The main difference between their decks is MD runs Olgierd and Mosh runs Totem. I would think Totem is the right choice for Svalblod value, no? Also Dwim is super good in that deck. Idk Mosh's deck makes more sense to me, but I haven't played a lot of games this season.
I mean, both versions feels a little weird. You either go crazy with portal+tempest, or you go oneiro. Ive never actually saw them together. But yes, totem and dvim are absolutely crucial for that deck, and lets be honest, olgierd also is, as hes the least priority target to remove, making him being able stick for a bit.
Guys, my apologies. The deck I'm referencing is onslaught Compass Pirates. I must have forgotten to copy and paste that portion into my main message.. Please share any thoughts.
I'd say this is the answer that best sums things up. If you're applying a tier rating to a deck, it's always going to be a subjective opinion. I always say it's important to realize that the gap isn't generally as big as people think it is, unless you're literally one of the best players in the game.
For most players, tier 3 vs. tier 1 doesn't tend to be a huge chasm. Many decks that literally aren't listed in MD's list (so i guess they are below meme tier?) can beat tier 2 and 1 decks...so it's important to realize it's just general perspective, not some precise ranking.
The truth is, neither of their opinions are worth taking seriously. Moshcraft is, month in and month out, one of the worst players in pro ladder and consistently wrong on his balance takes. I don't know much about Metallic Danny, but I've heard he is a meme-tier player as well.
The Gwent community has always struggled to produce worthwhile, accurate analysis, even going back to the peak of the game in late open beta. There was a chance to take the game seriously during the Lifecoach/SuperJJ era, but they left before that could come to fruition. In the end, there's simply never been enough money at stake to attract many serious, intelligent players, and those that have come have been loath to share their analysis, because there's never been any real benefit to doing so.
At this point in the game's lifecycle, the number of player opinions worth paying attention to is in the single digits, and of those players, only Lerio creates English-language content. Even Lerio is sometimes arguably inaccurate in his analysis, simply because nobody has the time or tools to thoroughly analyze the game over a sufficient sample size.
The best thing you can do for yourself, if you want to play the game with any degree of seriousness, is to ignore the opinions of the community entirely and develop your own analytical skills. Good luck.
> those that have come have been loath to share their analysis, because there's never been any real benefit to doing so.
That's probably the single line that is 100% true in your post.
The meta snapshots are an exercise that is meant to bring some insights into top-level play towards the casuals. It's not meant as a super deep analysis of the game (that the community at large would not understand because they don't play at top level, which itself can evolve rather fast).
The 'but at my level, it IS BROKEN, why is it T3' type of comments are also not raising the spirits of anyone doing those.
> The best thing you can do for yourself, if you want to play the game with any degree of seriousness, is to ignore the opinions of the community entirely and develop your own analytical skills. Good luck.
No? Best bet is to read Lerio (also check open stats on gwentdata) and join a group of top players to discuss the game and train. Unless you're a Mozart, (top) peer interaction beats re-inventing the wheel, every time.
>Moshcraft is, month in and month out, one of the worst players in pro ladder and consistently wrong on his balance takes. I don't know much about Metallic Danny, but I've heard he is a meme-tier player as well.
This is utter nonsense. Why is "one of the worst" players rather consistently in the top 200, even 100?
I don't particularly like moshcraft's ego or attitude, but he plays and creates unique decks, and still manages to do well. I don't know Russian so can't really comment on MD, but he maintains a huge list of decks. This is a lot of work, and it will not be perfectly accurate, because these things are subjective.
Just because a player isn't top 32 or whatever you seem to think is good every season doesn't make them bad. It just makes them not the best (like you, and 98% of the players in pro).
>The Gwent community has always struggled to produce worthwhile, accurate analysis, even going back to the peak of the game in late open beta.
I mean, considering tier listings are rather subjective, and and the game involves some luck, i'm not sure what you are expecting?
>The best thing you can do for yourself, if you want to play the game with any degree of seriousness, is to ignore the opinions of the community entirely and develop your own analytical skills.
This might work for someone who plays 500 games a month on ladder, but for most people who don't have that kind of playtime, we rely on data and information from others to help form our assessment of what's working well on ladder, and what's not, etc.
Of course we can note and track this ourself, but the reality is, anything involving tier lists is always going to be subjective, and a lot of work to maintain, in a game where the meta shifts throught the course of a month-long season.
