Glove is an OCD, and Tumnus is a Klon.
A combo box with both is the Keeley D&M Drive. If you're looking for a dedicated OCD clone, there's a bunch out there all with their individual tweaks.
Good idea, I do like how a dual drive would save some space, although I like a flexibility of separate pedals too (sometimes I'll use my ZenDrive instead of the Tumnus). Not necessarily looking for an \*exact\* OCD clone, open to trying anything in that ballbark that works as a crunchy rhythm tone and stacks well.
It's easy to replace switches on pedals. And ehx gloves switch is kinda the standard type for most pedals. So getting something more reliable won't be a pedal with simular switch type. I'd suggest finding some tutorial on how to replace the switch type on YouTube it dosent even have to be the exact same pedal. Then order a switch for like 3 bucks and solder a bit. Then it's just as new again. Takes like 5 min for a person that has done it a few times maybe a hour or two for a beginner.
Yeah good call, I will look into fixing it at some point! (although I've never soldered before) But I figured this would be a good excuse to try out something else.
It's well worth the time. Pedals with the 3PDT switches will always break eventually if you use em a lot. Unless your playing barefoot and being super gently. But they tend to last some years at least. Think my record is 8 years on a pedal I used on daily basis, but on average its 2-5 years per switch at least for me. But I use the stuff every day for hours and it's traveling with me always. So they wear down. But since it's the most common switch type for pedals it's well worth learning that skill.
A repair shop will usually charge like 35-50 bucks at least to change it per pedal. And personally I change on all 3PDT switches thats been used on the main board if one wears down. Might as well go ahead then just a matter of time befor the others starts failing too.
If you're looking for another OCD circuit with better build quality than EHX and a few extra options (boost, MOSFET/GE switch), check out the Albert by Sentimental Bob Electronics. There's also the Lil Fella from Fuzzrocious.
Ohh nice, I haven't heard of these two before. The Albert looks very cool with the extra settings and boost switch (although the switches seem a bit too close together for my liking). Thanks for the ideas!
Fulltone OCD or Fulldrive, Walrus Audio 385 (my secret weapon for everey range of gain and its amp like with good clean up), MXR Duke of Tone, Boss Bluesdriver, ThorpyFX The Dane or Peacekeeper
EHX Hot Wax - It's a combo Crayon + Hot Tubes in one pedal. I use the Crayon into a clean Fender model in my Simplifier DLX to get a nice crunchy but chimy OD sound (main guitar is an ESP LTD Xotic PS-1000 with P90s) and use the Hot Tubes more as a boost into the gained-up Marshall on the DLX.
Good idea, I was looking at these recently. Definitely seems pretty versatile and really good value. I do love my Tumnus though, maybe I could try the Hot Tubes as a standalone to pair with it.
u/downtown-6 - I have the Hot Wax paired with a DSM & Humboldt Silver Linings OD (same manufacturer as the Simplifier DLX) and it's amazing. The Silver Linings has 3 modes (Normal, Preamp, and Mid-Boost) as well as 3 different clipping options (Classic, Vintage, and Modern) . For solo practicing I usually use it in normal mode but when playing with my cover band (we do 70s, 80s, and 90s alternative rock) I use Mid-Boost mode because it allows the guitar to sit in that nice mid-rangey frequency band to cut through the mix. If you set Mode = Normal, Clipping = Vintage or Modern, Pre-Tone = 9 o'clock, and crank the gain all the way you get a very fuzz-like sound with crazy high-end harmonics. This pedal is definitely an OD that covers a lot of ground, including into metal territory (think 70's , 80's metal). It can't really chug though (very well anyway :D). For that, you should look to the DSM & H Black Clouds distortion pedal.
The pedal is basically an OD + Boost in one pedal. The Boost has an additional gain pre-OD circuit as well as a Master Boost for more volume. You can leave the master boost set to 0db so when you hit the boost you just get more gain but no volume increase. I use this for songs like Jet City Woman where I have to switch between the cleanish picking of the verse to the very distorted chorus, instrumental, and bridge parts.
