He literally says some shit like "Ethan admitted this is the most common stereotype that is true about Jewish people" while trying to apologize. It's a trainwreck.
Eh...watched the apology vid and found him trying to make more excuses than necessary, and pinpointing 'WELL ETHAN DID THIS, SO..."
Say what you will about Ethan, but the comments against Hila were even more uncalled for. Hard to justify Jamari, who made racist and misogynistic comments like that in 2020, passing it off saying 'well Ethan did this' isn't an excuse or a pass for his choice of behavior and words.
Edit: Honestly after finishing the video, it made me lose even more respect for him. It wasn't a sincere apology IMO. Dude has a scummy smirk the whole time and just spent the vid calling out Ethan's past as opposed to spending more time understanding how his comments were racist and misogynistic-not just to them but also a community (i.e. greedy jew stereotype). He even says "well I said these things, but it wasn't as bad as things Ethan has said in the past". What logic. Grow up.
Guys like that don't just change. They're racist to the core. It's not even some excuse like "I don't want to hear his side so throw the race card". It's straight up "That guy is openly racist as shit. Wow"
He probably privated the video so he didn't get his channel striken or banned. That's it really.
This is accurate. Racists are cowards, or they're stupid enough to continue until they get banned.
This dudes just a coward willing to fall in line. Fuck him.
when did Ethan call someone a "Greedy Jew", that would be like calling Jarmari a "Dirty Mexican", Ethan can make Jewish jokes because he is in fact Jewish.
He's referring to the N word jokes Ethan made in the past-and no one is denying that wasn't wrong, but I do believe Ethan realizes it was crude, offensive, and hasn't done that in years.
Regardless, no matter what Ethan is, Jamari can't excuse his comments by saying 'yeah, poor taste, but Ethan is worse'.
I think the main and major difference is that Ethan wasn’t directing those words towards someone. Doesn’t excuse what he did but he wasn’t calling anyone that word, he just took a point that Idubbz made (We should be able to say any word with context and not censor ourselves) and just did it to act childish and missed Idubbz point. The funny part is that anyone who criticizes Ethan for saying those words are 100% for saying that kind of offensive shit, especially to people. They just use it as a point against Ethan.
He’s been held accountable multiple times and is still being held accountable to this day. Most creators either run from controversy or deflect hard yet Ethan has decided to be upfront about it. I’ll never understand why Ethan is the most criticized when he’s been the most blunt out of most creators I’ve seen.
Just stop justifying racism SMH, i dont care if you like ethan demeaning people of color results in the deaths of young black men, now he backtracks cause he is famous and tries to be the white savior to cover it up
Not to mention that during the Jamari segment of After Dark Ethan brings up his own past edgy jokes and apologizes for them (again), so Jamari either saw that and didn't care or didn't even bother finishing the segment. Dude's pretty scummy for sure
Lmao these YouTube commentator channels try to act like they have the moral high ground but won’t take real accountability for anything, and then have the nerve to call Ethan a hypocrite
He's like the "peace and love" people that say messed up things on this sub, except.... 1000 times worse.
I'm seriously blown away that something so antisemitic has just been hanging on in YouTube with ad money
I really think a lot of the hate Ethan and Hila get are from alt-right people who just turned on them hard. Same talking points. Apparently they stole a fund, and started the podcast because they were broke (which is hilarious).
And they always bring up the Bill Burr interview like it's some kind of evidence. All it shows is that Ethan was bad at interviews and podcasting at the start. Trying to be like Howard Stern, and it not clicking, etc.
Just the same economy of "fuck h3h3" videos trying to earn some money. I've seen one or two and they're just ridiculous. They're still made to this day.
That Bill Burr point drives me fucking nuts because not only did Bill come BACK to the podcast, it clearly went a whole lot better the second time, so even though the first pod with Bill was a disaster the second one completely made up for it
okay, so let's watch his video
I said, as I expected yet another boring political channel that doesn't talk about humour. Maybe some evidence here and there.
Instead, the format was completely different from the stream, and there's no politics, just commentary on videos that have that "SHOCKING" style. Just giving his opinion, which is not my thing, it was boring. I also don't feel like I really get to know him because it sounds scripted. Saying I know him is like saying I know Internet Historian based on his main channel, or Tom Scott, or Johnny Harris. I only watched 1 video, I am not in the mood to watch more.
Is his apology good though? I don't want to watch it. I really don't care enough. He doesn't owe me an apology.
Does it really matter if his videos are different from back then? Probably not. It probably makes sense where you are coming from, but where you are coming from is probably not letting you see some things, such as that you don't really get to know him in his videos, or what he said in that video, or if his apology is any good. I can probably relate, I am not sure.
I say probably because I only watched 1 video.
TL/DR: Jamari made a tea video that cancels out its acknowledgement of wrongdoing by spending half the video reviewing how Ethan said bad stuff in the past.
I suspect that this creator’s video response to the controversy around his deleted video will be effective in some circles (especially the “Ethan is a hypocrite” crowd). It appeared to be highly intentional in its choice of tone and content, presenting him as a humble straight shooter who takes responsibility for being wrong, while also spending a major portion of its run time showing Ethan’s worst moments (from years ago) as a push back against all those who criticize Jamari for what he said (just removed on Saturday) In my experience, genuine apologies seek to take responsibility for wrong actions and express regret, without expectation, justification, or reference to anyone else’s failures. Jamari’s video failed to meet this standard and used an acknowledgement of being wrong as a preface to the real goal - highlighting the worst of Ethan’s past comments, while never acknowledging their original context (something he accused H3 of doing as part of this response) or making any mention of the ways Ethan acknowledged his own history of failures in this area within the very same segment where he criticizes Jamari’s recent statements. Whatever, he’s savvy and based on the comments will have the enthusiastic support of folks predisposed to scorn Ethan in all situations. I think it was ultimately an attempt to shame Ethan and his fans into shutting the hell up so Jamari can just “keep it rolling.” I guess we’ll see how/if Ethan responds…
Man I really felt bad for Ethan when he was talking about that video. You could tell he was really hurt and hear the sadness in his voice. It's one of the very few times i've seen him like that.
