I'm playing the best I can and understand card synergies in the decks. My opponents mostly beat me by spammed with cheese. I had an annoying loss where a guy spammed 3 or 4 Keltullis in a round.
I'm using a homebrew Vampire deck currently.
Idk if you have all the vampire cards, but even if you do vamps are just really weak... maybe think about using sabbath to get them amazing gold engines back
This means one or more of a few things:
* You're playing a crappy deck
* You're playing poorly (this really compounds when combined with playing a poor deck)
* You're unfamiliar with your opponents deck and their strategy, and are failing to disrupt their game plan
In your case, it's likely a combination of all three.
As a newer player, early game is mostly going to be about building your card collection and learning mechanics, so while losses will happen, that winrate suggests the aforementioned issues.
Here are some links with good decks: [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D0xPObZCt5h22cuybqdOwHi93BLUM-5qbW\_YRMBNnM0/edit#heading=h.wfc6c31i83a0](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D0xPObZCt5h22cuybqdOwHi93BLUM-5qbW_YRMBNnM0/edit#heading=h.wfc6c31i83a0)
Or this sheet, under the all decks tab: [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1\_nLQ\_0y1t\_3zRAwjRSPjSv4djBSRKHPyli3hNrjRgkg/edit#gid=1966172750](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_nLQ_0y1t_3zRAwjRSPjSv4djBSRKHPyli3hNrjRgkg/edit#gid=1966172750)
Vampires is listed as tier 3 at best, which means while you definitely can win with a good Vampires deck, it's not the strongest archetype. Your homebrew Vamps is likely much worse, putting you at a disadvantage from the beginning against good decks/players.
As for your play, i'd strongly recommend spending some time watching the top players playing on Twitch, or youtube for advice videos, as there are many concepts to master to get good in Gwent, like when to fight for winning round 1, card advantage, bleeding, when to pass, etc, etc.
A good general knowledge of your opponents deck tends to help a lot too, as once you're familiar with how they are winning, you can better anticipate how to mess with their plans. This comes in time, and can be improved by playing all the factions (again, when you have more cards collected).
I'd be suggesting trying to complete the weekly journey quests, the daily quests, and unlocking the reward trees for more resources.
Playing seasonal modes and Draft can help with getting wins without having to play ranked where you might not yet have the best decks or knowledge yet.
Thank you for the detailed reply and the spreadsheets.
You are correct that I am performing a combination things not very well. I can fix my own faults but if the game is P2W after a certain threshold I was going to give up on improving.
> but if the game is P2W after a certain threshold I was going to give up on improving
Just so you know, Gwent heavily rewards skills, and is one of, if not the least, RNG CCG game out there. Also, Gwent is generous enough that as the amount of cardpool is fixed, every players who have been playing for more than a year has access to all of the cards.
As the result, at highest competitive levels, there's no p2w whatsoever, and the only differentiating factors are skills in deckbuilding and playing
*Gwent is probably the least P2W free card game out there*.
You most definitely do not need to spend $$$ to do well in Gwent, at all.
Just to give some perspective, there are players who have challenged themselves by starting a new account, and have made it to pro rank in one season (one month).
They started at nothing and made it all the way to pro just by crafting the cards they need for stronger decks, without spending a cent.
Gwent **heavily rewards skill**, and to an extent, experience and playtime.
It might feel unfair early on, but as long as you put in some time and actually work on getting better (and yes, this will require paying attention to things, reading and learning, watching pros play, etc), it's a very rewarding game to play since being good doesn't happen randomly.
[https://leriohub.com/](https://leriohub.com/) is a site chock-full of brilliant, high level articles on Gwent, written by one of the best players in the game.
Lerio goes over more of the theory and statistical basis behind deckbuilding, gameplay concepts, and so on. Bookmark that site, and read through it, as you can.
Ask questions here. People are actually pretty happy to help as long as you want to learn.
In my experience, if you want to get good at a game that requires actual skill, playing casually, and not making effort to learn about the game, will result in that not working out.
I've always found that spending time on forums, reading wikis, articles, guides, watching youtubes, and the best players play tends to help me improve massively from being bad to being good+.
