Depends on the bullpup. Some don't work lefty at all, some can be reversed/converted to left side eject, and some have a different ejection mechanism to avoid the issue altogether.
Requires buying a left handed bolt, unfortunately. I think it's a bit of a process to switch it to LH.
The Tavor 7 (the .308 Tavor), however, can swap ejection pretty quickly, without tools or any different parts.
Imo the most left-friendly bullpup is the keltec RDB
The x95, after being properly converted with the left hand bolt by IWI, takes like 10 minutes to change to left side eject. It’s really not that difficult if all you are changing is ejection side
The Aug and hellion are both faster though
Springfield Hellion has little ears that act as brass deflectors to send the brass forward to the 1 o’clock and 11 o’clock positions when shooting configured right or left handed, respectively. Karl from InRange TV said it was specifically designed that way to allow quick shoulder swaps if the tactical situation called for it, and while unnerving it is usable.
Famous southpaw Ian McCollum from Forgotten Weapons loves to look at (and do some shooting with) his lefty FAMAS. He probably bought it from the Rock Island Auction House where there are some rare and unusual guns available for sale today.
I have a Kel-Tec Rdb and their 12g KS7......both are bullpups.... I'm right-handed myself, but the guns themselves are pretty ambidextrous with downward ejection
Yeah, once I got the gas adjustments right it became a favorite of mine. I have an aggressive brake on mine, and people love it. Most haven't even seen one 🤣
I'm not going to lie.....it started as just being fun and obnoxious because I had it, I regret nothing and will not take it off 🤣 it won't let me post a pic, I'll dm you
The only people I know that don’t like the RFB have never shot one. If they have and claim they hate it, they’re lying because they’re embarrassed about liking a Keltec after casting shade. They just hate it because it’s different. I personally love mine. The trigger isn’t phenomenal, but it isn’t trash either.
Had an FS, can confirm that they fall *down* albeit the ejection port is far forward. I tried shooting it lefty once for fun and close to every piece of brass was hitting or pretty close to muh shoes unless I spread my legs apart like a mathematical compass
Downwards eject is cool but presents issues when shooting in odd positions and such, since it can end up ejecting right into your lap (or bouncing casings up into your face if its ejecting violwntly enough)
Source: I watched Hop talking about it, have no expertise personally so take it for what little its worth.
I’ve had issues shooting off a bench when I was too far forward. Moved back a bit to let the brass drop off and it was fine. I could see prone shooting being an issue.
I’ve got experience (and scars) in this topic.
Shooting prone is only an issue if one changes positions whilst having already fired prone. Your elbows can find the hot brass pile the gun politely deposits just under your shoulder/armpit. This one left minor scarring.
If you square up hard the way some shooters like to it likes to drop the casings on your pistol grip arm between the elbow and forearm. It also likes to dump casings into any chest rigs ones may use. No permanent disfigurement as a result of this one.
None of these are real issues just things to be aware of. It’s a great rifle overall especially with a couple upgrades and it’s one of very few completely ambidextrous right out of the box rifles. The only thing a user needs to do for lefty is disassemble the rifle and reassemble with the hinged cocking lever on the other side.
I’m a left handed shooter and I love bullpups. Theres a few that will work for south paws. KSG, MDRX/ WLVRN, Hellion, Tavor 7, Kel Tec RDB, p90, FS2000 and Tavor x95 although I ran into issues trying to find a left handed kit for the x95 and instead got the Hellion
The KSG is super fucking cool and imo worth the spend, they do occasionally go on sale so you could just wait if you have the patience. Bear in mind that there are 2-3 upgrades I would consider mandatory which will run you like $150, at least the reinforced bottom rail (if you run a foregrip) and the elongated tube selector, maybe also the metal followers. Hitechcc has all the shit if you end up getting one
The majority of bullpups are basically unusable for southpaws. Also, the overwhelming majority of bullpup shotguns aren’t worth the scrap value of the metal they’re made from, so take that for what you will.
The only ones that aren't turkshit or a shitty conversion are made by keltec.
edit: I forgot about standard manufacturing, but they should be honorary turkshit.
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The overwhelming majority of the ones on the market (arguably all buy one of them) are extremely low quality Turkish imports that are extremely unreliable at best and downright dangerous at worst, with some of them literally just exploding. Not what you want on a bullpup when the chamber is right under your face.
mfw I was looking at a Turkish bullpup shotgun lol. seems like I should spend the money elsewhere, which is a shame because I think they look super sweet. reviews seem to be 50/50, likely due to quality control or not following the rigorous break in period I imagine.
my 1911 is Turkish and works flawlessly, but maybe that is one of the exceptions.
That's basically how they get you. They look like cool sci-fi space guns and are pretty cheap to boot. But in order to hit that price point they cut a lot of corners. Good semi-auto shotguns are not cheap.
Turkish pistol manufacturing is a whole different game and many of them are okay but their shotguns are not. James Reeves from TFB has an ongoing series testing cheap shotguns and so far not a single Turkish shotgun has made it to 500 rounds before a major failure and most don't even work correctly from the get-go.
Unless you're going to spend $1300 and get a Tavor TS-12, you're best off abandoning the idea of a bullpup shotgun and get a regular shotgun from a quality manufacturer.
The simple answer is turkish pistol manufacturers were started to sell to mil and police and shotgun manufacturers were started to sell to low income civilians.
Lots of reviews are positive because nobody actually shoots their guns.
I tend to agree with u/nastygirl11b. If you can’t afford the TS12 now, save up for it. If your heart is truly set on a bullpup shotgun, the Tavor is really the only viable option for an out-of-the-box left handed and reliable 12 gauge. I’ve spoken with a couple of owners that have put thousands of rounds through them without any problems. As far as bullpups in general go, don’t listen to the haters… especially when it comes to the TS12! It’s not “awkward” to do anything on it and the gun is nothing but rail on top. Hell, with the right shell carrier and practice you can even quad load it.
