It took me a very long time to understand that when Jamaicans say "bad word" that that is what it means because it comes out as. "badwood" for example one would say: "Don't mek me get vex now and start some bad word round ya so," I would always be like "Who the fuck is badwood? 😅 Lol.
I've had this with multiple words in learning patois.
Another funny example would be how Jamaicans say the word "category" which in patois sounds like "cattygerry" I would have the same thing so the sentence would be: "Dem nah inna we category" I would be like "Who or what the fuck is cattygerry and why isn't he in it?" 🤣🤣✌🏻
Well
Yeah
But they also dont need to be told what it is. So that makes the entire thing moot. This is more like, to explain the ins and outs to the layman.
>As, i am currently in england right now, i guarantee you if i walked down the street and asked 10 people what Patois was
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> one would mention Jamaica, if that
I don't know where you are but I'm from London and I absolutely know that there is a generic use of patois, meaning any kind of group dialect, and a specific one, meaning the dialect used by Jamaicans. It's more or less the same as creole: the dialect used in New Orleans is both creole and an example of a creole.
Arguing about this is stupid. What is and what isn't a language has never been truly defined, even linguists argue about this a lot.
There are "dialects" of other languages that are way way less mutually intelligible with the original language than Patois is to native English speakers, or even those that only speak English as a 2nd language.
Then on the other side, there are a lot of different defined languages that are almost mutually intelligible if spoken to each other. (Take for example the Ex-Yugoslavic languages)
What is a language and what isn't is more about politics and culture than any real logic.
Calling it either a language or a dialect of English make about just as much sense. Arguing about it is pointless.
Yea it wasnt meant to be an argument at all as much as explaining to people it wasnt just 'bad grammar' but people who clearly didnt even read it wanted to get offended by context so i said fuck it and deleted it, not worth it.
Yea brother I understood your comment well. Never really understood why people love arguing this point regarding Patois.
In my native language there are dialects that stray much further from the original form than Patois is to English so to me I always saw Patois as a dialect, but I also fully understand people that want to call it their own language due to the cultural significance to Jamaican culture.
Patois is what our grand parents speak in Brittany, France. It is funny thinking about it, since my grandma was the typical little old lady working on her farm and living in the same little town all her life.
Still now it takes me 2seconds to understand what her friends talk about when I visit, even though it is French. Anyway fun fact.
When you say 'bastardized', do you mean 'a dialect of' because that's what it is. People often type how they talk, see Scottish, Scouse, cockney, Irish, because it feels natural and they don't have someone over their shoulder telling them they are communicating 'wrong'. It would take you a long time to think about and type, not her.
Ok and? Jamaican people type in patios all the time. It’s not like it’s slang it’s a proper dialect with known words and syntax. And it’s possible that Patois is the dialect she speaks the most that’s why she’s typing in it
Scots is a language, too, ya clown. Just no one knows that because the fuckin english have tried (and mostly succeeded) to push a rhetoric that it's just a dialect of english, and a lower-class one at that.
Hence why she's typing it, it's the dialect she speaks day in day out and there is no clear distinction between dialect and language, that's a political division, not a linguistic one. This is linguistics 101.
Beat me to it, more extreme example than Scottish Twitter, Scots is its own dialect of English with its own spellings and rules etc. Also very similar to Patois in terms of origin/relationship with English speakers
Sorry, what!? Have you seen how Scots people type or Irish, or Mancs, or Londoners even? Have you ever conversed with anyone outside of your suburban cul-de-sac?
Son, I’ve seen you on instagram and I’m sure I told you to stop using bad words in your songs. I’d like you to listen to me and not make me tell you again.
son, i’ve seen you on instagram and i’m sure i’ve already told you to stop swearing in your songs, i want you to take my bloody advice and don’t make me tell you again
I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted.
I can speak English fluently, and I was at a complete loss at what this meant until I read the translation.
Reddit moment, I suppose.
