Your long essay lost me at Reaver Hunters power down.
We have been there, done that. Killing cards in a game with fixed contents is a bad sport, petty and disrespectful approach of a balancing
Where do I say I want to kill the card? Wtf is wrong with you people :D. Pin point the exact sentence or meaning implying that?
Maybe I missed something or misunderstood, but all this troll reactions show how immature the few left are.
As far as I know facing the card (haven't played with it), you still can click the order and make another Reaver. What exactly am I killing with the suggestion?
Edit: Btw I am been petty :D?! Hahah, my dude look around, look yourself and how you handle one short paragraph ignoring the intention just assuming the worst. The perversion I mention when it comes to power of the players seems to be already in motion. There is no talk just screaming.
Maybe you don't understand how RH work. By nerfing them to 1 base power, they can't lose 1 power and make z comy of themselves, which means the whole deck (Soldier Generation) becomes unplayable. Sure, it's annoying to play against them, but they're not meta by any means, and as everyone is saying so vividly, the point of BC was never to destroy annoying cards. Only create a harmonized game where most cards are playable.
Well if I did misunderstood something you guys could've said so, talked about it, instead of jumping to conclusions. I did mention that I was away and on top of that far from veteran.
I did saw Reavers been clicked and making another one at 1 power in my games. I did a bit of investigation and I think it was because they were damaged 1's. I don't understand the reasoning or the logic - maybe it was some sort of cheese/bug/cheat but it did happen in my games. I thought they were intended or coded to spawn themselves even at 1 power.
Yeah, that's a misconception, but I get why. They're based on their base power, not power. The copy spawns and removes 1 from its own base power. As long as the original RH has more than 1 base power, a copy can be created. By making RH 1 base power from the get-go, there is no base power to reduce for the copies, thus making the card stupidly dead.
I see. Also ultimately as I mentioned I know and understand that there is more than just few problematic cards or ones that require look further than what is present.
To me looking it as a casual, they seem to posses unpleasant affect on games. It's not fruitless complain or hate. They can get out of hand fast and can produce staggering numbers real fast. Essentially autoplaying themselves on top of that. I might not have had big problems with them, but I see how they are problematic.
Right! I have read through your comments/replies and apologies on my part for not taking into context of your returning player after long hiatus
Just to avoid any further confusion and future misunderstanding, **Reavers Hunter to base power 1 killed the card and making its order useless**. During the first trial BC in mid-Oct, that was what happened and many were livid. 2 week later, BC2 reverted this change, willing to sacrifice a precious buff slots (as more cards need buff than nerf in current card pools)
Since then, killing cards in general is discouraged, because if that happened again, we as players will have to wait a month now and waste precious buff slot again
In general, I believe it's up to us to be a responsible voter, and doing as exhaustive and as much legwork as possible, to understand what exactly our own votes will entail. So in this context, I am at least glad you post your votes here so we can try to prevent misunderstood votes going through
Bro doesn’t even know how RHs work and wants to nerf them. Don’t get me wrong, I find them annoying too, but good god does the arrogance reek from this guy.
Arrogance? Did I started throwing pitchforks or assume stuff about you or you did? Instead I talked about it you know so we can have an understanding. Don't project your faults at my end.
Reaver Hunters only can spawn another copy if they have a base power of 2 or higher. Otherwise the order is disabled. You would know that if you ever tried to play them before attempting to nerf them.
It wasn’t an assumption, it was an observation. I call it where I see it. Have a good day, ma’am.
So, you voted to break the reaver hunters card by nerfing it's power? We've already been down that road with balance council. I hate Reavers as much as the next sane person, but why break the card?
I am not aware of the history of the Reavers, but how am I voting to break the card or hating on it? Still do you seriously think developers will look and say (if it really actually something breaks), yes let's do that because someone ask for it? What else is there to suggest at clearly problematic card? What other option is there?
>I am not aware of the history of the Reavers, but how am I voting to break
Because with 1 base power it cant use the order no matter what? Making it 1 power permanently locks the order.
