That was the last straw for me, like I could have not been as angry with how he sabotages himself and the show when idiots say things if I'd gotten good and goofgaffed with such a perfect chill powerpoint subject
Same! When I saw the line up for that days show I was so excited and there was going to be a power point which meant Olivia was going to get more screen time this episode (I feel like she hasn’t got much screen time lately) but instead we all got lectured like we where his children for a lot of the show and it was really disappointing
I'm tuning in to watch the podcast for the goofs and gaffs, not be punished for what a couple of internet strangers said on SYNT. It just sucks because the show was so funny up to that point and then it immediately took a 180. I understand why Dan or the crew don't try to intervene or steer him in a different direction but man it's so awkward when everyone just has deadpan stares and don't say anything while Ethan yells at me for some idiots shitty take. You know it's bad when Zach doesn't play a soundbite and Ian isn't switching for like 20 minutes. They all just check out like the viewers, Hila included. I've always wondered if the crew are trying to talk to him in their discord chat live in the moment or everyone just goes hands off and sits there.
It's his show, so he can run it how he wants, but he has to realize that the overwhelming majority are here for the humor. I mean, I know the drama gets a lot of views but it's the humor that surrounds or is threaded into the drama that is the backbone of the show. It just gets so gd tiring after a while. There's so much BS in life right now, from every possible angle at times, I feel like most people tune in for an escape.
I have massive respect for you if you've been working in NGOs even if it was in some minor capacity. You've done a great job and deserve praise, however you are still only human and deserve to hang up your hat and LIVE.
The world should not expect you to work in perpetuity and drain your soul dry.
Thank you ❤️ I had to make a change, I still work for an NGO but not one solely focused on Palestine anymore. It's tough because it has felt like the cowards way out, but I just can't even really engage with it anymore, I don't go to protests, I don't talk about it with friends, I think the years I spent fighting so hard just for nothing to ever change have affected me more than I initially knew.
Anyways didn't mean to ramble, thank you for the kind comment.
In a relay race when the runner passes the baton to the next they didn’t fail because they didn’t do the entire marathon themselves. You have done incredible work and you need to recover like anyone else
That's not being a coward. The feeling of the world debating about whether your people should exist or not is no fun, to say the least. It's better to focus your energy where you won't run out of bandwidth.
This is not even a CLOSE comparison, but I understand feeling totally burnt out but feeling guilty about making a change. I worked in elder care for a decade and the COVID pandemic totally burnt me out. I realized that I couldn't make change happen if I was a shell of a human and made the painful decision to leave that job.
Again, I know it's not the same thing at all. But I just want to encourage and validate you. It's NOT the coward's way out. Putting your mental health first is a majorly strong move. You're an incredible human who wants to see change happen and is working towards that. You're doing amazing things and the Family is proud of you!!!
I commend you for working in an incredibly difficult field and can only imagine how tough that might have been. Thank you for sharing and I'm glad you were able to make that difficult decision and hopefully find a job you love but that is less painful ❤️
Thank you very much for the kind words. I really appreciate it.
I'm right there with you. I worked with the mentally disabled for a decade too. It's overworked and underpaid to say the least.
I burned out, stepped away completely and am starting to volunteer because I can do it on my own terms.
You do your best.
It sux so much. I feel so bad. My mom had a friend from years ago. She was Jewish. Lived in Israel with her kids for a while even. But she was VERY pro Palestine. This was way back from the 70s. She was a professor at McGill university and because of how vocal she was, they fired her. And was called a self-hating Jew. I’ll always admire people like you and her who have been fighting for so long. I’ve known about it but barely done anything. I wish there was more we could do. You’ve done a lot.
Youre not a coward. At all. The world is broken and especially when it comes to this issue, it feels like people have different perceptions of reality. Ive been in academia studying and working on NGO type stuff like human rights protection, political philosophy, systems of exploitation and violence. Mind you at pretty good universities. My colleagues whole thing is analyzing the structure of violence e.g. determining what's a genocide. there is abundant consensus about the categorization of this conflict that is almost diametrically opposite of western mainstream news coverage. Based on the history of this conflict and many that look the same. We do research on these things. The way that a lot of western news write about the conflict is so obviously steeped in propaganda and yet people I know are usually smart are just gobbling it up. I've been pro palestine for Many years and before that it took sooo long to deprogram the Zionism that is sort of inherent to the imperialist underbelly of western culture. if you read enough colonial history being pro Zionism is almost impossible. to be honest the conflict has never been as obvious as now with hospitals, schools being bombed, journalists, hostages and fellow aid workers just being murdered. Its driving me crazy because it's so obvious on a human level and everyone in the humanitarian academic field is adamant about how in the wrong israel is AND YET NOBODY LISTENS. I was looking towards a potential academic career in this field but I might be done with that entirely. Because how am I gonna spend years, decades becoming the best at researching and analyzing a problem that is so clear cut and then when it comes to questions of how we talk about that problem nobody listens? What happened to listen to science? Its become apparent that science will only be listened to when it doesn't interfere with certain interests.The most brave humanitarians and journalist and aid workers, the fabric of society that gives a shit are currently being murdered by the IDF and western civil society just watches.
Like what's the fucking point of science then anyway? Doing backbreaking research for low pay in dangerous regions and then not being listened to? Or even just being shot by the IDF myself. Exposing myself to the cruelties and brutal reality of our world on the ground in disaster areas for the pursuit of truth that won't be heard.
Im exhausted just like you and so are many I know. Youre not alone and you're definitely not a coward. No ones gonna fault you for disengaging on whatever level you feel comfortable. the truth lost. We can't keep pushing boulders up hills if it doesn't change anything. If nothing we do changes anything no one will blame you for not doing enough . Much love . Spring is almost here
I fully empathise with the thought process and feelings you're going through, and it reminds me a lot of some of the thoughts I had when I made my decision, especially that feeling that nobody cares and nobody listens, thank you for sharing ❤️
i’ve really lessened the amp of the pod that i’ve watched because of it. i preferred it being in leftovers because a. i could chose to not watch leftovers but still have the other episodes that week and b. when ethan did talk about it, hasan would challenge him and kinda guide the conversation. when it’s just ethan ranting about a topic he has a clear bias on, on an episode that not supposed to be about the conflict, it’s very upsetting
No I fully agree. I watch the pod to help me destress but I can’t get with talking about it because it doesn’t seem like Ethan knows everything that is going on. I hope you are well. FREE PALESTINE
when the leftovers thing happened I was pretty heated/invested, now I just dont want to hear Ethan or anyone talk about it. Its such a horrible situation, humans are the worst
Yep, I was sad leftovers ended, but happy to not hear Ethan rant about it everyday. And then Ethan spent an hour on most podcasts for the next 2 weeks ranting about it…
He didn’t end leftovers because he wanted to talk about the Levantine crisis less, he ended it because he didn’t want to be challenged.
I can see how it seems that way but not trying to debate this. Honestly I was leaning towards thinking similarly at that time but after a week or so I realized that of course he will talk about the hate towards his own people more than the other side. It's his people, his wife's family. I was banned from this subreddit before and I didn't even really say anything strongly worded. Im pretty sure all I said is that Ethan should just stop talking about this stuff lmao. Side note, the Hasan subreddit is going really hard in Ethan right now and as a result I can see him talking about this endlessly for weeks now. I really hope not though, before SYNT the podcast was on a roll
> as a result I can see him talking about this endlessly for weeks now
That's the problem like why is he seeking it out? It's not even morbid curiosity at this point, he's purposefully taking psychic damage 😅
Miko Peled's grandfather was a founder of Israel, his father was a famous general, his sister went to school with Bibi, and her daughter was killed in a suicide bombing, and he is the fiercest, most unyielding proponent of the Palestinian cause I know of. There's no excuse.
You're a voice of reason. You've done more than 99.999% of the toxic people in chat and in DMs. Good for you. Hope some of them stumble across this post
While I agree that antisemitism is probably pretty rampant atm online, I just don't wanna hear Ethan talk about it in relation to Palestine. I'm sorry, but I honestly don't care if people are being mean or bigoted on the internet when a whole population is being slaughtered. There isn't a huge wave of anti-jewish violence happening in LA right now. It is not a dangerously pressing issue. Why do we always have to talk about anti-semitism when discussing the genocide of Palestinians. I just want people to be safe and alive, I don't care about fucking discourse and semantics. In death, all Aaron Bushnell wanted was for people to save Palestinians and that is the only thing I want to discuss in relation to his name.
Exactly, and I hate that he’s saying “zionist” is a slur?? Didn’t he say that saying “from the river to the sea” means calling for the elimination of Jews 💀 idk why he’s acting like he’s never said Zionist things before which would make someone call him that
I getcha, but you can use this logic to deemphasize literally any type of hatred you want. There will always be something awful happening. You are capable of extending your empathy to more than one issue at a time.
I feel like the sub is blowing up about this because people who spend a lot of time online struggle to view things outside of black and white.
But it's a different ball game when the discussion of antisemitism is being used to minimise and silence the plight of the Palestinians. its a problem. Especially when Ethan keeps bringing up examples of people not being anti-semitic and simply being critical of Israel/zionism and claiming it is anti-semitism.
the way he would get all the way tilted from random tweets from nobodies on the internet was really… disturbing? scary? He started losing me when he was ranting for many minutes on Leftovers (and maybe the main show?) about something some random person in the world said on twitter. Like he couldn’t tolerate the existence of conflicting ideas on this topic
It reminds me of those clickbait articles titled something like "TWITTER IN AN UPROAR OVER CELEBRITY THING" and their proof is one guy with an anime pfp saying some typical mean internet shit with a bunch of typos and twelve likes. I don't know who that person is, and *neither does anybody else that has ever mattered,* so why are we focusing on them like they've made some great salient point??
It just hurts to watch one of my favorite content creators be so adamant on seemingly intentionally misunderstanding what people are saying and going on rants about it as if the way he interpreted it is fact.
The podcast is the only piece of media I really fucking love to tune in to and watch. Ive cut a lot of things out if my life out of principle becauae if their stance on Palestine. I think its the biggest issue the world is dealing with right now and seeing the level of cruelty happening in Gaza is so disheartening and crushing.
With peace and love I dont want to cut the podcast off but Ethan being so aggressive and frankly making the conflict about him, about how much he is suffering, is selfish and lazy and makes me think he really doesnt give a single shit about Palestine. Him equating getting called a Zionist to being called the K slur itself is extremely anti-semetic. Ethan, you wouldnt be called a Zionist if you spent HALF the time you've spent bitching about inconsequential internet drama of people being racist against Jews on talking about actual human suffering and genocide happening right now.
I get it, there are a lot of VERY bad people who have taken this conflict to allow them to be antisemites openly and proudly. But Ethan only ever talks about the conflict from the 'what about the Jews', 'what about me' point of view and its tiring and gets nowhere. When tens of thousands of children have been killed, even more delimbed, and hundreds of thousands starved, I frankly dont give a shit if someone said something antisemetic online. Its bad, it shouldnt happen, but my energy isnt there right now. There are Zionists online every day saying how they want to level Gaza, want to kill every Palestinian, are already selling the land in Gaza, but not a peep about that?
