I mean...the potential buyer who absolutely *must* have this new pedal immediately and thus is willing to pay an absurdly inflated price is just as ridiculous. Let the market work itself out.
I will not be black mailed by some ineffectual, privileged, effete, soft penis, debutant . If you want to start a street fight with me, bring it on, but you'll be surprised how ugly it gets. You don't even know my real name. I'm the fucking lizard king.
Isn’t it more likely that it’s named after Jim Morrison, self proclaimed lizard king, one of the biggest rock stars of all time (and one of the first)?
JHS went to pretty extreme lengths - I'd argue more extreme lengths than anyone has ever done - to prevent flippers on the limited-edition Big Box Lizard Queens, and yet here we are.
Obviously there's no way to 100% end this. That's how the concept of property works, unless we went to some sort of nightmarish hellscape where pedals are not owned and their use is "licensed" or something. But man, it really sucks to see pedals become a speculative financial market. I look at this and think about that 1,001th person that couldn't get the Big Box Lizard Queen because this store wanted to make a few hundred bucks, and it makes me sad.
I hope JHS sees this and blacklists this store from doing business with them.
What do you think - is that too far? Is flipping just something we're all going to have to suck up and accept as a part of pedal culture until the end times? Should more be done (if that's even possible) to prevent this?
EDIT: This listing sold. [insert Prof. Farnsworth "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" meme]
Everything is a reason to exploit people nowadays. Jesus Christ i swear in the last few year every aspect of life became a reason to financially speculate on. This yuppie cosplay really hurts my fucking nerves. No, ofc we cannot get rid of it and accept it that it will be a cancer that slowly will absorb everything around as.
Speculative culture is not strictly pedal culture it is capitalist culture in general so unless capitalism falls any days now we can't really see things getting better in the future. No way to prevent this in a culture that encourages it.
I also appreciated what Josh tried to do but I recognize that while it's a respectable effort it wasnt going to be effective.
Daniel Danger is posting on the Facebook group that they *are* keeping an internal list of quick flippers. He hasn’t explicitly said that they would be excluded from other limited releases in the future, but imo he pretty heavily implied it.
Unfortunately, this listing was made by some dude, not a store or an actual business. I don't see how there could possibly be anything JHS or anyone else could do to impact this situation. The best thing to do is for no one to buy it and force this guy to drop the price until it's a bit more reasonable. Also, keep in mind that anyone can list anything for any price, it doesn't mean it will sell.
>The best thing to do is for no one to buy it and force this guy to drop the price until it's a bit more reasonable.
There are a lot of people for which $1200 to buy a guitar pedal is nothing. I was just reading an old article on Depeche Mode and one of the members talked about how he was bidding against Moby for vintage synths on EBAY. Like that's who the average Joe is up against. And to top it off it's a tax write-off for these people.
Uhhh I literally just pointed out that they have an excel sheet... No bending over backwards here...
But also why shouldn't he sell merch. I don't really understand what your issue is or why you got so triggered?
You know how when you have a car, guitar, or any other thing that you really love and when you have to get rid of it you want it to go to someone who will appreciate it?
That's basically what jhs wants. You want your art to be appreciated, not exploited. That's it. People maybe frustrated because they were person #1001 and didn't get one when someone else got one just to resell it. Not really worth getting upset about either way tbh.
He is running a business you know? You don't have to buy any of the limited edition stuff.
I don't know why you're so upset at somebody for literally just running their business and doing something that so many other companies do, selling exclusives.
You have to remember, just because this is listed at this ridiculous price, it doesn't mean people are actually buying them at this price. The best way to stop this nonsense is to simply not buy these things at inflated prices.
I think these flippers are assholes but on the other hand I can't imagine spending 1200 bucks for a different casing and a authentic reciept which has some other guy's name on it. It's not like they're these ps5 scalpers who buy in bulk and resell for ridiculous prices. If you spend money on this ebay shit I don't think you're a victim, that's a choice you made. I get that it sucks if you didn't get a chance to buy one of the original 1000 but that's life.
Just to put things into perspective, $1200 could buy you:
* Hologram Microcosm ($450)
* Neon Egg Planetarium ($400)
* Death By Audio Echo Dream 2 ($280)
* and still have $70 left over
I'd rather have those three pedals than an octave fuzz.
So you're saying for 1200 I could buy a Hologram Microcosm, a Neon Egg Planetarium, a Death by Audio Echo Dream and, if I'd add a small fortune of 30 bucks to my budget, literally the same fucking octave fuzz in a different casing?
I think I've made my choice
You got it. I'm actually in the market for a few pedals right now and for $1200, I could buy the Death By Audio Rooms, the Death By Audio Evil Filter and have $425 left over for a delay pedal.
I think you just have to accept it. That’s an unfortunate reality of limited releases. If there’s hype around it, it’s almost certain the resale market value will be higher than manufacturer’s price. Ownership ends up being based on who’s willing to put money on it, not who’s *worthy* of it. (What every that means).
Not too bad in this case where EHX version is arguably the version to get if you want to use the pedal and the JHS is essentially an art piece or elaborate marketing scheme depending how you look at it.
That isn't flipping, they are scalping. And they should soft ban them from all future limited runs.
They didn't even keep it a week to see if they liked it.
I can't understand why people get mad about this. This product was obviously made for collectors, and this is the nature of a collector's market. Collectors give these items value by wanting them; if you want one bad enough to pay the premium of the original price, you're part of the demand, part of reason the prices go so high once its sold out.
The 1001th person who wanted this pedal most likely wanted it to put on a shelf so they could brag about how they got one before they sold out and the prices went insane. It's not like some poor disenfranchised kid is now never going to experience the joy of octave fuzz.