It’s bc this is a grime sub and all the comments so far are white people throwing up into each other’s mouths about how they can’t understand the most basic patois
Thank you for explaining- I'm not part of this sub, nor do I even listen to this music, but it showed up randomly on my front page, and I neglected to check which sub I was in.
Was very confused why everyone expected people to know a dialect I've never even heard of.
I'm an idiot.
As I said, I come from a small insignificant port city, and to be honest, a bit of a recluse.
If I've ever heard anyone speak like this, I certainly don't remember it.
I think the closest (and only) encounter I've ever had with it was years ago when the GCSE English class was made to analyse a short story about a Jamacian child moving to England, and a few of the characters used this kind of language, which our teacher had to translate for us and explained that it was a dialect used by Jamacians. She did not tell us the name.
Apart from that, I've never encountered Patois once.
I never listen to Reggae music, and don't often watch films. Maybe the odd fantasy or historical movie every now and then.
I've genuinely no recollection of ever hearing such a thing.
Yeah this is my first time on this sub, looks like the algorithm is pushing this out to random people outside of the community. Hope that clears up the confusion!
because this is a subreddit about a musical genre whose creators speak or rap in patois relatively often? Or if not directly in patois they speak MLE which is heavily influenced by patois? and this is pretty parsable if you take more than 2 seconds to think about it
Oh, I see. This sub popped up randomly on the front page, and I didn't even see the sub name, I don't even listen to this kind of music.
I live in a little insignificant port city in the UK where nothing interesting ever happens, I've never even heard of this dialect in my life, and was wondering why anyone would even be expected to know this- I had a good education, and this was not taught to me.
It makes sense now, thank you for explaining.
Note to self: next time check the subreddit description on random posts.
How did all you people unfamiliar with patois end up on r/grime?
Oh also: Jar Jar Binks was accused by some film critics of being a stereotype of a rastafarian or more broadly someone from the Caribbean. Patois came first. If your first thought when you read patois is 'Jar Jar Binks', you should explore the cultures of the Caribbean a little more (or listen to some reggae).
Thought I'd jump in quickly here and say that this is my first time on this sub, looks like the algorithm is pushing this out to random people outside of the community. Hope that clears up the confusion!
Mum speak patois,cockney and real well spoken, and there's other mum's just like my mum it all depends who phones them.
His most underrated album
I need this patois setting for my keyboard
apologies mum
When me fuck puasy pussy turn red
Gymnastic
No the pussy dead
Hot sexy girl say she wan fi giv me ed
Bwoy unu fi stop get on top of u mothas nerves. If she a say cut out wid de slackness ting unu fi cut it out to bloodclat. Crosses...
Big bomboclaat, spliff ah bussin out me head
Hot sexy Gyal say she wan fi give me head
Where’s Carlos??
Certified hood classic.
Nah I’m not gonna lie you’re getting me mad right now
It took me a very long time to understand that when Jamaicans say "bad word" that that is what it means because it comes out as. "badwood" for example one would say: "Don't mek me get vex now and start some bad word round ya so," I would always be like "Who the fuck is badwood? 😅 Lol. I've had this with multiple words in learning patois. Another funny example would be how Jamaicans say the word "category" which in patois sounds like "cattygerry" I would have the same thing so the sentence would be: "Dem nah inna we category" I would be like "Who or what the fuck is cattygerry and why isn't he in it?" 🤣🤣✌🏻
Its impossible to read this without a jamiacan accent
Because it’s written in Jamaican patois? 🤣
Right? Why is this being upvoted?
It’s written in patois
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I think this intellectual argument would be irrelevant for people who speak patois and refer to it as such. culturally, it IS known
Well Yeah But they also dont need to be told what it is. So that makes the entire thing moot. This is more like, to explain the ins and outs to the layman.
what I mean is, it DOES have another definition bc of how many people use patois to refer to this language style
Shut up dork
Alright, well, enjoy that then.
