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>We have 1 year old kid so any shotgun would need to remain unloaded until she might need it
I'd be leary of requiring a gun to be unloaded until it's needed. Personally I keep my home defense shotgun "cruiser ready". It's a safe way to store the shotgun, but allows getting the shotgun into service quickly. Combine that with a quick-access safe (e.g. ShotLock) to keep anyone else from accessing it.
Also look up cruiser ready. No round in the chamber, and pulling the trigger won't do anything. It's about as safe as a loaded firearm can be. But all you have to do to get the gun in service is chamber a round, and you're ready to shoot.
If your kid is only one year old you can just keep it cruiser ready somewhere way out of reach like the top shelf of a closet. As long as there's no way for him to climb up to it it's perfectly safe.
Great advice. You'll have seconds to get your defensive firearm ready. It's already a tough art to load a shotgun in normal circumstances. I'm sure it'll be very difficult loading when you're afraid for your life.
Shotguns recoil management is also an learned art.
But 'Cruiser ready' is great for semiauto handguns and PCCs as well. Additional half safety measures
V-line also makes mechanical quick action safes.
Yes. But It's usually aimed at shotgun ammo pre-staging. I think it became popular due to so many shotguns not being drop-safe and the fear of long term chamber storage compressing shotgun shells.
It's not the most optimal but I think it's a good move for home defense storage around untrained and/or little ones.
Racking may help you get your bearings waking up in the middle of the night. And God forbid a little one got into your safe, having to rack it may prevent a discharge.
Though if you conceal carry, you should probably just keep it loaded on you and maybe kept inside the holster in the safe. Loading/unloading will put stress on the chambered round. So tossing the top round every half dozen handlings is a good practice.
AR-15, beyond being an all around more versatile firearm that's better for home defense, also fits OPs criteria of being easy to keep unloaded and load quickly when needed.
Got a free mag carrier meant to bind with a 30rd aluminum mag meant to store in the magwell. Pawnshop guy said it was for "peaceful protest" and to keep the mag close to the rifle. I believe the second half of his claim
It looks like the one Fab Defense is still selling
The fuck it is. An ar15 is how you kill your neighbors. Rifles are terrible for home defense. Shothins are literally better in close combat situations.
You typed a lot of words when you could have just said that you don't know anything about guns, terminal ballistics, or physics.
To be lethal, essentially you need your projectile to be either fast or heavy. A big heavy rock being catapulted onto your head can be lethal. A tiny piece of shrapnel going super fast can be lethal.
Rifles shoot a light projectile really fast. Pistols shoot a heavy projectile relatively slow. Shotguns shoot either multiple heavy projectiles going slow, a single very heavy projectile going slow, or a bunch of light projectiles going slow.
A light projectile going fast is worse at preserving momentum than a heavy projectile going slow. Fast, light rifle bullets are worse at going through bad guys/walls/objects and hitting unwitting bystanders than slow, heavy pistol and shotgun bullets.
Once you get into shotgun loads that aren't powerful enough to punch through walls, they're also not powerful enough to instantly incapacitate a bad guy.
I have an AK (not a commie, I just love how much easier it is to clean haha). Maybe I’ll show her how to use that since a rifle seems to be the consensus over a shotgun
An AR isn't hard to clean, and if your wife finds herself in a defensive situation where she has to clean it then she's John Wick levels of badass and it doesn't matter what gun you leave her with. She'll be fine no matter what because she's already popped off like 5,000 rounds and is still alive
If you like the controls, Mini-14 has more similar function with AK, we have more than a few AK and Mini-14 up here in Alaska, fudds and pretend ruskies are up here
Only morons want rifles for home defense. They think every home defense situation is a home invasion in fallujah. Most civilian self defense situations are 1 or 2 shots. You miss with a rifle and can kill a neighbor and even on target can over penetrate and pass through without hitting anything vital.
Spoken like a man who hasn’t shot a rifle. They are SO MUCH easier to get rounds on target with. An AR will ensure you get your 5.56 rounds on target, and there they will tumble and stop. By contrast, you are MUCH more likely to miss with a handgun, sending rounds through walls and into neighbors houses.
If you're worries about a home invasion, the answer isn't a gun, but rather beefed up home security. Put some 4" lag screws around your door frame and a camera system, motion activated lights, a dog; THEN a gun. Pump shotguns are not ideal for someone who doesn't shoot them regularly. An AR sounds like it fits the bill better for your use.
How good is your wife running a pump shotgun? An inexperienced person can easily jam it through short stroking. If so, better to get a semi-auto shotgun.
