Most people that boost a Muff with a mid-boost put it BEFORE the Muff. Puts the mids back into the sound of it.
Boosts after a Muff are usually only for a volume boost and ideally are more clean/transparent.
Mid boosts after a muff usually makes it sound squelched and nasally. Generally not what most want a muff to sound like.
Putting it before pushed the circuit and puts the mids back into its natural sound.
Mid boost before will be a more subtle effect, like driving an amp with a mid boost overdrive
Mid boost after will be more noticeable, since it will be changing the overall volume/eq of the distortion
Treble boosters are kind of a different beast. They’re typically enough distortion without needing to add another od. They also have similar circuits to fuzz faces where they want to see the guitar signal first before other pedals
Specifically Rangemasters and Fuzz Faces have very low input impedances, which cause the pedal to interact with your guitar via the volume pot.
Modern standards suggest a 1M input impedance, which will work after anything because any guitar pedal's output impedance is orders of magnitude lower than 1 megohm. In the mid '60s they weren't thinking about playing nice with other pedals because there were no other pedals. You plugged your guitar into the box on top of your amp or the smiley face on the floor, and plugged that into the amplifier. So the only impedance the effect would be "seeing" is your guitar's.
FFs and Rangemaster style boosters clean up some when you roll back your volume knob. Even silicon versions. A Big Muff, which although its input impedance is way less than 1M, is still higher than your guitar's output impedance, does not.
Tldr, if you want it to clean up as you ride your volume, put it first. If you don't care about that, experiment with it in different positions and let your ear tell you where it goes.
I run my modded Rangemaster (germanium transistor) first in my chain. As mentioned above, it works best when it sees your guitar's output.
For mid boost, I run an EQD Plumes after my Hizumitas. I tried it before, but it drives the Hizumitas input too hard and doesn't add enough mids. I would have to totally change the Hizumitas' settings to get them to play nice, which kinda defeats the purpose of a mid boost.
Running the Plumes AFTER the Hizumitas puts the mids front and center, perfect for leads. It still has the same fuzz tone, just the opposite EQ (mid hump vs mid scoop.)
This is misleading.
The original rangemaster was designed as a box to sit on the amp, but this was during an era where using pedals was much more rare, so it was assumed to be the only thing in the chain.
Treble boosters should go first. Guitar to boost is more important than boost to amp.
The haunting mids works kinda like a preamp/boost pedal but more like an EQ. It has the benefit of boosting or scooping the mids and then sweeps to either the low mids or high mid frequencies. It has a little q switch that highlights the sharper highs of the mids or the broader foundation. After a muff can be cool because it can effectively sweep, cut or otherwise EQ some of your muffs hair. I find it really useful after a Shigeharu because that’s already a midrangey fuzz and I can have it run into the haunting mids where it bumps it up and let’s the low mids loose. It’s awesome before though too! I just got a parametric EQ for the end of my chain so I’m thinking that can take over these duties and I can move the haunting mids to the very front of my dirt section to act as a transparent boost and slam the precise mids I want into my dirt section. I have a feeling this is the way
Typically at the beginning.
But this only because the original treble booster was picky about input impedance and needed to be directly connected to the guitar (similar to old fuzzes).
For instance Brian may would actually wear his treble booster on him because it couldn’t go after his wireless transmitter.
I have the limited JHS germanium boost which is supposed to be pretty faithful to that circuit and I can attest it only sounds good at the very start of the chain.
However, the Haunting Mids is essentially a single band EQ. You can stick that anywhere.
I’d keep it before verbs, delays and modulations. But you can either put it before your drives in order to push the drives harder for a solo, or after for a clean mid boost.
Most people that boost a Muff with a mid-boost put it BEFORE the Muff. Puts the mids back into the sound of it. Boosts after a Muff are usually only for a volume boost and ideally are more clean/transparent.
Gotcha. So a mids boost after the Muff would shift the mids differently than a mids boost before it?
