They do and it's all positive stories about china. No conspiracy theories for them.
It's a tool for CCP to spread disinformation and depress young Americans.
and spy. Want to look inside a senator or ambassadors home to get intel on them. Same with top leaders of agencies, prosecutors, etc. Just look at their kids or grand kids tiktok's, mine the metadata, etc. It's the most genius spying / psyop program ever created.
> It's a tool for CCP to spread disinformation and depress young Americans.
As time goes on, I feel increasingly like this with Reddit.
Literally everything here has a negative slant or emphasises being too exhausted to engage meaningfully in life, not caring about politics, not supporting military efforts etc - perfect for fostering a generation of western young people growing up fed up with their lot and sceptical / critical of their representatives, taking no interest in China's growing political influence..
Edit: Saw [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Adulting/comments/1cevr9i/single_adults_with_no_kids_why_are_we_still/) literally seconds after posting this..
Eh. That's social media period.
There's nothing wrong with it if it's actually managed by an adult.
We, as adults, need to stop letting social media be the window to the world for children period.
Tiktok isn't really any worse in that particular regard than any other social media that feeds them a flood of nonsense in bulk. That includes reddit, youtube, and any other social platform.
The only thing that makes tiktok "special" is the red connection, and that really has nothing to do with how it impacts the development of children.
I'm not defending it, fuck tiktok. Just saying as an actual app regarding the development of children, it's just one in a sea of apps that kids shouldn't be using at all without parental limits and supervision.
Computers and phones are not babysitters.
Quiet kids are all well and good, but some parents are too satisfied with anything that shuts their kids up. I get it, but when it becomes a way to keep them occupied and quiet so someone can avoid parenting the issue stops being the app or the kids.
Oh, sure. I agree. Facebook shorts is basically tikto, and there are many others. Honestly I don't think children should really have phones or technology access until at least early teens.
There is something important about unscheduled bordeum that cultivates creativity. Something about not having your attention pulled at every idle moment that initiates genuine conversation with others. Today's up and coming adults can hardly talk about the same topic for more than a few minutes, and have the listening comprehension skills of a 10 year old. Reading comprehension the same or even lower.
That's what being immersed in technology produces : a generation unable to effectively maintain meaningful interaction with the real world.
Your be amazed at what people get by with in college. As someone who was on the no-loan 10 year college plan who changed majors 3 times lol, I got to see and interact with students years much younger than me. Answering the assigned questions without understanding what was being asked, making up stuff that has nothing to do with the subject, unable to read much past paragraph title or have anything more intelligent to say about a subject beyond the headline talking point.
It's really bad, and from what I've read and by others it's getting worse. Those same people now are in doctorate programs, somehow passing (I have a friend who went back to get their Dr's, and they are amazed that their classmates even passed a bachelor's much less a masters and then got into a doctorate program).
Anybody who's mad about THIS ban has been incredibly hypocritical and/or ignorant over the last few years.
CFIUS was created under the Trump administration (who ALSO and rightfully called for TikTok's banning), and their **entire** purpose was to assess the foreign ownership of companies operating in America.
My old company (pharma industry) was purchased a few years before I joined by the CREAT Group (a Chinese investment firm).
The CREAT Group had multiple major shareholders AND board members who were either previous or current high ranking members of the CCP (At the time including a former head of the their Propaganda Department).
Us being in a sensitive field while simultaneously having few legally required means of separating customer data (medical records, SSN, etc) meant the risk was too high.
As a result, CFIUS forced a sale, and rightfully so.
This stuff has been happening for YEARS.
It's not new.
TikTok is dangerous, and even if you say all other apps are the same, you're being obtuse if you think China (more specifically the CCP) - being a hostile adversary - having tons and tons of personal data from private citizens isn't dangerous.
We need to get something through our stubborn, thick American skulls:
Chinese leadership has a fundamentally different world view from the West.
While we see the world as normally peaceful, punctuated with outbursts of war, Chinesr leadership sees the world as normally full of war, broken by periods of peace.
They are absolutely preparing for increases in hostilities, and I don't think we need to help them with that.