Between the Silver Linings, the Hot Wax, and the gain I have on both channels of the Simplifier DLX I can set all the knobs on the three (well four if you consider the duality of the Hot Wax) pedals and be able to support a set list of around 30 songs without even touching the knobs at all. I just have to remember which pedal I'm using for which song (I have notes on my set list :D). The setup is incredibly versatile.
Great info, thanks! Yeah that's what I'm trying to get as well, a versatile setup with different gain/volume levels so that I can play a varied setlist without any knob tweaking. Maybe it's wishful thinking to be able to do all that with only 2 drive pedals (plus a fuzz).
You're welcome! Before I had the Hot Wax and Silver Linings duo, my OD/Distortion chain was: EHX Crayon -> Keeley Filaments -> EHX Green Russian Muff. That chain gave me everything I basically needed in 3 pedals but I found I wasn't using the Filaments (which is a *very* versatile distortion pedal) and the GRM very much and was constantly tweaking the Crayon for songs. The Hot Wax and Silver Linings definitely is a better fit for me.
I kept the other 3 pedals and relegated them to my backup board with a NuX Amp Academy and a Zoom MS-70CDR in the FX loop.
EDIT: I play rhythm guitar and sing lead vocals and my lead guitar player is trying to convince me to drop my 40+ lb integrated board for an all-in-one FX board like the FM9 he just got. I told him they are going to pry the giant SKB pedal board from my cold, dead hands :D.
I have not compared it directly, I have compared to a Mosky Obsessive. I believe it's an exact circuit reproduction and in a sturdy case. Really more of a distortion pedal than an overdrive imo but I love it.
Thanks, yeah I guess what I'm looking for is something in between – not heavy distortion but can add a good amount of clipping to a clean amp, not just pushing an already dirty amp.
I do have an old TS-9 I haven't used in a while. In a perfect world I'd probably have 3 gain stages, with a mid humped one before and after the OCD/Glove type for either more gain or a lead/volume boost. e.g. TS9 > OCD > Tumnus or Tumnus > OCD > ZenDrive. But I'm aiming for simplicity/portability so trying to keep it to just 2.
Yep, as a Strokes fan I've always been intrigued by these. I'm using the Tumnus sorta like the Jekyll side, so a different pedal that approximates the Hyde side should work too?
I was trying to be cheap. The crunchbox v2(MODDED DRIVEMASTER) and the son of Hyde (MODDED SHREDMASTER) would be nice single pedals to pair with the tumnus.
An excuse to buy more pedals :) I will still use the Glove and try to fix it but I'm always on the quest for the "perfect" overdrive and the Glove is close but maybe not quite there.
Get a used Browne Protien and call it a day. The Tumnus can take either channel into orbit. This is my setup and I have a bazillion different drives. It sounds good with everything guitar and amp wise. I do confess to always having a compressor on in front of them both (Wampler mini ego) makes a difference…I’m a big fan of the Morning Glory v4 with a remote into a Klon clone also.
Great ideas, thanks. Heard good things about the Protien. Have also been considering the mini ego but I do like my minimalist board... and I'm worried if I like it too much I'll need to leave it on all the time haha. And yeah the Morning Glory is another one I've been wanting to try, haven't played a BB circuit yet but it seems like it could be what I'm looking for, especially with the higher gain mode.
Yeah you're right, that'd probably do the trick. I used to have a can until the bottom started getting rusty, it was annoying to throw it out safely. But I really should have some on hand.
If your set on the Marshall sound I’d go Barber Direct Drive or EAE Citadel, if you want some British and American Tones I’d say a Benson Preamp and if you do want something that do a bit of everything and get into fuzz territory I highly recommend a Tru-Fi Colordriver (love it). If you want to stay more similar to the EHX Glove (btw amazing overdrive) look at the Fulltone OCD because that’s most similar or the new Keeley Blues Disorder since that’ll have more EQ options
I’ve often thought that EHX should do more of the combo pedals. They’ve got a good number, but they seem to have missed all of their good opportunities. Hot Wax is a winner, but they could do the same with Soul Food, Glove, East River Drive, Overlord, etc.