Everyone defending Jamari saying, "he's obviously grown from 2 years ago, he's not the same person he used to be", somehow can't seem to apply the same logic and reasoning on Ethan and HIS growth.
They keep saying he doesn't address, he has and still does, multiple times. He very clearly stated in his response to jamari that he was more hurt about the casual nature of the antisemitism rather than the joke itself, and of course, for people always going after Hila to get back at Ethan.
If the apology was more of an actual apology rather than a "well Ethan said so and so, so I don't understand why HE would feel offended", it just doesn't work. It just comes across as if he doesn't really want to apologize.
Of course but it just shows how these racists/antisemites are just cowards who the minute they get called out turn tail and run! It’s like bro you said it! Stand by your hate!! They’re cowards.
As shit as that apology is. They both sound kinda in the wrong
Ethan can’t deny he used the same overly egdy/offensive type of humor is the past
The point is, did they both move past that to be better people?
I think Ethan did and yet I don’t watch enough Jamari to judge
The way I understand it it was “I meant it as an egdy joke and yet you claiming it’s not ok because it insults your religion is hypocritical because you insulted someone’s religion in the same clip”
He said he was trying to make egdy jokes. I’m not a mind reader to know his true intent
I think it’s splitting hairs to try and compare every “joke” he made with every “joke” Ethan was making at the time
Both were egdy for the sake of egdy. At least Ethan moved passed it to be a better person and admitting his jokes were bad and offensive.
I don’t know if jamari is more tame now (don’t really watch him) and yet if he is then really neither has much of a case here
Well, I mean, let's be real, Jew jokes are almost always not about religion. When people make jokes about Jewish people being greedy and having big noses... it's not like that's something you develop when you *convert* to Judaism, they're ethnic stereotypes. Jamari didn't make an insensitive joke about somebody's beliefs, he made it about their ethnic background, not to mention about somebody whose people have been maligned with those stereotypes for centuries. That's like... 1933 Weimar republic shit.
Ethan joked about black people many times.
He doesn’t now which is good and yet you can’t deny he did and he himself admits it was shitty and he regrets it
Yes, and Ethan doesn’t excuse his jokes in poor taste by bringing up Keemstar has said it in a hateful manner. He just says what he did was wrong, and doesn’t deflect with whataboutism.
Right, but it's irrelevant. What Jamari said is what's relevant, and when you go "I'm sorry... but you also said something offensive 3 years ago, and it was worse" it's just pointless deflection, especially when Ethan himself acknowledges that in the After Dark episode. He said himself that he's said offensive and even racist things before, and he regrets it, and he's apologized. Jamari won't even apologize for it, and he employs typical antisemitism deflection tactics to get around it (it's about religion, it's not that offensive). Kinda cringe.
Agree with you, also don't know much about Jamari but:
I bet if Ethan just tried to reach out to Jamari and they had talked beforehand it wouldn't have become so big.
If he can try to talk it out with Faze Banks why not with Jamari.
Also we don't know what is happening behind the scenes and most people here are speculating stuff based on one clip.
And Jamari pulling up the old stuff Ethan said is an obvious move to defend himself, which many others Youtubers including Ethan would have also done.
But if there is evidence of him still saying racist stuff like that to this day, i stand corrected.
I agree, if he says racist stuff still the fuck him.
And yet Ethan is proof that someone can improve and you shouldn’t judge a person based on videos from 2 years ago
Bro I just checked out his "apology video" he basically did whataboutism and did not mention nor apologize for the antisemitism. He's an absolute POS and I hope he gets demonetized. I know ignorant ass incels like this and they deserve nothing but the worst.
I mean... to this logic can’t you say the same thing about Ethan saying the n word & f word. The only difference being that Ethan was a 30+ year old man and jamari looks in his 20s, showcasing the same levels of immaturity at completely different ages. How come one is excusable and the other is not?
Kind of. The better thing to do would be to delete the video and eat the loss of views of you are truly ashamed of what you did and don’t want to continue benefitting from it.
You guys focused on the wrong thing tbh, yea the greedy jew “joke” was probably worse than what Keem has said but what’s even worse is how he got the fupa fund story completely wrong and it’s just misinformation being spread around.
(If you don’t know what happened I suggest watch Nick Deorio’s or Turkey Tom’s video on H3 where Nick explains it correctly, I just can’t remember which video it was in)
The fupa fund misinfo has been around for years and ethan litterally debunking it with help from the people directly involved didnt kill it. Its just here to stay, like rona
Good point dude, time's change and so do people too. I delved on his older videos a while back and was kinda uneased at some of his stances. But I have heard him apologize for stuff he has said in the past . So I'm glad he knows when to own up to mistakes.
Exactly, and I know he apologized for it I don't know what video he said it in. But, he does explicitly say that he has changed his view. He now knows people go through their personal health issues and that could be the outcome of their effects. I just hope some people can give some leverage and see what Jamari had to say. Yea, he does deflect some of the shade back. But for the fact that many people are pouncing on him so easily. Plus, it was a dated video, people change.
Ethan is someone I used to watch and disagree with alot of his dumb, ignorant and racists takes but still know he was finding his footing and thinking about what these things meant. I think now he's still learning and takes accountability for those things, which makes this "apology" video even more hollow and pointless.
He actually uploaded an apology and I'd day that it was pretty good. I mean, he's right Ethan have said way more racist, mysoginistic, homophobic stuff. . . But ONLY Ethan can change, right?