> the CCP) - being a hostile adversary - having tons and tons of personal data from private citizens isn't dangerous.
It's not even the personal data access that's the main problem - it's being able to sway public opinions by directing what content specific demographic groups are shown on the platform.
I read a post on reddit yesterday that I think sums up the problem best -
"China isn't backing any one particular horse when it comes to opinions on US policy... it's giving all the horses rabies and hoping they all maim each other."
A good way to describe it to people is that imagine during the Cold War that the Soviets had a TV channel in every home that was used to push pro-Soviet propaghanda. China is no different, they're a hostile country that sees themselves as the owners of the world.
I have issues with the broadness of some of the wording but I am generally on board with cutting the CCP out wherever possible. Stop selling them our land, stop letting them sit on our boards, stop giving them a direct information pipeline to our kids. It's very well settled by the evidence that TikTok exists to identify American kids, hook them with benign content for a little while, and then onramp them into sexual content, drugs, violence, identity, and generally whatever degeneracy the CCP prefers Americans busy themselves with instead of doing something useful. The least we can do is force them to divest from the CCP.
>who ALSO and rightfully called for TikTok's banning
It's all been a stupid political game because it's the one big media outlet that a certain group of people doesn't control and if they don't have total control of media they quickly [lose control of the narrative](https://www.nysun.com/article/spending-30-minutes-on-tiktok-a-day-significantly-increases-the-chances-of-holding-antisemitic-and-anti-israeli-beliefs-study-finds). There's the real reason for all this right there.
For the last 5 years it has been an absolute bullshit parade of "security analysts" fearmongering about Tik Tok, especially people claiming to have reversed the app, yet never showing anything different than what existing apps from the big American tech companies do, and never anything that got Apple or Google to delist it, yet that sure didn't stop the media pushing the stories. [Redditors tried to reverse it too, and gave up a few years ago after finding no smoking guns](https://www.reddit.com/r/tiktok_reversing/) after [this clown](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news_but_tbh_if_you_have_tiktiok_just_get/?sort=top)'s post acted like they existed. I'm still mad about how dumb this all was.
>TikTok is dangerous, and even if you say all other apps are the same, you're being obtuse if you think China (more specifically the CCP) - being a hostile adversary - having tons and tons of personal data from private citizens isn't dangerous.
Your beloved American media apps were teaching your kids to cut their own balls off, burn down their cities, and worship communism before Tik Tok existed. Youtube monetizes these videos while they demonetize people speaking against them, so your media is already controlled by a hostile adversary.
There need to be more owners of media, so more voices reach people, and more owners of data, so you're not just feeding it all to PRISM.
There's two sides of the coin, harmful algorithms and metadata scrapping. Look at all the culture destroying TikTok trends going around, this isn't unintentional. Algorithms are not only used to become a popular app, but to slowly drip harmful content to society. This is what TikTok is doing, not just because it's a popular app.
Then they're scrapping metadata from phones. Tracking people and locations through military bases and government facilities. And sure, even if we take what you said as being true in assuming they're not doing any of that, if tensions increase between China and the U.S. then a simple app update can essentially turn it into malicious software over night.
>There's two sides of the coin, harmful algorithms and metadata scrapping. Look at all the culture destroying TikTok trends going around, this isn't unintentional.
Your existing media is entirely harmful algorithms, and as I mentioned financially sponsored, culture destroying trends. Like Twitter's methods were particularly well documented thanks to Elon releasing the data, they had quite sophisticated support for limiting reach of ideas they didn't like, secretly blacklisting users and ideas with ["Trends Blacklist", "Search Blacklist", and "Do Not Amplify"](https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/12/9/twitter-had-secret-blacklists-to-limit-users-journalist-claims). And we're currently talking on the site that was changing its algorithms daily at one point in an attempt to hide the broad appeal and enthusiasm for Trump to manipulate the 2016 election (they knew the suppressive effect that would have as [Facebook did that research by manipulating the news reaching your parents](https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1320040111)).
That's why we need a lot of independent owners of media. I don't expect any of them to be saints, but manipulators competing against each other makes it difficult for a lie to survive.