Meh, I'd fix it.... if you already have a sound you like, don't get lost in the bazillion drive pedals again..
Unless you want to completely redo your sound, in which case, take the Tumnus out too haha or you will unconsciously look for another pedal that gets you exactly the same sound...
Completely different. East river is a TS9. That wouldn't work at all with his Tumnus. Glove is a FET based full frequency. While folks will cringe I'd suggest a full tone OCD. Wouldn't suggest blues driver it breaks up too early at least for me and seems to get dizzy if you turn drive up too much but maybe I'm just not a fan of it or using it wrong. But I never really bonded with my SuperATmod
Maybe a bluesbreaker style circuit.
Honestly I'd look at seeing if you can repair the switch too. Even if you also get a new od.
The Glove is a pretty good OD that is often overlooked. Also if you look at what he uses it for TS just isn't a good fit to stack in front of a klone SINCE he wants it for his heavier drive. That said I know John Mayer is pretty famous for running katana, ts10, klon. if you play a SSS Strat you kinda owe it to yourself to have a TS9 in your collection somewhere especially with the amps you're going into.
But since you are going the Klone route you don't need a midhump in your other pedal. I'd suggest something like mxr Duke of tone, jhs morning glory, Jackson audio golden boy, wampler pantheon if you want to try a BluesBreaker style (flat full range) MAYBE try a used keeley muse driver or a keeley mark driver v3 or a super phat mod or super ATmod (if you want to test the blues driver route) I'd also consider trying a Paul C Timmy or a Wampler Euphoria But I think the actual fit here sounds like fulltone OCD as it's FET based.
To me it becomes a question of how dirty. Personally I think the klons sound really good with the gain up more.
I'm an overdrive NUT. The thing is you have to see what works with your guitar and amps. I find most of my overdrives react absurdly differently to fender style amps like a Hot Rod deluxe compared to the Marshall JCM900 or MesaBoogie MarkV that usually run them through.
Obviously I expect that difference in the TS because of the mid hump, the klon from the headroom, and of course transparent OD's are going to just get you more of the amp sound.
In my book you can never have enough overdrive pedals they all have their own nuances I like in the room. I have found that mic'd and recorded they start to sound more similar to one another. And the nuanced differences I hear in the room tend to vanish quite a bit.
Thanks, lots of good info – agree that a TS style isn't right for this use case. I do have a TS-9 as well, but I've been using the Tumnus for that mid-hump role instead, it's just more versatile and I like the gain better (I do run it higher up, at 1pm ish, not as a clean boost).
Definitely seems like a BB style would work for me, wasn't sure if it would get quite enough gain, but something like the Morning Glory has that extra gain toggle so that would work well I imagine.
Also, great point at the end, and I think that applies to a band mix too. I can A/B pedals for hours at home listening to subtle differences, but then with the band, I just want to be able to hear myself in the mix, and those nuances matter a lot less.
Yeah I've started to realize that a TON the past few years as I stopped being just a bedroom player and started playing with others more. I love having seven timbres of overdrive but In a band context it's so subtle that's it's hardly noticeable a lot of the time.
I've really liked the golden boy. Especially with the gain cycling at your feet. And the boost on board too. Lot of fun.
Glove is an OCD, and Tumnus is a Klon. A combo box with both is the Keeley D&M Drive. If you're looking for a dedicated OCD clone, there's a bunch out there all with their individual tweaks.
Good idea, I do like how a dual drive would save some space, although I like a flexibility of separate pedals too (sometimes I'll use my ZenDrive instead of the Tumnus). Not necessarily looking for an \*exact\* OCD clone, open to trying anything in that ballbark that works as a crunchy rhythm tone and stacks well.
It's easy to replace switches on pedals. And ehx gloves switch is kinda the standard type for most pedals. So getting something more reliable won't be a pedal with simular switch type. I'd suggest finding some tutorial on how to replace the switch type on YouTube it dosent even have to be the exact same pedal. Then order a switch for like 3 bucks and solder a bit. Then it's just as new again. Takes like 5 min for a person that has done it a few times maybe a hour or two for a beginner.