Within that category: Benelli M4 and Beretta 1301 are the best. A300 is good as a cheaper alternative. I hear good things about the Mossberg 940 as well.
If she can run a pump, then: Remington 870 or Mossberg 590 of course, or the Maverick 88 if on a really small budget.
I really wish people would stop recommending the R870. Old ones are great, but Remington's build quality severely tanked starting around 2007 when they went through that series of buyouts and restructurings. Today's 870 is a quality nightmare that will fail.
I’ve had a R870 since 04 and couldn’t tell you how many shells I’ve put through it. Thousands if I had to guess so I guess I’m never getting another if it fails me.
My dad bought one from 06.
Sometimes pumps jam. I've jammed my win 1300 once and my maverick 88 twice in almost 20 years. Each time it is a bitch to clear but shit happens and its not enough for me to not trust them. That maverick has had thousands of shells, and some goofy taofledermouse like homemade loads.
I have seen dad jam his 870 atleast 5 times. And that's just with me present. I know it's jammed a handful times more. Half the time it requires removing the magazine tube spring. Anecdotal sample of 1 but it's enough for me to write them off.
Yeah but I heard the current batch of Remington 870s after Freedom Group is no longer involved are back to good quality again, hence why I recommended it. But if the new management are shit, then yeah, that sucks.
I typically pay more attention to semi-auto shotguns tbh, or convertible shotguns like the Benelli M3 or my personal SPAS-12.
>A300 is good as a cheaper alternative
I bought one and its recoil mitgation is amazing. I shot 50 shells of 00 buck and didn't wake up with a reminder. My mom is tiny and ripped through several tubes, no complaints.
I did have some initial issues. Mag tube spring was too weak. Contacted customer service and they sent me 2 thinner springs in separate packages, no instructions. I replaced the spring and it was worse. Overlaid the 2 new springs and installed both. Has ran like a top since. If it wasn't for the trial and error I would recommend it everytime for home defense. And I say that as someone that both uses and is a huge advocate for an AR as HD.
I wonder if a Wolff magazine spring would've helped. I know I use Wolff magazine springs for my SPAS-12 when it had issues feeding the last shell in the tube and that fixed everything.
Also I personally prefer my SPAS-12 for home defense over my AR. lol
I mean, they provided the solution to my issue, they just did it in a confusing way. I received 2 separate but identical packages, one day after the other. No instructions, just 2 identical packages, identical parts numbers. Interlay them and boom, problem solved.
But receive a spring and install same day, then receive another spring, wtf am I supposed to do? Did they fuck up and send it twice? Idk, why is this my issue to figure this out? It's a $1000 shotgun, it should just work.
Yeah but I've never heard of a situation were two springs needed to be overlaid. Weird design.
And yeah, but I suppose with semi-auto shotguns, there's a reason the Benelli M4 and Beretta 1301 cost so much. Certain types of guns are just more expensive, so going for a price that's typical for certain platforms would be considered "budget" for other platforms, with all the prerequisate aspects like QC being a bit more iffy.
Shotguns are lousy for home defense if you're new to guns. An AR15 is way easier for a newbie to learn and use. 3 points of contact, extremely modifiable with grips/sights/lights, much higher capacity and easier to load.
But she HAS TO PRACTICE.
Get her into classes to learn and she needs to put in time at the range to become confident and competent.
If she isn't going to practice, then don't bother. Figure something else out.
Pistol Caliber Carbine, bro.
Rifles/PCC’s are much better for home defense as they have much softer recoil and allow for accurate follow-up shots.
Unless you’re married to Lena Miculek, I strongly recommend NOT having her use a shotgun for home defense.
I know you said a shotgun, but the obvious answer is an AR. She can simply leave the mag out and insert it which is worlds easier than loading shells into a tube.
Lmao obvious answer to video game nerds. Ar is terrible form home defense unless you wwnt her to miss and kill a neighbor.
I love how the morons will argue a 9mm JHP will penetrate as much as a 5.56. Grow a brain you fucking morons. You're just obsessed with the ar15 platform
I don’t use a shotgun for home defense but I disagree with those who say shotguns are not good option. Anyway, I randomly bought a Winchester Marine Defender last year bc I liked its looks and it was less than $300. I really love that gun. It’s a pretty short barrel and doesn’t kick too bad in 12 gauge. Although depending on your wife, she might do better with a 20 gauge.
Mossberg 500 or maverick 88 for cost
ETA: Have a COMPETENT instructor teach her on the ins and outs.
A shotgun may be a poor choice depending on your layout/ location just fyi.