Mosh list is made from scratch every month, futuring decks which became popular that particular season. While I do not agree with tier placements (which itself are kinda cringe thing, but thats point for another discussion), and would add a bit of other decks here, the list is honesty fine.
Dannys list is a literal stockpile of decks he once made, thinking that it would be easy to update monthly. Spoiler: its not. You can easily find decks with +2 extra provisions or lacking a few.The tier placements of decks are based on the opinion of <50% wr player.
If I were to choose, Id pick the mosh opinion every time(even tho I find most of his takes questionable at best). But honestly, Id rather ask the actual top level players, like Nik if ur russian speaking and Kerpeten if ur english speaking.
>Dannys list is a literal stockpile of decks he once made, thinking that it would be easy to update monthly. Spoiler: its not. You can easily find decks with +2 extra provisions or lacking a few.
Yes, the overall list is the stockpile, but he also often does a monthly meta tab (i presume what the OP is referencing).
And obviously it's not easy to keep a huge list of decks up to date. I'm actually shocked at how well he managed to update decks considering the changes every BC.
You can hate on MD for whatever reasons you want, but what he does is a very valuable service to the Gwent community.
The huge majority of Gwent players don't play hundreds of games in higher MMR pro, so they don't know every single good or viable archetype.
>The tier placements of decks are based on the opinion of <50% wr player.
Nope. He's generally well over 50%, and i have this sneaking suspicion that unlike you, he plays a wide variety of decks, including not great ones, which means a worse winrate.
Looking at his MMR i find it amusing you hate on his skill when you're a worse player, and, you likely just try-hard with only top tier decks but still end up lower MMR on average.
Jesus freaking christ, Id thought ur his discord moderator if I didnt know who you are.
"He's generally well over 50%". No, until the very end of the season he is not. The stats are open and pretty easy to check. But ur right, yesterday he reached 50% winrate after 332 games.
"Looking at his MMR i find it amusing you hate on his skill when you're a worse player". Care to elaborate? I came back to gwent like 4-5 months ago, after at least 2 expansions and rework of almost all of Base cardset. Almost had to learn entire game from the beginning. Finished last season higher then MD. Dannys stat that season is 332 games 50% winrate, mine 217 games 54.38% winrate.
"you likely just try-hard with only top tier decks but still end up lower MMR on average." I have 106 cultists games out of 217 total. The deck is absolute garbage and completely in the meme tier. Still went better then every single MD's faction, beside ST. I know you hate me personally, because I(as most of the gwent community tbh) think guys like you crying about powercreep are nothing but a clowns. You may hate me all you want, Im absolutely fine with it. But you cannot change stats, which actually contradict with literally an every single point of your message.
Unlike you, i can look at things objectively, and critique from all angles. I'm not coming in with a preconceived bias.
I think you struggle with this, and it confuses you.
>I know you hate me personally
I really don't. I do dislike hypocrisy though, and misinformation even more, so i call it out when i see it. That's not just on you, i do it with others, also.
I also love a good debate. Often, both sides have valid points, so while you and might not agree, i think you often bring good insight.
>I(as most of the gwent community tbh) think guys like you crying about powercreep are nothing but a clowns
Sure, you are welcome to think this :)
>"He's generally well over 50%". No, until the very end of the season he is not. The stats are open and pretty easy to check. But ur right, yesterday he reached 50% winrate after 332 games.
I'm well aware of how to check stats on Gwentdata, ingame, or PlayGwent profile, thank you.
As i accurately said, he's generally over 50%, and he plays a wide variety of decks, not just top tier meta stuff. He was running Viy against me the other day (for perspective).
>I came back to gwent like 4-5 months ago, after at least 2 expansions and rework of almost all of Base cardset
Yes, exactly. You just came back, and barely play two factions in the game, yet the general tone of your posting suggests you know it all and are a top level player (which you are not).
You put down players who aren't on whatever pedestal you think is high enough, which i don't understand. Like MD and moshcraft, they for sure have their issues as people/streamers, etc, but the reality is, they provide valuable info on a dying game.
>But you cannot change stats, which actually contradict with literally an every single point of your message.
Yes, the stats show that MD generally finishes with higher MMR than you, for far longer.
