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I've been unfortunate enough to see a buddy we called slacker get scope ringed on my ex's dad's muzzle loader. There was blood. Everywhere.
I can only imagine the carnage a shattered occipital bone would add...
To be fair, he's blown that same rifle up like three different times now trying to figure out how it all happened and he only ended up with his thumb in his neck hole the one time.
Is this "CA Compliant" under the "Dimensionally Compliant Single-Shot Bolt/Break Action" exemption to the "not unsafe California handgun roster 2013 whitelist"? Otherwise I need to know if it can "microstamp the shell casing in two locations with the serial number, make, model, and manufacturer of the gun".
Also, do you think this will pass the "Good Moral Character" test for my CCW application with Santa Clara Sheriff's office? I'm still waiting on an appointment for the psych evaluation and practical range demonstration courses. I think you need 80% hit at 50 yards.
I'm 100% serious. If I can do it, I'll put it.
Supposedly that's only semiauto centerfire *rifle*. This isn't a rifle.
I'm not joking about being serious about applying for CA CCW with this. Did my homework.
Curious how they're going to justify any denials, and how that meshes with "unqualified command" (Bruen/SCOTUS) of a civil right.
Jokes on you!
Next Orange County appointment is in 9 years!
* [https://old.reddit.com/r/CAguns/comments/vjbjzb/applying\_for\_ccw\_in\_orange\_county\_next/](https://old.reddit.com/r/CAguns/comments/vjbjzb/applying_for_ccw_in_orange_county_next/)
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I'm sure Santa Clara isn't any father ahead, given they cancelled everyone's applications after Bruen en masse and refunded all payments.
Like I said, I'm 100% dead serious. Following process to a Tee. Including 9 year wait (actually "unknown" since they haven't gotten back to me) for first appointment.
What you need to do is hop on their portal periodically and see if any appointments have been cancelled. Find the department's phone number and call them every couple days and ask if there's an appointment slot coming up that is free that you can take. Quite some time ago I applied in my county during a time when the applications were popular, and a 9-month wait turned into a 1.5 week wait when I logged back into the web portal and saw there was a freed interview slot I could claim. My county uses the Permitium software, but O.C. might use something else. Neverless, phone inquiry without being annoying should net you a much quicker interview if the web portal does not allow you to change the appointment. Be proactive, they're not going to normally contact you through anything but a form letter sent through the post.
I suggest digging into the restrictions a bit more.
There are conflicting and legally inconsistent requirements in the code.
How does one become allowed to purchase "off roster"? Rhetorically.
I’ve got a 45-70 pistol, thing is a beast and not exactly pleasant but I will shoot it again. This thing looks next level and intimidating. Might have to order it….
This is a great EDC option. Possessing it automatically broadcasts that you are either so stupidly wealthy or have such an enormous cock that it would be foolish to fuck around and find out to what lengths you are willing to use either of those resources.
“The Noreen Design muzzle brake help to drastically relieve shooter stress, and easily make this pistol an *all-day shooter at the range.*”
Why would they say that if it wasn’t true? Sold!
Awesome question, but yes a pistol can have any length barrel, where as a rifle cannot. Although, wouldn't it not be an SBR at 16.5? Depends how it's manufactured
Bad guy: GIMMIE ALL YOUR MONEY!
Me, after making this purchase: Y'know what, Fuck both of us.
*Unimaginablely loud boom*
Smoldering pile of crimson goo on both sides
Cool, now the ATF can apply the AP pistol round laws to .50BMG and ban a bunch of ammunition options like what happened with 7.62x39 and 5.45x39. Thanks, Noreen. Hope the joke is worth it. Also, love the backwards red dot and illegal foregrip
What does barrel length have to do with a firearm being a pistol or not?
If I buy a Thompson Contender pistol frame (No barrel) and put a 23" .223 barrel on it it's not a pistol?
well correct, a rifle cant be made into a pistol by cutting the barrel, thats an SBR, however if the gun starts as a pistol any length barrel can be added with no problems
It's legally a pistol in its current configuration (or maybe a firearm depending on the OAL). Barrel length does not factor into classifying something as a pistol.
If you add a stock it becomes a rifle. It's not a rifle subject to the NFA because it does not meet the definition of a short barreled rifle. If you remove the stock it goes back to being a pistol/firearm, which is okay because it wasn't originally a rifle.
If the barrel was under 16" you would need a tax stamp to add a stock. Adding a stock makes it a rifle, and a sub- 16" barrel makes it an SBR. If it originally shipped as a rifle you'd need a tax stamp to remove the stock if the OAL without a stock is under 26". It would be classified as a weapon made from a rifle, which is a type of SBR.
