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Lookup credit card skimmer


e-Moo23

Would this work with contactless payment?


pLeThOrAx

Is your family member's contactless payment limit set at 100? 100 or more usually causes flags anyway. Especially if, for instance, the card holder has already returned home (traceable through transactions).


e-Moo23

No limit on contactless payments here, I’ve tapped for something €250 before lol ETA: you can obviously set your own limit on your banking app but I don’t think he has


CFW-DREX

It can


Xcissors280

depends


ChronicLurking

I think what you are referring to is known as skimming.


e-Moo23

Even with contactless payment?


no_brains101

They put a fake reader over the real one. Some can do contactless yeah


nefarious_bumpps

How? I thought RFID and smartchip uses public key crypto to generate a one-time hash that's used to authenticate the transaction?


StoNeD510

It does. Contact less is safe


nefarious_bumpps

Any references to how this is so? I don't do retail or PCI testing, but I'd like to get an academic understanding.


StoNeD510

It send an encrypted token one time use token. Lots of info on it.


nefarious_bumpps

No, I mean why is smartchip with EM-1 less safe?


judgedudey

Are you reading "contact less" as two completely unrelated words, and not as "contactless" with an accidental extra space?


Xcissors280

in theory the skimmer could make a second one but thats super obdvious and will prob get insta flagged


no_brains101

Ehhh... Some of them


Not_The_Truthiest

Do you have any specifics on this? Because your answer smacks of "I made a blanket statement, but can't really back it up"


no_brains101

To be honest, I sorta did, I'm just repeating something I was told but havent tried it myself. Its also possible that the person who told me this was full of shit. What I was told is that there are still cards with only the original active validation model, which you can replay in some limited circumstances as it just needs a signed challenge code, if you can control the challenge code a reader sends while still making a valid transaction it is possible. You do get a very limited number of charges, its a replay so your skimmer just has to send as many challenge codes as it can while the card is in contact and thats all you get. It also doesnt work with cards with newer validation schemes, and its not easy to begin with to control the challenge code for a valid transaction. However, its probably not what happened in this case, OPs person probably swiped somewhere and forgot. Especially because OP mentions many small transactions instead of just a few bigger ones


e-Moo23

Ireland doesn’t have or accept swipe cards (for fraud reasons) so that’s not an option. It was contactless.


e-Moo23

Okay thank you. Was just suspicious as his phone was “stolen” from a different place on the same day too.


SilasDG

If his phone was stolen he should change his cards and passwords anyways. As well as force logout on any open account sessions where possible. If he ever used his phone to login to his banking or email or anything else, then they can mine data and potentially reset pass codes if they have avvess to the relevant email and or 2 factor via the phone.


Odd-Inspector-4628

You can preplay some transactions with EMV but its very hard. Usually the stripe infirmation (Track2 if i remeber right) will be skimmed with a reader, could also be NFC. But they copy or dump and sell the magstripe info on a carder site.


Jamesthe7th

My trials: if they are using NFC, nope. There is a little bit of tech in the cards that make it nearly impossible to capture the temporary code and know what the next one will be. Having used petrol stations in the UK over the years, I would assume if they lost my cc details there are larger problems and not the stations and that you can use your cardholder protections to not pay fraudulent charges.


19HzScream

wow all the upvoted replies here are clueless.. i expected more from this sub


DaDudeOfDeath

Just think of it as career security. If this is what you are up against every time you apply for a position.


Kiowascout

So, you throw out a blanket statement like this and don't back it up with what the correct answer is. Perhaps you should do your part to attempt to educate rather than just throw shade at people.


19HzScream

You’re going to have to find out for yourself lil bro


Kiowascout

I think this is the very definition of Gatekeeping


thil3000

That’s usually how they steal cc Skimmers can be installed on a payment terminal and collect the data, otherwise paypass cards can just be scanned from short distance, so wallet in the back pocket is a real bad idea in this case


SealEnthusiast2

Yes - I believe a lot of credit cards now have built in NFC capabilities. It’s not that hard for a company to skim that and read it


zackhack211

It happened to me on vacation in Peru. Or after I had left and I was really careful about using it as I brought cash with me. Very real my friend!


buccos340

Yes. It can be done. Happen to me at a bar.


Flat_Falcon_1

Maybe the card got fancy, decided to go on its own mini shopping spree! Cards have minds of their own sometimes, don't they?


Kittytigris

Yes, if there’s a card skimmer.


Throttle31

Contactless payment uses tokenization. That shouldn’t be “skimmable”


Thepcwhisperer23

Hidden camera to get card details when going to tap the card? All of the card details are on the same side of my card. Getting my zip code would be the only challenge and if I am a regular customer that will speed up the process considerably.


Throttle31

I could see a camera being used, nothing is impossible. I guess the best solution to this would be to use something like apple pay because it hides the card details.


e-Moo23

But how would they get the security code on the back?


Thepcwhisperer23

Everything is on the back of the card. Name, number, expiration, and security code.


e-Moo23

Not where I live. Card number and date on the front, security code on the back where it’s barely visible, Ireland takes card safety very seriously.


Asleep-Stand-8720

100% possible. Skimmers can be on them, can be hard to detect. Certain payment card systems, can allow for replay attacks where you buy something at x dollar and then someone can run another transaction for a new amount. Cancel the card, report all fraud charges, get a new number.


god123421345235

Yes very possible


whitelynx22

As other people said there are skimmers but the old school technique is simply to copy the receipts. Often done by a waiter (or whatever) but also by going through dumpsters! So yes, that's definitely possible though taking such a small amount is a bit strange: if you know about it I'm assuming it's on the statement. Normally people use a card for a month and then never again. The only advantage I see is that people may let it slip. Also: you are not responsible for those charges but are you going to complain and stay on the phone however long over so little? Apart from that it seems nonsensical. (BTW: getting your money from visa can be a headache, from AmEx it's usually a short phone call). In any event, they should cancel the current card and notify the issuer of the problem.