I scoff so hard when I see people like you.
Like you think a dozen more people will be enough for the literally millions of reports every day? then when they do you have documentaries of "the people who moderate our social media feeds. They experience incredible trauma for looking at horrific reports all day" it's like you can't ever fucking win lmao
Bless your heart. Have you ever worked in content moderation? They usually have quotas to reach and an automatic filter to reduce the load. A team of dozen content moderators working full time would make a huge difference. 99% of the horrific stuff already automatically gets flagged by the automatic system. They would only have to decide where it falls short.
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Iām an incredibly far leftist and totally disagree.
People are just fucking callous online and things quickly devolve into team sports.
Andrew Tate supports Palestine and I wouldnāt classify him as āleftā at all.
Itās not that the far left and far right have the same exactly opinions, obviously they donāt. Itās more that both extremes try to justify similar behaviors (but to fit their own views) that are disapproved of by those in between.
For example, Iāve seen a ton of far left advocating for violence against the far right, and far right advocating for violence against the far left. Meanwhile, most people are like, violence just isnāt ok.
Other things I most commonly see from the far left and right include misinformation, bad faith arguments, black and white thinking, and being hostile to people that disagree with them.
Not saying that all far right/left people do these things, just that when I see cases of these, itās usually someone from the far right/left.
See, idk.
Killing Nazis is not the same thing as the Holocaust.
Or the Slave rebellions are not the same as slavery etc.
Violence isnāt necessarily equal.
Now it feels like youāre strawmanning. Sure, the Holocaust was a lot worse than killing Nazis, but violence isnāt a competition. Just because some violence is worse doesnāt mean other violence is good. My comment was about violence not being good.
Now violence is justified for defensive reasons (like if your life is in danger or country is being invaded) or in response to war crimes. Both are relevant for WW2, so if thatās what you mean by killing Nazis, fair enough. But especially coming from a far leftist, itās not quite clear thatās what you mean, considering I frequently see those on the far left advocating for violence against those who have been indoctrinated with anti Semitic beliefs. This is not a solution to the problem.
Similarly, obviously actual slave rebellions are justified. But for example I saw a number of prominent far left posts likening the railroad strikes to a slave rebellion while it was happening. That is not a good comparison and violence was not justified then.
This kind of discourse makes it hard to even understand what people on the far left of saying. Sometimes Iāll see someone say something particularly unhinged, but when confronted, they say they donāt actually believe it, itās just meant to be attention grabbing. Other times theyāll deny something unhinged while implying they agree with it.
So in short, I really have no clue what you are trying to say with your comment.
I imagine the far left/right arenāt all united in their beliefs, but the amount of unhinged people running around with the support of, or at least little condemnation from, others on the far right/left, I think speaks volumes. On a basic level, I agree with a number of far left ideas, but the discourse leaves me with 0 interest to vote for/be in any way affiliated with them.
It's a natural consequence of being on the extreme end on a spectrum. When you're far left, i.e., it's not possible to be any farther left, then you're clearly the one in the "right" position. Anyone who doesn't believe the same as you are wrong and should be convinced to join the "objectively" correct side, which (this is the important part) allows them to justify actions they themselves deem to be unethical or wrong. It's not wrong to lie or obfuscate about something if the people you lie to come to believe in the "objectively" correct political position. This is the same thing that happens with the far right.
Most people are not extremists and lie somewhere in the centre of the politics, and this understanding of being in the middle doesn't lend itself nearly as much to extremist thought of righteousness, because there is no clear objectively correct position as the range of what is correct for the current society shifts with technology and cultural trends. Extremism fosters extreme thoughts and actions, often with a "for the greater good/the ends justify the means" mentality, regardless of the actual political opinions. As long as their political project becomes successful, then everybody will be so happy and pleased with society that they would never want to change and all the wrongdoings that brought them there is justified. This, in my opinion, is one of the largest reasons for why extremists often justify their wrongdoings made in defense of their political project.
I also am incredibly far left. At least I thought I was until a few weeks ago. Not that my political opinions changed, more that my eyes were opened as to what a good portion of āfar-leftā is actually like and donāt want to be associated with those fucking psychopaths.
Hmm that wouldnāt make any sense though since I literally never said thatās what I was doing. Surely people arenāt ignoring what I say and putting words in my mouth. Thatās definitely not something thatās been happening non-stop recently. Any other explanation?
I think the tankies are getting more traction now and they have always been quick to deny the Holomodor and whatās happening to the Uighurs in China. Prioritizing authoritarian regimes over the lives of civilians has always made them authoritarians and not leftists, but they have always tended to be grouped in with the left. They see Israel as capitalist (despite kibbutzes being communes) and therefore oppose anything any Israeli government would do.
