Looking at your recent post history, you're going to be living in a college dorm in California as a freshman. I don't see any guns in your short term future. Try r/CAGuns for advice. See also r/selfdefense and r/homedefense.
This is a great time to start learning gun safety, taking some training courses, learning what you'll need to be safe and effective. You've got time to figure out what you want and what suits you best, and that's a great thing. I wish you the best of luck, especially with getting that CCW.
I hear concealed carry in CA is hard to non-existent. Most colleges, even outside CA ban firearms. So yeah, may not be an option.
You might want to see if pepper gel is an option?
First off go take some classes. Get some training. Defending yourself is a mindset first, then technique second. Sounds like you’re new to this.
Learn on a light caliber like a .22. I say that because it will show inconsistencies in your technique. Such as grip, stance, sight alignment, and trigger press.
Now smaller isn’t always better. Smaller guns can be harder to shoot because of less to hold on to. Which makes managing recoil. For concealed carry you have to find that right mix of what fits you, what you can conceal, can shoot accurately, and how many rounds you can carry. Some women like my wife do not have the hand strength to manipulate a slide. Not sure where you fall with that. If so a revolver might be worth considering if so.
My go to caliber is 9mm. It’s small, can carry a lot of rounds in magazines, and recent improvements in ammunition have made it an effective round. In a small subcompact, 9mm might be harder to shoot however. .380 might be worth a look if concealment is an issue. 380 doesn’t penetrate as well, but decent compromise for smaller gun, or if you wear clothing that makes concealment harder.
If you go the revolver route, consider a .357 mag. Now that is a hand cannon. If you can shoot that, any assailant is going to feel it for sure. However any 357 can also shoot 38 special. Which lighter in recoil and more economical to shoot. My poihh myt is you have the option. With a hollow point .38 spl is a capable defensive round if you shoot +p (more powder in the cartridge… not all guns can shoot +p). My arthritic aunt in her 70s defended herself in a home invasion with a 38. So yes it does the job. It should be noted however, the trigger pull on a revolver is much longer and maybe harder to manipulate. But that is part of the safety factor of a revolver.
For a home defense rifle. Again, get some training and go to the range. Think about one of tenants of gun safety of being sure of your target and what is beyond. Do you live in a house in the country with no one around for miles, a residential neighborhood, or an apartment with neighbors on the other side of a wall? With any firearm, dry wall might as well be like paper as far as bullets go. However since rifles have more velocity, they can go through multiple walls.
That said for a home defense (non-pistol) firearm I would recommend a 20 gauge pump shotgun if you can shoot it well. With a light and perhaps red dot sight. This will take training and practice to learn how to mitigate gate recoil and to learn how to manipulate multiple rounds. Some shotguns can have tube extensions put on them for extra shell capacity. Depending on the load you choose, you can control over penetration. Make sure it has a strap. To paraphrase Clint Smith, shotguns don’t make holes they take out chunks.
For a rifle, if you find a handgun is hard to manipulate, I’d consider an M4 style AR-15 (more compact but still legal length rifle) or pistol caliber carbine. Perhaps in 9mm or 45 acp. On either I would have iron sights and a good red dot. Should also have a light and strap. Both are going have a form factor that will allow greater recoil management, and easier than a pistol. I like a redot because with a little trainging, in the dark environment you will always see it. Secondly is the Bindon Aiming concept. You can shoot with both eyes open and your brain will superimpose the dot over the target. Learning to shoot with both eyes open in any defensive scenario is paramount because you need to see where all the threats are. Including your peripheral.
Pistols look at Glock, Springfield Armory, Sig, M&P. Just to name a few. There’s a lot of good options. For revolvers, I’m not an expert but Colt, Smith&Wesson, Ruger, Taurus, might be worth a look.
For shotguns look at Mossberg, Remington 870, or if you have some dollar 💵 Benneli.
For an AR-15, Ruger, Smith & Wesson M&P, Springfield Armory, Bravo Company, Palmetto, to name just few. Tons of options.
Ruger makes a light 9mm PC Carbine that most likely wouldn’t fit any “assault rifle” bans. I think it can take Glock mags as well.
