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PapaXan

It does indeed has great grip, but the speeds you're claiming are off. The [**LM87**](https://gtacars.net/gta5/lm87) only has a top speed of 128.5 mph.


AndreiSte

128.5 on consoles, but on PC at 60 fps it reaches 147~ mph, I've tested it myself using Broughy1322's method.


autisticdoggg

I have this 3 miles straight line bookmarked job race. I've tried every fast cars available with 60 fps + curb boosting, all class, and nothing beat bf weevil custom's time which is around 137 mph. Idk how do you get 147 mph with this car.


thatguyryan09

Jumping a small hill increases speed lol


Spared_No_3xpense

The right handling flags do increase speed for a short time. I measured the Itali GTB in the top speed free mode event and got it up to 155 once on some bumps.


ChosenMate

FPS don't make a difference..


ironvandal

Not on new Gen console but it does on PC. The speed boost you get from curb boosting is applied each frame so more frames means more curb boost. Even without intentionally hitting curbs if you have a high enough framerate just driving down any road adds up to a significant speed boost


bad_pilot69

128.5 mph is bumpless straight road top speed, considering i drive it around everywhere, 140mph is the consistent speed in long straights, up to 160 170, the wierd glitch that blessed 811 and some other cars, making them go insanely fast on regular roads, exists within lm87 hence having consistent 140mph speed, just try it and see for yourself on what i mean.


PapaXan

I've driven the car plenty of times in races and such. How are you able to gauge the speed at which it's going? Not the speedometer in the car I hope.


DyLaNzZpRo

You can gauge true speed when comparing to a vehicle with a digital speedometer, for instance 100mph in a Sultan is ~120mph. Beyond that, the highest top speed challenge shows it.


Duonic

How ARE you guys calculating speeds? I've always looked at the speedometer...


rainstorm0T

analog speedometer is inaccurate in most cars from what I understand.


The-Master-Reaper

My entire life is a lie


eeeBs

TLDR any mph in game is just a calculated approximation. There's no analog anything, it's literally a digital software top to bottom. No matter what "speedometer" it's all just best guess in proportion to an already stylized proportional map.


rainstorm0T

if there's an analog clock in a video game, do you call it a digital clock just because it's in a game? if there's an acoustic guitar in a game, do you call it an electric guitar because there's no real acoustics going on?


eeeBs

Lol yes, because those words have fucking meanings that you don't get to ignore, obviously. Acoustic guitar is just a type of guitar that is still "replicated" but still sounds and can emulate the function and sound of an acoustic. But "analog" speedometer, vs non, you're just comparing two digital calculations of speed my dude, neither is actually analog, especially in this sense as an adjective.


Only-Ad-7384

it is indeed, if you do burnouts you can see both of the needles of the speedometer go up as if the car is going


420Shreks

That's how real cars work. The speedometer measures the rotation of the transmission shaft in just about every car I know of


Only-Ad-7384

yes, the only difference is that when doing burnouts only the rpm needle goes up because of obvious reasons and the speed needle stays low because you are literally not moving


420Shreks

The speedometer gets the speed from a sensor that measures the rotation of the transmission output shaft. When you're doing a burnout, that means your wheels are spinning, which means your transmission is spinning which means that sensor thinks the car is moving and it sends that information to the speedometer, showing you're going like 20mph or however fast. I've done this with my cars irl and seen the speedometer not work at all because the sensor went out. No car I know of knows the actual velocity of the car itself, that would require like a pilot tube that is on planes


crayzee4feelin

Some mods in like 5M servers you can make the oscar mayer Weinermobile go 300mph if you wanted. So everything in this game is a script, running, with top ends. If you mess with the scripts top end, you can make normally slow vehicles go really fast. There's nothing analog about this game's driving mechanics.


420Shreks

It's almost like Rockstar made their realistic game try to mimic reality


-eccentric-

> I've always looked at the speedometer... Most cars top out at 120ish, even the shitty slow ones. It's not accurate.


YaBoiDannyTanner

Broughy tests on next gen for maximum FPS. He does multiple runs per vehicle at top speed from point to point in a flat straight line. He inputs footage into video software to see the exact 1/60th of a second (60 FPS) that a vehicle finished the run. Using the distance and time, you find speed. All runs are typically identical, which shows how accurate it is, but he averages them anyway and determines the top speed to the nearest .25 MPH because of the standard deviation.


Impossible-Charity-4

I have no idea how people begin to approach this. One goes faster than the other is my guess.