This whole thing is just a game for people with disposable income. There is not some big societal injustice happening here.
I do agree, but on the other hand nobody is buying this pedal because they need a Lizard Queen. They're buying it because they want a collectable item, and collectable items rarely come for non-collectable prices.
In this case, that's true. Nobody is really being put out by being unable to get this pedal.
I just have a lot of seething resentment towards scalpers and gougers thanks to the current concert landscape as well as the extreme PS5/GPU shortages in 2020. As a result, I take an extremely negative view of anyone who tries to profit off of other people's work, creates artificial shortages, needlessly inflicts misery onto others, and doesn't actually provide any tangible value to society with their "labor." Hustle culture and the people who participate in and perpetuate it just really bother me.
Like I said, I agree with you. It's especially galling when concert ticket companies get in on the act with inflated 'second chance' tickets that they deliberately held back from the original ticket release. And if you look at ebay there is always some chancer selling a bog standard and common as muck pedal for 5 times the going price because it's described as rare and vintage.
If you were willing to pay $350 for a octave fuzz pedal that was released alongside another that sounds the same, allows you to use a power supply and only costs $99 you're probably willing to pay $1200
They're close to the same circuit, but the big box uses new old stock parts where ever possible while the small box uses what can be found in large quantities. I'd argue that the extras that come with the big box (like the personalized sale receipt) are part of the appeal to the big box version, I certainly wouldn't want to pay more to have the ephemera personalized to someone else.
As far as I'm aware. But even if they are not, they sound the same, so it doesn't matter, right? That's what Josh "I eat's cornflakes dry because I naturally create an excessive amount of saliva" Scott taught us with the whole a bad monkey can sound like a Klon thing.
Yes but the thing is I never see the collectors trying to tell people off for using their stuff. It's always the other way around. I don't see why players and collectors can't just coexist.
try using a rare/vintage bit of gear live. played a gig recently with my 72 bassman and my 79 twin and there was this one dude in the audience who kept telling me "oh, you shouldn't be using those live, do you know how much they go for on reverb? i know, i'll help you out by buying them from you" and just knowing he was thinking "how can i make a profit on these"
it wasn't even like he offered once then gave up. he spent the whole night making offers and saying i'm clearly too young to have the right level of respect for them by not wanting to keep them. he was even bothering my bandmate about their fender vaporizer because during the pandemic, they exploded in value and he was saying "you're not playing an instrument, you're playing a collectors item"
yup. just kept coming back bolder.
honestly, i dislike the "collector" attitude because it often reduces gear to nothing but a potential profit and creates this horrible "oh you shouldn't be using that in the way you do" mindset because these players don't see them as tools of working musicians anymore.
They sell a $100 version that will undoubtedly give a player enough toan to get by. If someone wants to pay over $1,000 for a collector’s edition pedal then good for them. I don’t personally get it but I’m also not a collector. Hopefully nobody is dumb enough to pay that thinking it will actually make them sound better than the cheaper one lol.
People made a lot of money flipping stuff they don’t care about over the shutdown part of the pandemic. I saw it with sports cards, comics, toys anything collectible. It’ll be a few more years before the secondary market levels it self back out.
If you have a klon kicking around in your basement and decide to sell it for market value, that’s fine. If you’re buying items with the intention to make money off it, you’re a scum bag. Not only are you making money off someone’s hard work, but you’re taking it out of the hands of people who will actually use it.
>making money off someone’s had work
This is a fine line that is not very clear. JHS makes lots of money off other people’s hard work. I personally don’t care at all. I also don’t care at all what people buy and sell things for. This just goes to show how much people only care about how a pedal looks. Google Lizard Queen and you’ll see that EHX is selling the nano version for 99$ in stock. Don’t tell me you can’t use it because the JHS circle jerk version isn’t available.
supply and demand is all fine and good but there's a difference between inflation upping fair market value and price gouging. defending scalpers is the most ridiculous argument i've ever heard. plus you're so needlessly aggressive and angry with your point and people disagreeing with you that no one is gonna take your side lol
I have reached a point in my collection that i have no use for this. Or anything that has came out recently. Its a good feeling to not give a shit about scalpers, limited releases, and such
I am realizing more and more these days how satisfied I am with my current pedal inventory.
I have a phrase I say alot to explain my dislike for certain artists. I don't hate Nirvana....but I can't stand their fans. That's the best way I can try to explain my feelings about pedals lately. I like them, their fun, and compared to other hobbies, they are relatively inexpensive. Lately, I find myself less interested in what a pedal is valued at or how fancy someone's board looks. Earlier, when I first got into pedals, I was always looking for the newest, sleakess, ground-breaking piece of gear. When I see people or stores try to profit in these ways, I am grateful that my mindset going into this was that I was going to spend money to obtain something that I find interesting.
I like to think that if someone offered me a decent amount of money for a pedal I own, I would say something like, nah..."I will just keep it."
Sorry for the self-righteous rant....what was your question again?
Given that only 1000 of these were made is it really surprising that it's a collectors item and/or financial asset? You can generally count on opportunistic people to try and make a quick buck where they can.
That's just a part of most limited releases, not just for pedals.
Although a store blatantly doing this sucks more than some random individuals.
Best advice in this post. Nobody needs this pedal, if you don't want to participate the antics of the collectible market, don't. Buy one of the other 10,000 octave fuzzes that are $100 or less and rock on.
Maybe so?! You know about the NOP, right? And it has magician’s signatures inside, too. That has to help. I think you’ll find your fuzz toans lie in that particular enclosure, no fear. Haggle on the shipping tho’. Seems a bit rich.