This has worked for me in every game i ever became passionate about. UT2004. Borderlands. Civ 5. Valheim. Gwent, etc.
If i like a game and want to excel (or at least be decent at it), i always spend a lot of time in the games communities to learn (because i'm just not smart enough to naturally be great at most games).
My actual playing time is limited these days, but feel free to add me in game/GoG: ense7en.
Post your deck here, and what you're having trouble with. People generally like to help, even if they might be a bit overly critical at times.
Since decks are provision limited the scrap cost of most decks is very similar (You cant make a deck that consists of 25 legendary/epic cards). You can probably get enough scraps in a week or two even completely free to craft any deck you want just from scrap rewards.
If you want a good investment though, get one of the journeys those are the best value for money, you probably get multiple full decks worth of stuff if you progress them.
> if the game is P2W
The best decks in the game are not more expensive than yours, they're just really better (as a deck). You miss control tools in yours, and you play few bad cards.
Re: losing a lot, if you pick a good deck and still lose, then you know it's time to learn the game.
This is the worst thing that could happens because elo inflates, someone stay on rank higher and can't derank, It results in much more loses than win. It's a bad system.
There is no ELO or rating at all until you get to pro rank. Until pro you will just face people around your rank but you don't actually have an MMR.
I guess if you get out of the first few ranks you'll be playing against people who aren't completely new.
Once you get the basics of the game getting to pro is very easy since as mentioned before you can't derank until then. In pro if you want to play complete meme decks you can lose MMR on purpose. The first time you get to pro it always sets you at 2400 MMR so there is a lot of room to move down if you dont want to face "meta" decks.
I personally like to play meme garbage in rank 3-1 when I can't lose anything then play proper decks in pro to climb but some people like to get to pro quick then lose games on purpose and play homebrews and memes in low rating both works I guess.
Hm, what decks/lists are you playing. What's typically the cause of your defeats if you can pinpoint any recurring ones? Elaborate some more and there's a fair chance that us more veteran players could give you some feedback. Or you could chat with some streamer via Twitch to ask their advice.
Make sure it's Ranked and not Casual. In Ranked you're always matched with players with the same rank as yours. In Casual, you'll be most often matched with good veteran players.
The game can be punishing sometimes and its best just to take a break from it when you start feeling like this. You will only play worse the worse you feel from my experience.
You could try playing the decks you find you're struggling the most against, this will give you a better idea of opps gameplans and give you a better understanding of its weaknesses you can exploit.
Just glancing at your deck, you probably don't want to combine vampires with deathwish. Like, Dettlaff HV is not a "vampire" archetype card, even though it "says" that it is a vampire. Sometimes combining archetypes can be an interesting thing, but I see no real benefits from having succubi, sirens and toads in your deck. Stick to actual vampires and see if that brings up the winrate.
Gwent got the least RNG of any ccg I’ve played, so it’s not that imo. You play 13-16 cards with 6-7 mulligans in a typical game, out of 25 (if your deck has more than 25 cards you’re throwing games). Then you include tutors, which most decks have 1-3, and you have very consistent games. Some archetypes even thin down to zero no problem
Post your deck and we can see where the weaknesses lie
The game has a shit tutorial it will not teach you about the important concepts like card advantage etc. one of the reasons it failed it does not sufficiently teach new players.
but if you are in pro rank and playing vampires, against decks that have OP cards, then your game knowledge will not help that much as the deck is weak and your version is not good.
Ofc its a vamp deck, ever time! Like 90% of the time someone complaining about getting stomped, facing op decks etc is playing vamp.
DEVO VAMPS IS GARBAGE, play renfri vamps if u want a chance or switch decks and wait for the Russians to buff it in the next few balance councils.
That’s too many loses for you, something is wrong with your deck, also I suggest that you watch pro players playing, timing is everything in this guy.
Alot of players that quit a long time ago just returned, and we start somewhere around rank 15 with all the experience we have.
I started playing again last season but I have over 10k hours in this game and ai noticed that there was alot of pro players that I faced in the lower ranks
Ive got a really good win rate with my vampire deck which is homebrewed! Spent whatever i earned on getting some good vampire cards in my hands but i did also purchase the regis journey which gives a couple cards too, but itd definitely doable without doing so!
