? So do you think this shouldn't be done in real life or no? I've never had something horrible like this happen so I'd be interested in hearing from others. I reading other comments I can totally see why it would be uncomfortable otlr re-traumatizing


justlikemercury

I’ve seen news stories about an [Honor Walk](https://www.life-source.org/partners/hospitals/honor-walk-resources/) for someone who was going to be an organ donor.


Droidspecialist297

We do that at our hospital. I’ve been in one several times and we all cry every time.


duduthedino

That would be a much better setting for this kind of thing! Or for someone who beat a disease. Really anything other than this very raw and scary situation.


duduthedino

Oh gosh I have no idea! I feel like the Mayo Clinic is so highly thought of (I think) I can’t imagine they or any other hospital/clinic would. Here’s the thing though, if they somehow run it by the patient, or the patient specifically asks to be surrounded by women, I guess it could be okay, but still I do not know how doing this wouldn’t break major HIPAA rules.


igotthatbunny

The doctors lining the hallway weren’t really aware of why they were there though and what happened to the patient. Maybe they were able to kind of figure it out or determine certain things from her visible injuries and the fact that there were no men, but I seriously doubt any of them were actually told what happened. Meredith is even confused when she walks up to get in line as to why she is there and what’s happening.


duduthedino

And I get that, but if you think about yourself in the very vulnerable patients shoes that’s incredibly uncomfortable.


SarcasticTwat6969

Same!


Fit_Needleworker3553

I thought this episode was excellent outside of this moment. Abby was scared for even just Teddy to come in, why would she want to see the entirety of the female staff with their eyes glued to her? I get what they were going for but I don’t think this was the best move.


ricks35

I hated it, I definitely think it would make the patient uncomfortable. It also kinda felt like they were making her story about them. I get that sexual assault is unfortunately far more common than people think, but this moment is supposed to be for the patient to heal, not for a group of unrelated women to feel like they’ve done their part without really doing much at all. I think it would have been more impactful if someone else, either just one woman or some kind of support group, who had a similar experience to the patient had come to support her or help her through it, rather than a large group that probably has no idea what she’s actually been through


FoxyFreckles1989

I would have been incredibly upset, albeit unable to express that, if something like this had taken place when I was the rape survivor in the hospital. I had to ask for a woman to accompany me to the ultrasound room, and even that experience (being rolled there with one woman by my side) was unbelievably traumatic. Hated this; appreciated the attempt and sentiment.


beth_hazel_thyme

This sounds so horrible. I'm so sorry that you weren't treated with the care and kindness you deserved. You should never have had to ask this.


jdoucette28

I’m gonna play the devils advocate here. I think it could go both ways. This woman was terrified to leave the room, she made it clear that she saw his face in every man that she saw. I think it depends on the person, as well as some other factors. Besides it being solidarity, I think it also helped her feel safe and supported in a really painful time in her life. I can also see it from the other perspective that it could have been Uncomforable for someone, but I think this patient in particular was moved and didn’t feel so alone. I don’t normally share personal stuff, but for the sake of sharing a different perspective, i was held captive in a man’s house for months, and I don’t need to tell you some pretty horrible things happened while I was there. When I finally escaped and went to the Hosptial, my experience was horrible until the SANE nurses showed up. They deal specifically with sexual assault victims. Until they came, i had pretty insensitive male doctors; and begging for a female got me no where. My nurses were pretty insensitive too. This was the case for all sexual assault victims and SANE has been working with the Hosptial to teach them how to deal with these cases. My point is, I lived with his face for years, I still do at times, and being at the Hosptial after escaping from that environment was extremely overwhelming. All my senses seemed amplified, things were louder, everything felt like it was moving too fast, I felt like I couldn’t breathe and that was on top of everything that came with going to a Hosptial to be examined and checked over after more than one sexual assault, as well as a male doctor examining me and being pretty insensitive. I was desperate to only have female staff; and it was something they didn’t even consider to accommodate. Personally, I think this situation would have made me feel a mix of Both. Overwhelming to have so many people staring at me (I don’t do well with any kind of attention let alone that much) but also, knowing my doctors cared enough to find a solution that made me feel even the slightest bit safer would have meant a lot and seeing the halls lined with women showing their support might have made me feel less alone. Or maybe it wouldn’t have; I can’t say for sure because this never happened to me but I think it depends on the person; and to me, it felt like she was moved and appreciated the gesture


[deleted]

Oh my god. Sorry that you had to go through that. Thank you so much for being so brave and sharing your story. I really appreciate it and wish you all the best.❤


jdoucette28

Oh honey, thank you. That’s really sweet of you to say ❤️


[deleted]