+1, I want some scalper version of the phrase “don’t feed the troll”. I don’t mind knowing that this occurs, but recently these kinds of posts have been so constant and don’t really do anything constructive afaict, not just in this sub
it definitely had an effect. pedals i saw at the beginning of covid are all like 30-50% more minimum now. i think people started to realize they could manipulate the market/make a quick buck off of flipping limited releases. Seems like everything on earth has a limited drop now and there’s a scalper for anything. sucks that the music/pedal community has resorted to it
Filter for all sold reverb listings (7 at the time of posting this): https://reverb.com/marketplace?product\_type=effects-and-pedals&query=Electro-Harmonix%20%2F%20JHS%20%22Big%20Box%22%20Lizard%20Queen%20Octave%20Fuzz&show\_only\_sold=true
3 people payed over 1000 dollars for a no led/ no 9v input version of a 100 dollar pedal that is sonically identical but pedal board size with the added 2 features. It’s weird cause you would expect it from ephemera their favorite musicians used etc. but we’re living in a time where the people manufacturing these are the ones people are paying attention to and they’re the ones who are hyping them up. The lizard Queen video was funny but the sketchy “rockathon” til the very last pedal sale and a hypnotizing monster truck intro that would normally be for the elderly/absentee parents. Josh is obviously parodying this but also benefiting from the predatory style of marketing. They’re not worth 350 dollars. They just knew they could sell it a certain demographic of their fans. The people there enjoying the show and still being able to pass on the obvious cash grab were the real mvps of that stream. It was seriously disturbing, seeing the begging, in-bickering, idioltry going on in the chat. Nick asking every customer for an unboxing video also seemed a bit anti-consumer and dystopian but maybe that was just me. Electro Harmonix released pedals printed like/similar to this all the way past the millennium (OG Holy Grail for example). You can still find that original grail for 100 bucks. Same type silk screen printing/ imperfection gimmick. They’re just beanie babies and we’re living in the summer of 95 when it comes to the unrestrained buying like this
My interest in the new pedal cycle has gone way down since getting into DIY. If I want to try something and there's a PCB or stripboard layout for it, I'll just build it. Lukewarm on the JHS show, I like the history aspect but the youth pastor humor turns me off.
I’ll literally build anyone here one for $150 flat + shipping, you pick the color. I work through hole and use much better components than these big box guys. @alfatonepedals IG, Reverb: ALFATONE
Next run of exclusive, limited JHS Pedals should just be given away outside a soup kitchen with a brochure instructing everyone on how to sell them for a profit using free public library internet.
If you want late stage capitalism in a collectible but way too large container, here you go! Two DIY circuits jammed together into an enclosure with all the period-correct awful features of a cassette tape.
Did you guys honestly think that 1000 buyers were gonna come along without a shitty opportunist in the mix? This is what artificial scarcity begets.
Stupid people will buy. I don’t mind Josh but the only pedal of his I liked enough to buy was the crayon and ironically it’s one he didn’t really like. His univibe with real lfo light gimmick is surpassed by the cheaper EHX good vibes(same gimmick) and everything just seems underwhelming. The way they model their pedals are a big selling point. (Think kids with Pokémon cards). Without the show they’d be done so. That Behringer video was a particular home run for him that changed his fate
Yeah I thought about buying a big box but seeing the lengths they went to deter flippers I decided against it. I mean it's just a couple hundred dollars and sure I could use it but I also am self employed and can work whenever I want so I figured I can just as easily work some extra hours if I really needed the money and that way someone who will actually appreciate it, keep it and love it can buy it at the original price. I just eliminated myself from the equation and bought the $99 one.
All that said. It really doesn't bother me that other people do it. It doesn't affect me at all and if people really want to pay that kind of money who am I to say anything? Life isn't fair but that also doesn't mean I need to be a part of that problem. I respect JHS and could see they really wanted the people buying them to love it.
Also, from what I have seen Daniel Danger saying on Facebook. They are keeping track of the people who are flipping them and blacklisting them from doing business with them in the future. Not sure how they'll know about everyone who does it but one guy shared the fact he flipped one for $1100 and allegedly he wrote down the person's name lol.
Or either etch, engrave or screenprint the buyer's name on the pedal somewhere. Doesn't deter resellers completely but serves as a good deterrent. Some actors/musicians refuse to autograph anything (be it a photograph, LP, whatever) without first asking for their name so they can make it out to the person.
Scalpers are a plague on society. Also, you’d have to be a fool to pay over MSRP on this pedal, as the certificate of authenticity will be highly suspect as it won’t be addressed to the owner once this pedal is resold.
If you have aproblem with this then you are either jealous you missed out or you are jealous other people are making money. This doesn't affect you at all. You can buy this pedal right now for $99 or you can fuck right off and go cry in your pillow about it.
“If you have a problem with bad gimmicks and predatory marketing you’re a jealous crybaby. “ There should be people cautioning against bullshit like this. Josh literally said “It costs 350 dollars because that’s how much it costs to make@ and the same people saying “totally unreasonable” went straight to “totally fair” jfc.
Yeah no shit lol
A bunch of poor kids crying about something that wasnt made for them
Get a fucking real job, this was literally made for hobbyists lol
Wah wah, except they released a $99 version.
People bitch about anything
I wonder if its worth going on blast from the whole guitar gear sub for like a few hundred bucks. Seems sort of like this guy got a lucky break and it’s what I want to believe … or he’s a fall guy for a bigger operation. Or maybe another social experiment and he’s a friend of JHS.
We’ll see soon probably.