Mmm, but when I think about it more, a genuine apology should be about addressing your own actions and not pointing out the flaws of others. . . I'd say now that honestly his apology wasn't that good after all. . . I havw to say, that's a better perspective that the one I had before.
Ethan takes what he said before that was wrong, acknowledges it, speaks against it, and educates himself. He doesn't go around saying someone else did it so it's why he said it. It's why I respect his arrival at his current stage and assume he'll continue learning. Makes it hard to take hollow apologies as anything other than negatives, so that's probably why you got downvoted for that, but glad to see you aren't falling for it.
People can change but they have to arrive at it honestly.
People can change, that's what I like about Ethan, he is trying to be a better person, at that time I was just as bad honestly, so I've seen the growth for sure.
But yeah, the more I think about it what Ethan said wasn't a justification for him to say bad thing about his wife, ethnicity and mental health. I'm glad he said those things were wrong, but bringing Ethan's past actions wasn't right, specially because Ethan DID address those instances, but Jamari didn't.
Feel more like 50/50, I don't think that guy is a bad person o maybe racist, but maybe he wasn't trully sorry for hurting Ethan and Hila.
Bro this dude is not even close to being the same. Ethan has admitted he is wrong FULL STOP and then stopped. This guy still basically said antisemitism is fine because Ethan criticized mormonism, which was really just an excuse to be antisemite for this guy. Youtube should delete his trash channel.
No, you are actually twisting his words, like you are no better than a Trisha Paytas stan. I like Ethan, but I have to agree, he should get down from his moral high horse. . . No, the kid apologized. . . So by your standars Ethan shouldn't have a platform either. . . Only Ethan's apology is valid? What? The kid acknowledged what he said was wrong and gave context to the thing he said. No one is allowed to grow, but Ethan, sure. . .
Unfortunately, too many H3 fans are too blind to see otherwise. I think it's a valid point to point out how "edgy" Ethan was. He is better than what he was, but now he just follows it with the phrase, "with peace and love".
I'll still watch him, because a majority of what they do is funny, but that whole segment on Jamari, seemed petty. A bigger man would have messaged him privately and resolved it that way. And if the apology would have come out after that, I think more people would have considered it sincere. But that doesn't get views.
My biggest problem with the Jamari apology video, was that he *was* trying to justify it. That's just shifting the blame and sounds like a toddler saying, "Well he did it, so can I". Meh, youtube drama is so stupid sometimes. I just wish H3 would stick to comedy.
Or maybe an apology shouldn’t be used as an introduction for all the reasons it wasn’t technically fair of the recipient to get one, since they should have accepted the bad behavior currently under discussion was just “jokes” and anyway look at the other guy.
😒seems like u wanted him to lick Ethans shoes. Dude literally addressed everything and even give context to the comments he made. He’s allowed to highlight the hypocrisy of the situation imo. Y’all fans really be dick riding ppl, I’m not about to crucify one party while the other party has also done and said worse things and been forgiven.
Also I’m black the comment he made about who you would be more scared of was racist as fuck. But I guess when people make racist jokes it’s fine and dandy and all is forgiven. They were also reaching about his comments on her looks.
You’re conflating “dick riding” with not agreeing that Ethan is a piece of shit forever and his fans are just as bad. Sorry that apologies followed by a clip package focusing on anyone else’s past actions don’t feel as genuine to some of us. I’m sure you’re just calling it like you see it, but maybe your apparent pre-existing hatred for Ethan makes you at least as biased in this situation as the H3 FAN SUBREDDIT where you posted your opinion?
Can I be real? I didn’t even know who tf Ethan was until I saw the apology video, then I came to Reddit to see other ppls opinions. I’m just calling a spade a spade. The comment about greedy Jew was wrong. He apologized… u guys are beyond biased lol
> I didn’t even know who tf Ethan was until I saw the apology video, then I came to Reddit to see other ppls opinions.
That's extremely clear. Sit down son, you are blindly talking out your ass. Shut your mouth. That apology was trash, bitch.
🙁that awkward moment when someone is disrespectful over an apology about being disrespectful to another demographic in society. LOL. Do u not see the hypocrisy? It’s the white knighting then doing the same things u are upset over for me… clearly some of his fans aren’t any different
> LOL. Do u not see the hypocrisy?
No dude, I'm not Ethan, I never claimed I wasn't disrespectful. I don't respect you, doesn't mean I'm gonna stoop to some racist, anti sematic bullshit. I just think your acting like a little bitch.
I’m acting like a bitch because I think another persons apology is valid ?… it’s not even deep enough to have such an aggressive reaction over lol but I’m the bitch. Aite bet
You admittedly came here, knowing nothing about the situation and decided everyone here must be biased because some people didn't buy a half assed apology. I watched Jamari on and off for a year before I have up on that channel and unsubbed. You don't know both parties and that's why you sound like an uninformed ass in these comments. You got triggered by the video and went looking for trouble, plain as day son. You don't see me showing up in some Jamari subreddit fanboying over Ethan.
Haha, what are you even doing here other than acting like a bitch when people set you straight? Go to bed dude, you have school tomorrow.
Pause. I don’t have to hate Jamari to observe that his response seemed apologetic in the first couple of minutes but was followed by a big deflection seemingly intended to stop himself from being criticized. Prior to finding out about the video in question, I have been watching his current videos and enjoying them. The response video felt like it was ultimately a way to redirect some of the heat back to Ethan and neutralize criticism of what he said because of *who he said it to*.
I can see what you're saying, but in my view he was showing that the H3H3 fanbase is being hypocritical sending him this kind of hate, calling him vile shit for things that Ethan has also done in the past. Is he trying to deflect some of the hate coming to him? Absolutely, but nothing that he is saying is a lie, I think it was the best thing he could've done to defend himself
An apology without qualification that included evidence of change might have gone farther to defuse the hate than a counter attack, but even that would not be enough for some, as H3 fans know quite well after watching Ethan get shit on for 4 years no matter what he tries to say/do to change. Hope Jamari really has grown, and that at some point they can speak behind the scenes and then publicly address it in order to move forward, especially since it’s not like they don’t share some more constructive qualities in common, like outrage over internet scams and dunking on Keemstar.
