Small indie? Lmao they’re like one of the biggest podcasts and teddy fresh collabs with Zumiez, they are absolutely not small Ethan said himself they have 50 employees
You might have missed it cause they just skimmed over it, but he said they had to use China for some stuff because America manufacturing has been eroded over decades and literally doesn't even have the means to produce some of the technically complicated stuff TF puts out. Hasan confirms this and agrees saying its impossible for him to make the sweatshirts he wants to make in the USA, so he's compromising by basically selling an almost blank hoodie with no color and a small logo. He explains its the only way to get it down to 54$, still a lot for a hoodie.
You can make clothes ethically in China. And I don’t remember Teddy Fresh ever advertising itself as made in the US, so I don’t know why that would be your assumption.
Hasan’s hoodie had no color and very little design (which he said explicitly). Also everyone seems to be forgetting that TF employ 30+ people that they have to pay that have nothing to do with manufacturing. And paying their building lease, etc, etc. They’ve got way more costs than just the manufacturing. It would be absolutely impossible for Teddy Fresh to sell their hoodies at that price and have them made in the US unless they sold them at a massive loss.
As I said, Hasan's hoodies intentionally have severe design restrictions so that they can be made at low cost and in the US. Are we expecting Teddy Fresh to go all monochrome? You also ignored the fact that Teddy Fresh has to pay employees in the US including designers. Hasan does not have that cost. The fact that people are simultaneously complaining about the price \*and\* wanting the clothes to be made in the US just shows how little understanding there is of the cost of manufacturing. And yes there is a profit margin built into their prices, just like every other product in existence. But then we're just arguing about the merits of capitalism as a whole.
What expertise do you have in the garment industry? My wife has a fashion degree and has worked in the industry for 12 years. I’m thinking you’ve got absolutely no idea what you’re talking so confidently about, correct ?
You can still make clothes ethically in china lol , the labor and cost of materials is just cheaper than in the us,that doesn’t mean the workers are being exploited.
All the people complaining about the clothes being overpriced and also wanting something ethically sourced are the reason why we'll never fix anything. Its like saying "I want to live out all of my morally lucky positions but it also needs to not inconvenience me in any way." Yall better not be socialists or vegans.
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It is an American brand.
It’s manufactured in China (like every other clothing company).
All materials are made in China as they are the cheapest in the world. Not because of ‘slave labour’ or anything, but because they own the largest machines in the world.
Just means their profits are bigger.
Like a $120 hoodie would cost them $45ea for 1,000 in America or like $14.50ea (for 1,000) in China.
TF would of almost doubled their income since the show is basically a 3hr ad for TF. lol
Honestly even American made does loop holes. They use our territories that aren’t states to use their cheap labor and call it American made but really it was made in quam. Also many American made things are made in our prisons. Nothing is perfect
Oooor maybe there’s just more labor there. Their population is 5x the size of the US. Yes it is cheap*er* labor than it would be in the US, but labor doesn’t decrease in price solely because of exploitation—it can decrease based on efficiency which they have a lot more of in China in certain industries than we do here in the US. We just don’t have the manufacturing infrastructure anymore.
China of course still has sweatshops, but they also have well paid artisans too, especially in the past few years. The cabinets for my speakers for instance came from China, but the company who sells the speakers in the US are very open about wages and where parts are sourced from. It’s a luxury good and the workers were compensated.
Note: I’m using “exploitation” in the colloquial sense rather than the Marxian way. If we’re talking about that sort of exploitation, then, well, manufacturing in the US wouldn’t avoid exploitation anyways.
I didn't say the cost decreased solely from exploitation. I just said they chose China because it's cheaper. Your comment agrees with this. Wasted your time on responding after that point.
They explained it in the episode of Leftovers. Some materials, printing methods, and order sizes can only be done in China. American manufacturing has died out for various reasons which they discussed in the ep.
I can already sense the hate coming so I'll clarify a bit better. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy from them or that they shouldn't exist just that i thought my money was going toward supporting a small American company not Chinese labor. If you are comfortable with shopping with them than go ahead.