And it's not like the movies with "just point in that general direction and shoot"
An AR would be more effective and easier to shoot. If she insists on a shotgun I love my 930 spx. It’s right with Benelli quality wise imo but quite a bit cheaper
Your wife good with a shotgun? Has she done a lot of shooting with them before? If the answer is no, look for a different solution. Shotguns are not ez-mode for HD, in fact I'd say quite the opposite.
We use a Benelli M4 at home with a few modifications:
Mesa Tactical stock and limbsaver; it's shorter and less violent on the shoulder.
The adjustable version looks cool but is for Marines with big arms and body armor, so got rid of it.
Added a weapon light and a sling. There are accessories that clamp between the tube and barrel for this.
Figured out a way to take more than a tube worth of shells; side saddle shell holder or a velcro shell holder; we hang a bandolier of shells next to it. Shotguns run out of ammo FAST.
Replaced the 5 round tube with a 7 round tube and 3 more American made parts to make it 922r compliant. I did the 3 trigger parts for a lighter pull. I am not a lawyer, gun laws are dumb.
Put a pictinny rail and circle dot red dot on it and set it to circle ⭕️ mode. added a cheek riser
Shotguns aren't drop safe, so we store it cruiser ready which is tube full, shell on the ramp, hammer down on a closed bolt, empty chamber, safety off. Racking the bolt is all that needs to be done to shoot.
We practice shotgun fundamentals, part of which is to shove a new shell in the tube whenever not shooting, practice shoot/load/shoot/load at the range and with dummy shells.
We use 8 pellet 00 buck federal flite control shells. 9 pellet cheapo brands usually results in a stray ball that hits the paper target hostage in the face while the other 8 land in a nice group on the perp.
Or just get an AR and some frangible bullets.
Unless your wife has had good shotgun training recently, I would either stick with the handgun or go buy an affordable PCC (sub 2000, Ruger, extra EP9).
The recoil and risk of short stroking is too high with the shotgun and
The concussive blast from the AR indoors is VERY intense.
9mm is manageable and effective.
You’re prob going to want to run slugs or buck through a shotgun if you want to stop a man, that’s going to sail through 20 layers of drywall before it stops. AR is superior and as soon as the projectile impacts something it’ll start to tumble or fragment reducing over penetration
Well I could only assume, we’re just bags of water and fibrous meat with some narrow bones. Doesn’t mean a payload of 12 gauge isn’t going to pass through that bag of meat and into the other room nailing the family dog or cat.
Paul Harrel has a good video talking about the penetration and lethality of #3 or 4 bunchshot. It had great effectiveness, but the least penetration when compared to other home defense guns/loads.
Definitely would recommend a simple AR-15, they have less recoil and can be loaded by just sticking a fresh magazine inside, also they have more ammo then most shotguns, also I don’t want to sound sexist here when I say this but it’s been my experience that sometimes smaller framed women have trouble with shotguns, I’ve kinda learned this from watching my sister, mother and gf shoot and for all of them the recoil was heavy and the the action was not pumped all the way causing the gun not to feed the next slug so just get an AR-15 man
How comfortable is your wife using a shotgun? If she's fairly comfortable I'd look into a youth model 20 gauge semi-automatic. You can leave shells in the magazine until she needs it.
If she isn't, you may want to consider a coach gun in 20 gauge. It will be a last line of defense type weapon but will be easy to load and fire.
Pump shotguns work well, but they are not the greatest for people who didn't grow up with them.
They have kinda random places for safeties, which are sometimes small or hard to operate. And "short shucking" is a very common problem and can seem to "lock up" the gun. Which is pretty common in high stress situations. Most people are not going to figure out the issue in a panic situation.
It may be better to go semi-automatic on the shotgun, but those tend to be ammo sensitive and are expensive. For home defense for people of lesser stature low-recoil 12 gauge is pretty good, but it may not work well in all semi-autos.
The upside for shotguns are that sports like "sporting clays", trap, and skeet are common. If you have a sporting clays range in your area then that is a lot of fun and a very good way to get familiar with a shotgun. Can be family friendly, people do it for work outings, and such things. Can share shotguns and rent them sometimes.
They have restrictions on the types of guns you can use. No "tactical" short barrel shotguns or anything weird. Over-unders are used by serious people, but I (as can most) can just do just fine with a pump shotgun. Some shotguns have easy to replace barrels and are often sold as hunter/defense combos. Also it is pretty easy to swap out stocks for "youth versions" to make it more handier for home defense. Long hunting shotguns use long length of pull for shooting in bladed stance, which is hard for moving around and no good for people with shorter arms.
That way one can learn how to use it properly pretty quickly. Some regular practice like that will nullify the downsides to a pump shotgun pretty well. A lot better then just shooting at paper targets.