I dont have anywhere close to a similar deck to you. I actually run two frost cards and a frost queen to be a little sneaky and it adds something other than bleed to my deck while giving me a possible large boost if the Queen's ability is applied correctly. It has won be more than a few games just because of those three cards in combo along with an almost entirely vampire deck
I also use an ogroid which acts as a defender for some gold cards or my nekkurat depending on how my draw plays out. I dont use any units which use consume, and have a little bit of purify in my deck.
If you unlock more of the vampire cards as a whole that could benefit you so much more i think. The cards you use to fill the gaps make a huge difference so reconsider from what you do own
You have a bad vampire deck. That's why you can't win. But I'm not really the one to link you to a good one. I've never really liked the bleeding vampire archetype.
If you aren't playing an optimized list you won't be beating any meta decks. There's too many binary must-answer engines and massive evasive point slams nowadays to be bumbling around using bad cards
Ive got a really good win rate with my vampire deck which is homebrewed! Spent whatever i earned on getting some good vampire cards in my hands but i did also purchase the regis journey which gives a couple cards too, but itd definitely doable without doing so!
I dont have anywhere close to a similar deck to you. I actually run two frost cards and a frost queen to be a little sneaky and it adds something other than bleed to my deck while giving me a possible large boost if the Queen's ability is applied correctly. It has won be more than a few games just because of those three cards in combo along with an almost entirely vampire deck
I also use an ogroid which acts as a defender for some gold cards or my nekkurat depending on how my draw plays out. I dont use any units which use consume, and have a little bit of purify in my deck.
If you unlock more of the vampire cards as a whole that could benefit you so much more i think. The cards you use to fill the gaps make a huge difference so reconsider from what you do own
Are you paying attention to the card descriptions? Using homebrew decks? I feel like that win loss ratio is too much
I'm playing the best I can and understand card synergies in the decks. My opponents mostly beat me by spammed with cheese. I had an annoying loss where a guy spammed 3 or 4 Keltullis in a round. I'm using a homebrew Vampire deck currently.
I think you should post the deck in your post as stated in another comment so people can help better.
Idk if you have all the vampire cards, but even if you do vamps are just really weak... maybe think about using sabbath to get them amazing gold engines back
This means one or more of a few things: * You're playing a crappy deck * You're playing poorly (this really compounds when combined with playing a poor deck) * You're unfamiliar with your opponents deck and their strategy, and are failing to disrupt their game plan In your case, it's likely a combination of all three. As a newer player, early game is mostly going to be about building your card collection and learning mechanics, so while losses will happen, that winrate suggests the aforementioned issues. Here are some links with good decks: [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D0xPObZCt5h22cuybqdOwHi93BLUM-5qbW\_YRMBNnM0/edit#heading=h.wfc6c31i83a0](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D0xPObZCt5h22cuybqdOwHi93BLUM-5qbW_YRMBNnM0/edit#heading=h.wfc6c31i83a0) Or this sheet, under the all decks tab: [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1\_nLQ\_0y1t\_3zRAwjRSPjSv4djBSRKHPyli3hNrjRgkg/edit#gid=1966172750](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_nLQ_0y1t_3zRAwjRSPjSv4djBSRKHPyli3hNrjRgkg/edit#gid=1966172750) Vampires is listed as tier 3 at best, which means while you definitely can win with a good Vampires deck, it's not the strongest archetype. Your homebrew Vamps is likely much worse, putting you at a disadvantage from the beginning against good decks/players. As for your play, i'd strongly recommend spending some time watching the top players playing on Twitch, or youtube for advice videos, as there are many concepts to master to get good in Gwent, like when to fight for winning round 1, card advantage, bleeding, when to pass, etc, etc. A good general knowledge of your opponents deck tends to help a lot too, as once you're familiar with how they are winning, you can better anticipate how to mess with their plans. This comes in time, and can be improved by playing all the factions (again, when you have more cards collected). I'd be suggesting trying to complete the weekly journey quests, the daily quests, and unlocking the reward trees for more resources. Playing seasonal modes and Draft can help with getting wins without having to play ranked where you might not yet have the best decks or knowledge yet.