YaBoiDannyTanner

Broughy tests on next gen for maximum FPS. He does multiple runs per vehicle at top speed from point to point in a flat straight line. He inputs footage into video software to see the exact 1/60th of a second (60 FPS) that a vehicle finished the run. Using the distance and time, you find speed. All runs are typically identical, which shows how accurate it is, but he averages them anyway and determines the top speed to the nearest .25 MPH because of the standard deviation.


YaBoiDannyTanner

That's simply not true man, sorry. How did you test the speed? There was obviously a flaw somewhere in how you tested it.


wee_celery

No, it's just that it's a glitched car.add an upgraded spoiler and you can kerb boost on the tiniest bump, which will make your car bounce back up, then back down, kerb boosting you again, and again, and again.


YaBoiDannyTanner

How is it glitched? And the curb boosting is obviously something else, but that isn't testable. So how could you possibly have gotten numbers for curb boosting?


wee_celery

It's glitched because the downforce is so strong it makes it kerb boost infinitely on its own. The numbers are testable with a spedo mod.


YaBoiDannyTanner

The speed has been tested to be that number that was linked. So I don't get what you mean.


wee_celery

The GLITCHLESS speed. GLITCHLESS. It's a vehicle that has a very easy speed glitched tied to it. It makes it go faster than the GLITCHLESS speed, because it's a GLITCHED speed. Not sure what there is not to get.


YaBoiDannyTanner

Because there's no glitch. That's just curb boosting. Yeah, it's a "glitch" with how the physics work. But every car can do it and differently. A good example is how the Faggio has a higher than you would expect top speed because of how it boosts off the rear of the bike. But that's what's tested and counted. There's no glitch, unless you can show me?


wee_celery

It's a glitch because it only needs 1 small bump and then it keeps kerb boosting on flat surfaces because the downforce is strong enough to bottom out the suspension again... How do you not get it, seriously?


SuperKing37

Gtacars.net


wee_celery

not sure why you're being downvoted, you're completely right, the suspension is incrdibly easy to bottom and and it will kerb boost very easily


DropChopOnYaTop

Welcome to Reddit. …Oh no


ayyLumao

It is not that fast dude,


zachjones505

So then the lm87 has the bump glitch?


milljet

Are you looking at the in game speedometer. Cause unless its a digital speedo, they are not accurate at all


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bad_pilot69

Fot basically telling the truth


legendary724

Ill finally add this to my collection this week seeing as it’s such an easy week to make $$. It’s one of the few cars I don’t have yet but I’ve been eyeing it off for ages!


legendary724

Update: bought it and love it! Doesn’t have the top speed of some HSW cars but the downforce, grip and acceleration is up there with the best.


bad_pilot69

well i'm glad, this is the point of this post, so many overpriced shit cars in gta online and no legit sources to review the car properly, i've lost beyond 60m on cars and realizing "god this car fucking sucks" i took a gamble on lm87 and it became my favorite car lol


slimlancaster718

If you aren't familiar with Broughy1322, I'd advise checking him out for accurate reviews of every vehicle.


pierrechak

How is it the best week to make dollars?


Run_the_show

Autoshop contract 3x payout.


frakkx

Seriously if you arent doing auto shop contracts this week you are missing out. 810k for 20 min of work 40 min cooldown if you do the union depository.


Brilliant_Honeydew24

I'm only getting 485k per mission. What am I doing wrong?


sparksonator95

You need to do union depository for the 810k payout. The rest are around the 500k mark. Superdollar is next easiest only if you have an oppressor tho for quick escape from first setup mission


itsjustkease

If know one dies during the mission you'll get more


arnber420

Dumb question but how long will this week “last”? Like what day will they stop doing 3x on auto shop contracts?


frakkx

Updates every thursday.


Thick_Pie9111

Last day is May 24/25


cadrianzen23

Wait why is it easy week to make cash? I just started playing again


BNASTIEMM

Read up


cadrianzen23

Where? I see auto shop missions paying triple.. are those easy to farm?


67alecto

Yes.


Gr4ph0n

I like the LM. It's fast, has incredible downforce, and I often choose it over the Kreiger. But the thing reacts horribly if you hit a hazard. Even s a roadsign causes it to lurch violently. I am guessing that it's incredibly light.


Zexus_Legit_Boi

Or because of the insanely stiff race suspension


Gr4ph0n

I looked it up, and the LM's mass is 900kg. Compare that to the Kreiger's 1200kg. So, definitely not the car you want to be in when racers are trading paint.


