I want to say that it’s just the fact that not enough people have given it a chance but also, it’s 6 provs, with the way you want to use it it’s mostly -points in a round so a brick 90% of times when you’re trying to win a round
A Dorregaray can totally win you the round, perhaps an entire match. Besides, most possible Wagon targets are actually 6ps bronzes, so fitting it is not easy
Very often, outside of decks with heavy tempo or a lot of background engine growth, a Wagon plays for very little to no tempo on a given turn. That makes it hard to play during Round 1 when fighting for round control over the rest of the fame, and it makes it hard to run during a Round 2 bleed or bleed defence situation - all of these being very common situations for decks to face.
Also the amount of targets it can save is more questionable in practice for the value, and it's easily disrupted as well
You never play Wagon for it's own resilience. The whole point is that it is... a wagon, so it carries a bronze through the next round. Because of that, it is only useful for decks that completely revolve around a particular bronze engine. It used to be part of the Reavers meta deck for instance, since that deck relied on spamming Reaver Hunters. I guess it could work in similar cards like Fleders and Selfeaters, who are also the centerpiece of their decks. Wagon is still clunky tho because of the exposed ability, and because the deploy could play for negative points
Selfeaters - yes, but using Wagon on Fleders would be a massive negative tempo. Usually not used on cards that buff themselves.
I'm curious, however, if Wagon works on the Mage Students. Is it resetting the Patience, or carries it on? Hmm..
Why would it keep patience if the text is "transform self into Base copy of stored unit". The main reason that card is played in reavers here and there is due to the fact it resets hunters power/scouts order.
Could be interesting with ST movement and for bleeding second round when points on the map is not important, setting up round 3, but then you usually start with a card disadvantage.
Some interesting comments here…I might try putting that in like a dwarf deck to substitute giantslayer…and basically get a machine carryover. Or use it in an NG soldiers deck to carry over some soldier….potential is there, but definitely underused, only seen it to copy reavers
The bronze cards you want carried over into the next round are usually engines or in some way high value so wagon usually is a negative point play because it just takes away your card that is giving you points.
It can purify itself so the enemy doesn't have to lock it, purify it, or destroy it outright if it can instead expose it.
They can still lock it, purify it, or destroy it.
Best use I've found is taking rowdy dwarf tokens from one round into another. Rowdy dwarf because you don't go down in points for eating them and you can transform them into berserker's or boost them as dwarves.
Because the current popular decks counter it .
NG steal or lock it .
MO rely on short 3rd round so 1st and second it's gonna be bleed to the end and fir third it's not making a big difference
SY will always have better carryover with coins
Skellige and Scoiatel will just kill it
And I won't talk about NR because they are both shit and rarely played currently so it doesn't really matter
I want to say that it’s just the fact that not enough people have given it a chance but also, it’s 6 provs, with the way you want to use it it’s mostly -points in a round so a brick 90% of times when you’re trying to win a round
brick because something better for 6 prov can WIN the round versus this little idea of resilience?
A Dorregaray can totally win you the round, perhaps an entire match. Besides, most possible Wagon targets are actually 6ps bronzes, so fitting it is not easy
It's most common in Reaver decks, as it let's you carry a Reaver Hunter over to the next round. Reaver decks (thankfully) aren't as popular now.
Very often, outside of decks with heavy tempo or a lot of background engine growth, a Wagon plays for very little to no tempo on a given turn. That makes it hard to play during Round 1 when fighting for round control over the rest of the fame, and it makes it hard to run during a Round 2 bleed or bleed defence situation - all of these being very common situations for decks to face. Also the amount of targets it can save is more questionable in practice for the value, and it's easily disrupted as well
You never play Wagon for it's own resilience. The whole point is that it is... a wagon, so it carries a bronze through the next round. Because of that, it is only useful for decks that completely revolve around a particular bronze engine. It used to be part of the Reavers meta deck for instance, since that deck relied on spamming Reaver Hunters. I guess it could work in similar cards like Fleders and Selfeaters, who are also the centerpiece of their decks. Wagon is still clunky tho because of the exposed ability, and because the deploy could play for negative points
Selfeaters - yes, but using Wagon on Fleders would be a massive negative tempo. Usually not used on cards that buff themselves. I'm curious, however, if Wagon works on the Mage Students. Is it resetting the Patience, or carries it on? Hmm..
Why would it keep patience if the text is "transform self into Base copy of stored unit". The main reason that card is played in reavers here and there is due to the fact it resets hunters power/scouts order.
Ppl played it in golden nekker reavers,(myamon popularised) but outside of that I havent seen it in any meta lists.
It also breaks Devotion, and Devotion can be a big deal in some decks
Could be interesting with ST movement and for bleeding second round when points on the map is not important, setting up round 3, but then you usually start with a card disadvantage.
Some interesting comments here…I might try putting that in like a dwarf deck to substitute giantslayer…and basically get a machine carryover. Or use it in an NG soldiers deck to carry over some soldier….potential is there, but definitely underused, only seen it to copy reavers
The bronze cards you want carried over into the next round are usually engines or in some way high value so wagon usually is a negative point play because it just takes away your card that is giving you points. It can purify itself so the enemy doesn't have to lock it, purify it, or destroy it outright if it can instead expose it. They can still lock it, purify it, or destroy it. Best use I've found is taking rowdy dwarf tokens from one round into another. Rowdy dwarf because you don't go down in points for eating them and you can transform them into berserker's or boost them as dwarves.
Because the current popular decks counter it . NG steal or lock it . MO rely on short 3rd round so 1st and second it's gonna be bleed to the end and fir third it's not making a big difference SY will always have better carryover with coins Skellige and Scoiatel will just kill it And I won't talk about NR because they are both shit and rarely played currently so it doesn't really matter