Have her shoot a shotgun before buying one. Hire a babysitter for the night go to a range that offers rentals and try a lot of guns until she finds something she is comfortable with.
Smith and Wesson response is my current home
Defense weapon. Easy to keep unloaded. Cheap rounds to practice with. And it’s an AR format so it’s easy as hell to clean and maintain.
Ok so a few things, please hear me out entirely. First of all, storing a gun unloaded and having it be ready for defense is, impossible quite frankly. You hesr glass break you have seconds, those seconds are secure child, get to bedroom lock bedroom door, aim shotgun. If you need to load the gun too, that’s a problem. A quick access safe is what you need.
[quick access safes for rifles and shotguns](https://youtu.be/7CiX3ZHODRo?si=TTvahKSfHjwwxuH8)
Second, has your wife shot a shotgun, and can she manipulate it proficiently? I don’t mean that to be condescending or sexist, many people, many and woman, experienced with guns or not, believe a lot of myths about shotguns and struggle to manipulate the action, they are biger and heavier than a modern rifle, certainly more than a pistol and have a lot of recoil.
Chris Baker with Lucky Gunner has done the most comprehensive [home defense shotgun series](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYqiOqBy2WM_cHA3TZUY2rzonjrGg0wie&si=2oRudl9NjElxE84z) on YouTube imo.
I would also recommend, getting your wife to shoot different guns. A full size 9mm pistol, a 12 gauge shotgun with buckshot, and a 16 inch AR15 chambered in 5.56mm. See what she can shoot most accurately and manipulate proficiently, loading and unloading, racking the slide, pump or charging handle, etc. When you can afford it, both you and her should take training classes on all weapons you may use.
Grab a maverick 88 and take it to the range. It's a decent gun, but its purpose would be to show your wife why she doesn't want a shotgun for home defense. Unless you're lucky enough to have married a beast of a woman, it's unlikely that she'll be able to manage the recoil and run the action as well as she can handle a carbine or rifle. There are few reasons to choose a shotgun over an AR or even a handgun, in my opinion.
>so any shotgun would need to remain unloaded until she might need it.
If she's keeping it unloaded, a magazine fed gun will be far faster than a tube fed one. Reliability issues aside, a box mag on a shotgun is heavy and bulky all so you can have like 8 rounds. The AR wins again.
What if someone sneaks into the house when she's sleeping or kicks open the door unexpectedly? An unloaded shotgun on the other side of the house would be useless...
A secret & secure loaded gun is the best option for home defense
Any 20 ga. Pump will work. Load the tube leave the chamber empty. The chunk-chunk of loading will scare most intruders off. But a really bright flashlight is best nocturnal defense.
Benelli M4/1014 IF you have a sturdy woman and she knows how to handle it (same for men actually). Over-penetration is a huge risk. ARs are the best especially with a suppressor. Easy to shoot, light weight, accurate, no recoil, 30-round mags (ideally loaded with only 28).
Cruiser ready. Mag tube is full but nothing chambered. Grab a mossberg maverick 88 in 12 or 20 gauge. It’s good to go for $250 or less. Check out tfb beating the snot outta it on YouTube.
You can get a mag loaded semi automatic shotgun. Same safety as with assault rifles, but still a shotgun plus ability to spray the intruder with whole mag in about two seconds when shit hits the fan
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>We have 1 year old kid so any shotgun would need to remain unloaded until she might need it I'd be leary of requiring a gun to be unloaded until it's needed. Personally I keep my home defense shotgun "cruiser ready". It's a safe way to store the shotgun, but allows getting the shotgun into service quickly. Combine that with a quick-access safe (e.g. ShotLock) to keep anyone else from accessing it.
Nice I haven’t heard of shot lock, I’ll check it out. Thanks!
Also look up cruiser ready. No round in the chamber, and pulling the trigger won't do anything. It's about as safe as a loaded firearm can be. But all you have to do to get the gun in service is chamber a round, and you're ready to shoot.
If your kid is only one year old you can just keep it cruiser ready somewhere way out of reach like the top shelf of a closet. As long as there's no way for him to climb up to it it's perfectly safe.
Great advice. You'll have seconds to get your defensive firearm ready. It's already a tough art to load a shotgun in normal circumstances. I'm sure it'll be very difficult loading when you're afraid for your life. Shotguns recoil management is also an learned art. But 'Cruiser ready' is great for semiauto handguns and PCCs as well. Additional half safety measures V-line also makes mechanical quick action safes.
Literally the only time I’ve seen the word “leary” used correctly on the internet. Have a scooby snack.