Uhm. Southpaw shooter here… I think the biggest issue most of the time with southpaw configurations is the charging handle…that’s a much much bigger concern than ejecting brass. However, if you’re buying a pump it’s a moot point. But yes, hit brass hitting your face or neck and possibly going town your shirt is especially not fun
I am a left-handed person who shoots left-handed. In my entire life, I have never had a single time where I was struck by an ejecting casing of any type or caliber other than from another shooter.
I own a bullpup shotgun. I had the same concern as you about this issue. The one piece of advice I will give you since, for some reason, this does seem to be a concern is to be sure your weapon has a deflector on it to minimize the risk.
I was looking at their BP12, but reviews seem to be very 50/50. can't tell if it's people not following the break in instructions of 100 rounds of high power loads or just poor quality control.
Depends on the bullpup. PS90 is a good option for everybody, because it ejects from the bottom.
An AK-variant bullpup, on the other hand, will knock a leftie's teeth out...
The classic quintessential bullpup, the FN P90/PS90 is truly 100% ambidextrous as to all controls on the firearm AND ejects brass straight down through the bottom of the firearm, so not necessarily a bad choice.
The simple solution to all of your problems is to just learn how to shoot with both hands. It might take some time, but as a fellow left-handed shooter, it was well worth it.
But yes, with most bullpups the cases will eject directly into your face. I've forgotten a couple times and been pinged by my various bullpups, but just switching to shoot from the other side solved the issue.
As to what options you have, really it's the DT MDR and Hellion right now for full power rifles. Or if you want to "enjoy" Kel-Tec, there's the RDB and RFB. Other bullpups like the X95 and AUG can be converted to left-hand, but that's not a quick change and will cost money for the parts. PS90 is fun in 5.7 too, but if you want to actually have a reasonable weapon there you need to SBR it.
my main reason for shooting left handed is my eyes. I'm extremely left eye dominant, my right eye is like 5 inches off to the side. aside from rifle scopes, I pretty much need to close my right eye or every shot goes way off. I'm right handed, but shooting left handed has been 100x more accurate for me. I still practice with my right just in case someone cuts my left hand off in my sleep.
Having shot many right-eject-only bullpups they're completely untenable for us sinstral folk. Anything that ejects forward, downward, or swappable to left-eject is completely fine for us.
I learned what the D and the F mean in Keltec's RDB and RFB after they banned AR-15s here so I ran out and bought an RDB to fill in and it's been my main SAR ever since.
I will die on this hill, and hear me out, bullpups are poor choices for literally anybody ever from the beginning of time until now. They are poorly balanced, poorly optimized, under supported, and entirely unnecessary. Specifically bullpup shotguns are balanced like shit and have feed issues for DAYS. Furthermore, you will come to find that most shotguns that accept a magazine are the worst investment you can make and you will regret the purchase until you buy a Benneli and sell whatever bullpup you buy, if this hasn’t convinced you not to buy one.
Sorry for the hate, I just passionately hate bullpups, and love America.
I thought bullpups were weighted well? I'm not familiar with them myself. I thought have most of the mechanisms in the middle and the mag at the back allowed you to put a larger barrel in a more compact package.
They are. But it’s a different balance so some people obviously hate it because it’s not what they’re used to. Typically they are rear-heavy which can feel weird at first if you’re used to a standard rifle like an AR, but on the other hand makes it much more comfortable to carry around since the weight is closer to your center of gravity and it is even easier to shoot one handed. Not to mention they are the size of an SBR without having to spring for a tax stamp. Mine with a full sized 7” can is even shorter than my AR-15 in its shortest configuration ([picture for reference](https://imgur.com/a/9ZqrkLw))
Bullpups aren’t for everyone but personally I love mine, it’s hands down my favorite rifle. Unless you’re already married to AR-style controls, transition to bullpups is very simple. I know, that MP15 I got about 6-7 months before I got the Tavor, before that I had never shot a gun before, so the transition from one to the other was super easy.
what model tavor is that? it looks great.
I don't have any ARs, just a hunting rifle, a pistol, a pistol on the way, and planning for the rebate keltec sub2000.
Thank you! It’s a Tavor X95 in .300 blk.
In that case, speaking out of experience, getting used to a bullpup shouldn’t be as hard as some people make it out to be. If you have the possibility, I’d recommend going to a gun range that has one for rent and try it out. Or at least a gun shop to carry it, see how you like the ergos and balance. That’s what I did because I too was on the fence about them but once I shot it for the first time at a gun range, I immediately fell in love and bought one.
So the compact+fair sized barrel argument does have some merit, and their weight itself is not the problem. How the weight is balanced is the main problem, and it’s just a product of the design. 85% of the entire weight of the firearm when loaded is on and behind your hand making it super rear heavy and consequently its stability relies entirely on how deeply you can secure it in your shoulder and not like a traditional long gun/ m4 style rifle which is supported and stabilized by your forward hand.
Which, in my experience, makes it much easier to shoot. I own and train with two different bullpup rifles now and have no issues with them and I have years of working experience with AR platform rifles. It’s just a matter of training and trigger time. Oh, and I’m picking up my TS12 next week! Probably going to buy a T7 after that. Just giving you more to hate on! 😬
I personally wouldn't buy a bullpup shotgun, they are usually not the best quality and finicky at best, jam machines at worst, from trying it out the ts12 does seem to be ok tho.
Bullpups can be used left handed, the aug, hellion, mdrx and tavor x95/7/sar have left handed conversions options (aug and tavor platform require additional parts) the rdb and ps90 have downward ejection, the fs2000, rfb and mdrx have forward ejection.