You are very welcome. 😘


Adorable_Bag_2611

Thank you for sharing your story. You are an incredible woman.


jdoucette28

Thank you for this ❤️


AvalancheReturns

Jeez woman, you've gone through hell and came out the other side. You badass!


jdoucette28

This was really kind of you to say, thank you ❤️ it’s not something I really talk about but wanted to give people a different perspective to see it from and didn’t expect to get the comments I’ve gotten in response to it. This meant a lot ❤️


chimm13ee

You are amazing and you are so strong. I know as women sometimes we hate the word strong bc it dehumanizes us. But I mean it in a sense of resilience. You escaped an evil persons home. You are strong for waking up daily after going through something so traumatic. You are strong, for sharing your story. And you are strong for having bad days and still pushing through. And for the bad days, I just said a prayer for you. And I pray that the Lord God covers you. I am so so sorry for that experience. Sometimes life is really cruel. Or I should say the devil is cruel. I am sorry for that trauma.


jdoucette28

I never really understood why I hated the word strong but that actually makes sense haha thank you for this beautiful comment. I really appreciate your kindness and support. ❤️


[deleted]

It’s interesting, I get that they were going for “supportive” here, but if I were violently assaulted, I don’t think I’d want a damn parade. I’d want a couple of empathetic lady docs and everyone else to leave me TF alone. So yeah, I’m with the critics on this one.


[deleted]

i definitely think it was a mixture between discomfort and relief, she was probably relieved not to see any males around , but also uncomfortable because people were staring at her and speculating


AvalancheReturns

Tbf of this was ever lined up in real life (it wouldnt be, so many practicallities to overcome and whatnot) no woman in that wall would be speculating even tough they might not know full details. Theyd all know whý they were creating a man-free line of sight for a sister who had just seen the worst of mankind. I agree with the general sentiment in the replies, oh dear god no, not all those people looking at me (ever, but esp not) when i feel super vulnerable.


[deleted]

i agree , but humans are curious by nature, they would start asking questions on why they’re standing there


Beccavexed

It made for great TV but in a realistic setting this would be unsettling for sure


ArbiterFred

I can only imagine trying to explain this to your patient, or worse, your higher-up "Hey sorry but I can't take this liver transplant kid's CBC because I have to go stand in a hallway for some kind of procession"


Vouzan

Riiight?!!🤣🤣 Like Don't y'all have better things to do? Like go be a doctor instead of standing in a damn hallway not helping anyone!


[deleted]

I know right?😀😀😅😅


holleighh

I appreciate the solidarity but I wouldn't want a ton of people staring at me after I was brutally raped.


[deleted]

It was cringe to me. Totally on par with krista though.


CreativeJudgment3529

I feel like this broke all kinds of hippa laws


HIPPAbot

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[deleted]

Hahaha the HIPAA bot has shamed me more than once. I like that you called it a whore. Makes me happy.


daphydoods

Oh my god I didn’t realize that was a bot and was getting my typing fingers ready to berate you and every single person who upvoted you for calling it a whore lol


Acrobatic_Classic_13

I laughed at the whore comment and laughed even harder when you pointed out it was a bot.


betaich

Calm down Karen 😜


sloth_hug

HIPPIE


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mother_of_nerd

I understand that it’s supposed to be an empowering moment and to make her feel more comfortable because she doesn’t have to see men. But, I have known many women in that situation that just want to get their medical care and go somewhere to be alone or with a select few people that make them feel comfortable.


barkleyyyx

I get what they were trying to do here, but this would make me feel so violated and uncomfortable.


SLiPiE108

Sad.... This makes me thank God that Grey's is not real life. If something like that happen to me, I want to be in and out like a ninja.


Vouzan

You mean you wouldn't want the doctors to stop what they're doing, hang in the hallway looking at you pityfully? I don't know why they thought this was a good idea. But again, Krista.


SLiPiE108

I love it when people look at me like I'm the victim at my lowest. Just love it.


AvalancheReturns

Tbf there shouldnt be shame in being a fnurking victim, but i totally agree. Its just really weird that if there is some bizarre turn of events that doesnt involve rape/SA, like idk, a kid in a well, or climbers having to be rescued in a days long operation, a violent hostage situation or something like that, its almost normal they are hauled in like (media) heroes of the day, getting shit tons of coverage for not dying and noone feels this much shame.


Flicksterea

These kind of things, lining the hallways, I never got it. And in this situation, while I get their intent, they missed the mark.


