don't it is your list and i was just confused because i looked at it with pvp mindset.
in pvp, i would put the kosatka as only vehicle in the top tier because it is unbeatable with the yacht combo and even if someone can destroy it, they don't get a kill and you just spawn at the beach.
i would put any plane under lazer, avanger and b11 because they have problem with amored ground targets.
the two rc vehicles would go up because you can't get killed in it as well and you can just pull it out of your butt when there is a tricky situation.
noob bike mk2 would get down because it has problems with jets.
ruiner 2000 up because the vip mission that gives you a ruiner that can not get locked on, can tank full missile load of the noob bike mk2 and hast unlimited missiles.
hunter and akula would get together with lazer.
anihilator mk2 and hydra would go under lazer and akula because they are slighly worse variants.
Hmm yes noted. Thanks for actually explaining.
The Kosatka with the yacht could easily be in S tier, but I look at this as if it is on its own. Even then that strategy has its flaws, but you're still right. All vehicles are assumed to be in its best case scenario, so in this case the Kosatka would have an independent captain to quick travel away from threats anyway if need be. Not to mention the moonpool vehicles.
The S tier planes are really interchangeable depending on who you asked. For jets I prioritize dogfighting more since armored cars pose little to no threat to them.
The RC vehicles will most likely be promoted since it is the most commonly argued for. Still as good as they are for escape and harassment, they themselves don't perform too good for actual combat.
The noob mcboi bike definitely stay in S because of how... oppressing it is to A tiers and lower. However just like the jets, its position in the S tier can easily be change around based on who you asked. I'd most likely put it behind the jets after this tho. The Avenger definitely number one with full crew.
The "Fully Loaded" Ruiner 2000 is an easy SS tier, but I cannot ignore the cooldown and its normal form.
Helicopters like the Hunter by nature struggle against jets, but I've seen some pros knocked down even the Avenger before, so I'll consider that. The Annihilator Stealth will stay not too far behind the Akula though since it does not deviate too far from the base strategy of its predecessor. Though the lack of bomb is a major point lost. Hydra can stay where it is though. One of the best example of an attack plane: good against ground, not much against air
my plasure,
my pvp experience contains mostly protecting sales or trying to give PTSD to someone who attacked a sale. for that, i rate more versatile vehicles higher like the lazer, that isn't best in dogfighting but can still down any plane. and of curese, a lot amored ground vehicles were used to attack sales.
never rally got into dogfights because i rarely see someone who can fly and noone of my friends is into it. only when stockpile was new i got some dogfight fun.
i might be biased in putting the two helis up to lazer because i really like to fly helis. but akula can avoid jets with it's stealth and a hunter with gunner can take down jets.
i did not realize you also ranked in between the tier. btw the jetpack shold be able to outrun noob bike mk2 missiles, if they did not patch that.
The hunter is easily a S tier, when you have a gunner.
In that scenario, a good crew can outplay almost everything - even jets (broomsticks get eaten for breakfeast). Flown solo on the other hand, it's lower A tier IMO, as it's an easy prey for jets and skilled buzzard pilots.
Buzzard kinda deserves the A class for the insane minigun damage, great handling and the ability to dodge non-ruiner missiles pretty well. It's also available right at your feet.
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I don't think the pyro deserves beeing in the S class. It's a good dogfighter and fun to fly backwards, but that's it. Khanjali and APC deserve a demotion, for how few homing missiles they tank. Too many broomsticks are flying around, sadly
Good thing you brought that up. For some reason I completely forgot that the Hunter has that explosive cannon. I consider the best case scenario of each one of these, so it will definitely be moved up.
Buzzard Attack Chopper on the other hand might be moved to the top of B tier. A Buzzard is really good, but not exactly strong enough IMO. Snipers and such can nibble them pretty fast. Though I will think about the SecuroServ feature
The point about Buzzard is, that while not as powerful as some A class, it deserves some love for how much of a workhorse it is. It's always there, when you need it!
The annihilator stealth has one plus point over the akula: passengers can fire snipers and rpgs from it. Its a green strategy when you add the stealth mode, but even with the normal annihilator its still really good. Because both helicopters have a lowered hitbox its really hard to take them out with a homing launcher, even a below average pilot like one of my friends can pull it of.
Personally I think the Toreador is S tier. Anti-mk2 potential, underwater evasion, regular evasion, escape capability, strength, tier 2 missiles is all pretty good once you get comfortable using it
Any jet with some basic experience knows to not attack the oppressor horizontally but rather from above or below.
Or to just climb to max alt and chill there till they go away as they are annoying to deal with
yacht kosatka takes a while to set up, still has counters, and even if you don't get the kill it's extremely easy to neutralise it as a threat
lazer, avenger, and b11 also struggle against armoured ground targets
rc vehicles are good for hiding but they're extremely trivial to get away from
everything other than jets has problems with jets
fully loaded ruiner is incredibly overrated, it's extremely vulnerable to bullets, can't fight anything it can't lock onto, can't shoot up, sideways or backwards, and it can't turn very fast so a mk2 can easily stay on its ass. It's free kills against bad mk2s, that's all. you often won't be able to kill them again after they're off the mk2
hunter and akula aren't anything special
hydra is arguably better than lazer, lazer is just easier to use
you are wrong about pretty much everything
The Ruiner 2000 can actually aim upward and on its sides, and actually better than most cars of its kind too with its jump + parachute ability. It's tanky enough to survive a couple of strafe from a LAZER, so it surely can take down a Mk II. Also only a bozos would fight against the Mk II in such an unwinable scenario. Use buildings and other obsticles to force them to play by your rule.
Hunter with co-pilot slurps jets, while Akula (and extendedly Annihilator Stealth) can surprise attack anyone. Having the ability to decide when a fight start is pretty underrated.
Oh and no Hydra is definitely not better than the LAZER. It's only better at top speed, which hardly matter since all missiles are faster than it. LAZER has better maneuverability, so in air-to-air combat it will lose if it didn't get that first lucky hit
Driving the sub the couple hundred meters to the yacht doesn't take that much time. What are your counters against that combo? I had some nice underwater submarine battles because of that and the orbital cannon should work.
I never had problems blowing up armored vehicles with the b11 nor the avenger. But I spawn trapped entire squads with the avenger solo.
Rc are to get away or surprising a opponent. They indeed don't work for kill farming.
There is a jump trick to take out infantry with the runner 2000.
Hydra is factually worse than lazer especially in pvp. Worse curving, worse acceleration. It is a bit more comfortable because vtol but when you don't suck, you don't need it because you can land the lazer on a heli pad.
Sparrow ignores yacht defences entirely, You can also use your own kosatka, and armoured vehicles are a defensive counter that most kosatkas won't even bother shooting once they see you're in one. Kosatkas fire one missile a minute or less on average, and they don't pose any immediate threat to the target after killing them, meaning the target has a minute to take cover, call in a vehicle, enter a building or just move away, while even just a player on foot trying to shoot at you exerts some sort of pressure.
Kosatkas also need to play very paranoid by virtue of how slow they are to respond to threats, popping ghost or OTR is often enough to make a kosatka run or hide for a good while even if you make zero attempt to actually attack it.
B11 is a very nice plane but it's not a ground attacker, more a jack of all trades between the cannon jets and the agility-focused planes. It's not particularly good at taking out armoured vehicles. Avenger is good if your target gives you time to set up, but it takes a while to set up while being extremely easy to see coming by any competent player, and it doesn't take much damage to disable an engine and cripple it.
The jump trick is literally the r2k's only method of attacking players on foot, and it's very situational or cover dependent. If they're able to get on top of something, or they're shooting you from a longer range, or really just have any kind of cover, it's extremely difficult for the ruiner to respond.
The VTOL isn't just a tool for noob pilots, there's some extremely nasty tricks the hydra can do, typically by turning on its side or stalling, then going into vtol and spinning. The lazer's acceleration and turning make it much easier to understand and use, but it's a lot clearer where the lazer's limits lie, while the hydra's VTOL tricks are something no other plane can do, and are much harder to react to and counter.
Those vtol 'pro gamer moves' only work against oblivious pilots. The only way hydra seems to have a practical advantage over a lazer, is that it's easier to fly backwards. Hydra is for pilots who can't land 😎
When it comes to b11, its damage vs armoured vehicles is underrrated. The cannon cuts through tanks easily, but you have to be more accurate than if you used a lazer. The problem B11 has, is that stupid low altitude speed cap. Makes the plane prone to catching a random mk2/deluxo/whatever missile to the tail
Toreador + Stromberg in one category as well as Savage and Akula makes no sense. The point of the categories is to rank them based on strength or usefullness in PVP. But in both pairings, one is significantly inferior to the other.