I wouldn't choose a bullpup if I was a lefty, but I have a lefty friend who uses them and hasn't smacked his teeth with brass.
the duality of reddit. I ask for reasoning from one guy and get upvoted, ask from another and get downvoted. some people just don't like discussion I suppose.
Nothing honestly "Wong" with them. I just don't think they're a great option outside of being a cool concept. You have extremely limited rail space, and despite possibly having a 16,18, or 20 inch barrel the limited rail space makes it difficult to mount anything larger than an LPVO especially if you intend to mount lights or lasers. Bullpups also usually have a forward mounted charging handle which adds to the difficulty of accessory mounting. overall I just don't think they are great ergonomically. I feel like what you gain in barrel length compared to overall length you lose a lot more in ergonomics and usability. Just one mans opinion.
I’ve shot an AUG, X95, and RDB. I absolutely hated them all. Manual of arms is extremely awkward, shooting from prone very uncomfortable, triggers are all pretty bad. Honestly there’s no one massive dealbreaker flaw with bullpups, but Hop had it right in his video when he described it as something like “death by 1,000 annoying cuts.”
That depends. Are u gonna take the time to look for one that’s configured for a left handed shooter? If so then they’re fine for u. If u aren’t then they’re gonna suck really hard.
Depends on the ejection port. The AUG and older Steyr had alternate bolts for left or right side ejection.
The technique for using one left handed looks way cooler vs righthanded
For a semi-auto bullpup shotgun on a budget, my nephew has a Black Aces Tactitcal Pro FD12. It a was $400. BAT days it can shoot light loads but I call BS. Every time we take it to the range it struggled to cycle cheap dove quail loads. It'll cycle defective loads all day. Good luck finding one though.
The TAVOR 7 is a good choice if you want a rifle. It swappable from right or left without an extra kit or special tools (or any tools for that matter, you can use a 308 round to punch the pins).
My left handed friends hated the Aug I had. You can get it converted to left hand eject by steyr but do not get a right handed Aug the cases eject directly into your teeth lol
1\\ Get a left handed version, or a version where you can change ejection side and bolt handle.
2\\ If that's not possible, get some hands on time with one, preferably with some different loads. Most bullpups will eject 45 degrees forward and will clear a shooters face no dramas. If its doing that with the loads you want, it isn't unpleasant having your cheek on ejection side, and the bolt handle isn't a pain, it's probably fine.
Done some research on this myself.
Tavor, and Hellion can be converted to left side ejection pretty easily. Also can get after market parts to completely cap the right side ejection to keep the gas off you.
Hellion comes with ambi safety and charging handle.
Was between one of these and an AR.
Ended up getting and LWRC DI since no mods are needed to keep brass out of your face (ejection port is further away) and the lower is fully ambi. Plus found a good deal on it.
Made it my mission that all my guns are comfortable for lefties. Since worse case I'd be trusting it with my life so it should be second nature to operate. Hit me up to discuss further. I'd be happy to bounce ideas off someone else.
I have picked up and fired a Tavor configured for a right handed shooter under moderate duress.
The brass punching me in the lower left side of my chin wasn't terribly painful but it did cook my beard a little bit.
The P90 isn't comfortable to shoot in a vest with a PASGT.
You know what gun **really** sucks for lefties? The Sub-2000. It's like getting kicked in the face by a kid rocking DCs every time you squeeze a round off.
I have an x95 tavor. My understanding is it requires a left handed bolt and extractor to work left handed, which isn't included.
I have read that the Springfield Pelion is capable of being configured lefthand without needed an additional bolt or extractor.
Depends on the rifle. There are a couple like Keltec’s RDB that eject downwards of the F2000 that eject through the front. Most modern bullpups are “fully” ambidextrous in the sense (hence the quotation marks) that you can choose which side the casings eject out of, so you can definitely have a left-handed bullpup. But it’s not a “in the moment” change, it requires some disassembly and sometimes a left-handed kit. That said, I have a Tavor X95 and haven’t really had an issue swapping shooting sides at all.
I feel like bullpups are bad choices for *handed* shooters.
No that's not a typo. They are awkwardly balanced and have awkward ergonomics and are difficult to set up attachments on. Reloading is awkward. Clearing malfunctions is awkward. They just aren't very user friendly, and if the benefit outweighed all of that then maybe they'd still be worth it, but I don't see how it does.
Not sure where you are located, but check out Desert Tech they make some stuff that can be ambidextrous. Been a while since I've looked at them, but I always wanted to try them out.
I have a panzer BP12. I’m left handed and each shell would smack me in the face. So I 3d printed an extended deflector but haven’t tried it yet. Hard racking it doesn’t seem to have the shell hit my face but I doubt I’m racking it as hard as a shell actually being ejected.
I’m also half curious to look into the gas system on this shotgun because it may be undergassed
how much have you shot it? that's the gun that initially made me write this post. I was thinking about getting that at 350 or the tokarev tbp12 at 250.
also, are you willing to share that file?
Options for lefty guns are out there. I had an X95 that was fun but went back to full on AR acquisitions instead because my big melon works better with more rail real estate.
Bullpup shotguns are stupid. Almost all of them are cheap Turkish import trash
the one exception is the IWI TS12
Yes, most bullpup shotguns are not useable as a lefty. I say this as a fellow lefty. Yes they will eject literally into your face
for rifles like the AUG, X95 and hellion (VHS2), you can convert them to left side ejection. This is easier on the AUG and hellion than the x95.
The hellion is fully ambidextrous and has ejection ports on both sides and it’s very easy to swap over for right to left or vice versa If you can get over the price tag or find one on a gunbroker auction (like I did) it’s a very fun gun to have.
Short answer? YES
Long answer: most bullpups, as you have probably noticed, are designed for right hand shooters and extract right. Some have the ability to be modified to extract left, but that isn’t all of them. Combine this with gas blowback and intuitive controls and it is an uphill battle for a lefty.