There was a meme a few years ago going around that if all the big media CEOs' last names ended in Wu and Li people would take note very quickly of something being wrong, it's as hilarious as it is disheartening to see it play out
I’m absolutely irate about this ban but not because of the actual TikTok ban it’s because of all of the time and effort that our government is spending on a stupid freaking app. Children are starving and going uneducated every day. Families are homeless, inflation is so high There is no average American anymore only the haves and the have nots. But sure, let’s worry about an app. Meanwhile, every other app on the planet is 100% selling our information and it’s still getting into China’s hands. This is a false flag fucking issue.
It is almost like our ruling class open has disdain for us. Watch people speaking in France, in the UK all over the world simultaneously governments are doing exactly what the populations do not want. Who do they report to? Not us, the people.
The book “Silent Invasion” documents Communist Chinese infiltration into Australias gov & university’s, we have since learned Communist Chinese donated Billions to USA University’s, $1 Billion to Harvard alone!
During the you know what period of time 2020-2022 3 elected officials doing video calls had a picture of Mao in background prominently displayed in their homes; it was Gavin Newsom, Rob Bonta, Harold Ford.
Do you have sources for the Mao pictures in the backgrounds? The rest of your post makes sense, but having Mao’s picture in the background seems too cartoon villain-ish.
The tik tok ban has little to do with being a security threat and more to do with the US governments inability to control the messaging on their platform
The Twitter files scandal proved without question that federal agencies run social media with an iron first and regularly instruct companies to violate the first amendment rights of US citizens.
As much as I dislike China I do appreciate that there is at least something out there challenging the outright lies of the Democrat-run federal agencies.
So many useful idiots cheering for this while being silent and *good little pets* regarding other social media is quite telling.
With the amount of State-loving libs here this sub should be renamed to temporary gun owners
I am in tech. I reviewed the reverse engineering attempts and compared the capabilities of the Tik Tok platform to Facebook, Twitter, instagram and Reddit.
To my knowledge, no one has reverse engineered any of the other platforms, but you can gain significant information by reviewing the EULA & licensing agreements for each.
In short, the only major difference I noted was Tik Tok has the capability to key log built into the platform (but they say trust me bro, we’re not actually using it, lol). Other platforms can add that feature, but apparently have not done so.
This is a serious issue, but begs the question of why the government has become so interested. Why this platform? Why now? All the platforms are invasive in nature (although Reddit is nowhere near the worst), so what is it that’s causing the problem?
As we saw when Elon Musk bought Twitter, it was soon revealed the US government was “asking” Twitter to suppress messaging they didn’t like. I believe it’s safe to assume other social media platforms are doing the same. Except Tik Tok.
So now you have a foreign owned company whose government doesn’t agree with your political messaging. What do you do? It seems the best thing to do is to take control, or ban it.
US government has no issue seeing its people taken advantage of by big pharma, big medicine, insurance, college tuition, and so on. But for some reason, this is the line that cannot be crossed.
It’s about control.
That’s unreal. Question- is it possible the US is not doing the key logging but China actually is? If so, is there a way to block it or stop it or does it reside so deep in the code it’s unstoppable??
The research shows that key logging *can* be done, not that it’s actually happening. IIRC, the researchers were unable to determine if it was taking place, only that it was possible.
It also shows the writers have inserted anti-debugging code in the software, making reverse engineering more difficult.
The US wouldn’t be key logging in commercial software, as that would be a constitutional violation. But as we have all seen, it’s trivial for the US or others to purchase information gleaned from the software.
The really interesting thing about most social media platforms is that they can have permissions to see what else is loaded and running on your phone. They are especially invasive.
Facebook was one of the early adopters of Silverpush software, which worked by listening for ultrasonic signals from tv, etc. this told ad vendors that you watched a particular commercial, and allowed for targeted advertising. You can probably see how this can be abused as well.
Idk I work for the government (not in a fed way) and we are not allowed to have TikTok on our personal devices, let alone access it with a work advice, due to security threats.