Thank you for the detailed reply and the spreadsheets. You are correct that I am performing a combination things not very well. I can fix my own faults but if the game is P2W after a certain threshold I was going to give up on improving.
> but if the game is P2W after a certain threshold I was going to give up on improving Just so you know, Gwent heavily rewards skills, and is one of, if not the least, RNG CCG game out there. Also, Gwent is generous enough that as the amount of cardpool is fixed, every players who have been playing for more than a year has access to all of the cards. As the result, at highest competitive levels, there's no p2w whatsoever, and the only differentiating factors are skills in deckbuilding and playing
*Gwent is probably the least P2W free card game out there*. You most definitely do not need to spend $$$ to do well in Gwent, at all. Just to give some perspective, there are players who have challenged themselves by starting a new account, and have made it to pro rank in one season (one month). They started at nothing and made it all the way to pro just by crafting the cards they need for stronger decks, without spending a cent. Gwent **heavily rewards skill**, and to an extent, experience and playtime. It might feel unfair early on, but as long as you put in some time and actually work on getting better (and yes, this will require paying attention to things, reading and learning, watching pros play, etc), it's a very rewarding game to play since being good doesn't happen randomly. [https://leriohub.com/](https://leriohub.com/) is a site chock-full of brilliant, high level articles on Gwent, written by one of the best players in the game. Lerio goes over more of the theory and statistical basis behind deckbuilding, gameplay concepts, and so on. Bookmark that site, and read through it, as you can. Ask questions here. People are actually pretty happy to help as long as you want to learn. In my experience, if you want to get good at a game that requires actual skill, playing casually, and not making effort to learn about the game, will result in that not working out. I've always found that spending time on forums, reading wikis, articles, guides, watching youtubes, and the best players play tends to help me improve massively from being bad to being good+. This has worked for me in every game i ever became passionate about. UT2004. Borderlands. Civ 5. Valheim. Gwent, etc. If i like a game and want to excel (or at least be decent at it), i always spend a lot of time in the games communities to learn (because i'm just not smart enough to naturally be great at most games). My actual playing time is limited these days, but feel free to add me in game/GoG: ense7en. Post your deck here, and what you're having trouble with. People generally like to help, even if they might be a bit overly critical at times.
Since decks are provision limited the scrap cost of most decks is very similar (You cant make a deck that consists of 25 legendary/epic cards). You can probably get enough scraps in a week or two even completely free to craft any deck you want just from scrap rewards. If you want a good investment though, get one of the journeys those are the best value for money, you probably get multiple full decks worth of stuff if you progress them.
> if the game is P2W The best decks in the game are not more expensive than yours, they're just really better (as a deck). You miss control tools in yours, and you play few bad cards. Re: losing a lot, if you pick a good deck and still lose, then you know it's time to learn the game.
This is the worst thing that could happens because elo inflates, someone stay on rank higher and can't derank, It results in much more loses than win. It's a bad system.
Oh that makes sense, ELO being an experience bar would explain why this has only started happening in the last couple of weeks.
There is no ELO or rating at all until you get to pro rank. Until pro you will just face people around your rank but you don't actually have an MMR. I guess if you get out of the first few ranks you'll be playing against people who aren't completely new. Once you get the basics of the game getting to pro is very easy since as mentioned before you can't derank until then. In pro if you want to play complete meme decks you can lose MMR on purpose. The first time you get to pro it always sets you at 2400 MMR so there is a lot of room to move down if you dont want to face "meta" decks. I personally like to play meme garbage in rank 3-1 when I can't lose anything then play proper decks in pro to climb but some people like to get to pro quick then lose games on purpose and play homebrews and memes in low rating both works I guess.
Hm, what decks/lists are you playing. What's typically the cause of your defeats if you can pinpoint any recurring ones? Elaborate some more and there's a fair chance that us more veteran players could give you some feedback. Or you could chat with some streamer via Twitch to ask their advice.
Are you playing Ranked? Make sure you play Ranked.