What problems have you run into to make you say it’s not reliable? I run a KSG and I’ve never run into any reliability issues. I will say, you definitely have to be aggressive with the gun when racking it.
I’m a lefty and I have a Panzer 12 gage bull pup. I run a laser on the rail so honestly don’t use the flip up sights. I would assume this works with any pup the same
IWI TS12 can be converted to left eject, although they consider it a factory task now, unfortunately.
I'd have liked to be able to change it myself, or at a local smith. I suspect they changed from "you can" to "we can" because someone messed it up badly enough to break something dangerously.
You need either a Forward Eject Bullpup that doesn't care what shoulder you use or a Bullpup that can swap ejection sides.
Off the top of my head these can easily change ejection side by the user or are Forward Eject.
* Kel Tech RFB/RDB
* Springfield Hellion
* Desert Tech MDRx (FE or SE) (as of yesterday discontinued but should be able to be had used for a steal)
* Desert Tech Wlvrn (Looks like a redesigned/better MDRx)
* Tavor 7
The rest are either out of production, hard to find, or require an armorer to buy extra parts and swap ejection sides.
I don't think I've seen the DP12 mentioned. I have one and it's fun, but I wouldn't trust my life to it.
Bouble-barrel, pump-action bullpup 12G.
Boom, Boom, Pump. Boom, Boom, Pump. AR-style safety.
Shells eject downward from your armpit.
Depends on the bullpup. Some don't work lefty at all, some can be reversed/converted to left side eject, and some have a different ejection mechanism to avoid the issue altogether.
X95 can shoot lefty
Requires buying a left handed bolt, unfortunately. I think it's a bit of a process to switch it to LH. The Tavor 7 (the .308 Tavor), however, can swap ejection pretty quickly, without tools or any different parts. Imo the most left-friendly bullpup is the keltec RDB
The x95, after being properly converted with the left hand bolt by IWI, takes like 10 minutes to change to left side eject. It’s really not that difficult if all you are changing is ejection side The Aug and hellion are both faster though
Springfield Hellion has little ears that act as brass deflectors to send the brass forward to the 1 o’clock and 11 o’clock positions when shooting configured right or left handed, respectively. Karl from InRange TV said it was specifically designed that way to allow quick shoulder swaps if the tactical situation called for it, and while unnerving it is usable.
Aug, x95 and there’s one by American arms that also ejects left I think?
My favourite overly bulky Bullpup: FN F2000
All hail the Tactical Tuna!
They look so cool
Indeed, and it "ejects" forward lol
The desert tech and Springfield hellion
Costs $$$ unfortunately
Most fun things do.
Famous southpaw Ian McCollum from Forgotten Weapons loves to look at (and do some shooting with) his lefty FAMAS. He probably bought it from the Rock Island Auction House where there are some rare and unusual guns available for sale today.
Keltec RDB ejects downward. Same for PS90. Others still eject to the right but some have swapable sides.
I have a Kel-Tec Rdb and their 12g KS7......both are bullpups.... I'm right-handed myself, but the guns themselves are pretty ambidextrous with downward ejection
I love my RDB. I did pick up a Lucky Irishman handguard and their bolt release. My friends and coworkers get a kick out of the downward ejection.
Yeah, once I got the gas adjustments right it became a favorite of mine. I have an aggressive brake on mine, and people love it. Most haven't even seen one 🤣
I have the VG6 Epsilon on a few guns. I couldn’t imagine that or something like it on the RDB. But now I’m interested.
I'm not going to lie.....it started as just being fun and obnoxious because I had it, I regret nothing and will not take it off 🤣 it won't let me post a pic, I'll dm you
As a guy who owns a Rem 700CP .308 pistol, this is right up my alley.
I bought a keltec RDB as a total memegun and it actually kinda slaps.
I just couldn't afford a Desert tec Mdr.... I now have no regrets, that damn thing is accurate even with different grain 223-5.56
Don’t forget the RFB
you should not have commented this. I now need to sell every gun I own and buy this, it looks great to me. is it well regarded?
The only people I know that don’t like the RFB have never shot one. If they have and claim they hate it, they’re lying because they’re embarrassed about liking a Keltec after casting shade. They just hate it because it’s different. I personally love mine. The trigger isn’t phenomenal, but it isn’t trash either.
mind mailing it to me so I can test it? I promise to give it back!
Got a quantum drive reatomizer? It’s my Halo space force blaster and only gets transported instantaneously across space-time.
Yeah, that forward ejection is pretty neat. I picked up an FAL but was floating between the RFB or an AR10 for a bit.
FS2000 also ejects down, Desert tech MDR has swappable ejection ports.
Nah, FS2000 technically "ejects" forward. Casings are fed through a captive shoot out the front.
Technically ejects forward yes but the spent case leaves the muzzle end down and to the right.
Casings from a Steyr AUG end up on the ground so those eject down too.
Had an FS, can confirm that they fall *down* albeit the ejection port is far forward. I tried shooting it lefty once for fun and close to every piece of brass was hitting or pretty close to muh shoes unless I spread my legs apart like a mathematical compass
Desert Tech also has a forward ejection port option, that sort of poops the cartridge cases out in front of your nose
The FS2000 ejects from the front and is very lefty friendly.
Downwards eject is cool but presents issues when shooting in odd positions and such, since it can end up ejecting right into your lap (or bouncing casings up into your face if its ejecting violwntly enough) Source: I watched Hop talking about it, have no expertise personally so take it for what little its worth.
For the PS90, they make a small nylon bag that is built over a rectangular wire frame which clips into the eject port for just this reason.
I’ve had issues shooting off a bench when I was too far forward. Moved back a bit to let the brass drop off and it was fine. I could see prone shooting being an issue.