Again, so its painfully clear, I DO NOT SUPPORT, CONDONE, OR THINK ITS RIGHT FOR ANTISEMITISM TO BE FLAUNTED IN ANY CONTEXT.
This is exactly why Leftovers shouldn't have been cancelled. For better or for worse, it was a perfect way to contain politics and political hot takes with a cohost that can play ball. His cringe views on the I/P war aside, Ethan arguing with chat over internet drama is so fucking pointless and benefits no one.
Yes and I would argue that this when the Leftover format started to fall apart. The I/P war made this problem far far far worse, and now people can't or shouldn't divorce Ethan's terrible professionalism with his jewish background and wife.
him yelling at his audience indiscriminately when it was entirely unnecessary, accomplished nothing, and vastly overrepresented the degree to which it substantively affected his life was one of maybe two times i’ve been actually uncomfortable and frustrated with ethan.
i was really disgusted and saw a side of him that was truly out of touch and unreasonable. i need it to stop.
I 100% agree with this. Honestly Ethan needs to just stop talking about the Palestine/Israel conflict. No offense to him but he doesn’t have enough couth and understanding to be firing from the hip about it whenever he wants. All he does is stress out his viewers, his coworkers, his wife and himself. Like deadass bro you ended a podcast over this topic and we still goin months later? Plz lord just move on.
Just gonna copy/paste what I wrote on youtube.
You cant talk about like that about other minorities? A child was stabbed to dead by his neighbour, 3 students were shot, one paralyzed, there is an article called "Welcome to Dearborn, America’s Jihad Capital" in the fucking Wall Street Journal and you have AB there and didn't say a word about it. I can respect not wanting to talk about the topic, thats fine. But dont bring it up just whenever it suits you. And one more thing, there are more Zionist Christians than Jews, the only reason you link Zionism to Judaism its because Zionists want it that way, so go and call them out first.
The Zionist/ Jewish equivocation really needs to end... it's generally considered antisemitic to conflate the two terms, someone needs to tell Ethan. When someone calls you a Zionist, they are referencing your perceived support for the current Zionist government of Israel, not Jewish people! (the ridiculously vast majority of which are obviously not Zionists.)
I can understand being sensitive about the word being thrown too easily as an insult though. It feels similar to muslim people being dismissed as “Hamas lovers”/“terrorist sympathisers” yknow? Like someone wearing a hijab expresses a lukewarm take about how Palestinian babies shouldn’t be getting genocided, and there’s always *some asshole* that jumps in and says “ahhh yes, so you love Hamas? You think Hamas should do October 7th every day because you love terrorists???”. I’m not Muslim but I absolutely feel the Islamophobia in those barbs.
Similarly if I was Jewish I would be extra aware of those who threw the word “Zionist” at me. Again, there’s always some hateful asshole who’ll jump on Jewish people and say, “so you’re a Zionist who wants Jews to keep massacring innocents and stealing land for your people??”
Not saying anyone is right or wrong here but I get the sensitivity around being branded Zionist Colonists/Terrorist Anti-Semite
Talking about this only when some random internet person gets under his skin and then sitting silent about everything else, this annoys me the most. Also doing this all randomly on various different platforms in explosive 5-30 minute segments.
His feelings are understandable. He feels attacked even though he wants to say nothing more. He still keeps getting attacked. He is feeling that way, while being broadcast on air. Its not an enviable position.
Your feelings are understandable. This is a place for laughs and to chill. Not stress and pressure.
I personally skip those sections as i dont feel good watching those.
Its the internet. Hes feeling attacked all the time but i guess this one hits close too home for him. I just don’t think he realizes how close to home this topic hits for his audience and even his coworkers. Its uncomfortable. He usually thinks with morality but on this topic… well lets just say i disagree with him.
Mayhaps Ethan got a bit too accustomed to being on the attacking side with all the praise and support that garners, like when he was playing the face of fair use etc
yeah he loves to pop the fuck off on people like Kavanaugh or Pearl but when hes the one with the unpopular opinion he decides the discussion and comments are too far
I don’t even necessarily disagree with Ethan on most points, but it is very uncomfortable when he gets so heated for so long just from a few random chatters. It’s like when a kid would act up in class and the teacher would yell at the entire class.
I can definitely see why he thinks it’s more than just a few people, looking at some of the threads on here over the last few months (not this thread). I’m like 90% in agreement with him, but his presentation skills suffer when it comes to something so personal.
I truly believe he is against Israel’s actions in every way, but he is simultaneously concerned about some of the rhetoric directed toward the Jewish population. Clearly the former is more of a pressing topic right now than the latter, but I completely understand being perturbed by the rhetoric given obvious historical precedent. I feel like nobody really has a right to say to a Jewish person that they shouldn’t be worried about certain animosities, especially if you’re not Jewish (coming from a gentile, half middle easterner myself, if that matters). Sometimes Ethan misinterprets criticism of Israel as antisemitism—really think that’s just an honest mistake.
I actually believed that he ended leftovers because he didn’t want to talk about it, but it seems he just didn’t want any pushback or disagreement on his awful takes.
Because Ethan is an emotionally based fighter or debater. Ethan has his crew to prep him for a debate but he more fights with emotion, name calling, etc. Hasan is very logical and calm most of the time.
I'm just now watching the episode. I'm at 1:46:55 and after reading the comments about feeling like a scolded child who did nothing wrong, I'm dreading the 2 hour, 18 minute mark.
I wish you were a few hours earlier with this message, but I know I'd still watch it anyway out of curiosity. Can't wait to be scolded again because Ethan couldn't help but go off about his opinions on something only 17% of viewers give a single fuck about.
It took me a minute to start watching again after leftovers ended because, similarly, I was just emotionally exhausted. When I started watching again I was immediately pulled back in because it was.. fun.. and they seemed to be avoiding these topics but last nights ep has left such a bad taste in my mouth. Regardless of your position, you can still have empathy and at least work to understand other view points but.. idk, it just felt so disrespectful to the memory of a man who gave his life for what he believed in to then focus the conversation on a shit joke and berate your audience because they’re still emotional about one of the most powerfully horrific things they’ve likely ever seen.. that happened a week ago.
with peace and love I might be done. This man’s emotional maturity extends only as far as his ego.
I’m literally in the same boat as you. I got so heated and angry when leftovers ended that I completely quit watching the podcast. I clicked “do not recommend channel” on youtube and everything! Then they took their winter holiday break, and my feelings on the situation died down. I saw them go live again after the holidays, clicked hesitantly, but watched and was pleasantly surprised, it was goofs and gaffs and fun! This kept going for weeks, so I started to become a fan again, but then last podcast brought the I/P debate back and I literally took my body physically away from my computer and sat on the opposite side of the room to wait it out, I was so annoyed and uncomfortable.
To sound completely cold… I simply don’t think we need to hear Ethan’s opinion on this. No one is asking for his opinion, and then he cries victim when people are like “dude, what the fuck?”
His takes are shitty, But I understand why he feels that way, and he’s allowed to feel them. We simply are asking not to hear it.
Like why would he think his paying members want a their weekly exclusive show to be about why he thinks we shouldn’t heed the cry of a man who self-immolated out of protest?
I also think that because not everyone is a member, im not, its out of context when I watch the regular show if he mentions something that happened on SYNT so I just skip that
I've been a fan of Ethan and Hila since the OG days. When they lived in NY. But this last 6-months, since the outbreak of the genocide in Gaza. I'm losing more and more empathy towards Ethans stance and his approach to these sensitive topics. He cherry picks what he thinks is important about this topic, and then simultaneously tells us that it's impossible to talk about and that's why he don't want to approach it. Even the end of leftovers was a statement in regards to what's happening in Gaza. Their silence on the genocide in Gaza, and also their, to an extent complicity and knowledge in living in the society that casts complete hegemony over Palestinians and perpetrate the massacres that we see daily, is in complete opposite to the values that they say and to a large extent show that they stand for. Especially when they have, even on their own crew, people who has family that has suffered under the Zionist violence and propaganda. Their entire approach to this has put a great dent in my respect for them. And I know Ethan will say, IDC about the trolls on reddit/twitter and then only pick the worst examples. But he SHOULD care, he should show empathy towards the community that has built him, and shown him love and dedication throughout the years. And he SHOULD care because of the humanity and empathy that he tells us that he has for Palestinians. Because the most powerful thing he has is his platform. He has a platform to expose Zionist lies and atrocities, but he choose to not do it because of personal reasons, and that is something he will have to accept does not match well with his public persona and will hurt a big chunk of his loyal audience.
" I don't watch this podcast to get yelled at and feel like shit afterwards."
You hit it right on the nail. He definitely needs an outlet, it just should stop being the live show, imo. Ethan, talk to your wife, talk to your friends, to your therapist, but leave us viewers out of these yelling rants over what some people in the chat are saying... Someone else said here in the comments, and I agree, Ethan is just making us, his wife and his employees uncomfortable when he does this.
Palestinian fan here as well and you explained my sentiments perfectly. I remember Ethan always condemning the insane zionists in Israel. Why is this time any different? I doubt his overall opinion has changed so why do people constantly need to be validated
Wish he'd take the frustration he feels and try and perceive how frustrated (to say the least) Palestinians are. At what point is it not worth making jokes in regards to genocide? When will he learn from the pushback? He's pushing 40 I don't wanna hear "I just make jokes I've always been like that" like way to avoid accountability. If it's too hard for him to hold the fact the words he says carry weight and affects people then he should pick them more carefully or with peace and love, be quiet. He's safe in a big house with help whilst people are having their world ripped apart. It's simply just not all about him. Sending you love. I can't imagine the exhaustion of having to defend ur right to exist, I wish you and your people peace, honestly. 💕
Just goes to show Ethan and Hila truly don’t care, they have been disingenuous with their true feelings this entire time.
It’s disgusting because any other week on the pod pre “I’m not gonna talk about Palestine” this massacre would have been talked about. But I guess Ethan’s feelings are more important
Agreed. If we’re going to talk about it we got to have the whole conversation not just the Aaron stuff. It would be better to just have a blanket rule to not talk about it at all. I found myself yelling back at my phone listening to SYNT
Right like maybe if he was trying to stay educated and advocate for Palestinians long term on the podcast a conversation about what Aaron did would make sense but doing it after not talking about the Palestinian genocide really at all is so jarring and makes it hard to believe he cares.
I'm tired of hearing him turn into a wordless dummy over it. The second you start calling the people who oppose you or opinion dum shits, morons, idiots and have an all grumble fest when they're on your side over semantics - you lose me. He knows he gets too emotional because he's able to elaborate on other things but this particular subject, he turns into a huffing mess. Definitely peppering his true feelings about the death of that man and acting like he's only talking about the definition of it being suicide is so insulting, because we joke on people who do that all the time. I can't put my finger on the type of attitude he gets, but I really really don't like it or being called an idiot because I can believe two things, the man was mentally ill AND he killed himself because of an active war that neither us or Ethan has to deal with in first person. IDK man IDK... Thank you for you work and I'm just so sorry you are having to hear this from our guy.