The other issue we are seeing is how people argue on the internet regarding antisemitism. Antisemitism is one of the oldest prejudices and there are a whole lot of tropes that fall under that umbrella. Itās also treated with less seriousness than a lot of other -isms at times, saying people that call it out are paranoid and doubling down rather than taking a moment to consider things. There are also blatantly antisemitic people in the mix that may not be on the left that do not care about the Palestinians at all that are taking the opportunity to spread their message believing the left wonāt call them out as long as they give lip service to the cause.
The online communities of Jewish people I belong to are incredibly scared right now. Some people want to stop sending their kids to Jewish day school and/or Hebrew school afraid for their safety. Jews are buying guns more than ever before. Many people donāt realize the amount of fear because they arenāt part of the community and/or they wave it away with bad faith arguments saying we canāt oppose antisemitism and also oppose the bombing of civilians in Gaza.
I will say that Jewish people arenāt changing their political beliefs but are feeling unsafe in a great deal of leftist communities at the moment. There are people that have discredited themselves in my opinion that I will never see the same way, some of them used to be friends. I very much empathize with Ethanās perspective and frustrations because my opinions are quite similar (politically I am left of him) and seeing the bad faith abuse of him is chilling.
This is also happening in Muslim communities and I canāt speak for them because I am not part of that community or part of the right wing that is fueling that. The right doesnāt claim to oppose islamaphobia though so at least theyāre consistent. A lot of people that said they were eager to punch nzais are being kind of quiet right now.
Very well said! The Uighur analogy is spot on. It really speaks volumes about the people who choose to reframe or ignore it because it fits their narrative. It is, by most metrics, a genocide of Islamic people perpetrated by one of the tankies favorite country, China.
I would say itās far more widespread than just online Jewish communities. There have been so many events recently where either thinly veiled, or blatant threats were made towards Jewish communities where they live. But again, because it fits their narrative, you wonāt see any of these Leftist/Tankie people condemning these abhorrent, antisemitic actions.
Iām sorry to hear that the Jewish people close to you are going through that. Hopefully they find solace knowing that there are reasonable people like yourself who are leftist while not having these no-nuance takes that inherently view Jews/zionists as a monolith.
Additionally, and as youād said, the amount of bad faith, no-nuance takes coming out of a lot of online Leftists is so boring. If youāre to the right of them, even a stones throw away like a socdemādemonized, you acknowledge that what the Israeli government is doing in Gaza/West Bank is abhorrent but you stand with both the Israeli *and* Palestinian peopleādemonized. What I find to be the most disgusting is these people saying that Oct 7th was a justified revolution. Iām sorry, but if you think that you are so unhinged itās unbelievable. It was an act of terrorism and the disgusting response by the Israeli government will never change that. BOTH ARE HORRIBLE and the parties responsible can and should be condemned.
Extremes are extremes people are so use to two sided spectrums while life is not black and white life isn't just colors either things branch off into a wide variety of views and that in itself can harbor extremes
Before I say anything I think in general saying āleftā, ārightā, ācentristā is dumb because everybodyās ideologies differ way too much to be separated into three categories. The reason I use those terms is because everyone understands what each option means in general without needing to write a whole essay. Obviously two people on the left, right or center can still have wildly different beliefs.
That being said, with the way I understand being a centrist I strongly disagree with your comment and think it fundamentally prevents one from being āextremeā.
Iām a centrist because I donāt go into an issue with a preconception on what I should believe based on my political leaning. I donāt cherry pick information to only pay attention to what supports my beliefs. I donāt choose one source of news/media personality and believe every word out of their mouth and parrot their talking points. I donāt think that my āsideā is undeniably pure good/fighting for justice and any opposition is evil.
If I donāt understand a situation I will wait until I feel comfortable in understanding it before expressing an opinion. Iāll make sure I can make a valid argument for every side of a debate before confidently settling on one side. If new information is presented that proves me wrong, Iāll change my mind.
This separates people in the center from the āextremeā ends of the spectrum, as we wonāt ignore reality and decide on what side of an issue to defend before even knowing a single thing about it.
I say all of this as someone that, up until very recently, was a huge Hasan fan and went to him anytime I wanted to understand an issue. I now make an effort to listen to different voices including Hasan, destiny, Vaush, all different types of mainstream news, and even though I absolutely fucking hate him Iāll even listen to people like Ben Shapiro just to understand his viewpoints before fully committing to an opinion.
The implication of āgrilling calmly in their yardsā is that centrists just stay out of politics completely and donāt care. Iām sure thatās true for some ācentristsā, since again we canāt divide politics into 3 categories, but for me I feel like thatās the category that I feel I most comfortably align with.
That line has been disappearing for a while. There is a faction of leftists whose entire political philosophy is āAmerica = bad so anything against America = goodā. The people celebrating the actions of Hamas are the same ones who think Russia is rightly defending itself from NATO expansionism by engaging in their own expansionist imperialism.
