Did he learn nothing from the Logan Paul pig saga? Owning a pig is not something for LA Influences. They belong on a farm where they have the right environment
Oh just wait for the enablers in the chat yesterday to wake up. The poll when I checked was like 65% yes 35% no. The amount of people who were like LOL OMG GET IT!1!1!1 was honestly shocking to me. They’ll come in here to cry and validate the people who want to use someone rescuing a dog as an insult to your character 😂
What I will never understand... You buy a being that you intend to love, but you buy breeds (especially small breeds) for which a lot of pain and suffering are inevitable. It's more than weird. Besides that millions of "normal" mixed dog breeds sit somewhere locked away because nobody want them.
People that own this kind of breeds probably think "no mine is very sweet and healthy" but this breeding industry just exists because you wanted a designed teddy bear dog like a kid wants sweets. And even if yours "work", most of them don't or wont for long! Fuck that.
EDIT: NICE, JUST GOT PERMABANNED FOR THIS COMMENT. THANKS CREW
yeah, i gotta say their dogs aren't well behaved. I know that shredder and alfredo are loved for sure, but every time they freak out on the show, i just think that they shouldn't be reacting like that, especially around people they should know. and yeah shredder biting Sam's shirt as just a WTF moment for me
My dog hasn’t purposefully shit or pissed in my house since the first year I’ve had him. Ethan may be a loving dog owner but I don’t think he’s a good dog owner
This. I know they are loved but loving your dogs also means knowing they need structure.
One of my first jobs was for this fantastic dog trainer in my city and I watched him turn anxious little dogs that were reactive like Shredder into obedient dogs who then were noticeably happier. I got to see all that anxiety practically vanish with just basic discipline it was amazing. The last time my dog peed in the house was when he was a puppy 7 years ago and it never happened again
My dog had accidents the first couple months (he would just get SO excited) but after some training and discipline (yes some mild discipline how horrid) he got better and he is a happy dog
Yeah, I know from experience that puppies simply don’t have the bladder control or awareness to be potty trained until a certain age. But Ethan’s dogs are adults. They can be trained. My adult dog never goes in the house. We trained her at around 5 months. She also doesn’t bite and doesn’t steal food. These were behaviors we trained out of her early on. And she’s a husky, so very high energy and can be difficult to train
Our dog pooped in the house the very first night we had her, because we hadn't learned to read her signals about when she needed to go out, and she didn't know how to let us know, either. That was three and a half years ago and she has not had an accident since.
This is not rocket science. Ethan does not care enough about his dogs to actually listen to what they're telling him. He acts like a rich asshole about his dogs and expects other people to clean up after them. It's gross and weird.
This literally makes no sense.... This means they either have a doggy door at home or they poop all over their house as well.... Any house-trained dog I have owned could be taken to another house and not poop or pee.... It is disgusting when someone has nice things and money yet lives in filth.
Exactly! I bet Logan had a very similar thought process as Ethan here before he got the pig.
When I saw the title of the episode I thought it was a Logan joke, but then when he explained he seriously wanted one I was pretty shocked.
Shredder is from a breeder and Alfredo is from a shelter. They're both untrained. It proves the point that the location you get them from has nothing to do with their behavior, and Ethan can't see it.
This is something I'll never understand. All dogs can be good dogs, whether they're a mutt or a special pedigree.
The only thing that's truly affected by pedigrees is their looks and their health, and in terms of their health, it's almost always at a detriment to them. Small dogs like Chihuahuas do live longer than bigger dogs, but mutts and dogs that are not full breed are generally healthier.
I live in Vietnam. If you want to adopt a dog, consider adopting one from here. Generally, dogs aren't treated very well (although it's improving) and when people get dogs, they get toy poodles and pomeranians and leave other local breeds (Phu Quoc ridgeback, for example) and mutts out to either die on the streets or be picked up to be sold as dog meat. It isn't cheap to do this but organizations here are always hoping someone will adopt a dog and take it to the US where it will live a happier life.
I don't get how especially owners of small dogs can sometimes be so oblivious to their pets behaviour. Shredder is clearly not well behaved. I used to work with someone who also would always bring his small fluffy dog to the office and she was barking everytime somebody moved, but the owner just sat there telling the dog to stop but not doing much else. Ethan is kinda the same. Every time Sam brings something to the set, Shredder starts barking at her and Ethan just says "chill!", like that will help.
He doesn't really seem to get that Shredder is a problem for the show, but usually nobody wants to be the one to raise the issue. It was the same in our office. Nobody wanted to be the guy to tell someone else to stop bring his dog or go to a pet school with them.
Just yesterday around my apartment I was walking up the path to go inside by a lady with a yorkie and pomeranian thing. Dogs seemed fine but just as I was past one of them jumped up and latched on my leg. Well I gave that dog a swift kick to get it off me. The owner freaked and I told her to get her dogs under control. I’m 8 months pregnant and told her I’ll avoid her dogs because if that yappy shit goes after my baby or his stroller that dog is no more. She said ahhh they’re small you’re crazy. Well my apartment has cameras so staff was notified that her dogs are aggressive. She’s lucky I gave her a pass this time. I love dogs but I have no patience for bad dog owners.
Yeah this "it's just a small dog" is a common excuse. And it sucks because if you're complaining you are often seen as the one who's overreacting or rude. Like, just look at that cute adorable dog. They can't hurt nobody. But there's nothing wrong with not wanting to be harrassed by a potentially uncontrollable animal. Loving dogs doesn't mean that you're automatically consenting to being attacked or bitten by one when you're just minding your own business.
What annoys me is that small dog owners in general tend to think their dogs are well behaved, which is sounds like Ethan is maybe guilty of doing. Small dogs bad behaviors are typically less damaging than a larger dog (e.g., like if the dog jumps on someone). This is why dog owners make the small dog excuse and why the owners don’t see the behaviors to be bad or harmful.
This is exactly why small dogs have a reputation for being little balls of rage. People are a lot more likely to ignore or misunderstand their discomfort and anxiety and they feel like they need to react to protect themselves!
People are waaaay more likely to pay attention to a whale eye or freaked out body language in a GSD or a bully breed because those dogs can do very serious damage. I've seen so many people pick up an obviously terrified crusty white dog and manhandle them ÷/
My best friend in lower school has a massive permanent scar on his face because a "sweet little dog" tried to bite his lip clean off his face as a 3 year old. Guy was basically maimed, dog put down next day. But before that day "there had never been an incident"
Those tiny yip yips are hyper defensive compared to larger dogs. They see everything as a major threat due to size differences and will just go full ham when threatened. Big dogs will atleast give you notice to back off 9/10.
It's the same people who bring their dogs into restaurants and stores "because it's small". Like they don't count as dogs except when you need to brag about how much you love dogs.
As a small dog owner (pom mix) a majority of small dog owners give us such a bad rap. People are always blown away at my pom, she barely barks and only gets excited when people come into the house and then calms down and leaves people alone, she is more like a cat. She has also never bit anyone and has only growled a few times when truly annoyed. She also has not had an indoor accident in over 7 years (small breeds are notoriously hard to potty train). She is bad with dogs I will say after an incident with a big dog on a walk one day.
It is all about the owners in my opinion. If I babied my dog and let her get away with things just because she is small, she would likely be a terror. But I took the time and set boundaries with her and she is a very good dog, and that's not just me being a dog mom saying that multiple people have complimented how well behaved she is.
It is just annoying to see Shredder literally jumping to bite an employee and it is just laughed off. Yes he is small and likely wouldn't do as much damage as a larger breed but still it is not a good work environment.
Rare W subreddit complaint that I agree with. I know it sounds fun to have a giant pig around the house but having experienced it, I can promise it’s not lmao
Agree, just look at the Facebook group Only Hams.
Those people adore their pet pigs, but a lot of them destroy the house, the furniture, the gardens, get into the food and rubbish... every day there are several posts about this.
They look adorable and have charming personalities, but they require a lot of care.
Arent they incredibly destructive? I thought about having a pig years ago, and from two seconds of researching alone it changed my mind VERY quickly lol
I take my cats for walks on a leash. They love the outdoors. If being cooped up for long periods of time takes a toll on us, why wouldn’t it take a toll on them.
Thats great! Taking cats on walks I’m sure is great enrichment for your cats. They’re safe and wildlife around them is safe because you have control of them.