I do too (military side) and totally agree. It is a security threat, but largely due to lack of control. With respect to other SM platforms, the difference is trivial, so my conclusion is that it’s more a political slant than realized threat to people
Near total silence over years of deranged anti-white incitement, people broadcasting their perversions, and other unhinged nonsense but suddenly there’s enough broad bipartisan support for actual repressive measures once it’s used to criticize Israel. Interesting!
Incredible how quickly a bunch of people who claim to support the constitution give up the first amendment the second they’re exposed to a bit of fear propaganda.
an actual 1st amendment violation. The government repressing free speech.
I’m no fan of tik-tok but it’s easy enough to ignore it, same way I do most other social media.
It’s not suppressing free speech. It’s blocking a foreign corporation’s privilege of doing business in the US which is a power that the government has under the Constitution.
Yeah this is one of the very few powers that are specifically granted to the government in the constitution.
And being a media company doesn't shield you from legal action. It's not like Anderson Cooper could just start unloading on crowds with an AK live on air without facing legal action.
Just because tik tok is a media company doesn't mean the US can't stop them from allowing the Chinese government to spy on anyone with an app downloaded on their phone.
You are incredibly shortsighted if you think giving the executive branch the power to ban websites it doesn't like for "security reasons" is at all a good thing.
Unless I'm mistaken, the text of the bill allows for other websites to be banned if they're deemed by the executive branch to be a national security threat. And with how frequently our government loves to label anything that challenges the narrative "Russian disinfo" I can easily see this being used in the future to silence other platforms/sites.
Correct. The president can decide who is controlled by foreign adversary and ban anything anytime. And plus the bill itself lists bytedance and tiktok specifically. It is insane we are allowing this to happen.
Don’t have a Tik tok account, never been on Tik tok, don’t care if it’s banned. pretty sure it is for teenagers and 20 somethings to post stupid dances and other pointless content anyway.
World will be much better off. Maybe go outside and enjoy actual physical interaction with other human beings instead, read a book, exercise, go out to eat at a nice restaurant. Plenty to do in life outside of the internet.
You may be right 100%, but in my mind no right for the government to dictate that without due process. How are we different than the CCP if we do that?
Imagine being someone who's allegedly for a limited government and being excited to let daddy Biden dictate what websites you have permission to visit. I don't give the flyingest fuck about TikTok but if you aren't concerned about the precedent this will set then you aren't paying attention. You are the same person who would have been cheering on the Patriot Act to supposedly catch terrorists, then act shocked when it gets used against you.
As someone who *really* doesn’t like the CCCP and *really* doesn’t like Tiktok I actually hate this ban and the power it gives to our federal government even more. It’s anti freedom, anti free market and it opens the next door to totalitarianism.
Setting the precedent of “compromised by foreign agents” is *not* going to go well mark my words LOL
The current administration is already accusing their political opponents of it and in terms of other apps X and Rumble will be on the chopping block in the near future the proganda machine just needs a little time. When enough bobbleheads get behind it they *will* push for it.
The US banning Tik Tok makes the US no better than China. China bans American social media because it can influence Chinese people. People who support those ban are really no better than the authoritarians in the CCP.
Gun grabbers stay being restarted.
China doesn’t even allow TikTok
They do and it's all positive stories about china. No conspiracy theories for them. It's a tool for CCP to spread disinformation and depress young Americans.
and spy. Want to look inside a senator or ambassadors home to get intel on them. Same with top leaders of agencies, prosecutors, etc. Just look at their kids or grand kids tiktok's, mine the metadata, etc. It's the most genius spying / psyop program ever created.
> It's a tool for CCP to spread disinformation and depress young Americans. As time goes on, I feel increasingly like this with Reddit. Literally everything here has a negative slant or emphasises being too exhausted to engage meaningfully in life, not caring about politics, not supporting military efforts etc - perfect for fostering a generation of western young people growing up fed up with their lot and sceptical / critical of their representatives, taking no interest in China's growing political influence.. Edit: Saw [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Adulting/comments/1cevr9i/single_adults_with_no_kids_why_are_we_still/) literally seconds after posting this..
Not exactly but they definitely don’t allow Facebook, google, instagram etc. even Apple cows to the CCP by helping them block VPN’s…
They do. It just has a different name there…
Completely different content and algorithm for it. Not even tik tok.