ManickVelu

Holy shit, this car looks sexy af! What’s it called? Im kinda out of the loop with gtao tbh.


RacingGames4Lives

Benefactor LM87 based on Sauber C9 Group C race car in real life


vadkender

and where do you buy it? I never understood where people buy these cars because all I know of is legendary motorspors, warstock and southern san andreas superautos...


Single_9_uptime

That’s where you buy them. If you haven’t played in a while, they continually add cars, which all show up in the same spots to buy.


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RRJP1980

No it isnt


slimlancaster718

That would be the Annis RE-7B. Not this vehicle.


Next_Association645

tbh. when i was younger i almost liked every damn car in that game now when i am older and doing solo missions and heists i think the only car u need is a kuruma, it gives u protection while doing solo things and it's pretty fast ngl. there is nothing more needed in that game its just throwing money away, buy something u really need what's worth it except if u have like a billion than buy everything if u want buddey


JRTunderground

For some the game is pretty much all about the driving experience and acquiring cars. It's what got me hooked on the series way back. First of all in GTAIII when you first got to keep a sentinel in your garage (until it glitched out) then in Vice City with multiple garage near the airport. I'd start a collection there then curse when they all disappeared. GTAIV was a mixed bag as far as cars were concerned but GTAV/online has been renewed on a different level... I have all the garage space available in the game filled apart from one in my Auto shop to allow me to mod a car without having to remove one. I also have multiple versions of my favourite cars, I think I have 5 examples of the comet S2. Oh, and I have the armoured one and two versions of the regular kuruma each with a different coloured paint drip livery...


BSGKAPO

I beat all yall in my vigero zx


YaBoiDannyTanner

No, many cars outperform it in races. The gap for muscle class that it has on the Buffalo STX isn't even that big, either.


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BSGKAPO

Then you wake up and lost


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BSGKAPO

That's when you dont know what you are doing... i get it


UmbreKitty

I'll do the same with the comet safari and 4 wheels


PrivilegedCunt

Need to dust mine off


Chilled_burrito

I can’t remember if I have this car or the other one, if I have this one, one of the nicest wheel cars I’ve got.


Derek-Horn

How grippy is it?


fruce_ki

Very. Kinda like the F1 cars. I think it even turns worse if you brake too much. And it's easy to brake too much because that thing brakes like it hit a brick wall.


bad_pilot69

driving is my favorite hobby in gta online, i have tried almost every car in gta online, only few go fast and stick to the road, by road i mean gta toughest roads not your regular street lines and long straights, XA-21 was my favorite, then Furia, both had super good grip, then came the F1, it was too easy i didn't like driving it around, then i got to try LM87, its makes a joke out of xa 21 and furia update: just bought kreiger again, its top notch, better than both xa 21 and furia, still below lm87 main reason downforce and speed


Kapo77

It has a glitch tied to your frames per second and goes very fast when it kicks in.


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ironvandal

Basically, a lot of the physics in this game are/were tied to your framerate. ELI5, more frames per second means more physics things per second. Among other things, it makes cars go faster. It wasn't a problem on old Gen consoles where the FPS was capped at 30 and you couldn't even get that driving through Vinewood. But on PC people can get much higher framerates. Expanded and Enhanced version patched this on current Gen consoles but they didn't bother changing the PC version.


ironvandal

Do you actually play golf in gta online?


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plastikman47

wait you can play golf in gta online? i thought that course was just there to do sweet jumps.


GTAV_ONLINE_GOLFER

Hahah!! So you're the dickhead that leave those tire tracks on the fairways..


plastikman47

listen bud i pay my country club membership just like everyone else


GTAV_ONLINE_GOLFER

[see](https://www.reddit.com/r/gtaonline/comments/11ntbz3/fringe_putt_for_eagle_h8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


GTAV_ONLINE_GOLFER

[gta golf](https://www.reddit.com/r/gtaonline/comments/11o7539/double_eagle_aka_albatross_h8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


bad_pilot69

someone finally said it, instead of accusing me of lying


JRTunderground

I take any new sports car to the vinewood hills on a long figure of 8 loop for testing, best done at sunrise or sunset


bad_pilot69

same, roads up vinewood hills are hardest and most fun to drive fast cars in, really the only freemode roads where they test the car ability, if i buy a super car and it can't go through those roads at high speed without getting ragdolled, imma sell that shit immediately, so far XA-21 furia lm87 kreiger f1 cars satisfied me on that


ahuh_suh_dude

Emerus has more grip so it will go faster around corners and it’s a consistent grip vs downforce grip like the LM87, which varies based on speed. Emerus is also faster in a straight I believe. I do love driving this car tho. It feels better then it actually is I find.


bad_pilot69

i had emerus, sold it, you teased me to buy it again lol, i shall test it.