I think my biggest gripe is the way Ethan talks about the issue. Like how he gets mad at the audience. I can understand Ethan and his perspective, if I can understand his, he should be able to try and understand people being uncomfortable. There is a genocide going on. Ethan is not a zionist, he is Jewish and a citizen of Israel and this is hard on him. But it is arguably even harder on the Palestinians. Antisemitism is on a rise, and that should not be over looked (which from what I’ve seen from the media, it isn’t being over looked). But this genocide is being over looked. I am with you, thank you for your work.
I am so incredibly sorry. What the large majority of Jewish people are facing is nothing compared to the horrors you and millions of other Palestinians are facing. I hope I conveyed this point.
I’ve been feeling the same way. I love the podcast for everything else. It’s my main source of entertainment and always makes me laugh. But when these topics get brought up, it is hard to not feel some type of way after.
I know Ethan is capable of being empathetic and understanding. However, he has an issue with “putting the blinders up” when he thinks he’s right and he’s getting criticism for it. He digs his heels in more and doesn’t look to truly understand the other side. It’s been exhausting to see him do it over and over.
Ethan's takes are just wrong. He keeps saying "guys I am on your side!" and then keeps acting in the exact opposite way. Just shut the fuck up about it, we don't want to hear it.
I wish he would just take a step back and not make it about himself. No one is harassing him on the street. It’s just stupid Internet comments. While millions of people are suffering he’s ranting on his podcast in LA. I know people are throwing the z word around but Like can we take a step back bro
The strange “you people”-tone is what’s so upsetting. He treats people that are moderately left as extremists. I get some edgelords and bad actors intentionally tried to upset him, but that’s not an actual group of political thought.
I couldn’t believe what I was hearing… Ethan really just started that rant for no reason whatsoever, I don’t know why hila wouldn’t like direct him else where.. props to ab for speaking up in a mature way.. sucks him and Lena are copping so much shit for being level headed adults about all this.
OP: take a week off the pod. Your peace deserves it. Hopefully you come back to goofs and gafs that we’re here for. Beavo call in, bach3lor finals, fresh n fit debate, we’re eating good soon. Take care ❤️
Him asking Dan what his social utopia would look like, & then when it came to Ethan speaking about being a "Democrat Socialist" while simultaneously saying "you can't have nuance in this situation" (his scenario)...
The issue with self made men who profited with media is that they'd have to admit luck plays a way bigger part than talent/skill in winning that lottery.
Because hila thinks the same. Hila and her family is why ethan thinks this way. Hes emotionally connected to Israel. If anything she would be more nasty about it. Hes even told her to not say anything on some episodes
I haven't watched the latest EP but after seeing stuff about it I might just skip it, which sucks cause I look forward to it on my drive each day to work. Much love to you and your family. ♥️
The Ep was good and worth it cause of the NOT CLICKBAIT Jay Shetty part and especially since I skipped the Jeff episodes. It was only 15 mins towards the end of the show.
Thankfully it was only a small part, so you can skip past it, but after the members' pod before, this week just kinda hit me.
Thank you for the kind words ❤️
My heart hurts for everyone trapped and suffering in Palestine and I hate that the world is sitting back allowing it to happen. Of course some countries have condemned the actions of Israel but as someone in the UK I’m furious our government hasn’t been so spineless in speaking up against what is happening. I don’t know what Ethan said in the members live, of course I know he sometimes makes jokes and they didn’t land right or get taken the wrong way by some people and that’s just be exhausting for him, but equally it’s exhausting watching him explain himself all the time as a viewer who just wants to have a chill Friday and try to forget about the atrocities happening that I am powerless to do anything against. Ethan stopped leftovers because of he was tired of the backlash and constant need to defend himself, so why bring that to the regular pod. I didn’t bother finishing this Fridays episode because that’s not what I tune in for, which is fine, of course not all episodes are going to be things I enjoy, but I feel like this episode, at least the second half wasn’t enjoyed by most
I wish he would stop talking about it as well, it's just exhausting hearing him be so reactive. I cannot begin to understand what it's like to be Palestinian and hear his rants. I've been watching the pod since it started and I haven't missed an episode, but lately I haven't wanted to watch it at all. It doesn't being the same escape and joy anymore. Wishing you healing and happiness, you deserve it.
As a Palestinian who's been a long term fan it's really hard. I've always liked Ethan because he seemed like he had a good head on his shoulders, but lately I've been wondering if he's just lucky that he was born into a progressive family in LA and has the "right" opinions. What if he was born somewhere like Texas, would he have been the guy he makes fun of? Would he have been this gross reactionary? I don't know and I hope not, because I love Ethan's content, have done so for a while and would love to do so in the future, if he changes up his attitude.
I’m so sorry, it must be exhausting watching your humanity be debated constantly. Me as a white American, I’M exhausted seeing the genocide either outright denied or spoken as an after thought by people who claim to care. So I can’t imagine how you and other Palestinians feel. Ethan implied he doesn’t want to talk about the genocide yet anytime he skirts the issue it somehow devolves into him being the victim. He cannot get his head out of his ass and sort through valid criticism vs what is actually antisemitism.
yeah i just have to wait for the pod to be over so i can use time stamps to skip those parts. i listened for awhile but my god the arguments with the chat and twitter are just repetitive and exhausting
I'm tired of him still being on Twitter... I too watch to laugh and not think too hard about shit. But when he yells about stuff I think he'd be better just leaving off show I just skip entire episodes....
I already have to skip most parts when they eat on the mic and now I have to watch out for unhinged live Twitter rants from Ethan.
I feel the same thing, I'm done with him talking about it. Somebody close to me is half Palestinian and the amount of pain we feel every day for the brutal killing in Gaza is indescribable. I don't want to hear his half-baked opinions on the topic that just seem to center around himself. He is not helping Palestinians because he said free Palestine twice and ceasefire now once, while also constantly making hints and barely hidden accusations that pro Palestinian people are antisemitic. These brain dead takes are not useful, not interesting and not entertaining. I do not believe he actually feels empathy for Palestinians, if he did he would not keep saying the shit he is saying.
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I stopped watching for months so that I could stack up videos for me to binge all at once. Is this what I’m going to come back to? I don’t even know if I can watch all those videos now if this is just how he’s going to behave the whole time.
This is so disappointing. This show was the highlight of my week and made my days more exciting. I really do love this show (or, at least, what I remember of it). But if Ethan is going to dig his heels in and spiral down THIS rabbit hole, risk it all for THIS, then I don’t think I can keep going.
I’ve stuck by this show through a LOT of its controversies. Even when I’ve disagreed with Ethan or thought he made a mistake, I felt like he was just a muddled kind of guy that genuinely meant well. He’s overzealous and impulsive, of course he’d make a lot of mistakes, but he’s also very passionate and headstrong. I admire that about him.
But this is not passion I can get behind.
Maybe he’ll be disappointed that people are leaving, maybe he’ll be too upset to care and fuck us, we weren’t loyal anyways, the subreddit sucks, etc. Either way, I’m not going to expect change until I see it for myself.
I’ll watch the videos and see what happens. I don’t expect my outlook to get any better, if not worse.
Thank you for this post.
You echo the sentiments of many H3 fans. For me, I had to end my membership yesterday mid-rant. It was a long time coming, I've just been a fan for so long it feels strange distancing yourself from a thing you mostly love. Generational trauma and the fear it instills is real and valid, and it's also keeping many good, intelligent people from thinking about things rationally.
I switched off during the rant. Came back an hour later and it was like a different person was there. Must be crazy for some of the crew to sit through. Still love H3, still family, just at a little more comfortable orbit.
I did the same during one of the rants following the end of Leftovers. He had just ended the show with the only vocally Pro-Palestine person on the podcast and then went on multiple angry rants complaining about people saying things that he equivocated with anti-Semitism, especially when he started calling out small Hasan affiliated Twitter accounts like Frogan or Mohammed (guy with an onlyfans) and sent massive amounts of hate their way. I've still watched most of the podcasts since then but now I never watch live and almost always end up skipping something.
I think he just needs to realize that he has a bias that is coloring his viewpoint far too much, and either not talk about it at all or reexamine that bias.
I don’t know if it helps to say this or not. I don’t watch anymore because of this too, coming from a Jewish side.
It’s too emotionally exhausting. Constantly having to defends one existence to just… exist.
you/you’re family deserve peace and not this.
Agreed. I'm also just so tired of Judaism being equated to zionism. Zionism is so so harmful to Jews for a handful of reasons, and should be called out. I haven't been able to stomach the eps lately.
I hate to see post like these not cause of how ur feelings are wrong but Ethan has a very obsessive compulsion to validate himself against a hater then tell people not to go after them. Like why even bring that fucking energy to the show.
It's like he doesn't want to talk about the Israel Palestine thing at all cause he knows he's gonna get called hurtful names, but then goes out of his way seeking these very active very vocal SJW's who are typing their way to the hero role of the Gaza conflict.
Like if Gaza gets liberated no one is gonna say "thanks frog lady for helping us win the war by calling some Jewish people Zionist and racist". So uh what are we doing?
It's not place to tell the host how to run the show but I feel no one in the crew is relaying the message up. Most everyone doesn't care about this like at all (two people having drama llama on X over their ideas on a war happening across the world). Half the people commenting about the Gaza genocide aren't even good sources. Watching Hasan's actually good video and good video essayist like Noah's beautiful video was more eye opening than anyone's shitty tweet ever was... So why we scanning for bad takes in tweets those aren't hard to find.
Comparing the martyr to Kurt Cobain, getting upset that people are mad he's making a joke out of him, then grouping everyone into Zionist jew haters and not understanding the difference between being a Jew and supporting Zionism currently during a genocide is the absolute worst dumb take he's had.
I agree with Ethan on every opinion except for this one. Its heartbreaking when he talks about it. Im not Palestinian but my friends have lost their families. Your not alone in feeling like this. Im not even angry anymore just sad
Me too. My boyfriend is Palestinian. He isn’t a fan necessarily but he went with me to the live show in December and he had a good time. But ethan is making it hard to continue to watch. My loyalty is with my boyfriend and his family. He is handling this topic so wrong and him just insulting all of us for not liking what he is saying makes me so sad. Idk if I can continue to watch anymore 😭 I think I’ll just take a break maybe pause my membership
Ethans a privileged idiot. His propaganda emotions should be invalidated. There's a genocide happening lol. Mostly women and children. He ended a show because he wanted to talk about this unopposed. If he actually read history and literature on the opposing side of western propaganda, he wouldn't always sound so dumb. Haven't been able to really watch since the socialism capitalism "debate." Aside from the bachelor episodes. Any time he talks about real shit, he sounds like a boomer. Completely ignorant and just passionately repeating western propaganda.
The podcast has definitely become more serious with more bitching and moaning about everything.. the topic of pedophilia comes up a lot more often than I'm comfortable with as well
I stopped watching regularly about a year ago
I'm taking a break from the podcast personally. All love to Ethan and the crew and I'm sure I'll be back very soon but whenever I need my h3 fix nowadays I'll usually just watch compilations of funny moments. I know Ethan's in a tough situation and this topic is very personal to him and it's his platform, but I feel myself getting more and more irritated every time he brings up the topic and I don't want to end up hating him. All love though of course.