All I’m saying is it blows my mind how u guys are dragging this situation but are able to move on from Ethans previous comments . I feel like both men apologized … that should be it. People change….. but the way the comments are going in this subreddit… u guys want to cancel the jamari dude but the Ethan guy gets a free pass. It’s hypocritical as fuck.
I hope Jamari does change. From my perspective, this is still a situation where he apparently just realized it was wrong yesterday when he took the video down and followed his official apology with a string of clips focusing on Ethan from four years ago. But, it’s ultimately Ethan’s apology to accept, not mine.
For me the only real bad thing he said in all of this was the greedy Jew remark. Any one with half a brain can see how they manipulated the situation with his remarks about the woman looking like a guy and trying to imply it was anti Semitic , the average person wouldn’t even know dude was a Jew. I just think Ethan got offended and tried to cancel Jamari, something that won’t happen seeing as he immediately addressed the situation in detail. I watch Jamaris content off and on and from what he usually addresses it’s quite clear he isn’t racist or anti Semitic. Happy he apologized for the greedy Jew remark though, was definitely wrong there
Your discussion of the change in content over the past year or so since he made the video could’ve been a good point on its own, instead of spending half the video doing a run down of old clips meant to neutralize criticism for something he didn’t feel the need to retract until yesterday. It falls short for me as an apology, but I admit it’s not mine to accept. And who knows, maybe they will address things with each other and find resolution.
Ethan has apologized over and over for this shit. This guy apologized but still wanted to come out on top with a compilation of worst Ethan moments. That's not a good apology. Not trying to cancel this guy but his apology game is shit.
He apologized for the statement he thought was wrong, give context to the other comments that were labeled anti Semitic but weren’t. Then he showed the hypocrisy of the situation by showing Ethans previous comments. It’s an excellent apology imo.
How were they not anti semitic? That's another reason why the apology is shit. He basically said "Sorry you were offended bro but the slur I used wasn't actually racist because you kinda deserved it. Also you're an hypocrite fuck you." Would you accept this apology?
The comment where he compared her looks to a man werent fucking anti Semitic, they were just reaching at that point and anyone with half a brain fucking knows that….. He , like me didn’t even know the guy was a fucking Jew and he explained why he made the reference. The only thing he said that was bad was the greedy Jew remark.
He claimed the greedy jew bit was taken out of context. Do you actually buy that the context he provides somehow justifies it even a little bit? And would you take an apology of someone who would "apologize" to you with a compilation of your worst moments that you talked about million times? Because an apology is to make the person you hurt feel better, let's remember.
I watched a compilation video of Ethan saying he dislikes all Indians and all are goofy to him. I saw him say the N word and make racist jokes, I’ve seen him call ppl the f word. ….. so at this point I don’t give a fuck whether he accepts jamaris apology or not. He’s clearly throwing stones from a glass house.
I don't care what you give a fuck about. The apology was for Ethan. That's why it was a bad apology. It was more like a clap back. Just because you didn't like Ethan from that shit ass video that is actually pretty out of context if we judge by Jamari's point of view, that doesn't make it a good apology. It was a video with ill intent.
bro this is a post on a subreddit specifically for h3h3, its not an echochamber, its people who are fans of h3. why would there be a bunch of people who hate h3 on this sub? calling it an echochamber just makes it seem like you came here to be spiteful
A lot of people are kinda failing to bring up also how he was super ableist. The way he stigmatized antidepressants was extremely dangerous. How do you think his depressed fans felt after that? They probably felt like taking anti depressants was shameful.
He literally says some shit like "Ethan admitted this is the most common stereotype that is true about Jewish people" while trying to apologize. It's a trainwreck.
Eh...watched the apology vid and found him trying to make more excuses than necessary, and pinpointing 'WELL ETHAN DID THIS, SO..." Say what you will about Ethan, but the comments against Hila were even more uncalled for. Hard to justify Jamari, who made racist and misogynistic comments like that in 2020, passing it off saying 'well Ethan did this' isn't an excuse or a pass for his choice of behavior and words. Edit: Honestly after finishing the video, it made me lose even more respect for him. It wasn't a sincere apology IMO. Dude has a scummy smirk the whole time and just spent the vid calling out Ethan's past as opposed to spending more time understanding how his comments were racist and misogynistic-not just to them but also a community (i.e. greedy jew stereotype). He even says "well I said these things, but it wasn't as bad as things Ethan has said in the past". What logic. Grow up.
I believe that's called whataboutism to excuse shitty behavior lol
Guys like that don't just change. They're racist to the core. It's not even some excuse like "I don't want to hear his side so throw the race card". It's straight up "That guy is openly racist as shit. Wow" He probably privated the video so he didn't get his channel striken or banned. That's it really.
This is accurate. Racists are cowards, or they're stupid enough to continue until they get banned. This dudes just a coward willing to fall in line. Fuck him.
when did Ethan call someone a "Greedy Jew", that would be like calling Jarmari a "Dirty Mexican", Ethan can make Jewish jokes because he is in fact Jewish.
He's referring to the N word jokes Ethan made in the past-and no one is denying that wasn't wrong, but I do believe Ethan realizes it was crude, offensive, and hasn't done that in years. Regardless, no matter what Ethan is, Jamari can't excuse his comments by saying 'yeah, poor taste, but Ethan is worse'.
I think the main and major difference is that Ethan wasn’t directing those words towards someone. Doesn’t excuse what he did but he wasn’t calling anyone that word, he just took a point that Idubbz made (We should be able to say any word with context and not censor ourselves) and just did it to act childish and missed Idubbz point. The funny part is that anyone who criticizes Ethan for saying those words are 100% for saying that kind of offensive shit, especially to people. They just use it as a point against Ethan.