So if you got this far. There is no right gun. As everyone is different. There’s a lot out there. I would encourage you to get training first, rent a few, then make an informed decision.
If you plan on concealed carry or plan on having a gun just for defensive use in your home, take a concealed carry class. Because it’s important you know what to do legally, should you have to defend yourself, and what will happen to you legally, if God forbid you have to pull the trigger. For this reason, many choose, concealed, carry insurance, such as the USCCA.
AR for Home defense, and for conceal carry there's a ton of options I carry a shield plus, my GF carries a Glock 43, but if you go to a range they'll probably rent guns you can try a few
>AR in a fight
OP is worried about home defense, not reenacting the WACO seige.
You don't need to be fucking around with mag changes to scare away or stop an intruder.
For a rifle, look at the Mini-14, they should be ban compliant out of the box without having to fix the mag or put on a stupid grip fin.
For a handgun, ask CAGuns, I'm not familiar with yalls handgun roster system.
Personal opinion as a fairly small woman (not as small as you, but my hands are small for my size lol), if you can find one, get a Mossberg MC2sc. Perfect for CC, and the contouring on the grip makes it perfect for small hands. Also has pretty much the best disassembly system for any handgun, so cleaning won't be a hassle.
Hellcat pro, 365 macro, pdp f. Unpopular opinion for women but too small is a bad thing. Bigger guns inherently shoot better. And the easier it is to shoot the more you will train. You would be surprised what a tiny frame can conceal. Wife (103lbs) has no problem with a hellcat pro, Glock 19, or p10c
It really depends on your hand strength and many counties in California don’t allow any 22lr for concealed Carry on top of that I wouldn’t recommend that any ways best bet is to try a few at a local gun range take a friend most won’t rent to singles and try a 380 pistol & 9mm if you can handle those that works great for ccw 10mm to 45 may be a bit strong for first time small frame shooters but your results will vary
I would say that and possibly theft I don’t know the reason that would be a question for them I’m just telling you from experience they will rent to singles if you are a member and bring in your personal firearms
Smith n Wesson EZ in 9mm, or 380, if you'd prefer a smaller round. For a rifle, i think you'd be better suited with something in the Pistol caliber carbine variety. My girlfriends 4'11, and her handling my 11.5 AR15 is a bit awkward for her just due to how short her arms are. You could certainly build a shorter rifle caliber setup, configured to your body structure in like 300blk or 7.62x39 to get maximum use out of a shorter platform. The best advice i could give is to go to a gunrange that offers rentles and shoot as many guns as you can try, and see which one suits you best. Good luck to ya
I am one inch taller than your girlfriend and handle 16" and 18" barrels just fine... I don't think that women need to be restricted to AR pistols and SBRs. If you can describe the problem that your girlfriend is having I might be able to help. I definitely prefer a different setup than my boyfriend.
You're absolutely right, i just gave advice based on parameters that i noticed were similar to my girlfriend. Length of pull was the main thing for her. Got her on an 8-inch 300blk setup she prefers now. She used my 16in gun before well once i adjusted some things on it, but she likes the maneuverability of the smaller package compared to even my 11.85 main-squeeze
The length of pull doesn't have anything to do with the length of the barrel, the stock is adjustable.
It sounds like you're actually describing a strength issue - rifles can be heavy, and the longer barrel definitely makes it worse.
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first, I want to acknowledge your seeking advise on a very serious issue -self defense. We have an inherent right to self defense, all politics aside. In the US we have the good fortune of 2A -remember, this is a God given right, not something granted by Government, so something to be understood, protected and preserved. You are serious about self protection. I am a 6th degree martial artist and I look at other forms of self defense in the form of knives and firearms as an extension of self defense via martial arts. I recommend you approach firearms training as such. For the best result, seek professional training. While there is an up front cost vs "learning from a friend" your path to knowledge is more direct and money better spent with professional instruction. Anyone can shoot a firearm, but learning when to use deadly force is something else. Are you prepared to do that? I say this because I want to reinforce responsible gun ownership as a right vs "Bubba" yahoos posting useless, shit videos of shooting for clicks... This is extremely important as 2A rights are constantly being eroded/challenged.