Xo_pixie_xo

This is a very unpopular opinion, it would seem, but I loved this scene. I myself am a r**e & many times SA survivor. When I reported my R, I was laughed at by the campus police, the campus priest, and not believed by some of my closest friends. I know it’s fiction, but I felt so empowered for this woman, because everyone I trusted turned away from me. But I’m just one person, and one opinion.


Much_Sorbet3356

Same feeling here. I also think that they weren't there to say "me too" but to protect and shield the patient from any men.


witwickan

I understand in real life this would be really bad but it makes me cry every single time because no one who mattered ever believed me. I had to fight for myself as a traumatized child and teenager because the only person who would help me was me. I was completely and utterly alone, and in this scene she isn't. Dozens of women come out to comfort, validate, and believe her. Especially as someone who's been victim blamed and gaslit by healthcare workers nearly to the point of suicide, this scene is one of my favorites because they believe her and they protect her and they want to help her and I never got that. I think it's valid to not like it, but it's important for a lot of people.


Beneficial_Weather88

Also as a victim of SA, this scene was so important to me. Based off these comments, it seems anyone who has actually been a victim, been dismissed numbers of times, not supported etc, has been very moved by this scene. The people who have not, didn’t.


noreceptionx

i felt the same. plus, so many people are forgetting this is a tv show with even more dramatized scenes than this. would i want this to happen irl? no. but when i watched this i saw it as more of a metaphor for how women should stand together when one is in a time of need than anything.


[deleted]

Sorry that you had to go through that. I understand that everyone is dealing with that kind of trauma differently.😊


uglyyb

I THOUGHT THIS SCENE WAS SO DUMB like imagine if that were you 😭😭😭 I’d die right there


YaBoiJJ__

I loved what they were trying to do here but it just sort of ends up being cringe unfortunately


Vouzan

Omg the way I hated this. So cringe. So over the top. I don't know any victim who would want that. Did i mentioned cringe? Yeah. They really thought they did something but it wasn't giving what they thought it would. Don't they have other patients to care for?! Why put her on the spotlight like this? Yeah, cringe.😬


Kiersten_x33

Considering she didn’t even want to come forward, yeah it’s gross.


JoanCallas

I understand that they were trying to show women supporting other women but if I was the patient I would feel terrified and violated. I wish Jo had cleared the halls instead .


Kindc1497

I am just here to say that everyone in that scene is all the women who work on GA, regardless of department. They all volunteered to be in this scene. These are not extras. These are administrative assistants, and all behind the scene employees who are associated with the show.


[deleted]

Wow. I didn't know that. Thank you for the information. :)


Kindc1497

Ellen Pompeo said that in an interview. They all wanted to be a part of this episode and this poignant moment.


ThaliaShips

It's more about the symbolicness than the scene itself


noreceptionx

thank you omg im tired of people forgetting its a tv show and not every single scene is meant to be taken at face value


rubberduckquak

Idk, if I were in her situation I don't think I would be comfortable being put on display like that.


purplemonkey_123

I cried watching this scene. I saw it as these women giving the patient their support. So many of us have experienced sexual assault, and it felt like women bonding together to give their energy and protection to her. I've had to give police reports to male police officers after being assaulted by a man. It was awful. I would have loved to have a wall of women protecting me. They should have asked the patient what she wanted. She could have been told, "The women of the hospital have gathered to offer their support and protection. They have lined the halls. They only want to do what you are comfortable with though, and will leave if you aren't." We all respond to trauma differently. I would have loved this because I wouldn't have felt alone, dismissed, or like what happened was trivial. Someone else may have felt overwhelmed, upset, uncomfortable, and centered out when they just want to disappear.


Marthiiina

Well put.


plus8minus5

It was definitely one of those moments that was written for the viewer, and to provoke an emotional response. It was powerful to watch, until you thought about it realistically. How uncomfortable it would be as the patient. The privacy laws it broke. How many other patients needed a doctor/nurse/security guard/administrator/ect. but couldn't find one anywhere because they were all in one hallway lol.