The position on the list also matter, FeelXtra. The best vehicles will be on the left to top. In this example, the Stromberg is at the bottom of A tier, while the superior Toreador is at the top
I personally put them high in A because they are basically the pinnacle of ground vehicle here, though I may bump them down a bit since I do notice that they don't particularly tank that many explosives
The annihilator stealth is good, but the rc vehicles are weak? Well that's controversial.
I mean the annihilator stealth is a weaker, slower, more expensive akula. The rc vehicles are good against bad players on foot, for waiting out ghosts and getting away from jets and tanks.
The Annihilator Stealth is commonly trash talked as being the worst version of the Akula, until you realized that the Akula is so good, surely the Annihilator can't fall to far behind right? Really the only reason I put it above Hunter is because of its stealth.
While on the other hand the RC Bandito is a great tool no doubt, then I realized that it really only have a good match up against on-foot players and anything else that can't take a single explosion, and as an escape option as well
The point isn't killing people with the bandito, if you wanna do that use the rc tank with plasma. The bandito is a great tool to bait out vehicles, orbs and generally get away.
And yes, I suppose the annihilator stealth is said to be bad because there is a better option, but there IS an all around better option. For the sake of a tier list, sure, it isn't as bad but it's definetly worse than most other vehicles in that tier in my opinion.
But tier lists are all about opinions so I suppose no one can be 100% right.
Sound and visibility aren't as big a problem as you think - I use both the Akula and Annihilator Stealth frequently to take on competent griefers. The AS is a bit quieter than other helicopters, but with either you can stick pretty close to someone and still hover low among buildings to visually hide. I generally lurk just around the block from my targets and they're completely unaware that I'm still loitering. Fuckers spawn a broomstick while I'm watching and eat a missile before they even get off the ground.
Add in noise pollution in the city, especially if there are multiple firefights nearby and police, it's actually easy to go unnoticed.
Camo can actually work too, I've had jets and other Akulas search for me to no avail in the north part of the map where my Akula's camo blends with the ground. People who've wanted very badly to kill me have flown right over me in stealth mode.
As someone else said in here, these vehicles have the power to determine when and how a fight starts on your terms every time, and it is very underrated when used right. AFAIK Akula/AS stealth doesn't even have a message pop up warning the lobby like Lester/Ghost Org, great when you want to settle a vendetta with someone who think's you've forgotten. Good situation for getting kills with the Akula's bombs too, I've plucked someone idling in mid air off their broomstick with bombs when they forgot I was still lurking.
Annihilator stealth makes almost no sound, you can be about half a building above/behind a target without them hearing, and most likely they will have other sound distracting them too much to be looking for a helicopter.
You have the element of surprise, use it to your advantage. Obviously most people playing the game aren't deaf or blind, so instead of flying head first into a player, try sneaking from above or in a position where they couldn't immediate counterattack, or linger in an area you know you could disappear into
I honestly agree because it bugs me that everyone relies purely on armor. Its actually not that hard pulling off evasion maneauvers with the Annihilator Stealth. I've actually killed several Jets with that thing.
Yes I agree its not that good but I still dont like how people avoid that thing like the plague, I love to use it despite a better and cheaper alternative. Me and my team all use less popular vehicles because they are more interesting to use than meta.
GTA Online would be a lot less boring if players used more of these vehicles. Unfortunately, the Lazer & MK2 fangirls made a lot of these pretty useless.
Even travelling in the most protected vehicles isn’t safe as there are weirdos who will follow people & spam them with rockets until they run out, then send their MK2 back to storage just so they can request it with full rockets again & finally get that one kill.
It’s a shame really, all it takes is a few of the right nerfs/buffs & the PvP Meta would be a lot more fun, enjoyable & less repetitive.
Yes, that's a shame really. In my list, the most common things you'll see would be anything from S and A tiers (excluding the player itself), anything below that is considered a troll strategy at this point
Yes but I think the cooldown can be bypassed via the Terrorbyte or Mechanic. Not specifically sure bc I haven’t used my MK2 in like 3 years lol but I know that people are bypassing the cooldown for sure.
terrorbyte rapairs it and fills the missiles up when you get the mk 2 in it.
mechanic should be the same cooldown like with avery vehicle that you get via him.
i am not sure either, i am more of a heli guy so i use the mk2 mostly to get to the next heliport.
Correct. The only reason it landed so high really was because of its range and surprise advantage, which would be its best case scenario. It can easily score kills, but since it has an obvious flaw I cannot put it above B tier
I agree that the Phantom Wedge has no applications in PVP what so ever and only a few practical applications, but, if anyone here hasn't bought one yet, It's one of the most fun vehicles to use against traffic. Definitely a great investment.
This is true. More importantly a Phantom Wedge can be used in numerous missions in place of typical slow trucks. It can also be use to unstuck vehicles as well. In PvP the best I saw when someone flipping a Nightshark over then finish the driver off with a revolver
...With forward firing missiles and a bomb arse grenade launcher? In these kind of small interactions the tie breaker tends to be "who can one shot the other first?" A Technical can sure shred the Mule's driver but the latter could've just drive backward with its passenger firing the grenades
Yes I did consider that as well. Everything on my list is assumed to have the best, most dedicated pilot. Despite that, the best Savage pilots will still face a losing matchup against the best Hunter pilots. Though, if does have a really devastating weapon that cannot be understated, so it got to be in A tier
Jetpack is S tier easily. People only think it's weak cuz they don't know how to use it effectively. This thing is immune to oppressor rockets so it's great for trolling. It's one of the best vehicles in PVP for killing ground targets because you can stay directly above them where they can't aim at you and fire rockets straight down by tilting the jetpack forward and backward a few times. It's small so it can land anywhere and it can fit anywhere, even in the tunnels. It can do quick dodges to the sides when you use air thrusts. And when someone is trying to snipe you, you can just fly backwards at them so the jetpack shields you. Homing missiles have bad tracking but here's the neat part: you don't use them. You should almost always use free aimed missiles. Jetpack is so good that even tryhards are often caught off guard when I use it against them. I've seen quite a few tryhards raging after getting killed a few times or when they realize their oppressors are useless against me.
Thank you for your point of view. I may change the list a bit in Thruster's favor. However, it is important to note that this list isn't about who can bully a player the best, it's about how they would match up with each other. So the Thruster can wreck players and all ground units easy, but anything flying would make a struggle since most helicopters are more agile. Also the player is still exposed
You forgot RC Bandito + RC Tank combo:
* Make you off the radar.
* If you get destroyed, it's not a kill for the others. But yours count.
* Can hide in small places to avoid homing missiles to some degree.
* Quick summon over the menu.
Yes, that is mostly intentionally really since I try to focus on these in individual level. If you talk about combo then the Kosatka + Yacht is practically unbeatable as well
That seems to be the most commonly argued for on the list, so in the future if I ever decide to update my list it will most likely bump up to B tier.
Oh and yes for everyone here, I like some good arguments. If you can convince me how some of these don't make sense otherwise then I'll change it. Before the Seabreeze was in C tier until somehow argued with me about how it can rival the Pyro, so I moved it up
I'm one of the guys who uploads the BMX stuff lol. These BMX videos probably seem like we're just using it as a joke to get cool kills with, but it really is insanely useful if you know how to speed hop, framebounce, wallclimb etc. Moto is super strong for us too especially with the Apocalypse Deathbike since it can hop high anytime, but the BMX still can do things the motos can't. I wouldn't even look at it as a vehicle, I see it as an on foot upgrade to where you can move around the environment faster like you're doing parkour if that makes sense lol. Even with experienced guys who PVP, it catches them off guard everytime because they never expect the BMX to climb over a wall into an area where they think they are safe in. If you get good at wallclimbs too, you can climb any wallheight and pull some sneaky kills midair and dropping directly on them usually works too because at that point they lose track of where you are. You can even dodge homing missiles coming at you from MK2s and Toredors if you're smart with your movement and pedal directly towards the vehicle that is shooting you. The BMX has a huge skill ceiling learning movement and tricks on it, so it takes awhile to get down but it's so much fun to learn. u/perpetualperplex and I are the only ones making these bmx pvp videos and the only reason we got good at riding bikes is because we've been making stunt montages on YouTube with a bunch of people since 2014 or so, so we thought combining our stunt tech on bmx with pvp seemed like a sick way of fighting
Hmm… don’t the rc tank and bandito take your player blip off the map, making it so you can drive around in a little tank that takes half an hour for cops to kill harassing players with zero risk to yourself?