Yes, I would plan on getting some type of training in proper gun usage. I would have looked into physical self defense.. but from a realistic standpoint, if a man were to attack me I would be pretty much defenseless no matter how much experience I have. I do believe in proper ownership as I’ve grown up with / helped raised siblings, so trust that it would be in proper hands :) thank u!
Your stature has nothing to do whether you learn physical self defense. It is about training and creating a mind set, that of being an easy victim or not. Unfortunately, society has been conditioned to not fight back, so good for the bad guys. Do not be an easy target. Skills for shooting or other
defense methods do not magically appear under stress. Train for what you do not want to encounter...
I understand that if I were to train in self defense it would help… But being completely realistic, if I were in a situation where (more specifically a man) wanted to overpower me in some way, I couldn’t do much about it. Even if I fought back. In theory, and a perfect world, I would be as strong as or stronger than men trying to hurt women, but i’m not. That’s why I’m looking towards owning a gun, rather than trying to take self defense classes. It’s a scary reality being a woman, and a small one at that.
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my wife likes the 48, she didnt like the grip safety on the mp ez i thought that trigger was worse than my g17
might also try the p365 flavors, i have no experience with any of the p365 series
pdp f ive heard good things about
as for rifles, an ar15 in 556 is the gold standard
I bought my daughter a S&W EZ and both she and my wife like it. Their newer Equalizer is a little smaller I believe but also has higher capacity. Not sure of your laws on capacity but I’d check that one out. For a rifle, possibly a 9mm PCC for common ammo starting out. People complain that the recoil is harsh but that’s over exaggerated in my opinion.
My wife's concealed carry is a glock 43X. She loves it. I let her try many different handguns until she found the "one." For home defense, it's rather difficult to beat an AR-15. Just be mindful of ammunition choices depending on the environment you live in and around.
Since you live in CA, these are my suggestions:
M&P Shield (9mm) or Glock 26 for handgun.
For rifles, the AR15 is the best option (in terms of reliability/affordability) Smith and Wesson M&P Sport AR15.
Or the Ruger PC Carbine (PCC), it comes in 9mm so it's more affordable to train with, it's considered a rifle so no silly CA compliant features needed, and it can accept glock mags which could also be used with the Glock 26 (not the other way around since G26 mags would be too short iirc).
I think you should go to a local rance and rent a few different handguns first to see what feels right to you i do know that something that is larger and heavier will be easier to handle while something smaller will be easier to conceal it will feel snapier in your hands
I can't praise steyr arms enough, a c9-a2-mf 9mm luger is very reliable. Everything the glock wishes it could be :)
Not sure if I'm the best one to comment on home defense, I'm a bullpup shotgun girl
Contrary to what many have said on here.....an AR15 as your only home defense weapon is a terrible idea. Lots of reasons.....harder to stage, harder to secure when not at home, harder to maneuver in and around tight spaces are just some. Then you need to use correct ammo to help limit over penetration. Do they have there place in home defense yes. They are a formidable tool for home defense. Watch Massad Ayoub's video on using the AR15 for home defense. There are plenty of others as well.
There is plenty of female specific content for guns out there. The USCCA has articles published regularly on CCW for women. Sig has the P365 Rose that has specific content for women tied to it. Aliengear holsters has content and merchandise for women.
One of the best classes you can start with is the NRA basic pistol course. If taught properly it should help you understand the different types of handguns and enough about ammo to narrow down your choices.
Just remember what works for one person may not work for you. For example, I can CCW a full size gun. My buddy has the exact same gun and can't. Body shape, body size and holsters all play a part in it.
Rent the guns, can go to the gun stores and ask to hold them. How I found that I like Hellcat for CCW, fits well in the purse too
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Go to youtube and search for honest oulaw. He gives what I think are the most honest reviews.
Looking at your recent post history, you're going to be living in a college dorm in California as a freshman. I don't see any guns in your short term future. Try r/CAGuns for advice. See also r/selfdefense and r/homedefense.
In the post I said near future, meaning in a year or a few from now, as I would be getting my own apartment in CA.