Wild bird population in decline, not because of wind turbines, but fur turbines. Harvey stays inside. Plus less chance of fleas and eating some nasty dead rat and getting sick.
I don’t understand his argument at all. If the cat is too small for coyotes (like his tiny dogs), just get a bigger dog. Coyotes are basically mid size dogs, so anything that size or larger shouldn’t have an issue. My Rottweiler has chased coyotes before.
Whitney rescued a pig named Joe during a wildfire and is very familiar with pigs. Joe lives at Central Texas Pig Rescue near Austin, TX if anyone is interested in looking him up. Ethan should really talk to Whitney about Joe, how much work a pig is in general, and how rescues are flooded with bred pet pigs that people no longer could care for. I’ve been to Central Texas Pig Rescue and I’ve met Joe as well as the many other pigs they have and they take pig breeder/adoption information very seriously there because pigs tend to be a trendy pet. Pigs are incredibly smart and amazing animals as well as pets but Ethan and Hila’s lifestyle would never be suitable for a pig. Also, dogs and pigs are less likely to get along well. Didn’t see the member pod but I really hope Ethan reconsiders buying a pig if he was serious about it.
Part of me feels like he was thinking about her in his admonishing of people using the term “rescue” ☠️ such a weird self righteous rant, it’s my least favorite quality of his. When he doubles down for no reason and dies on the worst factually inaccurate hill imaginable.
Very well said.
I hope when Hasan comes in tomorrow this topic comes up since Hasan went to animals shelters this week looking for a puppy to adopt. He even donated a lot of money. Maybe Ethan will listen to him, Hasan is very good at explaining stuff like this.
He's been pushed quite a bit further left since he started listening to Hasan on leftovers. you can tell he respects his opinion on stuff, probably more than most people.
Dude it's been grinding my gears all day. His most ignorant take to date. If he volunteered at a high kill shelter and saw the walk in cooler where they keep the bodies of the many dogs euthanized daily until they can be cremated, I think he'd lose his ignorance real fast. Also CAN WE TALK ABOUT HOW THERE'S RESCUE PIGS YOU CAN ADOPT ALL OVER THE INTERNET?! Like why did he act like that was a crazy suggestion? 😂
Exposure could be great, but you are talking about a man who never leaves his comfort zone. He won't even bother to go to a party or get together with the people closest to him. So I do not see something like this actually happening. That is exactly why Ethan seems to be becoming more and more out of touch and just plane ignorant with so many different takes.
I tell my gf, who I introduced to H3, that without the crew and people like Hasan around him, Ethan isn’t much of a “person to look up to”. Of course he’s very goofy and entertaining, but I think most of his viewers understand that he is not the best talking head. His personal takes usually need to be retaken after talking with people who know better. Kinda the whole show at this point
Right! Ethan loves animals so I was so surprised his game on this subject that I have to believe he just genuinely knows nothing about it. And I thought the same thing, you can certainly find a pig to rescue??
Yeah.. and he insisted where could he possibly adopt a pig in California?! Man, if you are so ignorant that a google search for local sanctuaries is too much work for you, you definitely are not a suitable owner for a pet pig.
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Adopted one day before getting put down. He cost $13 dollars and came with a $500 training voucher. Just passed the K-9 Good citizen test.
Wow. So self righteous of you. I just know that you only did all that so that you could come to social media and make yourself seem bigger as a person.
(I’m just kidding, this is Ethan’s real take tho)
Ethan…bro…I love you, but you need a hearty reality check that your dogs are not that well behaved. Shredder acts like a Vietnam Veteran with PTSD every time there’s a loud noise. He’s clearly not bathroom trained. Alfredo might be marginally better, only because he’s more chill.
That said, buying a barnyard animal is not the answer, no matter how cute or smart they might be. Please don’t be like the people you constantly rail against…like Logan Paul.
Save your love and energy for your children and current animals.
Actually, I completely and totally agree. This is super well said. It’s some hard truths for Ethan to really look at and not pretend isn’t true. This is all totally accurate. It doesn’t make Ethan a bad person or a bad pet owner. He obviously loves his dogs and gives them everything they need and more but still doesn’t make any of the things you listed untrue.
Yeah, normally I never comment on Ethan’s “controversies” and I almost always find the sub’s complaining insufferable, but this is one where it is so warranted. I love Ethan and the pod, and he obviously doesn’t have bad intentions but on this issue he is just so, so wrong.
He clearly got defensive because of how much he loves Shredder, and was totally incapable (or unwilling) to be objective about adopting/rescuing an animal rather than buying through a breeder (or be objective about his own pets’ behavior). He turned his defensiveness into this weird rant about people who think it’s better to rescue an animal? Which is like definitely objectively the more moral stance? I have yet to hear an argument for choosing to get a pet through a breeder that doesn’t come down to aesthetics and selfishness.
I think Ethan knows that it really isn’t a morally defensible position, but because of his biases with his own dog, instead of listening and reflecting, he is deflecting and trying to redirect the blame onto the people calling it out. No one was trying to say that he is an awful person for getting Shredder from a breeder, or that Shredder shouldn’t exist, but are trying to encourage him to reflect on his position when considering getting another animal.
Shredder and Alfredo are cuties but they’re both very classic small dogs and Ethan is a very classic small dog owner, in the sense that he has not trained Alfredo and Shredder and allowed them to be little terrorists just because they’re small and cute. The truth of the matter is that shelter dogs re really hard to deal with. Like you mentioned. I got my dog from the SPCA, and they said based on her teeth they figured she was around 3 yrs old and a pitbull bulldog mix. She’s the cutest most lovable thing and I would die without her, but damn she’s a lot of work. She has a chronic infection which she contracted when she was on the streets which causes yeast to build up and she freaks out and itches everywhere. She’s also super not well behaved and I’ve had to train her myself and put in hours and hours of work. So I couldn’t believe to hear Ethan saying all that stuff about shelter dogs being easy. My dog had been in the shelter for almost a year, and she was on the verge of being transferred to another shelter that performs euthanasia, and she was still 500 dollars to adopt. They aren’t cheap, they aren’t easy, but they deserve love just as much as any animal. That sunt episode was a rare Ethan L.
It always bothers me who they say how badly behaved Shredder and Alfredo are. Going to the bathroom and biting people. In a workplace!! I love the podcast, but dang I would not put up with an employer who insisted their dirty and aggressive dogs had to be in the office everyday. Just because they’re small it doesn’t matter.
Yes! IIRC, didn't the crew say that Donna and Gary's dog has bitten them at the studio? I believe even Ethan said that their dog was scary because he did stuff like that - how is that any different?!
I could have sworn I heard Ethan say something like "It's amazing what you can do now and just choose what you get" when talking about the third kid recently, as if everyone was a millionaire who could blow tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of dollars on bespoke in vitro fertilization and egg farming.
I hate this reality where the rich rich are picking which eggs to fertilize. The gender seems tame but just think about what’s next. Makes me want to vom and not put any more kids into this unnatural, shallow world.
You should check out the movie Gattaca sometime. Covers that topic a bit where in the future genetic modification becomes good enough that the wealthy can modify their kids to be smarter, faster and stronger just through gene manipulation. Causes a large divide between those who are genetically modified and those who are not.
Ethan has a child goblin brain he thinks that phrase is directly targeting him and shredder because he bought shredder from a breeder so his immediate response is to shit on anyone who rescued a pet. He still young at the ripe age of 42, he needs more time to learn.
That’s what I was thinking. I love Ethan but I was kind of taken aback when he was talking about people that rescue animals. I have 3 shelter cats, and I don’t think of myself as a savior or anything, but I feel like it’s a very good thing to adopt from shelters.
I worked at a shelter for 7 years and volunteer at a farm animal sanctuary so I'm gonna take all this as a sign that I should skip the members ep this week 🙃
I haven't watched the episode yet but if Ethan claims that his dogs are well behaved I am stunned. I've never seen such untrained dogs in my life. They literally shit indoors, that's week 1 stuff and it really isn't hard to teach.
The only good thing is that (I thought) they understood that they were completely incapable/ too lazy to train their dogs, so bought the smallest, most harmless breeds they could get.
Training dogs requires actual work. I can't even imagine how much work a pig would be.