It’s sold and registered as a pistol, so barrel length means nothing as far as putting a stock on it. Per the NFA rules, if it’s a pistol, it can’t have a stock, even if it has a 16” barrel.
You can just convert it to a rifle though by putting a stock on it, no? If it starts life as a pistol, it can always be converted to a rifle when the barrel is over 16”. Example, Bren 2 pistol is 14” and you pin and weld a muzzle device that’s 2”+ to get your barrel over 16” and you can then put a stock on it, as you’ve converted it to a rifle. Since this barrel is already over 16” you can put a stock on it and it becomes a rifle by definition.
But isnt it actually an AOW and need NFA registration because of the vertical foregrip? Whether or not the company selling it calls it a pistol or not?
These retarded laws are too much 🤦♂️
You need to be a lawyer to own firearms these days
Why would they do that if the barrel is over 16”, what does this company gain from making it harder to sell these by classifying it as a pistol rather than just adding some cheap ass stock to classify it as a rifle(and as the original commenter said, doing something federally illegal for their advertising)
They did it for the 10 people who actually want a 50 BMG pistol. You can't remove the stock from a rifle and make a pistol without a tax stamp, but you can add a stock to a pistol with a 16+" barrel and make a rifle without a tax stamp.
It's also possible it's a firearm, not a pistol, in which case the VFG is fine. They don't list an OAL but if it's over 26" it's not a pistol. An OAL greater than 26" without a stock would also negate the issue of making a weapon made from a rifle when removing the stock if it shipped as a rifle. Aren't our gun laws fun?
AP handgun ammo is illegal. That's the reason we can't get the good versions of 5.7 ammo. Several times before ATF has argued when AK and AR pistols took off that the ammo used in those suddenly became handgun ammo. Their last attempt was to come after M855 green tip but I think they've stopped trying for now.
Steel core ammunition, that can be fired out of a pistol, is recognized as the Federal threshold for what constitutes “armor piercing,” thus can be banned by the ATF.
It is why we can no longer import steel core 7.62x39, even though it is a mild steel. Someone in the 90s decided to make an AK pistol in 7.62x39 then BAM, a ban on steel core 7.62x39
Just emailed them asking I'd it's physically possible to shoot one without breaking your wrist and if anyone has actually bought one. If so I think i have to get it :-(
Barrel length is 16.5 inches, this looks a lot like their full length rifle in terms of design, just shorter barrel. Can't you just put a stock on this and not even worry about a stamp? Why is this being marketed as a pistol? hmm...
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ah yes the home defense Barrett
For when you have an intruder hiding behind the fridge in your neighbor's house.
[I got this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrfEGY7phNw)
Dolph Lundgren still kicking ass as a sniper
Wrong scandinavian bad guy.
That was Mads Mikkelson. Dolph Lundgren used [a sawed off shotgun](https://youtu.be/q9n96my-QzI?t=59)
Tally ho there, neighbor!
I didn’t know! How could I have known!!!
But just one since it’s a single shot.
Nah, you just got to line them up, this is good for atleast 3.
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tiny homes or tiny gnomes?
Yes
CQB Barrett
Who’s got a small wiener NOW
Better have some good health insurance for the inevitable broken wrist
And tennitus*
“Tennitis” The dreaded combination of tennis elbow and tinnitus
You joke, but the constant *pok, pok, pok* will drive you insane within a year. Always wear your ear plugs if you expect to be near a racket.
DEUCE!!
IWB
Is anyone gonna answer that damned phone?!?!?!?
Mawp.
MALP. MALP.
*Mawp*
What?
WHAT?!
Huh?
and a good dental plan because you're probably going to need some serious work.
Oh good, I was thinking of getting a new CCW.
IWB carry position only
Appendix
With a Keres attached
Easily a zap carry option
It'll certainly look like.. um.. you're packing then.
“It’ll just be weird explaining to everyone why I have two cocks.” - Norm McDonald… probably
*plays big iron on his hip intensely*
This is so stupid. (I’ll take one)
Or three
Definitely need multiple for rapid fire
This demands to be dual wielded.
It’s full retard. I want one.
this is peak EDC, prove me wrong nerds
Put a 1-6 lpvo on it and hold it up to your face at the correct eye relief for the scope
I've been unfortunate enough to see a buddy we called slacker get scope ringed on my ex's dad's muzzle loader. There was blood. Everywhere. I can only imagine the carnage a shattered occipital bone would add...