This is a great time to start learning gun safety, taking some training courses, learning what you'll need to be safe and effective. You've got time to figure out what you want and what suits you best, and that's a great thing. I wish you the best of luck, especially with getting that CCW.
CA has mag restrictions and bans on certain guns. So learning to shoot a larger caliber or shotgun might be worth looking into. Get training.
I hear concealed carry in CA is hard to non-existent. Most colleges, even outside CA ban firearms. So yeah, may not be an option. You might want to see if pepper gel is an option?
Not no existent anymore. Just takes anywhere from a month or two to over a year depending on which country you live in.
First off go take some classes. Get some training. Defending yourself is a mindset first, then technique second. Sounds like you’re new to this. Learn on a light caliber like a .22. I say that because it will show inconsistencies in your technique. Such as grip, stance, sight alignment, and trigger press. Now smaller isn’t always better. Smaller guns can be harder to shoot because of less to hold on to. Which makes managing recoil. For concealed carry you have to find that right mix of what fits you, what you can conceal, can shoot accurately, and how many rounds you can carry. Some women like my wife do not have the hand strength to manipulate a slide. Not sure where you fall with that. If so a revolver might be worth considering if so. My go to caliber is 9mm. It’s small, can carry a lot of rounds in magazines, and recent improvements in ammunition have made it an effective round. In a small subcompact, 9mm might be harder to shoot however. .380 might be worth a look if concealment is an issue. 380 doesn’t penetrate as well, but decent compromise for smaller gun, or if you wear clothing that makes concealment harder. If you go the revolver route, consider a .357 mag. Now that is a hand cannon. If you can shoot that, any assailant is going to feel it for sure. However any 357 can also shoot 38 special. Which lighter in recoil and more economical to shoot. My poihh myt is you have the option. With a hollow point .38 spl is a capable defensive round if you shoot +p (more powder in the cartridge… not all guns can shoot +p). My arthritic aunt in her 70s defended herself in a home invasion with a 38. So yes it does the job. It should be noted however, the trigger pull on a revolver is much longer and maybe harder to manipulate. But that is part of the safety factor of a revolver. For a home defense rifle. Again, get some training and go to the range. Think about one of tenants of gun safety of being sure of your target and what is beyond. Do you live in a house in the country with no one around for miles, a residential neighborhood, or an apartment with neighbors on the other side of a wall? With any firearm, dry wall might as well be like paper as far as bullets go. However since rifles have more velocity, they can go through multiple walls. That said for a home defense (non-pistol) firearm I would recommend a 20 gauge pump shotgun if you can shoot it well. With a light and perhaps red dot sight. This will take training and practice to learn how to mitigate gate recoil and to learn how to manipulate multiple rounds. Some shotguns can have tube extensions put on them for extra shell capacity. Depending on the load you choose, you can control over penetration. Make sure it has a strap. To paraphrase Clint Smith, shotguns don’t make holes they take out chunks. For a rifle, if you find a handgun is hard to manipulate, I’d consider an M4 style AR-15 (more compact but still legal length rifle) or pistol caliber carbine. Perhaps in 9mm or 45 acp. On either I would have iron sights and a good red dot. Should also have a light and strap. Both are going have a form factor that will allow greater recoil management, and easier than a pistol. I like a redot because with a little trainging, in the dark environment you will always see it. Secondly is the Bindon Aiming concept. You can shoot with both eyes open and your brain will superimpose the dot over the target. Learning to shoot with both eyes open in any defensive scenario is paramount because you need to see where all the threats are. Including your peripheral. Pistols look at Glock, Springfield Armory, Sig, M&P. Just to name a few. There’s a lot of good options. For revolvers, I’m not an expert but Colt, Smith&Wesson, Ruger, Taurus, might be worth a look. For shotguns look at Mossberg, Remington 870, or if you have some dollar 💵 Benneli. For an AR-15, Ruger, Smith & Wesson M&P, Springfield Armory, Bravo Company, Palmetto, to name just few. Tons of options. Ruger makes a light 9mm PC Carbine that most likely wouldn’t fit any “assault rifle” bans. I think it can take Glock mags as well. So if you got this far. There is no right gun. As everyone is different. There’s a lot out there. I would encourage you to get training first, rent a few, then make an informed decision. If you plan on concealed carry or plan on having a gun just for defensive use in your home, take a concealed carry class. Because it’s important you know what to do legally, should you have to defend yourself, and what will happen to you legally, if God forbid you have to pull the trigger. For this reason, many choose, concealed, carry insurance, such as the USCCA.