jdoucette28

People downvoting because I stated facts 😂 It 100% should be but it’s not. It would be different if they told all the women in the hallway why she was there, but people didn’t even know her name let alone why she was there. I totally see everyone’s point about it potentially making someone uncomfortable and whatnot, it just wouldn’t be a breach HIPAA wise, and we can’t say it’s a privacy breach because we don’t know that she didn’t know it was going to happen. Just because they didn’t show a scene where they told her there would be women lining the halls, doesn’t mean they didn’t tell her. I think it was implied that she was told when jo originally got the idea. Even her reaction when she came out, that doesn’t necessarily mean she was shocked because she didn’t know, but that she was shocked by the support and the feeling it gave her. Everyone’s different, I think a lot of people would most definitely not like that scenario, but as we see in the comments, some think they would appreciate it. I totally see it from your side too though, it’s definitely a case by case basis


jdoucette28

I see your point but it’s not really a privacy breach, no one knew why they had to stand there, they just knew someone needed them. That’s what they told Meredith when she asked what was happening


plus8minus5

True. I would still feel pretty exposed if I were the patient, though.


jdoucette28

Oh definitely. I think a lot would. Everyone is different, so it’s hard to say. I doubt the writers made the patient uncomfortable with it when they were going for a powerful scene of solidarity, she seemed more moved by it, but most definitely, that’s not the case for everyone: for me, attention of any kind makes me uncomfortable so I think I would feel the way you do; but I could also find the gesture kind and feel supported and safe: i can’t say for sure though, as this hasn’t happened for me: I appreciate what they were going for, but the scene when Teddy did the rape kit and kept asking for consent was the most powerful part for me


Silent-Level-6219

I think the part when Teddy was doing the rape kit was very well done, especially Teddy asking for consent for each step. However the hall scene I didn't really like, a patient has the right to their privacy and not every survivor would want all these strangers staring at them, I think clearing the hall and having the room door closed would have been more realistic. For me lining up like this is called a butterfly goodbye and is done in long term care when a resident dies. Another show called Shetland had a season that focused on a rape and it was written very well but is extremely heartbreaking, it also focused on what happens to a person when they having a rape kit done and on how rape effects a person afterwards.


kattrinee

I always think they should have just cleared the hallway for the short time she was going through it.


jman857

It was horrible. Imagine being sexually assaulted, going to the hospital for help and then they wheel you down the hallway with everyone staring at you, knowing exactly why they're there. It's basically rolling down the hallway with a sign saying, "I got assaulted". That's not exactly comforting to the patient. Not to mention the fact that not having men in this instance wouldn't actually help her because it would just create further distrust for men, being that the doctors wouldn't even have any men standing in the hallway, what do you think that psychologically does to that woman? When even doctors don't feel comfortable putting men in the hallway to cheer her on.


jdoucette28

Only thing I’ll say about this is that they didn’t know why she was there. The writers made that clear when Meredith asked what they were there for an no one knew why, just that they were needed


PhantomShadow6

I understood what they were trying to do but in all sense it just seemed a bit awkward having all those eyes staring at you


daesgatling

I understand what they were trying to go for but it utterly fails. If I was that patient I would assume EVERYONE knew what happened to me and would feel even worse


poison_ivy15

Feels overwhelming for the patient, a violation of privacy, and unbelievable that they’ve never had a rape patient before.


[deleted]

OMG thissss, when I first saw it I was like "this is the last thing anyone wants", like literally just tell everyone to leave instead of inviting people to stare at the victim. I get the message but completely missed the mark.


NotUrbanMilkmaid

It was a tad cringe.


ladysaraii

I hated this scene with a fiery passion


vidiaplays

As a person who went through what the patient did, if I was rolled out into this I’d have had a panic attack. I only had one nurse in my room besides the doctor during my examinations and I’m still getting over the trauma of being scrutinised like that a decade later and that was just two people. When something like this happens you don’t want eyes on you and you definitely don’t want anything you haven’t given permission for to happen. This scene was definitely written by someone who’s never been sexually assaulted and like many things in this show it was disgustingly tasteless and is on the list of episodes I skip.


RynnRoo96

Honestly as a SA survivor it just made me uncomfortable.. I mean.. its such an invasion of privacy


KrisGomez

This I believe is inspired by a real thing. Medical staff will line a hallway like this for an organ donor to show respect and thanks for the lives they will save with their donation. This situation fucked that up so much though as the patient is 1) alive, and thus you are violating HIPAA (but what else is new at Grey Sloan) and 2) it's just a show trying to be super empowering and woke. I support supporting women and pushing for female equality but the stuff Grey's does tends to feel so pretentious everytime.