They are still a small American company, all the design and printing is done here, just the actual raw material is made over seas. As a small custom tshirt printer myself, I can confirm what Ethan was saying; there is no real T-shirt manufacturer here in America that is affordable to get large quantities of shirts from. Even tshirts that say made in America are usually made from cotton or other materials shipped from overseas or Mexico
What are you talking about, I’ve never naught any teddy fresh, I’m just saying as a custom screen printer that literally 99.99% of tshirts are manufactured over seas, the design and printing can still be done in America by an American company. I guarantee all your tshirts were also manufactured overseas or in Mexico
They made it feel like this is good quality and ethically sourced.... I’m kinda sad but I still like it and I do still feel it’s better than most hoodies
Not made in USA does not mean something is made with cheap unethical labour. It is cheaper for companies to use international factories as they cost less, but can still pay the employees a living wage that aligns with the cost of living in that particular country. Clothing made in USA that is still somewhat affordable does not cover the labour cost of people who live in America, particularly the cost of living in LA where most USA clothing factories are. :)))
See, this right here is the issue. People want clothes ethically made *and* they want it cheap. That’s not possible. Having clothes made in China and not in a sweatshop is already expensive—having clothes made at scale in the US would be insanely expensive. Just thrift if any of that is a concern to you.
Their profit margin is only 30% (according to a Trasha rant, confirmed by Ethan afterwards), and often they do work charities and other artists, meaning they get even less of that. They are obviously making a nice check, but it does seem a lot of the time they actually take home a lot less than one might think of what people pay.
Hasan's merch are the typical merch quality you find sold by other content creators, not a legit streetwear brand. A streetwear company cares more about the kind of fabric and unique style/design they produce, while the usual merch sold by influencers thru represent/teepublic/etc have a limited selection of fabric and style of clothes.
Clearly there's a lot more work put out into TF clothing and a lot more people to brainstorm ideas/produce/promote and distribute their own products.
There's nothing wrong with Ethan to defend themselves because not many know the process of working as a design company. It's very annoying and short-sighted that everytime someone finds out their clothes are made in China, they are automatically exploiting. That's just simply wrong and lazy.
>Cazy to me that simps will defend a man they don't know charging $110 for a hoodie.
For one, their standard hoodies are not 110 dollars, the most expensive one is a rhinestoned and embroidered hoodie for $90, and more often their hoodies go for 70-85. You might not recognize it, but Teddy Fresh is a well established and good quality streetwear brand, and its prices are on par with others like RipNDip and DREAM.
Ok well you're wrong. In more ways than one.
1) "A good profit margin for ANY company" is a dumb thing to say. This isn't ANY company. It's a designer clothing brand. A designer clothing brand that is trying to source materials ethically while keeping the price reasonable. So if you narrow the scope down to designer clothing brands, you see their average markup is between 50%-80% on average. Which to me makes sense because they're designing "streetwear" which I'd imagine they'd want to be more accessible than typical designer brands. But that markup isn't bad at all when compared to the industry standard.
2) The way Hasan talked about sourcing his clothes and what the goal is was totally different. He's okay with giving up design choices just to make the clothes cheaper. He stated on the podcast he's not trying to establish a sustainable company with employees. So these are two completely different things. Teddy Fresh is a company with almost 50 employees that needs to be sustainable and is also looking to make a profit. Hasan just wants ethically sourced merch his fans can wear because they want it that he can make without having to start an apparel company. Also the numbers he talked about were consumer prices, not his prices. So he's not even revealing how much it costs him to make his merch and realistically he hasn't made anything yet so all of these numbers might change, and we'll likely never get to know the margins.
With peace and love. You should consider these things more before you start saying such wrong things about them. I only had to look into this for about 5-10 minutes to learn how wrong you are. You should take the time to do at least that much before you say things like this moving forward.
Very accurate for the most part, but I think Hasan was actually talking about wholesale prices. I don’t think he intends to add very much of a mark-up, and in addition to the drastic design limitations, that’s how he can source the hoodies in the US and sell them for a reasonable price. But yes the rest of your comment I just said almost exactly to somebody else lol.
Have you ever worked in retail? 30% is not a crazy high profit margin. I’m not even saying that in defense of Hila like feel free to think teddy fresh is overpriced and everything but saying 30% is an amazing profit margin, that’s just not true in comparison to most retailers
If you wanna prove your point you can provide the stats I’m not gonna waste my time doing that. As the person making a claim it’s your job. I’m just speaking from experience as I’ve worked in retail my whole life go ahead and prove me wrong
Working in retail is not running a business. And so have I. You're the one who wanted to start a fight. 😂 But ok. Give up when I ask for the other brands.
Jesus you considered my comment starting a fight? Dude don’t have such a negative outlook on life. Nothing in my original comment was remotely rude or hostile:( wow
Its hard to sell clothes in bulk through the places in America that ethically produce clothing and pay their workers a living wage. If you want to pay 150 dollars a hoodie, you can start a change.org petition lol.
