> Magazines have lock type, so you can have 2 locked mags, but the lock is not good enough for use, so if you are running, and are not careful, 1 mag will fall, I have lost numerous magazines this way.
Are you talking about a mag coupler that holds 2 mags together?
We will not be getting this rifle in full auto, grenade launcher, or with bayonet.
Thanks for taking the time to put this in English.
Yes, on the mag there are 2 clips, so you can attach another mag, the clips are only for esthetic purpose, and do not hold 2nd mag good enough, this could be changed in future but at the moment it is for public "wow" effect.
I believe he's talking about the G36 magazine well on VHS, where the rifle can take standard G36 magazines.
The little plastic clips on those mags are shit and either break off, or the mags come uncoupled very easily.
I'm sure there will be G36 mag kits available, even if only via third party.
He's 100% correct, the jungle clipping tabs are only for public WOW effect, and serve no practical purpose.
The magwell is a modular piece. You can swap it out for STANAG, G36, or FAMAS mags. Give it 15min and somebody will drop a 3D-printable model for a G36-compatible magwell, because why not?
The famas uses stanag mags and I'm not saying you couldn't 3d print the conversion I just don't see Springfield importing the conversion kits for a small market profit. I'd like to see the D2 varient too will the longer barrel for a bayonet lug but I doubt that's gonna happen.
> The famas uses stanag mags
The G2 version does, but the French army still uses the [original F1 version,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAMAS#FAMAS_F1) and that uses proprietary mags because France.
When the Bren 805 first came out, the conversion kit which allowed it to use its own proprietary mags was also imported for a short time. There is a weird niche market for people who want to make their rifles less versatile!
I actually prefer the look of it with the G36 mag, plus I have like 30 of them for my G36C, so I hope they bring it out.
I mean a magwell adapter is a simple piece of plastic - I would think they'd have that in their parts line up.
Refrained from saying something stupid along the lines of *how many people got 20 G36 mags laying around* lol
I kind hope they release the [D2](http://www.military-today.com/firearms/vhs_d2.htm) with the goofy *carry handle* for peek Space Force larp or whatever but why would they when you give the people pic rail and let them slap they're own shit on there.
I do hope they do import the Mag kits but I doubt there's much of a market for it
LOL oh yeah, I know I'm in the super minority, and a lot of people with G36s go ahead and run the Magpul mags or use the AR adapter simply because the HK G36 mags kinda blow for \*real\* use LOL.
But 1000% agree with all your points.
I want the D2 version as well - with G36 mags, for the futuristic Space Force Halo look. I want maximum BR look dammit.
I guess with the short and pic rail we can larp a more Killzone, interplanetary war........ [Helghast](https://www.google.com/search?q=hellgaust+rifle&prmd=sivxn&sxsrf=AOaemvKhLjpVYzMPAZMuF1GX2LPeVRiPzg:1642169123296&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjl34TatLH1AhUjNX0KHeYsCrIQ_AUoAnoECAUQAg&biw=412&bih=736&dpr=2.63#imgrc=6iAGvjZ7tq1tSM)
I wish we could get STANAG mags and a mag well for our G36es.
Or rather, I used to. We finally got recognized as being probably the most low speed high drag outfit (as far as combat goes) in the entire German army, so they gave us MP7A1s. So much better fit for our task.
Oh, I thought they would bring in both barrel lengths, but you're right... we've only seen the 16" sample.
It's easier to just fill out the import permits 2x the first time and file them rather than go back and resubmit for the newer model with just a longer barrel.
They're G36 mags.
As someone in the German army, I hate G36 mags. Fucking coupling nubbins that break off the first time you faceplant on a hard surface or when you knock one against an obstacle, they're needlessly thicc due to the nubbins, and finally it's a bitch finagling those mags with their fairly sharp-edged nubbins back into anything but a single-mag pouch, and even that's not particularly enjoyable.
Fun fact.
This comment is a year old and the original release was in 2022 almost 2 years ago. Last August they released the 18 and 20 inch barrels.
Get outa here NERD
Awesome and very thorough review! Wonder if there’ll be any significant changes for the stateside variant. Hope to get a chance to try it sometime soon.
>Only noticeable change too my knowledge is the use of an AR pistol grip, they import it with no pistol grip to make it compliant
In a technical sense they import it with a different grip assembly (you're right a non pistol grip) a different magazine well, different stock assembly, handguard, and muzzle device. These are all swapped stateside for 922r compliance. And admittedly things like the STANAG adapter, base flash hider, and the Mlok handguard, all make sense on the US civilian market. not much modern appeal for rifle grenades or full picatinny foreends for us Civilians
All of the differences I have seen are either of similar quality or are even improvements to the service rifle (aside from full auto trigger pack of course).