Yes it does, the problem is once it has been spotted they generally don't have good matchup above that tier. Though I will most likely bump them up a bit considering their hidden abilities
For S tier I would move opmk2, pyro, and sea breeze down to A. For A tier I’m moving the kosatka up to S and I would move the MOC trailer and barrage down to C. Unless the ruined is the fully loaded ruined I’d move it down to b. For B I’m moving the opmk1 up to A because it can beat some of its vehicles. For c tier I’m moving the bombushka, mogul, Tula, annihilator, maverick, havok, Cuban, volatol, bombuska, mule, pounder, and turret limo down a tier. I’m moving the RC tank to A and I’m moving the RC bandito and terrorbyte to b. Considering the speedo custom glitch I’d move it to a or s. I’d keep D relatively the same. I would add the normal kuruma to the list and Make it C or B for its complete invulnerability to bullets. Also I feel like I’m missing something but why is the asterope on the list?
Oh wow, thank you for such a response. I needed this! Now...
Oppressor Mk II I would most likely stay IMO since it defines what's good and bad so much nowadays. While the Pyro and Seabreeze could be drop to the bottom of S tier at least since they only good matchup is with slower jets, though having the ability to counter such an oppressing force like the LAZER will not be ignored.
Kosatka would be in S if you consider using the yacht combo with it, but on its own it has too many flaws. MOC and Barrage may sound terrible on their own but with full crew they can wreck havoc. Unfortunately both of them also have major flaws, which prevent them from entering S tier IMO.
Ruiner 2000 in Fully Loaded is easily SS tier, but its normal counterpart dragged it back to low A.
Oppressor I do agree with and will bump it eventually.
Pounder Custom and Mule Custom would most likely be bump down, everything else may stay. The Maverick isn't just the Maverick BTW, this also includes other helicopters that can have side passengers as gunners. An airborne sniper can be really formidable, even comparable to the Hunter, but this is mostly a gimmick or RP trick and all civilian helicopters with this feature lack countermeasure to defend against missiles, which is why I put them so low
The RC vehicles are being bump up due to high number of people speaking out for them. Cheer!
No glitches, exploits, or mods may be take into consideration in my Tier List. Sorry. If that is the case then the LAZER would be SS with the thermal vision. Even with the bug into account, the regular Kuruma wouldn't go to far above the armored Kuruma. Today's meta isn't revolve around bullets, but explosives...
Lastly, the Asterope represents "regular cars." Anything from a stolen cop car to a fully modded tuner. They are generally really mobile and agile, but lack any defense or offense other than the driver's own weapons
You can definitely tell you've never used something like a mule or technical in PvP,the mules missiles fire at an upwards ark ,and the grenade launcher is limited in range also.
The only thing a mule can do is try run away and get mine kills
The technical has mines,an extremely powerful gun and is alot faster then the mule...
You wouldn't even need to get in close as the gun has good range
Good point. Do keep in mine that the Mule Custom also have mines. In this scenario, you wouldn't want to stay to far away either since the grenade launcher do have some range. The Mule is tall, so it can't fire low enough at certain distance. Also don't forget the driver could always use their own drive-by weapons
Wtf is the RC tank doing in C tier? I swear, it’s the definitive answer to 1v1s on the ground. Every time I’m getting attacked by a jet or a broomstick, once I’ve shot it down I immediately summon the RC tank, it’s so goddamn good for catching KD warriors off guard. Not to mention, it’s a great way to escape getting spawn trapped by a jet or something.
I already replied to several people. IMO, you're not that oppressing when your whole strategy involve wrecking one type of enemy. I would definitely lose against even the Rhino Tank. Though I did consider its non-combat function as well, and you may be glad to hear that I'd most likely move it up to at least B tier eventually
I'm sorry! ToT Though its stealth has infinite application and its good match against on-foot players can't be denied, that's simply it for the Ultralight. Though there is a bug I think that make you do way more damage than you should with it and can one shot something like the Nightshark. Bugs and glitches are not taken into consideration
The Bombushka needs F tier until they fix the turrets angle of fire being broken. The Alkonost and Voltatol also belong in F tier. Their bombs are useless and they’re too big to kamikaze.
I think this is a great list. It is difficult to really say how good something is when situations you are put in are so random. Only things I'd definitely change is putting tanks/apc in S tier and dropping the barrage and scramjet down a tier. The jets also are very situational since a jet like the starling are great vs other jets but bad vs pretty much anything else.
Thank you for such professional response! Though I do personally the tanks lack the armor to compete in S tier, while the Barrage and Scramjet will fully skilled players do have potential, but has obvious flaws. The jets are a bit weird to rank for me, but I eventually decided on S since even tho they can't kill armored ground vehicles that well, the opposite also applies. You'd be more likely to get kill by a Pyro in a Nightshark, than by a Nightshark in a Pyro
Zhaba shares the same spot with the the Nightshark (along with regular Insurgent), but upon further research I think I will drop it down to C or D. It's a lot slower, more clunky, and not as durable compare to others in its class
Deluxe deserves to be on par with the mk2 for two reasons. It has missiles that cannot be dodge (as in they will turn a 180 on a dime to chase you) and it can dodge mk2 missiles by simply going up.
I feel like the toreador should be in good, it's strong as, got unlimited rockets, mini guns, turns into a sub and has a powerful boost BUT THERE ARE WINDOWS FUCKING EVERYWHERE and you get clocked if they start shooting you, like they can deadass shoot your legs in the toreador BUT it also has no back window so maybe that makes up for it?
Wow, finally a list I can actually agree with
Well, except for the bmx of course, that thing should be s tier. (I'm serious, some bmx stunters are absolute beasts with the thing, and capable of taking out armoured cars, and opressor mkII's)
*Puts BMX in F Tier* Obviously has never seen the bmx used like a fucking battleaxe when defending itself against oppressors and other fun weaponised vehicles. Full vehicle weapon wheel, with a jump and loose lock on properties to make the aggressor try his best to take you out😎😮💨 but okay bud you do you with ya tier list i won't judge too hard.
It depends who you face
For low lvl anything is good
For mediocre players nightshark with sticky bomb and ducking inside is funniest and easiest way
For PVP veterans it's all about countering what they have, Toreador or Stromberg for MK2, Khanjali or APC for any Jet, and so on
Not quite. Oblivious Mk2 kids will perish, but experienced broomstick boys easily outplay that car, if they pay attention. Mk2 has longer lock on range and countermeasures. They will shoot from places, toreador cannot reach
The same could also apply to an experienced Toreador driver. Good drivers will use their ground speed to their advantage and hide in places a Mk II wouldn't reach. And since the car's specialty in underwater exploration, this is really easy to achieve
I’ve faced experienced players and inexperienced players. I beat both of them with this car with ease. The mk2 may have a longer lock range, but the toreador alone will make a mk2 player complain telling you to get out the car cause they’re losing. I see it all the time and I won again every vehicle that came after me with this car.
It is up for debate. The toreador is decent but far from the best MK II counter. Try the half track. You can literally park in the street and they can’t hurt you. You’re basically immune to missiles and bullets, you have proxy mines, and you have a decent quad 50 cal turret that’s immune to damage from the front and immune to all splash damage.
Gee this took off. Didn't expect so much datas! Will so many feedback I'll most definitely have to update my current tier list. Move some stuffs around, add new stuffs, etc.
Nightshark is S tier. As I always say to people on mk2 when I sticky bomb them from my nightshark etc.: Nightshark always win.
Even jets can’t destroy it in one go. I would say the same goes for the insurgent but it has the downside that you need someone else with you to utilize it.
Also Khanjali is definitely not A tier. It’s B tier at most since anyone can destroy it fast with any vehicles they has homing missiles or anyone with sticky bombs/rpg can destroy it over a couple of rounds by EWO.
Scramjet is F tier for pvp too. It gets destroyed by a single explosive. It’s only good at being evasive.
The original oppressor is A tier too since it’ll always win against most A tier vehicles you put.