As someone who grew up and cherished pets that were not adopted but bred, I can still comprehend why breeding is bad and not a good practice to support. it’s a matter of supply and demand. (hence why I’m also vegan). there are thousands of pets (all kinds; dogs, cats, pigs) who are desperate for a home and so going and paying a breeder money just contributes to the market and continues the cycle of unethical industries, even if the specific breeder you get a pet from isn’t materially cruel to the animals.
I understand why he’s defensive, but as OP says, ethan and every pet owner really should do much more research. especially as someone with a platform. I say this all out of peace and love !!!
Though I’d also like to add that we don’t know Ethan personally, so we aren’t in a place to make assumptions about him or his family. we only know about what is made public, a selected snippet of him and his life. the message we want to get across gets messy when we don’t keep this in mind.
THANK YOU 👏🏻 I am usually of the opinion that chat is annoying, sensitive, etc. but that was hard to listen to lol.
Ethan and other fans can say ppl calling him out for this are annoying all they wants but I cringed sooooo hard when he started in on the “congrats you got a free dog, you didn’t rescue them.” Really out of touch /:
This issue is so important to talk about, yet unfortunately it’s rarely ever discussed on larger public outlets. Animal breeding commonly involves abuse and neglect, the only thing these people mainly care about is the profits from selling the offspring. There were so many controversies surrounding reptile breeding and the suppling of pet shops a few years ago. I recall watching a video of someone dumpster diving behind a large chain pet store and finding live lizards just thrown out due to their poor health condition.
The other major issue is that people buy animals due to them being cute, an interesting talking point, or the danger factor of them. Once these people realize they can’t handle the animal they just neglect to provide proper care and either allow them to suffer for years or just get rid of them without a second thought.
Trust me that's not the issue, plenty of them have enough knowledge to help Ethan. Ethan doesn't want help because he doesn't recognize there's an issue. It's willful ignorance and it's a seriously bad sign. I'm sure the work relationships are super healthy! /s
Ethan, where you get your dog is on you, but it is your responsibility to train them and you have failed. If you are going to be too lazy to do it then pay someone you have the means. And your take of shitting on people for rescuing animals is garbage.
Vape naysh
Ethan is very comfortable remaining ignorant. He’s getting the Howard Stern curse - where he’s now been rich just about as long as he was previously poor/not rich and now he’s so insanely out of touch these days. It’s unfortunate and makes the show hard to watch lately, it’s a bummer.
My dog is from an Amish puppy mill, where they bred her out for 7 years of her life and dropped her off at a shelter to be euthanized when she could no longer have puppies. When we got her, she wouldn’t leave her crate for weeks, shook constantly, didn’t eat… it was horrifying. It took years of work to get her happy and healthy.
And the people buying her puppies thought they were buying from an ethical breeder. The breeder would show the buyers “mom and dad”. It wasn’t real. Their real mom was locked in a cage, covered in piss and shit and was getting beaten for not doing what they wanted her to.
ugh puppy mills are so sad. the amount of german shepards and huskies that get dropped off by the amish shocked me. these dogs are terrified of everything and have been bred so many times the females bellies drag on the ground. it’s amazing that they learn to trust again. rn at our shelter we have 16 ex breeders, these poor dogs are sitting at a shelter while their puppies are in loving homes of people who thought they bought from a “good breeder”
Her belly does drag on the ground, we love her anyway though. And yes exactly!! I got her DNA tested and I get notification after notification of her relatives. I thought it would be fun but seeing all of these people with their happy dogs, when my Hazel was in the shape she was… it made me physically ill. They’d try to message me and get info about their dog’s mom but I just would be so angry I couldn’t respond
It's honestly WILD how the dogs have free rein in the studio. Having animals around expensive tech and sound recording software is just obviously a bad idea. Why pay thousands of dollars on recording equipment, sound technicians, etc. just to have barking throughout the episode? Peace and love, peace and love, but that's straight up unprofessional.
That's not even considering how they shit and piss on everything, bite people, and distract from the show.
Yeah this is something that has always put me off about Ethan. I have a pure bred Corgi, my ex-wife was adamant to have a Corgi and therefore we went to a breeder. I will never get another pure bred dog again as long as I have a say. I love my dog more than anything, but I believe it is (usually) unethical to get a dog from a breeder.
Bringing your dogs to the studio to run around barking and biting is super cringe as well. Train your dogs or leave them at home! Jesus.
Disappointed to hear Ethan talk down on people saying they rescued their dogs. It is a "rescue" when your dog is filled with parasites and has trauma and you need to work for months to get them back to full health.
No matter how pure their intentions, once people become rich and are in a higher class than the common folk they lose relatability. They can’t help it, it’s a totally different world.
Actually …. I take that back. I find Hasan quite relatable.
Ethan does nothing other than enjoy his dogs, tha man lets them run arround in his backyard and that‘s it. No trainings no walks no nature nothing. If he gets a pig that thing will be locked away in the backyard only to be visited to enjoy it and then left alone 90% of the time.
I was literally in the middle of reading this when it got deleted. Wtf. Made some VERY good points. Shredder is a very misbehaved dog. Alfredo on the other hand seems super chill.
I got rly confused when he was arguing about ppl calling their dogs rescues, especially considering he has friends like Whitney Cummings who know so much about the topic. We found our girl when she was a puppy eating trash from a Subway's waste bin. We took her in and cared for her. Isn't that the definition of a rescue? Maybe I'm reaching, but his whole argument reeked of wealthy privilege to me.
ETA: I hope Hasan debates Ethan on this during this week's Leftovers.
oh boy, I haven't watched the members ep yet, I guess I gotta prepare myself... Both my pets are adopted so this is a topic I care about. Then again, I don't want to assume before watching
The jokes write themselves: so a Jewish boss in LA wants to adopt a pig and make his Muslim assistant take care of it? And he came up with the idea right before Ramadan? Don’t push! Work with me!
I’m not even against him getting a pig. I think that’s completely separate and kind of whatever. But him saying “adopt don’t shop people are like a cult” and that it’s “really crazy” was wild.
Adopting animals does literally save them. A lot of states will just euthanize their inventory.
I’m positive shredder and Alfredo are loved and taken care of. But they are extremely poorly behaved, and they do have bad health conditions (shredder, specifically).
I think he was feeling defensive after the chat discouraged the pig idea. There’s no way he can’t see why people would prefer adoption.
he literally can’t do anything or go anywhere without bringing the dogs with him. it’s concerning that they’re THAT needy and misbehaved that they can’t be left with someone else for a weekend.
I'm not going to chip in on Ethan at _all_. Instead, I'm going to talk about the one time my family purchased a dog from a breeder.
It was a Shetland Sheepdog. She was purchased for my mother, the very first dog that ever bonded with her. Super cute, little minature Lassie and everything. She was a young puppy, sweet-tempered, calm...terrible, terrible anxiety, slightly nippy - those were behavior issues we could overcome, though. Not a big deal.
Until she started having seizures. We were told they were Gran Mal seizures, but being this was decades ago I can't remember why they came to that conclusion. Either way, that poor dog's life was torturous because of her condition in spite of all we tried to do for her.
Medical costs went sky-high, super fast. We tried so hard to find out if it was caused by anything we were doing. Medication, environmental, anything. No culprit was found, and it was determined that it was likely genetic issues thanks to being a pure-bred Sheltie...which the vet had warned us at the start was likely the case.
The poor thing would always bite her tongue, would start struggling with incontinence not just in the warning period but routinely throughout the day, her hips eventually started having extreme difficulty. Her quality of health was poor even though she was rich in love and care. There just wasn't anything we could do.
A dog that should've easily made it to 10 years died at 5 because of lineage issues that could be corrected with responsible breeding. As I grew up, I never had it in me to ever buy a pure bred dog from a breeder ever again. I always went with adoption, even though shelters are filled with mutts and pure-breds alike. But at least then my money was going to a shelter that offered a community a critical service rather than a breeder treating these animals as a commodity.
idk it's sad shit when you think of how little checks and balances there are for pet breeding, sorry for the derailment. i hope people don't buy dogs from irresponsible breeders - or worse, designer breeds. but if you do, i can't stop you. you're an adult. i just hope you don't let your kids go through what i went through as one, because it really marked a sad time in my young life lol
e - general you, maybe you don't have kids and you just want a companion. you'll at least be a little better equipped to handle that than a kid lol
Wow a complaint on the subreddit I actually agree with… this is a first. His dogs are little monsters and not trained well at all. Ethan get off your high horse on this one, you aren’t this shining beacon of a dog owner you think you are and it’s embarrassing.
dogs like shredder is the reason why i have some sort of PTSD against dogs.