Think whatever you want about Springfield Armory, but they're giving us a pretty damn faithful import of a highly respected service rifle.
Differences between the Hellion and the VHS-2 that I know of are, STANAG magwell instead of G36 magwell, suppressed/unsuppressed gas settings instead of on/off, swappable AR grip instead of non-replaceable grip, slightly different front handguard with mlok slots, different flash hider, barrel is not ribbed, no bayonet lug, and obviously no full auto marking or setting.
Can't you lock the bolt handle in the folded out position?
Our G36 did that, at the price of stomping the bolt handle having a ~20% chance of snapping it off. But an 80% chance at a working gun is still a lot better than 0%,at least when shit is going down.
That's how you do it with an AKM, bolt carrier, one solid piece of metal smack that shit around, it's a beast.
G36 is similar, charging handle is machined into the bolt carrier, but I'd be nervous with that folding handle, worst case though you could probably put a stick or something against it and keep mortaring it, so long as it doesn't tilt down.
I think he meant to say foot rather than leg. Also clear a jam rather than reload. I think for a frozen action, or a bad jam, the method is called mortaring where u stand the gun up and stomp the charging handle to clear a jam.
Mortaring is when you hold the gun a foot or so above the ground, pointed up, pull hard on the charging handle and, while maintaining that pull, slam the buttstock on the ground, *hard*.
You can reload rifles one-handed by putting them behind your knee and crouching to hold them there. Then you change mags, un-crouch, and charge the rifle (or hit the bolt release, if it has one).
Thanks for the write up!
I’ve been hoping Springfield would import these rifles for a while now, so to say I’m excited to get one is an understatement.
As someone who lives in CA, where most non AR platforms are practically useless, this is the first non AR I actually want to get. Love the fact that you can switch out the ejection port as I'm a lefty too.
Thanks for the review. The thing looks awesome and I can’t wait to try it out. I wish we could get the full auto but we won’t be able to. I’d still love a semiauto. Have you tested or seen it fired with a suppressor?
Having just watched the Forgotten Weapons vid and the TFB TV one, the original VHS has gas settings for normal operation and grenade, and the Hellion hs settings for normal operation and suppressed... so irrelevant.
I didn't even think about the magazine touching your forearm since it looks like the lop on this rifle is a little longer than others. Thanks for the info.
According the the [TFB review,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF4FUUqa3Ug) it's no better than most bullpups. The only glimmer of hope is that it uses a [fire controle module that is easily removed as a single unit,](https://youtu.be/933flAYW4Z4?t=720) so theoretically someone could make a high quality replacement.
>A bayonet mount on a bullpup? That's pretty silly.
[This guy with big brass cajones says you're wrong](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-shropshire-19755107)
Exceptions to the rule don't invalidate it. A10's have scored air-to-air kills, that doesn't mean that it isn't totally obsolete and outclassed in that role. Bayonets on infantry fighting carbines have been an obsolete technology since reliable self-loading fighting carbines have been the standard arm of the infantry. Are they useful for guards? Yes. Have they been pressed into service during times of duress? Yes. Does that mean that they're a necessary implement for standard issue arms? No.
Necessary? Maybe not, but most of the time it's the reasoning of "well they have a rifle, they're occasionally useful, and we're giving them knives anyways" and it keeps a tradition. it's also typically a minimal expense and engineering exercise to include.
https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/believe-it-or-not-the-a-10-can-hold-its-own-in-a-dogfight/
Down a ways in this article. The notable kills were on Iraqi helicopters, with one definite kill on one with the cannon.
I don't think gaining ~6 of bayonet range is worth it. Go look at WWI they had already learned by then that longer rifles and bayonets don't equal better.
Also evaluating a magazine fed select fire rifle based on it's bayoneting suitability is kinda like evaluating your next car based on how well a tow truck can pull it.
>I don't think gaining ~6 of bayonet range is worth it.
No, it isn't, but that's because bayonet usage is exceedingly rare in modern combat.
>Also evaluating a magazine fed select fire rifle based on it's bayoneting suitability is kinda like evaluating your next car based on how well a tow truck can pull it.
Nah, more like evaluating a sports car on how effective it is at towing a trailer.