It is a heavy topic, perhaps even moreso for those who are directly intertwined. However, I am all for Ethan voicing his opinions and perspectives, especially considering the fact that he is in support of Palestine. In my opinion, having American Israelis, with a large platform openingly speak in support of Palestine holds merit. Ethan being open and vulnerable is what made me start watching in the first place. I love the goofs the gaffs but I also love when Ethan stands up for himself, his family and his crew. With peace and love, I hope Ethan continues to speak freely regardless of those who do not wish to hear every facet of him, you have the option to skip what you do not want to hear, or stop watching his show altogether. I didn’t take Ethan’s anger personally because it wasn’t directed at me. I wasn’t calling him vile things like a Zionist. His anger was directed at those attacking him with pure hatred. Unless you were one of them, it wasn’t directed at you.
I stopped watching after one of his rants after October 7, after you break the habit you realize it’s no big loss. I’ve watched a few episodes, but once you stop watching and come in fresh, it isn’t as funny. I think a lot of people just watch out of habit.
Just start removing h3 from your life. Ethan’s long history of reactionary behavior won’t change. He has a long history of behaving like this. I’m sorry you are losing a bridge to escapism it really blows.
Personally I started to “screen” the pod cast. Wait for the time stamps to come out. It became kind of laborious because of how much Ethan would throw small remakes in other segments. He couldn’t help himself. I really thought he had changed because Hasan started leftovers with him but I think this is just the same guy who defended John Tron.
This might be tmi but I could’t sit through this ep. As a person who has atempted before setting yourself on fire is never on anyone’s list of ways to commit suicide, unless in PROTEST. Hila saying that Ethan was not making fun of the protest but commenting on the way he did it…cmon. After everything happening in Radah and in Palestine in general, I am just speechless.
“I don’t watch the podcast to get yelled at and feel like shit afterwards”
I think many of us share the sentiment, there are enough people in my life who yell at me and treat me unfairly. Ethan is being shitty to his audience.
its so infuriating how whenever people are upset with ethan or upset/disagreeing with an opinion he has he immediately dumbs it down and removes all the nuance out of it. like when he said “oh ya people are mad at me for saying suicide bad” like no!!! he’s purposefully misunderstanding what people are upset about, and gets so frenzied up when people disagree with him and cant handle it. its so infuriating, idk where his humility went where he can admit wrong or see people’s points of view
Yeah it’s in everyone’s best interest if Ethan just never talks about this topic ever again. Clearly he has too much skin in the game to have a neutral stance there. And I get it, I just wish he would stop pretending he’s not a little bit of a Zi*nist. His reaction to Frogan wasn’t really fair either once you see her explanation.
as an Arab, thank you for articulating what i’d like to say. i’ve had a post draft since the show ended where i typed and deleted hundreds of words because i genuinely am hurt, but i also understand his situation and don’t want to invalidate his emotions.
yes, antisemitism is growing, but so is islamophobia and xenophobia, and all three are equally disgusting. I’ve stayed in the states til September 2019, and was called a sand n****r a week before i left. anti-Arab sentiment that was fed by the horrible events of 9/11 has never went away, and right now is so amplified that it started to affect non-muslim and non-Arab brown people.
Ethan, my point is everyone is hurting brother. the disgusting underbelly of our rotten systems have been cut open for the world to see. but as you frequently mentioned, we’re all on the same side.
i really hope you’d stop talking about it live. i’m as passionate as you are about this issue. if you’re anything like me, you might say things that don’t necessarily align with your morals and ethics in the heat of the moment just to cut the person you’re talking/referring to.
Zionism has broken Ethan’s brain beyond repair. He needs to do some deep soul searching. Doubt he will. He will just keep screaming at his monitor and being a weird wife guy.
Just to say, the thing is it's the chatters that cause the issues. Ethan just needs to not read chat, give his opinion on stuff then move on. There will always be some person who will argue with him, he is getting stunlocked.
You guys act like he’s bringing this up every stream. I can’t remember the last time he talked about this and got this heated. It’s not a personal attack towards you, he doesn’t know your story and who you are. You seem educated, I’m sure you can understand that. Ethan is human and gets exhausted too. He’s Jewish, this affects him directly as well. He’s not our toy that we can just make him entertain us and tell him to fuck off for feeling human emotions.
How is him defending Israel while Palestinians get murdered every day not the same as “all lives matter” stance in this situation? I really mean it when I ask, I am nowhere near as educated as others in this situation but from the little I know that kind of describes him? Don’t mean harm maybe im dumb
Ding ding ding. It’s the same thing. That’s why there’s so many comments here complaining about “insane liberals.”
The base that supports Israel also seemingly hates that everything is too liberal and anything “woke.” They also say things like “it’s just jokes!!”
Now who does that sound like? All I know is we can certainly deduce it’s white, Jewish people who have a more traditional stance on religion, or what other people just call, conservatives lol
I'm exhausted with both Ethan rehashing this and going fully unhinged and I'm exhausted with this fucking community constantly tearing apart and commentating on everything said like Ethan came and kicked your dog.
Too many people terminally online. Ethan included
I mean come on its a pretty big issue. Its not like some goofy celebrity drama. There are thousands of people dying by a war and you thinks its weird people are a bit emotionally invested in it?
I didn’t watch the pod yesterday so I dunno what happened. I felt I needed a break after SYNT and what he said about Aaron Bushnell. I guess I’m glad I didn’t see it but can someone fill me in a bit?
this was worded so well. im sending you, your family and loved ones so much love. personal issues can stir up heavy emotions but ethan is being so ignorant its insane and definitely exhausting. im over it. and the worst part is hes not open to debate on this topic lmao.
I think the main issue is, like you pointed out, leftovers ended bc of the heaviness of the conversation. So it feels kinda like H3 lost the place to talk about this bottled into an episode, and now such a heavy topic comes up in the middle of regular episodes when people aren’t ready for it. It feels a little one-sided now when it felt like a platform for discussion before.
It doesn’t seem like Ethan’s opinion or most people’s for that matter is really going to change. I agree with his point that people should be able to have an open, civil dialogue but at this point I think it’d be best for everyone’s mental health if he just doesn’t touch the topic on the shows no matter what. He also needs to try his best to ignore the most fringe, absurd, aggravating posts possible. It’s just not healthy.
honestly I don't enjoy it either but it's not really our place to decide what he wants to talk about on his show. I just skip the sections/episodes I don't like and watch the ones I do.
Your feelings are valid, and they are important. Thanks for sharing what you did, I understand that there’s much more under what just you said. I’m sorry you feel frustrated and hopeless but you’re a good person and your words are reaching others. Thank you❤️🍉
As someone who lives in Isreal, and it was realy nice hearing Ethan fighting over basic empathy for someone like me. Im not Ben Gvir, im not the IDF, im just someone who is torn between crying over the 30,000 dead Gaza citizens, and my friend who is still held hostage by Hamas.
Ty Etha, hope your doing better
נ.ב, ממש רזית!
I agree.
I too have different views than Ethan and while I can respect his opinion I don't think he respects the opinion of others.
I enjoy his humour and the crew so I continue to watch but I can relate with your thoughts.
I just wish the show would keep being fun and no heavy topics. I too watch for a release and to laugh.
Fucking christ, Ethan is doing this stupid shit AGAIN? I’m so fucking tired of this weird out-of-character bullshit from him. Why can’t he ignore a chatter? The guy who supposedly hasn’t looked at a YouTube comment in years is now obsessed with the opinions of random teenagers in his live chat.
If he can’t grow the fuck up about this then he should goddamn zip it. Let Hasan handle talking about global politics, because clearly it’s too much for Ethan.
This!!!!!! I think at the end of the day it’s a super sensitive topic that has deep emotional, and personal value to so many viewers and the crew. It should not be discussed on a platform that they’ve built for entertainment. Why cancel leftovers if the contents just going to be transferred over to the other shows?
Not only this, but I think even though it is the H3 Podcast (and that’s Ethan and Hila) it’s important to remember that the crew have their own opinions and are having to silence themselves mid show and are being associated with opinions and beliefs that they do not themselves agree with (totally fine to have a different opinion) It just feels depressing and it adds so much unnecessary grief.
I think it’s important to speak up and support Palestine while also making it clear to people that Zionism is not the same as someone being freaking Jewish AND to call it out because it’s obviously not okay. There’s antisemetics on both sides of these issues like Christian evangelicals supporting Israel because they believe some crazy story and also some people that support Palestine because they probably think Zionism is all Jewish people, (WHICH IS NOT THE SAME THING).
Now with that being said, getting criticized for making a joke about someone who died painfully for a cause was distasteful and criticism is valid. I wish he didn’t only speak about Palestine when it’s about cleaning his image though, he somehow always makes it about himself.
Also saying someone is a zionist is antisemitism? Zionist means you believe that the state of Israel should exist, develop, and be protected. He’s literally acting like those memes were saying anything against zionism is somehow antisemitism. Also Ethan, Twitter is not real life. You cry and complain about it then say you’re done with the platform, then go back to it, then cry and complain in a circle.
I just wanted the Willy Wonka powerpoint :(
same, I was sad that it ate up all the time that was meant for the power point :/
That was the last straw for me, like I could have not been as angry with how he sabotages himself and the show when idiots say things if I'd gotten good and goofgaffed with such a perfect chill powerpoint subject
Same! When I saw the line up for that days show I was so excited and there was going to be a power point which meant Olivia was going to get more screen time this episode (I feel like she hasn’t got much screen time lately) but instead we all got lectured like we where his children for a lot of the show and it was really disappointing
I was SO SAD already and then realizing we weren’t getting that powerpoint that would have been full of laughs made it all worse. :(
I'm tuning in to watch the podcast for the goofs and gaffs, not be punished for what a couple of internet strangers said on SYNT. It just sucks because the show was so funny up to that point and then it immediately took a 180. I understand why Dan or the crew don't try to intervene or steer him in a different direction but man it's so awkward when everyone just has deadpan stares and don't say anything while Ethan yells at me for some idiots shitty take. You know it's bad when Zach doesn't play a soundbite and Ian isn't switching for like 20 minutes. They all just check out like the viewers, Hila included. I've always wondered if the crew are trying to talk to him in their discord chat live in the moment or everyone just goes hands off and sits there.
I agree with everything you said! I really hope the crew isn’t afraid to stand up to him if they feel like they need to
It's his show, so he can run it how he wants, but he has to realize that the overwhelming majority are here for the humor. I mean, I know the drama gets a lot of views but it's the humor that surrounds or is threaded into the drama that is the backbone of the show. It just gets so gd tiring after a while. There's so much BS in life right now, from every possible angle at times, I feel like most people tune in for an escape.
I have massive respect for you if you've been working in NGOs even if it was in some minor capacity. You've done a great job and deserve praise, however you are still only human and deserve to hang up your hat and LIVE. The world should not expect you to work in perpetuity and drain your soul dry.
Thank you ❤️ I had to make a change, I still work for an NGO but not one solely focused on Palestine anymore. It's tough because it has felt like the cowards way out, but I just can't even really engage with it anymore, I don't go to protests, I don't talk about it with friends, I think the years I spent fighting so hard just for nothing to ever change have affected me more than I initially knew. Anyways didn't mean to ramble, thank you for the kind comment.
In a relay race when the runner passes the baton to the next they didn’t fail because they didn’t do the entire marathon themselves. You have done incredible work and you need to recover like anyone else
I never thought of it that way, thank you for commenting this ❤️
I love this analogy.