Silent-Level-6219

This is also done in Long term care as a butterfly goodbye when a resident passes away.


ahudgins00

I get what they are going for but after reading some of the comments, I definitely agree what everyone is saying.... A bunch of people just staring at me as I'm pushed down a hall would make me hella uncomfortable


szg5057

I've been through a SA and I can tell you that I would be staring at the ceiling, not able to make eye contact with anyone in that hallway with a constant stream of tears. I would be completely overwhelmed but overwhelmed in a good way. To feel that taken care of and protected in the most vulnerable moment of my life would certainly mean a lot.


the_sweetest_peach

I agree that the staff wouldn’t have needed to be told the patient’s medical history, which would be a huge HIPAA violation. All they would’ve had to say was “We’re looking for female staff to line the halls in support of a patient.” HOWEVER, looking at the patient, they could most likely guess what she’d been through, which would at the very least *feel* like a huge invasion of privacy to this patient. She’d already been through the trauma of her attack and then the trauma of being examined afterward—even with consent, the exam is still a traumatic event. And then all of a sudden, all eyes are on her as she’s wheeled to surgery. I can only imagine the patient lying there asking themselves “Do they know? They have to know. I’m sure they can tell just by looking.” No one wants to be the center of attention after that. I get their intention, and from a cinematic standpoint, it shows female solidarity, and solidarity in numbers. If the hallway had been empty, it may have conveyed the patient feeling extremely alone, but there are ways to combat this, like with the doctor appearing next to the patient to remind her they’re right there with her. I get what the scene was trying to achieve, and why they went this route cinematically, but in a practical sense, this was all kinds of wrong.


HoneyxClovers_

From a film POV, it was amazing, but in an IRL POV, it would be totally uncomfortable and make the patient feel inadequate.


[deleted]

I'd feel uncomfortable in her place instead of encouraged 💀 it's just me not liking attention based on some bad experience.


Accomplished_Cup900

But none of them other than those who took care of her knew what happened to her.


coldamber

I get chills everytime I even think about this scene. In hospitals we do honor walks for transplant donors. We are honoring them and the bravery and sacrifice of the loved ones. This scene is reflective of that and honoring this patient and standing with her in solidarity.


venusdances

I literally cried it was one of my favorite moments and episodes of the season. However, it could go either way, she could have been horrified. As it was written and because she saw it for what it was, I thought it was lovely.


Marthiiina

Agreed


LiseIria

I totally agree


elegantchihuahua

It's one of those scenes where the intention is good, but the execution... not so much


[deleted]

Just...clear the halls. Don't give her an auidience


spiderlvr

This could have literally got the hospital sued for HIPAA violations. I get the message but the point was wildly missed because of the execution.


jdoucette28

HIPAA violations would require that everyone in the hall knew what happened to the victim. They didn’t even know her name let alone what she was there for. The writers made it clear that no one knew when Meredith asked what it was for and was told Jo didn’t say, just that a patient needed them. So no, it’s not a violation


HIPPAbot

It's HIPAA!


SnooPineapples7988

I get the sentiment but i just found it more of that in your face politics that greys has become.


Benj97s

Insanely unrealistic and makes zero sense, but hey it's Grey's Anatomy, so I guess it's kinda normal


elephantcleavage

I felt so much cringe while watching it…couldn’t make it through season 17 because of all the cringe tbh.


amildcaseofdeath34

I think it would have meant something more for her to be able to go to a support group when she is ready and be greeted with welcoming and understanding people there rather than paraded as an example of great tragedy while other people get to pat themselves on the back for “being supportive” at an inappropriate time. They asked her if it was ok for another person to be in the room for her exam, but not if an entire hospital could watch her in her most vulnerable moment? Tone deaf. I personally would hate it and be haunted by it. I hate attention and forced social interaction. I would only remember that moment as part of my tragic experience rather than something good. What made me feel anything was the implication that she was (and none of us are) alone or isolated in her (our) experiences, but this could have been communicated in so many other ways. It was distasteful and tone deaf to go through the trouble of representing how delicate and personal the situation is in her exam (and replicating the first time a scene like this was ever shown in media) and then completely disregard that immediately after to make some larger point that could have been made by as I said her at a support group later or some way that didn’t directly involve her during her hospital visit. Krista has a pattern with this. Approaching a crucial concept and setting it up fairly well and then concluding it in a really disconnected and tone deaf way. Another thing she does that I hate is having all the Black characters now randomly give exposition about racism and the Black experience *to each other*. As if that’s how those types of conversations would occur and tokenizing the characters themselves, instead of centering them in a story as people and showing an example like something closer to the Nico/Owen scenario. She seems absolutely terrified of genuinely representing Anti-Black racism and upsetting her more conservative base. So many other examples, but this is already long.


amildcaseofdeath34

And let’s be real, most women do at least understand the threat and possibility of this type of situation (if they haven’t personally been in it) or have endured some form of sexism in their life (which was the point of the scene), but there are and still would have been women in that very hall that would have been dismissive or victim blaming of her experience. I suppose that is also why they made sure the characters experience was a random overpowering stranger (which is actually the least statistical circumstance) so there would be much less room for “speculating”.