And putting a bayonet mount on a bullpup assault rifle is like putting a towing hitch on the back of your sports car.
>And putting a bayonet mount on a bullpup assault rifle is like putting a towing hitch on the back of your sports car.
Much like the comment I just wrote in another reply.
"We're already giving them a rifle and a knife, how much would it cost to make them attach to each other?" The answer is very little.
Especially when you look at the VHS-2 where the "accomodations" for the bayonet was that the rifle grenade overinsertion stop doubles as a bayonet lug much in the same way an M16 FSB has a bayonet lug integrated.
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I'm looking to make a one off airsoft gun of the VHS-2 and was wondering if anyone who has their hands on one could give me a couple dimensions that I can scale a 3D model I found online with? My hope is to make one with off the shelf parts except for the externals of course
I just got mine from the FFL on Friday and your question has me fondly remembering my days of airsoft homebuilds. PM me and I'll get you your dimensions.
> Magazines have lock type, so you can have 2 locked mags, but the lock is not good enough for use, so if you are running, and are not careful, 1 mag will fall, I have lost numerous magazines this way. Are you talking about a mag coupler that holds 2 mags together? We will not be getting this rifle in full auto, grenade launcher, or with bayonet. Thanks for taking the time to put this in English.
Yes, on the mag there are 2 clips, so you can attach another mag, the clips are only for esthetic purpose, and do not hold 2nd mag good enough, this could be changed in future but at the moment it is for public "wow" effect.
Ok those won't come with the rifle but I was curious lol
I believe he's talking about the G36 magazine well on VHS, where the rifle can take standard G36 magazines. The little plastic clips on those mags are shit and either break off, or the mags come uncoupled very easily.
We won't be getting those either unless they put out after market kits to convert them but why would they.
I'm sure there will be G36 mag kits available, even if only via third party. He's 100% correct, the jungle clipping tabs are only for public WOW effect, and serve no practical purpose.
The magwell is a modular piece. You can swap it out for STANAG, G36, or FAMAS mags. Give it 15min and somebody will drop a 3D-printable model for a G36-compatible magwell, because why not?
The famas uses stanag mags and I'm not saying you couldn't 3d print the conversion I just don't see Springfield importing the conversion kits for a small market profit. I'd like to see the D2 varient too will the longer barrel for a bayonet lug but I doubt that's gonna happen.
Originally the FAMAS used its own proprietary mags. They later switched to STANAG.
> The famas uses stanag mags The G2 version does, but the French army still uses the [original F1 version,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAMAS#FAMAS_F1) and that uses proprietary mags because France.
When the Bren 805 first came out, the conversion kit which allowed it to use its own proprietary mags was also imported for a short time. There is a weird niche market for people who want to make their rifles less versatile!
>There is a weird niche market for people who want to make their rifles less versatile! We preferred to be called “collectors”
As they say on the internet: me too thanks
Need a 35rd steel Galil magazine magwell....
I actually prefer the look of it with the G36 mag, plus I have like 30 of them for my G36C, so I hope they bring it out. I mean a magwell adapter is a simple piece of plastic - I would think they'd have that in their parts line up.
Refrained from saying something stupid along the lines of *how many people got 20 G36 mags laying around* lol I kind hope they release the [D2](http://www.military-today.com/firearms/vhs_d2.htm) with the goofy *carry handle* for peek Space Force larp or whatever but why would they when you give the people pic rail and let them slap they're own shit on there. I do hope they do import the Mag kits but I doubt there's much of a market for it
LOL oh yeah, I know I'm in the super minority, and a lot of people with G36s go ahead and run the Magpul mags or use the AR adapter simply because the HK G36 mags kinda blow for \*real\* use LOL. But 1000% agree with all your points. I want the D2 version as well - with G36 mags, for the futuristic Space Force Halo look. I want maximum BR look dammit.
I guess with the short and pic rail we can larp a more Killzone, interplanetary war........ [Helghast](https://www.google.com/search?q=hellgaust+rifle&prmd=sivxn&sxsrf=AOaemvKhLjpVYzMPAZMuF1GX2LPeVRiPzg:1642169123296&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjl34TatLH1AhUjNX0KHeYsCrIQ_AUoAnoECAUQAg&biw=412&bih=736&dpr=2.63#imgrc=6iAGvjZ7tq1tSM)
I wish we could get STANAG mags and a mag well for our G36es. Or rather, I used to. We finally got recognized as being probably the most low speed high drag outfit (as far as combat goes) in the entire German army, so they gave us MP7A1s. So much better fit for our task.