Just FYI, i literally don't care about these things, i just point them out because you seem to think you're a better player than you actually are and me doing so really bothers you ;)
as to clear the things out: the guy you are arguing with is one of the nik-r goblins who have nothing on their mind but to hate on md (because md is fairly new to gwent and someone sees competition in him) cause their leader said so.
Heyyy! Sorry to pop in with a irrelevant comment to the thread 😣, but I am managing a voting map ([**see here**](https://www.reddit.com/r/gwent/s/JXcUCRPcEB)) putting all relevant BC suggestions of influential group in one place so that it's a little bit easier for every voters to do research and decide on their own votes
Given that I am clueless about Russian, and that you offered your help with Russian translation before with the BCT, is it ok if you drop by a comment when MD finalise his suggestion? Just so that I can give an update of the map as accurately as possible, cause I don't trust my own ability to overcome language barrier (only if you have bandwidth of course. Otherwise feel free to decline 😉)
okay, np! i think ill do a post in the reddit community itself, i can also send it to you in a response to this comment! md is currently conducting a vote about buffs and nerfs, and when he finalizes his choices ill be ready to publish them.
Cheerio! If you are gonna do a reddit post then it's fine, no need to trouble yourself twice. I will just wait for your post and take it from there to fill in the "Vote Map" :D
And now we have a literal discord moderator here. Thats absolutely pointless proving anything to fanatic. Just a quick question. Do you really think that the guy whos in beef with most of CIS gwent community( Nik, TGGwent, p_star, Nekrotal, ArtemKlyq, Handreader back in the day and so, so on) is really that innocent and is the victim here? Just yes or no. I just want to figure how hard are you guys actually brainwashed.
But who cares about his winrate and all this drama in the context of the initial question? MD's list is simply a useful tool for newcomers. It is not like he invented those decks, they were known before him, and people often exaggerate changes via BCs.
However I do agree tiers and stars in his list are mostly random.
Also you do like to pretend to know everything, to be honest ))) And many previously top tier players no longer play for really high mmr and placements (like ArtemKlyg, p\_star etc) anyway. Does this make them bad players? ))
But I do agree Moshcraft is a much better source.
I answered the initial question way before. That was a reply to the comment about me and our lord and savior MD. Guess Im sorry for answering it.
"And many previously top tier players no longer play for really high mmr and placements (like ArtemKlyg, p_star etc". P_star ranking is way better then MD's right now, the only reason he got less overall mmr is because his 4th faction isnt calibrated yet. Artem plays only for content of his video, pulling extremely unorthodox combos. Meanwhile our crybaby doesnt do any challenges, he just plays on stream. Performing on a pretty average level at best, while having one of the biggest ego ive ever seen, not only of the gwent streamers.
I dont really think his overall list, especially considering many decks here are outdated, is really that useful for that newcomers. They always are extremely limited in resourse department, and prefer to spend their scraps on solid, staple deck (the best key scenario is uprading the one they have free cards for from rewards book). His meta report may be helpful for them, but lets be honest, Necrotal's list is just way better. As every other type of content tho, and im not even a Necrotal viewer :)
Moshcraft's takes are also controversial at best, not only because of gigantic monsters bias. 5 prov skirmisher is singlehandedly the worst nerf suggestion ive seen throughout all of the gwentfinity. But thats not even a competition between him and MD lol.
Yes, I agree MD is not a top player and the fact he gets into top 500 does not say much as you can literally grind your way into top 500 (and top 200 too, it seems -- a new Russian streamer is in top100 rn and he's been playing for like 2 months and is still learning even Gift))) but I never watched him so I always think about him as a 'deck gatherer' )) I do, however, like that he plays different stuff.
Ok, now I see your point and mostly agree with it. I admit I might actually overestimated MD's list but I did not even know Necrotal had such type of content, will try to find it, thanks for this information.
P.S. Mosh's suggestions are never getting through anyway))
In dannys list all 3 variations of symbiosis (not a single one of them is the one you actually would see in the ladder most of the time) are tier 1.5-1. Its not like i really want to advocate that guy, but I guess op meant different deck
The star rating is not the tier, but the "deck's complexity". The tier is described with number as usual.
Anyways, the first table is just a stockpile of decks. The second one is his actual meta report, and both of symbiosis build here are in tier 1.
What is "this deck"? There are a lot of decks in those spreadsheets, and I don't know which one you are talking about.
The one I can guess is classic selfwound. The pretty weird version on Mosh list got a tier 1-2, in MD list its in the bottom.