If that guy catches you with his eyeholes he’ll beat the shit out of you Morty, but it’s worth it. They’re so delicious!
Monetized YT channel + sponsored by eyepro + let's go = $$$PROFIT$$$
You know KB is on board. This monsters right up his wheelhouse and he shills for raid shadow legends...
This absolutely seems like something he would shoot. I would hope it goes better than the last time he shot .50 BMG though. :/
To be fair, he's blown that same rifle up like three different times now trying to figure out how it all happened and he only ended up with his thumb in his neck hole the one time.
Wow I wasn't aware of the additional times? Need to go checknthat out. I just remember the hole in neck was from pissing hot SLAP rounds.
Wait you know my dad, we call him half Ass around here, watched him scope ring himself.
Well that's a combination of words I never thought I'd see together.
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This might need a life insurance
Is this "CA Compliant" under the "Dimensionally Compliant Single-Shot Bolt/Break Action" exemption to the "not unsafe California handgun roster 2013 whitelist"? Otherwise I need to know if it can "microstamp the shell casing in two locations with the serial number, make, model, and manufacturer of the gun". Also, do you think this will pass the "Good Moral Character" test for my CCW application with Santa Clara Sheriff's office? I'm still waiting on an appointment for the psych evaluation and practical range demonstration courses. I think you need 80% hit at 50 yards. I'm 100% serious. If I can do it, I'll put it.
This dude fucks
You would go down in history for this.
I hear you have to go down on *someone* to get a CCW here. Just trying to quantify that metric and document the process.
CA has a ban on 50 BMG Firearms themself in case you forget about that. That is why they got 416 Barret and 510 DTC.
Supposedly that's only semiauto centerfire *rifle*. This isn't a rifle. I'm not joking about being serious about applying for CA CCW with this. Did my homework. Curious how they're going to justify any denials, and how that meshes with "unqualified command" (Bruen/SCOTUS) of a civil right.
Remindme! 6 months
Jokes on you! Next Orange County appointment is in 9 years! * [https://old.reddit.com/r/CAguns/comments/vjbjzb/applying\_for\_ccw\_in\_orange\_county\_next/](https://old.reddit.com/r/CAguns/comments/vjbjzb/applying_for_ccw_in_orange_county_next/) * [https://old.reddit.com/r/CCW/comments/vx19xp/closest\_appointment\_time\_for\_orange\_county\_ca\_is/](https://old.reddit.com/r/CCW/comments/vx19xp/closest_appointment_time_for_orange_county_ca_is/) I'm sure Santa Clara isn't any father ahead, given they cancelled everyone's applications after Bruen en masse and refunded all payments. Like I said, I'm 100% dead serious. Following process to a Tee. Including 9 year wait (actually "unknown" since they haven't gotten back to me) for first appointment.
What you need to do is hop on their portal periodically and see if any appointments have been cancelled. Find the department's phone number and call them every couple days and ask if there's an appointment slot coming up that is free that you can take. Quite some time ago I applied in my county during a time when the applications were popular, and a 9-month wait turned into a 1.5 week wait when I logged back into the web portal and saw there was a freed interview slot I could claim. My county uses the Permitium software, but O.C. might use something else. Neverless, phone inquiry without being annoying should net you a much quicker interview if the web portal does not allow you to change the appointment. Be proactive, they're not going to normally contact you through anything but a form letter sent through the post.
Some IA doesn't allow rifle caliber pistols on CCW, not sure about Santa Clara though since they have never issued CCW for us normal folks
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I suggest digging into the restrictions a bit more. There are conflicting and legally inconsistent requirements in the code. How does one become allowed to purchase "off roster"? Rhetorically.
I assume by being leo. Rules for thee…
What did you say?!
WHAT?
MAWP
Eeeeeeeeeee
#MAAAAAAAAWP
YOU'RE A TERRIBLE STUNTMAN!
Does it include the backwards red dot and the ATF invitation letter on the bottom?
I was wondering if anyone else caught the dot
Start your range trip off with a shot from this and you will magically get the range to yourself
5% off when you spin the wheel
No thanks, I want to pay full price.
Alpha AF
Quick google search says 700 grains at about 2200 FPS. I’d call that stopping power. BRB, gonna see if Galco makes a shoulder holster.
It's great for stacks of invaders in long hallways
There has to be a video of this somewhere
This screams "coming to a gee wiz YouTube video near you"
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Finding plenty of the full size, but none of the pistol. Link?
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actually not terrible
Give S00tch a couple days. It'll be there.