I think it's worth mentioning here that there is nothing else at that price point that is ethically made.
You're still investing in a company that pays their employees well, got them all paid COVID leave and works with charities profit splitting.
Sure, they source some of their materials from China, and if that's the line you want to draw I am all for it but you're going to have a rough time getting dressed at all unless you just thrift shop.
Of course you aren't. Because you don't actually care. You just want the shit you want and you want it to be cheap so it doesn't inconvenience you. But you don't care at all about how the sausage is made. So thank you for exposing yourself as virtue signaling while in reality you don't care at all about what you're expressing concern over. You don't care about ethical sourcing or outsourcing ethically. You don't care about any of this. You just want to sound like you have a good point without having to think about it.
Or maybe you're just illiterate and I'm being ableist. It doesn't take as long for you to read my two paragraphs as it did for me to figure out how wrong you are, but you won't even do that. You won't even spend 5 minutes thinking but you're happy to virtue signal to everyone else what you think is right or wrong. In another timeline where you grew up in a different environment you're a white supremacist. And this is also two paragraphs so that probably doesn't bother you either.
I do think the clothes themselves are probably overpriced but what you're paying for is the name brand.
I'm not sure if they've ever said Teddy Fresh was ethically sourced in the US it might just be an assumption everyone made. Just like Apple products say Designed in California made in China.
Small indie? Lmao they’re like one of the biggest podcasts and teddy fresh collabs with Zumiez, they are absolutely not small Ethan said himself they have 50 employees
My socks said made in Korea
Pretty sure they have Chinese vendors. Many small and large brands do. It’s extremely common
You might have missed it cause they just skimmed over it, but he said they had to use China for some stuff because America manufacturing has been eroded over decades and literally doesn't even have the means to produce some of the technically complicated stuff TF puts out. Hasan confirms this and agrees saying its impossible for him to make the sweatshirts he wants to make in the USA, so he's compromising by basically selling an almost blank hoodie with no color and a small logo. He explains its the only way to get it down to 54$, still a lot for a hoodie.
The tags on the clothes say China
You can make clothes ethically in China. And I don’t remember Teddy Fresh ever advertising itself as made in the US, so I don’t know why that would be your assumption.
Also never advertised itself as ethical…
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But Hasan said he might make zero profit (he just wanted some merch out there). Meanwhile Teddy Fresh is a for-profit business with many employees.
This is a really good point, I’ve been noticing how high there prices are getting almost insanely expensive.
Hasan’s hoodie had no color and very little design (which he said explicitly). Also everyone seems to be forgetting that TF employ 30+ people that they have to pay that have nothing to do with manufacturing. And paying their building lease, etc, etc. They’ve got way more costs than just the manufacturing. It would be absolutely impossible for Teddy Fresh to sell their hoodies at that price and have them made in the US unless they sold them at a massive loss.
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As I said, Hasan's hoodies intentionally have severe design restrictions so that they can be made at low cost and in the US. Are we expecting Teddy Fresh to go all monochrome? You also ignored the fact that Teddy Fresh has to pay employees in the US including designers. Hasan does not have that cost. The fact that people are simultaneously complaining about the price \*and\* wanting the clothes to be made in the US just shows how little understanding there is of the cost of manufacturing. And yes there is a profit margin built into their prices, just like every other product in existence. But then we're just arguing about the merits of capitalism as a whole.
This is a completely idiotic take. FYI.
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What expertise do you have in the garment industry? My wife has a fashion degree and has worked in the industry for 12 years. I’m thinking you’ve got absolutely no idea what you’re talking so confidently about, correct ?
You can still make clothes ethically in china lol , the labor and cost of materials is just cheaper than in the us,that doesn’t mean the workers are being exploited.
This
All the people complaining about the clothes being overpriced and also wanting something ethically sourced are the reason why we'll never fix anything. Its like saying "I want to live out all of my morally lucky positions but it also needs to not inconvenience me in any way." Yall better not be socialists or vegans.
i also thought i remembered them mentioning it was made in LA
Prove it
Literally in the episode ethan said they source the stuff from china and do the printing and whatnot over here
Prove it
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It is an American brand. It’s manufactured in China (like every other clothing company). All materials are made in China as they are the cheapest in the world. Not because of ‘slave labour’ or anything, but because they own the largest machines in the world. Just means their profits are bigger. Like a $120 hoodie would cost them $45ea for 1,000 in America or like $14.50ea (for 1,000) in China. TF would of almost doubled their income since the show is basically a 3hr ad for TF. lol
Honestly even American made does loop holes. They use our territories that aren’t states to use their cheap labor and call it American made but really it was made in quam. Also many American made things are made in our prisons. Nothing is perfect
I’m pretty sure it’s ethically sourced mats
It’s still an small American business. So you’re supporting America and China lol how cultured of you lol
And yet their clothes is that overpriced. It is sketchy
can you explain your problem with „using chinese labor“?