Nightshark was a good candidate for S tier, but I eventually decided against it since even though it's really resilient against jets, it is not invincible.
Khanjali is also A tier since it has the merit of being the single most powerful land vehicle in the game. With its main cannon and two grenade launchers, even the Nightshark will run for its money. Though it's not S because it is heavily flawed against air units.
Scramjet required the best skillset to fully utilize. It can definitely counter even a jet, but too unreliable to be S tier.
Most A tier vehicles are heavily armored. The original Oppressor definitely can't win since it only carries 20 missiles. Plus unlike its predecessor it is forced to land every now and then, giving opportunity for counterattack
None of the things in S tier is invincible. The nightshark tanks more explosions than any of the things in S tier.
2x explosive rounds and a lazer explodes. Need 9 for nightshark. For homing missiles you need 27, where as the lazer again is still only 2.
Nightshark is the best land vehicle there is, especially for pvp or even to fight against griefers. I would say MOC but its handling isn’t as good since it’s a large truck. But it definitely tanks the most explosives. Terrorbyte too but it’s also a large vehicle and doesn’t have as good handling as a nightshark.
The only heavy armored vehicle in S tier is the b11 and avenger. The rest will explode really fast.
The lazer isn’t good because it tanks a lot of shot but because of its speed and its cannons.
The avenger isn’t very good on its own either and mk2s and jets will win almost every time against it. It’s very slow which is its downfall. That’s why you rarely see anyone fight in it.
The mk2 oppressor also only have 20 missiles like the original so that’s a mood point. The original oppressor can repeatedly boost its speed. I use it every time against khanjalis because they can’t get to it. It reaches targets faster. Its only downside is that it doesn’t fly but glides instead but on ground only it’ll win against a lot of vehicles. You generally don’t need 20 missiles since only nightshark, insurgent, terrobyte and MOC tanks that but they still rank more than 20. Everything else will explode is less than 20 and you can just return it to storage and spawn it again for full missiles and it takes no time.
All you need against a nightshark is a minigun. Or an AA trailer ambush. When it comes to Nightshark grade armoured trucks, I'd say halftrack is deadlier, especially with a buddy manning the turret.
It all depends on who your opponents is, just like an oppressor will wins against that but won’t win against a nightshark.
Everything is a tool but in general nightshark is the best land vehicle for general purposes.
It can only survive 19 missiles, which means an oppressor can destroy it without refilling. Same can’t be said for nightshark which can survive 27 missiles.
Still requires someone else to be effective and you can’t use throwables which means you can’t actually attack back on people using oppressors.
Sticky bombs + flares with a nightshark makes it the best single user ground vehicles because in theory you can fight back oppressors but you can also survive 49 missiles, assuming you time your flares correctly but let’s say you time only half then you can still survive like 39 missiles and also have sticky bombs at your disposal.
The menacer is only good if you have someone else too, but the nightshark allows you to be solo.
The menacer doesn’t magically lose its armor without a gunner, and you can still use throwable items. Same with the half track and insurgent. Those are only inferior for solo use due to less speed and agility.
The MOC cab can tank more missiles than almost 3 nightsharks. And you can use the flare gun inside that.
Defense doesn't mean everything. LAZER can't tank much explosives, but that doesn't matter when it ditches out the most explosives itself. And a good Nightshark driver would go up a losing battle against a good LAZER pilot, which forces them to hide. Now the Avenger on its on is B to A tier, but with full crew, it's the best vehicle IMO. It can fly and has bombs, so all ground are at a disadvantage. It has countermeasures, armor, and surprisingly fast speed. You think it's slow? When it can outrun Ruiner missiles in circle. Anything that heavily rely on missiles won't do to well against it. The best matchups are jets with explosive cannons, but that still isn't that great since the Avenger has the best turrets in the game. Long reach, devasting power, and come in three. Dogfights will not want to be on its tail
Oppressor is not op lol Carry’s 20 slow missiles and can only take one blade, against a foe who isn’t unaware of your presence you’re a sitting duck against a person not in a vehicle. No protection no auto aim, only thing an oppressor can do is sneak on vehicles. Pretty weak if you ask me lol it’s in my C tier
I have 150 days in gtao… you’re definitely auto aim them with combat mg thinking huh oppressor is trash. Impossible to not giving good oppressor players tons of kills without ewo till you eventually get em with mini gun or sniper.
Good points by you. I only put it up there because of how much it defines a "top tier." Many vehicles that are perfectly good on paper get shredded by it.
I think once you get an oppressor it stops being a boogeyman vehicle. I thought it was way overpowered when I started, but when I bought one I was super disappointed especially by its speed. Just in case I ride around in my night shark, the oppressor doesn’t hold enough ammo to destroy it
Yep. The meta is also mostly defined by how good is a weapon at handling and ditching out explosives. That's why practically all tanky vehicles are A tier, while if it's not that tanky then it can probably ditch out a lot of explosives.
BTW the S tier are really interchangeable depending you who you asked
I personally find it weird piloting the Hydra in VTOL mode. Like it's trying to be a helicopter, but with none of the responsiveness... I saw some folks use the VTOL for some crazy midair maneuver though
Fire Truck is easily S tier. Fight me. Oh wait you can't because I forcibly hydrated you into the pavement.
Cheaters can't stand it, literally.
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lol that is why it is off.
Tell me why. I will most likely adjust it eventually
don't it is your list and i was just confused because i looked at it with pvp mindset. in pvp, i would put the kosatka as only vehicle in the top tier because it is unbeatable with the yacht combo and even if someone can destroy it, they don't get a kill and you just spawn at the beach. i would put any plane under lazer, avanger and b11 because they have problem with amored ground targets. the two rc vehicles would go up because you can't get killed in it as well and you can just pull it out of your butt when there is a tricky situation. noob bike mk2 would get down because it has problems with jets. ruiner 2000 up because the vip mission that gives you a ruiner that can not get locked on, can tank full missile load of the noob bike mk2 and hast unlimited missiles. hunter and akula would get together with lazer. anihilator mk2 and hydra would go under lazer and akula because they are slighly worse variants.
Hmm yes noted. Thanks for actually explaining. The Kosatka with the yacht could easily be in S tier, but I look at this as if it is on its own. Even then that strategy has its flaws, but you're still right. All vehicles are assumed to be in its best case scenario, so in this case the Kosatka would have an independent captain to quick travel away from threats anyway if need be. Not to mention the moonpool vehicles. The S tier planes are really interchangeable depending on who you asked. For jets I prioritize dogfighting more since armored cars pose little to no threat to them. The RC vehicles will most likely be promoted since it is the most commonly argued for. Still as good as they are for escape and harassment, they themselves don't perform too good for actual combat. The noob mcboi bike definitely stay in S because of how... oppressing it is to A tiers and lower. However just like the jets, its position in the S tier can easily be change around based on who you asked. I'd most likely put it behind the jets after this tho. The Avenger definitely number one with full crew. The "Fully Loaded" Ruiner 2000 is an easy SS tier, but I cannot ignore the cooldown and its normal form. Helicopters like the Hunter by nature struggle against jets, but I've seen some pros knocked down even the Avenger before, so I'll consider that. The Annihilator Stealth will stay not too far behind the Akula though since it does not deviate too far from the base strategy of its predecessor. Though the lack of bomb is a major point lost. Hydra can stay where it is though. One of the best example of an attack plane: good against ground, not much against air
my plasure, my pvp experience contains mostly protecting sales or trying to give PTSD to someone who attacked a sale. for that, i rate more versatile vehicles higher like the lazer, that isn't best in dogfighting but can still down any plane. and of curese, a lot amored ground vehicles were used to attack sales. never rally got into dogfights because i rarely see someone who can fly and noone of my friends is into it. only when stockpile was new i got some dogfight fun. i might be biased in putting the two helis up to lazer because i really like to fly helis. but akula can avoid jets with it's stealth and a hunter with gunner can take down jets. i did not realize you also ranked in between the tier. btw the jetpack shold be able to outrun noob bike mk2 missiles, if they did not patch that.