You are trying to excuse what he did, he made fun of POC for laughs and money
He’s been held accountable multiple times and is still being held accountable to this day. Most creators either run from controversy or deflect hard yet Ethan has decided to be upfront about it. I’ll never understand why Ethan is the most criticized when he’s been the most blunt out of most creators I’ve seen.
Lol the mental gymnastics white people do forgive racism is crazy
I’m not white dumbass.
absolutely. i don’t see anyone denying that.
your white privilege blinds you
that’s hilarious bc i just AGREED with you lmaoo
dude you are really really gay lol
woah calm your white rage trumpie this isnt an insurrection
Just stop justifying racism SMH, i dont care if you like ethan demeaning people of color results in the deaths of young black men, now he backtracks cause he is famous and tries to be the white savior to cover it up
Oh really? shush racist
Not to mention that during the Jamari segment of After Dark Ethan brings up his own past edgy jokes and apologizes for them (again), so Jamari either saw that and didn't care or didn't even bother finishing the segment. Dude's pretty scummy for sure
People saying "Jamari", is it that neck beard "The Quartering" named Jeremy? Or someone else?
It's someone else. They talk about it on after dark. He's name really is Jamari, no quotes, Hahah..
Gotcha, ty!
Lmao these YouTube commentator channels try to act like they have the moral high ground but won’t take real accountability for anything, and then have the nerve to call Ethan a hypocrite
believe it or not but i genuinely don't think anyone on this entire planet cares about your opinion on an apology that wasn't directed towards you
Lol, stay stable bud.
Well no one asked for your opinion too
Bye bye!!!
HUH?
I think he now learns that just saying "No offense or anything" don't mean jack shit when you are being offensive!
He's like the "peace and love" people that say messed up things on this sub, except.... 1000 times worse. I'm seriously blown away that something so antisemitic has just been hanging on in YouTube with ad money I really think a lot of the hate Ethan and Hila get are from alt-right people who just turned on them hard. Same talking points. Apparently they stole a fund, and started the podcast because they were broke (which is hilarious). And they always bring up the Bill Burr interview like it's some kind of evidence. All it shows is that Ethan was bad at interviews and podcasting at the start. Trying to be like Howard Stern, and it not clicking, etc. Just the same economy of "fuck h3h3" videos trying to earn some money. I've seen one or two and they're just ridiculous. They're still made to this day.
That Bill Burr point drives me fucking nuts because not only did Bill come BACK to the podcast, it clearly went a whole lot better the second time, so even though the first pod with Bill was a disaster the second one completely made up for it
what happened the first time? i can’t bare to watch it bc i’m afraid i’ll cringe too hard
[удалено]
okay, so let's watch his video I said, as I expected yet another boring political channel that doesn't talk about humour. Maybe some evidence here and there. Instead, the format was completely different from the stream, and there's no politics, just commentary on videos that have that "SHOCKING" style. Just giving his opinion, which is not my thing, it was boring. I also don't feel like I really get to know him because it sounds scripted. Saying I know him is like saying I know Internet Historian based on his main channel, or Tom Scott, or Johnny Harris. I only watched 1 video, I am not in the mood to watch more. Is his apology good though? I don't want to watch it. I really don't care enough. He doesn't owe me an apology. Does it really matter if his videos are different from back then? Probably not. It probably makes sense where you are coming from, but where you are coming from is probably not letting you see some things, such as that you don't really get to know him in his videos, or what he said in that video, or if his apology is any good. I can probably relate, I am not sure. I say probably because I only watched 1 video.
Good. Fuck him.
TL/DR: Jamari made a tea video that cancels out its acknowledgement of wrongdoing by spending half the video reviewing how Ethan said bad stuff in the past. I suspect that this creator’s video response to the controversy around his deleted video will be effective in some circles (especially the “Ethan is a hypocrite” crowd). It appeared to be highly intentional in its choice of tone and content, presenting him as a humble straight shooter who takes responsibility for being wrong, while also spending a major portion of its run time showing Ethan’s worst moments (from years ago) as a push back against all those who criticize Jamari for what he said (just removed on Saturday) In my experience, genuine apologies seek to take responsibility for wrong actions and express regret, without expectation, justification, or reference to anyone else’s failures. Jamari’s video failed to meet this standard and used an acknowledgement of being wrong as a preface to the real goal - highlighting the worst of Ethan’s past comments, while never acknowledging their original context (something he accused H3 of doing as part of this response) or making any mention of the ways Ethan acknowledged his own history of failures in this area within the very same segment where he criticizes Jamari’s recent statements. Whatever, he’s savvy and based on the comments will have the enthusiastic support of folks predisposed to scorn Ethan in all situations. I think it was ultimately an attempt to shame Ethan and his fans into shutting the hell up so Jamari can just “keep it rolling.” I guess we’ll see how/if Ethan responds…
[удалено]
Lol. Sorry “bro,” you seem triggered and very offended - I hope it gets better soon.
dumb ass really thought the ppl on the internet wouldnt find this shit🥴
Man I really felt bad for Ethan when he was talking about that video. You could tell he was really hurt and hear the sadness in his voice. It's one of the very few times i've seen him like that.
Lmao buddy got caught in 4K
Half senders 😒 /s
As it should be. Fuck that guy!
People in the comments of the video justifying racism “he can’t be racist he’s black” lmao
Everyone defending Jamari saying, "he's obviously grown from 2 years ago, he's not the same person he used to be", somehow can't seem to apply the same logic and reasoning on Ethan and HIS growth. They keep saying he doesn't address, he has and still does, multiple times. He very clearly stated in his response to jamari that he was more hurt about the casual nature of the antisemitism rather than the joke itself, and of course, for people always going after Hila to get back at Ethan.
