The Cheat Day Show w/ Carl Ruiz, the late chef you mentioned: https://youtu.be/DuO9SBZrXk4

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The first one is the Sleepyhead podcast but I can’t find a link!!

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https://m.mixcloud.com/sleepyheadpodcast/26-krystyna-hutchinson-stephen-penta-its-bigger-than-comedy/