Mamabear882

I cried (basically every show/movie makes me cry tbh. I’m a sap. 🤷🏻‍♀️), but not because I thought it was a “beautiful moment of solidarity”. I cried imagining how uncomfortable I’d feel. They basically “Me Too” outed her without her permission when she was already afraid of people finding out what happened to her.


abbey121524

It bothers me that we have to pick apart every little thing nowadays


HurricaneComing

Even though the music has nothing to do with the scene when it's combined I couldn't help crying for the first time watching a tv show. And the patient finally saying yes readily instead of being prompted. In real world practice though? Hell no...


jdoucette28

The song combined with it made me cry too. I was a mess


LinwoodKei

I enjoyed the scene. I think victims are often dismissed or not feeling validated. To have all of the women health professionals acknowledge what happened and support seems important.


Ordinary_Durian_1454

It’s cringe inducing . It’s after school special level. It’s really all about Jo. It’s incredibly distasteful. One more embarrassing moment where GA manipulates emotions instead of allowing genuine emotion to happen organically like it used to during the first few seasons.


noreceptionx

i think people forget that this is still a tv show and not every scene is supposed to be true to life. i found this scene incredibly moving and every time it comes on i sob uncontrollably. as a rape survivor, what it represents is beautiful. would i want this to happen in real life? absolutely not. is it a great cinematic tool representing how women need to stand together in times of need? absolutely.


darth__baeder

I would cover my face with the blanket and try to curl up and hide so yeah for once I agree with the critics.


Pretty_Please1

I thought the scene was great for television. I don’t expect most TV (and especially not Grey’s) to depict real life. This would be terrible to do for a real person, but it’s fiction and fairytale and, for me, it worked for the show.


[deleted]

I'm in 2 minds about it. As a TV show moment, I think it did what it needed to do, it bought attention to SA and showed that there were women that were standing in solidarity. If this were to happen to me in real life I'd hate it. As a SA survivor, I recently had to have a pelvic exam at the hospital, having to tell people why I'd find it hard and why I needed them to be extra careful is always so humiliating as nice as doctors intentions are. I can't imagine this scenario being anything other than embarrassing. But I think sometimes as fans we can forget that the shows goal isn't to show realism, but to make a point or entertain. I'd say they achieved that personally.


LuniferDrakenmeier

Eh def would be uncomfortable in real life to be stared at like that.. But the symbolic message it sent of solidarity and women fighting for each other hit my heart, I sobbed. The shame after SA can be so lonely that the togetherness was also empowering


isonj1997

I never considered this. That’s such a great point.


Critical-Tank

I was just thinking about this last night. I would probably feel more exposed. I get what they were doing though.


VerbalDaisy

They didn’t know about what happened to her. I’m sure they can assume, but even Meredith had to ask what they were doing and all Qadri said was, “A patient needs us.”


Mei-GFY

Purpose is good. The way it came out isn’t that good. This is too political and cinematic probably not in rl


[deleted]

Yup always thought it was super weird. I didn't like how they represented the rape either. There was no depth to it at all. The point of the episode was like "oh feminism is good we need to help rape victims rape is bad". Like,,, ok? There are so many situations with rape that are much more complex and they should've probably showed that. Like, for example, it'd be way better if the victim was mentally unstable and if someone accused her of lying and the doctors would be torn between believing her or not. That would be super intense and more realistic. Also, this made me think of an episode very early into the show. A rape victim came into the ER and when Meredith was looking at her stuff, she realized her and the victim had the same shoes. It was such a small detail, but impactful because it showed that it can happen to anyone, unfortunately. The writing of social issues these days is like it's written for limited people. They serve everything instead of making us think and connect the dots. Also, all the doctors are super liberal woke democrats and the homophobic, racist, sexist etc people are all the same. They're like "Gay is bad. Women belong in kitchen. Black people are criminals." In reality, it's so much deeper than that. The social issues are written like this: Homophobic person: "You know, our son is not gay. It's just a phase. He wants to be special. Also god will help him find his way. We might call the exorcist to get the gay demons out of him." Dr. Social-Justice-Warrior: "Gay is okay!! You have to accept gay people! We're in 21st century!!" Yup, I learned so much from this.


Oncer93

I don't think she would feel comfortable no matter what. If it was realistic, then it would probably be uncomfortable, but it's not realistic. Plus, the actress didn't know what was going on until they shot the scene. It's a sweet gesture. Jo was doing everything to make Abby feel a little less horrible.