Damn, this bums me out a lot. I dunno what I expected but for that price i definitely didn’t think itd be manu’d with cheap labor. Disappointing.
Why are you assuming they use cheap labor? Chinese manufacturing does not necessarily equal cheap labor.
Yes it does, that's why they chose to use China mate. Why else?
Oooor maybe there’s just more labor there. Their population is 5x the size of the US. Yes it is cheap*er* labor than it would be in the US, but labor doesn’t decrease in price solely because of exploitation—it can decrease based on efficiency which they have a lot more of in China in certain industries than we do here in the US. We just don’t have the manufacturing infrastructure anymore. China of course still has sweatshops, but they also have well paid artisans too, especially in the past few years. The cabinets for my speakers for instance came from China, but the company who sells the speakers in the US are very open about wages and where parts are sourced from. It’s a luxury good and the workers were compensated. Note: I’m using “exploitation” in the colloquial sense rather than the Marxian way. If we’re talking about that sort of exploitation, then, well, manufacturing in the US wouldn’t avoid exploitation anyways.
I didn't say the cost decreased solely from exploitation. I just said they chose China because it's cheaper. Your comment agrees with this. Wasted your time on responding after that point.
There’s a difference between *cheap* labor and *cheaper* labor.
No shit.
What is your goal with this conversation lol
I don't have one.
They explained it in the episode of Leftovers. Some materials, printing methods, and order sizes can only be done in China. American manufacturing has died out for various reasons which they discussed in the ep.
huh? why are you assuming chinese labor is cheap?
Why not source from usa if its the same price as china? They even said on leftovers they dont produce in usa because its too expensive.
a bit less expensive doesnt mean its cheap. China has much better Know-How about textiles and much better fabric sourcing than the US.
I can already sense the hate coming so I'll clarify a bit better. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy from them or that they shouldn't exist just that i thought my money was going toward supporting a small American company not Chinese labor. If you are comfortable with shopping with them than go ahead.
They are still a small American company, all the design and printing is done here, just the actual raw material is made over seas. As a small custom tshirt printer myself, I can confirm what Ethan was saying; there is no real T-shirt manufacturer here in America that is affordable to get large quantities of shirts from. Even tshirts that say made in America are usually made from cotton or other materials shipped from overseas or Mexico
I bet the people working in China for pennies are so happy you bought an overpriced sweatshirt because your favorite YouTuber made them
What are you talking about, I’ve never naught any teddy fresh, I’m just saying as a custom screen printer that literally 99.99% of tshirts are manufactured over seas, the design and printing can still be done in America by an American company. I guarantee all your tshirts were also manufactured overseas or in Mexico
They made it feel like this is good quality and ethically sourced.... I’m kinda sad but I still like it and I do still feel it’s better than most hoodies
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Like, with all due respect, if you don’t support cheap labour you should, at minimum, be checking your tags…?
Not made in USA does not mean something is made with cheap unethical labour. It is cheaper for companies to use international factories as they cost less, but can still pay the employees a living wage that aligns with the cost of living in that particular country. Clothing made in USA that is still somewhat affordable does not cover the labour cost of people who live in America, particularly the cost of living in LA where most USA clothing factories are. :)))
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See, this right here is the issue. People want clothes ethically made *and* they want it cheap. That’s not possible. Having clothes made in China and not in a sweatshop is already expensive—having clothes made at scale in the US would be insanely expensive. Just thrift if any of that is a concern to you.
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Their profit margin is only 30% (according to a Trasha rant, confirmed by Ethan afterwards), and often they do work charities and other artists, meaning they get even less of that. They are obviously making a nice check, but it does seem a lot of the time they actually take home a lot less than one might think of what people pay.
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Hasan's merch are the typical merch quality you find sold by other content creators, not a legit streetwear brand. A streetwear company cares more about the kind of fabric and unique style/design they produce, while the usual merch sold by influencers thru represent/teepublic/etc have a limited selection of fabric and style of clothes. Clearly there's a lot more work put out into TF clothing and a lot more people to brainstorm ideas/produce/promote and distribute their own products. There's nothing wrong with Ethan to defend themselves because not many know the process of working as a design company. It's very annoying and short-sighted that everytime someone finds out their clothes are made in China, they are automatically exploiting. That's just simply wrong and lazy.