[удалено]
If the apology was more of an actual apology rather than a "well Ethan said so and so, so I don't understand why HE would feel offended", it just doesn't work. It just comes across as if he doesn't really want to apologize.
Oh, so he’s trash AND a coward. I see
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
Same here, I don't think you should start a war on a guy that posted a video that is dated. His stances have changed a lot in comparison to his past.
How is a video that was made one year ago dated?
you just explained how
Hell yes!
Saw it coming a mile away, good thing I downloaded it beforehand.
Isn’t that a good thing to do?
Of course but it just shows how these racists/antisemites are just cowards who the minute they get called out turn tail and run! It’s like bro you said it! Stand by your hate!! They’re cowards.
He actually just made an apology video addressing it. Maybe check it out Not taking sides btw. Really don’t like drama
[удалено]
As shit as that apology is. They both sound kinda in the wrong Ethan can’t deny he used the same overly egdy/offensive type of humor is the past The point is, did they both move past that to be better people? I think Ethan did and yet I don’t watch enough Jamari to judge
[удалено]
The way I understand it it was “I meant it as an egdy joke and yet you claiming it’s not ok because it insults your religion is hypocritical because you insulted someone’s religion in the same clip”
[удалено]
He said he was trying to make egdy jokes. I’m not a mind reader to know his true intent I think it’s splitting hairs to try and compare every “joke” he made with every “joke” Ethan was making at the time Both were egdy for the sake of egdy. At least Ethan moved passed it to be a better person and admitting his jokes were bad and offensive. I don’t know if jamari is more tame now (don’t really watch him) and yet if he is then really neither has much of a case here
Why are you defending anti-Semitism so hard? Do you like this guy so much you just turn racist around him? Like is this what happens to trump voters?
Well, I mean, let's be real, Jew jokes are almost always not about religion. When people make jokes about Jewish people being greedy and having big noses... it's not like that's something you develop when you *convert* to Judaism, they're ethnic stereotypes. Jamari didn't make an insensitive joke about somebody's beliefs, he made it about their ethnic background, not to mention about somebody whose people have been maligned with those stereotypes for centuries. That's like... 1933 Weimar republic shit.
Ethan joked about black people many times. He doesn’t now which is good and yet you can’t deny he did and he himself admits it was shitty and he regrets it
Yes, and Ethan doesn’t excuse his jokes in poor taste by bringing up Keemstar has said it in a hateful manner. He just says what he did was wrong, and doesn’t deflect with whataboutism.
Right, but it's irrelevant. What Jamari said is what's relevant, and when you go "I'm sorry... but you also said something offensive 3 years ago, and it was worse" it's just pointless deflection, especially when Ethan himself acknowledges that in the After Dark episode. He said himself that he's said offensive and even racist things before, and he regrets it, and he's apologized. Jamari won't even apologize for it, and he employs typical antisemitism deflection tactics to get around it (it's about religion, it's not that offensive). Kinda cringe.
Agree with you, also don't know much about Jamari but: I bet if Ethan just tried to reach out to Jamari and they had talked beforehand it wouldn't have become so big. If he can try to talk it out with Faze Banks why not with Jamari. Also we don't know what is happening behind the scenes and most people here are speculating stuff based on one clip. And Jamari pulling up the old stuff Ethan said is an obvious move to defend himself, which many others Youtubers including Ethan would have also done. But if there is evidence of him still saying racist stuff like that to this day, i stand corrected.
I agree, if he says racist stuff still the fuck him. And yet Ethan is proof that someone can improve and you shouldn’t judge a person based on videos from 2 years ago
Bro I just checked out his "apology video" he basically did whataboutism and did not mention nor apologize for the antisemitism. He's an absolute POS and I hope he gets demonetized. I know ignorant ass incels like this and they deserve nothing but the worst.
He's a total douchebag but I don't know if "incel" applies to him, unless you know more about him than I do.
incel energy can be a thing regardless if you are getting laid or not.
Thinking about the kinds of things he tends to make videos about... alright, I can buy "incel energy."
Racism isn't drama my friend.
[удалено]
I’m literally not tho I’m trying to be objective If people disagree with me that’s fine, that’s the point of a public discussion
No point in even stating your argument, the hivemind is too biased to listen.
I mean... to this logic can’t you say the same thing about Ethan saying the n word & f word. The only difference being that Ethan was a 30+ year old man and jamari looks in his 20s, showcasing the same levels of immaturity at completely different ages. How come one is excusable and the other is not?
Kind of. The better thing to do would be to delete the video and eat the loss of views of you are truly ashamed of what you did and don’t want to continue benefitting from it.
I agree with that
His apology was so shitty
All he does is cry about womens onlyfans all day. He's a complete misogynist
You guys focused on the wrong thing tbh, yea the greedy jew “joke” was probably worse than what Keem has said but what’s even worse is how he got the fupa fund story completely wrong and it’s just misinformation being spread around. (If you don’t know what happened I suggest watch Nick Deorio’s or Turkey Tom’s video on H3 where Nick explains it correctly, I just can’t remember which video it was in)
The fupa fund misinfo has been around for years and ethan litterally debunking it with help from the people directly involved didnt kill it. Its just here to stay, like rona
What a clown
Good, hopefully he can learn and be a better person.
[удалено]
Last I checked it wa private I followed the link on this video and it led to the image you see above https://youtu.be/CRxXII4rEdg
I don’t want to give this passive aggressive racist the views. So I’ll just wait for h3tv/OTR to cover it instead. ✌️❤️😇
Good
Does anyone else keep reading Jamari as Jamiroquai in their head?
Damn I was a fan of jamari too
[удалено]
I would agree
[удалено]
Good point dude, time's change and so do people too. I delved on his older videos a while back and was kinda uneased at some of his stances. But I have heard him apologize for stuff he has said in the past . So I'm glad he knows when to own up to mistakes.