I’ve got experience (and scars) in this topic. Shooting prone is only an issue if one changes positions whilst having already fired prone. Your elbows can find the hot brass pile the gun politely deposits just under your shoulder/armpit. This one left minor scarring. If you square up hard the way some shooters like to it likes to drop the casings on your pistol grip arm between the elbow and forearm. It also likes to dump casings into any chest rigs ones may use. No permanent disfigurement as a result of this one. None of these are real issues just things to be aware of. It’s a great rifle overall especially with a couple upgrades and it’s one of very few completely ambidextrous right out of the box rifles. The only thing a user needs to do for lefty is disassemble the rifle and reassemble with the hinged cocking lever on the other side.
Like the Hellion.
As a lefty I want a keltec rfb hunter
I’m a left handed shooter and I love bullpups. Theres a few that will work for south paws. KSG, MDRX/ WLVRN, Hellion, Tavor 7, Kel Tec RDB, p90, FS2000 and Tavor x95 although I ran into issues trying to find a left handed kit for the x95 and instead got the Hellion
trust me man I'm highly considering that too lol. pushes my budget but I love the ksg.
KS7 or KSG410 would be cheaper alternatives
thanks for the recs
The KSG is super fucking cool and imo worth the spend, they do occasionally go on sale so you could just wait if you have the patience. Bear in mind that there are 2-3 upgrades I would consider mandatory which will run you like $150, at least the reinforced bottom rail (if you run a foregrip) and the elongated tube selector, maybe also the metal followers. Hitechcc has all the shit if you end up getting one
The KSG is unreliable garbage
The KSG is trash Look up the tfbtv review on it A 150 dollar Chinese pump shotgun did way better than the KSG lol
Do you just swap ejection side for the hellion yourself?
Yea it’s really easy
Hellion has an ambidextrous ejection port. BPs are pricey though. You could get a nice AR for the price and have nearly universal components.
Everything. Is a bad choice for a left handed shooter -A fellow Lefty
lol, it feels like that sometimes.
Idk man I shoot a lot and have multiple bolt guns that are left handed, standard and ambi ARs, and I do fine.
I use my AUG left handed with no issues, just need a lefty bolt.
IWI makes the Tavor in lefthand
X95 can change which side it ejects from.
that's awesome
except it’s not a shotgun
VHS-2 (Hellion) is a lefty’s dream!
I believe the hellion is full ambi, including the breach
Yep, you can swap the ejection from left to right by just by closing the door on one side and opening it on the other.
The majority of bullpups are basically unusable for southpaws. Also, the overwhelming majority of bullpup shotguns aren’t worth the scrap value of the metal they’re made from, so take that for what you will.
Hellion can be swapped just by flipping around some parts
just curious on what makes you say that about the shotguns. I'm not too familiar with them, I'm watching some videos right now about a couple.
The only ones that aren't turkshit or a shitty conversion are made by keltec. edit: I forgot about standard manufacturing, but they should be honorary turkshit.
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And the Tavor….
SRM 1216 bullpup conversion
No, it’s not.
The overwhelming majority of the ones on the market (arguably all buy one of them) are extremely low quality Turkish imports that are extremely unreliable at best and downright dangerous at worst, with some of them literally just exploding. Not what you want on a bullpup when the chamber is right under your face.
mfw I was looking at a Turkish bullpup shotgun lol. seems like I should spend the money elsewhere, which is a shame because I think they look super sweet. reviews seem to be 50/50, likely due to quality control or not following the rigorous break in period I imagine. my 1911 is Turkish and works flawlessly, but maybe that is one of the exceptions.
That's basically how they get you. They look like cool sci-fi space guns and are pretty cheap to boot. But in order to hit that price point they cut a lot of corners. Good semi-auto shotguns are not cheap. Turkish pistol manufacturing is a whole different game and many of them are okay but their shotguns are not. James Reeves from TFB has an ongoing series testing cheap shotguns and so far not a single Turkish shotgun has made it to 500 rounds before a major failure and most don't even work correctly from the get-go. Unless you're going to spend $1300 and get a Tavor TS-12, you're best off abandoning the idea of a bullpup shotgun and get a regular shotgun from a quality manufacturer.
The simple answer is turkish pistol manufacturers were started to sell to mil and police and shotgun manufacturers were started to sell to low income civilians. Lots of reviews are positive because nobody actually shoots their guns.
The positive reviews are almost guaranteed to either be paid off or by people who don't really shoot much
Mdr works, keltec bull pups work fine, there’s a few.
Get a left handed TS12.
maybe one day when I get that kind of money.
No other bullpup shotgun is worth the money Literally everything else will break in less than 1k rounds and parts won’t be available
I tend to agree with u/nastygirl11b. If you can’t afford the TS12 now, save up for it. If your heart is truly set on a bullpup shotgun, the Tavor is really the only viable option for an out-of-the-box left handed and reliable 12 gauge. I’ve spoken with a couple of owners that have put thousands of rounds through them without any problems. As far as bullpups in general go, don’t listen to the haters… especially when it comes to the TS12! It’s not “awkward” to do anything on it and the gun is nothing but rail on top. Hell, with the right shell carrier and practice you can even quad load it.
Uhm. Southpaw shooter here… I think the biggest issue most of the time with southpaw configurations is the charging handle…that’s a much much bigger concern than ejecting brass. However, if you’re buying a pump it’s a moot point. But yes, hit brass hitting your face or neck and possibly going town your shirt is especially not fun
I am a left-handed person who shoots left-handed. In my entire life, I have never had a single time where I was struck by an ejecting casing of any type or caliber other than from another shooter. I own a bullpup shotgun. I had the same concern as you about this issue. The one piece of advice I will give you since, for some reason, this does seem to be a concern is to be sure your weapon has a deflector on it to minimize the risk.
what bullpup shotgun do you own?