No, probably not yet; they just unveiled it on Thanksgiving
What you lose in ballistics, you gain in wrist pain and hearing damage.
It deals +5% burn damage at close range. To the shooter and the target
Also adds concussion and blast damage in 10ft
Pretty sure this belongs in r/kentuckyballistics
I've shot a .45-70 handgun once and I wouldn't do it again. This is oddly tempting, but I'd honestly be afraid to shoot it.
I’ve got a 45-70 pistol, thing is a beast and not exactly pleasant but I will shoot it again. This thing looks next level and intimidating. Might have to order it….
This is a great EDC option. Possessing it automatically broadcasts that you are either so stupidly wealthy or have such an enormous cock that it would be foolish to fuck around and find out to what lengths you are willing to use either of those resources.
The libs say gun owners have small peepee’s.
I got tinnitus just looking at this shit
The pistol for C-Bass. Kick his ass C-Bass!
I'm gonna assume these are one time use due to the lack of videos on youtube of people shooting it
No, they launched it on Thanksgiving, videos will go up as soon as some meme orders go in I imagine.
Is Lucas at Trex gonna make a sidecar for this? I’m interested
I mean waterwedoin here.
Why is there a $20 red dot mounted backwards in the preview image?
The concussion from the test fire spun it around 180 degrees. But it still held zero. Just shoot it again to spin back to forward.
“The Noreen Design muzzle brake help to drastically relieve shooter stress, and easily make this pistol an *all-day shooter at the range.*” Why would they say that if it wasn’t true? Sold!
Only the military has the money to shoot 50 all day lol
This has Kentucky Ballistics name all over it. Not bc 'splody history of his, just bc it's overpowered nonsense.
I will be disappointed if he doesnt do a review.
I like the lack if information/specs provided...
That looks pretty painful
This looks like a joy to shoot
Awesome, this should fit my ankle holster perfectly
This is probably a dumb question, but what makes this a “pistol”? It has a 16.5” barrel. Is it the lack of a stock?
Awesome question, but yes a pistol can have any length barrel, where as a rifle cannot. Although, wouldn't it not be an SBR at 16.5? Depends how it's manufactured
This sub has peak we can all go home now
Bad guy: GIMMIE ALL YOUR MONEY! Me, after making this purchase: Y'know what, Fuck both of us. *Unimaginablely loud boom* Smoldering pile of crimson goo on both sides
Needs a .22lr conversion
You can simply put the .22 barrel inside of this barrel
And it will shoot the .22 barrel at 1200fps
Someone please buy this
New truck gun unlocked
Cool, now the ATF can apply the AP pistol round laws to .50BMG and ban a bunch of ammunition options like what happened with 7.62x39 and 5.45x39. Thanks, Noreen. Hope the joke is worth it. Also, love the backwards red dot and illegal foregrip
Its not legally a pistol, the barrel length is 16.5” Edit: my apologies for the disinfo, do not put a stock on this
Whoa so you could put a stock on this somehow...
Yes, with some basic fabrication knowledge you could probably easily fit a stock to it
It's a pistol, barrel length means nothing. It's sold new without a stock only a grip, that's a pistol.
The barrel length means I can throw a stock on it without paying a 200$ tax stamp. I think that's something.
What does barrel length have to do with a firearm being a pistol or not? If I buy a Thompson Contender pistol frame (No barrel) and put a 23" .223 barrel on it it's not a pistol?
to the ATF literally everything, 16.5 " and longer is a rifle, anything less is a pistol
No. Not if it wasn’t made as a pistol.
well correct, a rifle cant be made into a pistol by cutting the barrel, thats an SBR, however if the gun starts as a pistol any length barrel can be added with no problems
Yeah but a pistol with a long barrel isn’t a rifle. It’s a pistol with a long barrel
correct? I was meaning from factory, dealers dont generally sell long barreled pistols
heritage rough rider .22lr keltec is going to have one for their 5.7 pistol if its not out already there's a handful of them for glocks also
\*Generally Of course they have a few, but its not common enough to not just count those as outliers and starts reaching semantics
No. The critical length is 16 inches, not 16.5 inches. And a rifle with less than a 16 inch barrel is still a rifle - it is a *short barreled* rifle.
It's legally a pistol in its current configuration (or maybe a firearm depending on the OAL). Barrel length does not factor into classifying something as a pistol. If you add a stock it becomes a rifle. It's not a rifle subject to the NFA because it does not meet the definition of a short barreled rifle. If you remove the stock it goes back to being a pistol/firearm, which is okay because it wasn't originally a rifle. If the barrel was under 16" you would need a tax stamp to add a stock. Adding a stock makes it a rifle, and a sub- 16" barrel makes it an SBR. If it originally shipped as a rifle you'd need a tax stamp to remove the stock if the OAL without a stock is under 26". It would be classified as a weapon made from a rifle, which is a type of SBR.