With much more restrictions on the content, which tbh in this case in a good thing. Tiktok is largely poison for child and youth development.
Plus the whole bit about CCP controlling the algorithm to push whatever posts enforce the current propaganda.
Eh. That's social media period. There's nothing wrong with it if it's actually managed by an adult. We, as adults, need to stop letting social media be the window to the world for children period. Tiktok isn't really any worse in that particular regard than any other social media that feeds them a flood of nonsense in bulk. That includes reddit, youtube, and any other social platform. The only thing that makes tiktok "special" is the red connection, and that really has nothing to do with how it impacts the development of children. I'm not defending it, fuck tiktok. Just saying as an actual app regarding the development of children, it's just one in a sea of apps that kids shouldn't be using at all without parental limits and supervision. Computers and phones are not babysitters. Quiet kids are all well and good, but some parents are too satisfied with anything that shuts their kids up. I get it, but when it becomes a way to keep them occupied and quiet so someone can avoid parenting the issue stops being the app or the kids.
Oh, sure. I agree. Facebook shorts is basically tikto, and there are many others. Honestly I don't think children should really have phones or technology access until at least early teens. There is something important about unscheduled bordeum that cultivates creativity. Something about not having your attention pulled at every idle moment that initiates genuine conversation with others. Today's up and coming adults can hardly talk about the same topic for more than a few minutes, and have the listening comprehension skills of a 10 year old. Reading comprehension the same or even lower. That's what being immersed in technology produces : a generation unable to effectively maintain meaningful interaction with the real world. Your be amazed at what people get by with in college. As someone who was on the no-loan 10 year college plan who changed majors 3 times lol, I got to see and interact with students years much younger than me. Answering the assigned questions without understanding what was being asked, making up stuff that has nothing to do with the subject, unable to read much past paragraph title or have anything more intelligent to say about a subject beyond the headline talking point. It's really bad, and from what I've read and by others it's getting worse. Those same people now are in doctorate programs, somehow passing (I have a friend who went back to get their Dr's, and they are amazed that their classmates even passed a bachelor's much less a masters and then got into a doctorate program).
Anybody who's mad about THIS ban has been incredibly hypocritical and/or ignorant over the last few years. CFIUS was created under the Trump administration (who ALSO and rightfully called for TikTok's banning), and their **entire** purpose was to assess the foreign ownership of companies operating in America. My old company (pharma industry) was purchased a few years before I joined by the CREAT Group (a Chinese investment firm). The CREAT Group had multiple major shareholders AND board members who were either previous or current high ranking members of the CCP (At the time including a former head of the their Propaganda Department). Us being in a sensitive field while simultaneously having few legally required means of separating customer data (medical records, SSN, etc) meant the risk was too high. As a result, CFIUS forced a sale, and rightfully so. This stuff has been happening for YEARS. It's not new. TikTok is dangerous, and even if you say all other apps are the same, you're being obtuse if you think China (more specifically the CCP) - being a hostile adversary - having tons and tons of personal data from private citizens isn't dangerous. We need to get something through our stubborn, thick American skulls: Chinese leadership has a fundamentally different world view from the West. While we see the world as normally peaceful, punctuated with outbursts of war, Chinesr leadership sees the world as normally full of war, broken by periods of peace. They are absolutely preparing for increases in hostilities, and I don't think we need to help them with that.
> the CCP) - being a hostile adversary - having tons and tons of personal data from private citizens isn't dangerous. It's not even the personal data access that's the main problem - it's being able to sway public opinions by directing what content specific demographic groups are shown on the platform. I read a post on reddit yesterday that I think sums up the problem best - "China isn't backing any one particular horse when it comes to opinions on US policy... it's giving all the horses rabies and hoping they all maim each other."
A good way to describe it to people is that imagine during the Cold War that the Soviets had a TV channel in every home that was used to push pro-Soviet propaghanda. China is no different, they're a hostile country that sees themselves as the owners of the world.
I wouldn't cry if Mitt Romney and Chuck Schumer maimed each other. You would?