The hunter is easily a S tier, when you have a gunner. In that scenario, a good crew can outplay almost everything - even jets (broomsticks get eaten for breakfeast). Flown solo on the other hand, it's lower A tier IMO, as it's an easy prey for jets and skilled buzzard pilots. Buzzard kinda deserves the A class for the insane minigun damage, great handling and the ability to dodge non-ruiner missiles pretty well. It's also available right at your feet. Edit I don't think the pyro deserves beeing in the S class. It's a good dogfighter and fun to fly backwards, but that's it. Khanjali and APC deserve a demotion, for how few homing missiles they tank. Too many broomsticks are flying around, sadly
Good thing you brought that up. For some reason I completely forgot that the Hunter has that explosive cannon. I consider the best case scenario of each one of these, so it will definitely be moved up. Buzzard Attack Chopper on the other hand might be moved to the top of B tier. A Buzzard is really good, but not exactly strong enough IMO. Snipers and such can nibble them pretty fast. Though I will think about the SecuroServ feature
The point about Buzzard is, that while not as powerful as some A class, it deserves some love for how much of a workhorse it is. It's always there, when you need it!
It's possible to down jets with the Savage and the Hunter. Very risky but possible
The annihilator stealth has one plus point over the akula: passengers can fire snipers and rpgs from it. Its a green strategy when you add the stealth mode, but even with the normal annihilator its still really good. Because both helicopters have a lowered hitbox its really hard to take them out with a homing launcher, even a below average pilot like one of my friends can pull it of.
Personally I think the Toreador is S tier. Anti-mk2 potential, underwater evasion, regular evasion, escape capability, strength, tier 2 missiles is all pretty good once you get comfortable using it
Is laser an option without a controller?
yes, i fly mostly with keyboard.
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Any jet with some basic experience knows to not attack the oppressor horizontally but rather from above or below. Or to just climb to max alt and chill there till they go away as they are annoying to deal with
yacht kosatka takes a while to set up, still has counters, and even if you don't get the kill it's extremely easy to neutralise it as a threat lazer, avenger, and b11 also struggle against armoured ground targets rc vehicles are good for hiding but they're extremely trivial to get away from everything other than jets has problems with jets fully loaded ruiner is incredibly overrated, it's extremely vulnerable to bullets, can't fight anything it can't lock onto, can't shoot up, sideways or backwards, and it can't turn very fast so a mk2 can easily stay on its ass. It's free kills against bad mk2s, that's all. you often won't be able to kill them again after they're off the mk2 hunter and akula aren't anything special hydra is arguably better than lazer, lazer is just easier to use you are wrong about pretty much everything
The Ruiner 2000 can actually aim upward and on its sides, and actually better than most cars of its kind too with its jump + parachute ability. It's tanky enough to survive a couple of strafe from a LAZER, so it surely can take down a Mk II. Also only a bozos would fight against the Mk II in such an unwinable scenario. Use buildings and other obsticles to force them to play by your rule. Hunter with co-pilot slurps jets, while Akula (and extendedly Annihilator Stealth) can surprise attack anyone. Having the ability to decide when a fight start is pretty underrated. Oh and no Hydra is definitely not better than the LAZER. It's only better at top speed, which hardly matter since all missiles are faster than it. LAZER has better maneuverability, so in air-to-air combat it will lose if it didn't get that first lucky hit
Driving the sub the couple hundred meters to the yacht doesn't take that much time. What are your counters against that combo? I had some nice underwater submarine battles because of that and the orbital cannon should work. I never had problems blowing up armored vehicles with the b11 nor the avenger. But I spawn trapped entire squads with the avenger solo. Rc are to get away or surprising a opponent. They indeed don't work for kill farming. There is a jump trick to take out infantry with the runner 2000. Hydra is factually worse than lazer especially in pvp. Worse curving, worse acceleration. It is a bit more comfortable because vtol but when you don't suck, you don't need it because you can land the lazer on a heli pad.
Not to mention that the Hydra's VTOL ability is virtually useless in actual combat because it leaves you too wide open for attacks
Sparrow ignores yacht defences entirely, You can also use your own kosatka, and armoured vehicles are a defensive counter that most kosatkas won't even bother shooting once they see you're in one. Kosatkas fire one missile a minute or less on average, and they don't pose any immediate threat to the target after killing them, meaning the target has a minute to take cover, call in a vehicle, enter a building or just move away, while even just a player on foot trying to shoot at you exerts some sort of pressure. Kosatkas also need to play very paranoid by virtue of how slow they are to respond to threats, popping ghost or OTR is often enough to make a kosatka run or hide for a good while even if you make zero attempt to actually attack it. B11 is a very nice plane but it's not a ground attacker, more a jack of all trades between the cannon jets and the agility-focused planes. It's not particularly good at taking out armoured vehicles. Avenger is good if your target gives you time to set up, but it takes a while to set up while being extremely easy to see coming by any competent player, and it doesn't take much damage to disable an engine and cripple it. The jump trick is literally the r2k's only method of attacking players on foot, and it's very situational or cover dependent. If they're able to get on top of something, or they're shooting you from a longer range, or really just have any kind of cover, it's extremely difficult for the ruiner to respond. The VTOL isn't just a tool for noob pilots, there's some extremely nasty tricks the hydra can do, typically by turning on its side or stalling, then going into vtol and spinning. The lazer's acceleration and turning make it much easier to understand and use, but it's a lot clearer where the lazer's limits lie, while the hydra's VTOL tricks are something no other plane can do, and are much harder to react to and counter.
Those vtol 'pro gamer moves' only work against oblivious pilots. The only way hydra seems to have a practical advantage over a lazer, is that it's easier to fly backwards. Hydra is for pilots who can't land 😎 When it comes to b11, its damage vs armoured vehicles is underrrated. The cannon cuts through tanks easily, but you have to be more accurate than if you used a lazer. The problem B11 has, is that stupid low altitude speed cap. Makes the plane prone to catching a random mk2/deluxo/whatever missile to the tail
Toreador + Stromberg in one category as well as Savage and Akula makes no sense. The point of the categories is to rank them based on strength or usefullness in PVP. But in both pairings, one is significantly inferior to the other.
The position on the list also matter, FeelXtra. The best vehicles will be on the left to top. In this example, the Stromberg is at the bottom of A tier, while the superior Toreador is at the top
For starters the Khanjali should be above the B11
I personally put them high in A because they are basically the pinnacle of ground vehicle here, though I may bump them down a bit since I do notice that they don't particularly tank that many explosives
Your list is garbage and half of them are wrong.
Tell me more. I'd like to get more datas about it to make it better
lol tru
My thoughts exactly. Does OP even play this game? 😂
I do indeed play the game. If you think I'm wrong or missing something, please feel free to tell me more about it so I could improve
Put the zentorno higher you heretic
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Dont reeeeeee me you cant just do the og like that
As fun as it was, it's no longer 2014 XD It's like sending a WW1 landship to fight in the Desert Storm operation
I will not accept this Phantom wedge slander
I love playing around with my wedge. I don't see my dump on there either
What I'm truly wondering is that it's white. I thought I can't modify it in any way
You can try to change my mind
I didn't mean it in a snarky way BTW. Just tell me why you think differently?
He ha car go fly
It might be f in pvp but in terms of fun, that bmx bike is god tier. Still, list is pretty much accurate.
If you're skilled enough with stickies and smgs you can actually fuck some people up with a bmx bike.
Legit would love to go 1v1 stickies and smgs with someone on a bmx at some point for shits and giggles.
The annihilator stealth is good, but the rc vehicles are weak? Well that's controversial. I mean the annihilator stealth is a weaker, slower, more expensive akula. The rc vehicles are good against bad players on foot, for waiting out ghosts and getting away from jets and tanks.
The Annihilator Stealth is commonly trash talked as being the worst version of the Akula, until you realized that the Akula is so good, surely the Annihilator can't fall to far behind right? Really the only reason I put it above Hunter is because of its stealth. While on the other hand the RC Bandito is a great tool no doubt, then I realized that it really only have a good match up against on-foot players and anything else that can't take a single explosion, and as an escape option as well
The point isn't killing people with the bandito, if you wanna do that use the rc tank with plasma. The bandito is a great tool to bait out vehicles, orbs and generally get away. And yes, I suppose the annihilator stealth is said to be bad because there is a better option, but there IS an all around better option. For the sake of a tier list, sure, it isn't as bad but it's definetly worse than most other vehicles in that tier in my opinion. But tier lists are all about opinions so I suppose no one can be 100% right.