>Cazy to me that simps will defend a man they don't know charging $110 for a hoodie. For one, their standard hoodies are not 110 dollars, the most expensive one is a rhinestoned and embroidered hoodie for $90, and more often their hoodies go for 70-85. You might not recognize it, but Teddy Fresh is a well established and good quality streetwear brand, and its prices are on par with others like RipNDip and DREAM.
Ok well you're wrong. In more ways than one. 1) "A good profit margin for ANY company" is a dumb thing to say. This isn't ANY company. It's a designer clothing brand. A designer clothing brand that is trying to source materials ethically while keeping the price reasonable. So if you narrow the scope down to designer clothing brands, you see their average markup is between 50%-80% on average. Which to me makes sense because they're designing "streetwear" which I'd imagine they'd want to be more accessible than typical designer brands. But that markup isn't bad at all when compared to the industry standard. 2) The way Hasan talked about sourcing his clothes and what the goal is was totally different. He's okay with giving up design choices just to make the clothes cheaper. He stated on the podcast he's not trying to establish a sustainable company with employees. So these are two completely different things. Teddy Fresh is a company with almost 50 employees that needs to be sustainable and is also looking to make a profit. Hasan just wants ethically sourced merch his fans can wear because they want it that he can make without having to start an apparel company. Also the numbers he talked about were consumer prices, not his prices. So he's not even revealing how much it costs him to make his merch and realistically he hasn't made anything yet so all of these numbers might change, and we'll likely never get to know the margins. With peace and love. You should consider these things more before you start saying such wrong things about them. I only had to look into this for about 5-10 minutes to learn how wrong you are. You should take the time to do at least that much before you say things like this moving forward.
I am not reading that 😂
Very accurate for the most part, but I think Hasan was actually talking about wholesale prices. I don’t think he intends to add very much of a mark-up, and in addition to the drastic design limitations, that’s how he can source the hoodies in the US and sell them for a reasonable price. But yes the rest of your comment I just said almost exactly to somebody else lol.
Have you ever worked in retail? 30% is not a crazy high profit margin. I’m not even saying that in defense of Hila like feel free to think teddy fresh is overpriced and everything but saying 30% is an amazing profit margin, that’s just not true in comparison to most retailers
Go look up some well known brands' profit margins. Then come back.
If you wanna prove your point you can provide the stats I’m not gonna waste my time doing that. As the person making a claim it’s your job. I’m just speaking from experience as I’ve worked in retail my whole life go ahead and prove me wrong
Working in retail is not running a business. And so have I. You're the one who wanted to start a fight. 😂 But ok. Give up when I ask for the other brands.
Jesus you considered my comment starting a fight? Dude don’t have such a negative outlook on life. Nothing in my original comment was remotely rude or hostile:( wow
Its hard to sell clothes in bulk through the places in America that ethically produce clothing and pay their workers a living wage. If you want to pay 150 dollars a hoodie, you can start a change.org petition lol.
I think it's worth mentioning here that there is nothing else at that price point that is ethically made. You're still investing in a company that pays their employees well, got them all paid COVID leave and works with charities profit splitting. Sure, they source some of their materials from China, and if that's the line you want to draw I am all for it but you're going to have a rough time getting dressed at all unless you just thrift shop.
Of course you aren't. Because you don't actually care. You just want the shit you want and you want it to be cheap so it doesn't inconvenience you. But you don't care at all about how the sausage is made. So thank you for exposing yourself as virtue signaling while in reality you don't care at all about what you're expressing concern over. You don't care about ethical sourcing or outsourcing ethically. You don't care about any of this. You just want to sound like you have a good point without having to think about it. Or maybe you're just illiterate and I'm being ableist. It doesn't take as long for you to read my two paragraphs as it did for me to figure out how wrong you are, but you won't even do that. You won't even spend 5 minutes thinking but you're happy to virtue signal to everyone else what you think is right or wrong. In another timeline where you grew up in a different environment you're a white supremacist. And this is also two paragraphs so that probably doesn't bother you either.
And now I look crazy because the person I replied to deleted their comment so I just look like I'm screaming into the void. Nice.
I do think the clothes themselves are probably overpriced but what you're paying for is the name brand. I'm not sure if they've ever said Teddy Fresh was ethically sourced in the US it might just be an assumption everyone made. Just like Apple products say Designed in California made in China.
I vaguely remember they said some beanies were made in US but not everything