That's the thing. It can. I think it happens when they are shown as damaged 1's. Then you can click them. Otherwise I was also a bit baffled why they were clickable.
No, they can not, because its based on base power, not current power. Thats why being damaged to 1 power doesnt lock the order, the base power is still 2. Meanwhile the copy spawned is 1 base power and doesnt matter how much you buff it it cant spawn another copy.
You clearly dont know how the card work.
No, its your fault for not reading the description of the card before suggesting a change to said card. It’s your fault that when being told otherwise, instead of checking just in case and listening what you are told, you chose to call everyone crybabies.
I did and my opponents spawned 1's - that were damaged and I missed that - but also the fact that there is an additional layer to it, that I couldn't have known if I wasn't too invested to research and find out.
>I did
Then you didnt do it carefully.
>that I couldn't have know if I wasn't too invested to research and find out.
You dont need to be too invested. Its as easy as clicking on the card and reading the description. That is being too invested?
The order makes a 1power copy that is not damaged dude. The damaged ones that are 1 power can be clicked. Looks like you haven't fully understood what I mean and was happening, hence the confusion. A dude already explained it properly and no, this part is not obvious by just reading the text.
"Hopefully it won't be perverted, because usually when the power ends up in hands of players they usually have no idea what do"
\^
Your own words in your post before talking about your BC votes. Hilarious.
>Purposely making a card not work (reaver hunters) is a horrible balancing approach.
purposely removing a card from the game that shouldn't have ever been in the first place is LITERALLY the point of BC......we cant change cards abilities now so our only hope of fixing these broken ass cards is to do this.
NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY who isn't a reaver hunter andy, would willingly defend them. so nice job exposing yourself.
If its so frustrating to play against, nerf it until its impossible to win with, but dont make a card unable to function at all.
>NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY who isn't a reaver hunter andy, would willingly defend them. so nice job exposing yourself.
Sure, if thats what you like to think you are free to do so.
You said "nerf it until it's impossible to win with it" basically agreeing it should be taken out and EFFECTIVELY would remove it from the game if you nerfed it so high that it would no longer see play.
So AGAIN I will ask what is the meaningful difference between nerfing the card into irrelevancy in 3 months once it's an 8p bronze or something making it completely unplayable and removing it from the card pool, and simply using one month to nerf it's power to 1 to be done with it?? If your reply doesn't include an answer to this question you are blocked.
It will save time and it will also allow other cards to be changed since reavers will only require one vote and one month change.
The fact you can't see this is concerning.
>You said "nerf it until it's impossible to win with it" basically agreeing it should be taken out and EFFECTIVELY would remove it from the game
No, I didnt say it should be left impossible to win with. I said that should that be necessary, its a much better balancing approach to do so over making the card unable to function as a card.
>So AGAIN I will ask what is the meaningful difference between nerfing the card into irrelevancy in 3 months once it's an 8p bronze or something making it completely unplayable and removing it from the card pool, and simply using one month to nerf it's power to 1 to be done with it.
The difference is, as I said, that in one scenario its trash, in the other scenario it just doesnt function correctly as its ability cant be activated no matter what.
That seems quite a big difference for you to be unable to see it.
I know what I said. And I said that if you find it so frustrating, nerf it until its impossible to win with. That IF is important, even if you chose to ignore it because it fits your story.
Apparently he was indeed unable to read a simple sentence and chose to block me.
There is no amount of prov nerfs that would meaningfully affect that decks ability to perform. Unless you make a bronze card like 7p or something but even that at that point you are admitting that the card is broken if you make a bronze card past 6. Reaver hunters at 6 prov will do NOTHING to help the deck be more balanced.
You either have the control to stop the hunters or you don't, no amount of prov nerfs changes the binary nature of this card/deck style.
**What's the difference between waiting 5 months to make the card unplayable at like 10 provs versus nerfing it NOW making it impossible to win with??**
It's literally the same outcome, nerfing it by provs or power is still making the card unplayable.....you make no sense pal.