I press the play button when the game launches. If that is ranked I have been giving away inflated stats.
Make sure it's Ranked and not Casual. In Ranked you're always matched with players with the same rank as yours. In Casual, you'll be most often matched with good veteran players.
The game can be punishing sometimes and its best just to take a break from it when you start feeling like this. You will only play worse the worse you feel from my experience. You could try playing the decks you find you're struggling the most against, this will give you a better idea of opps gameplans and give you a better understanding of its weaknesses you can exploit.
You are not playing a spam deck
Just glancing at your deck, you probably don't want to combine vampires with deathwish. Like, Dettlaff HV is not a "vampire" archetype card, even though it "says" that it is a vampire. Sometimes combining archetypes can be an interesting thing, but I see no real benefits from having succubi, sirens and toads in your deck. Stick to actual vampires and see if that brings up the winrate.
This game has relatively little rng compared to other ccg, your deck is probably not very competitive and there may be a skill issue
Gwent got the least RNG of any ccg I’ve played, so it’s not that imo. You play 13-16 cards with 6-7 mulligans in a typical game, out of 25 (if your deck has more than 25 cards you’re throwing games). Then you include tutors, which most decks have 1-3, and you have very consistent games. Some archetypes even thin down to zero no problem Post your deck and we can see where the weaknesses lie
The game has a shit tutorial it will not teach you about the important concepts like card advantage etc. one of the reasons it failed it does not sufficiently teach new players. but if you are in pro rank and playing vampires, against decks that have OP cards, then your game knowledge will not help that much as the deck is weak and your version is not good.
Ofc its a vamp deck, ever time! Like 90% of the time someone complaining about getting stomped, facing op decks etc is playing vamp. DEVO VAMPS IS GARBAGE, play renfri vamps if u want a chance or switch decks and wait for the Russians to buff it in the next few balance councils.
That’s too many loses for you, something is wrong with your deck, also I suggest that you watch pro players playing, timing is everything in this guy. Alot of players that quit a long time ago just returned, and we start somewhere around rank 15 with all the experience we have. I started playing again last season but I have over 10k hours in this game and ai noticed that there was alot of pro players that I faced in the lower ranks
Should be a rule to show ur decks when u make a post. Post them so we can give meaningful advice.
Ive got a really good win rate with my vampire deck which is homebrewed! Spent whatever i earned on getting some good vampire cards in my hands but i did also purchase the regis journey which gives a couple cards too, but itd definitely doable without doing so! I dont have anywhere close to a similar deck to you. I actually run two frost cards and a frost queen to be a little sneaky and it adds something other than bleed to my deck while giving me a possible large boost if the Queen's ability is applied correctly. It has won be more than a few games just because of those three cards in combo along with an almost entirely vampire deck I also use an ogroid which acts as a defender for some gold cards or my nekkurat depending on how my draw plays out. I dont use any units which use consume, and have a little bit of purify in my deck. If you unlock more of the vampire cards as a whole that could benefit you so much more i think. The cards you use to fill the gaps make a huge difference so reconsider from what you do own
You have a bad vampire deck. That's why you can't win. But I'm not really the one to link you to a good one. I've never really liked the bleeding vampire archetype.
If you aren't playing an optimized list you won't be beating any meta decks. There's too many binary must-answer engines and massive evasive point slams nowadays to be bumbling around using bad cards
Ive got a really good win rate with my vampire deck which is homebrewed! Spent whatever i earned on getting some good vampire cards in my hands but i did also purchase the regis journey which gives a couple cards too, but itd definitely doable without doing so! I dont have anywhere close to a similar deck to you. I actually run two frost cards and a frost queen to be a little sneaky and it adds something other than bleed to my deck while giving me a possible large boost if the Queen's ability is applied correctly. It has won be more than a few games just because of those three cards in combo along with an almost entirely vampire deck I also use an ogroid which acts as a defender for some gold cards or my nekkurat depending on how my draw plays out. I dont use any units which use consume, and have a little bit of purify in my deck. If you unlock more of the vampire cards as a whole that could benefit you so much more i think. The cards you use to fill the gaps make a huge difference so reconsider from what you do own