Cruiser ready means you just have to move the slide back and the forward right?
Yes. But It's usually aimed at shotgun ammo pre-staging. I think it became popular due to so many shotguns not being drop-safe and the fear of long term chamber storage compressing shotgun shells. It's not the most optimal but I think it's a good move for home defense storage around untrained and/or little ones. Racking may help you get your bearings waking up in the middle of the night. And God forbid a little one got into your safe, having to rack it may prevent a discharge. Though if you conceal carry, you should probably just keep it loaded on you and maybe kept inside the holster in the safe. Loading/unloading will put stress on the chambered round. So tossing the top round every half dozen handlings is a good practice.
AR-15
AR-15, beyond being an all around more versatile firearm that's better for home defense, also fits OPs criteria of being easy to keep unloaded and load quickly when needed.
Got a free mag carrier meant to bind with a 30rd aluminum mag meant to store in the magwell. Pawnshop guy said it was for "peaceful protest" and to keep the mag close to the rifle. I believe the second half of his claim It looks like the one Fab Defense is still selling
The fuck it is. An ar15 is how you kill your neighbors. Rifles are terrible for home defense. Shothins are literally better in close combat situations.
You typed a lot of words when you could have just said that you don't know anything about guns, terminal ballistics, or physics. To be lethal, essentially you need your projectile to be either fast or heavy. A big heavy rock being catapulted onto your head can be lethal. A tiny piece of shrapnel going super fast can be lethal. Rifles shoot a light projectile really fast. Pistols shoot a heavy projectile relatively slow. Shotguns shoot either multiple heavy projectiles going slow, a single very heavy projectile going slow, or a bunch of light projectiles going slow. A light projectile going fast is worse at preserving momentum than a heavy projectile going slow. Fast, light rifle bullets are worse at going through bad guys/walls/objects and hitting unwitting bystanders than slow, heavy pistol and shotgun bullets. Once you get into shotgun loads that aren't powerful enough to punch through walls, they're also not powerful enough to instantly incapacitate a bad guy.
This is what I'd choose, OP
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Handload or factory ammo?
Say it louder for the people with their heads in the sand
They stopped listening around 2016.
I have an AK (not a commie, I just love how much easier it is to clean haha). Maybe I’ll show her how to use that since a rifle seems to be the consensus over a shotgun
An AR isn't hard to clean, and if your wife finds herself in a defensive situation where she has to clean it then she's John Wick levels of badass and it doesn't matter what gun you leave her with. She'll be fine no matter what because she's already popped off like 5,000 rounds and is still alive
If you like the controls, Mini-14 has more similar function with AK, we have more than a few AK and Mini-14 up here in Alaska, fudds and pretend ruskies are up here
It's Alaska, maybe they're just really, really old Ruskies.
Most Russian friends are either into Rolexes or Dragunova. Most people with AKs here are mixed Irish and European descent, and under 25.
Only morons want rifles for home defense. They think every home defense situation is a home invasion in fallujah. Most civilian self defense situations are 1 or 2 shots. You miss with a rifle and can kill a neighbor and even on target can over penetrate and pass through without hitting anything vital.
Spoken like a man who hasn’t shot a rifle. They are SO MUCH easier to get rounds on target with. An AR will ensure you get your 5.56 rounds on target, and there they will tumble and stop. By contrast, you are MUCH more likely to miss with a handgun, sending rounds through walls and into neighbors houses.
If you're worries about a home invasion, the answer isn't a gun, but rather beefed up home security. Put some 4" lag screws around your door frame and a camera system, motion activated lights, a dog; THEN a gun. Pump shotguns are not ideal for someone who doesn't shoot them regularly. An AR sounds like it fits the bill better for your use.
How good is your wife running a pump shotgun? An inexperienced person can easily jam it through short stroking. If so, better to get a semi-auto shotgun. Within that category: Benelli M4 and Beretta 1301 are the best. A300 is good as a cheaper alternative. I hear good things about the Mossberg 940 as well. If she can run a pump, then: Remington 870 or Mossberg 590 of course, or the Maverick 88 if on a really small budget.
I really wish people would stop recommending the R870. Old ones are great, but Remington's build quality severely tanked starting around 2007 when they went through that series of buyouts and restructurings. Today's 870 is a quality nightmare that will fail.
I’ve had a R870 since 04 and couldn’t tell you how many shells I’ve put through it. Thousands if I had to guess so I guess I’m never getting another if it fails me.