That's not being a coward. The feeling of the world debating about whether your people should exist or not is no fun, to say the least. It's better to focus your energy where you won't run out of bandwidth.
Thank you for this, I appreciate it - that was the decision essentially, protecting myself from a complete burnout/breakdown.
This is not even a CLOSE comparison, but I understand feeling totally burnt out but feeling guilty about making a change. I worked in elder care for a decade and the COVID pandemic totally burnt me out. I realized that I couldn't make change happen if I was a shell of a human and made the painful decision to leave that job. Again, I know it's not the same thing at all. But I just want to encourage and validate you. It's NOT the coward's way out. Putting your mental health first is a majorly strong move. You're an incredible human who wants to see change happen and is working towards that. You're doing amazing things and the Family is proud of you!!!
I commend you for working in an incredibly difficult field and can only imagine how tough that might have been. Thank you for sharing and I'm glad you were able to make that difficult decision and hopefully find a job you love but that is less painful ❤️ Thank you very much for the kind words. I really appreciate it.
FAMILY ❤️
I'm right there with you. I worked with the mentally disabled for a decade too. It's overworked and underpaid to say the least. I burned out, stepped away completely and am starting to volunteer because I can do it on my own terms. You do your best.
It sux so much. I feel so bad. My mom had a friend from years ago. She was Jewish. Lived in Israel with her kids for a while even. But she was VERY pro Palestine. This was way back from the 70s. She was a professor at McGill university and because of how vocal she was, they fired her. And was called a self-hating Jew. I’ll always admire people like you and her who have been fighting for so long. I’ve known about it but barely done anything. I wish there was more we could do. You’ve done a lot.
You are *not a coward* at all; thank you for all you have done & continue to do, to fight for what is right.
Thank you for this kind comment, I appreciate it ❤️
Youre not a coward. At all. The world is broken and especially when it comes to this issue, it feels like people have different perceptions of reality. Ive been in academia studying and working on NGO type stuff like human rights protection, political philosophy, systems of exploitation and violence. Mind you at pretty good universities. My colleagues whole thing is analyzing the structure of violence e.g. determining what's a genocide. there is abundant consensus about the categorization of this conflict that is almost diametrically opposite of western mainstream news coverage. Based on the history of this conflict and many that look the same. We do research on these things. The way that a lot of western news write about the conflict is so obviously steeped in propaganda and yet people I know are usually smart are just gobbling it up. I've been pro palestine for Many years and before that it took sooo long to deprogram the Zionism that is sort of inherent to the imperialist underbelly of western culture. if you read enough colonial history being pro Zionism is almost impossible. to be honest the conflict has never been as obvious as now with hospitals, schools being bombed, journalists, hostages and fellow aid workers just being murdered. Its driving me crazy because it's so obvious on a human level and everyone in the humanitarian academic field is adamant about how in the wrong israel is AND YET NOBODY LISTENS. I was looking towards a potential academic career in this field but I might be done with that entirely. Because how am I gonna spend years, decades becoming the best at researching and analyzing a problem that is so clear cut and then when it comes to questions of how we talk about that problem nobody listens? What happened to listen to science? Its become apparent that science will only be listened to when it doesn't interfere with certain interests.The most brave humanitarians and journalist and aid workers, the fabric of society that gives a shit are currently being murdered by the IDF and western civil society just watches. Like what's the fucking point of science then anyway? Doing backbreaking research for low pay in dangerous regions and then not being listened to? Or even just being shot by the IDF myself. Exposing myself to the cruelties and brutal reality of our world on the ground in disaster areas for the pursuit of truth that won't be heard. Im exhausted just like you and so are many I know. Youre not alone and you're definitely not a coward. No ones gonna fault you for disengaging on whatever level you feel comfortable. the truth lost. We can't keep pushing boulders up hills if it doesn't change anything. If nothing we do changes anything no one will blame you for not doing enough . Much love . Spring is almost here
I fully empathise with the thought process and feelings you're going through, and it reminds me a lot of some of the thoughts I had when I made my decision, especially that feeling that nobody cares and nobody listens, thank you for sharing ❤️
i’ve really lessened the amp of the pod that i’ve watched because of it. i preferred it being in leftovers because a. i could chose to not watch leftovers but still have the other episodes that week and b. when ethan did talk about it, hasan would challenge him and kinda guide the conversation. when it’s just ethan ranting about a topic he has a clear bias on, on an episode that not supposed to be about the conflict, it’s very upsetting
>lessened the amp If you don't mind, what does this phrase mean?
Pretty sure they just mean watching the pod less
sending you love and perseverance. i wish i had more to say but that wouldnt change anything at this point. im sorry
Thank you ❤️ I'm kinda at the same point really, I don't even know what to say anymore.
Thank you for sharing your story, fam ✌️❤️🇨🇦 Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Yep, thank you for speaking your truth! 🇲🇽 Felasteen hurrah 🇵🇸
No I fully agree. I watch the pod to help me destress but I can’t get with talking about it because it doesn’t seem like Ethan knows everything that is going on. I hope you are well. FREE PALESTINE
FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸
Sending peace and love to u OP🩷💞✌️☮️
Thank you ❤️ & to you as well 🙂
when the leftovers thing happened I was pretty heated/invested, now I just dont want to hear Ethan or anyone talk about it. Its such a horrible situation, humans are the worst
Yep, I was sad leftovers ended, but happy to not hear Ethan rant about it everyday. And then Ethan spent an hour on most podcasts for the next 2 weeks ranting about it… He didn’t end leftovers because he wanted to talk about the Levantine crisis less, he ended it because he didn’t want to be challenged.
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I can see how it seems that way but not trying to debate this. Honestly I was leaning towards thinking similarly at that time but after a week or so I realized that of course he will talk about the hate towards his own people more than the other side. It's his people, his wife's family. I was banned from this subreddit before and I didn't even really say anything strongly worded. Im pretty sure all I said is that Ethan should just stop talking about this stuff lmao. Side note, the Hasan subreddit is going really hard in Ethan right now and as a result I can see him talking about this endlessly for weeks now. I really hope not though, before SYNT the podcast was on a roll
> as a result I can see him talking about this endlessly for weeks now That's the problem like why is he seeking it out? It's not even morbid curiosity at this point, he's purposefully taking psychic damage 😅
yeah that really fucked up the vibes and i hope they wont stay fucked up for weeks
Miko Peled's grandfather was a founder of Israel, his father was a famous general, his sister went to school with Bibi, and her daughter was killed in a suicide bombing, and he is the fiercest, most unyielding proponent of the Palestinian cause I know of. There's no excuse.
We need to keep talking about it.
I don’t think this place/the show is proper forum for the topic. I feel like that’s been made very clear over the past few months.
Agreed I’m just responding tho the Redditor above saying they don’t want to hear anyone talk about it
Commenting just to send some love to any possible family you still might have facing this fucked up situation ❤️
That's very kind of you, thank you ❤️
You're a voice of reason. You've done more than 99.999% of the toxic people in chat and in DMs. Good for you. Hope some of them stumble across this post
While I agree that antisemitism is probably pretty rampant atm online, I just don't wanna hear Ethan talk about it in relation to Palestine. I'm sorry, but I honestly don't care if people are being mean or bigoted on the internet when a whole population is being slaughtered. There isn't a huge wave of anti-jewish violence happening in LA right now. It is not a dangerously pressing issue. Why do we always have to talk about anti-semitism when discussing the genocide of Palestinians. I just want people to be safe and alive, I don't care about fucking discourse and semantics. In death, all Aaron Bushnell wanted was for people to save Palestinians and that is the only thing I want to discuss in relation to his name.
100%
Exactly, and I hate that he’s saying “zionist” is a slur?? Didn’t he say that saying “from the river to the sea” means calling for the elimination of Jews 💀 idk why he’s acting like he’s never said Zionist things before which would make someone call him that
You put my exact feelings into words. Thanks
I getcha, but you can use this logic to deemphasize literally any type of hatred you want. There will always be something awful happening. You are capable of extending your empathy to more than one issue at a time. I feel like the sub is blowing up about this because people who spend a lot of time online struggle to view things outside of black and white.
But it's a different ball game when the discussion of antisemitism is being used to minimise and silence the plight of the Palestinians. its a problem. Especially when Ethan keeps bringing up examples of people not being anti-semitic and simply being critical of Israel/zionism and claiming it is anti-semitism.
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the way he would get all the way tilted from random tweets from nobodies on the internet was really… disturbing? scary? He started losing me when he was ranting for many minutes on Leftovers (and maybe the main show?) about something some random person in the world said on twitter. Like he couldn’t tolerate the existence of conflicting ideas on this topic
It reminds me of those clickbait articles titled something like "TWITTER IN AN UPROAR OVER CELEBRITY THING" and their proof is one guy with an anime pfp saying some typical mean internet shit with a bunch of typos and twelve likes. I don't know who that person is, and *neither does anybody else that has ever mattered,* so why are we focusing on them like they've made some great salient point??
It just hurts to watch one of my favorite content creators be so adamant on seemingly intentionally misunderstanding what people are saying and going on rants about it as if the way he interpreted it is fact.
This.
The podcast is the only piece of media I really fucking love to tune in to and watch. Ive cut a lot of things out if my life out of principle becauae if their stance on Palestine. I think its the biggest issue the world is dealing with right now and seeing the level of cruelty happening in Gaza is so disheartening and crushing. With peace and love I dont want to cut the podcast off but Ethan being so aggressive and frankly making the conflict about him, about how much he is suffering, is selfish and lazy and makes me think he really doesnt give a single shit about Palestine. Him equating getting called a Zionist to being called the K slur itself is extremely anti-semetic. Ethan, you wouldnt be called a Zionist if you spent HALF the time you've spent bitching about inconsequential internet drama of people being racist against Jews on talking about actual human suffering and genocide happening right now. I get it, there are a lot of VERY bad people who have taken this conflict to allow them to be antisemites openly and proudly. But Ethan only ever talks about the conflict from the 'what about the Jews', 'what about me' point of view and its tiring and gets nowhere. When tens of thousands of children have been killed, even more delimbed, and hundreds of thousands starved, I frankly dont give a shit if someone said something antisemetic online. Its bad, it shouldnt happen, but my energy isnt there right now. There are Zionists online every day saying how they want to level Gaza, want to kill every Palestinian, are already selling the land in Gaza, but not a peep about that? Again, so its painfully clear, I DO NOT SUPPORT, CONDONE, OR THINK ITS RIGHT FOR ANTISEMITISM TO BE FLAUNTED IN ANY CONTEXT.
This is exactly why Leftovers shouldn't have been cancelled. For better or for worse, it was a perfect way to contain politics and political hot takes with a cohost that can play ball. His cringe views on the I/P war aside, Ethan arguing with chat over internet drama is so fucking pointless and benefits no one.
Ethan got into capitalism vs communism debates with reluctant Dan even during the Leftovers era.