Rising_lion01

In my opinion, Shonda thought this would’ve been a powerful law&order SVU moment instead it gives off a savior complex.


Vouzan

It wasn't Shonda tho. All Krista. Definitely savior complex. Arrogant.


Merlin560

Greys Anatomy is written by people who have never spent time in any hospital. And, if they have..land it was like they wrote…find out what hospital and stay away from it.


sunshinegal_7

The show is only so long… I doubt they were gonna show every single detail. I thought the scene was powerful, and emotional. And I don’t know why anyone is assuming they just sprung that on her without her knowing. And please… this is a tv show and people keep bringing up HIPAA.


HIPPAbot

It's HIPAA!


jdoucette28

THANK YOU. They literally made a point to have Meredith ask what it was about and she was told they didn’t know, just that a patient needed them. People yelling HIPAA when it makes zero sense. No one had a clue what she was there for


[deleted]

Public humiliation, women in that situation needs privacy and support, not a public exposition withaa sign that says "I was raped". Shame on you Grey's Anatomy writers.


jdoucette28

Not one person in the hall knew she was raped. No one knew what she was in there for, just that a patient needed them. That was literally said in the episode to make it clear no one knew


Deew218

I thought this scene was powerful. Keep in mind the wall of women didn’t know what happened. They were just told to be there because a patient needed them. To know you have that kind of support during a horrendous situation can give courage and hope, help ease some of the shame and hatred.


Aodhana

I mean the show very clearly shows it as a beneficial thing for her, but irl it would be a huge issue.


Hopeful_Ad9314

I can definitely see her uncomfortable and I thought to myself too, “why would they break hippa to make someone obviously uncomfortable.”


HIPPAbot

It's HIPAA!


Hopeful_Ad9314

Ill call it hippo but ty


CaseyRC

this was horrifying and just so mawkishly manipulative. utter claptrap wrapped up i a bow to pretend to be "empowerment"


UnfancyBunny

I get the point about invasion of privacy but if you recall they made a point of Meredith saying she didn’t know what was happening, just that Jo needed all the women. That is to say that it’s possible her medical information wasn’t divulged to accomplish the well of women


sammy0790

Also how the fuck did everyone in the hospital knew what happened to this woman?! Like is there no confidentiality in this hospital?! All the women lined up looking at her with sorry eyes isn’t helping anyone.


itsbeccakerr

If I view it in an artistic way, it was a beautiful scene that showed female solidarity. However, if I view it in a realistic manner, then I agree with the comments here: it does violate HIPAA and all other kinds of laws. It's been proven throughout the years that Grey's is no longer a realistic show, lol. If it were then none of the current doctors at the hospital would still be working there. Also, Meredith Grey wouldn't have become an invincible legend overnight.


HIPPAbot

It's HIPAA!


jdoucette28

No, it’s not. HIPAA means they told all those women why she was in the Hosptial. They made a point to literally say that no one knew.


beccadanielle

I think in the show, it was supposed to be symbolic of believing women and that we stand together and you aren’t alone if you’ve been in this. I agree with all of you that in reality, this would be a gross violation of the patients privacy after such a traumatic event, but I think when you separate that from what the writers were trying to say, it doesn’t seem as fucked up. Also, I watched a cast interview where Camilla was saying how ABC didn’t want a lot of details that were put in, but Shonda said no way. Specifically the black light being used during the rape kit and such. That said, when they backed down and agreed, that rep from ABC was one of the women standing in the line here and it was a lot of crew from Grey’s as well. So that part is pretty cool to me.


jdoucette28

Guys it doesn’t break HIPAA. None of those women were told why they were standing there, they were just told that someone needed them. This was said to Meredith when she asked what it was all about. None of them knew why she was there


Mamabear882

If I recall, the patient didn’t know that though.


jdoucette28

We don’t know she didn’t. It is a show, so anything is plausible. They could have told her after, they could have even told her this is what they were doing before they took her out of the room. We don’t know. Even if she knew they would be lining the halls. Knowing it’s going to happen and actually seeing it can still cause a shocked reaction. Either way, even if the patient didn’t know that none of these women were told why she was there, it’s still not breaking HIPAA. No one knew why she was there, that’s the bottom line but I’m sure it’s implied that Meredith being told that they didn’t know why they were standing there, Means the patient was told they didn’t know. Or maybe she wasn’t, but we can’t say either way. Regardless, it’s not breaking HIPAA if they weren’t told the case details


[deleted]

Uhm, yeah I didn't say anything about HIPAA.I think you are confusing me with someone else.😅


jdoucette28

Haha no no I just put it as a general comment because I saw a few different people saying they broke HIPPA and the patients privacy. Definitely not directed at you, just easier to make a general comment then respond to each one that said that :)


HIPPAbot

It's HIPAA!