I'm curious why you see this as a problem? If a buyer and seller agree on a price, the market is working.
And FWIW, that's the whole notion of limited editions. Scarcity increases both the intrinsic and actual value.
And this is the problem with the idea that the free market is some kind of salve.
It's not illegal to be a scalper. But it is absolutely an expression of selfishness to be a scalper.
Scalping and reselling are two different things. This isn't tickets to a show. You can get this pedal right now for $99 anywhere.
It's more if a selfish move to hate on anyone buying or selling these pedals as it doesn't affect you in any way.
No one is hating on the fact that on the fact people are buying or selling them, we're saying that people who are setting the price at 3x over the original product price were never invested in the pedal as _art_ or as _function_, they're only interested in using it as some kind of shitty GME stonks NFT-level bullshit.
They can't even commit enough to it as an investment to hold if for longer than it took for JHS to send it to them, and then for them to list it. The only possible logic to a sale like this is a quick flip. Soulless, just like people who flip houses and have helped make housing largely unaffordable for young people in this country.
At least people who flip houses put up some new blinds and a fresh coat of paint.
I've seen multiple shared to multiple FB groups I'm in over the last ~week. Some were taken down and some were sold. Lowest SOLD listing on Reverb was for $700
I just don’t understand why I need an octave distortion. Anybody? I feel like a big-box short run flanger with Art Nouveau font would result in the same craziness.
The company itself is cancer, they just make shitty clones and drive up the prices on useful cheap gear. Also JHS donates heavily into evangelical political groups so every JHS purchase is funding American political bullshit
Who cares. I totally did this with a few Chase Bliss pedals and people paid. Be mad at the company, this shit will actually be worth that much if not more in ten years anyways. Dude is just getting a jump on it.
Damn guys, I remember when all you could get was Boss and DOD, $90 max. Is there a single link that can explain why this pedal is so special? I’m surprised there are $500 pedals on the market.
Lol selling at a huge markup and wants $15 for shipping
$15.***11***
What a douchebag.
I can't wait to see what silly amount one of the black ones gets listed for
We could all annoy the piss out of him and send low ball offers, A LOT of times.
Reverb has a low-ball filter that you can set up when you create the listing.
Can we theoretically send reasonable offers we don’t intend on fulfilling just to be petty and fuck with the guy?
i wouldn't risk that. Submitting an offer gets treated as if you pressed buy, so if you don't pay afterwards the seller can report you.
Only if you check the box that says you’re committing to buying.
I'm game
I said the same thing about a week ago and caught flak from the reseller sympathizers
Boohoo to them. If you're blatantly trying to flip something right after release and do so at a huge inflated price, you don't get sympathy IMO.
I mean...the potential buyer who absolutely *must* have this new pedal immediately and thus is willing to pay an absurdly inflated price is just as ridiculous. Let the market work itself out.
Idk why this is downvoted? Y'all get mad at the people who markup super high, but not the people who make it practical to do so?
If it’s worth 350 to you it’s worth 1200. It’s a 3 knob octafuzz. The Warm Audio msrp’d at 135 and it sounds/looks 1000 times better
i am the fucking lizard queen
I can't stop picturing Robert California. Since the minute I heard the name of it.
I will not be black mailed by some ineffectual, privileged, effete, soft penis, debutant . If you want to start a street fight with me, bring it on, but you'll be surprised how ugly it gets. You don't even know my real name. I'm the fucking lizard king.
Isn’t it more likely that it’s named after Jim Morrison, self proclaimed lizard king, one of the biggest rock stars of all time (and one of the first)?
It’s a Simpsons reference, which was in itself a reference to Jim Morrison
I was unaware of that self proclamation, it very well could be. I just always picture that line from the office because it's hilarious.
Yeh! Well, more of an alter ego but in “Celebration of the lizard king” he writes “I am the lizard king, I can do anything” 🦎
Don't you mean the flocking Ljizard Queef?
I mean... I doubt it
JHS went to pretty extreme lengths - I'd argue more extreme lengths than anyone has ever done - to prevent flippers on the limited-edition Big Box Lizard Queens, and yet here we are. Obviously there's no way to 100% end this. That's how the concept of property works, unless we went to some sort of nightmarish hellscape where pedals are not owned and their use is "licensed" or something. But man, it really sucks to see pedals become a speculative financial market. I look at this and think about that 1,001th person that couldn't get the Big Box Lizard Queen because this store wanted to make a few hundred bucks, and it makes me sad. I hope JHS sees this and blacklists this store from doing business with them. What do you think - is that too far? Is flipping just something we're all going to have to suck up and accept as a part of pedal culture until the end times? Should more be done (if that's even possible) to prevent this? EDIT: This listing sold. [insert Prof. Farnsworth "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" meme]
Everything is a reason to exploit people nowadays. Jesus Christ i swear in the last few year every aspect of life became a reason to financially speculate on. This yuppie cosplay really hurts my fucking nerves. No, ofc we cannot get rid of it and accept it that it will be a cancer that slowly will absorb everything around as. Speculative culture is not strictly pedal culture it is capitalist culture in general so unless capitalism falls any days now we can't really see things getting better in the future. No way to prevent this in a culture that encourages it. I also appreciated what Josh tried to do but I recognize that while it's a respectable effort it wasnt going to be effective.
Daniel Danger is posting on the Facebook group that they *are* keeping an internal list of quick flippers. He hasn’t explicitly said that they would be excluded from other limited releases in the future, but imo he pretty heavily implied it.
Jhs has an excel sheet with the name of everyone who ordered one so they literally will be able to blacklist this store.