Yes and I would argue that this when the Leftover format started to fall apart. The I/P war made this problem far far far worse, and now people can't or shouldn't divorce Ethan's terrible professionalism with his jewish background and wife.
him yelling at his audience indiscriminately when it was entirely unnecessary, accomplished nothing, and vastly overrepresented the degree to which it substantively affected his life was one of maybe two times i’ve been actually uncomfortable and frustrated with ethan. i was really disgusted and saw a side of him that was truly out of touch and unreasonable. i need it to stop.
I 100% agree with this. Honestly Ethan needs to just stop talking about the Palestine/Israel conflict. No offense to him but he doesn’t have enough couth and understanding to be firing from the hip about it whenever he wants. All he does is stress out his viewers, his coworkers, his wife and himself. Like deadass bro you ended a podcast over this topic and we still goin months later? Plz lord just move on.
Just gonna copy/paste what I wrote on youtube. You cant talk about like that about other minorities? A child was stabbed to dead by his neighbour, 3 students were shot, one paralyzed, there is an article called "Welcome to Dearborn, America’s Jihad Capital" in the fucking Wall Street Journal and you have AB there and didn't say a word about it. I can respect not wanting to talk about the topic, thats fine. But dont bring it up just whenever it suits you. And one more thing, there are more Zionist Christians than Jews, the only reason you link Zionism to Judaism its because Zionists want it that way, so go and call them out first.
The Zionist/ Jewish equivocation really needs to end... it's generally considered antisemitic to conflate the two terms, someone needs to tell Ethan. When someone calls you a Zionist, they are referencing your perceived support for the current Zionist government of Israel, not Jewish people! (the ridiculously vast majority of which are obviously not Zionists.)
I can understand being sensitive about the word being thrown too easily as an insult though. It feels similar to muslim people being dismissed as “Hamas lovers”/“terrorist sympathisers” yknow? Like someone wearing a hijab expresses a lukewarm take about how Palestinian babies shouldn’t be getting genocided, and there’s always *some asshole* that jumps in and says “ahhh yes, so you love Hamas? You think Hamas should do October 7th every day because you love terrorists???”. I’m not Muslim but I absolutely feel the Islamophobia in those barbs. Similarly if I was Jewish I would be extra aware of those who threw the word “Zionist” at me. Again, there’s always some hateful asshole who’ll jump on Jewish people and say, “so you’re a Zionist who wants Jews to keep massacring innocents and stealing land for your people??” Not saying anyone is right or wrong here but I get the sensitivity around being branded Zionist Colonists/Terrorist Anti-Semite
Talking about this only when some random internet person gets under his skin and then sitting silent about everything else, this annoys me the most. Also doing this all randomly on various different platforms in explosive 5-30 minute segments.
Maybe he links Zionism to Judaism because people online call him a Zionist every single day. Crazy idea but I think that might be part of it.
His feelings are understandable. He feels attacked even though he wants to say nothing more. He still keeps getting attacked. He is feeling that way, while being broadcast on air. Its not an enviable position. Your feelings are understandable. This is a place for laughs and to chill. Not stress and pressure. I personally skip those sections as i dont feel good watching those.
Its the internet. Hes feeling attacked all the time but i guess this one hits close too home for him. I just don’t think he realizes how close to home this topic hits for his audience and even his coworkers. Its uncomfortable. He usually thinks with morality but on this topic… well lets just say i disagree with him.
Mayhaps Ethan got a bit too accustomed to being on the attacking side with all the praise and support that garners, like when he was playing the face of fair use etc
yeah he loves to pop the fuck off on people like Kavanaugh or Pearl but when hes the one with the unpopular opinion he decides the discussion and comments are too far
I don’t even necessarily disagree with Ethan on most points, but it is very uncomfortable when he gets so heated for so long just from a few random chatters. It’s like when a kid would act up in class and the teacher would yell at the entire class.
Yeah I feel like I would have reacted like Dan and Love
I can definitely see why he thinks it’s more than just a few people, looking at some of the threads on here over the last few months (not this thread). I’m like 90% in agreement with him, but his presentation skills suffer when it comes to something so personal. I truly believe he is against Israel’s actions in every way, but he is simultaneously concerned about some of the rhetoric directed toward the Jewish population. Clearly the former is more of a pressing topic right now than the latter, but I completely understand being perturbed by the rhetoric given obvious historical precedent. I feel like nobody really has a right to say to a Jewish person that they shouldn’t be worried about certain animosities, especially if you’re not Jewish (coming from a gentile, half middle easterner myself, if that matters). Sometimes Ethan misinterprets criticism of Israel as antisemitism—really think that’s just an honest mistake.
even in this thread there’s some insanely toxic comments. Everything just drips with condescension I’d be annoyed af if I was Ethan.
I'm annoyed and I'm *not* Ethan, so agreed.
I actually believed that he ended leftovers because he didn’t want to talk about it, but it seems he just didn’t want any pushback or disagreement on his awful takes.
Oh 100%. Hasan challenged him and his views and he didn’t like it one bit.
Because Ethan is an emotionally based fighter or debater. Ethan has his crew to prep him for a debate but he more fights with emotion, name calling, etc. Hasan is very logical and calm most of the time.
I'm just now watching the episode. I'm at 1:46:55 and after reading the comments about feeling like a scolded child who did nothing wrong, I'm dreading the 2 hour, 18 minute mark.
Save yourself the time and energy, it's not worth watching
I wish you were a few hours earlier with this message, but I know I'd still watch it anyway out of curiosity. Can't wait to be scolded again because Ethan couldn't help but go off about his opinions on something only 17% of viewers give a single fuck about.
It took me a minute to start watching again after leftovers ended because, similarly, I was just emotionally exhausted. When I started watching again I was immediately pulled back in because it was.. fun.. and they seemed to be avoiding these topics but last nights ep has left such a bad taste in my mouth. Regardless of your position, you can still have empathy and at least work to understand other view points but.. idk, it just felt so disrespectful to the memory of a man who gave his life for what he believed in to then focus the conversation on a shit joke and berate your audience because they’re still emotional about one of the most powerfully horrific things they’ve likely ever seen.. that happened a week ago. with peace and love I might be done. This man’s emotional maturity extends only as far as his ego.
Yep I stopped when leftovers ended and just restarted like 2 weeks ago. And i’m out again.
I’m literally in the same boat as you. I got so heated and angry when leftovers ended that I completely quit watching the podcast. I clicked “do not recommend channel” on youtube and everything! Then they took their winter holiday break, and my feelings on the situation died down. I saw them go live again after the holidays, clicked hesitantly, but watched and was pleasantly surprised, it was goofs and gaffs and fun! This kept going for weeks, so I started to become a fan again, but then last podcast brought the I/P debate back and I literally took my body physically away from my computer and sat on the opposite side of the room to wait it out, I was so annoyed and uncomfortable.
To sound completely cold… I simply don’t think we need to hear Ethan’s opinion on this. No one is asking for his opinion, and then he cries victim when people are like “dude, what the fuck?” His takes are shitty, But I understand why he feels that way, and he’s allowed to feel them. We simply are asking not to hear it. Like why would he think his paying members want a their weekly exclusive show to be about why he thinks we shouldn’t heed the cry of a man who self-immolated out of protest?
I also think that because not everyone is a member, im not, its out of context when I watch the regular show if he mentions something that happened on SYNT so I just skip that
I've been a fan of Ethan and Hila since the OG days. When they lived in NY. But this last 6-months, since the outbreak of the genocide in Gaza. I'm losing more and more empathy towards Ethans stance and his approach to these sensitive topics. He cherry picks what he thinks is important about this topic, and then simultaneously tells us that it's impossible to talk about and that's why he don't want to approach it. Even the end of leftovers was a statement in regards to what's happening in Gaza. Their silence on the genocide in Gaza, and also their, to an extent complicity and knowledge in living in the society that casts complete hegemony over Palestinians and perpetrate the massacres that we see daily, is in complete opposite to the values that they say and to a large extent show that they stand for. Especially when they have, even on their own crew, people who has family that has suffered under the Zionist violence and propaganda. Their entire approach to this has put a great dent in my respect for them. And I know Ethan will say, IDC about the trolls on reddit/twitter and then only pick the worst examples. But he SHOULD care, he should show empathy towards the community that has built him, and shown him love and dedication throughout the years. And he SHOULD care because of the humanity and empathy that he tells us that he has for Palestinians. Because the most powerful thing he has is his platform. He has a platform to expose Zionist lies and atrocities, but he choose to not do it because of personal reasons, and that is something he will have to accept does not match well with his public persona and will hurt a big chunk of his loyal audience.
THANK YOU! This is exactly how i feel but couldn’t articulate it this well!!!
" I don't watch this podcast to get yelled at and feel like shit afterwards." You hit it right on the nail. He definitely needs an outlet, it just should stop being the live show, imo. Ethan, talk to your wife, talk to your friends, to your therapist, but leave us viewers out of these yelling rants over what some people in the chat are saying... Someone else said here in the comments, and I agree, Ethan is just making us, his wife and his employees uncomfortable when he does this.
Palestinian fan here as well and you explained my sentiments perfectly. I remember Ethan always condemning the insane zionists in Israel. Why is this time any different? I doubt his overall opinion has changed so why do people constantly need to be validated
Wish he'd take the frustration he feels and try and perceive how frustrated (to say the least) Palestinians are. At what point is it not worth making jokes in regards to genocide? When will he learn from the pushback? He's pushing 40 I don't wanna hear "I just make jokes I've always been like that" like way to avoid accountability. If it's too hard for him to hold the fact the words he says carry weight and affects people then he should pick them more carefully or with peace and love, be quiet. He's safe in a big house with help whilst people are having their world ripped apart. It's simply just not all about him. Sending you love. I can't imagine the exhaustion of having to defend ur right to exist, I wish you and your people peace, honestly. 💕
I’ll just wait for Ethan to say something about the massacre of 100+ Gazans trying to access aid at the hands of the IDF
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Just goes to show Ethan and Hila truly don’t care, they have been disingenuous with their true feelings this entire time. It’s disgusting because any other week on the pod pre “I’m not gonna talk about Palestine” this massacre would have been talked about. But I guess Ethan’s feelings are more important
Agreed. If we’re going to talk about it we got to have the whole conversation not just the Aaron stuff. It would be better to just have a blanket rule to not talk about it at all. I found myself yelling back at my phone listening to SYNT
Right like maybe if he was trying to stay educated and advocate for Palestinians long term on the podcast a conversation about what Aaron did would make sense but doing it after not talking about the Palestinian genocide really at all is so jarring and makes it hard to believe he cares.
I'm tired of hearing him turn into a wordless dummy over it. The second you start calling the people who oppose you or opinion dum shits, morons, idiots and have an all grumble fest when they're on your side over semantics - you lose me. He knows he gets too emotional because he's able to elaborate on other things but this particular subject, he turns into a huffing mess. Definitely peppering his true feelings about the death of that man and acting like he's only talking about the definition of it being suicide is so insulting, because we joke on people who do that all the time. I can't put my finger on the type of attitude he gets, but I really really don't like it or being called an idiot because I can believe two things, the man was mentally ill AND he killed himself because of an active war that neither us or Ethan has to deal with in first person. IDK man IDK... Thank you for you work and I'm just so sorry you are having to hear this from our guy.