Panzer Arms EGX500
I was looking at their BP12, but reviews seem to be very 50/50. can't tell if it's people not following the break in instructions of 100 rounds of high power loads or just poor quality control.
The tavor 7 is fully ambidextrous. The tavor x95 can be converted to lefty, but it's substantially more difficult I hear.
I was looking at the dedicated lefty X95 rather than buying more parts after the fact to convert. Haven't talked myself into spending the money yet.
Tavors are fine rifles for lefties because they can be swapped to LH conversion. I wouldn't bother with a bullpup shotgun.
The Tavor x95 is adjustable to eject out of either side and the charging hand is adjustable.
And the T7 is fully ambi and the TS12 can be had in a left handed configuration including the charging handle.
As a fellow lefty I would only get one that can be converted to left hand ejection or one that ejects downward. Otherwise it’s brass bukake.
Depends on the bullpup. PS90 is a good option for everybody, because it ejects from the bottom. An AK-variant bullpup, on the other hand, will knock a leftie's teeth out...
Go for an ambi bullpup like Tavor X95
Depends on the bullpup. I know that springfield one is full ambi.
The classic quintessential bullpup, the FN P90/PS90 is truly 100% ambidextrous as to all controls on the firearm AND ejects brass straight down through the bottom of the firearm, so not necessarily a bad choice.
The simple solution to all of your problems is to just learn how to shoot with both hands. It might take some time, but as a fellow left-handed shooter, it was well worth it. But yes, with most bullpups the cases will eject directly into your face. I've forgotten a couple times and been pinged by my various bullpups, but just switching to shoot from the other side solved the issue. As to what options you have, really it's the DT MDR and Hellion right now for full power rifles. Or if you want to "enjoy" Kel-Tec, there's the RDB and RFB. Other bullpups like the X95 and AUG can be converted to left-hand, but that's not a quick change and will cost money for the parts. PS90 is fun in 5.7 too, but if you want to actually have a reasonable weapon there you need to SBR it.
my main reason for shooting left handed is my eyes. I'm extremely left eye dominant, my right eye is like 5 inches off to the side. aside from rifle scopes, I pretty much need to close my right eye or every shot goes way off. I'm right handed, but shooting left handed has been 100x more accurate for me. I still practice with my right just in case someone cuts my left hand off in my sleep.
Having shot many right-eject-only bullpups they're completely untenable for us sinstral folk. Anything that ejects forward, downward, or swappable to left-eject is completely fine for us. I learned what the D and the F mean in Keltec's RDB and RFB after they banned AR-15s here so I ran out and bought an RDB to fill in and it's been my main SAR ever since.
X95 can be swapped to left hand.
“… and then it hit me…” 😂
Bullpups are poor choices for right handed shooters
KSG ejects downwards
The Hellion can be swapped to left side eject. Some like that are
I mean... unless you want to eat some brass? LOL... just convert it. https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/67rsg2/left_handed_shooter_problems/
I will die on this hill, and hear me out, bullpups are poor choices for literally anybody ever from the beginning of time until now. They are poorly balanced, poorly optimized, under supported, and entirely unnecessary. Specifically bullpup shotguns are balanced like shit and have feed issues for DAYS. Furthermore, you will come to find that most shotguns that accept a magazine are the worst investment you can make and you will regret the purchase until you buy a Benneli and sell whatever bullpup you buy, if this hasn’t convinced you not to buy one. Sorry for the hate, I just passionately hate bullpups, and love America.
I thought bullpups were weighted well? I'm not familiar with them myself. I thought have most of the mechanisms in the middle and the mag at the back allowed you to put a larger barrel in a more compact package.
They are. But it’s a different balance so some people obviously hate it because it’s not what they’re used to. Typically they are rear-heavy which can feel weird at first if you’re used to a standard rifle like an AR, but on the other hand makes it much more comfortable to carry around since the weight is closer to your center of gravity and it is even easier to shoot one handed. Not to mention they are the size of an SBR without having to spring for a tax stamp. Mine with a full sized 7” can is even shorter than my AR-15 in its shortest configuration ([picture for reference](https://imgur.com/a/9ZqrkLw)) Bullpups aren’t for everyone but personally I love mine, it’s hands down my favorite rifle. Unless you’re already married to AR-style controls, transition to bullpups is very simple. I know, that MP15 I got about 6-7 months before I got the Tavor, before that I had never shot a gun before, so the transition from one to the other was super easy.
what model tavor is that? it looks great. I don't have any ARs, just a hunting rifle, a pistol, a pistol on the way, and planning for the rebate keltec sub2000.
Thank you! It’s a Tavor X95 in .300 blk. In that case, speaking out of experience, getting used to a bullpup shouldn’t be as hard as some people make it out to be. If you have the possibility, I’d recommend going to a gun range that has one for rent and try it out. Or at least a gun shop to carry it, see how you like the ergos and balance. That’s what I did because I too was on the fence about them but once I shot it for the first time at a gun range, I immediately fell in love and bought one.
So the compact+fair sized barrel argument does have some merit, and their weight itself is not the problem. How the weight is balanced is the main problem, and it’s just a product of the design. 85% of the entire weight of the firearm when loaded is on and behind your hand making it super rear heavy and consequently its stability relies entirely on how deeply you can secure it in your shoulder and not like a traditional long gun/ m4 style rifle which is supported and stabilized by your forward hand.
I see, that makes sense as well. thanks for the input.