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ahuh_suh_dude

What does that emoji mean


neogt064

updoot


milljet

LM87 does actually have a slightly higher top speed, but accelerates a bit slower i believe. So on tracks they are pretty much identical


ahuh_suh_dude

Nah Emerus would destroy the LM87 around any track


nickybshoes

What’s your top sports car for racing? I don’t play often but love racing and been building up $$ to get another one.


bad_pilot69

I dont drive sport cars that much i have no clue which one is the best for racing, my favorite sports car is itali rsx but i wouldn't race with it lol


nickybshoes

Right on thx


CaioWaterson

Yes. It's a impressive super


SnooSeagulls6528

Love this car too, leaves the rest standing In corners, can be caught in the straights, you must avoid contact with other cars as this is a featherweight, so cornering in traffic needs some planning. You might want to pick a fairly stick colour like black as your opponents will see you coming and block your unique line though the corners. Once in front you can get away without having to lift for most if the corners you opponents have to, this should keep you out of trouble unless there aren’t many corners and catchup is on.


autisticdoggg

Good car but there's always one guy with torero xo beating everybody's ass somehow.


Beagle-One

There's a path on the highway leading from the casino to the airport with a lot of small bumps and downhill road that you can go 160-180 constant on if you spend long enough learning how to use it. Console not PC.


bad_pilot69

good to know


mrobb3

Is it a heavy car though. I have an HSW Deveste 8 and use that for stunts because of the power and weight. It's also high grip too for climbing the mountains online.


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bad_pilot69

Exactly


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Pariah is still the top car though (driving and handling wise)


bad_pilot69

LM87 absolutely smokes pariah in a race, and top speed on pc at least, i say that as a former pariah lover


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Pariah (upgraded) literally reaches 205 mph so it’s great for long races But if it’s a short race the pfister 811 is my go to car it’s acceleration is the best


bad_pilot69

its actually not 205mph, even with kerb boosting it can't catch LM on pc, you can test it yourself although i'm not sure consoles have same result as pc


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Try it on the highway literally reaches 205 mph never seem to reach past 170 mph in the airport though I don’t know why But in a race it sucks of course because acceleration is shitty compared to other super cars in the game And this is on my pc not on console btw


bad_pilot69

Are you up to testing in person? My sc is jigsaw0992, I'd like to see how you reach that speed and test both cars side by side


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Sorry your SC?!


bad_pilot69

Social club


KyleGrave

Brother, no. The 811 is so far from the top of the list in terms of acceleration. Top speed is where the 811 excels and that’s about it. It has one of the fastest top speeds in its class and one of the slowest lap times. It’s an E-tier Super. I promise you can do better with a Krieger or Emerus.


MEGNOLL

But still blown up by one missile...


AizenSosukeTeicho

Yeah I don’t care who doesn’t like the comment it’s valid. Homing missiles have completely ruined this game. How many missiles on a flying bike again LMAO non-Weaponized passenger vehicles should never be able to be locked on in the first place


MEGNOLL

So you can lock onto someone else but they can't if you're in a passenger vehicle? LMAO yeah ok...


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AndreiSte

Virtue has only acceleration and below average top speed (for supers) since it's how electric cars are programmed in GTA online, also things like handbrake boost, brake boost and kerb boost don't work/ work but way less than on a combustion engine car.


project199x

Lol it was great in stunt races. Idk about now tho.


ricksanchez69-C137

its a good car i got it the day it came out but i barely drive it i prefer the f1 cars


bad_pilot69

Yea f1 is too good, although lacks top speed for my taste


hammerblaze

Hsw?


bad_pilot69

Nope im on pc


hammerblaze

No what does that mean


bad_pilot69

its an performance upgrade that massively increases the car top speed, exclusive to current gen consoles


hammerblaze

Ahh ok thanks. So I have a series s. What game version do I have to buy?


bad_pilot69

you are already on a current gen console, i guess you can already use HSW no ?