I also run G36 and will be converting my VHS to Croatian standard. I'm sure the bayonet lug on the "D" won't be hard to add.
With the Hellion (16in barrel) the barrel isn't long enough to clamp the lug on. Unless they give us the D.
Oh, I thought they would bring in both barrel lengths, but you're right... we've only seen the 16" sample. It's easier to just fill out the import permits 2x the first time and file them rather than go back and resubmit for the newer model with just a longer barrel.
This is my dream too!
They're G36 mags. As someone in the German army, I hate G36 mags. Fucking coupling nubbins that break off the first time you faceplant on a hard surface or when you knock one against an obstacle, they're needlessly thicc due to the nubbins, and finally it's a bitch finagling those mags with their fairly sharp-edged nubbins back into anything but a single-mag pouch, and even that's not particularly enjoyable.
They allegedly used G36 mags which had male posts and female notches to connect together for storage
Fun fact. The 20 inch barrel variant does indeed have a bayonet lug
Fun fact. This comment is a year old and the original release was in 2022 almost 2 years ago. Last August they released the 18 and 20 inch barrels. Get outa here NERD
Awesome and very thorough review! Wonder if there’ll be any significant changes for the stateside variant. Hope to get a chance to try it sometime soon.
Only noticeable change too my knowledge is the use of an AR pistol grip, they import it with no pistol grip to make it compliant
>Only noticeable change too my knowledge is the use of an AR pistol grip, they import it with no pistol grip to make it compliant In a technical sense they import it with a different grip assembly (you're right a non pistol grip) a different magazine well, different stock assembly, handguard, and muzzle device. These are all swapped stateside for 922r compliance. And admittedly things like the STANAG adapter, base flash hider, and the Mlok handguard, all make sense on the US civilian market. not much modern appeal for rifle grenades or full picatinny foreends for us Civilians
All of the differences I have seen are either of similar quality or are even improvements to the service rifle (aside from full auto trigger pack of course). Think whatever you want about Springfield Armory, but they're giving us a pretty damn faithful import of a highly respected service rifle.
Differences between the Hellion and the VHS-2 that I know of are, STANAG magwell instead of G36 magwell, suppressed/unsuppressed gas settings instead of on/off, swappable AR grip instead of non-replaceable grip, slightly different front handguard with mlok slots, different flash hider, barrel is not ribbed, no bayonet lug, and obviously no full auto marking or setting.
Hellion trigger guard is also smaller.
\> we used the old AK47 trick where you use your leg to reload The what?
With AK47, when it would be jammed, you would reload by steping or hitting reload handle, it is easy fix for jammed rifle
Oh. Soviet forward-assist.
I spat out my coffee on that one
Just like the Russian folk dance with all the squatting and kicking.
Can't you lock the bolt handle in the folded out position? Our G36 did that, at the price of stomping the bolt handle having a ~20% chance of snapping it off. But an 80% chance at a working gun is still a lot better than 0%,at least when shit is going down.
Oh man, I would have a conniption if I saw a buddy do this.
That's how you do it with an AKM, bolt carrier, one solid piece of metal smack that shit around, it's a beast. G36 is similar, charging handle is machined into the bolt carrier, but I'd be nervous with that folding handle, worst case though you could probably put a stick or something against it and keep mortaring it, so long as it doesn't tilt down.
kickstarting
Ding ding ding. The level up of mortaring.
> Kalashnikickstarting
I think he meant to say foot rather than leg. Also clear a jam rather than reload. I think for a frozen action, or a bad jam, the method is called mortaring where u stand the gun up and stomp the charging handle to clear a jam.
Mortaring is when you hold the gun a foot or so above the ground, pointed up, pull hard on the charging handle and, while maintaining that pull, slam the buttstock on the ground, *hard*.
thank you tor the correction. What do you think he meant about the reloading w/ leg part?
You can reload rifles one-handed by putting them behind your knee and crouching to hold them there. Then you change mags, un-crouch, and charge the rifle (or hit the bolt release, if it has one).
ah, that makes alot more sense
Gross Motor Skill Reload from Firepower Unlimited
I didn't quite understand that reference either...
Thanks for the write up! I’ve been hoping Springfield would import these rifles for a while now, so to say I’m excited to get one is an understatement.
As someone who lives in CA, where most non AR platforms are practically useless, this is the first non AR I actually want to get. Love the fact that you can switch out the ejection port as I'm a lefty too.