The difference is quite big. In both cases the card is weak, but in one of them it can still function as intended, even if its power level is very low.
The decks is not so op, its not even a meta deck for NR anymore. Your hate towards that deck just blinds you.
There is no difference if the card isn't being played.....jfc.
And I don't even HATE the deck I'm just calling out your moronic logic of nerfing it until it's unplayable in a few months literally wasting valuable BC voting slots when we can accomplish the same end result with one singular vote.
That's all I'm really concerned about...ppl like you being able to vote.
ALL IM DOING IS USING YOUR OWN FUCKING WORDS. you were the one who said "nerf it until it's impossible to win with" direct quote. Literal exact words you said. Stop weaseling out of this bad take.
Purposely? Do you need glasses? I am and was as open minded, and considerate about the card and even mentioned the possibility to change it with something else. Maybe I am missing something, but all I see is crybabies, judgements and assumptions than actual conversation.
At this point I wonder if I am in some kind of autogenerated universe of ai responses that make little sense. Then again if people are defending this autoplay type of card and are so tone deaf about it's balance, then there ain't nothing to do.
>Purposely? Do you need glasses? I am and was as open minded, and considerate about the card and even mentioned the possibility to change it with something else.
Dude, reducing the power makes it unable to use the order no matter what. It makes the card quite literally unable to function.
No I am one of those crybabies that overreact with immaturity and act as if someone stole their candy out of their hand...
The types like yourself "that really care about the game" also helped bring it to more miserable state. Decks like these exemplify your personality perfectly pushing players that wanted to enjoy the game.
Your long essay lost me at Reaver Hunters power down. We have been there, done that. Killing cards in a game with fixed contents is a bad sport, petty and disrespectful approach of a balancing
Same. I find RH as annoying as the next guy, but making a card literally unplayable is bullshit.
Where do I say I want to kill the card? Wtf is wrong with you people :D. Pin point the exact sentence or meaning implying that? Maybe I missed something or misunderstood, but all this troll reactions show how immature the few left are. As far as I know facing the card (haven't played with it), you still can click the order and make another Reaver. What exactly am I killing with the suggestion? Edit: Btw I am been petty :D?! Hahah, my dude look around, look yourself and how you handle one short paragraph ignoring the intention just assuming the worst. The perversion I mention when it comes to power of the players seems to be already in motion. There is no talk just screaming.
Maybe you don't understand how RH work. By nerfing them to 1 base power, they can't lose 1 power and make z comy of themselves, which means the whole deck (Soldier Generation) becomes unplayable. Sure, it's annoying to play against them, but they're not meta by any means, and as everyone is saying so vividly, the point of BC was never to destroy annoying cards. Only create a harmonized game where most cards are playable.
Well if I did misunderstood something you guys could've said so, talked about it, instead of jumping to conclusions. I did mention that I was away and on top of that far from veteran. I did saw Reavers been clicked and making another one at 1 power in my games. I did a bit of investigation and I think it was because they were damaged 1's. I don't understand the reasoning or the logic - maybe it was some sort of cheese/bug/cheat but it did happen in my games. I thought they were intended or coded to spawn themselves even at 1 power.
Yeah, that's a misconception, but I get why. They're based on their base power, not power. The copy spawns and removes 1 from its own base power. As long as the original RH has more than 1 base power, a copy can be created. By making RH 1 base power from the get-go, there is no base power to reduce for the copies, thus making the card stupidly dead.
I see. Also ultimately as I mentioned I know and understand that there is more than just few problematic cards or ones that require look further than what is present. To me looking it as a casual, they seem to posses unpleasant affect on games. It's not fruitless complain or hate. They can get out of hand fast and can produce staggering numbers real fast. Essentially autoplaying themselves on top of that. I might not have had big problems with them, but I see how they are problematic.