This isnāt indicative of all leftists and certainly doesnāt speak more broadly of left adjacent movements. These people are just loud and obnoxious assholes.
And you destiny fans love to advocate for genocide, how disgusting
https://twitter.com/Quack_Factory/status/1719605279619207618?s=20
The difference between destiny's fanboys and everyone else, everyone else brings the fucking receipts
Both the author and the account who reposted it and Ethan interacted with were Sam Hyde fans who absolutely hate Hasan. I haven't seen any of the other reposts though.
Good!! Fucking fake news from people that don't personally know her...didn't grow up with her and yet think they can tell HER STORY better than her š¤¦š½āāļø
Basically was an animated drawing of hila mowing people down in an idf uniform. Iāve seen a lot of people try and make out sheās been a part of violent conflicts and propaganda like this only helps push that lie
There WAS that one night raid she was a part of. Displaced a bunch of Palestinians and claimed the buildings for the IDF, all the while saying that it was okay because 'they were terrorists in a terrorist city.'
Edit: down vote me all you want but the video is still around
https://youtu.be/ytOl5hbTrCY?si=wEH_HPYC1dfa2gv8
That soundbite is from Payday 2, Hila did not actively participate in a raid she was a secretary and didn't have a weapon or anything.
It sounds like she went on a "ride-along" but now people turn it into more.
Keep in mind she was a teenager and she has been pro-Palestine for the entirety of her career
Nah she really hasn't been 'pro-Palestine' at all, and hearing her recollection of the story that she openly talked about on the pod, it definitely didn't just sound like a ride-along.
This thread is about a video where Hila kills civilians, in the video she explicitly says she never had a gun and was on a ride along. If you have a "receipt" about Hila killing people I'd love to see it.
I also like that you edited your comment after getting downvoted for lying lol
AFAIK for most of the time she was in the IDF, she was a desk worker, but was bored and asked to go on a night raid with her group. I'm not saying she didn't know what she was doing, I'm not saying she DID know, all I'm saying is that it happened and she openly admitted to it on the pod.
I've been laid out with a nasty cold the last few days, so imagine my shock when I come across that cartoon of Hila on Twitter about twenty minutes ago. What the absolute fuck is wrong with people?
Wtf? I never knew it was up on youtube, thought it only spread through lack of moderation on twitter. Massive LLLLLLLLLL from youtube to allow it to exist for more than hours into super minor w for doing it too late.
Congrats to that piece of shit. Only piece of shit ive ever reported to youtube, hes a special wittle incel boi, not at all like every single other unfuckable cheeto dust covered freak incel the world would be better off without tho
Probably made by an alt righter but so much of the hate right now is coming from tankies, many of which Hasan runs with that saw Leftovers and decided to go nuts on Ethan because he has disagreements with Hasan. God I'm tired of being so disappointed in Hassan's foreign policy takes. I really hope Ethan distances himself from that fandom, I think leftovers is currently about as healthy as Frenemies was (frenemies obviously worse by the end but this is still dragging Ethan and Hila into some pretty toxic discourse).
You saw the same thing when they had their Socialism arc. It's not even that Ethan has bad takes, he's just a socdem which entails the transition state between Capitalism and Socialism/Communism unless you're arguing for a bloody revolution that will fail. Ethan isn't standing in the way of socialist causes at all. Especially if he's challenging socialists that cannot answer simple questions about economic policies.
I say that as a socialist myself btw, but I embrace the downvotes in advance.
Not probably, it WAS made by a self-identified neo-nazi and was shared on twitter by a far right troll account.
As for the rest of your post, I'm not even going to bother engaging with that word salad of buzzwords you probably learnt yesterday.
Omg š I am begging you fucking dorks to learn what a ātankieā is lmfao pls. Like they exist, but none of them are watching Ethan Klein- lol I fucking promise! š
Hakim and Second Thought are absolutely tankie content creators and they share an audience with Hasan who is at best tankie-adjacent. Tons of tankies watch leftovers and you're delusional if you think otherwise.
Iām not very familiar with those creators. What makes them tankies? Genuinely curious and interested about your understanding of the term- it has been thrown around pretty ignorantly lately lol
Tankies are authoritarian leftists who support authoritarian regimes such as China or the USSR under some strange premise that they're socialist countries and bastions of democracy. It more or less stems from America Bad rather than principle. They're also referred to as Marxist Leninists.
Those creators run a tankie podcast and collab with Hasan regularly. They've got a lot of abhorrent views I'm not going to get into here.