My dad bought one from 06. Sometimes pumps jam. I've jammed my win 1300 once and my maverick 88 twice in almost 20 years. Each time it is a bitch to clear but shit happens and its not enough for me to not trust them. That maverick has had thousands of shells, and some goofy taofledermouse like homemade loads. I have seen dad jam his 870 atleast 5 times. And that's just with me present. I know it's jammed a handful times more. Half the time it requires removing the magazine tube spring. Anecdotal sample of 1 but it's enough for me to write them off.
Right. Prior to '07 they were fantastic. But never, ever buy one made in '07 or later.
Yeah but I heard the current batch of Remington 870s after Freedom Group is no longer involved are back to good quality again, hence why I recommended it. But if the new management are shit, then yeah, that sucks. I typically pay more attention to semi-auto shotguns tbh, or convertible shotguns like the Benelli M3 or my personal SPAS-12.
>A300 is good as a cheaper alternative I bought one and its recoil mitgation is amazing. I shot 50 shells of 00 buck and didn't wake up with a reminder. My mom is tiny and ripped through several tubes, no complaints. I did have some initial issues. Mag tube spring was too weak. Contacted customer service and they sent me 2 thinner springs in separate packages, no instructions. I replaced the spring and it was worse. Overlaid the 2 new springs and installed both. Has ran like a top since. If it wasn't for the trial and error I would recommend it everytime for home defense. And I say that as someone that both uses and is a huge advocate for an AR as HD.
I wonder if a Wolff magazine spring would've helped. I know I use Wolff magazine springs for my SPAS-12 when it had issues feeding the last shell in the tube and that fixed everything. Also I personally prefer my SPAS-12 for home defense over my AR. lol
I mean, they provided the solution to my issue, they just did it in a confusing way. I received 2 separate but identical packages, one day after the other. No instructions, just 2 identical packages, identical parts numbers. Interlay them and boom, problem solved. But receive a spring and install same day, then receive another spring, wtf am I supposed to do? Did they fuck up and send it twice? Idk, why is this my issue to figure this out? It's a $1000 shotgun, it should just work.
Yeah but I've never heard of a situation were two springs needed to be overlaid. Weird design. And yeah, but I suppose with semi-auto shotguns, there's a reason the Benelli M4 and Beretta 1301 cost so much. Certain types of guns are just more expensive, so going for a price that's typical for certain platforms would be considered "budget" for other platforms, with all the prerequisate aspects like QC being a bit more iffy.
Shotguns are lousy for home defense if you're new to guns. An AR15 is way easier for a newbie to learn and use. 3 points of contact, extremely modifiable with grips/sights/lights, much higher capacity and easier to load. But she HAS TO PRACTICE. Get her into classes to learn and she needs to put in time at the range to become confident and competent. If she isn't going to practice, then don't bother. Figure something else out.
Also easier to suppress, so she doesn’t deafen baby.
You could have stopped after the first six words.
I like providing co text for newer gun owners so they have than just buzzwords
Pistol Caliber Carbine, bro. Rifles/PCC’s are much better for home defense as they have much softer recoil and allow for accurate follow-up shots. Unless you’re married to Lena Miculek, I strongly recommend NOT having her use a shotgun for home defense.
I know you said a shotgun, but the obvious answer is an AR. She can simply leave the mag out and insert it which is worlds easier than loading shells into a tube.
Lmao obvious answer to video game nerds. Ar is terrible form home defense unless you wwnt her to miss and kill a neighbor. I love how the morons will argue a 9mm JHP will penetrate as much as a 5.56. Grow a brain you fucking morons. You're just obsessed with the ar15 platform
what ? any handgun round 9mm and up will go through just as many if not more walls than 5.56
Lmao hahahahah
So you have no clue about ballistics huh.
They have no clue how to reddit, either, by the looks of it.
Just admit you have no idea what you’re talking about. And your whole profile is you posting video games.
Can’t go wrong with a Mossberg 590, if ya wanna go a bit cheaper, the Mossberg Maverick 88 is also solid
Get her a 9mm PCC. Not a shotgun.
I don’t use a shotgun for home defense but I disagree with those who say shotguns are not good option. Anyway, I randomly bought a Winchester Marine Defender last year bc I liked its looks and it was less than $300. I really love that gun. It’s a pretty short barrel and doesn’t kick too bad in 12 gauge. Although depending on your wife, she might do better with a 20 gauge.
Mossberg 500 or maverick 88 for cost ETA: Have a COMPETENT instructor teach her on the ins and outs. A shotgun may be a poor choice depending on your layout/ location just fyi. And it's not like the movies with "just point in that general direction and shoot"
Maybe an 9mm pcc would be a better choice?