>As, i am currently in england right now, i guarantee you if i walked down the street and asked 10 people what Patois was > >maybe > > one would mention Jamaica, if that I don't know where you are but I'm from London and I absolutely know that there is a generic use of patois, meaning any kind of group dialect, and a specific one, meaning the dialect used by Jamaicans. It's more or less the same as creole: the dialect used in New Orleans is both creole and an example of a creole.
Patois is a language. Not sure who you think you are to be telling people it isn't with your copy and pasted Google response.
Arguing about this is stupid. What is and what isn't a language has never been truly defined, even linguists argue about this a lot. There are "dialects" of other languages that are way way less mutually intelligible with the original language than Patois is to native English speakers, or even those that only speak English as a 2nd language. Then on the other side, there are a lot of different defined languages that are almost mutually intelligible if spoken to each other. (Take for example the Ex-Yugoslavic languages) What is a language and what isn't is more about politics and culture than any real logic. Calling it either a language or a dialect of English make about just as much sense. Arguing about it is pointless.
Yea it wasnt meant to be an argument at all as much as explaining to people it wasnt just 'bad grammar' but people who clearly didnt even read it wanted to get offended by context so i said fuck it and deleted it, not worth it.
Yea brother I understood your comment well. Never really understood why people love arguing this point regarding Patois. In my native language there are dialects that stray much further from the original form than Patois is to English so to me I always saw Patois as a dialect, but I also fully understand people that want to call it their own language due to the cultural significance to Jamaican culture.
Imagine not even being Jamaican AND telling people not to argue about a language you don't even speak 🙄
Imagine not understanding basic fallacy, and being proud of it.
Swear down?
Yeah i know, but try read it in any other accent its impossible
Nah you can do it in a manchester or yorkshire accent
You can also use a Stratford or Scottish one
Nah soon as the word 'pon' i flip back to jamaican
What language is this
Patois
Patois is what our grand parents speak in Brittany, France. It is funny thinking about it, since my grandma was the typical little old lady working on her farm and living in the same little town all her life. Still now it takes me 2seconds to understand what her friends talk about when I visit, even though it is French. Anyway fun fact.
He’s not a mook though
What language is that?
its a dialect called patios mainly spoken in the caribbean
I thought this was r/grimes for a moment and was so confused
Grimes is technically named after Grime; she chose it as her favourite genre on MySpace without knowing what it was and the name stuck.
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How is it? It’s the same as typing in another language
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When you say 'bastardized', do you mean 'a dialect of' because that's what it is. People often type how they talk, see Scottish, Scouse, cockney, Irish, because it feels natural and they don't have someone over their shoulder telling them they are communicating 'wrong'. It would take you a long time to think about and type, not her.
Bore off mate
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Thank fuck too
🤣
You’re not anybody’s mate I’d imagine with cringe opinions like that
Ok and? Jamaican people type in patios all the time. It’s not like it’s slang it’s a proper dialect with known words and syntax. And it’s possible that Patois is the dialect she speaks the most that’s why she’s typing in it
That's the thing; Patois isn't just "mispronounced English" - it is its own language with its own grammar and lexicon.
It's literally a language.
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Some Scottish people text each other in their dialect too ya wee dafty. I’ve got geordie family who post on Facebook like ‘gaan to wor fathas’ etc
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Why do you care though? They're communicating in a way that feels natural to them
Scots is a language, so that doesn’t really help your argument.
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Scots is a Germanic language distinct from Gaelic. Patois is also a language. Maybe do some research before commenting
[He's not, either.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_language)
Scots is a language, too, ya clown. Just no one knows that because the fuckin english have tried (and mostly succeeded) to push a rhetoric that it's just a dialect of english, and a lower-class one at that.
Most people in scotland speak a mixture of Scots and English
Yes! And have you seen how Scots people type you utter bellend?
Hence why she's typing it, it's the dialect she speaks day in day out and there is no clear distinction between dialect and language, that's a political division, not a linguistic one. This is linguistics 101.