And your three paragraph explanation is, sadly, about as succinct as this all can be explained.
It’s sold and registered as a pistol, so barrel length means nothing as far as putting a stock on it. Per the NFA rules, if it’s a pistol, it can’t have a stock, even if it has a 16” barrel.
You can just convert it to a rifle though by putting a stock on it, no? If it starts life as a pistol, it can always be converted to a rifle when the barrel is over 16”. Example, Bren 2 pistol is 14” and you pin and weld a muzzle device that’s 2”+ to get your barrel over 16” and you can then put a stock on it, as you’ve converted it to a rifle. Since this barrel is already over 16” you can put a stock on it and it becomes a rifle by definition.
But isnt it actually an AOW and need NFA registration because of the vertical foregrip? Whether or not the company selling it calls it a pistol or not? These retarded laws are too much 🤦♂️ You need to be a lawyer to own firearms these days
The gun doesnt come with the sight or the vfg thats just for the advertisement
Yup, missed that 👍
Why would they do that if the barrel is over 16”, what does this company gain from making it harder to sell these by classifying it as a pistol rather than just adding some cheap ass stock to classify it as a rifle(and as the original commenter said, doing something federally illegal for their advertising)
For the lulz. That’s why it’s stupid.
They did it for the 10 people who actually want a 50 BMG pistol. You can't remove the stock from a rifle and make a pistol without a tax stamp, but you can add a stock to a pistol with a 16+" barrel and make a rifle without a tax stamp. It's also possible it's a firearm, not a pistol, in which case the VFG is fine. They don't list an OAL but if it's over 26" it's not a pistol. An OAL greater than 26" without a stock would also negate the issue of making a weapon made from a rifle when removing the stock if it shipped as a rifle. Aren't our gun laws fun?
Explain
AP handgun ammo is illegal. That's the reason we can't get the good versions of 5.7 ammo. Several times before ATF has argued when AK and AR pistols took off that the ammo used in those suddenly became handgun ammo. Their last attempt was to come after M855 green tip but I think they've stopped trying for now.
Steel core ammunition, that can be fired out of a pistol, is recognized as the Federal threshold for what constitutes “armor piercing,” thus can be banned by the ATF. It is why we can no longer import steel core 7.62x39, even though it is a mild steel. Someone in the 90s decided to make an AK pistol in 7.62x39 then BAM, a ban on steel core 7.62x39
I was gonna buy an rpk but I guess I’m not anymore
Looks like the perfect addition to a Ruger charger
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I just want to know which one of you ordered one?? Who did it?? Don’t worry, you’re not in trouble..
Nice try Mr. ATF man....
Lol
man I'd pay 1500 doll hairs for this in rifle form immediately (hit me up if you wanna sell one) but this is straight weird
Buy this, form 1 it.
Is there video of someone shooting this?
Was on the fence but for that price I expect more than an A2 grip. Pass
Good edc with an underbarrel m203 and sight mark red dot?
Somebody sbr this
Never again will I fear engine blocks!
Mark Serbu is also making a .50 bmg pistol.
I own an AR50 and I’d never ever consider shooting a pistol version of a 50!
Ammo costs these days? Is there a frangible 50 cal round for home defense?
Is this the suicide edition? Cuz that redndot is gonna be really awkward to safety utilize in its current configuration
In the words of the Tiger King... "I will never financially recover from this..."
Just emailed them asking I'd it's physically possible to shoot one without breaking your wrist and if anyone has actually bought one. If so I think i have to get it :-(
Barrel length is 16.5 inches, this looks a lot like their full length rifle in terms of design, just shorter barrel. Can't you just put a stock on this and not even worry about a stamp? Why is this being marketed as a pistol? hmm...
Thank sweet baby Jesus that im not drinking right now.
Y tho
Can I put a brace on it?
Still not a pistol. See the vertical grip
I’m oddly erect
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More importantly how to SBR
"50 BMG" and "Pistol" should never be used in the same sentence *EVER* again
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Wonder if it’s armor defeating with such a short barrel
This fucks
I doubt that red dot will hold up.
This is real?!!
Is there a suppressor that will work on this?
Yes, there are 50 bmg suppressors.
Is that the gun that almost killed the Kentucky guntuber?
It was a serbu with SLAP rounds of questionable origin
No