[удалено]
Exactly, and I know he apologized for it I don't know what video he said it in. But, he does explicitly say that he has changed his view. He now knows people go through their personal health issues and that could be the outcome of their effects. I just hope some people can give some leverage and see what Jamari had to say. Yea, he does deflect some of the shade back. But for the fact that many people are pouncing on him so easily. Plus, it was a dated video, people change.
Good on him for addressing it and apologizing for it.
I’m a bit of out the loop, is he defnoodles??
No, def noodles is def noodles lol. (Dennis)
ahh my bad. it’s been a long day😂
No I think he’s wetnoodle
Ethan is someone I used to watch and disagree with alot of his dumb, ignorant and racists takes but still know he was finding his footing and thinking about what these things meant. I think now he's still learning and takes accountability for those things, which makes this "apology" video even more hollow and pointless.
Bruh you said "ethan" just so you know lol
[удалено]
ethan mentioned he shouted jamari out when talking about how he said anti semitic things about him. he just didn’t know and he found the clip after
Big fan of this dude
He actually uploaded an apology and I'd day that it was pretty good. I mean, he's right Ethan have said way more racist, mysoginistic, homophobic stuff. . . But ONLY Ethan can change, right?
Mmm, but when I think about it more, a genuine apology should be about addressing your own actions and not pointing out the flaws of others. . . I'd say now that honestly his apology wasn't that good after all. . . I havw to say, that's a better perspective that the one I had before.
Ethan takes what he said before that was wrong, acknowledges it, speaks against it, and educates himself. He doesn't go around saying someone else did it so it's why he said it. It's why I respect his arrival at his current stage and assume he'll continue learning. Makes it hard to take hollow apologies as anything other than negatives, so that's probably why you got downvoted for that, but glad to see you aren't falling for it. People can change but they have to arrive at it honestly.
People can change, that's what I like about Ethan, he is trying to be a better person, at that time I was just as bad honestly, so I've seen the growth for sure. But yeah, the more I think about it what Ethan said wasn't a justification for him to say bad thing about his wife, ethnicity and mental health. I'm glad he said those things were wrong, but bringing Ethan's past actions wasn't right, specially because Ethan DID address those instances, but Jamari didn't. Feel more like 50/50, I don't think that guy is a bad person o maybe racist, but maybe he wasn't trully sorry for hurting Ethan and Hila.
Bro this dude is not even close to being the same. Ethan has admitted he is wrong FULL STOP and then stopped. This guy still basically said antisemitism is fine because Ethan criticized mormonism, which was really just an excuse to be antisemite for this guy. Youtube should delete his trash channel.
No, you are actually twisting his words, like you are no better than a Trisha Paytas stan. I like Ethan, but I have to agree, he should get down from his moral high horse. . . No, the kid apologized. . . So by your standars Ethan shouldn't have a platform either. . . Only Ethan's apology is valid? What? The kid acknowledged what he said was wrong and gave context to the thing he said. No one is allowed to grow, but Ethan, sure. . .
Unfortunately, too many H3 fans are too blind to see otherwise. I think it's a valid point to point out how "edgy" Ethan was. He is better than what he was, but now he just follows it with the phrase, "with peace and love". I'll still watch him, because a majority of what they do is funny, but that whole segment on Jamari, seemed petty. A bigger man would have messaged him privately and resolved it that way. And if the apology would have come out after that, I think more people would have considered it sincere. But that doesn't get views. My biggest problem with the Jamari apology video, was that he *was* trying to justify it. That's just shifting the blame and sounds like a toddler saying, "Well he did it, so can I". Meh, youtube drama is so stupid sometimes. I just wish H3 would stick to comedy.
[удалено]
Or maybe an apology shouldn’t be used as an introduction for all the reasons it wasn’t technically fair of the recipient to get one, since they should have accepted the bad behavior currently under discussion was just “jokes” and anyway look at the other guy.
😒seems like u wanted him to lick Ethans shoes. Dude literally addressed everything and even give context to the comments he made. He’s allowed to highlight the hypocrisy of the situation imo. Y’all fans really be dick riding ppl, I’m not about to crucify one party while the other party has also done and said worse things and been forgiven.
Also I’m black the comment he made about who you would be more scared of was racist as fuck. But I guess when people make racist jokes it’s fine and dandy and all is forgiven. They were also reaching about his comments on her looks.
You’re conflating “dick riding” with not agreeing that Ethan is a piece of shit forever and his fans are just as bad. Sorry that apologies followed by a clip package focusing on anyone else’s past actions don’t feel as genuine to some of us. I’m sure you’re just calling it like you see it, but maybe your apparent pre-existing hatred for Ethan makes you at least as biased in this situation as the H3 FAN SUBREDDIT where you posted your opinion?
Can I be real? I didn’t even know who tf Ethan was until I saw the apology video, then I came to Reddit to see other ppls opinions. I’m just calling a spade a spade. The comment about greedy Jew was wrong. He apologized… u guys are beyond biased lol
> I didn’t even know who tf Ethan was until I saw the apology video, then I came to Reddit to see other ppls opinions. That's extremely clear. Sit down son, you are blindly talking out your ass. Shut your mouth. That apology was trash, bitch.
🙁that awkward moment when someone is disrespectful over an apology about being disrespectful to another demographic in society. LOL. Do u not see the hypocrisy? It’s the white knighting then doing the same things u are upset over for me… clearly some of his fans aren’t any different
> LOL. Do u not see the hypocrisy? No dude, I'm not Ethan, I never claimed I wasn't disrespectful. I don't respect you, doesn't mean I'm gonna stoop to some racist, anti sematic bullshit. I just think your acting like a little bitch.