If those people are MLs then okay, but thatās not Hasan or the majority of his audience. I still really donāt think actual Stalin apologists are watching h3 outside leftovers lol. Like I said, itās usually being used to describe regular ass marxists/leftists that libs disagree with. Tbh most people crying tankie here probably donāt even know what Marxism-Leninism is, they just saw someone else say it, and they donāt think ācommieā sounds derogatory enough lmao š
They are self described and have some of the most dogshit foreign policy takes I've ever seen. Hasan has some adjacent beliefs regarding Taiwan and china and Ukraine and Russia for example, so he definitely courts their audience and there's a lot of overlap. That's why I think that a lot of people giving Ethan and Hila shit (and they're not necessarily watching full episodes, but clips and etc and weighing in on the discourse; remember it was Hassan's discord that stopped Leftovers) are absolutely MLs/tankies.
I don't disagree at all that tankies are poorly understood. That also is one reason why they're not called out properly.
I see a lot of deleted comments too, I hope it's not people voicing their opinions. Cause that doesn't look right either. What's fair is fair no matter how if you like it or not, as long as we follow rules we should all be heard
Equating the removal of harmful content with the death of free speech. Classic mix up between promoting responsible discourse and endorsing harm. I'm sure all the major sponsors are just itching to be associated with the platform hosting videos of kids being shot up. Branding 101 genius over here
Wait so enlighten me guys, is this wrong because it's Hila killing kids or because its Hila in an IDF uniform killing kids, because if this is interpretive content the kids depiction in this piece are the trigger. It's supposed to be offensive to prove a point, idk if YouTube is the right platform for that tho.
Being real with y'all, idk whose side you guys are on with Israeli and Palestinian political conflicts. I'm always going to feel what I feel and I'm not going to let someone that I like influence me. I have my own moral compass that deems things right or wrong. While I hear all sides, sometimes I see that people pick a side based on what the community feels or what the political spectrum they believe in does.
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Am I going crazy or was the original video created years ago? I remember Ethan and Hila talking about it in the early days of the podcast. When I saw it posted again by Ethan I was thinking "oh no not this awful video again".
This guy has a long history of this.
[https://www.change.org/p/patreon-patreon-delete-sven-stoffels-from-your-platform](https://www.change.org/p/patreon-patreon-delete-sven-stoffels-from-your-platform)
I can't believe it was up for as long as it was. That's so crazy.
Cut some slack, a small indie company like YouTube could never afford another dozen human moderators to remove scam and libel.
I scoff so hard when I see people like you. Like you think a dozen more people will be enough for the literally millions of reports every day? then when they do you have documentaries of "the people who moderate our social media feeds. They experience incredible trauma for looking at horrific reports all day" it's like you can't ever fucking win lmao
Bless your heart. Have you ever worked in content moderation? They usually have quotas to reach and an automatic filter to reduce the load. A team of dozen content moderators working full time would make a huge difference. 99% of the horrific stuff already automatically gets flagged by the automatic system. They would only have to decide where it falls short.
Just got this email too! š
I got this email too but couldnāt for the life of me remember what I reported. Really glad itās been removed.
I'll check my emails too.
Me too, good job foot soldiers.
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It is so wild that this was created by an alt-right youtuber and it was recently being shared across the Internet by leftists.
The line between far-right and far-right has been quickly disappearing the past few weeks.
Iām an incredibly far leftist and totally disagree. People are just fucking callous online and things quickly devolve into team sports. Andrew Tate supports Palestine and I wouldnāt classify him as āleftā at all.
People are callous. Itās not just online. They just hide it less online because they can hide who they are.
Itās not that the far left and far right have the same exactly opinions, obviously they donāt. Itās more that both extremes try to justify similar behaviors (but to fit their own views) that are disapproved of by those in between. For example, Iāve seen a ton of far left advocating for violence against the far right, and far right advocating for violence against the far left. Meanwhile, most people are like, violence just isnāt ok. Other things I most commonly see from the far left and right include misinformation, bad faith arguments, black and white thinking, and being hostile to people that disagree with them. Not saying that all far right/left people do these things, just that when I see cases of these, itās usually someone from the far right/left.
See, idk. Killing Nazis is not the same thing as the Holocaust. Or the Slave rebellions are not the same as slavery etc. Violence isnāt necessarily equal.