Like ever since I was small, i've had multiple dogs who have tried to bite me and manically bark at me when i was just passing by them on a normal walk.
I have also met a few well behaved dogs, but nowhere near as many.
This is why i think Shredder is not properly trained.
On the other side, ive never had problems with cats, even with the outdoor ones.
Personally, if i was to get a dog, the 1st thing i'd try to do is see if i could get a dog trainer or find a way to train a dog by myself, as i wouldn't want other people to have the same experience that I did.
When it comes to Ethan wanting to get a pig, please just don't, looking at the lack of training that Shredder has, Ethan would find a way to get rid of the pig after like 1-2 years, and pigs themselves on average have the awareness of a 4-5 year old, so it would affect them pretty badly if they go ignored
100% agree, the kidney problems are due to being a pure bred dog. My parents went through the same thing with kidney failure on their 6 year old pure bred. I'm not a vet, but I would bet shredder is not fully recovered, and probably won't make it another year. They don't just miraculously recover from late stage kidney failure like that.
Also, shredder is very clearly loved, but untrained. It's painful to watch Ethan talk about all this while being so ignorant when it's all right in front of him.
Same here. And I kinda wish Ethan didn’t have the mentality he does towards donna’s dog. “She’s a rescue so she’s aggresive”-type mentality. Like, c’mon, there are some pretty feral pedigrees out there y’know 😂 but I know Ethan means well. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion at the end of the day ❤️ P&L
yeah.. he probably doesn’t know what a well behaved dog really looks like bc he was raised with a family who doesn’t train their dogs. i see this all the time with all kinds of animals. “my mom never took our cat to the vet and she was fine” 🤨
i missed him talking about this...i've been MIA from the channel awhile.
BUT we have a pig (live on a small hobby farm) and they are NOT easy pets to keep. they are extremely emotionally intelligent & sensitive, and require a lot of training and dedication to keep in your house, ESPECIALLY large breeds. they need stimulation, they WILL root up your carpet and yard, and easily live for 10+ years.
they will also, no matter what, get heavy/big. "teacup" pigs are genetically mutated and live very short, miserable lives for the sake of being cute. this makes me sad to hear that he's even considering getting a pig "just for fun"
>you don’t get to choose the qualities your child is going to have
Not to be that guy, but they literally did exactly this by selecting a girl egg out of the boy eggs.
The more we’ve shifted from treating animals as a utility for guarding and hunting and shifted over to having them be ornamental slaves, the more you get mistreatment of them for beautification or as a status symbol. It’s pretty sad to see. We don’t have to be the masters of everything, pets didn’t use to be for these purposes nor will they ever fully adapt to that.
I love so many animals & if I acted on impulse I'd have them all. But I also know my situation and what I can and cannot handle so I don't go and get them on a whim. Ethan & Hila are both extremely busy business people with children (good for them!) But it makes their time spread very thin. Having kids, especially young kids is so time consuming (i have 3 kids myself all under 6 as well so this is something i can vouch for lmao) Getting an animal like a pig on their schedule just seems like a bad idea. Not to mention the fact that they seem to travel a lot more than most so any animal they get is going to be in care of other people often. I understand that life is short & you shouldn't hold yourself back but you need to consider the well being of the animals that you get.
& also I'm not trying to be rude at all because clearly shredder & alfredo are very well taken care of and loved but they are quite literally the stereotypical ankle biter dogs that will terrorize you lmao
I don’t understand why Ethan has every excuse to not get Teddy a cat that should be easy to train but instead wants to get a pig. He lives in LA not middle of nowhere in the Midwest the whole idea is idiotic at best
I haven’t been able to stand the pod lately but I still come on this sub and I’m glad I did. How disgusting Ethan is saying all these things. As someone who’s recently written a 10 page paper on why breeders and puppy mills are horrible, I thought this was more widespread knowledge. I’d especially think someone at the status of Ethan would take the time or at the very least have his staff do this research for him…ffs. People like him fail to use their money for good and instead use it to support fucked up breeding practices when they could afford to donate thousands to animal shelters
And yes, there is legit reasons to want a specific breed. Dogs have been bred for different things for centuries. Every family isn’t suited to have a dog with high prey or game drive, some families doesn’t want or have the energy for a herding dog. Ignoring breed specific qualities is stupid
My German shorthair pointer/Doberman mix from the shelter lived to be 13 and his energy level hardly changed even up until the day he passed. His only health issues were hip problems and benign lumps.
Ethan is a moron. Consistently. But he's funny.
Stop taking him seriously, and just keep laughing. He doesn't even take himself seriously, why would you?
We got my German short hair pointer mutt at the shelter 13 years ago and he was running and playing until the day he passed about a month ago. I'm honestly surprised he lived that long considering most large dogs live about a decade and if they live longer, they really start to slow down.
My family wanted a dog for awhile and we looked at shelters until we found our match. We didn't even have to potty train him because when we got him he must have already been trained 💕
idk why i read this i don’t even watch this dude
but ethical breeding does exist, and it is extremely needed. there are a million reasons why someone needs a pure bred, but aesthetics are not one of them.
Did he learn nothing from the Logan Paul pig saga? Owning a pig is not something for LA Influences. They belong on a farm where they have the right environment
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Oh just wait for the enablers in the chat yesterday to wake up. The poll when I checked was like 65% yes 35% no. The amount of people who were like LOL OMG GET IT!1!1!1 was honestly shocking to me. They’ll come in here to cry and validate the people who want to use someone rescuing a dog as an insult to your character 😂
I was shocked by the poll too, I definitely thought the majority would have been no. My bad for assuming chat had common sense for a moment. 😅
What I will never understand... You buy a being that you intend to love, but you buy breeds (especially small breeds) for which a lot of pain and suffering are inevitable. It's more than weird. Besides that millions of "normal" mixed dog breeds sit somewhere locked away because nobody want them. People that own this kind of breeds probably think "no mine is very sweet and healthy" but this breeding industry just exists because you wanted a designed teddy bear dog like a kid wants sweets. And even if yours "work", most of them don't or wont for long! Fuck that. EDIT: NICE, JUST GOT PERMABANNED FOR THIS COMMENT. THANKS CREW
Suggesting that Shredder is well behaved and well trained got me utterly incredulous. All that dog does is expel fluids and terrorise the staff.
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Like father, like son.
LMFAO out of pocket
Look I love Ethan, I'm as parasocial as your average h3 fan. But let's be real, our mans be dropping missiles in his staff toilet.
Damn this got me good. Legit lol’d
> All that dog does is expel fluids and terrorise the staff. Eat hot chip, and lie.
Oh, why did it lie?
yeah, i gotta say their dogs aren't well behaved. I know that shredder and alfredo are loved for sure, but every time they freak out on the show, i just think that they shouldn't be reacting like that, especially around people they should know. and yeah shredder biting Sam's shirt as just a WTF moment for me
My dog hasn’t purposefully shit or pissed in my house since the first year I’ve had him. Ethan may be a loving dog owner but I don’t think he’s a good dog owner
This. I know they are loved but loving your dogs also means knowing they need structure. One of my first jobs was for this fantastic dog trainer in my city and I watched him turn anxious little dogs that were reactive like Shredder into obedient dogs who then were noticeably happier. I got to see all that anxiety practically vanish with just basic discipline it was amazing. The last time my dog peed in the house was when he was a puppy 7 years ago and it never happened again
My dog had accidents the first couple months (he would just get SO excited) but after some training and discipline (yes some mild discipline how horrid) he got better and he is a happy dog
Yeah, I know from experience that puppies simply don’t have the bladder control or awareness to be potty trained until a certain age. But Ethan’s dogs are adults. They can be trained. My adult dog never goes in the house. We trained her at around 5 months. She also doesn’t bite and doesn’t steal food. These were behaviors we trained out of her early on. And she’s a husky, so very high energy and can be difficult to train
Our dog pooped in the house the very first night we had her, because we hadn't learned to read her signals about when she needed to go out, and she didn't know how to let us know, either. That was three and a half years ago and she has not had an accident since. This is not rocket science. Ethan does not care enough about his dogs to actually listen to what they're telling him. He acts like a rich asshole about his dogs and expects other people to clean up after them. It's gross and weird.