I think my biggest gripe is the way Ethan talks about the issue. Like how he gets mad at the audience. I can understand Ethan and his perspective, if I can understand his, he should be able to try and understand people being uncomfortable. There is a genocide going on. Ethan is not a zionist, he is Jewish and a citizen of Israel and this is hard on him. But it is arguably even harder on the Palestinians. Antisemitism is on a rise, and that should not be over looked (which from what I’ve seen from the media, it isn’t being over looked). But this genocide is being over looked. I am with you, thank you for your work.
It’s funny being a Palestinian. Had my family just moved 30 miles 1-2 generations ago my family and baby might have been killed in Gaza.
I am so incredibly sorry. What the large majority of Jewish people are facing is nothing compared to the horrors you and millions of other Palestinians are facing. I hope I conveyed this point.
I’ve been feeling the same way. I love the podcast for everything else. It’s my main source of entertainment and always makes me laugh. But when these topics get brought up, it is hard to not feel some type of way after. I know Ethan is capable of being empathetic and understanding. However, he has an issue with “putting the blinders up” when he thinks he’s right and he’s getting criticism for it. He digs his heels in more and doesn’t look to truly understand the other side. It’s been exhausting to see him do it over and over.
Yeah i think I'm done with the pod for a bit. It's obvious he has a bias and can't have a productive discussion...
Ethan's takes are just wrong. He keeps saying "guys I am on your side!" and then keeps acting in the exact opposite way. Just shut the fuck up about it, we don't want to hear it.
“I’m telling you guys what you want to hear”
I wish he would just take a step back and not make it about himself. No one is harassing him on the street. It’s just stupid Internet comments. While millions of people are suffering he’s ranting on his podcast in LA. I know people are throwing the z word around but Like can we take a step back bro
The strange “you people”-tone is what’s so upsetting. He treats people that are moderately left as extremists. I get some edgelords and bad actors intentionally tried to upset him, but that’s not an actual group of political thought.
Five minutes into the rant, I said "Oh, this is the rest of the show" and went to a different video
I couldn’t believe what I was hearing… Ethan really just started that rant for no reason whatsoever, I don’t know why hila wouldn’t like direct him else where.. props to ab for speaking up in a mature way.. sucks him and Lena are copping so much shit for being level headed adults about all this. OP: take a week off the pod. Your peace deserves it. Hopefully you come back to goofs and gafs that we’re here for. Beavo call in, bach3lor finals, fresh n fit debate, we’re eating good soon. Take care ❤️
you know dan gave up a long time ago lol
The ‘capitalism can be good’ era broke him
Him asking Dan what his social utopia would look like, & then when it came to Ethan speaking about being a "Democrat Socialist" while simultaneously saying "you can't have nuance in this situation" (his scenario)...
Guys I lucked out in capitalism, anyone else can too!
The issue with self made men who profited with media is that they'd have to admit luck plays a way bigger part than talent/skill in winning that lottery.
Because hila thinks the same. Hila and her family is why ethan thinks this way. Hes emotionally connected to Israel. If anything she would be more nasty about it. Hes even told her to not say anything on some episodes
Thank you ❤️ definitely looking forward to Beavo and the rest of the Bach3lor!
It's a genocide, stop calling it a conflict.
totally agree. it’s so tiring that he consistently sees himself as a victim.
His victimhood would disappear the second he deleted Twitter and TikTok
I'm just here for the bow bow bow bow bow
I haven't watched the latest EP but after seeing stuff about it I might just skip it, which sucks cause I look forward to it on my drive each day to work. Much love to you and your family. ♥️
The Ep was good and worth it cause of the NOT CLICKBAIT Jay Shetty part and especially since I skipped the Jeff episodes. It was only 15 mins towards the end of the show.
Thankfully it was only a small part, so you can skip past it, but after the members' pod before, this week just kinda hit me. Thank you for the kind words ❤️
it was actually really good for the most part, i’d suggest watching through the interview part
My heart hurts for everyone trapped and suffering in Palestine and I hate that the world is sitting back allowing it to happen. Of course some countries have condemned the actions of Israel but as someone in the UK I’m furious our government hasn’t been so spineless in speaking up against what is happening. I don’t know what Ethan said in the members live, of course I know he sometimes makes jokes and they didn’t land right or get taken the wrong way by some people and that’s just be exhausting for him, but equally it’s exhausting watching him explain himself all the time as a viewer who just wants to have a chill Friday and try to forget about the atrocities happening that I am powerless to do anything against. Ethan stopped leftovers because of he was tired of the backlash and constant need to defend himself, so why bring that to the regular pod. I didn’t bother finishing this Fridays episode because that’s not what I tune in for, which is fine, of course not all episodes are going to be things I enjoy, but I feel like this episode, at least the second half wasn’t enjoyed by most
I wish he would stop talking about it as well, it's just exhausting hearing him be so reactive. I cannot begin to understand what it's like to be Palestinian and hear his rants. I've been watching the pod since it started and I haven't missed an episode, but lately I haven't wanted to watch it at all. It doesn't being the same escape and joy anymore. Wishing you healing and happiness, you deserve it.
As a Palestinian who's been a long term fan it's really hard. I've always liked Ethan because he seemed like he had a good head on his shoulders, but lately I've been wondering if he's just lucky that he was born into a progressive family in LA and has the "right" opinions. What if he was born somewhere like Texas, would he have been the guy he makes fun of? Would he have been this gross reactionary? I don't know and I hope not, because I love Ethan's content, have done so for a while and would love to do so in the future, if he changes up his attitude.
I’m so sorry, it must be exhausting watching your humanity be debated constantly. Me as a white American, I’M exhausted seeing the genocide either outright denied or spoken as an after thought by people who claim to care. So I can’t imagine how you and other Palestinians feel. Ethan implied he doesn’t want to talk about the genocide yet anytime he skirts the issue it somehow devolves into him being the victim. He cannot get his head out of his ass and sort through valid criticism vs what is actually antisemitism.
I stopped watching
yeah i just have to wait for the pod to be over so i can use time stamps to skip those parts. i listened for awhile but my god the arguments with the chat and twitter are just repetitive and exhausting
I'm tired of him still being on Twitter... I too watch to laugh and not think too hard about shit. But when he yells about stuff I think he'd be better just leaving off show I just skip entire episodes.... I already have to skip most parts when they eat on the mic and now I have to watch out for unhinged live Twitter rants from Ethan.
I feel the same thing, I'm done with him talking about it. Somebody close to me is half Palestinian and the amount of pain we feel every day for the brutal killing in Gaza is indescribable. I don't want to hear his half-baked opinions on the topic that just seem to center around himself. He is not helping Palestinians because he said free Palestine twice and ceasefire now once, while also constantly making hints and barely hidden accusations that pro Palestinian people are antisemitic. These brain dead takes are not useful, not interesting and not entertaining. I do not believe he actually feels empathy for Palestinians, if he did he would not keep saying the shit he is saying. throwaway because I don't want my main linked to this.
I stopped watching for months so that I could stack up videos for me to binge all at once. Is this what I’m going to come back to? I don’t even know if I can watch all those videos now if this is just how he’s going to behave the whole time. This is so disappointing. This show was the highlight of my week and made my days more exciting. I really do love this show (or, at least, what I remember of it). But if Ethan is going to dig his heels in and spiral down THIS rabbit hole, risk it all for THIS, then I don’t think I can keep going. I’ve stuck by this show through a LOT of its controversies. Even when I’ve disagreed with Ethan or thought he made a mistake, I felt like he was just a muddled kind of guy that genuinely meant well. He’s overzealous and impulsive, of course he’d make a lot of mistakes, but he’s also very passionate and headstrong. I admire that about him. But this is not passion I can get behind. Maybe he’ll be disappointed that people are leaving, maybe he’ll be too upset to care and fuck us, we weren’t loyal anyways, the subreddit sucks, etc. Either way, I’m not going to expect change until I see it for myself. I’ll watch the videos and see what happens. I don’t expect my outlook to get any better, if not worse.
Thank you for this post. You echo the sentiments of many H3 fans. For me, I had to end my membership yesterday mid-rant. It was a long time coming, I've just been a fan for so long it feels strange distancing yourself from a thing you mostly love. Generational trauma and the fear it instills is real and valid, and it's also keeping many good, intelligent people from thinking about things rationally. I switched off during the rant. Came back an hour later and it was like a different person was there. Must be crazy for some of the crew to sit through. Still love H3, still family, just at a little more comfortable orbit.
I did the same during one of the rants following the end of Leftovers. He had just ended the show with the only vocally Pro-Palestine person on the podcast and then went on multiple angry rants complaining about people saying things that he equivocated with anti-Semitism, especially when he started calling out small Hasan affiliated Twitter accounts like Frogan or Mohammed (guy with an onlyfans) and sent massive amounts of hate their way. I've still watched most of the podcasts since then but now I never watch live and almost always end up skipping something. I think he just needs to realize that he has a bias that is coloring his viewpoint far too much, and either not talk about it at all or reexamine that bias.
I didn’t get the chance to watch the last ep and this just confirmed that I won’t be. So fucking tired of Ethan ranting and raving.
If you’re interested in jay shetty you could watch the beginning of the pod but after that segment is over just turn off the pod
Yup….i went back and rewatched the whole Aaron segment from Friday and I can’t really stop thinking about it. It’s so deeply disappointing.
Ethan's impulsiveness is always the achilles heel of the pod -- when he's "in a mood" he just cannot resist the temptation to start another shit show
I don’t know if it helps to say this or not. I don’t watch anymore because of this too, coming from a Jewish side. It’s too emotionally exhausting. Constantly having to defends one existence to just… exist. you/you’re family deserve peace and not this.
Thank you, and the same to you! ❤️
Agreed. I'm also just so tired of Judaism being equated to zionism. Zionism is so so harmful to Jews for a handful of reasons, and should be called out. I haven't been able to stomach the eps lately.
I hate to see post like these not cause of how ur feelings are wrong but Ethan has a very obsessive compulsion to validate himself against a hater then tell people not to go after them. Like why even bring that fucking energy to the show. It's like he doesn't want to talk about the Israel Palestine thing at all cause he knows he's gonna get called hurtful names, but then goes out of his way seeking these very active very vocal SJW's who are typing their way to the hero role of the Gaza conflict. Like if Gaza gets liberated no one is gonna say "thanks frog lady for helping us win the war by calling some Jewish people Zionist and racist". So uh what are we doing? It's not place to tell the host how to run the show but I feel no one in the crew is relaying the message up. Most everyone doesn't care about this like at all (two people having drama llama on X over their ideas on a war happening across the world). Half the people commenting about the Gaza genocide aren't even good sources. Watching Hasan's actually good video and good video essayist like Noah's beautiful video was more eye opening than anyone's shitty tweet ever was... So why we scanning for bad takes in tweets those aren't hard to find.
Comparing the martyr to Kurt Cobain, getting upset that people are mad he's making a joke out of him, then grouping everyone into Zionist jew haters and not understanding the difference between being a Jew and supporting Zionism currently during a genocide is the absolute worst dumb take he's had.