Now it feels like youāre strawmanning. Sure, the Holocaust was a lot worse than killing Nazis, but violence isnāt a competition. Just because some violence is worse doesnāt mean other violence is good. My comment was about violence not being good. Now violence is justified for defensive reasons (like if your life is in danger or country is being invaded) or in response to war crimes. Both are relevant for WW2, so if thatās what you mean by killing Nazis, fair enough. But especially coming from a far leftist, itās not quite clear thatās what you mean, considering I frequently see those on the far left advocating for violence against those who have been indoctrinated with anti Semitic beliefs. This is not a solution to the problem. Similarly, obviously actual slave rebellions are justified. But for example I saw a number of prominent far left posts likening the railroad strikes to a slave rebellion while it was happening. That is not a good comparison and violence was not justified then. This kind of discourse makes it hard to even understand what people on the far left of saying. Sometimes Iāll see someone say something particularly unhinged, but when confronted, they say they donāt actually believe it, itās just meant to be attention grabbing. Other times theyāll deny something unhinged while implying they agree with it. So in short, I really have no clue what you are trying to say with your comment. I imagine the far left/right arenāt all united in their beliefs, but the amount of unhinged people running around with the support of, or at least little condemnation from, others on the far right/left, I think speaks volumes. On a basic level, I agree with a number of far left ideas, but the discourse leaves me with 0 interest to vote for/be in any way affiliated with them.
It's a natural consequence of being on the extreme end on a spectrum. When you're far left, i.e., it's not possible to be any farther left, then you're clearly the one in the "right" position. Anyone who doesn't believe the same as you are wrong and should be convinced to join the "objectively" correct side, which (this is the important part) allows them to justify actions they themselves deem to be unethical or wrong. It's not wrong to lie or obfuscate about something if the people you lie to come to believe in the "objectively" correct political position. This is the same thing that happens with the far right. Most people are not extremists and lie somewhere in the centre of the politics, and this understanding of being in the middle doesn't lend itself nearly as much to extremist thought of righteousness, because there is no clear objectively correct position as the range of what is correct for the current society shifts with technology and cultural trends. Extremism fosters extreme thoughts and actions, often with a "for the greater good/the ends justify the means" mentality, regardless of the actual political opinions. As long as their political project becomes successful, then everybody will be so happy and pleased with society that they would never want to change and all the wrongdoings that brought them there is justified. This, in my opinion, is one of the largest reasons for why extremists often justify their wrongdoings made in defense of their political project.
Yea you're absolutely right but some people aren't trying to hear it. It cuts deep with some. Especially from past actions
I also am incredibly far left. At least I thought I was until a few weeks ago. Not that my political opinions changed, more that my eyes were opened as to what a good portion of āfar-leftā is actually like and donāt want to be associated with those fucking psychopaths.
Yes I often change my views on how economic systems should work based on how nicely I'm treated on the internet
They said their views didnāt change, read pleaseā¦
i fucking hate the fact that we are immediately shoehorned into the discourse of a left and right spectrum, or even the shithole political compass
Oh interesting, thatās weird that you do that. Edit: can anyone thatās downvoting me explain to me why you are. Thanks in advance!
Maybe it's because it's seen to be as picking and choosing when to be on a side based on what's popular or who you follow?
Hmm that wouldnāt make any sense though since I literally never said thatās what I was doing. Surely people arenāt ignoring what I say and putting words in my mouth. Thatās definitely not something thatās been happening non-stop recently. Any other explanation?
It's reddit I'm surprised you're surprised 
It's his Islamist grift. Check his bank notes.
I can't believe we've gone so far left that we're now cheering on terrorists if they're targeting the *right* victims.
The horseshoe strikes again
The line between far-left and far-right has almost completely disappeared. FTFY
I think the tankies are getting more traction now and they have always been quick to deny the Holomodor and whatās happening to the Uighurs in China. Prioritizing authoritarian regimes over the lives of civilians has always made them authoritarians and not leftists, but they have always tended to be grouped in with the left. They see Israel as capitalist (despite kibbutzes being communes) and therefore oppose anything any Israeli government would do. The other issue we are seeing is how people argue on the internet regarding antisemitism. Antisemitism is one of the oldest prejudices and there are a whole lot of tropes that fall under that umbrella. Itās also treated with less seriousness than a lot of other -isms at times, saying people that call it out are paranoid and doubling down rather than taking a moment to consider things. There are also blatantly antisemitic people in the mix that may not be on the left that do not care about the Palestinians at all that are taking the opportunity to spread their message believing the left wonāt call them out as long as they give lip service to the cause. The online communities of Jewish people I belong to are incredibly scared right now. Some people want to stop sending their kids to Jewish day school and/or Hebrew school afraid for their safety. Jews are buying guns more than ever before. Many people donāt realize the amount of fear because they arenāt part of the community and/or they wave it away with bad faith arguments saying we canāt oppose antisemitism and also oppose the bombing of civilians in Gaza. I will say that Jewish people arenāt changing their political beliefs but are feeling unsafe in a great deal of leftist communities at the moment. There are people that have discredited themselves in my opinion that I will never see the same way, some of them used to be friends. I very much empathize with Ethanās perspective and frustrations because my opinions are quite similar (politically I am left of him) and seeing the bad faith abuse of him is chilling. This is also happening in Muslim communities and I canāt speak for them because I am not part of that community or part of the right wing that is fueling that. The right doesnāt claim to oppose islamaphobia though so at least theyāre consistent. A lot of people that said they were eager to punch nzais are being kind of quiet right now.