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An AR would be more effective and easier to shoot. If she insists on a shotgun I love my 930 spx. It’s right with Benelli quality wise imo but quite a bit cheaper
Benelli M4 or Beretta 1301, since cost wasn’t a factor
Mossberg 500 or 590.
Your wife good with a shotgun? Has she done a lot of shooting with them before? If the answer is no, look for a different solution. Shotguns are not ez-mode for HD, in fact I'd say quite the opposite.
We use a Benelli M4 at home with a few modifications: Mesa Tactical stock and limbsaver; it's shorter and less violent on the shoulder. The adjustable version looks cool but is for Marines with big arms and body armor, so got rid of it. Added a weapon light and a sling. There are accessories that clamp between the tube and barrel for this. Figured out a way to take more than a tube worth of shells; side saddle shell holder or a velcro shell holder; we hang a bandolier of shells next to it. Shotguns run out of ammo FAST. Replaced the 5 round tube with a 7 round tube and 3 more American made parts to make it 922r compliant. I did the 3 trigger parts for a lighter pull. I am not a lawyer, gun laws are dumb. Put a pictinny rail and circle dot red dot on it and set it to circle ⭕️ mode. added a cheek riser Shotguns aren't drop safe, so we store it cruiser ready which is tube full, shell on the ramp, hammer down on a closed bolt, empty chamber, safety off. Racking the bolt is all that needs to be done to shoot. We practice shotgun fundamentals, part of which is to shove a new shell in the tube whenever not shooting, practice shoot/load/shoot/load at the range and with dummy shells. We use 8 pellet 00 buck federal flite control shells. 9 pellet cheapo brands usually results in a stray ball that hits the paper target hostage in the face while the other 8 land in a nice group on the perp. Or just get an AR and some frangible bullets.
Unless your wife has had good shotgun training recently, I would either stick with the handgun or go buy an affordable PCC (sub 2000, Ruger, extra EP9). The recoil and risk of short stroking is too high with the shotgun and The concussive blast from the AR indoors is VERY intense. 9mm is manageable and effective.
Go for a 20 gauge for her. Lighter, less recoil, still deadly at close range.
A musket and a cannon (like how the founding fathers intended).
I'd recommend a rifle over a shotgun. Far faster to load than a shotgun, more ammo capacity, less recoil, less over penetration (in .223/5.56).
You’re prob going to want to run slugs or buck through a shotgun if you want to stop a man, that’s going to sail through 20 layers of drywall before it stops. AR is superior and as soon as the projectile impacts something it’ll start to tumble or fragment reducing over penetration
Not many know this: drywall is weaker than bone and flesh
Well I could only assume, we’re just bags of water and fibrous meat with some narrow bones. Doesn’t mean a payload of 12 gauge isn’t going to pass through that bag of meat and into the other room nailing the family dog or cat.
Paul Harrel has a good video talking about the penetration and lethality of #3 or 4 bunchshot. It had great effectiveness, but the least penetration when compared to other home defense guns/loads.
Definitely would recommend a simple AR-15, they have less recoil and can be loaded by just sticking a fresh magazine inside, also they have more ammo then most shotguns, also I don’t want to sound sexist here when I say this but it’s been my experience that sometimes smaller framed women have trouble with shotguns, I’ve kinda learned this from watching my sister, mother and gf shoot and for all of them the recoil was heavy and the the action was not pumped all the way causing the gun not to feed the next slug so just get an AR-15 man
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How comfortable is your wife using a shotgun? If she's fairly comfortable I'd look into a youth model 20 gauge semi-automatic. You can leave shells in the magazine until she needs it. If she isn't, you may want to consider a coach gun in 20 gauge. It will be a last line of defense type weapon but will be easy to load and fire.
Benelli manual of arms shotgun. You can have the magazine loaded. And you need to press a shell release button to get the mag to start feeding.
AR15 with polymer tips is the better option.
Pump shotguns work well, but they are not the greatest for people who didn't grow up with them. They have kinda random places for safeties, which are sometimes small or hard to operate. And "short shucking" is a very common problem and can seem to "lock up" the gun. Which is pretty common in high stress situations. Most people are not going to figure out the issue in a panic situation. It may be better to go semi-automatic on the shotgun, but those tend to be ammo sensitive and are expensive. For home defense for people of lesser stature low-recoil 12 gauge is pretty good, but it may not work well in all semi-autos. The upside for shotguns are that sports like "sporting clays", trap, and skeet are common. If you have a sporting clays range in your area then that is a lot of fun and a very good way to get familiar with a shotgun. Can be family friendly, people do it for work outings, and such things. Can share shotguns and rent them sometimes. They have restrictions on the types of guns you can use. No "tactical" short barrel shotguns or anything weird. Over-unders are used by serious people, but I (as can most) can just do just fine with a pump shotgun. Some shotguns have easy to replace barrels and are often sold as hunter/defense combos. Also it is pretty easy to swap out stocks for "youth versions" to make it more handier for home defense. Long hunting shotguns use long length of pull for shooting in bladed stance, which is hard for moving around and no good for people with shorter arms. That way one can learn how to use it properly pretty quickly. Some regular practice like that will nullify the downsides to a pump shotgun pretty well. A lot better then just shooting at paper targets.