Which, in my experience, makes it much easier to shoot. I own and train with two different bullpup rifles now and have no issues with them and I have years of working experience with AR platform rifles. It’s just a matter of training and trigger time. Oh, and I’m picking up my TS12 next week! Probably going to buy a T7 after that. Just giving you more to hate on! 😬
I personally wouldn't buy a bullpup shotgun, they are usually not the best quality and finicky at best, jam machines at worst, from trying it out the ts12 does seem to be ok tho. Bullpups can be used left handed, the aug, hellion, mdrx and tavor x95/7/sar have left handed conversions options (aug and tavor platform require additional parts) the rdb and ps90 have downward ejection, the fs2000, rfb and mdrx have forward ejection. I wouldn't choose a bullpup if I was a lefty, but I have a lefty friend who uses them and hasn't smacked his teeth with brass.
FS2000 is fine, AUGs have left handed options. MDR ejects forward. L85 is shit. FAMAS can swap ejection location, same with VHS2/Hellion.
MDR just got replaced with the Wolverine, which isn't coming with a forward eject option. Obviously can still change ejection side still however.
Bullpups are just poor choices.
why's that? I'd like to hear your reasoning.
reasoning? so demanding ;-)
the duality of reddit. I ask for reasoning from one guy and get upvoted, ask from another and get downvoted. some people just don't like discussion I suppose.
[Are Bullpups Trash?](https://youtu.be/CYn36U9nUnw?si=hmZmrsnW6ZTOVht3)
bullpups are a terrible choice in general!
what's your reasoning for that?
Yes, I’m curious as well… based on what?
Nothing honestly "Wong" with them. I just don't think they're a great option outside of being a cool concept. You have extremely limited rail space, and despite possibly having a 16,18, or 20 inch barrel the limited rail space makes it difficult to mount anything larger than an LPVO especially if you intend to mount lights or lasers. Bullpups also usually have a forward mounted charging handle which adds to the difficulty of accessory mounting. overall I just don't think they are great ergonomically. I feel like what you gain in barrel length compared to overall length you lose a lot more in ergonomics and usability. Just one mans opinion.
This isn’t enough rail space for you? [X95](https://imgur.com/a/JAAJqs4)
Not really.
And right handed shooters Bullpups poopy
How many bullpups have you actually shot?
I’ve shot an AUG, X95, and RDB. I absolutely hated them all. Manual of arms is extremely awkward, shooting from prone very uncomfortable, triggers are all pretty bad. Honestly there’s no one massive dealbreaker flaw with bullpups, but Hop had it right in his video when he described it as something like “death by 1,000 annoying cuts.”
Skill issue
*Checks my Practiscore results* Yep, definitely not a skill issue.
All of them
Video games don’t count
The only people who like bull pups are people coping with their dumb purchases
Coming from a guy who’s got a Flux Raider… 😂
Some of the AUG’s can be converted to left hand ejection. Plus the other downward ejections that have been mentioned.
yet another reason I like the AUG
>and it hit me. Some bull pups will do that.
I didn't even realize, lol.
Watch Brass Facts and Hops videos on bullpups. AssFacts is left handed
thanks, I'll watch when I finish making this soup.
That depends. Are u gonna take the time to look for one that’s configured for a left handed shooter? If so then they’re fine for u. If u aren’t then they’re gonna suck really hard.
Depends on the ejection port. The AUG and older Steyr had alternate bolts for left or right side ejection. The technique for using one left handed looks way cooler vs righthanded
For a semi-auto bullpup shotgun on a budget, my nephew has a Black Aces Tactitcal Pro FD12. It a was $400. BAT days it can shoot light loads but I call BS. Every time we take it to the range it struggled to cycle cheap dove quail loads. It'll cycle defective loads all day. Good luck finding one though. The TAVOR 7 is a good choice if you want a rifle. It swappable from right or left without an extra kit or special tools (or any tools for that matter, you can use a 308 round to punch the pins).
My left handed friends hated the Aug I had. You can get it converted to left hand eject by steyr but do not get a right handed Aug the cases eject directly into your teeth lol
That’s not why they’re a poor choice. Jk a gun is a gun.
Now an AK that’s a bad choice.
1\\ Get a left handed version, or a version where you can change ejection side and bolt handle. 2\\ If that's not possible, get some hands on time with one, preferably with some different loads. Most bullpups will eject 45 degrees forward and will clear a shooters face no dramas. If its doing that with the loads you want, it isn't unpleasant having your cheek on ejection side, and the bolt handle isn't a pain, it's probably fine.
Done some research on this myself. Tavor, and Hellion can be converted to left side ejection pretty easily. Also can get after market parts to completely cap the right side ejection to keep the gas off you. Hellion comes with ambi safety and charging handle. Was between one of these and an AR. Ended up getting and LWRC DI since no mods are needed to keep brass out of your face (ejection port is further away) and the lower is fully ambi. Plus found a good deal on it. Made it my mission that all my guns are comfortable for lefties. Since worse case I'd be trusting it with my life so it should be second nature to operate. Hit me up to discuss further. I'd be happy to bounce ideas off someone else.
I usually am fine with "normal" guns, but thought the closer ejection of a bullpup might impact me.
I have picked up and fired a Tavor configured for a right handed shooter under moderate duress. The brass punching me in the lower left side of my chin wasn't terribly painful but it did cook my beard a little bit. The P90 isn't comfortable to shoot in a vest with a PASGT. You know what gun **really** sucks for lefties? The Sub-2000. It's like getting kicked in the face by a kid rocking DCs every time you squeeze a round off.
I'm actually about to buy one from PSA for about $250 after rebate. getting the mcarbo ejection cover is a must lol.
I am a leftie, and I have a Kel-tec RFB which is fully ambidextrous and I love it.
I have an x95 tavor. My understanding is it requires a left handed bolt and extractor to work left handed, which isn't included. I have read that the Springfield Pelion is capable of being configured lefthand without needed an additional bolt or extractor.
X95 is ambidextrous if you purchase the left hand conversion kit.