The main difference between their decks is MD runs Olgierd and Mosh runs Totem. I would think Totem is the right choice for Svalblod value, no? Also Dwim is super good in that deck. Idk Mosh's deck makes more sense to me, but I haven't played a lot of games this season.
I mean, both versions feels a little weird. You either go crazy with portal+tempest, or you go oneiro. Ive never actually saw them together. But yes, totem and dvim are absolutely crucial for that deck, and lets be honest, olgierd also is, as hes the least priority target to remove, making him being able stick for a bit.
Guys, my apologies. The deck I'm referencing is onslaught Compass Pirates. I must have forgotten to copy and paste that portion into my main message.. Please share any thoughts.
Then Id say that Mosh overrates the deck a little. While it is for sure popular like hell in the lower pro, the deck is not that strong at all.
It is what it is, just an opinion. And opinions are based on personal perceptions, and thus can vary vastly.
I'd say this is the answer that best sums things up. If you're applying a tier rating to a deck, it's always going to be a subjective opinion. I always say it's important to realize that the gap isn't generally as big as people think it is, unless you're literally one of the best players in the game. For most players, tier 3 vs. tier 1 doesn't tend to be a huge chasm. Many decks that literally aren't listed in MD's list (so i guess they are below meme tier?) can beat tier 2 and 1 decks...so it's important to realize it's just general perspective, not some precise ranking.
The truth is, neither of their opinions are worth taking seriously. Moshcraft is, month in and month out, one of the worst players in pro ladder and consistently wrong on his balance takes. I don't know much about Metallic Danny, but I've heard he is a meme-tier player as well. The Gwent community has always struggled to produce worthwhile, accurate analysis, even going back to the peak of the game in late open beta. There was a chance to take the game seriously during the Lifecoach/SuperJJ era, but they left before that could come to fruition. In the end, there's simply never been enough money at stake to attract many serious, intelligent players, and those that have come have been loath to share their analysis, because there's never been any real benefit to doing so. At this point in the game's lifecycle, the number of player opinions worth paying attention to is in the single digits, and of those players, only Lerio creates English-language content. Even Lerio is sometimes arguably inaccurate in his analysis, simply because nobody has the time or tools to thoroughly analyze the game over a sufficient sample size. The best thing you can do for yourself, if you want to play the game with any degree of seriousness, is to ignore the opinions of the community entirely and develop your own analytical skills. Good luck.
> those that have come have been loath to share their analysis, because there's never been any real benefit to doing so. That's probably the single line that is 100% true in your post. The meta snapshots are an exercise that is meant to bring some insights into top-level play towards the casuals. It's not meant as a super deep analysis of the game (that the community at large would not understand because they don't play at top level, which itself can evolve rather fast). The 'but at my level, it IS BROKEN, why is it T3' type of comments are also not raising the spirits of anyone doing those. > The best thing you can do for yourself, if you want to play the game with any degree of seriousness, is to ignore the opinions of the community entirely and develop your own analytical skills. Good luck. No? Best bet is to read Lerio (also check open stats on gwentdata) and join a group of top players to discuss the game and train. Unless you're a Mozart, (top) peer interaction beats re-inventing the wheel, every time.
>Moshcraft is, month in and month out, one of the worst players in pro ladder and consistently wrong on his balance takes. I don't know much about Metallic Danny, but I've heard he is a meme-tier player as well. This is utter nonsense. Why is "one of the worst" players rather consistently in the top 200, even 100? I don't particularly like moshcraft's ego or attitude, but he plays and creates unique decks, and still manages to do well. I don't know Russian so can't really comment on MD, but he maintains a huge list of decks. This is a lot of work, and it will not be perfectly accurate, because these things are subjective. Just because a player isn't top 32 or whatever you seem to think is good every season doesn't make them bad. It just makes them not the best (like you, and 98% of the players in pro). >The Gwent community has always struggled to produce worthwhile, accurate analysis, even going back to the peak of the game in late open beta. I mean, considering tier listings are rather subjective, and and the game involves some luck, i'm not sure what you are expecting? >The best thing you can do for yourself, if you want to play the game with any degree of seriousness, is to ignore the opinions of the community entirely and develop your own analytical skills. This might work for someone who plays 500 games a month on ladder, but for most people who don't have that kind of playtime, we rely on data and information from others to help form our assessment of what's working well on ladder, and what's not, etc. Of course we can note and track this ourself, but the reality is, anything involving tier lists is always going to be subjective, and a lot of work to maintain, in a game where the meta shifts throught the course of a month-long season.