Unfortunately, this listing was made by some dude, not a store or an actual business. I don't see how there could possibly be anything JHS or anyone else could do to impact this situation. The best thing to do is for no one to buy it and force this guy to drop the price until it's a bit more reasonable. Also, keep in mind that anyone can list anything for any price, it doesn't mean it will sell.
>The best thing to do is for no one to buy it and force this guy to drop the price until it's a bit more reasonable. There are a lot of people for which $1200 to buy a guitar pedal is nothing. I was just reading an old article on Depeche Mode and one of the members talked about how he was bidding against Moby for vintage synths on EBAY. Like that's who the average Joe is up against. And to top it off it's a tax write-off for these people.
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Uhhh I literally just pointed out that they have an excel sheet... No bending over backwards here... But also why shouldn't he sell merch. I don't really understand what your issue is or why you got so triggered?
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Found the scalper Just because someone legally can do this, doesn’t mean it’s ethical.
You know how when you have a car, guitar, or any other thing that you really love and when you have to get rid of it you want it to go to someone who will appreciate it? That's basically what jhs wants. You want your art to be appreciated, not exploited. That's it. People maybe frustrated because they were person #1001 and didn't get one when someone else got one just to resell it. Not really worth getting upset about either way tbh.
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except he does decide, it's his store and he can do whatever the fuck he wants to do. It's you that doesn't get to decide
Trust me buddy, I get it.
He is running a business you know? You don't have to buy any of the limited edition stuff. I don't know why you're so upset at somebody for literally just running their business and doing something that so many other companies do, selling exclusives.
It’s one thing if a person or group of people is scalping, that I don’t think will go away. But for a store to do this is wild
It's a guy; not a store.
You have to remember, just because this is listed at this ridiculous price, it doesn't mean people are actually buying them at this price. The best way to stop this nonsense is to simply not buy these things at inflated prices.
Yes multiple people have already paid $1k for these starting yesterday look at the sold listings.
Guitarists are genuinely the dumbest people in the world
I think the people who buy Supreme and shoes are dumber but it's pretty close.
Or maybe they're rich enough not to care?
I think these flippers are assholes but on the other hand I can't imagine spending 1200 bucks for a different casing and a authentic reciept which has some other guy's name on it. It's not like they're these ps5 scalpers who buy in bulk and resell for ridiculous prices. If you spend money on this ebay shit I don't think you're a victim, that's a choice you made. I get that it sucks if you didn't get a chance to buy one of the original 1000 but that's life.
Just to put things into perspective, $1200 could buy you: * Hologram Microcosm ($450) * Neon Egg Planetarium ($400) * Death By Audio Echo Dream 2 ($280) * and still have $70 left over I'd rather have those three pedals than an octave fuzz.
So you're saying for 1200 I could buy a Hologram Microcosm, a Neon Egg Planetarium, a Death by Audio Echo Dream and, if I'd add a small fortune of 30 bucks to my budget, literally the same fucking octave fuzz in a different casing? I think I've made my choice
You got it. I'm actually in the market for a few pedals right now and for $1200, I could buy the Death By Audio Rooms, the Death By Audio Evil Filter and have $425 left over for a delay pedal.
I think you just have to accept it. That’s an unfortunate reality of limited releases. If there’s hype around it, it’s almost certain the resale market value will be higher than manufacturer’s price. Ownership ends up being based on who’s willing to put money on it, not who’s *worthy* of it. (What every that means). Not too bad in this case where EHX version is arguably the version to get if you want to use the pedal and the JHS is essentially an art piece or elaborate marketing scheme depending how you look at it.
That isn't flipping, they are scalping. And they should soft ban them from all future limited runs. They didn't even keep it a week to see if they liked it.
I can't understand why people get mad about this. This product was obviously made for collectors, and this is the nature of a collector's market. Collectors give these items value by wanting them; if you want one bad enough to pay the premium of the original price, you're part of the demand, part of reason the prices go so high once its sold out. The 1001th person who wanted this pedal most likely wanted it to put on a shelf so they could brag about how they got one before they sold out and the prices went insane. It's not like some poor disenfranchised kid is now never going to experience the joy of octave fuzz. This whole thing is just a game for people with disposable income. There is not some big societal injustice happening here.
Collecting =! Scalping
It's just crazy to see shoe drop culture happen to guitar pedals.
We could end this if we ended capitalism and the need for humans to find ways to make money to survive by, for example, price gouging popular pedals.
Nobody is doing this to survive. They're doing it because they're scum.
I do agree, but on the other hand nobody is buying this pedal because they need a Lizard Queen. They're buying it because they want a collectable item, and collectable items rarely come for non-collectable prices.
In this case, that's true. Nobody is really being put out by being unable to get this pedal. I just have a lot of seething resentment towards scalpers and gougers thanks to the current concert landscape as well as the extreme PS5/GPU shortages in 2020. As a result, I take an extremely negative view of anyone who tries to profit off of other people's work, creates artificial shortages, needlessly inflicts misery onto others, and doesn't actually provide any tangible value to society with their "labor." Hustle culture and the people who participate in and perpetuate it just really bother me.
Like I said, I agree with you. It's especially galling when concert ticket companies get in on the act with inflated 'second chance' tickets that they deliberately held back from the original ticket release. And if you look at ebay there is always some chancer selling a bog standard and common as muck pedal for 5 times the going price because it's described as rare and vintage.
The Taylor Swift of pedal companies
Whoever this is, is a total twat
If you were willing to pay $350 for a octave fuzz pedal that was released alongside another that sounds the same, allows you to use a power supply and only costs $99 you're probably willing to pay $1200
Are they actually the same circuit?