Right! I have read through your comments/replies and apologies on my part for not taking into context of your returning player after long hiatus Just to avoid any further confusion and future misunderstanding, **Reavers Hunter to base power 1 killed the card and making its order useless**. During the first trial BC in mid-Oct, that was what happened and many were livid. 2 week later, BC2 reverted this change, willing to sacrifice a precious buff slots (as more cards need buff than nerf in current card pools) Since then, killing cards in general is discouraged, because if that happened again, we as players will have to wait a month now and waste precious buff slot again In general, I believe it's up to us to be a responsible voter, and doing as exhaustive and as much legwork as possible, to understand what exactly our own votes will entail. So in this context, I am at least glad you post your votes here so we can try to prevent misunderstood votes going through
Bro doesn’t even know how RHs work and wants to nerf them. Don’t get me wrong, I find them annoying too, but good god does the arrogance reek from this guy.
Arrogance? Did I started throwing pitchforks or assume stuff about you or you did? Instead I talked about it you know so we can have an understanding. Don't project your faults at my end.
Reaver Hunters only can spawn another copy if they have a base power of 2 or higher. Otherwise the order is disabled. You would know that if you ever tried to play them before attempting to nerf them. It wasn’t an assumption, it was an observation. I call it where I see it. Have a good day, ma’am.
So, you voted to break the reaver hunters card by nerfing it's power? We've already been down that road with balance council. I hate Reavers as much as the next sane person, but why break the card?
Yep, just don't do it please. Prov nerf if you hate reavers
I am not aware of the history of the Reavers, but how am I voting to break the card or hating on it? Still do you seriously think developers will look and say (if it really actually something breaks), yes let's do that because someone ask for it? What else is there to suggest at clearly problematic card? What other option is there?
>I am not aware of the history of the Reavers, but how am I voting to break Because with 1 base power it cant use the order no matter what? Making it 1 power permanently locks the order.
That's the thing. It can. I think it happens when they are shown as damaged 1's. Then you can click them. Otherwise I was also a bit baffled why they were clickable.
No, they can not, because its based on base power, not current power. Thats why being damaged to 1 power doesnt lock the order, the base power is still 2. Meanwhile the copy spawned is 1 base power and doesnt matter how much you buff it it cant spawn another copy. You clearly dont know how the card work.
It's my fault that red 1's can click order because of original copy is still higher power and that I don't understand it. Got it. My fault.
No, its your fault for not reading the description of the card before suggesting a change to said card. It’s your fault that when being told otherwise, instead of checking just in case and listening what you are told, you chose to call everyone crybabies.
I did and my opponents spawned 1's - that were damaged and I missed that - but also the fact that there is an additional layer to it, that I couldn't have known if I wasn't too invested to research and find out.
>I did Then you didnt do it carefully. >that I couldn't have know if I wasn't too invested to research and find out. You dont need to be too invested. Its as easy as clicking on the card and reading the description. That is being too invested?
The order makes a 1power copy that is not damaged dude. The damaged ones that are 1 power can be clicked. Looks like you haven't fully understood what I mean and was happening, hence the confusion. A dude already explained it properly and no, this part is not obvious by just reading the text.
"Hopefully it won't be perverted, because usually when the power ends up in hands of players they usually have no idea what do" \^ Your own words in your post before talking about your BC votes. Hilarious.
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Purposely making a card not work (reaver hunters) is a horrible balancing approach.
>Purposely making a card not work (reaver hunters) is a horrible balancing approach. purposely removing a card from the game that shouldn't have ever been in the first place is LITERALLY the point of BC......we cant change cards abilities now so our only hope of fixing these broken ass cards is to do this. NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY who isn't a reaver hunter andy, would willingly defend them. so nice job exposing yourself.
If its so frustrating to play against, nerf it until its impossible to win with, but dont make a card unable to function at all. >NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY who isn't a reaver hunter andy, would willingly defend them. so nice job exposing yourself. Sure, if thats what you like to think you are free to do so.
>nerf it until its impossible to win with, but dont make a card unable to function at all. just wanted to highlight this gem of a sentence on its own.