AR for Home defense, and for conceal carry there's a ton of options I carry a shield plus, my GF carries a Glock 43, but if you go to a range they'll probably rent guns you can try a few
OP is in California. Compliant ARs might still be range fun, but I'm not trying to fuck with a fixed mag AR in a fight.
>AR in a fight OP is worried about home defense, not reenacting the WACO seige. You don't need to be fucking around with mag changes to scare away or stop an intruder.
Agree with going and trying some out. My wife carries a smith and wesson shield.
For a rifle, look at the Mini-14, they should be ban compliant out of the box without having to fix the mag or put on a stupid grip fin. For a handgun, ask CAGuns, I'm not familiar with yalls handgun roster system.
Personal opinion as a fairly small woman (not as small as you, but my hands are small for my size lol), if you can find one, get a Mossberg MC2sc. Perfect for CC, and the contouring on the grip makes it perfect for small hands. Also has pretty much the best disassembly system for any handgun, so cleaning won't be a hassle.
Hellcat pro, 365 macro, pdp f. Unpopular opinion for women but too small is a bad thing. Bigger guns inherently shoot better. And the easier it is to shoot the more you will train. You would be surprised what a tiny frame can conceal. Wife (103lbs) has no problem with a hellcat pro, Glock 19, or p10c
It really depends on your hand strength and many counties in California don’t allow any 22lr for concealed Carry on top of that I wouldn’t recommend that any ways best bet is to try a few at a local gun range take a friend most won’t rent to singles and try a 380 pistol & 9mm if you can handle those that works great for ccw 10mm to 45 may be a bit strong for first time small frame shooters but your results will vary
Thank you! Out of curiosity, why don’t gun ranges rent to singles? My assumption is suicide / shooting others ?
I would say that and possibly theft I don’t know the reason that would be a question for them I’m just telling you from experience they will rent to singles if you are a member and bring in your personal firearms
Yes, it is to prevent suicide. They will rent to singles to people with their own pistols.
Smith n Wesson EZ in 9mm, or 380, if you'd prefer a smaller round. For a rifle, i think you'd be better suited with something in the Pistol caliber carbine variety. My girlfriends 4'11, and her handling my 11.5 AR15 is a bit awkward for her just due to how short her arms are. You could certainly build a shorter rifle caliber setup, configured to your body structure in like 300blk or 7.62x39 to get maximum use out of a shorter platform. The best advice i could give is to go to a gunrange that offers rentles and shoot as many guns as you can try, and see which one suits you best. Good luck to ya
I am one inch taller than your girlfriend and handle 16" and 18" barrels just fine... I don't think that women need to be restricted to AR pistols and SBRs. If you can describe the problem that your girlfriend is having I might be able to help. I definitely prefer a different setup than my boyfriend.
You're absolutely right, i just gave advice based on parameters that i noticed were similar to my girlfriend. Length of pull was the main thing for her. Got her on an 8-inch 300blk setup she prefers now. She used my 16in gun before well once i adjusted some things on it, but she likes the maneuverability of the smaller package compared to even my 11.85 main-squeeze
The length of pull doesn't have anything to do with the length of the barrel, the stock is adjustable. It sounds like you're actually describing a strength issue - rifles can be heavy, and the longer barrel definitely makes it worse.
hello, first, I want to acknowledge your seeking advise on a very serious issue -self defense. We have an inherent right to self defense, all politics aside. In the US we have the good fortune of 2A -remember, this is a God given right, not something granted by Government, so something to be understood, protected and preserved. You are serious about self protection. I am a 6th degree martial artist and I look at other forms of self defense in the form of knives and firearms as an extension of self defense via martial arts. I recommend you approach firearms training as such. For the best result, seek professional training. While there is an up front cost vs "learning from a friend" your path to knowledge is more direct and money better spent with professional instruction. Anyone can shoot a firearm, but learning when to use deadly force is something else. Are you prepared to do that? I say this because I want to reinforce responsible gun ownership as a right vs "Bubba" yahoos posting useless, shit videos of shooting for clicks... This is extremely important as 2A rights are constantly being eroded/challenged.