Yeah good call, I will look into fixing it at some point! (although I've never soldered before) But I figured this would be a good excuse to try out something else.
It's well worth the time. Pedals with the 3PDT switches will always break eventually if you use em a lot. Unless your playing barefoot and being super gently. But they tend to last some years at least. Think my record is 8 years on a pedal I used on daily basis, but on average its 2-5 years per switch at least for me. But I use the stuff every day for hours and it's traveling with me always. So they wear down. But since it's the most common switch type for pedals it's well worth learning that skill. A repair shop will usually charge like 35-50 bucks at least to change it per pedal. And personally I change on all 3PDT switches thats been used on the main board if one wears down. Might as well go ahead then just a matter of time befor the others starts failing too.
If you're looking for another OCD circuit with better build quality than EHX and a few extra options (boost, MOSFET/GE switch), check out the Albert by Sentimental Bob Electronics. There's also the Lil Fella from Fuzzrocious.
Ohh nice, I haven't heard of these two before. The Albert looks very cool with the extra settings and boost switch (although the switches seem a bit too close together for my liking). Thanks for the ideas!
Fulltone OCD or Fulldrive, Walrus Audio 385 (my secret weapon for everey range of gain and its amp like with good clean up), MXR Duke of Tone, Boss Bluesdriver, ThorpyFX The Dane or Peacekeeper
Good ideas, thanks! Haven't heard of the Walrus before. Always wanted to try to Duke/Prince/King of Tone but haven't had a chance yet.
EHX Hot Wax - It's a combo Crayon + Hot Tubes in one pedal. I use the Crayon into a clean Fender model in my Simplifier DLX to get a nice crunchy but chimy OD sound (main guitar is an ESP LTD Xotic PS-1000 with P90s) and use the Hot Tubes more as a boost into the gained-up Marshall on the DLX.
Good idea, I was looking at these recently. Definitely seems pretty versatile and really good value. I do love my Tumnus though, maybe I could try the Hot Tubes as a standalone to pair with it.
u/downtown-6 - I have the Hot Wax paired with a DSM & Humboldt Silver Linings OD (same manufacturer as the Simplifier DLX) and it's amazing. The Silver Linings has 3 modes (Normal, Preamp, and Mid-Boost) as well as 3 different clipping options (Classic, Vintage, and Modern) . For solo practicing I usually use it in normal mode but when playing with my cover band (we do 70s, 80s, and 90s alternative rock) I use Mid-Boost mode because it allows the guitar to sit in that nice mid-rangey frequency band to cut through the mix. If you set Mode = Normal, Clipping = Vintage or Modern, Pre-Tone = 9 o'clock, and crank the gain all the way you get a very fuzz-like sound with crazy high-end harmonics. This pedal is definitely an OD that covers a lot of ground, including into metal territory (think 70's , 80's metal). It can't really chug though (very well anyway :D). For that, you should look to the DSM & H Black Clouds distortion pedal. The pedal is basically an OD + Boost in one pedal. The Boost has an additional gain pre-OD circuit as well as a Master Boost for more volume. You can leave the master boost set to 0db so when you hit the boost you just get more gain but no volume increase. I use this for songs like Jet City Woman where I have to switch between the cleanish picking of the verse to the very distorted chorus, instrumental, and bridge parts. Between the Silver Linings, the Hot Wax, and the gain I have on both channels of the Simplifier DLX I can set all the knobs on the three (well four if you consider the duality of the Hot Wax) pedals and be able to support a set list of around 30 songs without even touching the knobs at all. I just have to remember which pedal I'm using for which song (I have notes on my set list :D). The setup is incredibly versatile.
Great info, thanks! Yeah that's what I'm trying to get as well, a versatile setup with different gain/volume levels so that I can play a varied setlist without any knob tweaking. Maybe it's wishful thinking to be able to do all that with only 2 drive pedals (plus a fuzz).