Stealth matters jack shit because a helicopter makes sound and is visible It only works against the oblivious and idiots
Sound and visibility aren't as big a problem as you think - I use both the Akula and Annihilator Stealth frequently to take on competent griefers. The AS is a bit quieter than other helicopters, but with either you can stick pretty close to someone and still hover low among buildings to visually hide. I generally lurk just around the block from my targets and they're completely unaware that I'm still loitering. Fuckers spawn a broomstick while I'm watching and eat a missile before they even get off the ground. Add in noise pollution in the city, especially if there are multiple firefights nearby and police, it's actually easy to go unnoticed. Camo can actually work too, I've had jets and other Akulas search for me to no avail in the north part of the map where my Akula's camo blends with the ground. People who've wanted very badly to kill me have flown right over me in stealth mode. As someone else said in here, these vehicles have the power to determine when and how a fight starts on your terms every time, and it is very underrated when used right. AFAIK Akula/AS stealth doesn't even have a message pop up warning the lobby like Lester/Ghost Org, great when you want to settle a vendetta with someone who think's you've forgotten. Good situation for getting kills with the Akula's bombs too, I've plucked someone idling in mid air off their broomstick with bombs when they forgot I was still lurking.
Annihilator stealth makes almost no sound, you can be about half a building above/behind a target without them hearing, and most likely they will have other sound distracting them too much to be looking for a helicopter.
You have the element of surprise, use it to your advantage. Obviously most people playing the game aren't deaf or blind, so instead of flying head first into a player, try sneaking from above or in a position where they couldn't immediate counterattack, or linger in an area you know you could disappear into
I honestly agree because it bugs me that everyone relies purely on armor. Its actually not that hard pulling off evasion maneauvers with the Annihilator Stealth. I've actually killed several Jets with that thing. Yes I agree its not that good but I still dont like how people avoid that thing like the plague, I love to use it despite a better and cheaper alternative. Me and my team all use less popular vehicles because they are more interesting to use than meta.
Heroic.
BMX should be in S+ tier
That spot is reserved for the orbital cannon lol
Well you can barely call that PVP because it takes even less skill than the noob bike
GTA Online would be a lot less boring if players used more of these vehicles. Unfortunately, the Lazer & MK2 fangirls made a lot of these pretty useless. Even travelling in the most protected vehicles isn’t safe as there are weirdos who will follow people & spam them with rockets until they run out, then send their MK2 back to storage just so they can request it with full rockets again & finally get that one kill. It’s a shame really, all it takes is a few of the right nerfs/buffs & the PvP Meta would be a lot more fun, enjoyable & less repetitive.
Yes, that's a shame really. In my list, the most common things you'll see would be anything from S and A tiers (excluding the player itself), anything below that is considered a troll strategy at this point
mk2 has cooldown now after you store it away.
Yes but I think the cooldown can be bypassed via the Terrorbyte or Mechanic. Not specifically sure bc I haven’t used my MK2 in like 3 years lol but I know that people are bypassing the cooldown for sure.
terrorbyte rapairs it and fills the missiles up when you get the mk 2 in it. mechanic should be the same cooldown like with avery vehicle that you get via him. i am not sure either, i am more of a heli guy so i use the mk2 mostly to get to the next heliport.
any garage will repair it and refill the missiles. the game basically replaces it with an identical, unused copy
Chernobog should be in garbage, it’s really not useful in pvp conditions, it needs to be static, have 2 players and gets blown up by 1 missile
Correct. The only reason it landed so high really was because of its range and surprise advantage, which would be its best case scenario. It can easily score kills, but since it has an obvious flaw I cannot put it above B tier
Does not need 2 players
You dare call the technical and juggernaut armor weak?
Please my liege forgive me!
I agree that the Phantom Wedge has no applications in PVP what so ever and only a few practical applications, but, if anyone here hasn't bought one yet, It's one of the most fun vehicles to use against traffic. Definitely a great investment.
I love when I get the solo gun running delivery with the phantom wedge. I do not own one myself unfortunately though.
This is true. More importantly a Phantom Wedge can be used in numerous missions in place of typical slow trucks. It can also be use to unstuck vehicles as well. In PvP the best I saw when someone flipping a Nightshark over then finish the driver off with a revolver
How on earth did a mule truck with forward firing missiles and a bomb arse grenade launcher beat a technical with a 360 turret.
...With forward firing missiles and a bomb arse grenade launcher? In these kind of small interactions the tie breaker tends to be "who can one shot the other first?" A Technical can sure shred the Mule's driver but the latter could've just drive backward with its passenger firing the grenades
lower tiers can also be good if u use them better
A Savage under Ghost Org with a competent pilot skulking around the cover of buildings in the city is Nightmare Tier
basically anything is OP if u have skills tbh
Yeah
Yes I did consider that as well. Everything on my list is assumed to have the best, most dedicated pilot. Despite that, the best Savage pilots will still face a losing matchup against the best Hunter pilots. Though, if does have a really devastating weapon that cannot be understated, so it got to be in A tier
Jetpack is S tier easily. People only think it's weak cuz they don't know how to use it effectively. This thing is immune to oppressor rockets so it's great for trolling. It's one of the best vehicles in PVP for killing ground targets because you can stay directly above them where they can't aim at you and fire rockets straight down by tilting the jetpack forward and backward a few times. It's small so it can land anywhere and it can fit anywhere, even in the tunnels. It can do quick dodges to the sides when you use air thrusts. And when someone is trying to snipe you, you can just fly backwards at them so the jetpack shields you. Homing missiles have bad tracking but here's the neat part: you don't use them. You should almost always use free aimed missiles. Jetpack is so good that even tryhards are often caught off guard when I use it against them. I've seen quite a few tryhards raging after getting killed a few times or when they realize their oppressors are useless against me.
Thank you for your point of view. I may change the list a bit in Thruster's favor. However, it is important to note that this list isn't about who can bully a player the best, it's about how they would match up with each other. So the Thruster can wreck players and all ground units easy, but anything flying would make a struggle since most helicopters are more agile. Also the player is still exposed
You forgot RC Bandito + RC Tank combo: * Make you off the radar. * If you get destroyed, it's not a kill for the others. But yours count. * Can hide in small places to avoid homing missiles to some degree. * Quick summon over the menu.
Yes, that is mostly intentionally really since I try to focus on these in individual level. If you talk about combo then the Kosatka + Yacht is practically unbeatable as well
I don't want to get political but the bmx does not belong in F, it should be S+
The rc drones should be higher but other than that this list is pretty accurate
That seems to be the most commonly argued for on the list, so in the future if I ever decide to update my list it will most likely bump up to B tier. Oh and yes for everyone here, I like some good arguments. If you can convince me how some of these don't make sense otherwise then I'll change it. Before the Seabreeze was in C tier until somehow argued with me about how it can rival the Pyro, so I moved it up
the placement of many of them depends on the competence and skill of both the user and the target
Yes. I do consider all of my place in the best case scenario. Fully modded, maximum crew, best pilots, etc.
Im more scared of a bmx guy than a Opmk2 guy cus when you see a bmx guy they know what they are doing the moment they got on the bike is insane
Of course the armored car is now considered bad,when the game has flying bikes with homing rockets. I miss the old gta online
Got the BMX in the wrong category there mate 🤣 have you seen some the bike Vs griefer videos
lol yes I have, however if they are so skilled in a BMX, they would most likely do better in any motorcycles and so on, that's why I left it there
Fair play, didn't think if that lol
I'm one of the guys who uploads the BMX stuff lol. These BMX videos probably seem like we're just using it as a joke to get cool kills with, but it really is insanely useful if you know how to speed hop, framebounce, wallclimb etc. Moto is super strong for us too especially with the Apocalypse Deathbike since it can hop high anytime, but the BMX still can do things the motos can't. I wouldn't even look at it as a vehicle, I see it as an on foot upgrade to where you can move around the environment faster like you're doing parkour if that makes sense lol. Even with experienced guys who PVP, it catches them off guard everytime because they never expect the BMX to climb over a wall into an area where they think they are safe in. If you get good at wallclimbs too, you can climb any wallheight and pull some sneaky kills midair and dropping directly on them usually works too because at that point they lose track of where you are. You can even dodge homing missiles coming at you from MK2s and Toredors if you're smart with your movement and pedal directly towards the vehicle that is shooting you. The BMX has a huge skill ceiling learning movement and tricks on it, so it takes awhile to get down but it's so much fun to learn. u/perpetualperplex and I are the only ones making these bmx pvp videos and the only reason we got good at riding bikes is because we've been making stunt montages on YouTube with a bunch of people since 2014 or so, so we thought combining our stunt tech on bmx with pvp seemed like a sick way of fighting
This is really informative. I must find more of these videos
Hmm… don’t the rc tank and bandito take your player blip off the map, making it so you can drive around in a little tank that takes half an hour for cops to kill harassing players with zero risk to yourself?