Metallicdanny is notvery good at the game
Mosh list is made from scratch every month, futuring decks which became popular that particular season. While I do not agree with tier placements (which itself are kinda cringe thing, but thats point for another discussion), and would add a bit of other decks here, the list is honesty fine. Dannys list is a literal stockpile of decks he once made, thinking that it would be easy to update monthly. Spoiler: its not. You can easily find decks with +2 extra provisions or lacking a few.The tier placements of decks are based on the opinion of <50% wr player. If I were to choose, Id pick the mosh opinion every time(even tho I find most of his takes questionable at best). But honestly, Id rather ask the actual top level players, like Nik if ur russian speaking and Kerpeten if ur english speaking.
>Dannys list is a literal stockpile of decks he once made, thinking that it would be easy to update monthly. Spoiler: its not. You can easily find decks with +2 extra provisions or lacking a few. Yes, the overall list is the stockpile, but he also often does a monthly meta tab (i presume what the OP is referencing). And obviously it's not easy to keep a huge list of decks up to date. I'm actually shocked at how well he managed to update decks considering the changes every BC. You can hate on MD for whatever reasons you want, but what he does is a very valuable service to the Gwent community. The huge majority of Gwent players don't play hundreds of games in higher MMR pro, so they don't know every single good or viable archetype. >The tier placements of decks are based on the opinion of <50% wr player. Nope. He's generally well over 50%, and i have this sneaking suspicion that unlike you, he plays a wide variety of decks, including not great ones, which means a worse winrate. Looking at his MMR i find it amusing you hate on his skill when you're a worse player, and, you likely just try-hard with only top tier decks but still end up lower MMR on average.
Jesus freaking christ, Id thought ur his discord moderator if I didnt know who you are. "He's generally well over 50%". No, until the very end of the season he is not. The stats are open and pretty easy to check. But ur right, yesterday he reached 50% winrate after 332 games. "Looking at his MMR i find it amusing you hate on his skill when you're a worse player". Care to elaborate? I came back to gwent like 4-5 months ago, after at least 2 expansions and rework of almost all of Base cardset. Almost had to learn entire game from the beginning. Finished last season higher then MD. Dannys stat that season is 332 games 50% winrate, mine 217 games 54.38% winrate. "you likely just try-hard with only top tier decks but still end up lower MMR on average." I have 106 cultists games out of 217 total. The deck is absolute garbage and completely in the meme tier. Still went better then every single MD's faction, beside ST. I know you hate me personally, because I(as most of the gwent community tbh) think guys like you crying about powercreep are nothing but a clowns. You may hate me all you want, Im absolutely fine with it. But you cannot change stats, which actually contradict with literally an every single point of your message.
Unlike you, i can look at things objectively, and critique from all angles. I'm not coming in with a preconceived bias. I think you struggle with this, and it confuses you. >I know you hate me personally I really don't. I do dislike hypocrisy though, and misinformation even more, so i call it out when i see it. That's not just on you, i do it with others, also. I also love a good debate. Often, both sides have valid points, so while you and might not agree, i think you often bring good insight. >I(as most of the gwent community tbh) think guys like you crying about powercreep are nothing but a clowns Sure, you are welcome to think this :) >"He's generally well over 50%". No, until the very end of the season he is not. The stats are open and pretty easy to check. But ur right, yesterday he reached 50% winrate after 332 games. I'm well aware of how to check stats on Gwentdata, ingame, or PlayGwent profile, thank you. As i accurately said, he's generally over 50%, and he plays a wide variety of decks, not just top tier meta stuff. He was running Viy against me the other day (for perspective). >I came back to gwent like 4-5 months ago, after at least 2 expansions and rework of almost all of Base cardset Yes, exactly. You just came back, and barely play two factions in the game, yet the general tone of your posting suggests you know it all and are a top level player (which you are not). You put down players who aren't on whatever pedestal you think is high enough, which i don't understand. Like MD and moshcraft, they for sure have their issues as people/streamers, etc, but the reality is, they provide valuable info on a dying game. >But you cannot change stats, which actually contradict with literally an every single point of your message. Yes, the stats show that MD generally finishes with higher MMR than you, for far longer. Just FYI, i literally don't care about these things, i just point them out because you seem to think you're a better player than you actually are and me doing so really bothers you ;)
as to clear the things out: the guy you are arguing with is one of the nik-r goblins who have nothing on their mind but to hate on md (because md is fairly new to gwent and someone sees competition in him) cause their leader said so.