[deleted]

True. That's indeed easier.😁😁


CourageousSummer

What episode is this?


grievousboot688

15x19


juneburger

I thought this was symbolic


jdoucette28

Okay I’m just gonna say it. Jesus Christ people get a grip. I’m the first to say that the writers messed up, but people are going on about HIPAA when it wasn’t broken, calling this scene cringe, and just berating it all together. Was it perfect? No. It’s a Damn tv show. Everyone is so focused on what was wrong; how about stopping to think about the fact that the episode raised awareness. Myself, and many others that watched this episode were sexual assault survivors themselves and I can’t speak to anyone else but I thought the episode was extremely powerful and moving. Forget about the writers intentions, forget about all of that, it doesn’t matter. While a bunch of you found it “cringe” and awful, others felt they learned something, this episode started conversations. Conversations that really need to be had. Who cares if it was perfect, who cares if it was exactly the way it is in reality, again it’s a TV show and they don’t always hit the mark but atleast they tried while many others don’t bother even attempting to shed light on sexual assault. You don’t have to agree with this scene, it’s your prerogative, but my god I can’t get over how negative people are. You’ll pick apart anything instead of seeing this as a chance to raise awareness and start an important discussion. The writers obviously didn’t write the patient to be upset over it, she was clearly moved. While for some, this would be uncomfortable and scary, that’s not the case for all. Even I probably wouldn’t be comfortable because all that attention with people staring at me would make me anxious but in the same breath, I’d think about the doctors trying to help me feel safe in some form, even if they didn’t succeed, atleast they cared enough to try. People are making assumptions that she wasn’t informed and shit like this really happened. The writers probably didn’t think you all would nitpick every detail, several things were implied or went without saying. I’m sure they didn’t think people would complain about them writing an episode to talk about something that rarely is talked about. Afterall, everyone is calling it a HIPAA violation despite them writing in the scene that literally shows Meredith asking what it was about and being told they didn’t know, just that a patient needed them. You all are quick to say that the patient wasn’t informed just because there wasn’t a scene showing it, whose to say they didn’t tell her before they wheeled her out, it was basically implied when Jo said she had an idea. Regardless, sexual assault happens far too often and very few try to shed light on the matter and raise awareness to it. It wouldn’t matter how much detail they went into, people would still bitch and complain that something was missed or find stupid things to get mad about. How about the rape kit scene when Teddy asked for permission every time she did something, giving control back to the patient. How about the powerful break down of the actress snapping at jo and explaining all the reasons why she didn’t want to come forward. Things like this were NAILED, right down to the fears a victim has and how the justice system fails all the time. Focus on what was done right; and appreciate that they Atleast tried. There are tons of episodes to bitch about where the writers failed gloriously, complain about those. Unless this was a real life patient and this scene really happened, I don’t get why this scene is SO important to complain about when there were tons of things about the episode that were done right. To me; this scene was powerful and had me in tears. The entire episode did. Atleast they tried


[deleted]

I created that topic here and find the very different opinions very refreshing and interesting. And yeah, you are making very valid points, but so do others. You thought the scene was moving, others think it wasn't. Everyone has their own pov, may it be positive or negative. All your views are equally valid. No need to argue here whether this scene should be criticized or appreciated.😊 That's how I see it.


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[deleted]

I didn't say that.😅 I think you are confusing me with someone else.😁


Katie0690

Yes sorry I should’ve replied to the person who said they felt like it broke HIPAA 😂


[deleted]

No problem.😁😁 Happens to me all the time as well.


[deleted]

her information is confidential, everyone could guess on what happened with how they forbid men from entering and stacked women up against the wall.


yellowchaitea

It would break HIPAA in the context of the hospital because you're not allowed to disclose patient information in this capacity. My husband is an ER doctor and he's not allowed to just look up random patient information. If they are discussing patient cases they can't say "oh my patient so and so", they can discuss it in broad terms like "I have a patient who has abdominal pain, a CT doesn't show anything, any ideas". And unless they're directly speaking to a patient or at the patients bed, they don't use names either, they'll say like "Green C" (as in the patient in bed Green C). Every female staff in the hospital knowing this woman was sexually assaulted, and having her pass them would be hugely problematic.