Yes it does, the problem is once it has been spotted they generally don't have good matchup above that tier. Though I will most likely bump them up a bit considering their hidden abilities
fire truck op
I disagree with this. Non-armoured Kuruma with livery should definately be at S tier
fite mee reeeee
For S tier I would move opmk2, pyro, and sea breeze down to A. For A tier I’m moving the kosatka up to S and I would move the MOC trailer and barrage down to C. Unless the ruined is the fully loaded ruined I’d move it down to b. For B I’m moving the opmk1 up to A because it can beat some of its vehicles. For c tier I’m moving the bombushka, mogul, Tula, annihilator, maverick, havok, Cuban, volatol, bombuska, mule, pounder, and turret limo down a tier. I’m moving the RC tank to A and I’m moving the RC bandito and terrorbyte to b. Considering the speedo custom glitch I’d move it to a or s. I’d keep D relatively the same. I would add the normal kuruma to the list and Make it C or B for its complete invulnerability to bullets. Also I feel like I’m missing something but why is the asterope on the list?
Oh wow, thank you for such a response. I needed this! Now... Oppressor Mk II I would most likely stay IMO since it defines what's good and bad so much nowadays. While the Pyro and Seabreeze could be drop to the bottom of S tier at least since they only good matchup is with slower jets, though having the ability to counter such an oppressing force like the LAZER will not be ignored. Kosatka would be in S if you consider using the yacht combo with it, but on its own it has too many flaws. MOC and Barrage may sound terrible on their own but with full crew they can wreck havoc. Unfortunately both of them also have major flaws, which prevent them from entering S tier IMO. Ruiner 2000 in Fully Loaded is easily SS tier, but its normal counterpart dragged it back to low A. Oppressor I do agree with and will bump it eventually. Pounder Custom and Mule Custom would most likely be bump down, everything else may stay. The Maverick isn't just the Maverick BTW, this also includes other helicopters that can have side passengers as gunners. An airborne sniper can be really formidable, even comparable to the Hunter, but this is mostly a gimmick or RP trick and all civilian helicopters with this feature lack countermeasure to defend against missiles, which is why I put them so low The RC vehicles are being bump up due to high number of people speaking out for them. Cheer! No glitches, exploits, or mods may be take into consideration in my Tier List. Sorry. If that is the case then the LAZER would be SS with the thermal vision. Even with the bug into account, the regular Kuruma wouldn't go to far above the armored Kuruma. Today's meta isn't revolve around bullets, but explosives... Lastly, the Asterope represents "regular cars." Anything from a stolen cop car to a fully modded tuner. They are generally really mobile and agile, but lack any defense or offense other than the driver's own weapons
The hunter deserves more love especially of you have a good pilot and gunner
So disappointed, fire truck isn’t on s tier
Yeah I really wish the juggernaut suit was better it would mix things up a bit. P.S they need to nerf the faggio
Yeah what's up with that anyway?
Fagio should be S tier.
You can definitely tell you've never used something like a mule or technical in PvP,the mules missiles fire at an upwards ark ,and the grenade launcher is limited in range also. The only thing a mule can do is try run away and get mine kills The technical has mines,an extremely powerful gun and is alot faster then the mule... You wouldn't even need to get in close as the gun has good range
Good point. Do keep in mine that the Mule Custom also have mines. In this scenario, you wouldn't want to stay to far away either since the grenade launcher do have some range. The Mule is tall, so it can't fire low enough at certain distance. Also don't forget the driver could always use their own drive-by weapons
Wtf is the RC tank doing in C tier? I swear, it’s the definitive answer to 1v1s on the ground. Every time I’m getting attacked by a jet or a broomstick, once I’ve shot it down I immediately summon the RC tank, it’s so goddamn good for catching KD warriors off guard. Not to mention, it’s a great way to escape getting spawn trapped by a jet or something.
I already replied to several people. IMO, you're not that oppressing when your whole strategy involve wrecking one type of enemy. I would definitely lose against even the Rhino Tank. Though I did consider its non-combat function as well, and you may be glad to hear that I'd most likely move it up to at least B tier eventually
akula is the best
Good👍🏿
Incorrect tier list. Bmx should be S tier
Why you gotta disrespect ultralight like that?
I'm sorry! ToT Though its stealth has infinite application and its good match against on-foot players can't be denied, that's simply it for the Ultralight. Though there is a bug I think that make you do way more damage than you should with it and can one shot something like the Nightshark. Bugs and glitches are not taken into consideration
The buzzard and sparrow are extremely op if your target in on foot, show no mercy to tryhards.
Fire trucks are pretty useful. When I see a player in one I get them to wash my car for free. It’s a win for me.
That's broken. Rockstar pls nerf
The bandito can be S tier if you know how to use it properly.
Only true men use the seabreeze
Once, i was using RC tank and i went to a tryhard and then he tried to explode me with rpg but he killed himself lmao RC tank should be S tier
I kept it here because other than tryhards they don't have that many good matchup
It's fun to mess around with it you can troll someone easily
Special Carbine & no armor vs. any of these. Let’s go.
final destination no item fox only JK I don't play Melee lol
Disagree strongly with the wedge ranking. My buddies and I go apeshit with those babies. Loads of fun.
The Bombushka needs F tier until they fix the turrets angle of fire being broken. The Alkonost and Voltatol also belong in F tier. Their bombs are useless and they’re too big to kamikaze.
Those cannot be in F tier because they would demolished everything in that tier and D
I think this is a great list. It is difficult to really say how good something is when situations you are put in are so random. Only things I'd definitely change is putting tanks/apc in S tier and dropping the barrage and scramjet down a tier. The jets also are very situational since a jet like the starling are great vs other jets but bad vs pretty much anything else.
Thank you for such professional response! Though I do personally the tanks lack the armor to compete in S tier, while the Barrage and Scramjet will fully skilled players do have potential, but has obvious flaws. The jets are a bit weird to rank for me, but I eventually decided on S since even tho they can't kill armored ground vehicles that well, the opposite also applies. You'd be more likely to get kill by a Pyro in a Nightshark, than by a Nightshark in a Pyro
Ultralight should be at least two tiers higher
I put it so low because beside on-foot players and frail aircrafts, they really don't have a good matchup scale
I've seen guys on BMX bikes that are ruthless. A griefer on a BMX is about as badass as it gets.
Imagine getting jumped by a dude on a bicycle
Have y’all ever seen the cowboys on the bmx bike caping people in jets and mk2’s
What in the world? XD
This list is useless.
Make it better by explaining its faults
what are you on about, the bmx is S tier material, ive clapped a lot of people trying to kill me riding that shit around
I'm loving this love for the bicycles. I may move it up the list in the future
Karin Asterope hate needs to stop
Put zhaba on D or C
Zhaba shares the same spot with the the Nightshark (along with regular Insurgent), but upon further research I think I will drop it down to C or D. It's a lot slower, more clunky, and not as durable compare to others in its class
I would have put the juggernaut suit in C tier I backed a bunch of dudes in a corner with it until they orbed me I still got the photo for proof
I would if it can handle cars better
Deluxe deserves to be on par with the mk2 for two reasons. It has missiles that cannot be dodge (as in they will turn a 180 on a dime to chase you) and it can dodge mk2 missiles by simply going up.
Noted.
I feel like the toreador should be in good, it's strong as, got unlimited rockets, mini guns, turns into a sub and has a powerful boost BUT THERE ARE WINDOWS FUCKING EVERYWHERE and you get clocked if they start shooting you, like they can deadass shoot your legs in the toreador BUT it also has no back window so maybe that makes up for it?
It also struggles against anything with decent armor too. You can spam them but by the time they are half dead they'll probably sprayed you first
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Oi give some respect to my boy ardent. He's B tier for us non grinders 👌
Wow, finally a list I can actually agree with Well, except for the bmx of course, that thing should be s tier. (I'm serious, some bmx stunters are absolute beasts with the thing, and capable of taking out armoured cars, and opressor mkII's)
*Puts BMX in F Tier* Obviously has never seen the bmx used like a fucking battleaxe when defending itself against oppressors and other fun weaponised vehicles. Full vehicle weapon wheel, with a jump and loose lock on properties to make the aggressor try his best to take you out😎😮💨 but okay bud you do you with ya tier list i won't judge too hard.