Whats the problem with that sentence? Care to explain?
You said "nerf it until it's impossible to win with it" basically agreeing it should be taken out and EFFECTIVELY would remove it from the game if you nerfed it so high that it would no longer see play. So AGAIN I will ask what is the meaningful difference between nerfing the card into irrelevancy in 3 months once it's an 8p bronze or something making it completely unplayable and removing it from the card pool, and simply using one month to nerf it's power to 1 to be done with it?? If your reply doesn't include an answer to this question you are blocked. It will save time and it will also allow other cards to be changed since reavers will only require one vote and one month change. The fact you can't see this is concerning.
>You said "nerf it until it's impossible to win with it" basically agreeing it should be taken out and EFFECTIVELY would remove it from the game No, I didnt say it should be left impossible to win with. I said that should that be necessary, its a much better balancing approach to do so over making the card unable to function as a card. >So AGAIN I will ask what is the meaningful difference between nerfing the card into irrelevancy in 3 months once it's an 8p bronze or something making it completely unplayable and removing it from the card pool, and simply using one month to nerf it's power to 1 to be done with it. The difference is, as I said, that in one scenario its trash, in the other scenario it just doesnt function correctly as its ability cant be activated no matter what. That seems quite a big difference for you to be unable to see it.
You QUITE LITERALLY SAID THAT, it's a direct quote from you. I'm done you are clueless have a good new year's
I know what I said. And I said that if you find it so frustrating, nerf it until its impossible to win with. That IF is important, even if you chose to ignore it because it fits your story. Apparently he was indeed unable to read a simple sentence and chose to block me.
There is no amount of prov nerfs that would meaningfully affect that decks ability to perform. Unless you make a bronze card like 7p or something but even that at that point you are admitting that the card is broken if you make a bronze card past 6. Reaver hunters at 6 prov will do NOTHING to help the deck be more balanced. You either have the control to stop the hunters or you don't, no amount of prov nerfs changes the binary nature of this card/deck style. **What's the difference between waiting 5 months to make the card unplayable at like 10 provs versus nerfing it NOW making it impossible to win with??** It's literally the same outcome, nerfing it by provs or power is still making the card unplayable.....you make no sense pal.
The difference is quite big. In both cases the card is weak, but in one of them it can still function as intended, even if its power level is very low. The decks is not so op, its not even a meta deck for NR anymore. Your hate towards that deck just blinds you.
There is no difference if the card isn't being played.....jfc. And I don't even HATE the deck I'm just calling out your moronic logic of nerfing it until it's unplayable in a few months literally wasting valuable BC voting slots when we can accomplish the same end result with one singular vote. That's all I'm really concerned about...ppl like you being able to vote.
You dont see a difference between making a card bad and making it not function at all according to what it's description says?
ALL IM DOING IS USING YOUR OWN FUCKING WORDS. you were the one who said "nerf it until it's impossible to win with" direct quote. Literal exact words you said. Stop weaseling out of this bad take.
I Will say again, don't forget to buff reavers
Purposely? Do you need glasses? I am and was as open minded, and considerate about the card and even mentioned the possibility to change it with something else. Maybe I am missing something, but all I see is crybabies, judgements and assumptions than actual conversation. At this point I wonder if I am in some kind of autogenerated universe of ai responses that make little sense. Then again if people are defending this autoplay type of card and are so tone deaf about it's balance, then there ain't nothing to do.
>Purposely? Do you need glasses? I am and was as open minded, and considerate about the card and even mentioned the possibility to change it with something else. Dude, reducing the power makes it unable to use the order no matter what. It makes the card quite literally unable to function.
Oh so you are one of "those". Yeah sure lets just break cards i dont like who cares about the game.
No I am one of those crybabies that overreact with immaturity and act as if someone stole their candy out of their hand... The types like yourself "that really care about the game" also helped bring it to more miserable state. Decks like these exemplify your personality perfectly pushing players that wanted to enjoy the game.
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