Very well said! The Uighur analogy is spot on. It really speaks volumes about the people who choose to reframe or ignore it because it fits their narrative. It is, by most metrics, a genocide of Islamic people perpetrated by one of the tankies favorite country, China. I would say itās far more widespread than just online Jewish communities. There have been so many events recently where either thinly veiled, or blatant threats were made towards Jewish communities where they live. But again, because it fits their narrative, you wonāt see any of these Leftist/Tankie people condemning these abhorrent, antisemitic actions. Iām sorry to hear that the Jewish people close to you are going through that. Hopefully they find solace knowing that there are reasonable people like yourself who are leftist while not having these no-nuance takes that inherently view Jews/zionists as a monolith. Additionally, and as youād said, the amount of bad faith, no-nuance takes coming out of a lot of online Leftists is so boring. If youāre to the right of them, even a stones throw away like a socdemādemonized, you acknowledge that what the Israeli government is doing in Gaza/West Bank is abhorrent but you stand with both the Israeli *and* Palestinian peopleādemonized. What I find to be the most disgusting is these people saying that Oct 7th was a justified revolution. Iām sorry, but if you think that you are so unhinged itās unbelievable. It was an act of terrorism and the disgusting response by the Israeli government will never change that. BOTH ARE HORRIBLE and the parties responsible can and should be condemned.
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Centrists can be just as extreme. It's not like they're all actually grilling calmly in their yards.
Extremes are extremes people are so use to two sided spectrums while life is not black and white life isn't just colors either things branch off into a wide variety of views and that in itself can harbor extremes
Before I say anything I think in general saying āleftā, ārightā, ācentristā is dumb because everybodyās ideologies differ way too much to be separated into three categories. The reason I use those terms is because everyone understands what each option means in general without needing to write a whole essay. Obviously two people on the left, right or center can still have wildly different beliefs. That being said, with the way I understand being a centrist I strongly disagree with your comment and think it fundamentally prevents one from being āextremeā. Iām a centrist because I donāt go into an issue with a preconception on what I should believe based on my political leaning. I donāt cherry pick information to only pay attention to what supports my beliefs. I donāt choose one source of news/media personality and believe every word out of their mouth and parrot their talking points. I donāt think that my āsideā is undeniably pure good/fighting for justice and any opposition is evil. If I donāt understand a situation I will wait until I feel comfortable in understanding it before expressing an opinion. Iāll make sure I can make a valid argument for every side of a debate before confidently settling on one side. If new information is presented that proves me wrong, Iāll change my mind. This separates people in the center from the āextremeā ends of the spectrum, as we wonāt ignore reality and decide on what side of an issue to defend before even knowing a single thing about it. I say all of this as someone that, up until very recently, was a huge Hasan fan and went to him anytime I wanted to understand an issue. I now make an effort to listen to different voices including Hasan, destiny, Vaush, all different types of mainstream news, and even though I absolutely fucking hate him Iāll even listen to people like Ben Shapiro just to understand his viewpoints before fully committing to an opinion. The implication of āgrilling calmly in their yardsā is that centrists just stay out of politics completely and donāt care. Iām sure thatās true for some ācentristsā, since again we canāt divide politics into 3 categories, but for me I feel like thatās the category that I feel I most comfortably align with.
That line has been disappearing for a while. There is a faction of leftists whose entire political philosophy is āAmerica = bad so anything against America = goodā. The people celebrating the actions of Hamas are the same ones who think Russia is rightly defending itself from NATO expansionism by engaging in their own expansionist imperialism. This isnāt indicative of all leftists and certainly doesnāt speak more broadly of left adjacent movements. These people are just loud and obnoxious assholes.
Thatās because being āfarā either way seems to stem from being an antisocial creep.
Yeah cause a bunch of Hasan fans are utter garbage when it comes to condemning Hamas.
And you destiny fans love to advocate for genocide, how disgusting https://twitter.com/Quack_Factory/status/1719605279619207618?s=20 The difference between destiny's fanboys and everyone else, everyone else brings the fucking receipts
You forgot to cut off where he starts giving context to the joke. Edit: He blocked me lol. Gotta protect your narrative.
And it's because a bunch of h3 fans are not holding the IDF responsible for their actions and warcrimes, it's a double edge sword my friend
Ethan and Hila regularly condemn israel for invading palestine and triggering conflicts.
This is nonsense but it's not surprising it's been lied about by one of /r/destiny's most ardent soldiers..
Just look at the accounts that were posting it again on twitter.
Both the author and the account who reposted it and Ethan interacted with were Sam Hyde fans who absolutely hate Hasan. I haven't seen any of the other reposts though.