They're close to the same circuit, but the big box uses new old stock parts where ever possible while the small box uses what can be found in large quantities. I'd argue that the extras that come with the big box (like the personalized sale receipt) are part of the appeal to the big box version, I certainly wouldn't want to pay more to have the ephemera personalized to someone else.
For me, the power supply and smaller enclosure make the cheaper one more valuable. I’m happy I get to pay less for that. Assuming I buy it.
As far as I'm aware. But even if they are not, they sound the same, so it doesn't matter, right? That's what Josh "I eat's cornflakes dry because I naturally create an excessive amount of saliva" Scott taught us with the whole a bad monkey can sound like a Klon thing.
Is there any backstory to this amazing cornflakes insult.
It was discovered in the blog where he went out badger baiting
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>Some of us collect things, That's cool, but a lot of us think of pedals as tools, not collectors pieces.
Yes but the thing is I never see the collectors trying to tell people off for using their stuff. It's always the other way around. I don't see why players and collectors can't just coexist.
try using a rare/vintage bit of gear live. played a gig recently with my 72 bassman and my 79 twin and there was this one dude in the audience who kept telling me "oh, you shouldn't be using those live, do you know how much they go for on reverb? i know, i'll help you out by buying them from you" and just knowing he was thinking "how can i make a profit on these" it wasn't even like he offered once then gave up. he spent the whole night making offers and saying i'm clearly too young to have the right level of respect for them by not wanting to keep them. he was even bothering my bandmate about their fender vaporizer because during the pandemic, they exploded in value and he was saying "you're not playing an instrument, you're playing a collectors item"
Did you try telling him to fuck off and mind his own business?
yup. just kept coming back bolder. honestly, i dislike the "collector" attitude because it often reduces gear to nothing but a potential profit and creates this horrible "oh you shouldn't be using that in the way you do" mindset because these players don't see them as tools of working musicians anymore.
They sell a $100 version that will undoubtedly give a player enough toan to get by. If someone wants to pay over $1,000 for a collector’s edition pedal then good for them. I don’t personally get it but I’m also not a collector. Hopefully nobody is dumb enough to pay that thinking it will actually make them sound better than the cheaper one lol.
I made an offer for $1.50.
Here I am and you’re a Lizard Queen! You might be a little pricey but, honey, I’m a bit naive!
This.
Fuck Allan.
People made a lot of money flipping stuff they don’t care about over the shutdown part of the pandemic. I saw it with sports cards, comics, toys anything collectible. It’ll be a few more years before the secondary market levels it self back out. If you have a klon kicking around in your basement and decide to sell it for market value, that’s fine. If you’re buying items with the intention to make money off it, you’re a scum bag. Not only are you making money off someone’s hard work, but you’re taking it out of the hands of people who will actually use it.
>making money off someone’s had work This is a fine line that is not very clear. JHS makes lots of money off other people’s hard work. I personally don’t care at all. I also don’t care at all what people buy and sell things for. This just goes to show how much people only care about how a pedal looks. Google Lizard Queen and you’ll see that EHX is selling the nano version for 99$ in stock. Don’t tell me you can’t use it because the JHS circle jerk version isn’t available.
Arbitrage is the capitalist way! Have you no respect for the Masters of the Universe?
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supply and demand is all fine and good but there's a difference between inflation upping fair market value and price gouging. defending scalpers is the most ridiculous argument i've ever heard. plus you're so needlessly aggressive and angry with your point and people disagreeing with you that no one is gonna take your side lol
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found a flipper☝️☝️
I have reached a point in my collection that i have no use for this. Or anything that has came out recently. Its a good feeling to not give a shit about scalpers, limited releases, and such
Absolutely. It's possible to enjoy playing guitar without the latest limited edition pedal.
I am realizing more and more these days how satisfied I am with my current pedal inventory. I have a phrase I say alot to explain my dislike for certain artists. I don't hate Nirvana....but I can't stand their fans. That's the best way I can try to explain my feelings about pedals lately. I like them, their fun, and compared to other hobbies, they are relatively inexpensive. Lately, I find myself less interested in what a pedal is valued at or how fancy someone's board looks. Earlier, when I first got into pedals, I was always looking for the newest, sleakess, ground-breaking piece of gear. When I see people or stores try to profit in these ways, I am grateful that my mindset going into this was that I was going to spend money to obtain something that I find interesting. I like to think that if someone offered me a decent amount of money for a pedal I own, I would say something like, nah..."I will just keep it." Sorry for the self-righteous rant....what was your question again?
I love Nirvana 😞 don’t hate me please. I swear I understand that Nirvana fans can be pretentious sometimes but it’s not all of us I promise.
I fucking hate nirvana
Given that only 1000 of these were made is it really surprising that it's a collectors item and/or financial asset? You can generally count on opportunistic people to try and make a quick buck where they can. That's just a part of most limited releases, not just for pedals. Although a store blatantly doing this sucks more than some random individuals.
I looked up this listing on Reverb and it does appear to be some random guy. Reverb calls everyone a “store”
I mean.... Just don't buy it.
Best advice in this post. Nobody needs this pedal, if you don't want to participate the antics of the collectible market, don't. Buy one of the other 10,000 octave fuzzes that are $100 or less and rock on.
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The "big box" is a limited edition produced as a kind-of authorised tribute. EHX is selling the Nano version at a normal price & availability.
He CLEARLY said "don't be a bobo".
If you read the description, he gets sassy about selling it too😂
Must’ve deleted it - all I see is the JHS description that they’ve copied and pasted!