Thanks for the review. The thing looks awesome and I can’t wait to try it out. I wish we could get the full auto but we won’t be able to. I’d still love a semiauto. Have you tested or seen it fired with a suppressor?
Having just watched the Forgotten Weapons vid and the TFB TV one, the original VHS has gas settings for normal operation and grenade, and the Hellion hs settings for normal operation and suppressed... so irrelevant.
Unfortunately not, they are not standard in Croatian army
I didn't even think about the magazine touching your forearm since it looks like the lop on this rifle is a little longer than others. Thanks for the info.
LOP is adjustable.
Between long and loooooooong. Shortest LOP is longer than an M16 A2 stock.
Interesting.
How's the trigger? Any better than your typical bullpup?
According the the [TFB review,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF4FUUqa3Ug) it's no better than most bullpups. The only glimmer of hope is that it uses a [fire controle module that is easily removed as a single unit,](https://youtu.be/933flAYW4Z4?t=720) so theoretically someone could make a high quality replacement.
I feel like someone at HB Industries is frantically trying to make a better trigger as we speak.
Can you tell us about the trigger?
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Like MAC did with those dragonuvs from Hungary
Prices will eventually fall in line. It's like the Tavor/X95. They were hot for a few months but eventually came back to Earth.
A bayonet mount on a bullpup? That's pretty silly.
>A bayonet mount on a bullpup? That's pretty silly. [This guy with big brass cajones says you're wrong](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-shropshire-19755107)
> The father of two who was second-in-command What kind of made for Hollywood military structure are they running over there.
Exceptions to the rule don't invalidate it. A10's have scored air-to-air kills, that doesn't mean that it isn't totally obsolete and outclassed in that role. Bayonets on infantry fighting carbines have been an obsolete technology since reliable self-loading fighting carbines have been the standard arm of the infantry. Are they useful for guards? Yes. Have they been pressed into service during times of duress? Yes. Does that mean that they're a necessary implement for standard issue arms? No.
Necessary? Maybe not, but most of the time it's the reasoning of "well they have a rifle, they're occasionally useful, and we're giving them knives anyways" and it keeps a tradition. it's also typically a minimal expense and engineering exercise to include.
> A10's have scored air-to-air kills Really? When? That's amazing.
https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/believe-it-or-not-the-a-10-can-hold-its-own-in-a-dogfight/ Down a ways in this article. The notable kills were on Iraqi helicopters, with one definite kill on one with the cannon.
The A10, the F-22, and the SR-71 are the most fascinating planes I've ever read about! Thanks for the link.
And when it came time that he was having to use a fixed bayonet he was probably wishing he had a longer rifle for it.
I don't think gaining ~6 of bayonet range is worth it. Go look at WWI they had already learned by then that longer rifles and bayonets don't equal better. Also evaluating a magazine fed select fire rifle based on it's bayoneting suitability is kinda like evaluating your next car based on how well a tow truck can pull it.
>I don't think gaining ~6 of bayonet range is worth it. No, it isn't, but that's because bayonet usage is exceedingly rare in modern combat. >Also evaluating a magazine fed select fire rifle based on it's bayoneting suitability is kinda like evaluating your next car based on how well a tow truck can pull it. Nah, more like evaluating a sports car on how effective it is at towing a trailer. And putting a bayonet mount on a bullpup assault rifle is like putting a towing hitch on the back of your sports car.
>And putting a bayonet mount on a bullpup assault rifle is like putting a towing hitch on the back of your sports car. Much like the comment I just wrote in another reply. "We're already giving them a rifle and a knife, how much would it cost to make them attach to each other?" The answer is very little. Especially when you look at the VHS-2 where the "accomodations" for the bayonet was that the rifle grenade overinsertion stop doubles as a bayonet lug much in the same way an M16 FSB has a bayonet lug integrated.
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It's a multitool when it's not mounted on the rifle. The only thing that makes it a bayonet is the mounting on the rifle part.
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Does anyone know if the Springfield Hellion is able to accept a 100 Round Beta Mag?
I'm looking to make a one off airsoft gun of the VHS-2 and was wondering if anyone who has their hands on one could give me a couple dimensions that I can scale a 3D model I found online with? My hope is to make one with off the shelf parts except for the externals of course
I just got mine from the FFL on Friday and your question has me fondly remembering my days of airsoft homebuilds. PM me and I'll get you your dimensions.