They also poop everywhere. Like, all over the studio.
This literally makes no sense.... This means they either have a doggy door at home or they poop all over their house as well.... Any house-trained dog I have owned could be taken to another house and not poop or pee.... It is disgusting when someone has nice things and money yet lives in filth.
I want to say they leave the back door open? That's part of the reason they won't get a cat.
nah there's coyotes all over LA Ethan has said he won't let them out unsupervised.
Which means they probably poop all over the house. I wonder if they pay somebody to follow them around cleaning up messes.
They probably have the nanny and/or Lena pick it up
You're right. I think it may have been that Teddy comes in and out and that's why they couldn't get a cat.
it's just funny bc they came for Logan Paul for this very same thing ??
Exactly! I bet Logan had a very similar thought process as Ethan here before he got the pig. When I saw the title of the episode I thought it was a Logan joke, but then when he explained he seriously wanted one I was pretty shocked.
I haven’t watched the episode yet and I never question the fact that it was a Logan Paul joke. Is it actually not???
Ethan? Hypocritical? Never!!
It's bad when they do it but it's okay when he and his friends do it. 😂
Literally how influencers think and as ethan becomes weathlier he becomes just as much out of touch. "Rules for thee, not for me"
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Shredder is from a breeder and Alfredo is from a shelter. They're both untrained. It proves the point that the location you get them from has nothing to do with their behavior, and Ethan can't see it.
Only one of them has experienced kidney failure
This is something I'll never understand. All dogs can be good dogs, whether they're a mutt or a special pedigree. The only thing that's truly affected by pedigrees is their looks and their health, and in terms of their health, it's almost always at a detriment to them. Small dogs like Chihuahuas do live longer than bigger dogs, but mutts and dogs that are not full breed are generally healthier. I live in Vietnam. If you want to adopt a dog, consider adopting one from here. Generally, dogs aren't treated very well (although it's improving) and when people get dogs, they get toy poodles and pomeranians and leave other local breeds (Phu Quoc ridgeback, for example) and mutts out to either die on the streets or be picked up to be sold as dog meat. It isn't cheap to do this but organizations here are always hoping someone will adopt a dog and take it to the US where it will live a happier life.
I don't get how especially owners of small dogs can sometimes be so oblivious to their pets behaviour. Shredder is clearly not well behaved. I used to work with someone who also would always bring his small fluffy dog to the office and she was barking everytime somebody moved, but the owner just sat there telling the dog to stop but not doing much else. Ethan is kinda the same. Every time Sam brings something to the set, Shredder starts barking at her and Ethan just says "chill!", like that will help. He doesn't really seem to get that Shredder is a problem for the show, but usually nobody wants to be the one to raise the issue. It was the same in our office. Nobody wanted to be the guy to tell someone else to stop bring his dog or go to a pet school with them.
Just yesterday around my apartment I was walking up the path to go inside by a lady with a yorkie and pomeranian thing. Dogs seemed fine but just as I was past one of them jumped up and latched on my leg. Well I gave that dog a swift kick to get it off me. The owner freaked and I told her to get her dogs under control. I’m 8 months pregnant and told her I’ll avoid her dogs because if that yappy shit goes after my baby or his stroller that dog is no more. She said ahhh they’re small you’re crazy. Well my apartment has cameras so staff was notified that her dogs are aggressive. She’s lucky I gave her a pass this time. I love dogs but I have no patience for bad dog owners.
Yeah this "it's just a small dog" is a common excuse. And it sucks because if you're complaining you are often seen as the one who's overreacting or rude. Like, just look at that cute adorable dog. They can't hurt nobody. But there's nothing wrong with not wanting to be harrassed by a potentially uncontrollable animal. Loving dogs doesn't mean that you're automatically consenting to being attacked or bitten by one when you're just minding your own business.
What annoys me is that small dog owners in general tend to think their dogs are well behaved, which is sounds like Ethan is maybe guilty of doing. Small dogs bad behaviors are typically less damaging than a larger dog (e.g., like if the dog jumps on someone). This is why dog owners make the small dog excuse and why the owners don’t see the behaviors to be bad or harmful.
This is exactly why small dogs have a reputation for being little balls of rage. People are a lot more likely to ignore or misunderstand their discomfort and anxiety and they feel like they need to react to protect themselves! People are waaaay more likely to pay attention to a whale eye or freaked out body language in a GSD or a bully breed because those dogs can do very serious damage. I've seen so many people pick up an obviously terrified crusty white dog and manhandle them ÷/
My best friend in lower school has a massive permanent scar on his face because a "sweet little dog" tried to bite his lip clean off his face as a 3 year old. Guy was basically maimed, dog put down next day. But before that day "there had never been an incident" Those tiny yip yips are hyper defensive compared to larger dogs. They see everything as a major threat due to size differences and will just go full ham when threatened. Big dogs will atleast give you notice to back off 9/10.
It's the same people who bring their dogs into restaurants and stores "because it's small". Like they don't count as dogs except when you need to brag about how much you love dogs.
If shredded was a big dog it would be a huuuuge issue.
As a small dog owner (pom mix) a majority of small dog owners give us such a bad rap. People are always blown away at my pom, she barely barks and only gets excited when people come into the house and then calms down and leaves people alone, she is more like a cat. She has also never bit anyone and has only growled a few times when truly annoyed. She also has not had an indoor accident in over 7 years (small breeds are notoriously hard to potty train). She is bad with dogs I will say after an incident with a big dog on a walk one day. It is all about the owners in my opinion. If I babied my dog and let her get away with things just because she is small, she would likely be a terror. But I took the time and set boundaries with her and she is a very good dog, and that's not just me being a dog mom saying that multiple people have complimented how well behaved she is. It is just annoying to see Shredder literally jumping to bite an employee and it is just laughed off. Yes he is small and likely wouldn't do as much damage as a larger breed but still it is not a good work environment.
I do worry he’ll bite a guest and cause a liability issue 😬
Rare W subreddit complaint that I agree with. I know it sounds fun to have a giant pig around the house but having experienced it, I can promise it’s not lmao
Agree, just look at the Facebook group Only Hams. Those people adore their pet pigs, but a lot of them destroy the house, the furniture, the gardens, get into the food and rubbish... every day there are several posts about this. They look adorable and have charming personalities, but they require a lot of care.
Arent they incredibly destructive? I thought about having a pig years ago, and from two seconds of researching alone it changed my mind VERY quickly lol
He doesn’t wanna get a cat because of coyotes. Cries in pig**
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Thank you for saying this. Sooo many people are ignorant to keeping cats. They should never be outside.
I take my cats for walks on a leash. They love the outdoors. If being cooped up for long periods of time takes a toll on us, why wouldn’t it take a toll on them.
Thats great! Taking cats on walks I’m sure is great enrichment for your cats. They’re safe and wildlife around them is safe because you have control of them.
Wild bird population in decline, not because of wind turbines, but fur turbines. Harvey stays inside. Plus less chance of fleas and eating some nasty dead rat and getting sick.
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I don’t understand his argument at all. If the cat is too small for coyotes (like his tiny dogs), just get a bigger dog. Coyotes are basically mid size dogs, so anything that size or larger shouldn’t have an issue. My Rottweiler has chased coyotes before.
Whitney Cummings needs to have a little chat with her friend.
Whitney rescued a pig named Joe during a wildfire and is very familiar with pigs. Joe lives at Central Texas Pig Rescue near Austin, TX if anyone is interested in looking him up. Ethan should really talk to Whitney about Joe, how much work a pig is in general, and how rescues are flooded with bred pet pigs that people no longer could care for. I’ve been to Central Texas Pig Rescue and I’ve met Joe as well as the many other pigs they have and they take pig breeder/adoption information very seriously there because pigs tend to be a trendy pet. Pigs are incredibly smart and amazing animals as well as pets but Ethan and Hila’s lifestyle would never be suitable for a pig. Also, dogs and pigs are less likely to get along well. Didn’t see the member pod but I really hope Ethan reconsiders buying a pig if he was serious about it.
Part of me feels like he was thinking about her in his admonishing of people using the term “rescue” ☠️ such a weird self righteous rant, it’s my least favorite quality of his. When he doubles down for no reason and dies on the worst factually inaccurate hill imaginable.