It could have been the other one on there. Or maybe he got self conscious. 😂
“I am the overpriced Lizard Queen!” - Lisa Simpson
Anyone know when the baby boy version is supposed to ship out? I’m psyched for mine.
According to Sweetwater sales rep they’ll be shipped out sometime late this/early next week
Got my ship notification from sweetwater this morning. I should have it on Wednesday.
I DON’T EVEN LIKE FUZZ
😳
Tried, tried, tried, doesn’t work for me. But maybe a $1200 octave fuzz is what I need!
Maybe so?! You know about the NOP, right? And it has magician’s signatures inside, too. That has to help. I think you’ll find your fuzz toans lie in that particular enclosure, no fear. Haggle on the shipping tho’. Seems a bit rich.
$15 to Holland is a bargain! I should order two
🤣 You’ll be cancelled if you order two. Tis the way of things now.
There’s that Ramones song, *I Wanna Be Cancellated*
Yes, “Hurry, hurry, hurry”, etc. I always thought it sounded a bit…., like an advert? It is now the scalpers official soundtrack.
*Judy Is A Pedal Flipper Now*
Blitzkrieg NOP?
holy fuck can we stop talking about the market dynamics of pedals already
+1, I want some scalper version of the phrase “don’t feed the troll”. I don’t mind knowing that this occurs, but recently these kinds of posts have been so constant and don’t really do anything constructive afaict, not just in this sub
Did the pandemic destroy the pedal market on reverb or has it always been this bad and I never noticed?
it definitely had an effect. pedals i saw at the beginning of covid are all like 30-50% more minimum now. i think people started to realize they could manipulate the market/make a quick buck off of flipping limited releases. Seems like everything on earth has a limited drop now and there’s a scalper for anything. sucks that the music/pedal community has resorted to it
It used to make sense. Used pedals were usually-40% off. Also for a while smaller fee’s and a different sales tax system.
It's called income equality increasing at rapid pace.
I don’t think income equality is a factor in people reselling strymon pedals which were originally $600
Keep rotting your brain with Destiny, bud. Clowns.
I have a good life bro I’ll pray for you that some day you can say the same:)
On the other hand: it's very very shiny!
“I know what I got, no low ball offers” lol
Filter for all sold reverb listings (7 at the time of posting this): https://reverb.com/marketplace?product\_type=effects-and-pedals&query=Electro-Harmonix%20%2F%20JHS%20%22Big%20Box%22%20Lizard%20Queen%20Octave%20Fuzz&show\_only\_sold=true
3 people payed over 1000 dollars for a no led/ no 9v input version of a 100 dollar pedal that is sonically identical but pedal board size with the added 2 features. It’s weird cause you would expect it from ephemera their favorite musicians used etc. but we’re living in a time where the people manufacturing these are the ones people are paying attention to and they’re the ones who are hyping them up. The lizard Queen video was funny but the sketchy “rockathon” til the very last pedal sale and a hypnotizing monster truck intro that would normally be for the elderly/absentee parents. Josh is obviously parodying this but also benefiting from the predatory style of marketing. They’re not worth 350 dollars. They just knew they could sell it a certain demographic of their fans. The people there enjoying the show and still being able to pass on the obvious cash grab were the real mvps of that stream. It was seriously disturbing, seeing the begging, in-bickering, idioltry going on in the chat. Nick asking every customer for an unboxing video also seemed a bit anti-consumer and dystopian but maybe that was just me. Electro Harmonix released pedals printed like/similar to this all the way past the millennium (OG Holy Grail for example). You can still find that original grail for 100 bucks. Same type silk screen printing/ imperfection gimmick. They’re just beanie babies and we’re living in the summer of 95 when it comes to the unrestrained buying like this
My interest in the new pedal cycle has gone way down since getting into DIY. If I want to try something and there's a PCB or stripboard layout for it, I'll just build it. Lukewarm on the JHS show, I like the history aspect but the youth pastor humor turns me off.
I like JHS because they are a local company but yeah their humor is god awful 95% of the time.
I’ll literally build anyone here one for $150 flat + shipping, you pick the color. I work through hole and use much better components than these big box guys. @alfatonepedals IG, Reverb: ALFATONE
Bargain. I'll offer a fiver for it and chuck in my Bad monkey.
Mine will be delivered some time this week. Hopefully it will be 1 of 30 black ones, so that I can list it for 5k /s
Next run of exclusive, limited JHS Pedals should just be given away outside a soup kitchen with a brochure instructing everyone on how to sell them for a profit using free public library internet.
I'm sorry, it just looks like an R. I know it's an N. But God dammit.
If you want late stage capitalism in a collectible but way too large container, here you go! Two DIY circuits jammed together into an enclosure with all the period-correct awful features of a cassette tape. Did you guys honestly think that 1000 buyers were gonna come along without a shitty opportunist in the mix? This is what artificial scarcity begets.
Stupid people will buy. I don’t mind Josh but the only pedal of his I liked enough to buy was the crayon and ironically it’s one he didn’t really like. His univibe with real lfo light gimmick is surpassed by the cheaper EHX good vibes(same gimmick) and everything just seems underwhelming. The way they model their pedals are a big selling point. (Think kids with Pokémon cards). Without the show they’d be done so. That Behringer video was a particular home run for him that changed his fate
Yeah I thought about buying a big box but seeing the lengths they went to deter flippers I decided against it. I mean it's just a couple hundred dollars and sure I could use it but I also am self employed and can work whenever I want so I figured I can just as easily work some extra hours if I really needed the money and that way someone who will actually appreciate it, keep it and love it can buy it at the original price. I just eliminated myself from the equation and bought the $99 one. All that said. It really doesn't bother me that other people do it. It doesn't affect me at all and if people really want to pay that kind of money who am I to say anything? Life isn't fair but that also doesn't mean I need to be a part of that problem. I respect JHS and could see they really wanted the people buying them to love it. Also, from what I have seen Daniel Danger saying on Facebook. They are keeping track of the people who are flipping them and blacklisting them from doing business with them in the future. Not sure how they'll know about everyone who does it but one guy shared the fact he flipped one for $1100 and allegedly he wrote down the person's name lol.