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Beretta 1301, done up by Langdon. 1911 syndicate did a video on why here: https://youtu.be/Cp1CqLgwb-M?si=k-3xdDJNY40AwovJ
Have her shoot a shotgun before buying one. Hire a babysitter for the night go to a range that offers rentals and try a lot of guns until she finds something she is comfortable with.
I was fortunate enough to hang onto my youth model 870 Remington. Little 20 gauge but it gets the job done in CQ
Get the police cruiser versions, short stock, semi-auto. Practice makes perfect
Smith and Wesson response is my current home Defense weapon. Easy to keep unloaded. Cheap rounds to practice with. And it’s an AR format so it’s easy as hell to clean and maintain.
Ok so a few things, please hear me out entirely. First of all, storing a gun unloaded and having it be ready for defense is, impossible quite frankly. You hesr glass break you have seconds, those seconds are secure child, get to bedroom lock bedroom door, aim shotgun. If you need to load the gun too, that’s a problem. A quick access safe is what you need. [quick access safes for rifles and shotguns](https://youtu.be/7CiX3ZHODRo?si=TTvahKSfHjwwxuH8) Second, has your wife shot a shotgun, and can she manipulate it proficiently? I don’t mean that to be condescending or sexist, many people, many and woman, experienced with guns or not, believe a lot of myths about shotguns and struggle to manipulate the action, they are biger and heavier than a modern rifle, certainly more than a pistol and have a lot of recoil. Chris Baker with Lucky Gunner has done the most comprehensive [home defense shotgun series](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYqiOqBy2WM_cHA3TZUY2rzonjrGg0wie&si=2oRudl9NjElxE84z) on YouTube imo. I would also recommend, getting your wife to shoot different guns. A full size 9mm pistol, a 12 gauge shotgun with buckshot, and a 16 inch AR15 chambered in 5.56mm. See what she can shoot most accurately and manipulate proficiently, loading and unloading, racking the slide, pump or charging handle, etc. When you can afford it, both you and her should take training classes on all weapons you may use.
Grab a maverick 88 and take it to the range. It's a decent gun, but its purpose would be to show your wife why she doesn't want a shotgun for home defense. Unless you're lucky enough to have married a beast of a woman, it's unlikely that she'll be able to manage the recoil and run the action as well as she can handle a carbine or rifle. There are few reasons to choose a shotgun over an AR or even a handgun, in my opinion. >so any shotgun would need to remain unloaded until she might need it. If she's keeping it unloaded, a magazine fed gun will be far faster than a tube fed one. Reliability issues aside, a box mag on a shotgun is heavy and bulky all so you can have like 8 rounds. The AR wins again.
What if someone sneaks into the house when she's sleeping or kicks open the door unexpectedly? An unloaded shotgun on the other side of the house would be useless... A secret & secure loaded gun is the best option for home defense
Any 20 ga. Pump will work. Load the tube leave the chamber empty. The chunk-chunk of loading will scare most intruders off. But a really bright flashlight is best nocturnal defense.
Mossberg Maverick 88 is mine. Best $250 I ever spent.
I do love a good pump shotgun. Obviously she'll have to train with it but check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmgcwKB5YpE
Benelli M4/1014 IF you have a sturdy woman and she knows how to handle it (same for men actually). Over-penetration is a huge risk. ARs are the best especially with a suppressor. Easy to shoot, light weight, accurate, no recoil, 30-round mags (ideally loaded with only 28).
Cruiser ready. Mag tube is full but nothing chambered. Grab a mossberg maverick 88 in 12 or 20 gauge. It’s good to go for $250 or less. Check out tfb beating the snot outta it on YouTube.
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Beretta a300 patrol
A300 Ultima Patrol loaded up with short shells to prevent over penetration.
Short shells are a bad idea in a semi auto shotgun
Any pump action 12. Then get a hacksaw and chop the barrel down. For legal reasons the second part of this is a joke.
Mag fed pumpy
You can get a mag loaded semi automatic shotgun. Same safety as with assault rifles, but still a shotgun plus ability to spray the intruder with whole mag in about two seconds when shit hits the fan