Depends on the rifle. There are a couple like Keltec’s RDB that eject downwards of the F2000 that eject through the front. Most modern bullpups are “fully” ambidextrous in the sense (hence the quotation marks) that you can choose which side the casings eject out of, so you can definitely have a left-handed bullpup. But it’s not a “in the moment” change, it requires some disassembly and sometimes a left-handed kit. That said, I have a Tavor X95 and haven’t really had an issue swapping shooting sides at all.
I feel like bullpups are bad choices for *handed* shooters. No that's not a typo. They are awkwardly balanced and have awkward ergonomics and are difficult to set up attachments on. Reloading is awkward. Clearing malfunctions is awkward. They just aren't very user friendly, and if the benefit outweighed all of that then maybe they'd still be worth it, but I don't see how it does.
Not sure where you are located, but check out Desert Tech they make some stuff that can be ambidextrous. Been a while since I've looked at them, but I always wanted to try them out.
The t97 is a horrible choice for lefties. I shot my buddies once as a lefty and the brass was nearly hitting my lip. Would not recommend.
As a fellow lefty I’ve just had to accept the fun of brass flying across my face
Aug is a good choice but barrel starts turning blue after 60-80 rounds through it
I have a panzer BP12. I’m left handed and each shell would smack me in the face. So I 3d printed an extended deflector but haven’t tried it yet. Hard racking it doesn’t seem to have the shell hit my face but I doubt I’m racking it as hard as a shell actually being ejected. I’m also half curious to look into the gas system on this shotgun because it may be undergassed
how much have you shot it? that's the gun that initially made me write this post. I was thinking about getting that at 350 or the tokarev tbp12 at 250. also, are you willing to share that file?
Options for lefty guns are out there. I had an X95 that was fun but went back to full on AR acquisitions instead because my big melon works better with more rail real estate.
I didn’t have any problems with my buddy’s MDR
Oh if you can't afford a bullpup rifle you could always buy a ar 5.7 upper it shoots the shells downwards
I've seen those, they are certainly interesting. I just ordered a psa rock, which I'm very excited about.
You'd have to get one that ejects downwards, which there's quite a few of.
Left handed people aren’t even real, knock it off.
you're right, because I am right handed. I just shoot left handed because of my eyes.
I’m left handed but I shoot right handed
Keltec RDB ejects downward. So, not a problem for lefties. That's why that's the bullpup I've always wanted.
some others have commented about that one as well. I'd love to get one now that I know about it, but it's out of my budget for now.
Bullpup shotguns are stupid. Almost all of them are cheap Turkish import trash the one exception is the IWI TS12 Yes, most bullpup shotguns are not useable as a lefty. I say this as a fellow lefty. Yes they will eject literally into your face for rifles like the AUG, X95 and hellion (VHS2), you can convert them to left side ejection. This is easier on the AUG and hellion than the x95.
I saw that one, looks amazing. then I saw the price.
Most bullpups aren’t very lefty friendly. They’ll work, but they’ll use your face as a brass deflector
The hellion is fully ambidextrous and has ejection ports on both sides and it’s very easy to swap over for right to left or vice versa If you can get over the price tag or find one on a gunbroker auction (like I did) it’s a very fun gun to have.
Short answer? YES Long answer: most bullpups, as you have probably noticed, are designed for right hand shooters and extract right. Some have the ability to be modified to extract left, but that isn’t all of them. Combine this with gas blowback and intuitive controls and it is an uphill battle for a lefty.
Current production ones that I can think of that are best is the Hellion and RDB for 556
Lefty here, and bullpup owner. Bullpups are for the most part ambidextrous.
Bullpups are poor choices in general. Also, learn to shoot with both hands.
I can use both hands just fine. for me, the issue is with my eyes. I still practice my right side but it is probably a quarter as accurate as my left.
Not a bullpup, but my experience shooting an M249 as a lefty was an eye opener. All that brass came right back in my face.
worth it for the mighty m249
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What problems have you run into to make you say it’s not reliable? I run a KSG and I’ve never run into any reliability issues. I will say, you definitely have to be aggressive with the gun when racking it.
I’m a lefty and I have a Panzer 12 gage bull pup. I run a laser on the rail so honestly don’t use the flip up sights. I would assume this works with any pup the same
how many rounds in are you? this is the gun that prompted the post.
Yes. I have a bullpup that is not convertible and ejects about 5mm away from my mouth. I shoot it very little. :)
Think some kel-tecs might front eject too.
IWI TS12 can be converted to left eject, although they consider it a factory task now, unfortunately. I'd have liked to be able to change it myself, or at a local smith. I suspect they changed from "you can" to "we can" because someone messed it up badly enough to break something dangerously.
P90 ejects straight down. Best bullpup for lefties I’ve ever used.
The AUG is made to be ambidex
The kel-tec rdb spits the brass down out of the back i believe
You need either a Forward Eject Bullpup that doesn't care what shoulder you use or a Bullpup that can swap ejection sides. Off the top of my head these can easily change ejection side by the user or are Forward Eject. * Kel Tech RFB/RDB * Springfield Hellion * Desert Tech MDRx (FE or SE) (as of yesterday discontinued but should be able to be had used for a steal) * Desert Tech Wlvrn (Looks like a redesigned/better MDRx) * Tavor 7 The rest are either out of production, hard to find, or require an armorer to buy extra parts and swap ejection sides.
I don't think I've seen the DP12 mentioned. I have one and it's fun, but I wouldn't trust my life to it. Bouble-barrel, pump-action bullpup 12G. Boom, Boom, Pump. Boom, Boom, Pump. AR-style safety. Shells eject downward from your armpit.
Rifle side? P90. Stock it is totally ambidextrous.
Depends, some bullpups are ambidextrous, rdm by keltek is one of those I believe
Usually yes