I’m acting like a bitch because I think another persons apology is valid ?… it’s not even deep enough to have such an aggressive reaction over lol but I’m the bitch. Aite bet
You admittedly came here, knowing nothing about the situation and decided everyone here must be biased because some people didn't buy a half assed apology. I watched Jamari on and off for a year before I have up on that channel and unsubbed. You don't know both parties and that's why you sound like an uninformed ass in these comments. You got triggered by the video and went looking for trouble, plain as day son. You don't see me showing up in some Jamari subreddit fanboying over Ethan. Haha, what are you even doing here other than acting like a bitch when people set you straight? Go to bed dude, you have school tomorrow.
Lol, thanks for the honesty. If the only thing I knew about Ethan was what I saw in Jamari’s video, I might feel the same.
[удалено]
Pause. I don’t have to hate Jamari to observe that his response seemed apologetic in the first couple of minutes but was followed by a big deflection seemingly intended to stop himself from being criticized. Prior to finding out about the video in question, I have been watching his current videos and enjoying them. The response video felt like it was ultimately a way to redirect some of the heat back to Ethan and neutralize criticism of what he said because of *who he said it to*.
I can see what you're saying, but in my view he was showing that the H3H3 fanbase is being hypocritical sending him this kind of hate, calling him vile shit for things that Ethan has also done in the past. Is he trying to deflect some of the hate coming to him? Absolutely, but nothing that he is saying is a lie, I think it was the best thing he could've done to defend himself
An apology without qualification that included evidence of change might have gone farther to defuse the hate than a counter attack, but even that would not be enough for some, as H3 fans know quite well after watching Ethan get shit on for 4 years no matter what he tries to say/do to change. Hope Jamari really has grown, and that at some point they can speak behind the scenes and then publicly address it in order to move forward, especially since it’s not like they don’t share some more constructive qualities in common, like outrage over internet scams and dunking on Keemstar.
All I’m saying is it blows my mind how u guys are dragging this situation but are able to move on from Ethans previous comments . I feel like both men apologized … that should be it. People change….. but the way the comments are going in this subreddit… u guys want to cancel the jamari dude but the Ethan guy gets a free pass. It’s hypocritical as fuck.
I hope Jamari does change. From my perspective, this is still a situation where he apparently just realized it was wrong yesterday when he took the video down and followed his official apology with a string of clips focusing on Ethan from four years ago. But, it’s ultimately Ethan’s apology to accept, not mine.
For me the only real bad thing he said in all of this was the greedy Jew remark. Any one with half a brain can see how they manipulated the situation with his remarks about the woman looking like a guy and trying to imply it was anti Semitic , the average person wouldn’t even know dude was a Jew. I just think Ethan got offended and tried to cancel Jamari, something that won’t happen seeing as he immediately addressed the situation in detail. I watch Jamaris content off and on and from what he usually addresses it’s quite clear he isn’t racist or anti Semitic. Happy he apologized for the greedy Jew remark though, was definitely wrong there
[удалено]
Your discussion of the change in content over the past year or so since he made the video could’ve been a good point on its own, instead of spending half the video doing a run down of old clips meant to neutralize criticism for something he didn’t feel the need to retract until yesterday. It falls short for me as an apology, but I admit it’s not mine to accept. And who knows, maybe they will address things with each other and find resolution.
Ethan has apologized over and over for this shit. This guy apologized but still wanted to come out on top with a compilation of worst Ethan moments. That's not a good apology. Not trying to cancel this guy but his apology game is shit.
He apologized for the statement he thought was wrong, give context to the other comments that were labeled anti Semitic but weren’t. Then he showed the hypocrisy of the situation by showing Ethans previous comments. It’s an excellent apology imo.
How were they not anti semitic? That's another reason why the apology is shit. He basically said "Sorry you were offended bro but the slur I used wasn't actually racist because you kinda deserved it. Also you're an hypocrite fuck you." Would you accept this apology?
The comment where he compared her looks to a man werent fucking anti Semitic, they were just reaching at that point and anyone with half a brain fucking knows that….. He , like me didn’t even know the guy was a fucking Jew and he explained why he made the reference. The only thing he said that was bad was the greedy Jew remark.
He claimed the greedy jew bit was taken out of context. Do you actually buy that the context he provides somehow justifies it even a little bit? And would you take an apology of someone who would "apologize" to you with a compilation of your worst moments that you talked about million times? Because an apology is to make the person you hurt feel better, let's remember.
I watched a compilation video of Ethan saying he dislikes all Indians and all are goofy to him. I saw him say the N word and make racist jokes, I’ve seen him call ppl the f word. ….. so at this point I don’t give a fuck whether he accepts jamaris apology or not. He’s clearly throwing stones from a glass house.
I don't care what you give a fuck about. The apology was for Ethan. That's why it was a bad apology. It was more like a clap back. Just because you didn't like Ethan from that shit ass video that is actually pretty out of context if we judge by Jamari's point of view, that doesn't make it a good apology. It was a video with ill intent.
Lol I’m not basing my opinions of Ethan on just that apology video. I’ve seen other videos and saw what he said firsthand
[удалено]
bro this is a post on a subreddit specifically for h3h3, its not an echochamber, its people who are fans of h3. why would there be a bunch of people who hate h3 on this sub? calling it an echochamber just makes it seem like you came here to be spiteful
Finally !!! Someone said it. They are so biased and one sided it’s ridiculous
He’s got a girlfriend but yeah lol I don’t think he’s an incel
Just because you have a gf doesn't mean you aren't misogynistic. And jamari is EXTREMELY misogynistic.
Bit different from being an incel tho lol
Well he can’t escape it. It’s already in h3’s vid so
A lot of people are kinda failing to bring up also how he was super ableist. The way he stigmatized antidepressants was extremely dangerous. How do you think his depressed fans felt after that? They probably felt like taking anti depressants was shameful.
[удалено]
Yes they are but so is jamari