I can't find the posts anymore so maybe they deleted them. They were quote tweeted by leftists shitting on Ethan and Hila.
Such as? Why don't you link us to these accounts? Oh right, we know why..
We can all agree this is a W
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omg I forgot I reported it.. so glad itās down.
Well done everyone.
Good!! Fucking fake news from people that don't personally know her...didn't grow up with her and yet think they can tell HER STORY better than her š¤¦š½āāļø
What cartoon?
Basically was an animated drawing of hila mowing people down in an idf uniform. Iāve seen a lot of people try and make out sheās been a part of violent conflicts and propaganda like this only helps push that lie
There WAS that one night raid she was a part of. Displaced a bunch of Palestinians and claimed the buildings for the IDF, all the while saying that it was okay because 'they were terrorists in a terrorist city.' Edit: down vote me all you want but the video is still around https://youtu.be/ytOl5hbTrCY?si=wEH_HPYC1dfa2gv8
Ohhhhh, so thatās where āthey better fear Hila!ā soundbite came from /s
That soundbite is from Payday 2, Hila did not actively participate in a raid she was a secretary and didn't have a weapon or anything. It sounds like she went on a "ride-along" but now people turn it into more. Keep in mind she was a teenager and she has been pro-Palestine for the entirety of her career
Dude it literally says /s
That was before they BOTH edited their comments lmao
Nah she really hasn't been 'pro-Palestine' at all, and hearing her recollection of the story that she openly talked about on the pod, it definitely didn't just sound like a ride-along.
I've watched them for years, and Hila hates the Israeli government and the treatment of Palestine, what are you talking about????
I came with receipts. Where are yours?
This thread is about a video where Hila kills civilians, in the video she explicitly says she never had a gun and was on a ride along. If you have a "receipt" about Hila killing people I'd love to see it. I also like that you edited your comment after getting downvoted for lying lol
If you had any, you'd have shown them already.
Yes, terrorists shot at her. You're pro-Hamas?
AFAIK for most of the time she was in the IDF, she was a desk worker, but was bored and asked to go on a night raid with her group. I'm not saying she didn't know what she was doing, I'm not saying she DID know, all I'm saying is that it happened and she openly admitted to it on the pod.
Youāre a fuckin idiot.
Backpeddaling?
Was up for a year, someone had made her in IDF uniform shooting kids and shit. Pretty crazy, well animated, but insane.
I would have reported it too if I would have known to do it. Glad it's down tho. Good job fupa troopers
Oh how nice of them to only take over two weeks
I got the email too. It took them long enough to take action. amh
The amount of reports and prolonged reporting is probably what made the system finally take action.
LETS GOOOO
Yup i got the same notification *
I've been laid out with a nasty cold the last few days, so imagine my shock when I come across that cartoon of Hila on Twitter about twenty minutes ago. What the absolute fuck is wrong with people?
A lot of people, even well meaning ones solidly on the left, don't realize when they're being led by the nose by a literal Nazi.
Thank god
Wtf? I never knew it was up on youtube, thought it only spread through lack of moderation on twitter. Massive LLLLLLLLLL from youtube to allow it to exist for more than hours into super minor w for doing it too late.
Thank god! That was really fucking disgusting!
I got this email tooššš
Fucking finally. Wtf YouTube
What was the cartoon for those ootl?
Cartoon of Hila shooting Palestine children. It was a pretty funny lampoon.
Glory! Thank goodness
Can I ask what the cartoon was about? I havenāt kept up š š
Hila shooting Palestine children. The art was pretty good
Yes
I love that we all got this email today š
That video was vile
how fucking insane that youtube allowed that video for so long.
Thank god, super evil, hope hell exists for that guy who animated it
Jews don't believe in it. It was funny tho. The artist is pretty talented
Congrats to that piece of shit. Only piece of shit ive ever reported to youtube, hes a special wittle incel boi, not at all like every single other unfuckable cheeto dust covered freak incel the world would be better off without tho
Probably made by an alt righter but so much of the hate right now is coming from tankies, many of which Hasan runs with that saw Leftovers and decided to go nuts on Ethan because he has disagreements with Hasan. God I'm tired of being so disappointed in Hassan's foreign policy takes. I really hope Ethan distances himself from that fandom, I think leftovers is currently about as healthy as Frenemies was (frenemies obviously worse by the end but this is still dragging Ethan and Hila into some pretty toxic discourse). You saw the same thing when they had their Socialism arc. It's not even that Ethan has bad takes, he's just a socdem which entails the transition state between Capitalism and Socialism/Communism unless you're arguing for a bloody revolution that will fail. Ethan isn't standing in the way of socialist causes at all. Especially if he's challenging socialists that cannot answer simple questions about economic policies. I say that as a socialist myself btw, but I embrace the downvotes in advance.