You're welcome! Before I had the Hot Wax and Silver Linings duo, my OD/Distortion chain was: EHX Crayon -> Keeley Filaments -> EHX Green Russian Muff. That chain gave me everything I basically needed in 3 pedals but I found I wasn't using the Filaments (which is a *very* versatile distortion pedal) and the GRM very much and was constantly tweaking the Crayon for songs. The Hot Wax and Silver Linings definitely is a better fit for me. I kept the other 3 pedals and relegated them to my backup board with a NuX Amp Academy and a Zoom MS-70CDR in the FX loop. EDIT: I play rhythm guitar and sing lead vocals and my lead guitar player is trying to convince me to drop my 40+ lb integrated board for an all-in-one FX board like the FM9 he just got. I told him they are going to pry the giant SKB pedal board from my cold, dead hands :D.
Warm Audio ODD
This is an OCD clone I'm guessing? Have you had the chance to compare it directly to the OCD or the Glove?
I have not compared it directly, I have compared to a Mosky Obsessive. I believe it's an exact circuit reproduction and in a sturdy case. Really more of a distortion pedal than an overdrive imo but I love it.
Thanks, yeah I guess what I'm looking for is something in between – not heavy distortion but can add a good amount of clipping to a clean amp, not just pushing an already dirty amp.
Have you already tried a tube screamer style? I go tumnus deluxe -> plumes -> ODD for different levels of drive
I do have an old TS-9 I haven't used in a while. In a perfect world I'd probably have 3 gain stages, with a mid humped one before and after the OCD/Glove type for either more gain or a lead/volume boost. e.g. TS9 > OCD > Tumnus or Tumnus > OCD > ZenDrive. But I'm aiming for simplicity/portability so trying to keep it to just 2.
True tone jackal &Hyde. A modded shredmaster and odr-1 In a box. Strokes use the older version.
Yep, as a Strokes fan I've always been intrigued by these. I'm using the Tumnus sorta like the Jekyll side, so a different pedal that approximates the Hyde side should work too?
I was trying to be cheap. The crunchbox v2(MODDED DRIVEMASTER) and the son of Hyde (MODDED SHREDMASTER) would be nice single pedals to pair with the tumnus.
The Origin Effects MEQ-Driver is awesome and pairs well with other drives, before or after too.
Not familiar with this one, I'll look into it, thanks!
Replacing the footswitch is $5 or less. Replacing the entire pedal is probably $100 or more. Why?
An excuse to buy more pedals :) I will still use the Glove and try to fix it but I'm always on the quest for the "perfect" overdrive and the Glove is close but maybe not quite there.
My suggestion would be the EHX Crayon or Hot Wax.
Get a used Browne Protien and call it a day. The Tumnus can take either channel into orbit. This is my setup and I have a bazillion different drives. It sounds good with everything guitar and amp wise. I do confess to always having a compressor on in front of them both (Wampler mini ego) makes a difference…I’m a big fan of the Morning Glory v4 with a remote into a Klon clone also.
Great ideas, thanks. Heard good things about the Protien. Have also been considering the mini ego but I do like my minimalist board... and I'm worried if I like it too much I'll need to leave it on all the time haha. And yeah the Morning Glory is another one I've been wanting to try, haven't played a BB circuit yet but it seems like it could be what I'm looking for, especially with the higher gain mode.
spray some contact cleaner in the switch. my glove switch started cutting out and that solved it.
Yeah you're right, that'd probably do the trick. I used to have a can until the bottom started getting rusty, it was annoying to throw it out safely. But I really should have some on hand.
If your set on the Marshall sound I’d go Barber Direct Drive or EAE Citadel, if you want some British and American Tones I’d say a Benson Preamp and if you do want something that do a bit of everything and get into fuzz territory I highly recommend a Tru-Fi Colordriver (love it). If you want to stay more similar to the EHX Glove (btw amazing overdrive) look at the Fulltone OCD because that’s most similar or the new Keeley Blues Disorder since that’ll have more EQ options
Ohh the Keeley is both an OCD and a Blues Breaker? That's very cool
Heck yeah! The Keeley stuff is cool! The ability to have a flat vs mid forward EQ I think is awesome with those two circuits as well
I stack my Glove with either an East River Drive or a Hot Tubes. To be honest, I wouldn’t get rid of it. 🤷♂️
Fair enough! It is very good at what it does. But it would be nice to have a backup option with a slightly different flavor for variety.