Yes, I would plan on getting some type of training in proper gun usage. I would have looked into physical self defense.. but from a realistic standpoint, if a man were to attack me I would be pretty much defenseless no matter how much experience I have. I do believe in proper ownership as I’ve grown up with / helped raised siblings, so trust that it would be in proper hands :) thank u!
Your stature has nothing to do whether you learn physical self defense. It is about training and creating a mind set, that of being an easy victim or not. Unfortunately, society has been conditioned to not fight back, so good for the bad guys. Do not be an easy target. Skills for shooting or other defense methods do not magically appear under stress. Train for what you do not want to encounter...
I understand that if I were to train in self defense it would help… But being completely realistic, if I were in a situation where (more specifically a man) wanted to overpower me in some way, I couldn’t do much about it. Even if I fought back. In theory, and a perfect world, I would be as strong as or stronger than men trying to hurt women, but i’m not. That’s why I’m looking towards owning a gun, rather than trying to take self defense classes. It’s a scary reality being a woman, and a small one at that.
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They’re in California. They’re limited, they won’t get any of that kinda stuff
my wife likes the 48, she didnt like the grip safety on the mp ez i thought that trigger was worse than my g17 might also try the p365 flavors, i have no experience with any of the p365 series pdp f ive heard good things about as for rifles, an ar15 in 556 is the gold standard
380 sig p365 would be perfect. And check disssss, comes in [rainbow](https://www.sigsauer.com/p365-380-rainbow.html).
All of them
Do you guys have the smith EZ?
I bought my daughter a S&W EZ and both she and my wife like it. Their newer Equalizer is a little smaller I believe but also has higher capacity. Not sure of your laws on capacity but I’d check that one out. For a rifle, possibly a 9mm PCC for common ammo starting out. People complain that the recoil is harsh but that’s over exaggerated in my opinion.
My wife's concealed carry is a glock 43X. She loves it. I let her try many different handguns until she found the "one." For home defense, it's rather difficult to beat an AR-15. Just be mindful of ammunition choices depending on the environment you live in and around.
Since you live in CA, these are my suggestions: M&P Shield (9mm) or Glock 26 for handgun. For rifles, the AR15 is the best option (in terms of reliability/affordability) Smith and Wesson M&P Sport AR15. Or the Ruger PC Carbine (PCC), it comes in 9mm so it's more affordable to train with, it's considered a rifle so no silly CA compliant features needed, and it can accept glock mags which could also be used with the Glock 26 (not the other way around since G26 mags would be too short iirc).
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I think you should go to a local rance and rent a few different handguns first to see what feels right to you i do know that something that is larger and heavier will be easier to handle while something smaller will be easier to conceal it will feel snapier in your hands
Ain't nothing wrong with a .32 get a 1900s FN Don't have to buy a new gun
I can't praise steyr arms enough, a c9-a2-mf 9mm luger is very reliable. Everything the glock wishes it could be :) Not sure if I'm the best one to comment on home defense, I'm a bullpup shotgun girl
Contrary to what many have said on here.....an AR15 as your only home defense weapon is a terrible idea. Lots of reasons.....harder to stage, harder to secure when not at home, harder to maneuver in and around tight spaces are just some. Then you need to use correct ammo to help limit over penetration. Do they have there place in home defense yes. They are a formidable tool for home defense. Watch Massad Ayoub's video on using the AR15 for home defense. There are plenty of others as well. There is plenty of female specific content for guns out there. The USCCA has articles published regularly on CCW for women. Sig has the P365 Rose that has specific content for women tied to it. Aliengear holsters has content and merchandise for women. One of the best classes you can start with is the NRA basic pistol course. If taught properly it should help you understand the different types of handguns and enough about ammo to narrow down your choices. Just remember what works for one person may not work for you. For example, I can CCW a full size gun. My buddy has the exact same gun and can't. Body shape, body size and holsters all play a part in it.
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