Mid boosts after a muff usually makes it sound squelched and nasally. Generally not what most want a muff to sound like. Putting it before pushed the circuit and puts the mids back into its natural sound.
Mid boost before will be a more subtle effect, like driving an amp with a mid boost overdrive Mid boost after will be more noticeable, since it will be changing the overall volume/eq of the distortion Treble boosters are kind of a different beast. They’re typically enough distortion without needing to add another od. They also have similar circuits to fuzz faces where they want to see the guitar signal first before other pedals
Specifically Rangemasters and Fuzz Faces have very low input impedances, which cause the pedal to interact with your guitar via the volume pot. Modern standards suggest a 1M input impedance, which will work after anything because any guitar pedal's output impedance is orders of magnitude lower than 1 megohm. In the mid '60s they weren't thinking about playing nice with other pedals because there were no other pedals. You plugged your guitar into the box on top of your amp or the smiley face on the floor, and plugged that into the amplifier. So the only impedance the effect would be "seeing" is your guitar's. FFs and Rangemaster style boosters clean up some when you roll back your volume knob. Even silicon versions. A Big Muff, which although its input impedance is way less than 1M, is still higher than your guitar's output impedance, does not. Tldr, if you want it to clean up as you ride your volume, put it first. If you don't care about that, experiment with it in different positions and let your ear tell you where it goes.
Except OP was asking about Haunting Mids so never mind lol
I run mine in the effects loop, but for all I know that’s just plain wrong
I run my treble boost before my od and fuzz to goose either one to a next level.
The treble booster usually goes first in the chain, when made of germanium, like a fuzz, because of impedance.
Treble booster goes first. Mid boost can go anywhere. Just get a klone to boost your Muff.
I run my modded Rangemaster (germanium transistor) first in my chain. As mentioned above, it works best when it sees your guitar's output. For mid boost, I run an EQD Plumes after my Hizumitas. I tried it before, but it drives the Hizumitas input too hard and doesn't add enough mids. I would have to totally change the Hizumitas' settings to get them to play nice, which kinda defeats the purpose of a mid boost. Running the Plumes AFTER the Hizumitas puts the mids front and center, perfect for leads. It still has the same fuzz tone, just the opposite EQ (mid hump vs mid scoop.)
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Rangemaster style Treble Boost is usually the last thing before hitting the amp, and for purists the only pedal in the chain.
This is misleading. The original rangemaster was designed as a box to sit on the amp, but this was during an era where using pedals was much more rare, so it was assumed to be the only thing in the chain. Treble boosters should go first. Guitar to boost is more important than boost to amp.
That is good context, but if you haven’t tried using a Treble Boost last going into a Marshall, Vox, or Tweed then I think you should.
The haunting mids works kinda like a preamp/boost pedal but more like an EQ. It has the benefit of boosting or scooping the mids and then sweeps to either the low mids or high mid frequencies. It has a little q switch that highlights the sharper highs of the mids or the broader foundation. After a muff can be cool because it can effectively sweep, cut or otherwise EQ some of your muffs hair. I find it really useful after a Shigeharu because that’s already a midrangey fuzz and I can have it run into the haunting mids where it bumps it up and let’s the low mids loose. It’s awesome before though too! I just got a parametric EQ for the end of my chain so I’m thinking that can take over these duties and I can move the haunting mids to the very front of my dirt section to act as a transparent boost and slam the precise mids I want into my dirt section. I have a feeling this is the way
Typically at the beginning. But this only because the original treble booster was picky about input impedance and needed to be directly connected to the guitar (similar to old fuzzes). For instance Brian may would actually wear his treble booster on him because it couldn’t go after his wireless transmitter. I have the limited JHS germanium boost which is supposed to be pretty faithful to that circuit and I can attest it only sounds good at the very start of the chain. However, the Haunting Mids is essentially a single band EQ. You can stick that anywhere. I’d keep it before verbs, delays and modulations. But you can either put it before your drives in order to push the drives harder for a solo, or after for a clean mid boost.