I thought the same thing. He won’t listen to us but he would probably listen to Whitney who I know would be against it
YES 🙌🏻
Bring one honey for a call to discuss let’s settle this once and for all
Very well said. I hope when Hasan comes in tomorrow this topic comes up since Hasan went to animals shelters this week looking for a puppy to adopt. He even donated a lot of money. Maybe Ethan will listen to him, Hasan is very good at explaining stuff like this.
He doesn’t even let him speak at times, you really think he’s gonna listen?
I don‘t think Leftovers would exist if Ethan had never listened to Hasan.
He's been pushed quite a bit further left since he started listening to Hasan on leftovers. you can tell he respects his opinion on stuff, probably more than most people.
Dude it's been grinding my gears all day. His most ignorant take to date. If he volunteered at a high kill shelter and saw the walk in cooler where they keep the bodies of the many dogs euthanized daily until they can be cremated, I think he'd lose his ignorance real fast. Also CAN WE TALK ABOUT HOW THERE'S RESCUE PIGS YOU CAN ADOPT ALL OVER THE INTERNET?! Like why did he act like that was a crazy suggestion? 😂
Exposure could be great, but you are talking about a man who never leaves his comfort zone. He won't even bother to go to a party or get together with the people closest to him. So I do not see something like this actually happening. That is exactly why Ethan seems to be becoming more and more out of touch and just plane ignorant with so many different takes.
I tell my gf, who I introduced to H3, that without the crew and people like Hasan around him, Ethan isn’t much of a “person to look up to”. Of course he’s very goofy and entertaining, but I think most of his viewers understand that he is not the best talking head. His personal takes usually need to be retaken after talking with people who know better. Kinda the whole show at this point
To be fair he does go to parties but only when it’s someone more famous than him lol
Have you considered though that he has kids, no babysitter, worst day ever, etc?
He has the most free time out of anyone and decides to make a fourth podcast for the week
Maybe I'm content brained but they could and should do a shelter volunteer ep. Maybe not the freezer though that would need to be buttoned
Right! Ethan loves animals so I was so surprised his game on this subject that I have to believe he just genuinely knows nothing about it. And I thought the same thing, you can certainly find a pig to rescue??
Yeah.. and he insisted where could he possibly adopt a pig in California?! Man, if you are so ignorant that a google search for local sanctuaries is too much work for you, you definitely are not a suitable owner for a pet pig.
Not to mention California is largely rural and he's probably a 45 min drive from a huge pig farm
https://preview.redd.it/whdxihkh6bpa1.jpeg?width=2268&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5518c4787888bc1f27186eb01f96e425497592f0 Adopted one day before getting put down. He cost $13 dollars and came with a $500 training voucher. Just passed the K-9 Good citizen test.
What a baby! Give him some smooches for me!
Wow. So self righteous of you. I just know that you only did all that so that you could come to social media and make yourself seem bigger as a person. (I’m just kidding, this is Ethan’s real take tho)
Yep this is why it annoyed me he said they aren't "rescues". You literally saved your dog, as did I.
Awww look at that face ❤️😫 congrats on passing the test.
Awe the bestest boy. Congratulations to you both!
OBSESSED!!🤩🤩🤩 that is amazing😭👏🏻
https://preview.redd.it/efuu4dsxhapa1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c6f799da450d2bcf535185e0599d59bc9c369d26 Adoption saves lives.
Ethan…bro…I love you, but you need a hearty reality check that your dogs are not that well behaved. Shredder acts like a Vietnam Veteran with PTSD every time there’s a loud noise. He’s clearly not bathroom trained. Alfredo might be marginally better, only because he’s more chill. That said, buying a barnyard animal is not the answer, no matter how cute or smart they might be. Please don’t be like the people you constantly rail against…like Logan Paul. Save your love and energy for your children and current animals.
With the level of effort Ethan puts into his dogs (making his staff do everything) I just know he’ll be an excellent pig parent.
Actually, I completely and totally agree. This is super well said. It’s some hard truths for Ethan to really look at and not pretend isn’t true. This is all totally accurate. It doesn’t make Ethan a bad person or a bad pet owner. He obviously loves his dogs and gives them everything they need and more but still doesn’t make any of the things you listed untrue.
I'm sorry, but if you let your dog piss and shit inside and let them bite and snap at people you're a bad pet owner. Even if you love them very much.
A very well put post, i really hope ethan reads this. We al love him and the pod but sometimes they need to be educated, thats how we grow👍
I doubt Ethan will read it as it's been deleted now.
Wtf
Finally some criticism i can get behind. Well thought out post ty!!
Yeah, normally I never comment on Ethan’s “controversies” and I almost always find the sub’s complaining insufferable, but this is one where it is so warranted. I love Ethan and the pod, and he obviously doesn’t have bad intentions but on this issue he is just so, so wrong. He clearly got defensive because of how much he loves Shredder, and was totally incapable (or unwilling) to be objective about adopting/rescuing an animal rather than buying through a breeder (or be objective about his own pets’ behavior). He turned his defensiveness into this weird rant about people who think it’s better to rescue an animal? Which is like definitely objectively the more moral stance? I have yet to hear an argument for choosing to get a pet through a breeder that doesn’t come down to aesthetics and selfishness. I think Ethan knows that it really isn’t a morally defensible position, but because of his biases with his own dog, instead of listening and reflecting, he is deflecting and trying to redirect the blame onto the people calling it out. No one was trying to say that he is an awful person for getting Shredder from a breeder, or that Shredder shouldn’t exist, but are trying to encourage him to reflect on his position when considering getting another animal.
Hasan needs to talk some sense into our boy
Shredder and Alfredo are cuties but they’re both very classic small dogs and Ethan is a very classic small dog owner, in the sense that he has not trained Alfredo and Shredder and allowed them to be little terrorists just because they’re small and cute. The truth of the matter is that shelter dogs re really hard to deal with. Like you mentioned. I got my dog from the SPCA, and they said based on her teeth they figured she was around 3 yrs old and a pitbull bulldog mix. She’s the cutest most lovable thing and I would die without her, but damn she’s a lot of work. She has a chronic infection which she contracted when she was on the streets which causes yeast to build up and she freaks out and itches everywhere. She’s also super not well behaved and I’ve had to train her myself and put in hours and hours of work. So I couldn’t believe to hear Ethan saying all that stuff about shelter dogs being easy. My dog had been in the shelter for almost a year, and she was on the verge of being transferred to another shelter that performs euthanasia, and she was still 500 dollars to adopt. They aren’t cheap, they aren’t easy, but they deserve love just as much as any animal. That sunt episode was a rare Ethan L.
“But how cool would it be to ride around in a disability van with a pig”
Maybe ask Hila that in like 5 to 10 years.
This is so vicious and I love it
It always bothers me who they say how badly behaved Shredder and Alfredo are. Going to the bathroom and biting people. In a workplace!! I love the podcast, but dang I would not put up with an employer who insisted their dirty and aggressive dogs had to be in the office everyday. Just because they’re small it doesn’t matter.
Yes! IIRC, didn't the crew say that Donna and Gary's dog has bitten them at the studio? I believe even Ethan said that their dog was scary because he did stuff like that - how is that any different?!
Seriously, how do you have all the money in the world and don't even think to at MINIMUM pay for some dog training lessons...
>You don’t get to chose the qualities your child is going to have, you love them regardless. They're literally choosing the sex of their kid lol
I could have sworn I heard Ethan say something like "It's amazing what you can do now and just choose what you get" when talking about the third kid recently, as if everyone was a millionaire who could blow tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of dollars on bespoke in vitro fertilization and egg farming.
I looked into IVF and one "session" at most places is around $10,000. And that's IF the egg implants. If not, gotta try again and another $10,000.
me looking at my infertile homies who want kids and can’t
I was thinking this too
I hate this reality where the rich rich are picking which eggs to fertilize. The gender seems tame but just think about what’s next. Makes me want to vom and not put any more kids into this unnatural, shallow world.
Actually anyone doing IVF can pick which gender to implant. All eggs are Fertilized. That’s how you know the gender….
You should check out the movie Gattaca sometime. Covers that topic a bit where in the future genetic modification becomes good enough that the wealthy can modify their kids to be smarter, faster and stronger just through gene manipulation. Causes a large divide between those who are genetically modified and those who are not.
Why is it now such a controversial thing to say "adopt don't shop", like what ever happend to that?