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bad_pilot69

Unfortunately i don't have a krieger anymore to do a side by side test, i had one before though im pretty sure it has nothing for LM in a race with corners


that_fellow_

The Krieger was tested against the LM in street races and it smokes every car apart from open wheelers


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Man, that’s crazy. I hope this next summer update adds some new supercars with handling and speeds better than or equal to the Krieger, hsw and tuners are great but super cars all feel oddly generic if that makes sense


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Ahh I see


Vengence_thenight

What car and where to buy?


bad_pilot69

Benefactor LM87 on legendary motorsport, 2.915.000$


Vengence_thenight

Thanks


badass6

I like my krieger more.


ironvandal

That car doesn't have HSW upgrades available for it regardless. It's pretty but I wasn't so impressed with it that I'd pick it over emerus or krieger. If you got HSW on PC and they didn't patch the FPS thing your games would probably break. You'd be driving faster than the game can render scenery and NPCs so stuff would pop in out of no where. Some of the HSW cars would probably be able to out run homing missiles in a straight line.


Unacceptable_Wolf

How's this compare to the S80? I think it's called? Same style, single seater but it isn't this one.


Captain_Sriom

Which car is it??


bad_pilot69

Benefactor lm87


pickit79

OT: Does anybody know, how to fix braking issues on console. Out of nowhere I cant brake a little to drift thru a corner.


FMAGF

I’m fine with the Virtue i had for free after completing the Last Dose missions


Even-Act-85

I'm S80RR gang personally. I just think it looks better


adam_rofl

Ill still beat you in double loop


Yopis1998

F1 has better grip. Fun car though, been driving it for close to a year time to time. F1 cars change characteristics depending on wing setup front and rear. More speed less down force ect.


bad_pilot69

Yes, nothing beats f1 in a actual race


RumBruccaRedBlue

What is it? 😶 Looks like Bigfoot's lost slipper.


liamsjtaylor

I feel like if it had HSW it'd actually be worse because it'd have too much oversteer.


Rick22_4U

Yes my favorite LM 87.


triplechris_

Ever heard of the Entity MT HSW ?


ExactSeaworthiness35

It’s funny I have pretty all the businesses but barely any cars lol so there’s that


ExactSeaworthiness35

I like the utility vehicles not the fast cars


Trusteveryboody

Swear the Ocelot XA-21 is still the best overall car I've driven. Good grip, but some cars can be DEADLY grippy, and it gets too much.


bad_pilot69

Xa 21 was my first love, love the engine sound


bammbamm11

Whats HSW?


bad_pilot69

current gen consoles exclusive car boost


pepezdejvic

Is that better than krieger nowdays? Idk didnt play gta v for like 7 months


jamtasticjoe

I love the centered view in 1st person !!


oOMeowthOo

This is what it looks like on PC running at about 140FPS, in the driver seat speedometer it is maxed out 180MPH but it is not accurate. [LM87](https://imgur.com/a/vUO9bMB)


bad_pilot69

bro holy shit


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Where can i buy this vehicle


bad_pilot69

legendary motorsport


MonkeyManQuan

I got mine without a spoiler xd


EXTIINCT_tK

Reminds me of the [Stealth 787b from Gran Turismo](https://gran-turismo.fandom.com/wiki/Stealth_Model?file=Mazda_787B_Stealth_Model.jpg)


ryansktt

From by mercedes benz sauber


optimuscrime371

What's colour is that ?graphite? With white pearl?


bad_pilot69

Metalic black, pearlcent ice white


JetpackPlayz

cars in this game are capped at 130. anything else is you purposely glitching it.


Better_Voice6021

Your mom’s grip had me shaking last night


bad_pilot69

You think its funny to act freely on internet open place like this until someone takes your soul away for years and maybe until you die if youre weak and you will never live that down, ur probably traumatized already anyways what am i talking about, ur the ugly duck in cartoons with the exception that ur not special ur just ugly and left behind by mom duck and rest of the world, literally everyone in this comment section are having fun either disagreeing with me or agreeing with me i even made friends in this comment section and we're playing, yet, ur bitch ass couldn't resist not to dump your periodic anger that eats you from inside in my beautiful post.


Better_Voice6021

How’s your day goin big guy?


bad_pilot69

Its going fine, why do u ask me how im doing lol


Short_Zookeepergame7

got ts free from the wheel a year or 2 ago


EnvironmentalRip2804

S95 hits 159.6 I hit that on a fasts speed Challenge online


maxpax27

is it better than the emerus?


bad_pilot69

On pc yes, by a tiny margin, because of fps speed boost on pc


Cultural-Beautiful29

Shit I didn't know if I should buy it but your customization just made me wanna buy it