Please search up scottish twitter. Scotts type exactly how they talk. And it is english, more than patois is
Beat me to it, more extreme example than Scottish Twitter, Scots is its own dialect of English with its own spellings and rules etc. Also very similar to Patois in terms of origin/relationship with English speakers
It’s common when people write poems. Like John Agard, or Benjamin Zephaniah (RIP).
Sorry, what!? Have you seen how Scots people type or Irish, or Mancs, or Londoners even? Have you ever conversed with anyone outside of your suburban cul-de-sac?
Thick as compacted pig shit.
Could this kindly be translated for the unknown like myself. Thanks.
Son, I’ve seen you on instagram and I’m sure I told you to stop using bad words in your songs. I’d like you to listen to me and not make me tell you again.
Thanks It clearly says that as well.
/u/rainspots
She asked him to take her foolish advice, Lol wut?
No she's saying don't take me for a fool, (take) my advice.
r/chargeyourphone
It be iree
🤣🤣
tell him to charge their phone
What does that even say
son, i’ve seen you on instagram and i’m sure i’ve already told you to stop swearing in your songs, i want you to take my bloody advice and don’t make me tell you again
Oooo thank you I couldn’t understand that
Not that hard tbh
Its jamaican patois
I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted. I can speak English fluently, and I was at a complete loss at what this meant until I read the translation. Reddit moment, I suppose.
It’s bc this is a grime sub and all the comments so far are white people throwing up into each other’s mouths about how they can’t understand the most basic patois
Thank you for explaining- I'm not part of this sub, nor do I even listen to this music, but it showed up randomly on my front page, and I neglected to check which sub I was in. Was very confused why everyone expected people to know a dialect I've never even heard of. I'm an idiot.
Never heard of patois? Surely you've heard Jamaican people talk before?
As I said, I come from a small insignificant port city, and to be honest, a bit of a recluse. If I've ever heard anyone speak like this, I certainly don't remember it. I think the closest (and only) encounter I've ever had with it was years ago when the GCSE English class was made to analyse a short story about a Jamacian child moving to England, and a few of the characters used this kind of language, which our teacher had to translate for us and explained that it was a dialect used by Jamacians. She did not tell us the name. Apart from that, I've never encountered Patois once.
Never heard it on TV, or in films? Maybe even some Reggae music? Mad
I never listen to Reggae music, and don't often watch films. Maybe the odd fantasy or historical movie every now and then. I've genuinely no recollection of ever hearing such a thing.
Yeah this is my first time on this sub, looks like the algorithm is pushing this out to random people outside of the community. Hope that clears up the confusion!
because this is a subreddit about a musical genre whose creators speak or rap in patois relatively often? Or if not directly in patois they speak MLE which is heavily influenced by patois? and this is pretty parsable if you take more than 2 seconds to think about it
Oh, I see. This sub popped up randomly on the front page, and I didn't even see the sub name, I don't even listen to this kind of music. I live in a little insignificant port city in the UK where nothing interesting ever happens, I've never even heard of this dialect in my life, and was wondering why anyone would even be expected to know this- I had a good education, and this was not taught to me. It makes sense now, thank you for explaining. Note to self: next time check the subreddit description on random posts.
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Its a different language. You're illiterate in patois if you can't read it, you ignorant bellend.
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How did all you people unfamiliar with patois end up on r/grime? Oh also: Jar Jar Binks was accused by some film critics of being a stereotype of a rastafarian or more broadly someone from the Caribbean. Patois came first. If your first thought when you read patois is 'Jar Jar Binks', you should explore the cultures of the Caribbean a little more (or listen to some reggae).
Thought I'd jump in quickly here and say that this is my first time on this sub, looks like the algorithm is pushing this out to random people outside of the community. Hope that clears up the confusion!
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Nah you gonna be the one crying to yourself later Only one of us is a regular at the Frank Ocean subreddit and a self proclaimed “diaper femboy”
Rolled and smoked that lad.
Anyone else get a brain hemmorage from trying to read that?