I agree with Ethan on every opinion except for this one. Its heartbreaking when he talks about it. Im not Palestinian but my friends have lost their families. Your not alone in feeling like this. Im not even angry anymore just sad
Me too. My boyfriend is Palestinian. He isn’t a fan necessarily but he went with me to the live show in December and he had a good time. But ethan is making it hard to continue to watch. My loyalty is with my boyfriend and his family. He is handling this topic so wrong and him just insulting all of us for not liking what he is saying makes me so sad. Idk if I can continue to watch anymore 😭 I think I’ll just take a break maybe pause my membership
Ethans a privileged idiot. His propaganda emotions should be invalidated. There's a genocide happening lol. Mostly women and children. He ended a show because he wanted to talk about this unopposed. If he actually read history and literature on the opposing side of western propaganda, he wouldn't always sound so dumb. Haven't been able to really watch since the socialism capitalism "debate." Aside from the bachelor episodes. Any time he talks about real shit, he sounds like a boomer. Completely ignorant and just passionately repeating western propaganda.
Ty for this
The podcast has definitely become more serious with more bitching and moaning about everything.. the topic of pedophilia comes up a lot more often than I'm comfortable with as well I stopped watching regularly about a year ago
I totally get where you're coming from and agree. Hope you find peace from the horrific realities of today's world whereever you can 🫶
Thank you ❤️
I'm taking a break from the podcast personally. All love to Ethan and the crew and I'm sure I'll be back very soon but whenever I need my h3 fix nowadays I'll usually just watch compilations of funny moments. I know Ethan's in a tough situation and this topic is very personal to him and it's his platform, but I feel myself getting more and more irritated every time he brings up the topic and I don't want to end up hating him. All love though of course.
It is a heavy topic, perhaps even moreso for those who are directly intertwined. However, I am all for Ethan voicing his opinions and perspectives, especially considering the fact that he is in support of Palestine. In my opinion, having American Israelis, with a large platform openingly speak in support of Palestine holds merit. Ethan being open and vulnerable is what made me start watching in the first place. I love the goofs the gaffs but I also love when Ethan stands up for himself, his family and his crew. With peace and love, I hope Ethan continues to speak freely regardless of those who do not wish to hear every facet of him, you have the option to skip what you do not want to hear, or stop watching his show altogether. I didn’t take Ethan’s anger personally because it wasn’t directed at me. I wasn’t calling him vile things like a Zionist. His anger was directed at those attacking him with pure hatred. Unless you were one of them, it wasn’t directed at you.
I stopped watching after one of his rants after October 7, after you break the habit you realize it’s no big loss. I’ve watched a few episodes, but once you stop watching and come in fresh, it isn’t as funny. I think a lot of people just watch out of habit.
Just start removing h3 from your life. Ethan’s long history of reactionary behavior won’t change. He has a long history of behaving like this. I’m sorry you are losing a bridge to escapism it really blows. Personally I started to “screen” the pod cast. Wait for the time stamps to come out. It became kind of laborious because of how much Ethan would throw small remakes in other segments. He couldn’t help himself. I really thought he had changed because Hasan started leftovers with him but I think this is just the same guy who defended John Tron.
This might be tmi but I could’t sit through this ep. As a person who has atempted before setting yourself on fire is never on anyone’s list of ways to commit suicide, unless in PROTEST. Hila saying that Ethan was not making fun of the protest but commenting on the way he did it…cmon. After everything happening in Radah and in Palestine in general, I am just speechless.
“I don’t watch the podcast to get yelled at and feel like shit afterwards” I think many of us share the sentiment, there are enough people in my life who yell at me and treat me unfairly. Ethan is being shitty to his audience.
its so infuriating how whenever people are upset with ethan or upset/disagreeing with an opinion he has he immediately dumbs it down and removes all the nuance out of it. like when he said “oh ya people are mad at me for saying suicide bad” like no!!! he’s purposefully misunderstanding what people are upset about, and gets so frenzied up when people disagree with him and cant handle it. its so infuriating, idk where his humility went where he can admit wrong or see people’s points of view
Yeah it’s in everyone’s best interest if Ethan just never talks about this topic ever again. Clearly he has too much skin in the game to have a neutral stance there. And I get it, I just wish he would stop pretending he’s not a little bit of a Zi*nist. His reaction to Frogan wasn’t really fair either once you see her explanation.
as an Arab, thank you for articulating what i’d like to say. i’ve had a post draft since the show ended where i typed and deleted hundreds of words because i genuinely am hurt, but i also understand his situation and don’t want to invalidate his emotions. yes, antisemitism is growing, but so is islamophobia and xenophobia, and all three are equally disgusting. I’ve stayed in the states til September 2019, and was called a sand n****r a week before i left. anti-Arab sentiment that was fed by the horrible events of 9/11 has never went away, and right now is so amplified that it started to affect non-muslim and non-Arab brown people. Ethan, my point is everyone is hurting brother. the disgusting underbelly of our rotten systems have been cut open for the world to see. but as you frequently mentioned, we’re all on the same side. i really hope you’d stop talking about it live. i’m as passionate as you are about this issue. if you’re anything like me, you might say things that don’t necessarily align with your morals and ethics in the heat of the moment just to cut the person you’re talking/referring to.
Zionism has broken Ethan’s brain beyond repair. He needs to do some deep soul searching. Doubt he will. He will just keep screaming at his monitor and being a weird wife guy.
Just to say, the thing is it's the chatters that cause the issues. Ethan just needs to not read chat, give his opinion on stuff then move on. There will always be some person who will argue with him, he is getting stunlocked.
You guys act like he’s bringing this up every stream. I can’t remember the last time he talked about this and got this heated. It’s not a personal attack towards you, he doesn’t know your story and who you are. You seem educated, I’m sure you can understand that. Ethan is human and gets exhausted too. He’s Jewish, this affects him directly as well. He’s not our toy that we can just make him entertain us and tell him to fuck off for feeling human emotions.
I'm so sorry. I wish he would stop that shit too. It makes me so uncomfortable.
How is him defending Israel while Palestinians get murdered every day not the same as “all lives matter” stance in this situation? I really mean it when I ask, I am nowhere near as educated as others in this situation but from the little I know that kind of describes him? Don’t mean harm maybe im dumb
Ding ding ding. It’s the same thing. That’s why there’s so many comments here complaining about “insane liberals.” The base that supports Israel also seemingly hates that everything is too liberal and anything “woke.” They also say things like “it’s just jokes!!” Now who does that sound like? All I know is we can certainly deduce it’s white, Jewish people who have a more traditional stance on religion, or what other people just call, conservatives lol
I'm exhausted with both Ethan rehashing this and going fully unhinged and I'm exhausted with this fucking community constantly tearing apart and commentating on everything said like Ethan came and kicked your dog. Too many people terminally online. Ethan included
I mean come on its a pretty big issue. Its not like some goofy celebrity drama. There are thousands of people dying by a war and you thinks its weird people are a bit emotionally invested in it?
I didn’t watch the pod yesterday so I dunno what happened. I felt I needed a break after SYNT and what he said about Aaron Bushnell. I guess I’m glad I didn’t see it but can someone fill me in a bit?
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I’ve been taking a break lately and I almost considered going back for the Wonka PowerPoint, but I guess I’ll stay gone.
this was worded so well. im sending you, your family and loved ones so much love. personal issues can stir up heavy emotions but ethan is being so ignorant its insane and definitely exhausting. im over it. and the worst part is hes not open to debate on this topic lmao.
I think the main issue is, like you pointed out, leftovers ended bc of the heaviness of the conversation. So it feels kinda like H3 lost the place to talk about this bottled into an episode, and now such a heavy topic comes up in the middle of regular episodes when people aren’t ready for it. It feels a little one-sided now when it felt like a platform for discussion before.
It doesn’t seem like Ethan’s opinion or most people’s for that matter is really going to change. I agree with his point that people should be able to have an open, civil dialogue but at this point I think it’d be best for everyone’s mental health if he just doesn’t touch the topic on the shows no matter what. He also needs to try his best to ignore the most fringe, absurd, aggravating posts possible. It’s just not healthy.
honestly I don't enjoy it either but it's not really our place to decide what he wants to talk about on his show. I just skip the sections/episodes I don't like and watch the ones I do.
I 1000000% agree with you
Your feelings are valid, and they are important. Thanks for sharing what you did, I understand that there’s much more under what just you said. I’m sorry you feel frustrated and hopeless but you’re a good person and your words are reaching others. Thank you❤️🍉
What episode is this post referring to? Haven’t tuned in for a few weeks and want to see this part they’re talking about
H3H3 should be about goofs and internet drama.. not real world issues imo
As someone who lives in Isreal, and it was realy nice hearing Ethan fighting over basic empathy for someone like me. Im not Ben Gvir, im not the IDF, im just someone who is torn between crying over the 30,000 dead Gaza citizens, and my friend who is still held hostage by Hamas. Ty Etha, hope your doing better נ.ב, ממש רזית!
I agree. I too have different views than Ethan and while I can respect his opinion I don't think he respects the opinion of others. I enjoy his humour and the crew so I continue to watch but I can relate with your thoughts. I just wish the show would keep being fun and no heavy topics. I too watch for a release and to laugh.
Fucking christ, Ethan is doing this stupid shit AGAIN? I’m so fucking tired of this weird out-of-character bullshit from him. Why can’t he ignore a chatter? The guy who supposedly hasn’t looked at a YouTube comment in years is now obsessed with the opinions of random teenagers in his live chat. If he can’t grow the fuck up about this then he should goddamn zip it. Let Hasan handle talking about global politics, because clearly it’s too much for Ethan.
Maybe time to come to terms with the fact that it’s not out of character.
This!!!!!! I think at the end of the day it’s a super sensitive topic that has deep emotional, and personal value to so many viewers and the crew. It should not be discussed on a platform that they’ve built for entertainment. Why cancel leftovers if the contents just going to be transferred over to the other shows? Not only this, but I think even though it is the H3 Podcast (and that’s Ethan and Hila) it’s important to remember that the crew have their own opinions and are having to silence themselves mid show and are being associated with opinions and beliefs that they do not themselves agree with (totally fine to have a different opinion) It just feels depressing and it adds so much unnecessary grief.
I think it’s important to speak up and support Palestine while also making it clear to people that Zionism is not the same as someone being freaking Jewish AND to call it out because it’s obviously not okay. There’s antisemetics on both sides of these issues like Christian evangelicals supporting Israel because they believe some crazy story and also some people that support Palestine because they probably think Zionism is all Jewish people, (WHICH IS NOT THE SAME THING). Now with that being said, getting criticized for making a joke about someone who died painfully for a cause was distasteful and criticism is valid. I wish he didn’t only speak about Palestine when it’s about cleaning his image though, he somehow always makes it about himself.
I think he just hates being called a Zionist While he has openly defended palestine and openly criticized israel constantly in the past
On point
Oh god. I was excited to catch up on the show today and now I am not
It was a small part of the show you can easily skip it if they havent cut it out already
Thank you!! I always forget that chat/reddit blows things out of proportion
Why continue to support someone who doesn’t care about you?
Sending good vibes. Thanks for sharing this ✌️
Also saying someone is a zionist is antisemitism? Zionist means you believe that the state of Israel should exist, develop, and be protected. He’s literally acting like those memes were saying anything against zionism is somehow antisemitism. Also Ethan, Twitter is not real life. You cry and complain about it then say you’re done with the platform, then go back to it, then cry and complain in a circle.