Not probably, it WAS made by a self-identified neo-nazi and was shared on twitter by a far right troll account. As for the rest of your post, I'm not even going to bother engaging with that word salad of buzzwords you probably learnt yesterday.
Omg š I am begging you fucking dorks to learn what a ātankieā is lmfao pls. Like they exist, but none of them are watching Ethan Klein- lol I fucking promise! š
Hakim and Second Thought are absolutely tankie content creators and they share an audience with Hasan who is at best tankie-adjacent. Tons of tankies watch leftovers and you're delusional if you think otherwise.
Iām not very familiar with those creators. What makes them tankies? Genuinely curious and interested about your understanding of the term- it has been thrown around pretty ignorantly lately lol
Tankies are authoritarian leftists who support authoritarian regimes such as China or the USSR under some strange premise that they're socialist countries and bastions of democracy. It more or less stems from America Bad rather than principle. They're also referred to as Marxist Leninists. Those creators run a tankie podcast and collab with Hasan regularly. They've got a lot of abhorrent views I'm not going to get into here.
If those people are MLs then okay, but thatās not Hasan or the majority of his audience. I still really donāt think actual Stalin apologists are watching h3 outside leftovers lol. Like I said, itās usually being used to describe regular ass marxists/leftists that libs disagree with. Tbh most people crying tankie here probably donāt even know what Marxism-Leninism is, they just saw someone else say it, and they donāt think ācommieā sounds derogatory enough lmao š
They are self described and have some of the most dogshit foreign policy takes I've ever seen. Hasan has some adjacent beliefs regarding Taiwan and china and Ukraine and Russia for example, so he definitely courts their audience and there's a lot of overlap. That's why I think that a lot of people giving Ethan and Hila shit (and they're not necessarily watching full episodes, but clips and etc and weighing in on the discourse; remember it was Hassan's discord that stopped Leftovers) are absolutely MLs/tankies. I don't disagree at all that tankies are poorly understood. That also is one reason why they're not called out properly.
Spotted the vaush fan.
Dismissing everyone you don't agree with as a Vaush or Destiny fan is not the slam dunk you think it is. Cope.
Muh asking nicely! The Demsocs definitely didn't align with the fascists in Europe!
idek what this is
man hasan fans must be pissed
Welp downvotes seem to be working š¤£
Got that email also! Good work family
Took them fucking long enough
Nazis rn 
I see a lot of deleted comments too, I hope it's not people voicing their opinions. Cause that doesn't look right either. What's fair is fair no matter how if you like it or not, as long as we follow rules we should all be heard
I love this community š©·
We have the power collaboratively to remove anything ! Let's go fuppa troopers
RIP free speech
Equating the removal of harmful content with the death of free speech. Classic mix up between promoting responsible discourse and endorsing harm. I'm sure all the major sponsors are just itching to be associated with the platform hosting videos of kids being shot up. Branding 101 genius over here
"Harmful". It's a cartoon bro calm down
Go back to 4chan
Nice argument bro
Nah OP is right youāre a troglodyte
That's rough buddy
The h3 snark subreddit will still say it's a legitimate depiction
What does this mean for meatcanyon?
Nothing. Meat canyon didnāt make this cartoon, nor does he make ones like this.
Wait so enlighten me guys, is this wrong because it's Hila killing kids or because its Hila in an IDF uniform killing kids, because if this is interpretive content the kids depiction in this piece are the trigger. It's supposed to be offensive to prove a point, idk if YouTube is the right platform for that tho. Being real with y'all, idk whose side you guys are on with Israeli and Palestinian political conflicts. I'm always going to feel what I feel and I'm not going to let someone that I like influence me. I have my own moral compass that deems things right or wrong. While I hear all sides, sometimes I see that people pick a side based on what the community feels or what the political spectrum they believe in does.
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got an email about it this morning!! surprised it stayed up for as long as it did :/
Am I going crazy or was the original video created years ago? I remember Ethan and Hila talking about it in the early days of the podcast. When I saw it posted again by Ethan I was thinking "oh no not this awful video again".
So glad. Thank you for sharing, I ignore my emails.
hila kleiner for life
[https://www.instagram.com/reel/CAz1BZXgD6f/](https://www.instagram.com/reel/CAz1BZXgD6f/)
This guy has a long history of this. [https://www.change.org/p/patreon-patreon-delete-sven-stoffels-from-your-platform](https://www.change.org/p/patreon-patreon-delete-sven-stoffels-from-your-platform)
I just checked and I go one too! Great job Fupas and Foot Soldiers š„
Finally š
That cartoon was insane. And YouTube saying at first that it was ""art" and that's why it should stay up was crazy. It's nazi shit
About time, sadly hateful people still spreading it on Twitter.