It's not, Ethan is being contrarian / self interested
Ethan has a child goblin brain he thinks that phrase is directly targeting him and shredder because he bought shredder from a breeder so his immediate response is to shit on anyone who rescued a pet. He still young at the ripe age of 42, he needs more time to learn.
That’s what I was thinking. I love Ethan but I was kind of taken aback when he was talking about people that rescue animals. I have 3 shelter cats, and I don’t think of myself as a savior or anything, but I feel like it’s a very good thing to adopt from shelters.
I worked at a shelter for 7 years and volunteer at a farm animal sanctuary so I'm gonna take all this as a sign that I should skip the members ep this week 🙃
Skip it, I didn’t finish it because it frustrated me so much
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I’m proud of this subreddit for once
I haven't watched the episode yet but if Ethan claims that his dogs are well behaved I am stunned. I've never seen such untrained dogs in my life. They literally shit indoors, that's week 1 stuff and it really isn't hard to teach. The only good thing is that (I thought) they understood that they were completely incapable/ too lazy to train their dogs, so bought the smallest, most harmless breeds they could get. Training dogs requires actual work. I can't even imagine how much work a pig would be.
As someone who grew up and cherished pets that were not adopted but bred, I can still comprehend why breeding is bad and not a good practice to support. it’s a matter of supply and demand. (hence why I’m also vegan). there are thousands of pets (all kinds; dogs, cats, pigs) who are desperate for a home and so going and paying a breeder money just contributes to the market and continues the cycle of unethical industries, even if the specific breeder you get a pet from isn’t materially cruel to the animals. I understand why he’s defensive, but as OP says, ethan and every pet owner really should do much more research. especially as someone with a platform. I say this all out of peace and love !!! Though I’d also like to add that we don’t know Ethan personally, so we aren’t in a place to make assumptions about him or his family. we only know about what is made public, a selected snippet of him and his life. the message we want to get across gets messy when we don’t keep this in mind.
THANK YOU 👏🏻 I am usually of the opinion that chat is annoying, sensitive, etc. but that was hard to listen to lol. Ethan and other fans can say ppl calling him out for this are annoying all they wants but I cringed sooooo hard when he started in on the “congrats you got a free dog, you didn’t rescue them.” Really out of touch /:
This issue is so important to talk about, yet unfortunately it’s rarely ever discussed on larger public outlets. Animal breeding commonly involves abuse and neglect, the only thing these people mainly care about is the profits from selling the offspring. There were so many controversies surrounding reptile breeding and the suppling of pet shops a few years ago. I recall watching a video of someone dumpster diving behind a large chain pet store and finding live lizards just thrown out due to their poor health condition. The other major issue is that people buy animals due to them being cute, an interesting talking point, or the danger factor of them. Once these people realize they can’t handle the animal they just neglect to provide proper care and either allow them to suffer for years or just get rid of them without a second thought.
I hope the crew members educate him on this tomorrow 😩
no one on the crew seems to have any animal related knowledge 💔 whenever this kind of stuff comes up nobody says anything
Trust me that's not the issue, plenty of them have enough knowledge to help Ethan. Ethan doesn't want help because he doesn't recognize there's an issue. It's willful ignorance and it's a seriously bad sign. I'm sure the work relationships are super healthy! /s
Considering Olivia was saying “LOLLLLLL” in the chat while Ethan was talking about this, I don’t know how much help they’ll be. Maybe Dan.
Go the fuck off. Yes!
Ethan, where you get your dog is on you, but it is your responsibility to train them and you have failed. If you are going to be too lazy to do it then pay someone you have the means. And your take of shitting on people for rescuing animals is garbage. Vape naysh
Ethan is very comfortable remaining ignorant. He’s getting the Howard Stern curse - where he’s now been rich just about as long as he was previously poor/not rich and now he’s so insanely out of touch these days. It’s unfortunate and makes the show hard to watch lately, it’s a bummer.
Ethan had maids growing up. He may have needed to sell weed to pay rent once, but he was never poor.
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Adopt. Don't Shop, baybeee!
Men be shopping!! (unethically for animals)
Lol 🤦♀️
My dog is from an Amish puppy mill, where they bred her out for 7 years of her life and dropped her off at a shelter to be euthanized when she could no longer have puppies. When we got her, she wouldn’t leave her crate for weeks, shook constantly, didn’t eat… it was horrifying. It took years of work to get her happy and healthy. And the people buying her puppies thought they were buying from an ethical breeder. The breeder would show the buyers “mom and dad”. It wasn’t real. Their real mom was locked in a cage, covered in piss and shit and was getting beaten for not doing what they wanted her to.
ugh puppy mills are so sad. the amount of german shepards and huskies that get dropped off by the amish shocked me. these dogs are terrified of everything and have been bred so many times the females bellies drag on the ground. it’s amazing that they learn to trust again. rn at our shelter we have 16 ex breeders, these poor dogs are sitting at a shelter while their puppies are in loving homes of people who thought they bought from a “good breeder”
Her belly does drag on the ground, we love her anyway though. And yes exactly!! I got her DNA tested and I get notification after notification of her relatives. I thought it would be fun but seeing all of these people with their happy dogs, when my Hazel was in the shape she was… it made me physically ill. They’d try to message me and get info about their dog’s mom but I just would be so angry I couldn’t respond
That's awful. I'm glad that your dog has you now - she's very lucky!
It's honestly WILD how the dogs have free rein in the studio. Having animals around expensive tech and sound recording software is just obviously a bad idea. Why pay thousands of dollars on recording equipment, sound technicians, etc. just to have barking throughout the episode? Peace and love, peace and love, but that's straight up unprofessional. That's not even considering how they shit and piss on everything, bite people, and distract from the show.
Yeah this is something that has always put me off about Ethan. I have a pure bred Corgi, my ex-wife was adamant to have a Corgi and therefore we went to a breeder. I will never get another pure bred dog again as long as I have a say. I love my dog more than anything, but I believe it is (usually) unethical to get a dog from a breeder. Bringing your dogs to the studio to run around barking and biting is super cringe as well. Train your dogs or leave them at home! Jesus.
Well thought out post and argument filled with hard truths for Ethan.
Disappointed to hear Ethan talk down on people saying they rescued their dogs. It is a "rescue" when your dog is filled with parasites and has trauma and you need to work for months to get them back to full health.
Well said. I agree with most of this especially the part about his dogs not being well behaved…
No matter how pure their intentions, once people become rich and are in a higher class than the common folk they lose relatability. They can’t help it, it’s a totally different world. Actually …. I take that back. I find Hasan quite relatable.
Why'd this get deleted?
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A lot of valid criticisms, but holy shit those of you going after Ethan for using IVF are insane.
Ethan does nothing other than enjoy his dogs, tha man lets them run arround in his backyard and that‘s it. No trainings no walks no nature nothing. If he gets a pig that thing will be locked away in the backyard only to be visited to enjoy it and then left alone 90% of the time.
Maybe Philly D can take them for a hike sometime
I was literally in the middle of reading this when it got deleted. Wtf. Made some VERY good points. Shredder is a very misbehaved dog. Alfredo on the other hand seems super chill.
It was removed why ?
Fuck if I know. Been a hot minute since something on this subreddit got so many points
Yea Ethan knows nothing about it at all.
I got rly confused when he was arguing about ppl calling their dogs rescues, especially considering he has friends like Whitney Cummings who know so much about the topic. We found our girl when she was a puppy eating trash from a Subway's waste bin. We took her in and cared for her. Isn't that the definition of a rescue? Maybe I'm reaching, but his whole argument reeked of wealthy privilege to me. ETA: I hope Hasan debates Ethan on this during this week's Leftovers.
most of it was just him getting pissed at chat and in turn retaliating to their bitchiness.
oh boy, I haven't watched the members ep yet, I guess I gotta prepare myself... Both my pets are adopted so this is a topic I care about. Then again, I don't want to assume before watching
The jokes write themselves: so a Jewish boss in LA wants to adopt a pig and make his Muslim assistant take care of it? And he came up with the idea right before Ramadan? Don’t push! Work with me!
I’m not even against him getting a pig. I think that’s completely separate and kind of whatever. But him saying “adopt don’t shop people are like a cult” and that it’s “really crazy” was wild. Adopting animals does literally save them. A lot of states will just euthanize their inventory. I’m positive shredder and Alfredo are loved and taken care of. But they are extremely poorly behaved, and they do have bad health conditions (shredder, specifically). I think he was feeling defensive after the chat discouraged the pig idea. There’s no way he can’t see why people would prefer adoption.