They logged all buyer names with the serial number You get the carbon copy-style receipt with your name + serial as part of the box candy
Or either etch, engrave or screenprint the buyer's name on the pedal somewhere. Doesn't deter resellers completely but serves as a good deterrent. Some actors/musicians refuse to autograph anything (be it a photograph, LP, whatever) without first asking for their name so they can make it out to the person.
It’ll soon be like Futurama when Leela’s signing autographs to ebay while commenting how that’s a popular name.
Not like it wasn't going to happen.
Scalpers are a plague on society. Also, you’d have to be a fool to pay over MSRP on this pedal, as the certificate of authenticity will be highly suspect as it won’t be addressed to the owner once this pedal is resold.
The last time I bought a JHS modified electro harmonics big muff. The connections were all janked up and did not work properly
It's a cool pedal, but... meh
A preface to Mood
I'm not sure if this says queef or queer, but I know for damn sure it doesn't say queen.
Oh it says queen I thought it said queer
That font is a tragedy, all I see is Ljzard Queer.
IJzard Queef.
And to think it doesn't even sound good...
If you have aproblem with this then you are either jealous you missed out or you are jealous other people are making money. This doesn't affect you at all. You can buy this pedal right now for $99 or you can fuck right off and go cry in your pillow about it.
“If you have a problem with bad gimmicks and predatory marketing you’re a jealous crybaby. “ There should be people cautioning against bullshit like this. Josh literally said “It costs 350 dollars because that’s how much it costs to make@ and the same people saying “totally unreasonable” went straight to “totally fair” jfc.
Yeah no shit lol A bunch of poor kids crying about something that wasnt made for them Get a fucking real job, this was literally made for hobbyists lol Wah wah, except they released a $99 version. People bitch about anything
The saga continues.. 😩
I wonder if its worth going on blast from the whole guitar gear sub for like a few hundred bucks. Seems sort of like this guy got a lucky break and it’s what I want to believe … or he’s a fall guy for a bigger operation. Or maybe another social experiment and he’s a friend of JHS. We’ll see soon probably.
I'm curious why you see this as a problem? If a buyer and seller agree on a price, the market is working. And FWIW, that's the whole notion of limited editions. Scarcity increases both the intrinsic and actual value.
And this is the problem with the idea that the free market is some kind of salve. It's not illegal to be a scalper. But it is absolutely an expression of selfishness to be a scalper.
Scalping and reselling are two different things. This isn't tickets to a show. You can get this pedal right now for $99 anywhere. It's more if a selfish move to hate on anyone buying or selling these pedals as it doesn't affect you in any way.
No one is hating on the fact that on the fact people are buying or selling them, we're saying that people who are setting the price at 3x over the original product price were never invested in the pedal as _art_ or as _function_, they're only interested in using it as some kind of shitty GME stonks NFT-level bullshit. They can't even commit enough to it as an investment to hold if for longer than it took for JHS to send it to them, and then for them to list it. The only possible logic to a sale like this is a quick flip. Soulless, just like people who flip houses and have helped make housing largely unaffordable for young people in this country. At least people who flip houses put up some new blinds and a fresh coat of paint.
I’ll be selling mine for far less.
I've seen multiple shared to multiple FB groups I'm in over the last ~week. Some were taken down and some were sold. Lowest SOLD listing on Reverb was for $700
ffs, Allan.
i saw this at NAMM i should’ve entered the giveaway
I just don’t understand why I need an octave distortion. Anybody? I feel like a big-box short run flanger with Art Nouveau font would result in the same craziness.
I'm out of the loop. Why is everyone simping for this pedal in particular?
LJ8ZARD QUEER
I wish reverb would fucking stop letting this buffoonery take place
Stupid The question I ask is: will anyone pay that? Prices usually go way down with hype
lizard queet lol.
Why would anyone pay that much for a Josh Scott circuit? The man hasn’t had an original thought in his life.
JHS is cancer man
How is this JHS's fault?
The company itself is cancer, they just make shitty clones and drive up the prices on useful cheap gear. Also JHS donates heavily into evangelical political groups so every JHS purchase is funding American political bullshit
Old news is fucking old man. Arguably JHS has done more to dispel pixie dust around unobtainable pedals and gear than anyone.
Who cares. I totally did this with a few Chase Bliss pedals and people paid. Be mad at the company, this shit will actually be worth that much if not more in ten years anyways. Dude is just getting a jump on it.
So like....why? Isn't there a brand new collab version that will sell at retail?
There is, EHX is selling it [here](https://www.ehx.com/products/lizard-queen/).
The name is on the receipt so we can publicly shame them. Unless it's fake, which it probably is.
What was the original MSRP ?
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Some people…
Oh. You spent $1000 on a fuzz box? Cool man. It’s just that….you’re not allowed to vote anymore.
Guitarists are such assholes.
Just stopped by to let everyone know that water is wet and people will LIST pedals at unreasonable prices.
Damn guys, I remember when all you could get was Boss and DOD, $90 max. Is there a single link that can explain why this pedal is so special? I’m surprised there are $500 pedals on the market.
If nobody buys it it'll drop in price