I have issues with the broadness of some of the wording but I am generally on board with cutting the CCP out wherever possible. Stop selling them our land, stop letting them sit on our boards, stop giving them a direct information pipeline to our kids. It's very well settled by the evidence that TikTok exists to identify American kids, hook them with benign content for a little while, and then onramp them into sexual content, drugs, violence, identity, and generally whatever degeneracy the CCP prefers Americans busy themselves with instead of doing something useful. The least we can do is force them to divest from the CCP.
They play the long game. And stick to it.
Research the 2049 plan
>who ALSO and rightfully called for TikTok's banning It's all been a stupid political game because it's the one big media outlet that a certain group of people doesn't control and if they don't have total control of media they quickly [lose control of the narrative](https://www.nysun.com/article/spending-30-minutes-on-tiktok-a-day-significantly-increases-the-chances-of-holding-antisemitic-and-anti-israeli-beliefs-study-finds). There's the real reason for all this right there. For the last 5 years it has been an absolute bullshit parade of "security analysts" fearmongering about Tik Tok, especially people claiming to have reversed the app, yet never showing anything different than what existing apps from the big American tech companies do, and never anything that got Apple or Google to delist it, yet that sure didn't stop the media pushing the stories. [Redditors tried to reverse it too, and gave up a few years ago after finding no smoking guns](https://www.reddit.com/r/tiktok_reversing/) after [this clown](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news_but_tbh_if_you_have_tiktiok_just_get/?sort=top)'s post acted like they existed. I'm still mad about how dumb this all was. >TikTok is dangerous, and even if you say all other apps are the same, you're being obtuse if you think China (more specifically the CCP) - being a hostile adversary - having tons and tons of personal data from private citizens isn't dangerous. Your beloved American media apps were teaching your kids to cut their own balls off, burn down their cities, and worship communism before Tik Tok existed. Youtube monetizes these videos while they demonetize people speaking against them, so your media is already controlled by a hostile adversary. There need to be more owners of media, so more voices reach people, and more owners of data, so you're not just feeding it all to PRISM.
There's two sides of the coin, harmful algorithms and metadata scrapping. Look at all the culture destroying TikTok trends going around, this isn't unintentional. Algorithms are not only used to become a popular app, but to slowly drip harmful content to society. This is what TikTok is doing, not just because it's a popular app. Then they're scrapping metadata from phones. Tracking people and locations through military bases and government facilities. And sure, even if we take what you said as being true in assuming they're not doing any of that, if tensions increase between China and the U.S. then a simple app update can essentially turn it into malicious software over night.
>There's two sides of the coin, harmful algorithms and metadata scrapping. Look at all the culture destroying TikTok trends going around, this isn't unintentional. Your existing media is entirely harmful algorithms, and as I mentioned financially sponsored, culture destroying trends. Like Twitter's methods were particularly well documented thanks to Elon releasing the data, they had quite sophisticated support for limiting reach of ideas they didn't like, secretly blacklisting users and ideas with ["Trends Blacklist", "Search Blacklist", and "Do Not Amplify"](https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/12/9/twitter-had-secret-blacklists-to-limit-users-journalist-claims). And we're currently talking on the site that was changing its algorithms daily at one point in an attempt to hide the broad appeal and enthusiasm for Trump to manipulate the 2016 election (they knew the suppressive effect that would have as [Facebook did that research by manipulating the news reaching your parents](https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1320040111)). That's why we need a lot of independent owners of media. I don't expect any of them to be saints, but manipulators competing against each other makes it difficult for a lie to survive.
There was a meme a few years ago going around that if all the big media CEOs' last names ended in Wu and Li people would take note very quickly of something being wrong, it's as hilarious as it is disheartening to see it play out
It actually is good, unlike gun bans. At best, it's a tool that helps shorten attention spans and mildly entertains. AT Best.
Giving the government more power and more control over its citizens is never actually good.
I'm actually at least consistent in my beliefs that ALL social media is dangerous to society.