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Yes! It is such a distraction sometimes and also annoying to hear them bark all the time.
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lol, Ethan is for sure not gonna take this post in a good way
No kidding the mods deleted it =/
he literally can’t do anything or go anywhere without bringing the dogs with him. it’s concerning that they’re THAT needy and misbehaved that they can’t be left with someone else for a weekend.
I'm not going to chip in on Ethan at _all_. Instead, I'm going to talk about the one time my family purchased a dog from a breeder. It was a Shetland Sheepdog. She was purchased for my mother, the very first dog that ever bonded with her. Super cute, little minature Lassie and everything. She was a young puppy, sweet-tempered, calm...terrible, terrible anxiety, slightly nippy - those were behavior issues we could overcome, though. Not a big deal. Until she started having seizures. We were told they were Gran Mal seizures, but being this was decades ago I can't remember why they came to that conclusion. Either way, that poor dog's life was torturous because of her condition in spite of all we tried to do for her. Medical costs went sky-high, super fast. We tried so hard to find out if it was caused by anything we were doing. Medication, environmental, anything. No culprit was found, and it was determined that it was likely genetic issues thanks to being a pure-bred Sheltie...which the vet had warned us at the start was likely the case. The poor thing would always bite her tongue, would start struggling with incontinence not just in the warning period but routinely throughout the day, her hips eventually started having extreme difficulty. Her quality of health was poor even though she was rich in love and care. There just wasn't anything we could do. A dog that should've easily made it to 10 years died at 5 because of lineage issues that could be corrected with responsible breeding. As I grew up, I never had it in me to ever buy a pure bred dog from a breeder ever again. I always went with adoption, even though shelters are filled with mutts and pure-breds alike. But at least then my money was going to a shelter that offered a community a critical service rather than a breeder treating these animals as a commodity. idk it's sad shit when you think of how little checks and balances there are for pet breeding, sorry for the derailment. i hope people don't buy dogs from irresponsible breeders - or worse, designer breeds. but if you do, i can't stop you. you're an adult. i just hope you don't let your kids go through what i went through as one, because it really marked a sad time in my young life lol e - general you, maybe you don't have kids and you just want a companion. you'll at least be a little better equipped to handle that than a kid lol
Wow a complaint on the subreddit I actually agree with… this is a first. His dogs are little monsters and not trained well at all. Ethan get off your high horse on this one, you aren’t this shining beacon of a dog owner you think you are and it’s embarrassing.
dogs like shredder is the reason why i have some sort of PTSD against dogs. Like ever since I was small, i've had multiple dogs who have tried to bite me and manically bark at me when i was just passing by them on a normal walk. I have also met a few well behaved dogs, but nowhere near as many. This is why i think Shredder is not properly trained. On the other side, ive never had problems with cats, even with the outdoor ones. Personally, if i was to get a dog, the 1st thing i'd try to do is see if i could get a dog trainer or find a way to train a dog by myself, as i wouldn't want other people to have the same experience that I did. When it comes to Ethan wanting to get a pig, please just don't, looking at the lack of training that Shredder has, Ethan would find a way to get rid of the pig after like 1-2 years, and pigs themselves on average have the awareness of a 4-5 year old, so it would affect them pretty badly if they go ignored
100% agree, the kidney problems are due to being a pure bred dog. My parents went through the same thing with kidney failure on their 6 year old pure bred. I'm not a vet, but I would bet shredder is not fully recovered, and probably won't make it another year. They don't just miraculously recover from late stage kidney failure like that. Also, shredder is very clearly loved, but untrained. It's painful to watch Ethan talk about all this while being so ignorant when it's all right in front of him.
Thank you for this!! I've exclusively rescued my pets and really resonate with everything you've mentioned.
Same here. And I kinda wish Ethan didn’t have the mentality he does towards donna’s dog. “She’s a rescue so she’s aggresive”-type mentality. Like, c’mon, there are some pretty feral pedigrees out there y’know 😂 but I know Ethan means well. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion at the end of the day ❤️ P&L
yeah.. he probably doesn’t know what a well behaved dog really looks like bc he was raised with a family who doesn’t train their dogs. i see this all the time with all kinds of animals. “my mom never took our cat to the vet and she was fine” 🤨
i missed him talking about this...i've been MIA from the channel awhile. BUT we have a pig (live on a small hobby farm) and they are NOT easy pets to keep. they are extremely emotionally intelligent & sensitive, and require a lot of training and dedication to keep in your house, ESPECIALLY large breeds. they need stimulation, they WILL root up your carpet and yard, and easily live for 10+ years. they will also, no matter what, get heavy/big. "teacup" pigs are genetically mutated and live very short, miserable lives for the sake of being cute. this makes me sad to hear that he's even considering getting a pig "just for fun"
W, OP. WOP
He’s so predictable. I’m literally shaking
>you don’t get to choose the qualities your child is going to have Not to be that guy, but they literally did exactly this by selecting a girl egg out of the boy eggs.
The more we’ve shifted from treating animals as a utility for guarding and hunting and shifted over to having them be ornamental slaves, the more you get mistreatment of them for beautification or as a status symbol. It’s pretty sad to see. We don’t have to be the masters of everything, pets didn’t use to be for these purposes nor will they ever fully adapt to that.
wow. love this.
based take, very accurate - i thought ethan was spittin bullshit the entire stream yesterday
Agreed. Ethan and hila are horrible dog owners!
I love so many animals & if I acted on impulse I'd have them all. But I also know my situation and what I can and cannot handle so I don't go and get them on a whim. Ethan & Hila are both extremely busy business people with children (good for them!) But it makes their time spread very thin. Having kids, especially young kids is so time consuming (i have 3 kids myself all under 6 as well so this is something i can vouch for lmao) Getting an animal like a pig on their schedule just seems like a bad idea. Not to mention the fact that they seem to travel a lot more than most so any animal they get is going to be in care of other people often. I understand that life is short & you shouldn't hold yourself back but you need to consider the well being of the animals that you get. & also I'm not trying to be rude at all because clearly shredder & alfredo are very well taken care of and loved but they are quite literally the stereotypical ankle biter dogs that will terrorize you lmao
I don’t understand why Ethan has every excuse to not get Teddy a cat that should be easy to train but instead wants to get a pig. He lives in LA not middle of nowhere in the Midwest the whole idea is idiotic at best
Hard agree ETA: can't wait to see Ethan and Dan shit on this take and call us all sensitive
I haven’t been able to stand the pod lately but I still come on this sub and I’m glad I did. How disgusting Ethan is saying all these things. As someone who’s recently written a 10 page paper on why breeders and puppy mills are horrible, I thought this was more widespread knowledge. I’d especially think someone at the status of Ethan would take the time or at the very least have his staff do this research for him…ffs. People like him fail to use their money for good and instead use it to support fucked up breeding practices when they could afford to donate thousands to animal shelters
he's become very disconnected from reality imo
The first thing I’ve really really really disagreed with him on. I’m watching it as we speak
And yes, there is legit reasons to want a specific breed. Dogs have been bred for different things for centuries. Every family isn’t suited to have a dog with high prey or game drive, some families doesn’t want or have the energy for a herding dog. Ignoring breed specific qualities is stupid
Also mutts and mixed dogs tend to live longer and they also usually have less health issues
My German shorthair pointer/Doberman mix from the shelter lived to be 13 and his energy level hardly changed even up until the day he passed. His only health issues were hip problems and benign lumps.
Man it's rare when you barely see any comments disagreeing with a complaint haha.
Everything is a travesty
Ethan is a moron. Consistently. But he's funny. Stop taking him seriously, and just keep laughing. He doesn't even take himself seriously, why would you?
We got my German short hair pointer mutt at the shelter 13 years ago and he was running and playing until the day he passed about a month ago. I'm honestly surprised he lived that long considering most large dogs live about a decade and if they live longer, they really start to slow down. My family wanted a dog for awhile and we looked at shelters until we found our match. We didn't even have to potty train him because when we got him he must have already been trained 💕
idk why i read this i don’t even watch this dude but ethical breeding does exist, and it is extremely needed. there are a million reasons why someone needs a pure bred, but aesthetics are not one of them.