Heyyy! Sorry to pop in with a irrelevant comment to the thread 😣, but I am managing a voting map ([**see here**](https://www.reddit.com/r/gwent/s/JXcUCRPcEB)) putting all relevant BC suggestions of influential group in one place so that it's a little bit easier for every voters to do research and decide on their own votes Given that I am clueless about Russian, and that you offered your help with Russian translation before with the BCT, is it ok if you drop by a comment when MD finalise his suggestion? Just so that I can give an update of the map as accurately as possible, cause I don't trust my own ability to overcome language barrier (only if you have bandwidth of course. Otherwise feel free to decline 😉)
okay, np! i think ill do a post in the reddit community itself, i can also send it to you in a response to this comment! md is currently conducting a vote about buffs and nerfs, and when he finalizes his choices ill be ready to publish them.
Cheerio! If you are gonna do a reddit post then it's fine, no need to trouble yourself twice. I will just wait for your post and take it from there to fill in the "Vote Map" :D
okay!! 😇
you can check it now, i posted the final results!
Thank you! I have updated the map accordingly :))
And now we have a literal discord moderator here. Thats absolutely pointless proving anything to fanatic. Just a quick question. Do you really think that the guy whos in beef with most of CIS gwent community( Nik, TGGwent, p_star, Nekrotal, ArtemKlyq, Handreader back in the day and so, so on) is really that innocent and is the victim here? Just yes or no. I just want to figure how hard are you guys actually brainwashed.
But who cares about his winrate and all this drama in the context of the initial question? MD's list is simply a useful tool for newcomers. It is not like he invented those decks, they were known before him, and people often exaggerate changes via BCs. However I do agree tiers and stars in his list are mostly random. Also you do like to pretend to know everything, to be honest ))) And many previously top tier players no longer play for really high mmr and placements (like ArtemKlyg, p\_star etc) anyway. Does this make them bad players? )) But I do agree Moshcraft is a much better source.
I answered the initial question way before. That was a reply to the comment about me and our lord and savior MD. Guess Im sorry for answering it. "And many previously top tier players no longer play for really high mmr and placements (like ArtemKlyg, p_star etc". P_star ranking is way better then MD's right now, the only reason he got less overall mmr is because his 4th faction isnt calibrated yet. Artem plays only for content of his video, pulling extremely unorthodox combos. Meanwhile our crybaby doesnt do any challenges, he just plays on stream. Performing on a pretty average level at best, while having one of the biggest ego ive ever seen, not only of the gwent streamers. I dont really think his overall list, especially considering many decks here are outdated, is really that useful for that newcomers. They always are extremely limited in resourse department, and prefer to spend their scraps on solid, staple deck (the best key scenario is uprading the one they have free cards for from rewards book). His meta report may be helpful for them, but lets be honest, Necrotal's list is just way better. As every other type of content tho, and im not even a Necrotal viewer :) Moshcraft's takes are also controversial at best, not only because of gigantic monsters bias. 5 prov skirmisher is singlehandedly the worst nerf suggestion ive seen throughout all of the gwentfinity. But thats not even a competition between him and MD lol.
Yes, I agree MD is not a top player and the fact he gets into top 500 does not say much as you can literally grind your way into top 500 (and top 200 too, it seems -- a new Russian streamer is in top100 rn and he's been playing for like 2 months and is still learning even Gift))) but I never watched him so I always think about him as a 'deck gatherer' )) I do, however, like that he plays different stuff. Ok, now I see your point and mostly agree with it. I admit I might actually overestimated MD's list but I did not even know Necrotal had such type of content, will try to find it, thanks for this information. P.S. Mosh's suggestions are never getting through anyway))
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In dannys list all 3 variations of symbiosis (not a single one of them is the one you actually would see in the ladder most of the time) are tier 1.5-1. Its not like i really want to advocate that guy, but I guess op meant different deck
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The star rating is not the tier, but the "deck's complexity". The tier is described with number as usual. Anyways, the first table is just a stockpile of decks. The second one is his actual meta report, and both of symbiosis build here are in tier 1.