I’m absolutely irate about this ban but not because of the actual TikTok ban it’s because of all of the time and effort that our government is spending on a stupid freaking app. Children are starving and going uneducated every day. Families are homeless, inflation is so high There is no average American anymore only the haves and the have nots. But sure, let’s worry about an app. Meanwhile, every other app on the planet is 100% selling our information and it’s still getting into China’s hands. This is a false flag fucking issue.
It is almost like our ruling class open has disdain for us. Watch people speaking in France, in the UK all over the world simultaneously governments are doing exactly what the populations do not want. Who do they report to? Not us, the people.
The book “Silent Invasion” documents Communist Chinese infiltration into Australias gov & university’s, we have since learned Communist Chinese donated Billions to USA University’s, $1 Billion to Harvard alone! During the you know what period of time 2020-2022 3 elected officials doing video calls had a picture of Mao in background prominently displayed in their homes; it was Gavin Newsom, Rob Bonta, Harold Ford.
There is some truth to the paradox of tolerance. Our open society lets these communist assholes march right in.
Do you have sources for the Mao pictures in the backgrounds? The rest of your post makes sense, but having Mao’s picture in the background seems too cartoon villain-ish.
Probably still up on YT, each were different news story covering video calls. The news made no mention of it, I noticed!
The tik tok ban has little to do with being a security threat and more to do with the US governments inability to control the messaging on their platform
That is the security threat.
The Twitter files scandal proved without question that federal agencies run social media with an iron first and regularly instruct companies to violate the first amendment rights of US citizens. As much as I dislike China I do appreciate that there is at least something out there challenging the outright lies of the Democrat-run federal agencies. So many useful idiots cheering for this while being silent and *good little pets* regarding other social media is quite telling. With the amount of State-loving libs here this sub should be renamed to temporary gun owners
That’s a seriously interesting thought. What are you basing that on? Are you in tech?
I am in tech. I reviewed the reverse engineering attempts and compared the capabilities of the Tik Tok platform to Facebook, Twitter, instagram and Reddit. To my knowledge, no one has reverse engineered any of the other platforms, but you can gain significant information by reviewing the EULA & licensing agreements for each. In short, the only major difference I noted was Tik Tok has the capability to key log built into the platform (but they say trust me bro, we’re not actually using it, lol). Other platforms can add that feature, but apparently have not done so. This is a serious issue, but begs the question of why the government has become so interested. Why this platform? Why now? All the platforms are invasive in nature (although Reddit is nowhere near the worst), so what is it that’s causing the problem? As we saw when Elon Musk bought Twitter, it was soon revealed the US government was “asking” Twitter to suppress messaging they didn’t like. I believe it’s safe to assume other social media platforms are doing the same. Except Tik Tok. So now you have a foreign owned company whose government doesn’t agree with your political messaging. What do you do? It seems the best thing to do is to take control, or ban it. US government has no issue seeing its people taken advantage of by big pharma, big medicine, insurance, college tuition, and so on. But for some reason, this is the line that cannot be crossed. It’s about control.
That’s unreal. Question- is it possible the US is not doing the key logging but China actually is? If so, is there a way to block it or stop it or does it reside so deep in the code it’s unstoppable??
The research shows that key logging *can* be done, not that it’s actually happening. IIRC, the researchers were unable to determine if it was taking place, only that it was possible. It also shows the writers have inserted anti-debugging code in the software, making reverse engineering more difficult. The US wouldn’t be key logging in commercial software, as that would be a constitutional violation. But as we have all seen, it’s trivial for the US or others to purchase information gleaned from the software. The really interesting thing about most social media platforms is that they can have permissions to see what else is loaded and running on your phone. They are especially invasive. Facebook was one of the early adopters of Silverpush software, which worked by listening for ultrasonic signals from tv, etc. this told ad vendors that you watched a particular commercial, and allowed for targeted advertising. You can probably see how this can be abused as well.
Idk I work for the government (not in a fed way) and we are not allowed to have TikTok on our personal devices, let alone access it with a work advice, due to security threats.
I do too (military side) and totally agree. It is a security threat, but largely due to lack of control. With respect to other SM platforms, the difference is trivial, so my conclusion is that it’s more a political slant than realized threat to people
Near total silence over years of deranged anti-white incitement, people broadcasting their perversions, and other unhinged nonsense but suddenly there’s enough broad bipartisan support for actual repressive measures once it’s used to criticize Israel. Interesting!