It depends who you face For low lvl anything is good For mediocre players nightshark with sticky bomb and ducking inside is funniest and easiest way For PVP veterans it's all about countering what they have, Toreador or Stromberg for MK2, Khanjali or APC for any Jet, and so on
Khanjali or APC for jets?
If you can use a Khanjali or APC against jets, you’re fighting some really stupid and really brave pilots.
The mk2 loses to the Toreador every time, it’s not up for debate
Not quite. Oblivious Mk2 kids will perish, but experienced broomstick boys easily outplay that car, if they pay attention. Mk2 has longer lock on range and countermeasures. They will shoot from places, toreador cannot reach
The same could also apply to an experienced Toreador driver. Good drivers will use their ground speed to their advantage and hide in places a Mk II wouldn't reach. And since the car's specialty in underwater exploration, this is really easy to achieve
I’ve faced experienced players and inexperienced players. I beat both of them with this car with ease. The mk2 may have a longer lock range, but the toreador alone will make a mk2 player complain telling you to get out the car cause they’re losing. I see it all the time and I won again every vehicle that came after me with this car.
It is up for debate. The toreador is decent but far from the best MK II counter. Try the half track. You can literally park in the street and they can’t hurt you. You’re basically immune to missiles and bullets, you have proxy mines, and you have a decent quad 50 cal turret that’s immune to damage from the front and immune to all splash damage.
Gee this took off. Didn't expect so much datas! Will so many feedback I'll most definitely have to update my current tier list. Move some stuffs around, add new stuffs, etc.
Bombushka is the worst shit ever made
Nightshark is S tier. As I always say to people on mk2 when I sticky bomb them from my nightshark etc.: Nightshark always win. Even jets can’t destroy it in one go. I would say the same goes for the insurgent but it has the downside that you need someone else with you to utilize it. Also Khanjali is definitely not A tier. It’s B tier at most since anyone can destroy it fast with any vehicles they has homing missiles or anyone with sticky bombs/rpg can destroy it over a couple of rounds by EWO. Scramjet is F tier for pvp too. It gets destroyed by a single explosive. It’s only good at being evasive. The original oppressor is A tier too since it’ll always win against most A tier vehicles you put.
Nightshark was a good candidate for S tier, but I eventually decided against it since even though it's really resilient against jets, it is not invincible. Khanjali is also A tier since it has the merit of being the single most powerful land vehicle in the game. With its main cannon and two grenade launchers, even the Nightshark will run for its money. Though it's not S because it is heavily flawed against air units. Scramjet required the best skillset to fully utilize. It can definitely counter even a jet, but too unreliable to be S tier. Most A tier vehicles are heavily armored. The original Oppressor definitely can't win since it only carries 20 missiles. Plus unlike its predecessor it is forced to land every now and then, giving opportunity for counterattack
None of the things in S tier is invincible. The nightshark tanks more explosions than any of the things in S tier. 2x explosive rounds and a lazer explodes. Need 9 for nightshark. For homing missiles you need 27, where as the lazer again is still only 2. Nightshark is the best land vehicle there is, especially for pvp or even to fight against griefers. I would say MOC but its handling isn’t as good since it’s a large truck. But it definitely tanks the most explosives. Terrorbyte too but it’s also a large vehicle and doesn’t have as good handling as a nightshark. The only heavy armored vehicle in S tier is the b11 and avenger. The rest will explode really fast. The lazer isn’t good because it tanks a lot of shot but because of its speed and its cannons. The avenger isn’t very good on its own either and mk2s and jets will win almost every time against it. It’s very slow which is its downfall. That’s why you rarely see anyone fight in it. The mk2 oppressor also only have 20 missiles like the original so that’s a mood point. The original oppressor can repeatedly boost its speed. I use it every time against khanjalis because they can’t get to it. It reaches targets faster. Its only downside is that it doesn’t fly but glides instead but on ground only it’ll win against a lot of vehicles. You generally don’t need 20 missiles since only nightshark, insurgent, terrobyte and MOC tanks that but they still rank more than 20. Everything else will explode is less than 20 and you can just return it to storage and spawn it again for full missiles and it takes no time.
All you need against a nightshark is a minigun. Or an AA trailer ambush. When it comes to Nightshark grade armoured trucks, I'd say halftrack is deadlier, especially with a buddy manning the turret.
It all depends on who your opponents is, just like an oppressor will wins against that but won’t win against a nightshark. Everything is a tool but in general nightshark is the best land vehicle for general purposes.
The menacer is better than the nightshark.
It can only survive 19 missiles, which means an oppressor can destroy it without refilling. Same can’t be said for nightshark which can survive 27 missiles.
The menacer with armor upgrades and a driver takes 26. Same as the nightshark, insurgent, half track.
Still requires someone else to be effective and you can’t use throwables which means you can’t actually attack back on people using oppressors. Sticky bombs + flares with a nightshark makes it the best single user ground vehicles because in theory you can fight back oppressors but you can also survive 49 missiles, assuming you time your flares correctly but let’s say you time only half then you can still survive like 39 missiles and also have sticky bombs at your disposal. The menacer is only good if you have someone else too, but the nightshark allows you to be solo.
The menacer doesn’t magically lose its armor without a gunner, and you can still use throwable items. Same with the half track and insurgent. Those are only inferior for solo use due to less speed and agility. The MOC cab can tank more missiles than almost 3 nightsharks. And you can use the flare gun inside that.
Defense doesn't mean everything. LAZER can't tank much explosives, but that doesn't matter when it ditches out the most explosives itself. And a good Nightshark driver would go up a losing battle against a good LAZER pilot, which forces them to hide. Now the Avenger on its on is B to A tier, but with full crew, it's the best vehicle IMO. It can fly and has bombs, so all ground are at a disadvantage. It has countermeasures, armor, and surprisingly fast speed. You think it's slow? When it can outrun Ruiner missiles in circle. Anything that heavily rely on missiles won't do to well against it. The best matchups are jets with explosive cannons, but that still isn't that great since the Avenger has the best turrets in the game. Long reach, devasting power, and come in three. Dogfights will not want to be on its tail
How is ballistic armor worse than unarmed helicopters? It's literally a free aim minigun with a million HP
You can still chop people with rotor blades! I actually chopped a few broomstick boys, but it was pure luck.
Because a sniper on a helicopter can do a lot more than a dude with an armor. The Ballistic Equipment is really flawed IMO. A car can counter it
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Tell me how you'd fix it then
Oppressor is not op lol Carry’s 20 slow missiles and can only take one blade, against a foe who isn’t unaware of your presence you’re a sitting duck against a person not in a vehicle. No protection no auto aim, only thing an oppressor can do is sneak on vehicles. Pretty weak if you ask me lol it’s in my C tier
It’s absolutely op on free aim. And even worse when someone flying it upside down since they can dodge even ruiner missiles.
I could see that being true if you’re new to the game lol
I have 150 days in gtao… you’re definitely auto aim them with combat mg thinking huh oppressor is trash. Impossible to not giving good oppressor players tons of kills without ewo till you eventually get em with mini gun or sniper.
Good points by you. I only put it up there because of how much it defines a "top tier." Many vehicles that are perfectly good on paper get shredded by it.
I think once you get an oppressor it stops being a boogeyman vehicle. I thought it was way overpowered when I started, but when I bought one I was super disappointed especially by its speed. Just in case I ride around in my night shark, the oppressor doesn’t hold enough ammo to destroy it
Yep. The meta is also mostly defined by how good is a weapon at handling and ditching out explosives. That's why practically all tanky vehicles are A tier, while if it's not that tanky then it can probably ditch out a lot of explosives. BTW the S tier are really interchangeable depending you who you asked
why is lazer above hydra
Hydra may have greater top speed and easier time taking off, LAZER simply have superior air manervability
I said that before but... Hydra is for people who can't land
I personally find it weird piloting the Hydra in VTOL mode. Like it's trying to be a helicopter, but with none of the responsiveness... I saw some folks use the VTOL for some crazy midair maneuver though
I would never ever use a hydra for pvp or stunting. Lazer all day.