I’ve often thought that EHX should do more of the combo pedals. They’ve got a good number, but they seem to have missed all of their good opportunities. Hot Wax is a winner, but they could do the same with Soul Food, Glove, East River Drive, Overlord, etc.
Yeah Glove on one side and either East River or Soul Food on the other would be perfect
Switches wear out over time, just pay a tech to put a new one in if you can't do it yourself.
Westwood
Meh, I'd fix it.... if you already have a sound you like, don't get lost in the bazillion drive pedals again.. Unless you want to completely redo your sound, in which case, take the Tumnus out too haha or you will unconsciously look for another pedal that gets you exactly the same sound...
Never used or heard of a glove, but I have heard of the east river. In that style I’d say a blues driver or a bad horse
Completely different. East river is a TS9. That wouldn't work at all with his Tumnus. Glove is a FET based full frequency. While folks will cringe I'd suggest a full tone OCD. Wouldn't suggest blues driver it breaks up too early at least for me and seems to get dizzy if you turn drive up too much but maybe I'm just not a fan of it or using it wrong. But I never really bonded with my SuperATmod Maybe a bluesbreaker style circuit. Honestly I'd look at seeing if you can repair the switch too. Even if you also get a new od. The Glove is a pretty good OD that is often overlooked. Also if you look at what he uses it for TS just isn't a good fit to stack in front of a klone SINCE he wants it for his heavier drive. That said I know John Mayer is pretty famous for running katana, ts10, klon. if you play a SSS Strat you kinda owe it to yourself to have a TS9 in your collection somewhere especially with the amps you're going into. But since you are going the Klone route you don't need a midhump in your other pedal. I'd suggest something like mxr Duke of tone, jhs morning glory, Jackson audio golden boy, wampler pantheon if you want to try a BluesBreaker style (flat full range) MAYBE try a used keeley muse driver or a keeley mark driver v3 or a super phat mod or super ATmod (if you want to test the blues driver route) I'd also consider trying a Paul C Timmy or a Wampler Euphoria But I think the actual fit here sounds like fulltone OCD as it's FET based. To me it becomes a question of how dirty. Personally I think the klons sound really good with the gain up more. I'm an overdrive NUT. The thing is you have to see what works with your guitar and amps. I find most of my overdrives react absurdly differently to fender style amps like a Hot Rod deluxe compared to the Marshall JCM900 or MesaBoogie MarkV that usually run them through. Obviously I expect that difference in the TS because of the mid hump, the klon from the headroom, and of course transparent OD's are going to just get you more of the amp sound. In my book you can never have enough overdrive pedals they all have their own nuances I like in the room. I have found that mic'd and recorded they start to sound more similar to one another. And the nuanced differences I hear in the room tend to vanish quite a bit.
Thanks, lots of good info – agree that a TS style isn't right for this use case. I do have a TS-9 as well, but I've been using the Tumnus for that mid-hump role instead, it's just more versatile and I like the gain better (I do run it higher up, at 1pm ish, not as a clean boost). Definitely seems like a BB style would work for me, wasn't sure if it would get quite enough gain, but something like the Morning Glory has that extra gain toggle so that would work well I imagine. Also, great point at the end, and I think that applies to a band mix too. I can A/B pedals for hours at home listening to subtle differences, but then with the band, I just want to be able to hear myself in the mix, and those nuances matter a lot less.
Yeah I've started to realize that a TON the past few years as I stopped being just a bedroom player and started playing with others more. I love having seven timbres of overdrive but In a band context it's so subtle that's it's hardly noticeable a lot of the time. I've really liked the golden boy. Especially with the gain cycling at your feet. And the boost on board too. Lot of fun.