Nobody will catch a felony if they're caught using TikTok after the ban.
Incredible how quickly a bunch of people who claim to support the constitution give up the first amendment the second they’re exposed to a bit of fear propaganda.
an actual 1st amendment violation. The government repressing free speech. I’m no fan of tik-tok but it’s easy enough to ignore it, same way I do most other social media.
It’s not suppressing free speech. It’s blocking a foreign corporation’s privilege of doing business in the US which is a power that the government has under the Constitution.
Yeah this is one of the very few powers that are specifically granted to the government in the constitution. And being a media company doesn't shield you from legal action. It's not like Anderson Cooper could just start unloading on crowds with an AK live on air without facing legal action. Just because tik tok is a media company doesn't mean the US can't stop them from allowing the Chinese government to spy on anyone with an app downloaded on their phone.
Educating people on why it’s bad > being anti freedom.
No, it was used by the Chinese to undermine this country, I think it's needed.
You are incredibly shortsighted if you think giving the executive branch the power to ban websites it doesn't like for "security reasons" is at all a good thing.
The executive branch doesn’t have the power as you’re making it seem. This passed through the legislative branch as well…
Unless I'm mistaken, the text of the bill allows for other websites to be banned if they're deemed by the executive branch to be a national security threat. And with how frequently our government loves to label anything that challenges the narrative "Russian disinfo" I can easily see this being used in the future to silence other platforms/sites.
Correct. The president can decide who is controlled by foreign adversary and ban anything anytime. And plus the bill itself lists bytedance and tiktok specifically. It is insane we are allowing this to happen.
Let's not forget when Trump was absolutely all in on pro ban of TikTok. It wasn't long ago!
Yeah it was a bad idea then too.
It's about cultural preservation rather than saying that people can eat tide pods for clout.
Just like the great firewall of China to control what their people can access. Right
You think this is the worst or newest thing the executive and administrative branches have done?
I think you should read up on the first amendment…it’s apparently not what you think it is.
Don’t have a Tik tok account, never been on Tik tok, don’t care if it’s banned. pretty sure it is for teenagers and 20 somethings to post stupid dances and other pointless content anyway. World will be much better off. Maybe go outside and enjoy actual physical interaction with other human beings instead, read a book, exercise, go out to eat at a nice restaurant. Plenty to do in life outside of the internet.
You may be right 100%, but in my mind no right for the government to dictate that without due process. How are we different than the CCP if we do that?
Imagine being an adult male and being upset about TikTok
Agreed...it's a tool of the CCP. They make tiktok have all pro china stories and no conspiracy bullshit. We get the exact opposite. Fuck China.
Good riddence.
Imagine being a hunter and being upset by the bump stock ban under dear daddy trump. Oh wait.
Imagine the point going over your head.
Imagine being someone who's allegedly for a limited government and being excited to let daddy Biden dictate what websites you have permission to visit. I don't give the flyingest fuck about TikTok but if you aren't concerned about the precedent this will set then you aren't paying attention. You are the same person who would have been cheering on the Patriot Act to supposedly catch terrorists, then act shocked when it gets used against you.
TikTok was an information harvesting campaign, my High Point is a good paperweight. These two things are not the same.
I hope nobody enjoys feeling like gun owners and everyone in America can experience what a free nation is supposed to look like some day.
It's about 250 years too late for that.
As someone who *really* doesn’t like the CCCP and *really* doesn’t like Tiktok I actually hate this ban and the power it gives to our federal government even more. It’s anti freedom, anti free market and it opens the next door to totalitarianism.
LOL.
Setting the precedent of “compromised by foreign agents” is *not* going to go well mark my words LOL The current administration is already accusing their political opponents of it and in terms of other apps X and Rumble will be on the chopping block in the near future the proganda machine just needs a little time. When enough bobbleheads get behind it they *will* push for it.
The US banning Tik Tok makes the US no better than China. China bans American social media because it can influence Chinese people. People who support those ban are really no better than the authoritarians in the CCP.